Labor Day Weekend: Shooting Deaths in West Texas And Chicago
[guest post by Dana]
The West Texas shooting comes just a month after the mass shooting in El Paso:
A man who was pulled over by Texas troopers shot at them with a rifle and sped away, setting off a terrifying rampage that ended with seven victims and the shooter dead, police said.
After he opened fire during a traffic stop Saturday in Midland, the gunman drove on the streets and the highway, spraying bullets randomly at residents and motorists.
He then hijacked a postal truck and ditched his gold Honda, shooting at people as he made his way into Odessa about 20 miles away. There, police confronted him in a movie theater parking lot and killed him in a shootout.
About 20 people were also injured. Those included a 17-month-old girl and three law enforcement officers, hospital and police officials said.
As of this morning, one victim is still in critical condition, three are determined to be in serious condition and seven are in fair condition.
You can read how the Democratic candidates reacted to the Texas shooting here. In a nutshell, all are calling for more action on gun control. This comes after Beto O’Rourke confirmed yesterday his “buy-back” plan:
Beto O’Rourke said he would implement a sweeping government buy-back policy for two types of assault rifles, including one commonly used in mass shootings across the US, if he were elected president in 2020.
The Texas Democrat responded to questions on the campaign trail Saturday in Charlottesville, Virginia, about concerns the government would take assault weapons away from gun owners.
According to a Buzzfeed News reporter, he said: “I want to be really clear that that’s exactly what we are going to do.” The candidate later shared that quote on Twitter, adding: “We need to buy back every single assault weapon.”
Anyone who owns an AK-47 or AR-15 will “have to sell them to the government,” he added.
Mr O’Rourke, whose mandatory buyback programme is a part of his comprehensive gun control plan, has also called for a ban on assault-style guns and high capacity magazines, which he has also said would be required to be sold to the US government under his administration.
In Chicago this weekend, it’s an awful thing to say but it was indeed business as usual:
More than two dozen people have been shot in Chicago so far this Labor Day weekend, according to Chicago police. This comes as police announce the lowest number of murders and shootings in the city since August 2011.
Police shared statistics on crime reduction for the month of August at 2:40 a.m. They say overall violent crime is down 15 percent compared to the same month one year ago. Murders fell by 23 percent compared to August 2018, police said, and shootings were reduced by 19 percent.
A teenage boy was shot to death in the city’s Austin neighborhood… The 15-year-old was found on the sidewalk around 2:20 a.m. with gunshot wounds to the back and legs.
A 27-year-old man was killed 25 minutes later in a shooting in the West Woodlawn neighborhood. The 27-year-old man and a 34-year-old woman were at a party in a residence in the 6100 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue when someone opened fire… The man was pronounced dead at the scene. The woman was shot in the foot and took herself to St. Bernard Hospital. She was listed in good condition…
Another man was killed in a drive-by shooting just before 4 a.m., police said. Two men in a car in the 5100 block of South Pulaski Road were struck by gunfire from a passing car. One man, a 38-year-old, was shot in the chest, abdomen and hand. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in serious condition…The other man, whose age and identity were not known, was pronounced dead at the scene…
Another drive-by shooting happened in the 3200 block of West 66th Street just before 7 a.m., police said. A 29-year-old was the passenger in a car when a white Chrysler carrying three men pulled up alongside of him and the person in the back seat began firing shots. The victim was shot in the chest…
About 40 minutes later, a 28-year-old man was shot in the 1900 block of West Ogden Avenue…was listed in critical condition…
A shooting led to a crash on the Dan Ryan Expressway shortly before 8 a.m. A driver who had been shot crashed into an IDOT Minuteman truck…unclear whether the driver was shot on the expressway or somewhere else, police said.
I don’t know whether this would have made a difference or not, but in announcing their Labor Day Safety Plan on Friday, Chicago P.D. said they were going to be deploying less additional officers than last year:
Chicago police will deploy an additional 1,000 officers to combat gun violence over the Labor Day weekend.
