6/11/2020

38 Responses to “Trump Rally Attendees To Sign Disclaimer: Aware Of Inherent Risk Of Exposure To COVID-19 In Public Places”

1. Hello.

   Dana (0feb77) — 6/11/2020 @ 6:56 pm

   
   

2. We’ve seen the bunker, we’ve seen the polls that show Trump losing, now we’re seeing the Gotterdammerung: Trump supporters have been proven the weak and unworthy race and they shall perish along with their leader.

   nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:05 pm

   
   

3. Branch Covidians?

   john (cd2753) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:39 pm

   
   

4. 116,034 coronavirus deaths in the United States as of today. There’s a Greek saying for Trump’s preening: Ο κόσμος καίγεται και η γριά χτενίζεται.

   nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:50 pm

   
   

5. All the Nuremberg-style rallies in the world can’t save Trump now.

   Jason (4a1774) — 6/11/2020 @ 8:01 pm

   
   

6. IANAL, but attending a Trump rally – even in the absence of a raging pandemic – could easily be deemed per se evidence of incapacity to enter into a legally binding contract.

   So I’m not sure how enforceable these waivers of liability will be.

   Dave (1bb933) — 6/11/2020 @ 8:32 pm

   
   

7. Oh snap!

   Leviticus (348b62) — 6/11/2020 @ 9:05 pm

   
   

8. They’re not.

   nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 9:06 pm

   
   

9. Given what we’ve seen of Trump and his take on legal matters (It is what he thinks it is), then I think he believes they will be fully enforceable.

   Dana (0feb77) — 6/11/2020 @ 9:47 pm

   
   

10. Just out of curiosity, if the attendees get Covid and pass it on to their unknowning family members or coworkers, couldn’t they then sue? They didn’t sign a disclaimer after all.

    (This whole thing is stupid. Someone should stand outside the venue in heavy PPE and present the attendees with Darwin awards.)

    Nic (896fdf) — 6/11/2020 @ 10:02 pm

    
    

11. Someone should stand outside the venue in heavy PPE and present the attendees with Darwin awards.

    Most of them are probably creationists…

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/11/2020 @ 10:17 pm

    
    

12. How can people successfully sue unless they can prove who transmitted the virus to them? Is it even possible to prove that?

    norcal (a5428a) — 6/11/2020 @ 10:25 pm

    
    

13. Trump might go down in history as the last president of the Confederacy

    Trump must be bewildered. Unsubtle appeals to racial animus (remember his “birther” lies) have always worked for him in the past, but now he seems to be flailing. If it turns out that the Lost Cause is finally, truly lost, then so is the president who made himself its champion.

    Dave (1bb933) — 6/12/2020 @ 12:12 am

    
    

14. 100th anniversary of tulsa race riots where at least 300 black men women and children were murdered in the KKK celebration of juneteenth. The black wall street was burned to the ground.

    asset (b1544d) — 6/12/2020 @ 12:42 am

    
    

15. I don’t think this is a bad idea. I think the implementation is weak. They should ask these questions at the gate and take temperatures and turn away anyone with a fever / symptoms.

    Time123 (797615) — 6/12/2020 @ 5:52 am

    
    

16. It is telling that rather than trying to shield the attendees from Covid they’re trying to shield themselves from liability.

    Manotaur (e632fa) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:03 am

    
    

17. Of course virus infected Democrats would never attend tRump rallies and sue tRump.

    BillPasadena (e482e2) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:05 am

    
    

18. Dana, JVW, everyone else: you can listen to oral arguments in the Flynn case live here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15exlPAA3U

    Dustin (d59cff) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:28 am

    
    

19. Rao doesn’t sound so bad. We’ll see what comes of it.

    Dustin (d59cff) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:55 am

    
    

20. Would love to hear the lawyers here weigh on on whether this waiver would actually hold up in court if anyone got sick.

