Trump Retweets Ignorant Tweet Bearing Hashtag #FireFauci
Even he couldn’t be dumb enough to fire Fauci. Right?
Sorry Fake News, it’s all on tape. I banned China long before people spoke up. Thank you @OANN https://t.co/d40JQkUZg5
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2020
According to the Daily Beast, when Trump wasn’t busy ragetweeting at Mike Wallace, he spent a good chunk of the weekend staying on top of plans for massive antibody testing throughout America calling friends to ask what they think of Fauci:
“What do you think of Fauci?” the president repeatedly worked into his phone conversations over the past few days, the three sources said, as he pulsed his broader network of informal advisers, industry allies, and current staff on their opinions on the news of the day. At one point this weekend, Trump remarked that he’s made Fauci a “star” and that barely anybody would have known who the doctor was were it not for the president putting him front and center in the administration’s coronavirus response, televised press briefings, and media strategy.
“He did not sound bitter about it, I wouldn’t say that,” one of the people familiar with the comments said. “It just sounded like he thought it was worth a reminder.”
On Sunday morning, Fauci appeared on CNN host Jake Tapper’s show and seemed to confirm aspects of a Saturday New York Times story (one that had apparently upset the president) that he and other officials had advocated imposing restrictions and social-distancing guidelines in February, but the Trump administration did not act on their advice until nearly a month later.
“We make a recommendation. Often the recommendation is taken. Sometimes it’s not. But it is what it is. We are where we are right now,” Fauci told the State of the Union anchor. When asked by Tapper whether lives could have been saved if Trump and other top officials had taken and announced those recommendations in February, the doctor responded, “It’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously no one is going to deny that.”
Fauci’s comments did not go over well with certain officials working in the White House or on the president’s campaign, according to multiple aides, or with Trump supporters who are publicly protective of the president and his image. “Dr. Fauci needs to be more careful choosing his words on #Coronavirus, & if he’s going to be critical, make clear what he personally could’ve done better,” Jason Miller, a former senior Trump adviser, posted to Twitter on Sunday.
Jason Miller is a very careful guy — except perhaps around certain establishments in Orlando, according to court documents — and it is very important that Fauci listen to Miller’s advice rather than tell the truth the way he keeps doing.
A Trump supporter insisting that someone (other than Trump)”needs to be more careful choosing his words” is almost as bizarre as a Trump supporter chastising people for “dishonesty” and “lies about Trump.”
Radegunda (39c35f) — 4/13/2020 @ 8:30 amIf he does, the stock markets will tank (even more) as wiill his poll numbers. Something like that could even wake up the Republicans in Congress.
RipMurdock (9f866e) — 4/13/2020 @ 8:36 amThe only thing that will move republicans in Congress a large electoral loss. Otherwise they will continue to support President Trump in his mission to
Time123 (d54166) — 4/13/2020 @ 8:41 amsave Americaget public acclaim and adoration.Yeah, Trump’s out of control! The walls are closing in! We got him now! He’s fighting withe Doctors, he’ll fire them all!
OK, its amazing how the DNC_press, liberal/left pundits and Never trumpers get all that one tweet that reads: Fake News. I banned China long before people spoke up” A
And here’s another tweet:
The @nytimes story is a Fake, just like the “paper” itself. I was criticized for moving too fast when I issued the China Ban, long before most others wanted to do so. @SecAzar told me nothing until later, and Peter Navarro memo was same as Ban (see his statements). Fake News!
Yeah, but keep IMAGINING that Trump and Dr. Fauci are fighting. You Got Trump now!
rcocean (1a839e) — 4/13/2020 @ 8:56 am#4 — People aren’t just making a mountain out of “one tweet.”
They’ve seen a clear pattern, over many years, of Trump demanding sycophantic adoration, insisting that everything he does is perfect and brilliant, being enraged by criticism, lashing out vindictively at those who expose his weaknesses or otherwise hurt his fragile ego, and generally being a petulant, self-serving, dishonest cretin.
And some people, on the other hand, think the real problem is that other people have noticed what is obvious about Trump and aren’t pretending not to see it.
Fauci said he needs to walk a fine line between telling the truth and pleasing Donald Trump. If that statement bothered Trump fans in any way, most likely it was only because they wondered why anyone would ever choose the former over the latter.