That’s down from 1,400 last year, and it’s also less than were deployed over Memorial Day weekend and the Fourth of July holiday.
Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson said numbers are trending down when it comes to shootings.
Note: Last Labor Day weekend, four people were killed and 23 wounded in Chicago.
Prayers for all of the victims’ families grieving the loss of their loved ones.
(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)
–Dana
It’s notable that Beto does not address Second Amendment protections, nor do any of the candidates in their remarks.
Dana (fdf131) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:56 amInteresting that this one dropped off the newscycle:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-teens-shot-high-school-football-game-alabama/story?id=65309106
No one died and the captured shooter doesn’t fit the narrative
Angelo (f5d5fc) — 9/1/2019 @ 10:38 amDoesn’t Chicago have strict Gun Control laws? YES!
“To legally possess or purchase firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police.”
AND
Chicago has banned the possession of certain semi-automatic firearms that it defines as assault weapons, as well as laser sights.Chicago residents must “immediately” report a firearm that is stolen or lost, and must report the transfer of a firearm within 48 hours of such transfer. In a home where a person younger than 18 is present, all guns must be secured with a trigger lock, or stored in a locked container, or secured to the body of the legal owner.
rcocean (1a839e) — 9/1/2019 @ 10:58 amLooks like the shooters aren’t obeying the guy laws. Imagine that!
rcocean (1a839e) — 9/1/2019 @ 10:58 amWe still don’t know the identity of the shooter or have any clue as to why he did that, but thiis would make the most sense if, for some reason, he felt he would be arrested and get a life sentence or worse.
It would make the most sense if he had killed someone before, that day. Or was an escaped prisoner.
After the first shootings (at the police) he felt he was doomed, and that all other shootings and killings were “free.” He maybe wanted the police to be sorry they stopped him.
Needless to say, I don’t think this person had any kind of belief in God or in any kind of accounting or judgement, at any rate.
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 11:07 amChicago has strict laws, but it doesn’t have strict enforcement. And the guns come in from downstate Illlinois and other places.
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 11:08 amGun punks and gun molls. They really are a thing. If you’re a prohibited person who cannot buy a gun in the first place and will face five to fifteen if caught with one, you get an non-prohibited person to buy it and to carry it for you until you ask for it.
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 11:16 amThese nut cases going on these shooting sprees better not cost me my right to hunt.
mg (8cbc69) — 9/1/2019 @ 11:37 amBut in Chicago, they really don’t get 5 to 15 years for merely posessing a gun. Maybe not even one year. In 2010 the New York Times reported, there was a maximum 3 month jail sentence for first offenders. (somewhat longer for the state law)
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html
That’s why there’s so much more shooting in Chicago than in New York.
In New York they really have to be careful not to carry the guns with them, or have someone else with a lower penalty keep them, and that includes people under the age of 18. And there used to be more stop and frisk (for guns)
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 11:50 amChicago’s, or say better Illinois’s, gun laws and court system are very different from New York’s, Sammy. The State of Illinois has preempted almost all of Chicago’s gun laws. You’d need to be the mayor’s nephew (or a black, gay actor) to have the state charges dropped and be prosecuted only for having a laser sight on your pistol (the Chicago offense), and it would still be in the same court which tries murders, the Circuit Court of Cook County. We don’t have municipal courts.
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:14 pmI think that’s more indicative of Skippy’s campaign,
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/01/beto-orourke-drops-f-bomb-live-cnn-interview/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:18 pmUnlike most other mass shootings, which are often targeted, this one appears to be random, more like a crazed shooting spree, prompted by who knows what.
I continue to believe that in the mass shooting in Las Vegas the country music concert was not the intended target. There are certain things about that event that don’t make sense. For instance, the shooter had left hundreds of rounds of ammo and explosives in his car in the garage. In other words, he hadn’t finished setting up his attack. Apparently, he was planning on placing the explosives on the fuel tanks across from the venue, for maximum carnage at a later event, probably Halloween, when the streets would have been more crowded.
