Patterico's Pontifications

3/4/2020

Follow-up to Last Night’s Results

Filed under: General — JVW @ 2:35 pm



[guest post by JVW]

Our host took us through the big night for JoJo the Indefatigable Dog-Faced Pony Soldier Boy, so I want to focus on some other races. But first, a word about the crazy evening.

A quick perusal of Twitter looking at various trending topics will suggest that the Bernie Bros and Babes are not at all happy with last night’s developments, as a search on #BernieOrBust2020 or #RiggedPrimary will make clear. What’s even more fun is that Biden supporters are clapping-back claiming that it is only Republican trolls or Russian operatives who are pretending to be Sanders supporters threatening to sit out the fall election, but if that were true then it would mean that the devious GOP and Russians have been planning this operation for the past ten years and have been carefully cultivating Twitter accounts with tens of thousands of followers and histories of left-wing tweets. I have no idea what Joe Biden will be able to do to bring the Sanders people back in the fold, but I can’t see him being any more successful than Hillary Clinton was at that endeavor.

I kind of hope that the Green Mountain Marxist makes a comeback and beats Slow Joe in Michigan (where he beat Her Clintonic Majesty four years ago) and Ohio, thus undermining Biden’s claim that he can put the Rust Belt states back into the Democrat column. In fact, if you compare the Clinton-Sanders race back then to the Biden-Sanders race today, the same sort of voting patterns are emerging. This is as good a sign as any that Senator Stalin has not expanded his voting base one damn bit since last time around, and we already know that there has not been some magical turn-out of young voters, no matter how dominant they may be the the social media realm. But again, I would love to see this whole thing arrive unsettled in Milwaukee later this summer.
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Now for some local news:

California went for Comrade Candidate, but by what is shaping up to be a smaller margin than had been anticipated. The average of polls going in to yesterday suggested a twelve-point spread for Sanders over Biden, but the semi-final results show closer to a margin of under nine percent for the geriatric revolutionary. Voting in hyper-progressive California began in some counties as early as two weeks ago, and according to the Dog Trainer there were a quarter-million voters in Los Angeles County who cast their ballots prior to Tuesday, with some statewide estimates suggesting that over a half-million voters — not counting mail-in ballots — voted prior to our official election day. How many of these ballots were marked for candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar who dropped out before Tuesday is uncertain, but if our state is going to fetishize early voting then this is what we are going to have to learn to accept.

For what it’s worth, the Congressional district where our host and I both reside thus far has Biden at 29.7% and Sanders at 24.5%, with Lieawatha with 15.5% and Buttigieg, Bloomberg, and Klobuchar combining for 26.9%. Patterico chose a winner as far as our neighborhood is concerned. I and 469 other hearty and patriotic souls cast votes for My Little Aloha Sweetie, and I anticipate her numbers will swell as we continue to count votes up until the April 3 deadline (you read that right; we have thirty days to count the votes).
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Proposition 13 on this year’s ballot, which had nothing to do with the famous property tax limitation Proposition 13 passed in 1978 but instead was this time a ham-handed attempt to get the state to use bond money to guarantee school repair funding so that a larger share of the general funds could go towards pension and benefit obligations, went down to glorious defeat yesterday. Close to 56% of voters voted “No,” though naturally San Francisco voters were by a ratio of 3:1 in favor of the proposition and ought to thus be disqualified from ever voting again on a tax measure. Combined with last year’s embarrassing defeat of the LAUSD parcel tax and a slew of other failed school tax initiatives on yesterday’s ballot, I am cautiously optimistic that the voters of this state are finally waking up to the idea that throwing more money at structural weaknesses in policy and the bureaucracy on behalf of “children” or “veterans” or “the homeless” is a waste of valuable resources, though it could just be a sign that California voters are happy raising someone else’s taxes, just not their own. In any case, if I were an advocate of the split-roll property tax initiative proposed for November — the first serious attempt to challenge the original Prop 13 tax protections enacted forty-two years ago — I would be seriously worried about the chances for success given what we have recently seen.
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It looks promising for Patterico’s boss, Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey, who at this writing is holding on to roughly 50.7% of the vote in a three-person race, with almost double the support of her closest challenger, former San Francisco DA George Gascón. If she can stay above the fifty percent mark and avert a fall runoff we may avoid the trendy hug-a-miscreant style of public safety policy that the wokedy-woke are trying to impose on municipalities all across the country. But with mail-in ballots left to be counted and with all sorts of problems with county elections this time around, it may be some time before we know for sure whether we have dodged the Soros-funded move to blame society for the failings of criminals.

In any case, there was lots of good news for conservatives yesterday, including a handful of California Republicans with surprisingly strong showings in Congressional and state legislative races on a night when it was Democrat races that brought out the voters. It will be interesting to see if this momentum carries over into November, and if we can at long last momentarily slow the Golden State’s massive lurch to the left.

– JVW

146 Responses to “Follow-up to Last Night’s Results”

  1. The other interesting thing from last night was the failure — with some intermittent successes — of measures to raise sales taxes to bring money in to municipalities. We are in a weird situation in California: state law limits the total bite that sales taxes can have, and though the state and county take a chunk of the money, what remains goes to municipalities. So there are situations where a particular city might have a nine-and-half cent sales tax, with the maximum allowable by state law being ten-and-a-half cents. What municipalities are telling their taxpayers is that if the state adds the extra one-cent to the tax rate in the next year or so then the city will be screwed out of the revenue, so the smart move if for the city to vote to max that tax out right now in order to lay claim to the money before the state can get their hands on it. My city council wanted to put a measure on the ballot to do just this, but a small scandal in the way the city was paying consultants and vendors suggested to them that it would not be a wise move.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. If she can stay above the fifty percent mark and avert a fall runoff we may avoid the trendy hug-a-miscreant style of public safety policy that the wokedy-woke are trying to impose on municipalities all across the country.