Radegunda (39c35f) — 4/13/2020 @ 9:40 amThat ban that had only tens of thousands of people flying to/from China, after the “ban”?
Also, you’re grouping of people seems to include most Americans.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/13/2020 @ 9:51 amWell, maybe to many people now, but more than a generation ago he was criticized for much of the same thing: (they finally got him to relent somewhat.)
https://www.thebodypro.com/article/tony-fauci-md-coronavirus
Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:04 amTrump:
This was more punitive and hostile than it was a medically directed approach. And it worked mostly by citizenship and not by connection with the disease, and except in a few cases, like American avacees from Wuhan, there was no follow-up.
And that was all he did.
The federal government was allowed to botch the ability to get enough tests ready, without which you could do nothing much.
Now the WHO was saying don’t interfere with international travel because that’s what China wanted.
Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:09 amRC, thank you for providing an illustration of my point.
Time123 (d54166) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:10 amGee, Sammy, some activists had nasty things to say about Fauci.
I’m just gobsmacked…
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:13 amHit post too fast, full comment should have been.
RC, thank you for providing an illustration of my point that there are Trump supporters that will filter all critique of Trump through a lens of unfair persecution and dismiss it. Given that these are the activist base of the GOP most members of congress will support Trump rather than risk a primary fight.
Time123 (d54166) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:13 am0. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:13 am
He was wrong everywhere, of course.
But the anti-AIDS people were more activist than people interested in other diseases.
Still, it took them several years to get Fauci to modify what he said. They were mostly interested in themselves – they didn’t try to overturn general policy toward medical innovations. Maybe they didn’t even realize this was a generalized problem that intensified and intensified after 1962.
A problem with Fauci and with everyone else in the government bureaucracy. So many stupid (precautionary) things were done. And still didn’t prevent some bad approvals.
Or maybe the AIDS activists hoped that if they limited themselves to their disease, it would be easier to get what they wanted..
The truth is, the better drugs fr AIDS were probably delayed about ten years, from the mid-1980s till 1995.
But Dr. Fauci should not be fired or removed from the coronavirus task force. For the same reason they justify executive privilege. People must not be deterred from offering advice.
Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:26 amThat’s generally because those who are constantly critical of Trump do it with a partisan filter and try and reshape all information to fit their preferred narrative. Look no further than how the media focused on impeachment and dismissed the virus, then when Trump started restricting travel attacked him as xenophobic and foolish.
No one can say with a straight face that if Trump tried to enact restrictions on the American public in January or February, he wouldn’t have been blasted and accused of using the virus to enact his “fascist desires.”
NJRob (4d595c) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:36 amThat Trump has abandoned Fox for the nearly illiterate and certainly innumerate OANN is distressing. Not unexpected, just distressing.
Suggestion: people get a second vote for finishing high school.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:45 am11… if Americans hadn’t witnessed the lengths to which the MSM, Trump-hating Democrats and NeverTrump went these last 3.5 years to remove the POTUS, I think there’d be more interest in and engagement with people who hold these opinions.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:46 amNo one can say with a straight face that if Trump tried to…
Nonsense. A half decent communicator could make a clear and compelling case to the American people that a disease threatened and a response had to be made.
It would take some political capital that T-rump never had or has burned down in the bonfire of his vanity.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:47 amHe should fire Fauci and replace him with Jenny McCarthy! This would get him praise from the all-important idiot vote.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:49 amI’m “selling” on Fauci…the Bulls just fired longtime embattled GM Gar Forman…its a trade-off situation, like the Cubs winning the WS /Trump elected Potus in the same week and Ofc. Jason Van Dyke guilty/ Brett Kavanaugh confirmed the same weekend.
urbanleftbehind (7d14c3) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:50 amThe only thing that will move republicans in Congress a large electoral loss.
Yes, but considering what happened in 2009-10 after just such an event, I’m not keen on that either. Frying pan is preferable to fire. Besides, if Trump loses in 2020, what makes you think his base won’t renominate him in 2024?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:51 amOur media – and some in the medical establishment – can’t even side with the USA when the issue of the WHO’s documented malfeasance in giving cover to the ChiComs on their early stage handling of the Wuhan coronavirus came up. The media casts it as the head of the WHO arguing with Orange Man Bad, no judgements made.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:53 amYeah, but keep IMAGINING that Trump and Dr. Fauci are fighting. You Got Trump now!