So, what I think happened that ill-fated night is that he was setting up his hotel room for a practice run; he was calculating trajectories. No one suspected him, and he had every reason to believe he could continue with his nefarious plot. Had he been able to complete his set up, place the explosives on the fuel tanks and fully stock his attack room, the resulting onslaught would have been far worse. He did have laser guided sights with scopes on several of his rifles, suggesting that his plan was to shoot the explosives, causing the fuel tanks to explode, then begin firing on the crowded streets. The reason why I believe has was planning the attack for Halloween is because of the symbolic effect of a terror event.
But he made a mistake in his practice run; he blocked the elevator. That alerted hotel security. As he was calculating trajectories, he heard a stairway door slam shut. He checked his surveillance cameras and looked out the peep hole on his door, and saw security guards going dorr to door down the hall. That’s when he opened fire, started shooting at everything and anyone. It was a panic attack more than anything else. He didn’t want to be exposed before he completed his master plan, and so he lashed out in a rage.
That’s what I think happened in this case. We have no knowledge of the shooter or of the weapons used, but clearly he didn’t take well to being pulled over for a traffic violation. Why he started shooting is unknown, but he continued his spree for miles and miles. Hijacking a postal truck? That is bizarre, because postal trucks don’t have very much horsepower; they’re generally slow moving, unless it was intended for camouflage so he could continue his shooting spree.
None of this makes any sense. But then none of them do. Most other mass shootings are targeted, whether it’s at a school or church or mall. This one is random.
To my mind, it’s another panic attack, just like in Las Vegas. The why may never be known.
Idiots like Beto think it’s about gun control. It’s not. Guns are not the problem, people are. It is an extension of the loss of the nuclear family, but also of the extended family, that has contributed to this culture of death.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:29 pmThe ‘yes, but what about over there…’ argument again…
Twice within a month in a proud, ‘open-carry’ state festooned w/firearms, a mass shooting tragedy has occurred. And today, more laws loosening the already liberal restrictions to same there go into effect. The ‘good guys with guns’ sales pitch is a fallacy in the real world; it was clear plenty of ‘good guys’ had time to take aim— with their smartphones, and shoot video of the guy.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:34 pmNothing personal, but I would support a buyback DCSCA effort. Just make it stop.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:43 pm12. That explanation as to when the Las Vegas shooter went ahead woth his killing spree makes sense – it should a warning to law enforcement that if something is what you;re most worried about, investigating it might precipitate it. (that also applies to such things as “red flag” laws. Invoking it could precipitate a suicide, or worse. I don’t know why people don’t instinctively understand that. )
The Texas highway killer clearly couldn’t have planned to do what he did just when he did it – it was precipitated by the traffic stop, but why that should have given him the cue is not clear. With Las Vegas, OK if he didn’t do something no, he would never be able to do it, but whawas he afraid that the police knew? Did he kill someone at home?
The death toll went up to 7 because some wounded people died. I think the stories that say 8, include the killer in the death toll.
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:43 pmwell it’s ransom of red chief, who would have him, criminals don’t abide by the rules, gah,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:50 pmNot much information on the Midland shooter, just that he was a 36-year old loser from Odessa.
Paul Montagu (a2342d) — 9/1/2019 @ 12:59 pm@8. Once upon a time, and not too long ago, you could buy a ticket, get handed a boarding pass, go through passport control and voila, board a 747 bound from NY to Paris. That’s all. Simple. It once really was ‘the friendly skies.’
No more.
