Negotiations To Continue On Coronavirus Stimulus Package
[guest post by Dana]
Unsurprising. Via Axios:
A procedural vote on Senate Republicans’ $1.8 trillion Phase 3 stimulus package failed on Monday for the second time in less than 24 hours.
The big picture: Patience is wearing thin on Capitol Hill as talks over providing desperately needed aid to Americans and businesses continue to stall.
Republican senators, many of whom have been more frustrated in the last 24 hours…are accusing Democrats of playing politics during a national crisis.
Meanwhile, Democrats continue to argue that the Senate GOP’s legislation is a corporate slush fund that doesn’t do enough to help American workers. This has driven House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to draft her own version of a Phase 3 bill.
Weighing in:
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: “I’d like to see Senate Democrats tell small business employees in their states who are literally being laid off every day that they’re filibustering relief that will keep people on the payroll because Democrats’ special interest friends want to squeeze employers while they’re vulnerable.”
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer: “The bottom line is very simple. We are fighting for a better bill, because this bill will have an effect for a very long time.”
Pelosi: “The Senate Republicans’ bill, as presented, put corporations first, not workers and families. Today, House Democrats will unveil a bill that takes responsibility for the health, wages and well-being of America’s workers: the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.”
We are in the best of hands.
PS: Politicians not being helpeful:
AOC is gaslighting here, per usual.
Collins didn't "strip" pandemic prep funding, she took pandemic prep funding out of the 2009 stimulus (because it was not germane) and put into into regular appropriations bill so they could pass 10 times as much. ($7.6 instead of $800M.) https://t.co/CUYHWUAd5R
— Matt Whitlock (@mattdizwhitlock) March 23, 2020
PPS: Surprising headlines from the New York Times and The Washington Post:
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:27 amCongress rarely has the upper hand in these battles. See the last time Schumer & Pelosi tried to hold up a spending bill. They lost. To Trump.
Best thing the Dems can do is hang tight and win the Senate in November. They are doing their best to fail at that.
Appalled (1a17de) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:28 amThe Republican bill had $500 billion for loans at the say so of the Secretary of the Treasury. Details regarding loans would be kept secret for six months. When asked Trump said it would be possible that the Trump organization would get loans and people knew he owned hotels when they elected him.
So yeah, I think the initial R proposal was sub optimal. In a crisis some people see opportunity.
Victor (4355e3) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:30 amThank you, Victor.
nk (1d9030) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:36 am“Negotiations.” Meh.
“Vee beeleeve peece is dat hand.” – SoS Henry Kissinger, 10/26/72
Except it wasn’t.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:37 amOoh, how I hope Biden appoints Cy Vance as Deputy Attorney General. Russian collusion? Ukraine? You wish, orange. Try RICO.
nk (1d9030) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:39 amLeftists upset they cannot attach the Communist Green Deal to the Wuhan Virus bill.
On the bright side, my local supermarket is mostly full now with meats, veggies, canned goods, etc. All they seem to be out of is paper goods and the sanitizer wipes/ hand sanitizers that people are going crazy over.
NJRob (f959bc) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:42 amI don’t get why they just don’t strip the slush fund out, do $1.3T, or $800B… and if they need a phase 4, or 5, or 22, then do it. They agree on something like 80%, grow up and take that as a win, then move on to the next thing on the priority list. Of all the “not rocket science” parts, this is the most.
Yeah, it’s politics, but arguing about the color of the drapes when the house is on fire is poor timing.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:43 amtedfrank
@tedfrank
You can tell Democrats have a laser focus on helping Americans and the economy.
[attached excerpt showing requirement of Corporate Board Diversity]
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Diversity, abortion, solar panels and climate change, the things that will minimize the pandemic!
They want to do to corporate America the same thing they did to college administrations
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 11:57 am@8 Yes, this.