And if he DOES fire Fauci, his base will applaud it and claim they had been against Fauci since the beginning.
I don’t know how Pence stands it.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:54 amHowever, some ACT UP veterans have less rapturous memories of Fauci.
I imagine there are some Maoists who are upset with Bernie, too. Not once has Bernie talked about the necessity for mass liquidation!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:56 amI bet the medicos don’t hang on the same sources for gospel as do you.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:56 amThis was more punitive and hostile than it was a medically directed approach.
Coincidentally, the mass outbreak of Covid-19 here was delayed several weeks as a result. I suspect that the FIRST thing that will happen after credible reports of the next Chinese outbreak will be a world-wide closure of all air travel from China, or by non-citizens who have recently been in China (with citizens quarantined on their return on special transport).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:59 amSince Trump obsessively watches polling, he probably doesn’t like these numbers.
April 8, 2020 – Fauci, Governors Get Highest Marks For Response To Coronavirus, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Majority Say Trump’s Response Not Aggressive Enough
As the number of coronavirus cases spreads throughout the country, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, earns the highest approval rating for his handling of the response to the coronavirus, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll released today. He is closely followed by state governors, but President Trump and Congress don’t fare quite as well on their handling of the response to the coronavirus:
Dr. Anthony Fauci: 78 percent approve, 7 percent disapprove;
“Your state’s governor”: 74 percent approve, 24 percent disapprove;
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo: 59 percent approve, 17 percent disapprove;
President Trump: 46 percent approve, 51 percent disapprove;
Congress: 44 percent approve, 46 percent disapprove.
When it comes to President Trump’s response to the coronavirus, 55 percent of registered voters say that he has not acted aggressively enough, while 41 percent say his response has been about right and 2 percent say he’s been too aggressive.
“In a country gripped by crisis and divided by partisanship, public opinion is united when it comes to Dr. Anthony Fauci. Nearly 8 in 10 voters give him a resounding thumbs up for the job he’s doing responding to the COVID-19 pandemic. That’s not the case for President Trump. More voters disapprove of his response than approve. Separately, they say he hasn’t acted aggressively enough in his response,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Mary Snow.
A plurality of voters gives the president a failing grade on the way he has communicated information about the coronavirus to the American people:
25 percent give Trump an A;
17 percent give him a B;
14 percent give him a C;
12 percent give him a D;
31 percent give him an F.
THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS
More than 8 out of 10 registered voters, 85 percent, say they are either very (50 percent) or somewhat (35 percent) concerned they or someone they know will be infected with the coronavirus, a spike of 31 percentage points from early March. However, the concern goes beyond infections. Three-quarters of voters say they are either very concerned (39 percent) or somewhat concerned (36 percent) that they or someone in their family will need to be hospitalized because of the coronavirus.
“While overall concerns about coronavirus infections have jumped dramatically in the past month, the level of concern depends on political party. Democrats lead the way in being ‘very concerned,’ almost twice the number of Republicans. Independents are in the middle,” added Snow.
Seven out of ten voters, 70 percent, say that the coronavirus crisis in the United States is getting worse, while 20 percent say it is staying the same and only 8 percent see it getting better. And voters are not expecting the crisis to end any time soon: 63 percent say they expect the coronavirus crisis will be over in a few months, 23 percent say more than a year, and only 10 percent say a few weeks. Almost two thirds of voters, 64 percent, say their daily life has changed in a major way since the coronavirus crisis hit the U.S., while 26 percent say it has changed in a minor way and 10 percent say it hasn’t changed much. ……..
RipMurdock (9f866e) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:00 am>A Trump supporter insisting that someone (other than Trump)”needs to be more careful choosing his words” is almost as bizarre as a Trump supporter chastising people for “dishonesty” and “lies about Trump.”
Nah, that’s not bizarre at all.
