Racism: ‘National Achilles Heel Because It Forces Confrontation With Identity, Demands Proper Balance Of Liberty & Security To All Citizens’
[guest post by Dana]
I want to point you to a compelling piece over at National Review by Theodore R. Johnson (Brennan Center for Justice) titled, America Begins to See More Clearly Now What Its Black Citizens Always Knew:
The present moment is neither about animus between white and black Americans nor about whether there is an institutional bias in law enforcement against black people. It is decidedly a question about the duties of the state to its citizens, especially those who have been historically excluded, and about the state’s acceptance of accountability when it falls short.
Racism remains a national Achilles heel because it forces a confrontation with our identity and demands that the proper balance of liberty and security be available to all citizens regardless of their race or ethnicity. The protests spawned by the killing of George Floyd are an interrogation of this quandary that black Americans have insisted on since the beginning. Will the people reject the illiberal application of state-sanctioned power, especially against those who have long been its primary object? That the protests today are showing small signs of multiracial solidarity among the general population — something that the nation has rarely seen — is a definitive answer to the question and a reason to believe that the moment we’re in may be different.
The piece has certainly elicited a wide-range of responses. A few comments left at the article:
Hey, how about that Seattle Free Autonomous Zone just established by BlackLivesMatter? Maybe Mr. Johnson could move there and be finally free of racism. Maybe we should carve the entire country up so we can all live with like minded people.
Nahhh, this just guerrilla theater moving the Overton Window. This is about establishing power, making sure we know who has it and who doesn’t.
and:
NR, thanks for publishing this article. It challenges my thinking because it presents the experiences of Black Americans that I cannot ever attain, and that I have not tried hard enough to understand. While I may not agree with everything he states in the article (as an indictment of the integrity of liberal democracy), he makes a strong case that alongside the protests and the police in the streets, there is history, alive and kicking. His very positive message that so many whites and blacks gathered together in condemning these injustices, is the clearest example in our history that the U.S. wholly rejects this discrimination.
Please take the time to read the essay in its entirety.
–Dana
So, maybe if you are going to comment, give the full piece a read. It’s easy to cherry pick, but I think it deserves to be considered in its entirety.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:10 pmYeah, it’d be great if that piece had been published in the New York Times. Sadly, national reivew is – or was supposed to be- some sort of Conservative magazine. Now, its main function is “challenging” its readers to accept the Liberal/Left point of view.
I don’t really need to read a “Hey, maybe the Liberals aren’t so wrong about this” articles. I’ll just read the liberal articles or watch the liberal/left views I’m bombarded with 24/7/365 on every TV news network (except Fox).
It’d be nice if national review could actually give us a contrarian view. Something the SJW’s at the NYT would censor or boycott.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:16 pmA lot of the “Republicans for Biden” types like Matt Lewis, are getting a little nervous about the SJW firing of Bennett from the NYT and the various Liberal Professors getting mau-maued at various Universities and Law schools. With good reason. If the SJW’s Really get fired up, they’ll start to wonder why the NYT or the Daily Beast have token conservatives, who deviate SLIGHTLY from the Party line. And that’ll be the end of Ross Doughnut or Matt Lewis.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:20 pmBTW, I’m reading the “Collapse of the Spanish Republic” by Stanley Payne and there are some parallels to the current situation. Not exact ones, but somewhat similar. For example, after the Left-Bloc won control of the Spanish Parliament in 1936, the communists and the extreme left immediately began demanding the Socialist Government ban the Fascist party. Which it did. The Extreme left then labeled the Monarchist and extreme Conservative parties “Fascists” and demanded they be banned. Which the Government did. Then the extreme left, labeled EVERY remaining Center-right party “fascist” and demanded they be banned. The Government did NOT do that. So, the extreme Left began a campaign of violence and intimidation. As the NYT’s would have said “Violence was always breaking out”. Finally, a leader of the Conservatives was murdered by quasi-Government officials and Franco used that as an excuse to start the Civil war.