Nic (896fdf) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:12 pmSuppose this appropriate bill never passes. (Two earlier ones are already passed and borrowing and spending and having whatever consequences — good or bad, intended or otherwise — that legislation has.) What then?
Shut down the government, as we do so often in Septembers when budget appropriation negotiations break down? So, all non-essential federal workers stay home? All parks and monuments and tours close? All paper pushing for patents and tax appeals etc stall? Office buildings go dark and parking lots empty while federal bureaucrats and the citizens (and non-citizens) they are supposed to help all stay home?
Isn’t staying home what is supposed to be happening anyhow?
Is a failure to spend a trillion really the worst that can happen?
pouncer (df6448) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:17 pmThe Hill reports that House majority whip James Clyburn told the Democrat members in a conference call last Thursday that the stimulus bill “is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.” So yeah, it appears that Dems are hell-bent on not letting this crisis go to waste.
JVW (54fd0b) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:18 pmDoes anyone remember what the oversights were for the TARP bailouts? How much free reign did Congress in 2007 give GWB?
Time123 (b87ded) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:24 pmAOC is gaslighting here, per usual.
Stupidity is a better explanation.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:33 pmI added screenshots of a few headlines from the Wapo and New York Times because they are surprising in their accuracy.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:42 pmPelosi demands these inclusions:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:47 pmPelosi continuing to show where her priorities are during a crisis. But it’s best to ignore that and continue to bash the President. Give the left exclusive power to shape the world as they see fit.
NJRob (f959bc) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:52 pmTurtle Soup and whine.
Yummy, eh?!
Treasury’s power over $500 billion loan program becomes key sticking point in coronavirus aid bill – source, https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/22/treasury-coronavirus-sente-corporate-loan/
The $500 billion corporate slush fund in the hands on SoT Ned Ryerson is the hang up.
“Woooooo, bing! That’s a doozy!” – Ned Ryerson [Stephen Tobolowsky] ‘Groundhog Day’ 1993
DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/23/2020 @ 12:54 pmThe Democrats want money targeted at their wish list of causes headed by their favored donors. The Republicans want money they can parcel out directly to their favored donors and to Trump companies. The public gets the crumbs.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:17 pmMore from Pelosi’s wish list:
1) “Unprecedented collective bargaining powers for unions”
2) “Increased fuel emissions standards for airlines”
3) “Expansion of wind and solar tax credits”
I guess they’re all working toward fulfilling that vision majority whip James Clyburn talked about.
Neither side has clean hands.
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:31 pmAnd the band played on! Mcconnel we need to bail out wall street an big corporations. Schumer we need to bail out the workers and the poor.
rota (778eaa) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:34 pmHad no idea they were going to make the Green New Deal socialist takeover part of the virus response.
“Never let a crisis go to waste”
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:48 pm_
Doug Jones got to borrow the hall pass usually reserved for Debbie Stabenow (he was a yes vote with the Rs).
urbanleftbehind (0ffb16) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:48 pm@3
Treasury Secretary would still have to abide by existing regulations, which to my knowledge didn’t exist when the last time a bailout package was done (2009/10??)
Additionally, why should Trump-owned hotels be treated any differently than other hotel companies?
Yes, it’d be outrageous if Trump-owned hotels get a sweetheart deal that companies like Marriott couldn’t get, but at this point I don’t think we know that.
whembly (fd57f6) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:50 pmI had been unclear as to why the President believes that the cruise industry, of all things, would be a “prime candidate” for a bailout. Then I started reading up on it…
This report lists a few reasons why this isn’t the best idea:
Further, there is the issue of paying, or not paying taxes:
President Trump has suggested that Carnival vessels could be used as floating hospitals, since they aren’t being used right now. Although cruise ships have been used as a resource to shelter the public during hurricanes and post-floods, medical professional have said these ships are inadequate to house coronavirus patients, and “given the layout of cruises makes them especially vulnerable to disease spread.” Think: norovirus.