    Are you sure this is right?

    According to this page on the LA County elections site:

    Nonpartisan Offices

    Under the California Constitution, political parties are not entitled to nominate candidates for nonpartisan offices at the primary election, and a candidate nominated for a nonpartisan office at the primary election is not the official nominee of any party for the office in question at the ensuing general election. A candidate for nomination or election to a nonpartisan office may not designate his or her party preference, or lack of party preference, on the primary and general election ballot. The top two vote-getters at the primary election advance to the general election for the nonpartisan office. [emphasis added]

    The District Attorney office is nonpartisan and is listed as such on the page with election results.

    On the other hand, it may be that the information on that page is incomplete.

    According to this page (of entirely unknown provenance) for non-partisan offices there is a 50%+1 override that eliminates the general election.

    Dave (1bb933)

  3. This is kind of interesting too: our host and I joined about 120,000 other no-party-preference voters in Los Angeles County to get Democrat ballots and vote in their party’s primary. Overall, just over 70% of ballots cast yesterday were Democrat ballots, with slightly more than one out of every seven of those coming from a NPP voter. Republicans cast a little bit over 20% of last night’s total ballots in LA County, NPPs a bit under 7%, and the rest scattered among Libertarians, Greens, Peace and Freedom, American Independents, and other small parties.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  4. The District Attorney office is nonpartisan and is listed as such on the page with election results.

    This is the way I thought it worked too, but note the link to the article in the post which states that Ms. Lacey can avoid the runoff by winning a majority. Now I might be stupid to trust a newspaper reporter in this matter, but as you point out the rules are so complicated that I don’t know for sure what to think.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  5. According to Real Clear Politics, Biden is now almost a seven-to-one betting favorite over Sanders for the Democrat nomination. I would be sorely tempted to take the Burlington Bolshevik for something small but sporting like $50 at those odds.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  6. @5. LOL yeah… and McCain will beat Obama. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. JVW @1

    That’s a disturbing example of a race to the bottom.

    norcal (a5428a)

  8. OK, here’s the deal (to coin a phrase):

    ELECTIONS CODE – ELEC
    DIVISION 8. NOMINATIONS [8000 – 8903] ( Division 8 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
    PART 1. PRIMARY ELECTION NOMINATIONS [8000 – 8228] ( Part 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
    CHAPTER 1. Direct Primary [8000 – 8150] ( Chapter 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )

    ARTICLE 8. Nominated Candidates [8140 – 8150] ( Article 8 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )

    8140.
    Any candidate for a nonpartisan office who at a primary election receives votes on a majority of all the ballots cast for candidates for that office shall be elected to that office. Where two or more candidates are to be elected to a given office and a greater number of candidates receive a majority than the number to be elected, those candidates shall be elected who secure the highest votes of those receiving a majority, and equal in number to the number to be elected.

    Where a candidate has been elected to a nonpartisan office at the primary election, that office shall not appear on the ballot at the ensuing general election, notwithstanding the death, resignation, or other disqualification of the candidate at a time subsequent to the primary election.

    (Enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2.)

    So the news article you quoted is correct.

    Dave (1bb933)

  9. So if she maintains over 50%, she’s in without a runoff. I would like to remind the comrades that it was I who first suggested it, only to be contradicted by defeatist elements. In any case, I am happy for Patterico.

    nk (1d9030)

  10. It looks promising for Patterico’s boss, Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey, who at this writing is holding on to roughly 50.7% of the vote in a three-person race, with almost double the support of her closest challenger, former San Francisco DA George Gascón.

    I’m surprised this is the case, and am happy about it. Even in a run-off, she should win with this much of a lead. Fingers crossed she wins it on the first ballot.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  11. Of course you all understand that Vladimir Putin has a Plan B. If it looks like Trump will lose to Biden, Trump will concede the election to Bernie on the basis that Bernie is the legitimate Democratic candidate having (again) been cheated out of the nomination. Trump is already laying the groundwork for that. Let us be prepared as well.

    nk (1d9030)

  12. Now Bernie is playing the Revolutionary versus Establishment card as well as the Grass Roots versus Wall Street money card, despite the fact that Bernie has raised $50 million more than Biden.

    Paul Montagu (8497cf)

  13. Now Bernie is playing the Revolutionary versus Establishment card as well as the Grass Roots versus Wall Street money card, despite the fact that Bernie has raised $50 million more than Biden.

    My fear of communists taking over the United States notwithstanding, and Bernie’s candidacy came close, not this four-years, b*iatch.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  14. Now Bernie is playing the Revolutionary versus Establishment card

    Is what revisionists do.

    nk (1d9030)

  15. 1. Biden may talk a moderate game, but his party has few moderates left. Unless he’s going to be vetoing Democrat legislation I’d not expect a Biden term to be anything but “progressive.”

    2. Bernie ought to form that national Socialist Party (not a “National Socialist Party”). It’s clear that the Democrats are just billionaires in sheep’s clothing. #ToTheBarricades

    3. Biden is essentially running a “back to the status quo ante” movement. Sadly, few in either party want to return to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama consensus on economic matters. What they DO want differs greatly among parties, of course. The question is whether people will settle for counter-revolution rather than what they have now, or something more promising.

    I think that will be a hard sell to the building trades and other classically unionized groups, considering they are doing rather much better under Trump. But maybe the upset yuppies will vote for Joe.

    4. Hard to see Joe getting those 20-somethings all hot and bothered. Groping won’t help.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  16. Biden may talk a moderate game, but his party has few moderates left. Unless he’s going to be vetoing Democrat legislation I’d not expect a Biden term to be anything but “progressive.”