How many people have tried or successfully hijacked airplanes– maybe 500, tops. Yet those few, those ‘500’ forced a complete and total change in the character and quality of air travel, costing billions of dollars and inconveniencing the tens of millions who travel– people who’d never even think of trying to hijack a plane– and simply travel or conduct domestic and international commerce. We’ve accepted layers of security and assorted checks, re-checks and restrictions on everything from shampoo to key rings which has made air travel for those who choose to fly a fairly miserable experience today– and it hasn’t stopped hijacking completely— but it has greatly reduced it. Modern society made the decision to accept inconveniencing the many to protect everyone from the few. There’s always the convenience of the train for domestic travel; and for hunters– the bow and arrow.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:00 pmBeto’s also gone all-in on his support of the Green New Deal, which would put about half the people in Midland-Odessa out of jobs and tank what’s currently the second or third hottest jobs market in the nation. So I really don’t think he’s going to bond all that well with the two communities as a result of Saturday’s shootings — more likely, he’s just going to irk people there, who see them using Midland-Odessa as a situational prop that he’d otherwise want to throw under the all-electric Green bus.
John (c7bcb1) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:01 pm“criminals don’t abide by the rules”
No need for laws, I guess.
Davethulhu (fe4242) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:16 pmCan you use a 747 in self defense? If you can’t, the analogy is flawed.
Kishnevi (8d3389) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:18 pm“Guns are not the problem, people are.”
What’s different about the people of the US, compared to other first world countries.
Davethulhu (fe4242) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:27 pm@21. Harrison Ford did- See ‘Air Force One‘ for details. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:33 pmHow many gun-related laws that are not strictly enforced do we need to pass before we realize that another law on the books is not the answer?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:35 pm23… REALITY: give it a try.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:36 pm24… on the other hand… https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/we-must-take-effective-steps-to-reduce-gun-violence/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:45 pm@25. Nothing personal, but ‘kamikazes’ –give’em a try.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 1:50 pmThe gunman’s name is now published. A 36-year-old man from Ector County (where Odessa is) named Seth Ator, So people can search with that name for more information.
He was pulled over for “failure to signal” but, although a search of his driver’s license would reveal some criminal history, there was no active warrant for him at the time of the traffic stop.
He had a previous criminal record, going back to 2001, for trespassing and evading arrest, which is not telling you much, except for that resisting arrest part.
FBI agents were executing a federal search warrant at a home linked to him they said at apress conference today.
When say they victims ranged in age from 15 to 57 years old I think that means only people kiled, He used what they called an assault rifle type weapon. They were looking for two gunman at first but that’s because he fired from two different vehicles – his Toyota and later a stolen mail truck. He not only hijacked a postal truck but killed the driver, Mary Granados. Her twin sister was on the phone with her when she was killed. She thought she had got bitten by a dog or something. he was shot in the hip and then another time and was heard saying “No no please!”
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 2:10 pm@21. BTW K, it’s not so much an analogy as a reality.
Speaking of which, be safe there in Florida. A beachcombing delight but Cat 5 is a whopper; TWC noted this is the sixth biggest ever recorded.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 2:23 pmTexas is middling, actually a late adopter among southern red states of Open Carry.I snt Midland-Odessa also one of the more housing constricted markets, similar to how North Dakota had been earlier in the decade…that might put a crimp in ones firearms and practice budget.
urbanleftbehind (ea54fc) — 9/1/2019 @ 2:40 pmDeterrence does quote a lot to prevent these things. But some people, for some reason, at a certain point, are no longer deterred.
Sammy Finkelman (db3b66) — 9/1/2019 @ 3:14 pm22: What’s different? Miranda rights; search & Seizure limitations; stop & frisk limitations (we all remember the proud and recent insistence by at least one judge that a NY program was unconstitutional and impermissible); post 1970 limitations in the ability to institutionalize weirdly dangerous and disturbing people; non-stop insistence by “some” that laws don’t matter if you don’t agree with them, which surely has some impact on people who sued at least grasp the need to obey the law; permissive sentencing, letting people who have committed one violent crime out and about the rest of us, who have to absorb the risk of their behavior.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (0c349e) — 9/1/2019 @ 3:17 pmWe know the Texas shooter is WHITE because the MSM has been making that known in every story.
rcocean (1a839e) — 9/1/2019 @ 3:40 pmHe was pulled over for “failure to signal”
So was Sandra Bland, but her case turned out a little differently. Ever notice you come across somebody once in a while ….
