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4/28/2020

Jet Blue To Require Passengers to Wear Face Masks

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:11 am



[guest post by Dana]

Flight attendants are required to wear them, and now passengers on Jet Blue will have to wear them as well:

JetBlue Airways on Monday became the first U.S. airline to announce that all passengers will have to wear a face covering on flights.

Starting May 4, passengers will be required to wear a mask that covers their nose and mouth during the duration of each flight and also during check-in, boarding and deplaning, according to a JetBlue statement.

“We are also asking our customers to follow these CDC guidelines in the airport as well,” said Joanna Geraghty, the airline’s president and chief operating officer. “Wearing a face covering isn’t about protecting yourself; it’s about protecting those around you.”

While flight attendants on American Airlines and United Airlines will be required to wear faces masks, passengers will not to be required to wear them. Instead, flight attendants on American Airlines will be offering masks to passengers.

Because of the lack of safety measures being taken by airlines, flight attendants are calling for leisure flights to be cancelled:

In recent days, scenes of packed airplanes with passengers not wearing masks have made the news. And while major carriers are allowing passengers to do some seat switching to help with social distancing, they are not requiring passengers to wear masks or stay six feet away from each other.

The risky situation has prompted a strong reaction from the union of flight attendants, which is calling on the Department of Transportation, in coordination with the Department of Health and Human Services, to “end all leisure travel until the virus is contained”—the words of Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA), who penned an open letter to Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and Health Secretary Alex Azar.

Nelson’s letter points out that flight attendants have been hard hit by the virus. “At airlines employing AFA member flight attendants, at least 250 have tested positive for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, and flight attendants have died as a result of the virus too,” writes Nelson.

Nelson’s impassioned letter also says that flight attendants are questioning if they are “helping to spread the virus.”

The flight attendants union is also requesting that every crew members and passenger be required to wear masks on airplanes, as well as in airports.

–Dana

28 Responses to “Jet Blue To Require Passengers to Wear Face Masks”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (0feb77)

  2. Gee… they want to take all the fun out of flying!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. I see no world in which I’d be willing to fly for anything other than an emergency (eg, my brother and sister in law are in a hospital and i need to go take care of their kids) before fall at the earliest, and you’re d*** right i’d wear a mask if i needed to do that.

    The airlines have got to be suffering tremendously.

    aphrael (7962af)

  4. No surprise. It’s a prudent move.
    The funny thing is that I can get a face mask quicker if I jumped on a plane tomorrow than ordering one online. I just pulled the Amazon trigger this AM and my washable, reusable covering will arrive June 11th.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  5. The current average U.S. overall death rate, even amid the coronavirus pandemic, is actually lower than it has been for much of the past seven years and well below the long-term average.

    https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/28/if-coronavirus-threats-so-great-whys-u-s-overall-death-rate-down/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. Haiku raises a good point. The lockdown has saved lives. That’s just objective reality as his link seems to prove.

    That the ‘flatten the curve’ effort reduced deaths totally unrelated to the virus doesn’t mean the lockdown accomplished nothing. That deaths are lower does not mean the virus was some kind of hoax, no matter how many times that will be hinted for the rest of our lives.

    It’s also a game changer. The air is cleaner. Working from home is happening in offices that said it was impossible. This devastates a lot of industries. Some of them were living on borrowed time though. If you can work from home, why should you ever go back? If you can work without flying somewhere? Why fly somewhere?

    I’m not saying we can or should keep this going. It’s simply sickening how much pain it’s causing. But some of the disruption to the energy market, to car body repair, to travel, that’s might prove lasting.

    Dustin (e5f6c3)

  7. No surprise. It’s a prudent move.
    The funny thing is that I can get a face mask quicker if I jumped on a plane tomorrow than ordering one online. I just pulled the Amazon trigger this AM and my washable, reusable covering will arrive June 11th.

    I found cases of 50 N95’s at Menards yesterday, they were $100. You could only buy 2.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  8. The current average U.S. overall death rate, even amid the coronavirus pandemic, is actually lower than it has been for much of the past seven years and well below the long-term average.