    LYT (b89070) — 6/12/2020 @ 1:41 pm

    
    

21. I’ve heard that waivers like that aren’t enforceable in cases of actual negligence, but I suspect that anyone attending a Trump rally isn’t practicing any sort of Covid prevention anyway, so good luck blaming it on the rally.

    Davethulhu (f236f1) — 6/12/2020 @ 1:50 pm

    
    

22. Florida and Texas report records for daily highs in new cases.
    …..
    The nation’s most populous state, California, hit a new daily high last week, when it recorded 3,593 new cases, a record it nearly matched it again this week.

    The rise in cases helps explain why the nation continues to record more than 20,000 new cases a day even as some of the original hot spots, including New York, have seen dramatic declines.
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    Texas, which avoided the worst of the virus in the early spring and was one of the first states to make moves to reopen its economy, identified more than 2,000 new cases on both Wednesday and Thursday, the highest daily totals yet. The counties that include Houston and Dallas are reporting some of the nation’s largest single-day rises. Cases are also trending upward around Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin, Lubbock, McAllen and Midland.
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    Florida recorded more than 1,000 new cases on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, including 1,698 on Thursday, the state’s highest daily total yet. That record only stood for a day: It was eclipsed on Friday, when the state reported another 1,902.
    …..
    Also:
    The C.D.C. projects 124,000 to 140,000 deaths in the U.S. by the Fourth of July.
    The agency said that its forecasts suggested that more virus-related deaths were likely over the next four weeks in Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, North Carolina, Utah and Vermont than those states saw over the past four weeks. The nation has already seen 114,426 virus-related deaths, according to a New York Times database.
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    The agency also released new guidance about the risks of holding events. It labeled “highest risk” any large gathering which draws attendees from outside the area and where it is difficult for people to stay at least six feet apart.
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    You know, like, a political convention.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 2:00 pm

    
    

23. 10. norcal (a5428a) — 6/11/2020 @ 10:25 pm

    How can people successfully sue unless they can prove who transmitted the virus to them? Is it even possible to prove that?

    If a cluster developed you could link it.

    And lawyers don;t seem to have trouble linking things to asbestos exposure, Of course most of those lawsuits are settled.

    This waiver culd be asignal to class action lawyers.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 2:02 pm

    
    

24. In new book, Bolton alleges Trump committed ‘Ukraine-like transgressions’ in other foreign policy decisions
    Former national security adviser John Bolton’s forthcoming book will include descriptions of President Trump’s “inconsistent, scattershot decision-making” driven by “reelection calculations” rather than national security, according to a news release from the book’s publisher.

    ‘‘I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations,’’ Bolton writes, according the description Simon & Schuster distributed Friday morning.
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    “Trump’s Ukraine-like transgressions existed across the full range of his foreign policy — and Bolton documents exactly what those were, and attempts by him and others in the Administration to raise alarms about them,” the Simon & Schuster news release states.

    The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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    The 592-page book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” is expected to go into detail about Trump’s decision-making process, his warring advisers and the president’s engagement on a range of foreign policy decisions, from Ukraine and Venezuela to North Korea and Iran.

    “What Bolton saw astonished him: a president for whom getting reelected was the only thing that mattered, even if it meant endangering or weakening the nation,” the news release said.
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    Simon & Schuster has already shipped copies to warehouses around the country in preparation. The White House has not said what it would do if Bolton’s book is published without further redaction.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 2:17 pm

    
    

25. Bolton might be talking about Trump’s desire to end the war in Afghanistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 2:25 pm

    
    

26. Off topic: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-measure-of-new-yorks-coronavirus-devastation-11591140254

    Robert Rosenkranz, an insurance executive, decided to look at the statistic excess deaths to tell how deadly the coronavirus was.

    He said astudy was released n May 15, but didn;t get the atention it deserved

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

    …t shows that 32,000 people died in New York City between March 11 and May 2—a period that captures the epidemic’s peak and most of its toll. In typical times, there are some 8,000 New York City deaths between those dates. That means there were 24,000 excess deaths, of which only 14,000 were confirmed as Covid-19.