So why is Trump pushing for a bailout (and to use them as floating hospitals)? Maybe this has something to do with it:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:53 pmYeah… I find that the bailout requests for the Cruise line a wee bit strange.
Same with the Airlines.
Why couldn’t they going to Chapter 11 bankruptcy and renegotiate their debt?
The bigger issue, imo, are the furloughed employees.
whembly (fd57f6) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:56 pmDon’t bail out corporations, so when the crisis passes the workers won’t have a company to back too. Permanent handouts. What’s not to like.
LYNN HARGROVE (740caa) — 3/23/2020 @ 1:57 pmIf politicians are indeed over-reacting, I think it’s safe to say that politicians have the most to gain and the least to lose by over-reacting. That’s true of every crisis, real or manufactured, that government steps in to address.
Gryph (08c844) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:01 pmF*cking Democrats…
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1242100862488633345
Colonel Haiku (ac91f9) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:03 pmLYNN HARGROVE,
While there is a point of truth in what you say when Americans are employed by the companies, that isn’t necessarily the case with cruise liners:
Dana (4fb37f) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:06 pmRe: foreign flagging of cruise ships.
https://www.cruisejobfinder.com/fm/cruises/foreign-flagged-cruise-ships.php
ColoComment (2429fb) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:15 pmGo tell James Carville to get dat boah Clyburn in line. Wasn’t Clyburn the savior of the D party at the beginning of the month, now he might be the curse.
urbanleftbehind (0ffb16) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:24 pm@29
I echo that…
Add that to my bucket of why I won’t vote for Democrats. My bucket is now:
-Kavanuagh fiasco
-Covington ordeal
-Democrats not letting COVID-19 event go to waste
Hate is such a strong word… but, I cannot describe to you of my contempt I have for Democrats I have now…
whembly (fd57f6) — 3/23/2020 @ 2:25 pmPolitical Gritty
@PoliticalGritty
Today, my six-year-old daughter Eunice asked me what #Pelosi & #Schumer are doing to help the country through #COVIDー19, and I showed her their proposal to create
..a new program requiring airlines to provide passengers with info on greenhouse gas
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NH
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:20 pm@TwoQuoque
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I just read this to my five-year-old son Wolf, and he said “I’m so relieved to hear this. What is the purpose of survive the virus only to have the world end before we can see AOC as president?”
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Dan Sweeney
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:22 pm@Daniel_Sweeney
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Some pretty big news: @GovRonDeSantis just announced that people flying into Florida from NY, NJ, WA or CA must enter a 14-day self-isolation.
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This guy was saying on the radio – now would be a good time to fix the roads.
mg (8cbc69) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:33 pmI hate when people pretend their kid has set up their straw man question. I’ve worked with literally thousands of kids at this point in my career. His 6 year old didn’t say that. Also, why did he name is poor daughter Eunice? I mean, at least he didn’t spell it in a stupid way, but Eunice? Really? Poor kid.
Nic (896fdf) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:35 pmI don’t get why they just don’t strip the slush fund out
Because it’s not about any slush fund, if there is a slush fund. It’s about getting a long list of Democrat “wants” into the bill, such as new solar credits and carbon rules. Pelosi got the Senate Democrats to hold the bill up so that she could stuff its carcass.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:36 pmThat whole process, as larded up as it is from study to shovel to striping is still full speed ahead in my state. The road profilers should be out as well, once this 2 inch if snow melts.
urbanleftbehind (0ffb16) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:38 pmWhy couldn’t they going to Chapter 11 bankruptcy and renegotiate their debt?