    I question that, Haiku. As of April 4th, there are 15,400 excess deaths, of which 8,128 were reported as COVID deaths (link). This would indicate there are more COVID deaths than reported, over and above the natural death rate.

    Paul Montagu (b3f51b)

  9. This will be the “new normal.” You may not be required to wear a mask in public, but businesses will require their customers/staff to wear, and have their temperature taken, and restaurants, movie theaters, and bars will limit capacity on their own. After a vaccine is available, people will need to show proof before allowed to gather in large groups. A privileged class will develop (“20% off with proof of vaccination!”), and will be allowed to engage in certain activities, while the non-vaccinated will be prohibited. The non-vaccinated will be shunned and discriminated against and forced to live apart from society.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  10. The non-vaccinated will be shunned and discriminated against and forced to live apart from society.

    What? Again…!!! Always the brown shoes in a room full of tuxedos…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  11. The non-vaccinated will be shunned and discriminated against and forced to live apart from society.

    That assumes we have a vaccine, which we are told will not be available for some time. As of today, the non-vaccinated = everyone.

    Bored Lawyer (56c962)

  12. Breaking-
    Trump to order meat plants to stay open in pandemic, source says. Thousands of workers already sickened by covid-19
    President Trump is expected to sign an executive order Tuesday mandating that meat production plants remain open to head off a food supply shortage, according to one person familiar with the coming action, despite mounting reports of plant worker deaths due to covid.

    Trump will invoke the Defense Production Act under the order, which will classify the meat production plants as essential infrastructure that must remain open, said the person, who was not authorized to disclose details of the order. The government will provide additional protective gear for employees as well as guidance, according to the person. Trump is expected to sign the order, first reported by Bloomberg, as early as today.
    ……….

    RipMurdock (25d26f)

  13. If Coronavirus Threat’s So Great, Why’s U.S. Overall Death Rate Down?

    It always goes down when elective surgeries are cancelled, like when you have doctor strikes (in places with socialized medicine.)

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  14. Briefings Were ‘Not Worth the Time,’ Trump Said. But He Couldn’t Stay Away
    To the surprise of exactly no one, President Trump resumed his daily coronavirus news briefings on Monday, just two days after tweeting that they were “not worth the time & effort” and just hours after his own White House officially canceled the planned appearance.

    The lure of cameras in the Rose Garden proved too hard to resist. For a president who relishes the spotlight and spends hours a day watching television, the idea of passing on his daily chance to get his message out turned out to be untenable despite his anger over his coverage. And so he was back, defending his handling of the pandemic and promising to reopen the country soon.
    …….
    But Mr. Trump hates being seen as managed by his staff, and once he saw some of the television coverage reporting that his own aides thought he should hold fewer briefings, he decided to host one on Monday anyway.

    The reversal, in less than two hours, was framed as an announcement of new testing guidance that was actually slated to be put out by lower-level officials. But Mr. Trump decided to bring along corporate executives he had met with just beforehand and have them take the microphone one after another to highlight their efforts to combat the virus.
    ……..

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  15. If the Orange Raccoon orders the meat processing plants into operation it will be a bonanza for litigators who will have to fight him on behalf of the businesses and unions.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  16. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-catastrophe-unfolding-in-new-york-is-unique-11587747861

    The Covid-19 Catastrophe Unfolding in New York Is Unique

    The city’s terrible death toll can’t just be explained away by the fact that ‘a lot of people live here’

    …According to the latest estimates by the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, by August, 67,000 Americans will have perished from this pandemic. The number of deaths in New York is expected to be over 23,000—more than a third of the national total, in a state with less than 6% of the U.S. population.

    New York City alone—a city of eight million—currently accounts for between 50% and 60% of Covid-19 deaths in the state and for perhaps a quarter of national fatalities. On current trends, the likely final death toll in the city may be above 15,000. (The latest data are fuzzy since New York City is counting thousands of people who died outside hospitals who weren’t diagnosed with Covid-19.)

    But even allowing for some margin of error, the numbers amount to one death in New York City for every 500 people. Not—remember—one death for every 500 people with Covid-19 but one death for every 500 residents of the city. Think about that. That might be a handful of parents or grandparents at your average high school, or one or two co-workers on your office floor.