The left in the USA is using the same tactic, only instead of using the label “fascism” its “racism”. How much longer before national review or the Dispatch gang are called “Racist” by BLM or antifa?
rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:29 pmthe brennan center that pushed for the nuclear option, defended gitmo detainees, yes that’s a conservative viewpoint, sarc
https://www.nationalreview.com/author/theodore-r-johnson/
narciso (7404b5) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:30 pm“Eat me last” and “some of my best friends are black” isn’t going to save the Bulwark Boys and the Dispatch Gang.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:31 pmA lot of the “Republicans for Biden” types
Never understood those types. They aren’t going to get jobs in the admin. They won’t get any kudos.
They will, however, have to explain how they are conservative when the politician they backed starts up abortion on demand, democratic socialist policies, etc.
In fact, I would ask any Republican for Biden to read the DNC Platform and tell me how it backs their conservative principles.
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:35 pmrcocean,
Did you read the piece in its entirety?
Dana (0feb77) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:55 pmhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/11/police_and_race_hard_problems_and_hard_truths_143422.html
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/11/2020 @ 1:55 pmWell said by Mr. Johnson.
Paul Montagu (b1e7b3) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:10 pmThe article is pretty similar to what a number of thoughtful black conservatives have been saying. A thing that provoked an interesting line of reasoning for me, though, was from one of the commenters on the article. He said basically that he was a white dude and his experience with the police had also been excessively negative. So I wonder if part of the reason most Americans are accepting of the protests and even some of the riots is that the police habitually over-reach regardless of skin-tone and so, while they may over-reach more with minorities, the general viewpoint is that something needs to be done because the over-reach exists for everyone.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:16 pmPlease also take the time to reflect on how the media treated the Bundy standoff and the current standoffs:
https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1271123687828123648?s=20
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Without an honest media the problems will never be solved.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:29 pm_
NJ Rob.
Thx – posted that in a previous thread and everyone should read it.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:31 pm_
To understand what blacks already know, consider those “suspicious person” posts that keep popping up on NextDoor.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:39 pmNow would be a good time for those who gave us Donald Trump instead of an actual Republican to admit they screwed up and plead for our forgiveness. That may be postponed if he wins again, but the reckoning will still come.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:41 pmmaybe amnesia has set in about the enemy,
https://patterico.com/derrick-bell-we-should-appreciate-a-man-who-advocated-white-genocide/
james burnham was more disturbingly on point about the ‘suicide of the west’ 50 some years ago,
narciso (7404b5) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:56 pmSenate measure would force Pentagon to rename bases named for Confederates
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During markup, the panel adopted an amendment from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) by voice vote to require the Pentagon to rename bases named that honor Confederate generals.
The measure required bipartisan support to clear the GOP-controlled committee, and it’s a rare showing of unity against President Donald Trump, who on Wednesday tweeted that he “will not even consider” renaming bases such as Fort Bragg, Fort Hood or Fort Benning. On Monday, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said he was open to discussing renaming the service’s 10 bases that bear the names of Confederates.
The White House pledged that Trump would veto legislation to rename the bases, which makes the NDAA more of a dogfight between lawmakers and Trump than anticipated. House Democrats could attach a similar provision when they consider their version of the NDAA next month.
Rip Murdock (80e6b4) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:58 pm….
…..[T]he provision would create a commission to study and recommend the removal of names, symbols, monuments and paraphernalia that honor the Confederacy. The panel is tasked with developing a plan to implement the removals within three years of the bill becoming law.
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The panel also approved an amendment from Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) that would restrict funding for the use of military force against protesters. Kaine offered the amendment after Trump threatened to call in active-duty troops to contain protests against police brutality that sprang up after the death of George Floyd.
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Doesn’t have a snowball’s chance to be enacted …..
I thought it was a good article and far more fair and logical than what we’ve seen so far. Glad to do so.
Took me a few tries to get through the NR one. Too much guilt and focusing on past failures instead of the current reality.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/11/2020 @ 3:21 pmBlacks think they are arbitrarily harassed by LEOs.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/watch-now-tulsa-police-release-video-of-officers-handcuffing-black-teens-for-jaywalking-internal-investigation/article_8b0c88e3-bbbf-5b39-9457-51c88fa2d3ad.amp.html
Perhaps they have a point. I know from black coworkers this does not happen all the time, but it happens enough that it can’t be called an isolated incident.