    In the entire country during the same period, there were 82,000 excess deaths, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. New York City, with 2.5% of the U.S. population, had 29.2% of the country’s excess deaths…. if you exclude New Jersey and New York state, U.S. excess deaths

    were only about 10% above normal—compared with 5% for Germany, 25% for France and 40% for Italy.

    But the epidemic didn’t hit its peak in h=the rest of the United States. He says you can’t blame the subway – Hong Kong also has a subway. He might add that most peole infected later didn’t travel on the subway. They weren’t employed. I think stray virus containing droplets drifted to them.

    He shutdown orders came too late, and worse, “the New York State Department of Health ordered the transfer of some 4,300 Covid-19 patients from hospitals to nursing homes.”

    You may wonder what these excess-death numbers mean for your chances of living through this epidemic. Everyone has a nonzero chance of dying in 2020. The younger and healthier you are, the better your chances. For an average 90-year-old, the extra risk of being in New York City was around 1 in 6, the odds of rolling a particular number on a single die. For a 70-year-old, being in New York City during the epidemic increased your chance of dying in 2020 by around 1 chance in 30, slightly more than the odds of rolling snake eyes.

    Here’s the good news: If you’re an average American living outside New York City, the epidemic was a period with barely noticeable increased risk. Your chance of being an extra fatality was about 1 in 5,000, somewhat higher than your chance of dying in an auto accident in a year. And if you were under 50 with no serious health conditions, your risk was in the ballpark of 1 in 50,000, similar to your risk of dying in a fire. In New York, those odds were approximately 1 in 300 and 1 in 3,000, respectively.

    Another statsitic I read:

    Canada has about half the death rate as the United States overall, but 4/5 of them were in nursing homes!

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:05 pm

    
    

27. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, “Getting re-elected isn’t everything, it’s the only thing” for any politician.

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:09 pm

    
    

28. Trump says he’ll leave office peacefully if he loses in November
    President Donald Trump sought to brush aside fears he might not leave office willingly if November’s election doesn’t go his way.

    “Certainly, if I don’t win, I don’t win,” he told Fox News’ Harris Faulkner in an interview that aired Friday. If he doesn’t win the election, Trump continued, “you go on, do other things.”
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    Trump regularly trolls his critics on the issue, joking at campaign rallies and on various occasions about extending his presidency past the constitutional limit of two terms. In addition to the president’s vocal accusations of widespread voter fraud and claims of “rigged” American elections, of which there is no evidence, Trump has sometimes suggested that his supporters might “demand” he remain in office past his second term.
    ….

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:34 pm

    
    

29. Officer charged with killing George Floyd still eligible for pension worth more than $1 million
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    The Minnesota Public Employees Retirement Association confirmed to CNN that 44-year-old Chauvin would remain eligible to file for his pension as early as age 50, though it would not provide details on the specific amount he would receive. Chauvin’s attorney declined to comment. Retirement plan officials said that employees terminated voluntarily or for cause are eligible for future benefits unless they choose to forfeit their future benefit and receive a refund of all their contributions made during their employment.
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    While a number of factors are used to calculate pension benefits, Chauvin would likely be eligible for annual payments in the ballpark of $50,000 a year or more if he chose to start receiving them at age 55, according to a CNN analysis based on Chauvin’s tenure, 2019 payroll data, contract details, pension plan guidance and Minneapolis Police Department salary schedules. The benefits could stretch to $1.5 million or more over a 30-year period, not including any cost of living increases. Chauvin’s annual payments could be even higher if he received significant amounts of overtime in prior years.
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    If he is convicted (a big if)$50,000 a year would buy an awful lot of cigarettes. Question: Can his soon to be ex-wife claim part of the pension?