Part of how Trump maintains support is by deflecting criticism by making the critics appear to be the problem. That’s been clearly true throughout his public life, and it works particularly well in contemporary society because we’re so deeply tribally polarized that *of course* the members of the other tribe are no-good liars.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:00 am> Frying pan is preferable to fire
i’m not sure it’s clear which is which.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:03 amProbably the most damning thing about Trump is his inability to rally most Americans in a time of crisis. Even the feckless Jimmy Carter had huge popularity numbers during the hostage crisis (up until the Desert One frack-up).
Papa Bush (who was defeated for re-election) had appoveal of 88% (!) during Desert Storm and averaged over 60% in his term of office. W was at 81% after 9/11 and his average was 63% during his first term (collapsing badly in his second).
Heck, NIXON was at or above 50% almost all of the time until the Watergate scandal started to have teeth.
But Trump has spent neearly his whole term in the opinion cellar and remains there during a crisis which so far he has failed to inspire. You can say that “it’s the evil MSM” but they hated W, too and he had 4 our of 5 Americans approving of him in a crisis no bigger than the one we have now (and in many ways less important).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:18 amI like Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump.
We bought honey-baked hams, my wife made some delicious side dishes and we carefully delivered Easter dinners to our nurse DIL and son and our nurse daughter and her boyfriend.
We are taking an interest in/making sure our elderly neighbors are not in need of anything… paying our mortgage and other bills ahead of time, donating to local food banks, buying to-go meals from local restaurants, and taking time to thank all of those workers we often take for granted who are serving the community during this unfortunate situation.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:22 amPart of how Trump maintains support is by deflecting criticism by making the critics appear to be the problem.
In some ways Trump is a political genius. He has discovered (or at least been willing to use):
* The average IQ is 100 and that means that many many people are tired of all those people treating them as if they were stupid. So he uses speeches with simple ideas and short words.
* Naive cynicism is rampant. Many people believe their misfortunes are due to other people getting over on them (and they are sometimes right). So he (and Bernie, too) tells them he’ll fight against their hidden foes.
* Anger at government and it’s coercion is rampant, so Trump promises to “show them who’s boss.” Every time he fires someone, even if it is someone he appointed, he makes the case that they were really part of the Deep State that is the source of all problems.
Luckily, Trump is clumsy and transparent as all Hell in doing this, so he never adds to his base. But he does keep them riled up. Perhaps that will be enough. I guess I should be glad he’s incompetent or we’d be looking at a new Huey Long.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:28 am>no bigger than the one we have now
this is the biggest public health crisis since the spanish flu and the biggest economic crisis since the great depression.
the fact that we haven’t been able to come together as a people and are still bickering with each other is insane to me.
maybe it’s too soon? in the US the crisis is barely forty five days old.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:29 amThat is not to say that populism doesn’t have it’s place in a democracy. It is the major corrective force to a smug and self-satisfied Establishment. Usually the lesson isn’t this painful though.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:30 amthe fact that we haven’t been able to come together as a people and are still bickering with each other is insane to me.
And ANY competent President would have had little problem leading people at a time like this. Bill Clinton must be SHDH every time he sees Trump tweet. Trump doesn’t even see this as a problem though.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:32 amand making it even worse, *biden* doesn’t have the skills to lead us, either. he might have, once, but those days are gone.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:38 ami’m honestly starting to wonder if this is laying the seeds for the dissolution of the republic.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:39 amTrump says he’ll decide on easing guidelines, not governors
President Donald Trump asserted Monday that he is the ultimate decision-maker for determining how and when to reopen the coronavirus-stricken country, though it is unclear what authority he has to overrule the states.
While Trump, who is anxious to put the crisis behind him, has issued federal social distancing recommendations, it has been governors and local leaders who have instituted mandatory restrictions, including shuttering schools and ordering the closure of non-essential businesses.
The White House did not immediately respond to questions about what authority they believe the president might have to overrule local orders. Under the Constitution, public health and safety is primarily the domain of state and local officials. And many of those leaders have expressed concern that Trump’s plan to try to return to normal as soon as the end of the month will cost lives and extend the duration of the outbreak.
Though he abandoned his once-held goal of rolling back regulations by Easter Sunday, Trump has been itching to reopen a battered economy that has plummeted as businesses have shuttered, leaving millions of people out of work and struggling to obtain basic commodities.