Kishnevi (4a7413) — 6/11/2020 @ 3:42 pmremember independence day,
https://americanmind.org/post/okay-so-youve-abolished-the-police/
narciso (7404b5) — 6/11/2020 @ 3:53 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:41 pm
Yes. I agree that The Bushes, Romneys, McCains, Ryans, Michels and others we held our nose for should apologize for the treachery, deceit and abject failure that gave rise to a Trump presidency.
Matador (0284e8) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:20 pmIf mommy Bushes, Romneys, McCains, Ryans, Michels and others will not give baby the lollypop he wants, he’ll get it from the nice orange man on Fifth Avenue.
nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:24 pmIf bad orange man have a potty mouf and nasty tweeties, baby much rather have open borders, over-regulation, liberal activist judges, social justice and corrupt law enforcement.
Matador (0284e8) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:37 pmA) National Guard didn’t actually take part, they were perimeter security
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:41 pmB) DC Police also didn’t take part
C) It was mainly the motley crew of SORT team members, the P.P., and the S.S. wait, the S.S. we didn’t like them in Luftwaffe, hated even. I didn’t know Trump had them too. I know he likes the P.P.
If bad orange man have a potty mouf and nasty tweeties
And 1,000 dead Americans a day, every day, because he made a great trade deal with President Xi, and the coronavirus was just a Democrat hoax to impoverish the Mercer family.
nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:43 pmShorter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGRsE1Fubw
“It’s fun to eulogize; the people you despise…” – Tom Lehrer 1965
DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:46 pmthe announcement for mr president donalds rally says people cant sue him for catching coronavirus
that seems fair since he already mailed everyone a check with his name on it anyway
but they might still have the deal where he pays your legal expenses if you beat up a protestor
Dave (1bb933) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:55 pmThe demonstrators and protesters paid no attention to any facts – to any differences between cities. They took place in New York just like they took place in Minneapolis.
Nobody sees much interested. Because it is basically all lies.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-academia-failed-to-improve-police-practices-11591807543
New York City, as I said, is the best.
If Trump were a real New Yorker he;d be trying to get ex-New York City police appointed to jobs all over the country 0 and in the federal governemnt.
Sammy Finkelman (fe9fb2) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:57 pmAmericans agree and are declaring that the time for change is now.
Well… OK.
That’s it? Hooray, change.
beer ‘n pretzels (c993b2) — 6/11/2020 @ 4:57 pmNic (896fdf) — 6/11/2020 @ 2:16 pm
Yep; then BLM captured the momentum and the issue became about power and control rather than equality and freedom.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:02 pmHooray, change.
Silver only; no coppers.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:03 pmDana, thank you for pointing this out. It was a really good article that drew a line between historical treatment and what’s going on today.
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:22 pmNJRob wrote
This was a long piece and I think it was intended for people that we willing to put in the time to think about it, and treat it not just as a political analysis but as a piece of writing where the structure is part of the message. The first part was about the writer so you would know their POV and bonafides. The middle was about the past. The end was about the present. Here’s the transition that explains the focus on the past and pulls it together. I’ll bold the part that I think addresses your complaint.
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:30 pmmr. president donald trump, who out of deference to ted cruz never packs more than five genital stimulation devices when he travels to texas, is funny ha-ha only on some days
on other days, he’s funny something else
nk (1d9030) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:34 pm@30 They had the pre-existing name recognition, the infrastructure, and matched the surface narrative. It isn’t surprising they were able to slide into the leadership position.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/11/2020 @ 5:49 pmBy that absurd token everyone should hold a grudge for every perceived insult ever received. Lots of eyes going to be put out there. Should every shop owner who has been vandalized, been victimized by arsonists, destroyed hold grudges they can pass down to their families in storied history? How about those ruined by the current government shutdown?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/11/2020 @ 6:16 pmBoston’s Berklee College apologizes for letting cops use bathrooms amid protests
https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/berklee-college-sorry-for-letting-cops-use-bathrooms-amid-protests/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Water fountains too?
harkin (9c4571) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:51 pm__
@36 nice reduction to the absurd.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:56 pmWell, that’s the view of most 7 year olds. If you can’t understand a variable responses based on history and circumstances, then you’re not an adult.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/11/2020 @ 8:01 pmTime123 (9f42ee) — 6/11/2020 @ 7:56 pm
Eye for an eye is a limiting principle. It’s not the best one but it’s not absurd. Sadly we aren’t even using it. We’re using inherited fault and collective guilt.