    Sure, but hopefully no Republicans in gulags, unlike the Sanders camp.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  17. I wonder if Warren was asked to stay in until Super Tuesday as part of the overall brilliantly timed DNC plan to undermine the Sanders campaign.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  18. I’m surprised this is the case, and am happy about it. Even in a run-off, she should win with this much of a lead. Fingers crossed she wins it on the first ballot.

    Not always. After narrowly losing the 2010 GOP primary, AK Senator Murkowski ran a write-in (!) campaign in the general election against candidates of both parties, and won.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. nk (1d9030) — 3/4/2020 @ 4:18 pm

    And so the true “defeatist element“ unmasks himself, comrades!

    While it would be easy to dismiss his foolishness as an implausible attempt to convince the useful idiots who support our asset in the White House that they still wield some influence over events in their country, it appears Comrade nk may actually believe as much himself!

    (catcalls from the Central Committee mocking Comrade nk)

    Dave (b1bec7)

  20. Not always. After narrowly losing the 2010 GOP primary, AK Senator Murkowski ran a write-in (!) campaign in the general election against candidates of both parties, and won.

    I remember.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  21. Trump will concede the election to Bernie

    If the electoral vote is close enough, a losing Trump could cut a deal with some pissed-off Democrats to elect Bernie in the electoral college.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  22. Trump’s not a communist. He wouldn’t put Bernie in power. He’d take his chances with the sort of Dems he’s cut deals with in the past his whole life.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  23. 21. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 3/4/2020 @ 4:47 pm

    If the electoral vote is close enough, a losing Trump could cut a deal with some pissed-off Democrats to elect Bernie in the electoral college.

    Maybe to throe the election into the House of Representatives, (voting by states) but nothing more.

    Sammy Finkelman (ec94de)

  24. @15 I don’t think it matters to his campaign that Joe isn’t heating up the 20 somethings. If that worked Bernie would have had a much better night. The reality is that the 20 somethings don’t really vote, so it doesn’t matter what they want.

    Nic (896fdf)

  25. I don’t think it matters to his campaign that Joe isn’t heating up the 20 somethings. If that worked Bernie would have had a much better night. The reality is that the 20 somethings don’t really vote, so it doesn’t matter what they want.

    Bernie has over 450 delegates. Of course it matters… in the general.

    You think young Republicans won’t vote for Trump? I assure you they will.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  26. Where does this “if young people would only vote, they would vote for Bernie” stuff come from?

    nk (1d9030)

  27. 3. Biden is essentially running a “back to the status quo ante” movement. Sadly, few in either party want to return to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama consensus on economic matters. What they DO want differs greatly among parties, of course. The question is whether people will settle for counter-revolution rather than what they have now, or something more promising.

    This is why I think Biden’s destined to lose to Trump in a general election (insert my caveat about almost always being wrong about these things). “Let me take you back to when. . .” didn’t work for Walter Mondale in ’84, Bob Dole in ’96, John Kerry in ’04, or Romney in ’12. The way you beat an incumbent is to sell America on a vision forward that appears to be better than the circumstances in which you currently find yourself, like Reagan in ’80 or Clinton in ’92. It goes without saying, of course, that slow economic times come into play a great deal, but Obama proved that they need not be a poison pill in every case. But, again, what the hell do I know.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  28. I wonder if Warren was asked to stay in until Super Tuesday as part of the overall brilliantly timed DNC plan to undermine the Sanders campaign.

    The apparent consensus among Bernie Bros and Babes on Twitter is that is exactly what the DNC cooked up.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  29. “Let me take you back to when. . .”

    According to (magnificent) The Wire, campaigns divide into two camps: “Back to Basics” or “It’s a Bright New Day.”

    It helps a lot when people liked the “basics.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  30. Running around the country screaming ‘Here’s the deal folks, this in the United States of America and we’ve got to take back our country and beat Donald Trump!” is not a vision for the nation’s future.

    Shouting ‘Beating Donald Trump’ in November, 2020 is no more a winning strategy than ‘beating Ronald Reagan’ was in November, 1985, either.

    Remember another fella who was revived from the dead and won his party’s nomination?

    McCain lost.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEpap3TxVs

    “Marvin… what do we do now?” – Bill McKay, [Robert Redford] ‘The Candidate’ 1972

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. The apparent consensus among Bernie Bros and Babes on Twitter is that is exactly what the DNC cooked up.

    The majority of a Party has a right to unite to stop a minority of the Party from taking it over via vote splitting—and Bernie was an Independent for most of his career—so the Bernie Bros and Babes can stuff themselves, loveable Bolsheviks though they are.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  32. Nah, if the commies want to take over, they can try it against the U.S. Military… because this election cycle, they’re well on their way to failing. As much as I dislike the Democratic Party for numerous reasons, they did the country a solid here.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  33. This is why I think Biden’s destined to lose to Trump in a general election (insert my caveat about almost always being wrong about these things). “Let me take you back to when. . .” didn’t work for Walter Mondale in ’84, Bob Dole in ’96, John Kerry in ’04, or Romney in ’12.

    So I guess “Make America Great Again” would be a sure-fire loser too, eh?