Taking to Twitter on Monday, Trump said some are “saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect…it is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons.”
He added, “With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue. A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!”
RipMurdock (9f866e) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:42 am…..
Trump’s claim that he could force governors to reopen their states also represents a drastic shift in tone. For weeks now, Trump has argued that states, not the federal government, should lead the response to the crisis. And he has refused to publicly pressure states to enact stay-at-home restrictions, citing his belief in local control of government.
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looks like we’ll have a “fun” court fight on our hands shortly.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:45 amWell, that settles that.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/13/2020 @ 11:52 amSo it seems obvious the Chinese seeded the world with this virus. After the world comes to grips with this, what must be done re: China?
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:20 pmSo it seems obvious the Chinese seeded the world with this virus.
Obvious? Nope.
Possible though improbable? Sure.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:28 pm“Obvious” to some internet nutjobs who hide behind the plausible deniability of verbs like “seeded,” maybe. To normal people, a pandemic began in China and spread to the rest of the world by normal means.
Leviticus (cdf0fe) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:36 pmThe chinese communist regime thanks you for your in-kind contribution.
What does it say about people when they cannot even speak obvious truths about where the virus first rampaged and that the Chinese government deliberately covered up and hid its effects from the world till it was too late.
NJRob (d0e1ba) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:36 pmour president mr donald whose mouth only looks a little bit like a butthole but not that much has an article two where he has the right to do whatever he wants as president
that includes killing us all and if some slimy democrats and mitt romney hate it that proves its the right thing to do
Dave (1bb933) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:44 pmRep. Andy Biggs,Biggs, who heads the House Freedom Caucus, tells Dr. Fauci to “move along”:
Dana (0feb77) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:47 pmOnce again showing why we cannot come together as a people like we have in past times of crisis. Get some help when you are allowed outside again.
NJRob (d0e1ba) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:47 pmSure we can come together. Get Mike Pence and the rest of the cabinet to flush this turd. Problem probably not solved, some dead enders will stay on the Trump train, but for the sane, it will help, and for the idiots, they’ll b_*ch and moan some more, but they’ll still take advantage of the benefits.
We can wait till November when Joe Biden is elected while taking a nap during the interim, by 15 points and drags the senate with him, again, while he’s asleep. Or maybe, salvage the senate in the election at least.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/13/2020 @ 12:59 pmNavarro Calls Medical Experts ‘Tone Deaf’ Over Coronavirus Shutdown
Everyone keeps repeating about the need “to conduct nationwide testing for the virus or for antibodies and the ability to conduct large-scale contact tracing” before re-opening the economy but no one advocating a re-open has a plan to do so.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:00 pmIt’s remarkable, NJ Rob, to read many of the comments here.
Comments from people who should know better.
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:07 pmAnd Navarro is the man on the spot to manage the supply chain to get that accomplished, but like most things with this response, he doesn’t even talk a good game. In fact, he’s describing hockey, while we’re playing basketball.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:08 pmSays the pot to the kettle.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:09 pmKeep spreading teh H8, klink.
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:15 pm> Everyone keeps repeating about the need “to conduct nationwide testing for the virus or for antibodies and the ability to conduct large-scale contact tracing” before re-opening the economy but no one advocating a re-open has a plan to do so.
which is why everyone opposed to a re-open at this time is absolutely terrified by what we’re hearing.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:18 pmattn moderators, i apparently have a comment stuck in moderation. can you fish it out and/or tell me what got it moderated in the first place, please?
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:19 pmWhat does it say about people when they cannot even speak obvious truths about where the virus first rampaged and that the Chinese government deliberately covered up and hid its effects from the world till it was too late.
That’s not “seeded”.
“Seeded” implies the Chinese intentionally allowed the virus to spread outside China: that they wanted the pandemic. Something for which there is no evidence of any kind.
If that’s not what you mean, then please pick a better word.
Kishnevi (27beb6) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:20 pmThe chinese communist regime thanks you for your in-kind contribution.
OH, HELL no…!!! They pay me YYYYUGE pallets of cash to keep an open mind and a healthy skepticism. ZOMG, it’s a world-wide conspiracy. I get paid by the Brits, the Germans, the Japanese, the Russkies…even Iceland pays a little!