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:44 pm

    
    

30. 64% of Americans oppose ‘defund the police’ movement, key goals: POLL
    Strong majorities of Americans oppose the movement to “defund the police” and some of its most significant goals, specifically reshuffling funding away from law enforcement to support mental health, housing and education programs, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday finds.

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose calls for defunding police departments, compared to 34% who back the movement, and 60% specifically oppose reducing the budget for police to reallocate it to other public health and social programs, while 39% support that move.
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    A majority of black Americans support the movement to “defund the police,” (57%) and putting the money towards other community programs (64%), a departure from the other groups. Support among blacks for the “defund the police” movement is more than double that of whites (26%), and black Americans are nearly twice as likely as whites (33%) to back key tenets of the movement. An equal 42% of Hispanics support both.
    ……

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:48 pm

    
    

31. Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:48 pm

    A majority of black Americans support the movement to “defund the police,” (57%)

    I read there was a poll that said only 33% Did the poll define “defund” as reduce?
    oth.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:53 pm

    
    

32. Texas and Florida also have more cases.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 3:55 pm

    
    

33. They need Covid detcecting dogs at the rallies, and antibodies for anyone anyone infected.

    https://www.lilly.com/news/stories/coronavirus-covid19-global-response

    https://www.biospace.com/article/eli-lilly-chief-scientist-thinks-covid-19-antibody-treatment-ready-by-september.

    On Monday, Eli Lilly and Company announced that its partner Junshi Biosciences had dosed the first healthy volunteer in a clinical trial of a neutralizing antibody against COVID-19. The company is testing a second antibody to test and is conducting preclinical studies of a third antibody. In an interview with Reuters, the company’s Chief Scientific Officer Daniel Skovronsky said the third antibody could possibly begin human trials in the new few weeks. But the statement that got everyone more excited was when he indicated one of the antibodies might be available for use by September.

    By Septemeber? They could use it now.

    It’s not like there are any real questions. Except how good it is.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 4:01 pm

    
    

34. There are bearly masks or distancing in Walmarts, and people spend hours in them. What’s the difference? People are comfortable with the virus existence in many parts of the country and the world. It’s time to accept that. Until then I would be happy to sign a waiver that I don’t care about getting it instead of seeing masks around me.

    Very Surprised (089cab) — 6/13/2020 @ 4:46 am

    
    

35. So, after cheering on the crowds of maskless rioters and protesters for week, the MSM is now CONCERNED, very CONCERNED, about the CV-19 effects of a crowd of Trump supporters. I guess if thousands can attend Floyd’s 3 or 4 funerals, people can show up at a Trump rally. And getting them to sign a waiver is just good business sense. Hate to burst your bubble, but not just Trump supportes show up, so do hate-filled MSM reporters, and Liberals who want to “monitor” the situation. They’d love to sue Trump for getting CV-19 and claim it was at the rally.

    rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/13/2020 @ 7:18 am

    
    

36. The truth of the matter is that there are Democrat operatives from Double OO) (Office Of Orange Operations) (rolls off the tongue easier than Quadruple O) spreading coronavirus at every gathering of Trump supporters, large and small, from rallies to pancake houses and burger pubs. You can kind of identify them by the fact that they don’t wear masks and vociferously demand that others take theirs off too. Other indicators are that they tend to overact: More than the usual Trump gear; more than the usual Trump slogans; louder than usual Trump cheers; things like that.

    nk (1d9030) — 6/13/2020 @ 7:52 am

    
    

37. This was too easy for Morning Joe to pass up.

    TRUMP: Come to Our Rally.
    PS. It could kill you, but that’s your problem.

    “By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to Covid-19 exists in any public place where people are present.” ~Trump Campaign

    Paul Montagu (91c593) — 6/13/2020 @ 9:02 am

    
    

38. The Trump campaign is not the only organization wanting people yo sign waivers of liability:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/business/economy/coronavirus-liability-shield.html

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/13/2020 @ 9:49 pm