Is there any point where something in history shapes our present to an immeasurable degree? It seems like there has to be but it’s becoming increasingly clear there is not.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/11/2020 @ 8:37 pmhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/man-charged-deputy-ambush-scrawled-extremist-boogaloo-phrases-blood-n1230321
These are the guys I warned about in the weekend thread. I’m sure that the posters who were certain it was antifa or BLM will reconsider their opinions.
Davethulhu (8ca291) — 6/11/2020 @ 11:02 pmNJRob @36 and Frosty @40,
I understand where you’re both coming from. Where I see it differently, and what I think the article is trying to communicate is this;
There is an unbroken tradition of police using levels of force and levels of focus on black people that is higher than what’s used on white people. It’s a supportable claim that it would not be tolerated on white people in the US. When police actions on blacks exceed what’s allowed the system does not consistently provide justice. This is less about bad people, than about a system that had this behavior built into it.
It’s not saying “You, Frosty, and all white people, are personally guilty for things that happened before you were born.” It’s about “The system that has been built up over the last 200+ years is still providing disparate outcomes.” I’ve phrased it dispassionately. Not everyone does that. Some people are angry and it’s true that some people want to hear the problem acknowledged. I think it’s also true that some people are cynically trying to use this for personal gain, or use this to galvanize people towards unrelated things. But I don’t think they’re the bulk of it. I think their existence no more discredits the basic point than people who used federalism for evil ends discredits the concept of local control.
Time123 (797615) — 6/12/2020 @ 5:25 amThats exactly the point
https://www.city-journal.org/racism-is-an-empty-thesis
Narciso (7404b5) — 6/12/2020 @ 5:47 amThe bigger picture
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/devolution_to_revolution_an_already_demoralized_us_is_now_being_destabilized.html
Narciso (7404b5) — 6/12/2020 @ 6:13 ameverybody wants to be loved by everyone, mr. narciso
nk (1d9030) — 6/12/2020 @ 6:13 amNarcisco, that was a very powerful interview of a black professor at Brown University. I would say it too is a must read and parallels many of my personal thoughts, but without the ready accusation that “you just don’t and can’t understand”. I’m sure the hard-Left will soon be mounting a full frontal assault….forcing Loury to pivot and possibly equivocate. I would hope that society could welcome and broaden the discussion….but that doesn’t seem to be the mood….
AJ_Liberty (0f85ca) — 6/12/2020 @ 6:39 amAJ and Narcisco
Interesting read. Thank you for the link. I don’t think he’s disagreeing with the POV in the RR piece. I think he’s saying “yes and…” Here’s an excerpt. Bold is mine.
Time123 (b0628d) — 6/12/2020 @ 6:53 amTime123 (797615) — 6/12/2020 @ 5:25 am
I appreciate your response. The question is still out there; what should be done and how will it help? For example, I’m against chokeholds and other restraint techniques that are inherently dangerous. I don’t know enough about them to know where the cost-benefit line is on effective/required restraint vs risk but it needs to be reviewed. Another example, I don’t like the warrior cop mentality and it is counter-productive. I see a thing and I see how it will help. I see a lot of risk and little reward in decriminalizing all sex work or more drugs? I see a huge risk in aligning with a group like BLM.
But a funny thing happens. If I ask how something will help I get side-eye. If I say these things impact everyone and all lives matter I’ve stepped in it. If I point out that these things might not fix disparate outcomes because they don’t deal with the inputs I’ve stepped in it again. This last one seems to be an embedded flaw in a lot of public discussions I’ve seen. There are other examples I could give that are simply distractions by both sides and I’m not giving them because they’re black holes for any discussion.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:01 am@48, Hey Frosty. I think there are 4 things going on with the public discourse that explain what you describe.