Then there’s the Rosicrucians and the Build-a-better-burgers and the Stone Cutters. THOSE guys REALLY have the bucks and know how to show gratitude!
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:22 pm35, question asked…maybe this is the 2nd answer, following Newsome’s boast last week:
urbanleftbehind (7d14c3) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:36 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-governors-coordinated-regional-effort-to-reopen-amid-coronavirus
Trump thrives on this stuff. By starting a debate on whether he has The Authority, we forget that he is The F***up; by talking about what a joke of a so-called President he is today, we forget what a joke of a so-called President he has been the past three years.
nk (1d9030) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:42 pm@54
Do we really have to get into debates about what “seeded” means?
I so far see no evidence that the Chinese deliberately created or spread the virus.
There is plenty of evidence that (a) China deliberately suppressed and lied about the corona virus for several months which (b) allowed it to spread to other parts of the world (through normal travel and commerce), causing a worldwide crisis and thousands of deaths. This was reckless disregard of the probability that their actions would endanger the lives of million around the world.
In any normal society, this would be considered criminal. The fact that this was not their intended goal is not an excuse.
As I once posted, if a school zone has a 25 mph speed limit to protect children, and if someone who is late to a business meeting takes a shortcut there, drives 85 mph, and ends up killing a child, that person is a criminal and deserves serious jail time. True, he did not intend or want the death, but his complete disregard of basic humanity should earn him serious jail time.
The Chinese govt. is the moral equivalent of that driver at 85 mph. In my book, it is a criminal regime.
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:58 pmNo there isn’t.
They isolated the virus around January 1. They reported it to the world on December 31. They announced that it could spread between people on January 20.
There is *at most* a three week period of confusion and/or suppression of that appears to have occurred at the local level.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:06 pmIt was not China’s responsibility to keep President Trump’s Virus out of the United States.
nk (1d9030) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:10 pmIt was the so-called President Trump’s.
He failed.
Because he’s a f***up.
A criminal f***up.
All fifty states and 3,000 or so counties should indict him for murder.
Along with all the Representatives and Senators who voted against impeachment and removal.
Her sick Mexican husband was laying on his death bed and only had hours to live. He suddenly smelled tamales, which he loved more than any other food… especially his querida Chita’s tamales, which were known throughout Albuquerque, New Mexico as “lo mejor de lo mejor”.
With every last bit of energy left in his mind and body, the terminally ill husband pulled himself out of bed, crawled across the floor, made his way down the hall and into the kitchen, where his wife was removing the fresh batch of tamales from the stove top.
As he reached for one of the freshly made tamales, his corazon Chita smacked him on the back of his head with a wooden spoon. “Leave them alone, pendejo!”, she yelled, “they’re for the funeral!”
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:17 pmThe Chinese have made inroads into California’s higher education system. Very sad.
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:20 pmBL, I mostly agree with you. But it was more a period of several weeks, not months. And of course we have no idea of how inaccurate the current reports from China are. We merely find it reasonable to assume they are inaccurate.
Meanwhile, I’ll park this link here about the SBA PPP program.
Kishnevi (27beb6) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:20 pmSorry! The link
Kishnevi (27beb6) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:21 pmhttps://www.dallasobserver.com/restaurants/dallas-restaurant-owners-federal-loan-assistance-coronavirus-11899152
How many times have we seen Never trumpers and democrats quoting MSM-DNC articles based on anonymous sources about how Trump is doing/did this or saying/said that? Always -or at least 92% of the time – they are harmful to trump and almost always turn out to be wrong, misleading, exaggerated, or all three.
“Without evidence” should be used to describe any “fact” based on anonymous sources about Trump from the NYT/Wapo, etc. They simply have NO track record of honesty when it comes to the President. Zero. They can’t be trusted when it comes to Trump or Republicans. Unless its the Weld/Romney type.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:23 pm> for several month
how is that even remotely plausible? phylogenetic analysis says this thing jumped to humans in mid november. three day doubling says we have at most 16K cases worldwide by new year’s eve.
i buy that china was lying for a couple weeks, although i think that was more due to confusion and uncertainty than it was to a deliberate scheme. but how can you get to months?
i mean, honestly, you must have *incredible awe* of their management skills if you think they’re aware of everything going on involving sixteen thousand people in a country of more than one billion.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:23 pmReading the NYT or the WaPo is like reading Pravada in the Old USSR, you know you’re being lied to and you need to do some analysis to find any truth
rcocean (2e1c02) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:24 pmApparently, Taiwan sent an email in December to the WHO warning them about the occurrence of a new disease in China and asking for more information. That information being investigated that early in the game could have saved tens of thousands of lives. Instead, Taiwan was ignored.