    Dave (1bb933)

  34. @31. But that’s not what occurred. This was an orchestrated torpedo job; the pattern and timing of quitters-turned-endorsers who were hell bent on opposing Biden literally a week ago says it all. And the c=screw job done to financial donors, campaign workers, volunteers and supporters is unforgivable. They did it to Sanders in 2016 and they did it to him again in 2020. They like him to caucus w/them and welcome his vote in the Senate, but he’s not a D, and the established powers that be weren’t going to let him pull a Trump on them like he did to the GOP. Per the 2010 census, blacks or African Americans make up just 12.6% of the population, too. And given Biden’s rejection in whiter, hispanic and latino places like Iowa, Nevada and NH, there’s just not enough black votes – even if they all voted D, beyond the traditional South for him to win. But if Clyburn has the power to revive the dead, he belongs in the Vatican– not Congress.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. But that’s not what occurred. This was an orchestrated torpedo job; the pattern and timing of quitters-turned-endorsers who were hell bent on opposing Biden literally a week ago says it all.

    They were in it to win it, or at least advance their priorities into the public consciousness, and, in a brilliant and orchestrated politcal masterstroke, united in their common interest, and the interest of their party, and their country.

    I’m cool with it.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  36. @35. A Trumpster would be– it works. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. it works.

    I’m OK with the anti- (or at least non-) communists in a party uniting to keep a Soviet Union honeymoon-going communist, who didn’t even identify as being a member of their party until it was convenient, out of contention for the Presidency, yeah.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  38. And they basically did it democratically, at least this one maneuver: they dropped out and endorsed whom they preferred to see as their Party’s candidate (not their first choice, obviously: that would be themselves; but not the extreme socialist wing of their party, either).

    Good for them.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  39. I’ll say this about DCSCA…he has some excellent mushrooms.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  40. @38. After running full bore for a year or two and battling through rallies, weather, fund raising, TV interviews, rubber chicken and gawd-awful debates, nobody drops two days or two hours before Super Tuesday unless they’re pressured by the party powers that be and coordinate endorsements and rally accordingly. The Americans who sent $, volunteered their time and energies were the ones who got screwed. Hell, 10 days ago Pete was implying on national TV that Biden was too old for the job. Then he endorses him— probably promised the gig as the next Secretary of Homeland Decoration.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. After running full bore for a year or two and battling through rallies, weather, fund raising, TV interviews, rubber chicken and gawd-awful debates, nobody drops two days or two hours before Super Tuesday unless they’re pressured by the party powers that be and coordinate endorsements and rally accordingly.

    I think I said that’s what happened like five times already.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  42. @41. So Trump is right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. I’ll say this about DCSCA…he has some excellent mushrooms.

    I’d like to use a Breathalyzer on all y’all.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  44. Warren came in third in her home state. That has got to cause some re-evaluation.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  45. So Trump is right.

    Yeah. And he’s making political hay out of it. Obviously, in an election campaign, he’s going to use whatever he’s given to increase his odds of victory. In this case, it’s to drive a wedge between both wings of the Democratic Party. It shouldn’t shock you that this is done in an election campaign.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  46. @45.No, the ‘shock’ is any effort by the DNC to try and hide it. All Trump has to do is ask Vlad to release all the emails and cell calls they have on t.;-)

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. That’s no shock either. It’s a thin veneer so Bernie and/or some of his supporters can save face and/or justify it to themselves later and come together to support the eventual Democratic Party nominee against Trump.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  48. Obviously, in an election campaign, he’s going to use whatever he’s given to increase his odds of victory.

    AaaHaaaa…!!! There’s that three/four/five dimensional chess gland master (see what I did there?) that the cult believes in with all their beating lil’ hearts.

    THE thing that would increase his odds of winning would be to stop being the disgusting thug he has been for long decades.

    He can’t. It’s just who he chose to be.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  49. I’m sure that Donald Trump would be well served by taking political and other victory lessens from you, Ragspierre.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  50. There’s that three/four/five dimensional chess gland master

    It’s actually a really simple strategy that almost everyone understands, and that every single person here understands, including you.

    Yet you like to argue for the sake of arguing, I’ve noticed. It’s who you are and I respect that.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  51. In the end, no matter who dropped and who they endorsed, the Dem voters had to make their own choice and Bernie wasn’t it. And while I realize that that is probably shocking for any of the megalomaniacs who run for President, it is the reality. Bernie. Just. Didn’t. Get. The. Votes.

    Nic (896fdf)

  52. What Nic said.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  53. I’m sure that Donald Trump would be well served by taking political and other victory lessens from you, Ragspierre.

    Yep. So would you. And it doesn’t have to be from me. There are millions of good people who know how to live good lives.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  54. You are so full of yourself, it’s funny.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  55. It’s actually a really simple strategy that almost everyone understands…

    Yes. The “be a decent person” strategy is pretty universally known. Lots of people even work at living it.

    Then there are those like Duh Donald. I don’t doubt that he was bent by his daddy or someone, but he decides to be the thug he is every day. It’s all on him.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  56. You are so full of yourself, it’s funny.

    And just who are you full of? And what kind of kinky relationship is THAT?

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  57. And just who are you full of? And what kind of kinky relationship is THAT?

    You literally can’t keep yourself from the juvenile replies and language, Ragspierre, this time an allusion to anal sex and homosexuality.

    You’re weird, man.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  58. You literally can’t keep yourself from the juvenile replies and language, Ragspierre, this time an allusion to anal sex and homosexuality.

    Dude, that’s in your head. Entirely.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  59. Not entirely off-topic.
    — What is the difference between Jeff Sessions and a mosquito?
    — The mosquito stops sucking when you slap it.
    https://twitter.com/jeffsessions?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    If the link works … you will notice that Sessions still has his adulatory tweet and campaign ad pinned on top, despite Trump sh!tting all over him this morning.

    nk (1d9030)

  60. Ha.

    Good find.