    [It’s more biased by age than that]

    Not only is this multiples higher than other major population centers in the U.S., it is way more than any comparable city in the world. London, with a similar population, has recorded a little over 4,000 deaths, about a third of New York’s tally.

    If New York City didn’t exist, the likely number of total deaths in the U.S. from this virus would be about one for every 7,000 Americans. This would make it about as lethal as the average annual influenza, as critics of the policy response to the crisis have said. In American terms, it can be said that it is New York alone that makes this pandemic…a pandemic.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/26/science-says-its-time-to-start-easing-the-coronavirus-lockdowns

    The New York-New Jersey-Connecticut tri-state area accounts for approximately 60 percent of all US deaths….In the Big Apple, with almost one-third of all US deaths, the rate of death for all people ages 18 to 45 is 0.01 percent, or 13 per 100,000 in the population, one-eightieth of the rate for people age 75 and over. For people under 18, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of Empire State fatalities, almost two-thirds were over 70 years of age.

    Sammy Finkelman (af3697)

  17. NYC and London show that while mass transit is good, an utter dependence on them isn’t so good.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. Other cities which are utterly dependent on transit have not had this problem. If its transit that is the issue, we ought to be able to figure out what makes NYC unique.

    aphrael (7962af)

  19. It is a sinful city, unkind to strangers, given to rapacity and hedonism.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. LOL, nk; that’s the god’s honest truth.

    Colliente (05736f)

  21. Sammy, what was it you said in another thread about NYC or state policy of recycling hospital admissions to nursing homes. Might that be a ‘reason’. I’m going to go looking, but I thought I’d drop this here before I forget.

    Colliente (05736f)

  22. K-street layers write the laws
    congressional lawyers sell the laws
    K-street lawyers pay congressional lawyers commission
    time for citizens to arrest these crooks and fit them with cement overshoes

    mg (8cbc69)

  23. Bad news – Dr.Wuhan Fauci says its inevitable that the china flu will return. He should know, he funded it.
    Good news – The quack is wrong about most everything.

    mg (8cbc69)

  24. mg (8cbc69) — 4/29/2020 @ 2:31 am

    History talks about “Waves” of sickness coming upon the people on the heals of quarantines. Indeed, the sickness seems to ebb and flow within each host. But Dr. Erickson made a comment about how our immune systems break down during an extended quarantine, and predicted that this would contribute to a new wave of disease as we emerge from our common isolation.

    I found his comment worthy of consideration. Students of history often find that mistaken lessons are learned in the aftermath of a pandemic, and sometimes misinterpret the right ones.

    felipe (023cc9)

  25. mg (8cbc69) — 4/29/2020 @ 2:31 am

    Dr. Fauci is an “academic” as opposed to a “practicing” physician. His focus is on the big picture, and his plans depend on predictive models because of the novelty involved with Covid-19. Unless he is damned lucky, he must constantly modify his advice as new data is gathered. These modifications are prone to uncharitable characterizations of being”wrong.”

    I agree with Dr. Erickson that medicine is not about who is right or who is wrong. It is about science. The data that he, as a practicing physician, has gathered needs to be taken into consideration in making modifications to the plan in his “neck of the woods.” That is why it is frustrating to me when detractors level spurious charges that their specific advice is dangerous. In addition to missing the point, it betrays their agenda of “control.”

    Academics are all about control, as in “controlled studies;” this is a necessary feature of good science conducted in clinical conditions. But a pandemic does not occur under such conditions, there are simply too many moving parts. That is why the real-world data gathered by Practicing physicians are a crucial element to a solution; They are mission-critical participants in medicine – the nervous system of the population, constantly reporting how the disease presents. Listen to them!

    felipe (023cc9)

  26. Mg, I am not picking on you. Until recently, I held the same position as you do now. Fortunately, I was convinced by DR Erickson and Dr. Massihi [?] that I was politicizing the issue and mired in the misguided “right and wrong” game.

    felipe (023cc9)

  27. Jaysus, Felipe, that word salad was worthy of T-rump! Are you vaunting the doctors that are under investigation by their profession?

    Cripes…!!!

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)


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