1. Enough people have said “All lives matter.” When they meant something like “I don’t especially care about violence against black people.” that it’s now part of the connotation. There’s plenty of explanations on this but here’s one i like in cartoon form.
2. If all of the input is about what doesn’t work / won’t work it’s hard to different an honest question from not wanting to do anything.
3. Angry people are looking for an excuse to attack others and feel aggrieved.
4. The language that acceptable to talk about these issues has become arcane and there’s little to no good will left.
Time123 (b0628d) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:22 am1) BS. All lives do matter. The unborn included. What BLM means is what any supremacist means, which is that our issue is more important and you will get behind it or shut up.
2) The majority of people in the USA aren’t from ancestors who lived during the Civil War. Holding them responsible is evil. Even those who are ancestors, we don’t hold the son responsible for the sins of the father.
3) People are responsible for their own behavior. Society is not. Criminals are responsible for their crimes. Bad cops are responsible for their actions. Crooked politicians are responsible for their acts.
4) Look at the FBI database sometime. Look at all crimes and violent crimes. Use some statistical analysis.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:33 amLastly, the people who screech BLM don’t give a damn about black lives because they only use it as a tool to bludgeon cops or to push the leftist agenda, but ignore what causes the murders of almost all black men in America; gang violence and other illegal actions.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:35 amdid you read the cartoon?
Time123 (b0628d) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:42 amWill that explain why the officer that watching Floyd die put an innocent man in the hospital for 4 days and was still on the police force?
Time123 (797615) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:45 amThe cartoon is a lie.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:56 amNo. It will explain that bad cops exist and should be removed from the force. Do we hold all doctors responsible for the bad one that commits malpractice that results in a death?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:57 amAnd with the amount of arson committed by rioters as of late, the cartoon is in really poor taste as well. Since we have leftists going back in time attacking and getting people fired for remarks said years ago…
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 8:00 am“Do we hold all doctors responsible for the bad one that commits malpractice that results in a death?”
Maybe if the other doctors helped cover it up and excuse it.
Davethulhu (8ca291) — 6/12/2020 @ 8:15 amThere’s a fundamental question: how does government police high-crime minority areas? You can’t tell me that the majority of that predominately inner-city population does not want violent criminals, burglars, hard-drug pushers, rapists, and muggers taken off the street….while also reducing the nuisance crimes that further discourage economic development where it is desperately needed. This is where I agree with Loury….yes, police brutality needs to be rooted out…..but it’s a problem that is far too exaggerated in the face of other realities. The notion that all police are somehow suspect because of what Chauvin did….or that policing itself is suspect….are foolish notions…that is receiving very little pushback as people try to be politically correct and empathetic. Yes, you see cops overreacting…again….wrong….but just saying “racism” is also wrong. Policing is hard…I imagine it wears on an individual…especially in high-crime areas where one is consistently seeing people at their worst…and patience is in small supply. There are challenges that must be addressed…but police are not the enemy…no matter what most of the rap songs suggest…..
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 6/12/2020 @ 8:15 amTime123 (b0628d) — 6/12/2020 @ 7:22 am
You’ve acknowledged that both sides of the conversation do this and I agree. Now we’ve got the problem of how we even talk about it, which is a problem intentionally created by however many sides exist. What is the solution? If you, society, or however this is described are going to make a demand of me, society, etc., it requires some validation and justification. The time has come doesn’t explain how something addresses the problem. Something must be done has been tried before and had unintended consequences. Pointing out the disingenuous people have tried to derail the conversation doesn’t get the conversation back on the rails. Before we can solve the problem we need to be able to discuss it and we’ve already handicapped ourselves there.