    F— that guy.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  61. And those panhandlers want to make laws for the rest of us?

    nk (1d9030)

  62. @51. The issue is really when and how those who were still in a week ago suddenly “quit.” There really isn’t any excuse to drop out before ‘Super Tuesday’ at that point– certainly until the electorate voted- unless they were pressured by the powers that be. It likely influenced the ‘day of’ vote. Poly-Sci-nerds will pour over those numbers for sure and compare them w/t ‘banked’ votes– in CA for example. You’ll read about it some day in a memoir or two.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. So I guess “Make America Great Again” would be a sure-fire loser too, eh?

    The examples I cited were all situations when someone was trying to unseat an incumbent. As you know it was an open election four years ago without no incumbent on the ticket. In those situations it almost always comes down to fatigue with the previous President’s party.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  64. Ben Shapiro
    @benshapiro
    ·
    Chuck Schumer’s comments on the Supreme Court today demonstrate that while the media and Democrats insist that Trump murdered American political norms, he was actually just the coroner who declared them dead.
    _

    harkin (b64479)

  65. There really isn’t any excuse to drop out before ‘Super Tuesday’ at that point– certainly until the electorate voted- unless they were pressured by the powers that be.

    How about stopping a Soviet-Union honeymooning communist from being a Presidential candidate and/or destroying the Democratic Party?

    And yeah, no doubt the Party elites applied some arm-twisting and/or offered incentives.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  66. F— that guy.

    See? You could easily benefit from just letting go of all that hate and perversion. It might take some effort, but the rewards would be tremendous!

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  67. They probably know they have an, at best, one out of three chance of winning it with Joe, but that’s better for them than a one in ten chance of winning it with Bernie, not to mention him destroying the country.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  68. As you know, it’s basically a wise guy mob reference, but whatever, Ragspierre. I would not want you to stop your schtick now. Just getting to know you, big guy, that’s all.

    Make America Ordered Again (6a3f87)

  69. “There’s been a plethora of endorsements I haven’t even asked for.”– Joe Biden

    Gee. No kidding. Figured out yet why, Joe?

    Or are you just lying. Again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. As you know, it’s basically a wise guy mob reference

    Again, see the thug rubbing off on you? Fight the urge to be a lousy person like Duh Donald. You CAN be better.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  71. @62 I don’t think that it is the issue. Maybe there was pressure from the DNC, maybe Biden’s campaign called them up and said “Hey, I have a place for your guy in my admin if they back off now.” Maybe Jimmy Carter called them all up and did a peace-making session. I don’t know and neither do you, but in the end, that’s politics. The voters then had to make their choice. There were plenty of choices left, they certainly could have gone to Bloomberg or Warren or Bernie instead of Biden. Probably a fair number of Pete’s people went to Bernie and probably a fair number of Klobachar’s went to Bloomberg. No one had any obligation to follow their candidate’s endorsement.

    Nic (896fdf)

  72. DCSCA, you most likely remember Sarah Palin’s $150,000 shopping spree with campaign cash. Trump renting office space to his campaign? His campaign paying for his private planes? And that’s the barest tip of the iceberg.

    These mopes don’t lose anything by campaigning. They’re being wined and dined, feted and feasted, clothed and groomed, elevated and celebrated, by their supporters. If they also win the grand prize, that’s a bonus.

    nk (1d9030)

  73. Patterico’s boss is down to 50.14% in the most recent returns.

    There are just over 1M votes, so .14% is about 1500 votes.

    It’s unclear how many more votes remain to be counted; I guess there would be some vote by mail and provisional.

    Dave (1bb933)

  74. What a great post, JVW.

    Dana (4fb37f)

  75. Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/4/2020 @ 7:24 pm

    The “be a decent person” strategy is pretty universally known. Lots of people even work at living it.

    Gerald Ford did.

    While it wasn’t enough for him to win the 1976 election – because people want more – it is definitely better for anyone than not doing it. People want the decisions he makes to be right, though, too, and merely being decent isn’t enough to do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  76. 71. Nic (896fdf) — 3/4/2020 @ 7:55 pm

    Maybe Jimmy Carter called them all up and did a peace-making session.

    It was Barack Obama, but only after they’d been considerably softened up.

    There were plenty of choices left, they certainly could have gone to Bloomberg or Warren or Bernie instead of Biden. Probably a fair number of Pete’s people went to Bernie and probably a fair number of Klobachar’s went to Bloomberg. No one had any obligation to follow their candidate’s endorsement.

    A considerable portion of the people planing to vote for Bloomberg voted for Biden instead, because his chances now looked better. This can be detected i the difference between the states with more early voting, like Colorado and Utah, and those with less, plus anecdotes. And this affected Bloomberg;s decision to quit – and he was getting opportuned too.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  77. Shouting ‘Beating Donald Trump’ in November, 2020 is no more a winning strategy than ‘beating Ronald Reagan’ was in November, 1985

    It was particularly useless in 1985, a year after the election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  78. @77. It was useless in 1980, too. But LOL, oh my. A typo/gaffe! Well call me Joe Biden and run me for CIC!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  79. @77. PS, Trump Tip: if you use a Sharpie, a 5 can be a 4. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. @71. You don’t ‘quit’ 48 hours before ‘Super Tuesday’ after slugging it out for 12 to 18 months w/o some kind of pressure from above. It clearly affects the ‘day of’ vote count–lots of voters were pissed their ‘banked votes’ were wasted on quitters and denied any chance of voting for a viable candidate. nd I totally screws over the campaign volunteers and money donors.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. Have you ever heard of this thing called “prioritizing,” DCSCA?

    Their party was about to be taken over by a Soviet Union-honeymooning Communist whose volunteer and paid campaign staff were talking about re-educating folks in gulags, not to mention would have lost massively in the general election, and they said to Hell with that.