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 4:43 pmSo…
This is the 4th time since Trump took office that he’s first heard of a thing that happens every few years. Irma, Maria, Michael were the first 3 Cat 5’s to hit the US since Trump became president. His best memory and great brain are working perfectly, as well they ever have, I guess.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 9/1/2019 @ 5:06 pmOT — Jeez. Dorian is a Cat 5, 185 mph., winds gusting to 200 tracking W at only 5 mph. Anything caught in that moving so slowly is going to get a severe scouring. That’s wind speeds roughly half that swirling in the storms on Jupiter. TWC reports this is the strongest storm recorded anyplace on Earth- so far– this year.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/1/2019 @ 5:26 pmI have realized this week that TWC is, for those under the gun, not terribly informative, unless you are a total noob for hurricane preperation, and also slightly inaccurate about who is under what watch and/or warning. Local news is far more detailed and accurate.
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 6:41 pmYes ive been following maue bastardi and levi cohan
Narciso (66a0fa) — 9/1/2019 @ 6:48 pmHow is your outlook, Kishnevi?
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 7:07 pmProbably 2-4 inches of rain. Wind strength will depend on how close to Florida the storm gets before turning north. If the center comes within 75-80 miles of West Palm Beach (currently it’s about 150 miles east of WPB) I will get tropical storm strength winds. At current rate of motion (5 mph or less) that would be very early Tuesday morning. I seem to be far enough south to not need to worry about hurricane strength winds.
The worst (for me) storm was Wilma, the eye of which came 1 or 2 miles away from my house, and probably the only storm for which I had to sit through winds greater than 100 mph.
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 7:29 pmWatching the roofs being blown off your neighbor’s house (and wondering if yours is next) is an interesting experience…
Who was the commenter from Naples? I am silly enough to forget his name. His area got some of the worst impact from Irma.
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 7:32 pmRopelight. And its levi cowan
Narciso (66a0fa) — 9/1/2019 @ 7:50 pmBe safe kishnevi and narciso!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:30 pmBe safe kish.
Narciso (66a0fa) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:41 pmThank you gentlemen.
Ad-nai tzaboath, ashrei adam boteach bach,
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:46 pmLord of Hosts, happy is the man who trusts in You.
Just remember, Kishnevi, if your house is hit by a dolphin, don’t go out to see if the dolphin is okay. That’s how the hurricane tricks you into coming outside.
And you and Patterico will probably be the only ones who get this one: How can it be a major hurricane if it’s Dorian?
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:52 pmThe Eye of Dorian…
https://twitter.com/GBlack22wx/status/1168273327531679744
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/1/2019 @ 9:01 pmnk…chortle. i am stealing that one.
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 9:09 pmCol…good one! And you tricked me. I was expecting a play on the Eye of Sauron.
Why would that be important if the alleged suspect is dead?
Michael Ejercito (d62641) — 9/2/2019 @ 12:05 amKishnevi (0a3941) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:46 pm
Amen!
nk (dbc370) — 9/1/2019 @ 8:52 pm
Ha! That’s a good one! I’m stealing it, too.
felipe (023cc9) — 9/2/2019 @ 6:14 am34.He was pulled over for “failure to signal”
I heard more since. He was driving erratically.
We also learned that he had just been fired a few hours before from his trucking job. If maybe he was about “go postal” he might have some fear that his plans were known – but that could only be a reasonable belief for him if he’d made some threat. The reporting isn’t good enough for us to know if it had.