Let me say it another way; stop asking questions and do what I say is something a bully says. There are bullies on both sides. I’m just asking questions is something a passive-aggressive bully says. There are passive-aggressive bullies on both sides. The second issue doesn’t give the first issue a pass because not all questions are from passive-aggressive bullies.
frosty (f27e97) — 6/12/2020 @ 8:59 amNonsense generalization trying to inflame the topic without covering relevant ground.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 9:02 am“Nonsense generalization trying to inflame the topic without covering relevant ground.”
Plugging your ears doesn’t change the facts.
Davethulhu (f236f1) — 6/12/2020 @ 9:09 amhttps://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/liberal-groups-expand-supreme-court-plan-313037
Commies gonna commie.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/12/2020 @ 9:16 am43-46: Loury:
I think they say that blacks are terrible Usually for reasons that don;t even have anything to do with crime, or crime that actually exists. People who peddle racism are liars.
They are afraid to admit it exists! Because they think it could be a good argument for racial discrimination. (this would be self-defeating, of course.)
But what’s worse, we have people who constantly create statistics that treat black misbehavior as non-existent. Where are they heading with this?
And this aspect of life in the “hood” is rarely reflected in television and movie drama. Let something show how someone gets into it, and maybe who avoids it, and who lives in circumstances so that he doesn’t need to avoid it. That would be something real. It would explain this. It needs to be explained.
And it’s not just crime, but school disorder. Yes. culture affects even fifth graders. One of the more misbegotten Obama Administration policies was to attempt to argue that school suspensions should be equal according to race. Things just aren’t like that. So what do they do? They suspend nobody. Or let things go on for a long time. Now of course you have the problem, that when there is a statistical disparity, people won’t judge individuals dispassionately.
More from Lowry:
Well, what they imagine white racists might say. Usually racists say worse things and insist whatever they say is bad is unchangeable, even though that goes contrary to history, but what do they know about that?
So someone is going to have to come up with argument that explains this disparity.
I say all of this is because of the influence of a person’s friends, and it continues to exist because criminal behavior is under-policed. Because crimes can be policed out of existence, like kidnapping for ransom largely was, (it wasn’t in Latin America) And if there is no policing, in time this could be everywhere.
And the level is not constant. Social pathology gets more common and less common. Even though, at the individual level, there is complete free will. And it is affected by all kinds of things, including how old a person’s mother was when she had her first child. (that’s one they noticed late, and it’s maybe only because of the type of woman who has a child out of wedlock so young ad where and how she lives.)
You can divide people into more subcategories, and come up with statistics that vary even more between different groups.
Sammy Finkelman (63d78b) — 6/12/2020 @ 11:02 am58. AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 6/12/2020 @ 8:15 am
There’s a lot of potential for the Republican Party and even for Donald Trump – in 90% solid Democrat minororty areas if they only had the wit and the wisdom to see it. Even if it was a minority opinion there, there is potential. Instead, they are represented by people who propose terribly destructive policies, sometimes with some gestures toward common sense.
You know, anti-police prejudice is a form of racism, and so are all these conspiracy theories about what white people are doing.
It could be suspect – but a necessary evil. Which can be limited.
People don’t know how to argue.
Well said, except they get paid well to have patience.
Sammy Finkelman (63d78b) — 6/12/2020 @ 11:15 amTo DRJ listenting to the June 5 virology podcast – number 624
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-624
Is this what you wanted me to listen to?
They start by talking about the weather and that “Dxon: is now 80 ears old, and about 13 year cicadas.
Sammy Finkelman (63d78b) — 6/12/2020 @ 12:14 pmhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/the-limits-of-police-reform-11591900971
He says”
o Qualified immunity. here are noy too many cases we that is invoked. Elseehwere I read that they are soetimes held harmlesss, and the big thing would be fear of being fired.
o miitary equippment. It;s irrelevant. The impact of acquisitions of military surplus equipment on deadly force is null.
o de-escalation. Training has littleeffect. (this is a philosophy)
as for defunding ore reduction
While limiting the power of police unions is a good idea, Rafael A. Mangual writes, that can run into political resistance.
His conclusion:
Sammy Finkelman (71800b) — 6/12/2020 @ 1:56 pmDana,
Did I read all the way to the end? Yes.
rcocean (fcc23e) — 6/12/2020 @ 5:31 pm