    I don’t know how to explain it to you better than this. If it bothers you, too bad, so sad, and cry me a river.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  82. @76 Is make joke. Ancient Jimmy and his habit of sticking his nose into things. 😛

    @80 Like I said, that’s politics. It’s also the chance you take if you vote early. I didn’t vote early because of the possibility of roster changes.

    Nic (896fdf)

  83. I didn’t vote early because of the possibility of roster changes.

    I voted early, and the person I voted for dropped out the day before.

    If I’d waited, the person I would have voted for dropped out the day after.

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other…

    Dave (1bb933)

  84. I won’t vote early, even though the person I will vote for in my primary will lose, and I’ll know that going in. Why? Everyone should vote on the same day with the same information, unless they have a damn good reason. Then they can vote the day before.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  85. But LOL, oh my. A typo/gaffe!

    Yeah, I knew that. But still.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  86. @82. No, Nic, that’s not ‘politics.’ You don’t go on a nationally televised debate, literally a few days before a major slew of major primaries, solicit support and financial donations after running for 8, 9, 12, 14 months, slam your opponent — then suddenly “quit” just a day or two later before the primaries endorse the very numbskull you were attacking 72 hours earlier, affecting the ‘day of’ vote– and rendering banked votes wasted. There’s another word for that. This is one of the reasons why these major parties are driving members away and discouraging participation. It’s the sort of ploy that makes Putin smile.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. @81. C’mon, MAOA. Don’t be so simplistic. NH,Vermont, Nevada, California voters, etc., aren’t blue states full of Reds. It falls on deaf ears- people are smarter than that. Enough to know to hold their nose and for vote for a crook and give him a second term because in their immediate world, the mrket is up and the economy is thriving.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. @86 They always endorse one of the numbskulls they were attacking 72 hrs earlier and for the most part we haven’t had early voting, so the history of people dropping out wouldn’t have the same effect that it had this time, but strategic dropping out has always happened. IMO the reason parties are dropping members because they keep promising things that they can’t do and actually would be a bed idea to do so their promises aren’t met (which is probably good for the country most of the time.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  89. @86. They always endorse one of the numbskulls they were attacking 72 hrs earlier…

    Not always– ask Ted Cruz. This was a party pressure ploy. But agree, parties are dropping members for failure to deliver along w/shenanigans like this coordinated ‘quit’ scam. You just don’t pull this sort of stunt hours before a slew of primaries. At least Bloomberg had the sense to wait until Wednesday, after the vote tally, to cash out.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. Tulsi gabbard got a delegate from american samoa and is eligible for next debate if d.n.c. doesn’t change the rules.

    corona virus (6812f1)

  91. Per the 2010 census, blacks or African Americans make up just 12.6% of the population, too. And given Biden’s rejection in whiter, hispanic and latino places like Iowa, Nevada and NH, there’s just not enough black votes – even if they all voted D, beyond the traditional South for him to win.

    Yes, but there seems to something of a mantra in conservative circles about the black vote either sitting home or going up to 30+ % for Trump. I think the recent Biden maneuver was a strategy to avoid the sick-out they saw in the old rust belt cities in 2016 and also bring up the black vote in some southern states (and urban/east Texas) to 2018 levels. If Biden was assassination insurance in 2008, he is also RedPill antidote in 2020.

    If this stratagem succeeds to the point that Biden-? is kicking arse out of the DNC, then certainly a Haley VP play can happen. If that kind of “brown” dont bite and the groypers have already left the rally, he could make opaque and even open panders to the other brown in addition to the hard Sanderites.

    urbanleftbehind (2d3d05)

  92. Yes, but there seems to something of a mantra in conservative circles about the black vote either sitting home or going up to 30+ % for Trump

    Particularly dumbarse conservative voters say this every election.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  93. Anybody know (with links, please) what’s going on with Michelle Malkin? I picked some vibe that she’s gone tapioca.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  94. I think there’s a smidge of truth there in Trumps case, although the black voter ideal world might be Democratic institutional control and safety net plus the lower overall immigration (both low skill and high skill suchbthat those terms correspond to particular ethnicities) policies of Trump.

    urbanleftbehind (2d3d05)

  95. Cross reference Malkin with groypers, Rags…are you saying shes also taking skin whitener pills like Sammy Sosa?

    urbanleftbehind (2d3d05)

  96. Michelle Malkin is a mensch and patriotic. She is America First and honest, supporting the free speech principles America was founded on.

    She would make an excellent VP.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  97. Thanks for the info, urban.

    What a shame.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  98. She would make an excellent VP dominatrix in an establishment catering to very specialized fetishes.

    nk (1d9030)

  99. She is America First and honest, supporting the free speech principles America was founded on.

    Well, she’s certainly exercising her free speech principles.

    Always her prerogative to burn down her well-earned reputation by throwing in with a bunch of racist kooks.

    Your approbation would explain much. That whole “ordered” thing takes on a much darker aspect.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  100. …are you saying shes also taking skin whitener pills like Sammy Sosa?

    Ha! No, the reference to “going tapioca” is a euphemism for going nuts. Remember The Rockford Files?

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  101. Born in 73, didnt quite catch its apex, great intro, car and premise.

    urbanleftbehind (c144cd)

  102. I have a leather jacket older than you!

    >gloom<

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  103. Kevin D. Williamson isn’t much of a Biden fan…

    He is a vicious self-serving political hack, for one thing, one whose ambition leads him from time to time into shocking indecency. You may have heard that Biden lost his wife and daughter in a horrifying drunk-driving wreck, the fault of a monster of a man who irresponsibly “drank his lunch,” as Biden puts it.