Remember, by mid-January, despite these warnings, the WHO was still insisting that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission. They hadn’t pushed China or sounded the alarm at all, instead letting the communist nation essentially write the press releases being put out. Even when it became clear China had lied and covered up the outbreak, the WHO still accepted their information as fact, something they are continuing to do to this day.
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/04/13/taiwan-releases-letter-showing-they-warned-the-who-is-december-were-ignored/
Colonel Haiku (27c440) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:27 pmThank god for OANN.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:28 pmThey intentionally covered it up and allowed their people to travel globally.
NJRob (78c5cc) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:30 pmThey simply have NO track record of honesty when it comes to the President.
Seeing as the President himself has no track record of honesty….
Kishnevi (27beb6) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:33 pmThey intentionally covered it up and allowed their people to travel globally.
I agree with that. But using the word “seeded” implies they planned for all this to happen.
Kishnevi (27beb6) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:34 pmIt’s all relative, eh, Kishinev?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:35 pmI’ll take the honesty of a 13 year old boy at Halloween over Trump any day, and twice on Sunday, or 200 times on Monday, 3,000…
Colonel Klink (Red) (9878f6) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:38 pmThat’s what Xi said…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:45 pmThink back to those days in December and January when COVID-19 was spreading, while China was lying and covering up, and the Democrats were trying to impeach Trump.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:53 pmTrue, life would be better if Trump hadn’t abused his power to extort Ukraine into announcing an investigation of a political rival.
Time123 (d54166) — 4/13/2020 @ 2:56 pmHe could have been ignoring it and assuring us it would magically disappear *weeks* earlier!
Dave (1bb933) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:04 pmThey intentionally covered it up and allowed their people to travel globally.
But enough about the T-rump administration….
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:05 pm58. Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 4/13/2020 @ 1:58 pm
They censored it…
The first recognxed case (in some scientific or medical report) is November 17 and it clearly wasn’t the very first.
At the end of December some group that discovered the new virus was ordered not to publish and to destroy their samples.
They reported the disease Dec 31 (maybe because some doctors were trying to get the news of a serious epidemic out and attention brought to it.
Now some of the early lying has been blamed on the city and provincial
governmentsemi-left-on-their-own despots. That they wanted to hide it from the central authorities because they would lose their jobs maybe. But the central authorities wanted to hide things too.While it was reported to the WHO on Dec 31, China claimed it was not transmissible human to human as late as January 20 I think. The WHO was saying that Jan 14. They were attributing it all to animals from the live animal market in Wuhan.They corrupted the World Health Organization.
Although it’s more accurate to say they corrupted people who work there. It’s cheaper.
From approximately January 20 through about February 15 they mostly told the truth, and then they went back to be back to lying again, and certainly censoring.
They didn’t want restrictions on travel from China – Chinese diplomats were pushing hard against it.
Now they claim to have wiped it out in China, just about.
Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:07 pmAs for China intentionally inflicting the virus on the world, I believe that a version of Hanlon’s Razor applies. “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.”
norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:16 pmBesides, China wants to keep on getting rich. It can’t do that if there’s a worldwide depression.
norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:19 pm82. norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:19 pm
It took them a while to realize that there could be..
Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:21 pm82… China would be delighted to see a substantially weakened USA.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:23 pm83
Yes, Sammy, which bolsters my belief that the virus came about naturally, not as a result of some plot.
norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:25 pm84
They would, but not if they are weakened in the process.
norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:28 pmHanlon’s razor is the best razor.
aphrael (7962af) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:32 pm86… China doesn’t care so much about the short-term benefits or disadvantages. They think long-term.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:42 pmi’m honestly starting to wonder if this is laying the seeds for the dissolution of the republic.