Why should any business have to do that due to a force majeure situation? Businesses that make bad decisions deserve BK, but this is like getting hit by an asteroid. Besides, one group they would certainly stiff in any Chapter 11 would be the people who bought tickets to fly from about March 11 to the end of the year. Any promises of honoring them later would be gone in BK.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:40 pm*March 1
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:40 pmPeople are really desperate for toilet paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2I91iTC2_fR16UhPPQRK39CX0F2x7CqDPP8A3nwacR5zhrgURGE0GwMIw
norcal (a5428a) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:49 pmThe roadapple doesn’t fall far from the broken down nag… https://static.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/christine_pelosi_rand_paul_3-23-20.jpg
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 3:51 pmHis 6 year old didn’t say that. Also, why did he name is poor daughter Eunice?
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In case you missed it, liberals have been posting bogus thoughtful PC quotes from they young children for a while now.
Those two were sarcastic parodies placed by conservatives.
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:09 pm_
Example:
MatthewDicks
@MatthewDicks
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Feb 7, 2018
My five-year old son just came downstairs in his footy pajamas and said, “Donald Trump is disgusting.”
“Why do you say that?” I asked.
“Just listen to him, Dad.”
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:11 pm_
@44 I always hate it, regardless of the politics of the person doing it.
Nic (896fdf) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:15 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/DougAndres/status/1242189330061369346
The Pravda Times went full Orwellian.
NJRob (f959bc) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:17 pmhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/coronavirus-bailout-mcconnell-congress.html
And for those rushing to the defense of the communist Times, here’s the article.
Now I wait for those same people to dismiss it as a mere OpEd.
NJRob (f959bc) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:21 pm46 – “I always hate it, regardless of the politics of the person doing it.”
I’m totally the opposite. Humor is a great balm in tendentious times and ridicule of dishonest tools sometimes gets them to see how ludicrous they sound. It’s also indicative of how gullible they presume the target audience.
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 4:29 pm__ _
Speaking of the Times, they are now giving lessons to the Chinese in propaganda technique.
NYTimes Feb 26:
Let’s Call It Trumpvirus
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Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
March 23
Chinese embassy in Paris pushing the #TrumpPandemic hashtag in French.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1242143680846270465?s=20
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 5:00 pm_
Yesterday it was ‘why so sensitive? It’s China virus! don’t be such a SJW’
Today it’s “OMG OMG please don’t call it Trump virus it hurts our feelings!’
Far as I’m concerned both labels fit. Both share responsibility for their failure making things worse.
Team D is being terrible about relief, but Trump’s hotels shouldn’t benefit from the slush fund either. Trump can dismiss the corruption concerns but they are legitimate. He made this worse… he shouldn’t profit from that. Just add a line saying ‘nothing Trump owns can get Trump Pandemic relief money’.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/23/2020 @ 5:18 pmI’m actually not vehemently against a Trump business getting relief, well personally eff him, but as long as there are publically trackable criteria that any like business can access, I have less of a problem with it, theoretically. But still, eff that guy.
If the Munch can give out money by the dump truck load now, and maybe explain who and why sometime later in the year, that’s just a bad look. Half a trillion dollars weighs 5,000 tons if made of $100 bills, so that’s a fleet of dump trucks. Can a bundle just bounce out in my driveway, I’ll give it back in 6 months, I promise.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 3/23/2020 @ 5:28 pmConnectionObsessionObsession, they just got so much
Obsession, but all they want to do, is to put it to you
Everything is going in the wrong direction
Pelosi needs some more hot pork injections
Give her a shot for a bad rabies infection
But I don’t know, if the foam will slow
Obsession, they just got so much
Obsession, but all they want to do, is to put it to you
The Dems should get a very close inspection
We wonder why it is that they elect ’em
There’s never been a more motley collection
And we all know, as a group they blow
Obsession, they just got so much
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:05 pmObsession, but all they want to do, is to put it to you
I’m agin it.
There needs to be some MUCH clearer thinking on who really needs what money, and how it will be targeted and when.
The whole deal stinks.
Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:10 pm“ Far as I’m concerned both labels fit.”
Disagree, the virus is from China and they arrested doctors who warned of the danger.