    Never happened.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-not-a-socialist-just-a-scoundrel/

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  104. It’s true! Putin is interfering in the Democratic primary to help Bernie! https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-calls-warren-selfish-for-staying-in-2020-democratic-contest

    nk (1d9030)

  105. Trumps gonna want the HR head at Fox fired….how the hell does a “Blitzer” even get a first interview?

    urbanleftbehind (c144cd)

  106. Michelle Malkin is a mensch and patriotic. She is America First and honest, supporting the free speech principles America was founded on. She would make an excellent VP.

    Yep. she’s a class act. One of the good guys.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  107. I find it hardly remarkable that one of the most flagrant liars here also luuuurrrvvvvs him some crazy and racist.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  108. In other news, McConnell plans to “Rip” Schumer for threatening the lives of two Supreme Court Justices. Some Conservatives are cheering this, not understanding that Mitch is actually trying to help Schumer by heading off a censure vote.

    What schumer did is unheard of. A Senate minority leader demanding 2 SCOTUS judges vote his way, or they will “Pay”. Schumer then attacked Justice Roberts as biased and “Right wing” for demanding an apology. Of course, the Republicans don’t want to fight over this, since they don’t want to fight over ANYTHING, that their donors don’t pay them to do.

    Had the positions been reversed, we’d have Never Trumpers and Democrats screeching to high heaven that any Republican who threatened Ginsburg should resign or apologize Immediately. This shows once again that all the left wing, never trumper OUTRAGE is fake, fake, fake.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  109. In other news, McConnell plans to “Rip” Schumer for threatening the lives of two Supreme Court Justices.

    I’d ask if there’s someone stupid enough to actually believe that, but…

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  110. @72. nk, the Palin problem was an RNC burden well after the convention and ticket was named. She wasn’t even an issue or candidate in the primaries– when, if you recall, McCain was at the financial point of lugging his own luggage through airports before revived.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. @107. Step away from the bong; she was, in fact, a dumpster diver in Hollywood.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. Sure. I only used it as an example of how their campaigns are these people’s meal-tickets.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. @97. See #107. Just like Matt Drudge.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. @81. You’ll find Russian infiltration nesting in the GOP’s favorite cash register, the NRA, not the DNC, comrade.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Ivana preceded Butyna by 40 years.

    nk (1d9030)

  116. R.I.P. Bobbie Battista, original anchor, CNN.

    Just 67. Fade to black…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. A typo/gaffe!

    I would have left a comment about it, but then I studied the record, and it seems like you made it only one time. I checked one other thread, too. Thought I read it more than once.

    One time: I didn’t know for sure ff you were trying to say something by saying 1985 instead of 1984. somehow made a mistake, or if you didn’t notice that typo.

    U.S. Presidential elections take place in years divisible by four.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  118. I have to agree with DCSCA, this is party politics, plain and simple. The DNC, the major donors, power brokers and super-delegates got the word out through back channels and cigar-smoke-filled rooms that Biden was their guy. It’s “his turn.” They let it be known they were not going to nominate Sanders. They didn’t in 2016, and they won’t in 2020.

    Something similar goes on in the RNC, major donors and power brokers, except the Republicans don’t have super-delegates. Still, the game is the same. That’s why Dole was nominated; it was “his turn.” It’s the reason why McCain was nominated. In between there was GW Bush; he was like Republican royalty, but at least he had been a successful governor of Texas, and he’s the only one who won.

    The Republicans took a flyer on Romney in 2012, thinking he could beat Obama but mostly because they thought his health care plan, which the Affordable Care Act was based on, would win them points with seniors. It didn’t, and he lost.

    So then the RNC went rogue and nominated Trump, over several far more qualified candidates, in the fear of a Hillary presidency. It was “her turn.”

    He barely won the electoral college and massively lost the popular vote. He is a complete incompetent, who has no idea of what he’s doing. Governing is beyond his capacity.

    Yet this is what the RNC has given us, and they won’t even allow primary challengers. Meanwhile, deficit spending is spiraling out of control, the national debt is rapidly becoming insurmountable, and the economy is on the verge of a total collapse due to tariffs and trade wars. And not because of the coronavirus.

    The DNC has decided it’s going to be Biden. The RNC has insisted it’s going to be Trump. Despite the failures of both.

    This is why the two-party system is injurious to the country at large. We end up with Trump and Biden, neither of which is acceptable as a leader of a free country.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  119. Raymond Burr played Joe Friday’s boss in the first episode of Dragnet. Why do I have to find these things out for myself? Nobody tells me anything.

    nk (1d9030)

  120. 120.Raymond Burr played Joe Friday’s boss in the first episode of Dragnet Why do I have to find these things out for myself? Nobody tells me anything…

    DRAG-net?

    You do know Burr was gay.

    Now you’ve been told. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. Regarding 2020’s version of Proposition 13, the producers of the Saved By The Bell Reboot have seen the future. This is why our esteemed master of whatabout, Narciso, was skeptical of the ol’ school vouchers and in turn, Betsey DeVos.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  122. https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/biden-promises-give-11-million-illegal-aliens-pathway-us-citizenship

    The commie-lite Biden promising to overwhelm American citizens at the ballot box.

    NJRob (31c144)

  123. https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/05/trump-daca-dreamers-plan-senate-republicans/

    Looks like both sides are headed in the same direction, Rob

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  124. On that note, maybe DCSCA was trying to tell us something re fealty to southern black voters (at the presumed expense of other blocs). Its weird but one could argue that disgraced former Gov. Rod Blagoyevich’s 2002 primary coalition was Sanders-ian – working-class and downstate whites plus HDO hispanics, but fortunate that the “Biden” coalition was split between Roland Burris (black ex-state official) and Paul Vallas (more of a goo-goo neoliberal who had chaired the Chicago Public Schools under Daley the younger).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  125. Not remotely what your article says Ragspierre. It’s mostly speculation and wait and see. Mine is directly from Biden’s mouth and also includes every illegal here which is much larger than even the 11 million in the article.