If Trump is re-elected, I expect to see a serious attempt at secession on the west coast. We are already seeing the region’s governors working out how to bypass Trump. This would be complicated by internal opposition from the non-urban parts of the three states. Since less that 10% of WA and OR is urban, it would be difficult for them to secede without an armed struggle. CA’s coast, from L.A. up to Mendicino and inland a bit could form a viable country though. But not if they tried to take Red California with them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 4:04 pmlooks like we’ll have a “fun” court fight on our hands shortly.
Since the constitution bans interstate pacts, and the re-start needs to have a national, or at least regional, plan, I really don’t see the courts refusing federal control. Even if the plan is stupid.
There are plenty of precedents dealing with national control of the economy, and plenty of actual constitution to hang a decision on. Raich and Wickard come to mind. Congress has passed enough emergency powers bills, one of them must bear.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 4:10 pmOnce again showing why we cannot come together as a people like we have in past times of crisis.
If Bernie Sanders was president, and he had AOC as his science advisor, and they wer fighting Covid-19 with cupping and pyramid power, we’d be reminded every day how unpatriotic it was to criticize the government’s response.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 4:15 pmBesides, China wants to keep on getting rich. It can’t do that if there’s a worldwide depression.
They really only have to be richer than.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/13/2020 @ 4:16 pmToday Fauci at the White House coronovirus press conference said something like that the first time he proposed something, Trump listened.
Sammy Finkelman (ba30b8) — 4/13/2020 @ 4:48 pm85. norcal (a5428a) — 4/13/2020 @ 3:25 pm
Except they may know a bit more as to exactly where it came from. Not that food market. But it’s natural, Who could even invent it?
Even the idea that there was a biological research facility like Plum Island or Ft Detrick in Maryland ch from which a previously collected wild virus escaped is not very plausible.
It would have alarmed may people in China. Some of this would have temporarily escaped censorship, and United States intelligence agencies (however limited they may be) also didn’t pick up anything like that. And some Chinese officials would have reacted faster if somebody knew immediately this was dangerous, even if secretly.
Sammy Finkelman (ba30b8) — 4/13/2020 @ 5:00 pmSome factories in China opened up, fulfilled their ack orders, and had to cut back agai. They can’t even sell much to people in China.
Of course the government has other interests besides money, but they can’t want (just yet anyway) a worldwide depression. And something like that might even topple Xi – some dictators have been removed by the committee which supposedly appointed them: Mussolini in Italy in 1943 by the Fascist Grand Council ad Nikita Khrushchev in the USSR by the Politburo (the problem probably was that he was threatening to abolish the Soviet Academy of sciences – some Politburo members like Kosygin had put their children in that field – that was enough to put together that coup.
And think also of the Greek junta member, Dimitris Ioannidis, who, in 1973 overthrew Georgios Papadopoulos the leader of the original junta that took over Greece in 1967 – and later bungled things so badly with Cyprus in 1974 that the whole junta had to resign in the “coup of the generals.”
Ioannidis was sent to prison and was not even released at he age of 84 ad eventually doed imprisoned. Papadopoulos too but he could have gotten out by admitting wrongdoing.
May the same, and worse, happen to Xi Jingpin.
Sammy Finkelman (ba30b8) — 4/13/2020 @ 5:16 pmAs I’m sure we’ve been over before, long-established case law holds that most agreements between states are constitutional, unless they purport to usurp the federal government’s enumerated powers.
Dave (1bb933) — 4/13/2020 @ 7:57 pm20. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/13/2020 @ 10:53 am
You know in China, what is censored, is also censored
One result is that not all people know what not to write.
There’s a lot of one stuff that isn’t pre-cleared, just removed later.
so now we have two indications of what is not to be written about the virus. You still have to read between the lines. They’re hiding mainly the fact of top level government review/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/chinese-universities-delete-censorship-notices-for-new-coronavirus-research/
Sammy Finkelman (3bf6ea) — 4/14/2020 @ 12:38 pmThis is the Guardian story (from Saturday) from which the New York Post story – and an editorial also – is derived:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/china-clamping-down-on-coronavirus-research-deleted-pages-suggest
Sammy Finkelman (3bf6ea) — 4/14/2020 @ 12:46 pm