Implying Trump’s actions are equal to this is nonsense.
harkin (b64479) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:13 pm_
I don’t know if they are equal… maybe Trump’s actions are worse actually. But it doesn’t matter. He is horribly screwing this up. The hardship we will face is Trump’s legacy. Fighting it only serves the purpose of making sure everyone knows. We can see this is why Trump is trying so hard to call this the China Virus. And by all means call it that if you like. Every day there will be a new outrage about how this is the democrat’s fault. Even Trump blamed the problem on Biden. Can’t do that and then not expect the country to notice who the actual president is.
Dustin (b18b7a) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:22 pm“ I don’t know if they are equal… maybe Trump’s actions are worse ”
Once again. Virus from China, allowing wet animal markets, arresting doctors who tried to warn, shutting down on news reporters seeking to do same. I still disagree. Trump has made both helpful and damaging statements but to compare those with willful and menacing actions towards their own people and by extension to the outside world, nonsense.
“ Every day there will be a new outrage about how this is the democrat’s fault. Even Trump blamed the problem on Biden.”
If you mean Fault for the virus spread I haven’t seen anything blaming Democrats, just hundreds of blame Trump stories.
If you mean fault for delay on the bill for completely unrelated political reasons, those are dead on.
harkin (467f23) — 3/23/2020 @ 7:59 pm_
Gizmodo
@Gizmodo
To recover from the covid-19 pandemic, we need a Green New Deal http://gizmo.do/cNGnZdD
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1242265833881165824?s=20
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The responses are worth the click.
harkin (467f23) — 3/23/2020 @ 8:35 pm_
Impeach congress.
mg (8cbc69) — 3/24/2020 @ 2:31 amWe could save about 400 young lives every work hour by shutting down America’s abortion clinics.
mg (8cbc69) — 3/24/2020 @ 2:34 amDustin (b18b7a) — 3/23/2020 @ 6:22 pm
I know the 2 minutes of hate is fun, unloads stress, etc. but running it 24×7 isn’t healthy.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/24/2020 @ 5:15 amHarkin, you have to be wrong about China. Trump told us months ago that Xi was doing a great job and that Corona-virus would end very well for us. If you really think otherwise you should write to president Trump and tell him he’s wrong.
President Donald Trump on Friday praised Chinese President Xi Jinping’s response to the Wuhan coronavirus, predicting his foreign counterpart “will be successful” in combating the outbreak that has killed hundreds of people.“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus,” Trump wrote on Twitter.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 3/24/2020 @ 6:19 amMore seriously, there are a lot of things that could have been done and weren’t for this.
-Order everyone with an a-typical respiratory infection tested for CV in Dec. This would have likely exposed the problems with the tests.
-Order travelers from impacted regions to be tested and Quarantined
-Had medical preparedness checked for a worst/moderate case scenario at US hospitals. From this we’d likely have identified gaps in our material availability.
-Prepared the public for what we might need to do so that all levels of government could be aligned. Get the issues and concerns out early.
Basically many of the sames things we’re doing now, but with 8 additional weeks to react.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 3/24/2020 @ 6:28 amMy local Jewel employs differently-abled people to round up the carts and do other odd jobs. One of them lives near me. I just stepped out for a cigarette and saw her limping to work. One and a half miles.
F*** you, Cocaine Mitch! F*** your Chinese wife Secretary of Transportation! F*** your rich jerkoff cronies you’re steering the trillions of payoffs! F*** all you Trumpublican dung beetles sucking up the orange poop! F*** you with a barbwire dildo!
nk (1d9030) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:09 amsteering the trillions of payoffs *to*
nk (1d9030) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:11 amTime123 (69b2fc) — 3/24/2020 @ 6:28 am
Ordered everyone in the US to get tested for covid in December? Would that even have been possible? Had they identified it well enough by then to even attempt widespread testing? How would an “order” by the federal government to test for a Chinese virus in December be received when China didn’t declare an outbreak until Jan 20? I agree that it would have exposed the problem with the testing but I don’t think it is realistic for that to have happened in December.