    NJRob (31c144)

  126. Well, Rob, hasn’t Duh Donald flirted for years with DREAMERS?

    Trump promised to end DACA during his 2016 White House bid, but since entering office, he has been hesitant to outright end the program, which does receive bipartisan support. He still sought to do so, however, in order to gain an advantage over Democrats while negotiating additional immigration reforms, including funding requests for the southern border wall.

    Yes or no, please.

    Biden can talk big about alllllll kinds of crap. That ain’t a-doin’, is it?

    Seems I recall a butt-load of boob-bait from the Orange Racoon. Just about none has materialized.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  127. Trump is trying to lump it in with new limitations on legal immigration. A few, like ending the visa lottery, they would, but only in exchange for raising legal immigration elsewhere. Meanwhile he’s in court trying to cancel the program, and raising the periodic fees recipients of DACA have to pay.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  128. “Yes or no, please.”
    Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/5/2020 @ 1:35 pm

    If you could only take No for an answer.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/trump-administration-tells-supreme-court-it-owns-termination-of-daca-program/2019/11/12/2ac4f4ea-0545-11ea-b17d-8b867891d39d_story.html

    And, who was VP when DACA became policy?

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  129. Marilyn, I can’t read behind a pay wall (as I expect you know).

    We also know what I’m saying about your man-crush is true.

    Biden was VP during the Baracula regime. That don’t mean he legalizes millions of illegals.

    Does it?

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  130. Mark Steyn, substituting for Rush, thinks that the plan, or hope, is that the Vice Presidential candidate can take over for Biden after about January 27, 2023 – just after two years of Biden’s term have passed – so he can remain in office for up to two and a half presidential terms or 10 years. Biden only has to hold out two years, and it’ll be good for them.

    They wouldn’t want a new president before two years, though, because then he’s limited to one term, like Ford was, (because Ford lost the 1976 election, but only because he lost, he could have run for president or vice president in 1980) and not too much after, since the successor would not have much of the advantage of incumbency if it was too much after January 20. 2023.

    (And I suppose, if Biden remains in office and gets re-elected, it’s hope Biden holds out until two years of his second term have passed.)

    That is just somebody’s thinking, but it might be a selling point for taking the vice presidency anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  131. “Biden was VP during the Baracula regime. That don’t mean he legalizes millions of illegals.
    Does it?”
    Ragspierre (d9bec9) — 3/5/2020 @ 1:55 pm

    I guess we’ve established that both sides are not “headed in the same direction”, which is why you’re now blowing smoke.

    Munroe (dd6b64)

  132. @125. You know Clyburn is whispering in Joe’s ear… Masseur Joe, I done saved your bacon; now you gots to retool and pick you-self a younger sister to run with— cause I sez so…

    Kamila Harris.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. I guess we’ve established that both sides are not “headed in the same direction”, which is why you’re now blowing smoke.

    Well, if you think that legalizing millions of DREAMERs…which will have bipartisan support with t-rump behind it…and Biden blowing smoke isn’t “headed in the same direction”, I guess you are an open-borders squish.

    Seems like the same direction to this conservative.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  134. Sure he’s flirted with dreamers which I disapprove of. However he also does this

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/trump-says-government-will-withhold-federal-funding-to-sanctuary-cities/

    which I greatly approve of.

    Who else has taken the bull by the horns in the Republican party when it comes to the invasion of our borders?

    NJRob (4d595c)

  135. Anything goes when it comes to h–s, ’cause Pimpin’ ain’t easy:

    http://news.yahoo.com/melania-trump-rare-foray-onto-202924121.html

    urbanleftbehind (c144cd)

  136. Rob, that’s a point in your favor.

    I will point out that we can’t know what a Cruz would be doing about now.

    Ragspierre (d9bec9)

  137. We don’t know what Cruz would’ve done. He never got the opportunity to put his policies into place and I wish he would’ve come out with them more forcefully before Trump’s train got rolling and Kasich ran interference against Cruz. I supported Cruz in the primaries and support him still.

    I think Cruz has a solid foundation and stalwart conservative beliefs. He’s also a politician. Take that as you will.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  138. 138.We don’t know what Cruz would’ve done.

    America and Trumpsters know what he did at the convention when he refused to endorse the party’s nominee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  139. It seems like the primary election process can tolerate six to eight (6-8) serious candidates or more, or two (2) candidates, but not a number in between.

    And sometimes it can’t take two but only one.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  140. Friday’s update on the LA District Attorney race:

    JACKIE LACEY (N) 615,864 50.00%
    GEORGE GASCÓN (N) 337,962 27.44%
    RACHEL A. ROSSI (N) 277,933 22.56%

    Yikes.

    Dave (1bb933)

  141. According to that, Lacey is below the 50% threshold by a mere 31 votes.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  142. (That’s what it would take for her to tie. 32 more votes to win. So recount, I assume, before a run-off?)

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)

  143. The results are not certified until 30 days after the election. After that, a request for a recount must be submitted within five days.

    The run-off, if necessary, would be in November.

    Dave (1bb933)

  144. It would the good kind of “pointless runoff” even if the Rossi voters coalesce 100 per cent to Gascon, I cant see that the infusion of R voters in the general would not pick Lacey. In a weird way, it is to the best interest of Lacey for Trump to run well and that some of the competitive house races have territory in LA County. On that note it would be a kick in the pants if Mike Garcia (R) won the Katie hill seat and a lot of those voters picked Gascon out of ethnic solidarity.

    urbanleftbehind (cb8e5f)

  145. The odds should greatly favor Lacey in any runoff.

    Make America Ordered Again (23f793)


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