This wasn’t going to happen in Dec. This was pushed back against when it happened. I’m not trying to make a case against impeachment but there is no way a travel lockdown would have happened during Dec.
This would have made a lot of sense. But no one really took this seriously. Two months ago you were a crazy prepper for discussing exactly what you are talking about here.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:13 amI’m telling you guys, atypical non-flu pneumonic symptoms? No clue where it’s coming from? We had CoViD-19 right here in America months before we realized what it was. No doubt in my mind about it.
Gryph (08c844) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:17 amFrosty, let me clairify.
Order everyone hospitalized for an a-typical respiratory infection tested for CV in Dec. This would have likely exposed the problems with the tests. I believe the CDC can order/recommend this. A week before Christmas a friend of mine who lives in China flew home. She spent the week after Christmas in the hospital for Pneumonia. Her doctors thought it was very strange given her general health.
I’m not saying a travel ban. I’m saying you fly in from China in late December you have to be tested for CV and QT until the test comes back. If we couldn’t do this exactly this we could have at least sampled some % of people.
Had medical preparedness checked for a worst/moderate case scenario at US hospitals. From this we’d likely have identified gaps in our material availability.
Prepared the public for what we might need to do so that all levels of government could be aligned. Get the issues and concerns out early.
Most of this would have been done between HHS and medical professionals, not normal people. And part of what leaders do, is lead. If instead of minimizing the risk the president had said “we’re doing an assessment of our preparedness in case this becomes a problem here. I’m asking local and state medical officials to coordinate with VP Pence to make sure we have the material we would need.” I think it would have gone a long way. You’re right, the people that hate Trump and pull a paycheck from hating Trump would have done what they do. But so what. It still would have provided useful information.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:25 amFrosty, you’re right that all of that would have been hard in Dec. We could have started in Dec but a lot of that would have started after the first.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:26 amTime123 (ea2b98) — 3/24/2020 @ 7:25 am
I can’t argue with any of that. I do think the best we could have done is sampled some % of people but these quarantines are also only something that became reasonable after it was more obvious. I’m pessimistic that we’d have been able to do very much prior to Feb 1 other than restock the federal stockpiles of supplies and run interagency and federal/state preparedness exercises.
I’m starting to get news about people I personally know in the hospital with this. I suspect this will be a tough week and I’m not looking forward to the one after that. I’d prefer to hear a lot more about testing to slow it down and efforts to keep the hospitals functioning.
frosty (f27e97) — 3/24/2020 @ 8:02 amIt’s getting to where The Babylon Bee reflects reality better than the msm:
Dems Worried Stimulus Bill Would Stimulate Economy
https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-worried-stimulus-package-would-stimulate-economy
harkin (b64479) — 3/24/2020 @ 8:11 am_
You might be right about what we would have to end up doing. In the industry I work in we set stretch goals for containment issues. Sorry to hear about your friends.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 3/24/2020 @ 8:16 am64… shelter in place… preferably an empty refrigerator!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/24/2020 @ 9:17 amI have no problem with setting up relief for an impacted industry with suitable criteria. I have a big problem if specific businesses get specific help. So, if all hotels get help with global rules, fine. But if, say, Trump hotels are favored or disfavored, that would be a problem. The only specificity I would want to see would regard nationality. United Airlines gets help, Emirates doesn’t.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/24/2020 @ 9:42 amAs someone who believes government should have a role in setting pro-social directions and sometimes specific goals for industry to promote national health and security (no, this isn’t a classic “small business” or “unlimited capitalism” position), I’d take that into consideration too.
So, for one example, aside from the vast majority of workers on cruise ships not being American and cruise ships being foreign flagged, there’s also the question of should government spend taxpayer dollars to rescue an industry that may act as a disease petri dish and transmission system rolled into one?
Make America Ordered Again (23f793) — 3/24/2020 @ 9:51 am