The twin sister of the postal truck driver who was killed heard her screaming, but nothing more. She tried to get her sister to anser her but she didn’t respond. She knew her route and went out to find her and did. She was probably killed already when she left their home. She said he ddin’t have to klill her to take her truck.
The chase lasted 2 hours, and there were 15 different crime scenes.
Nothing in his record would have prohibited from owning his AR-15 rifle. They are still checking if it was bought legally, but in any cae, I think, there is no way a highway patrolman would have known it wasn’t if it wasn’t. I don’t think they even put out APBs for stolen guns.
We haven’t heard if carrying it around with him all the time when driving was routine for him or not. That would go into whether he was planning something for that day.
But…
He had just been fired a few hours before.
Sammy Finkelman (107dde) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:07 amIt just started raining now (10 minutes ago or so) in New York, as predicted. Steadily, very steadily, but not all that heavily. No winds though.
Although this is a long long distance from the hurricane, it is probably not unrelated. These storm systems are more extensive than many many people realize, although for soem time weather reprts have reported “remnants” of a hurricane hitting. But this is before. I think weather is distorted for up too 1,500 miles away.
Sammy Finkelman (107dde) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:13 amYes, you do seem to be within Dorian’s ambit.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:19 amThe drop in air pressure is bad for people who are susceptible to headaches too.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:21 amThe words said “ambit”, but I read it as Dorian’s armpit.
Paul Montagu (a2342d) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:30 amSammy,
If many other drivers report someone is driving erratically and if the DPS/police have time to check it out (they usually don’t where I live), then law enforcement will check it out. But law enforcement still needs a reason to pull someone over based on their own observations, hence the report that he was stopped for failure to signal.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/2/2019 @ 8:49 amFailing to signal is probably pretty common, so it wasn’t really the reason he was stopped.
They might have been mostly concerned that he was driving while intoxicated. That would have motivated them, and caused them to check it out. It’s probably anot very heavily trafficked highway, at last at that time of the day and week so they had time.
What you said, though, makes sense. They had to see something themselves (but they went looking) and then thery had to find alegal grounds for stopping him.
Sammy Finkelman (ae5747) — 9/2/2019 @ 9:42 amIt’ss topped raining here, for now. But I think the forecast wss for intermittent showers.
Sammy Finkelman (ae5747) — 9/2/2019 @ 9:42 amIH-20 is a very heavily trafficked and dangerous highway, which is probably why they checked out the report.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/2/2019 @ 9:48 amA really interesting question: Should authorities identify shooters or not?
One argument is that this encourages copycat behavior and gives vulnerable people the motive or courage to do things they might not otherwise do. The shooters either die or are locked up, so all we can do to them after-the-fact is deny them the fame some seem to crave.
The contrary argument is that it might help if we can find out more about them, about their lives and families, and whether there were clear signals about what they planned to do. In so doing, we can send the message that if you are close to someone who may be a risk to others, someday there will be questions asked.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/2/2019 @ 10:57 amPost update on Hurricane Dorian here.
Dana (fdf131) — 9/2/2019 @ 11:12 amThere’s a separate sound of thunder (no lightning) every minute or so, for the last 10-15 minutes or so, with the intervals between them getting longer. At first, there was no rain, and just a bit of darkness. Then rain started, and each time there is more thunder the rain ges heavier. It is quote heavy by now..
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 9/2/2019 @ 12:14 pmThere are certain types of shooters who like the idea that their name (and biography) will become well known, and others who don’t care.
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 9/2/2019 @ 12:15 pmThere was a red flag with the Texas highway shooter, but the red flag laws they propose probably wouldn’t pick it up. A 29-year old female neighbor of his at the mobile home park where he lived told the New York Times that she is glad he is dead because now she feels her family is safe because she had been frghtened by him because he used to shoot guns outdoors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/us/death-toll-texas-shooting.html
It is not clear to me what the previous time is that “again” refers to. B
efore the highway shooting hapened, or before he moved there?
Sammy Finkelman (083d4c) — 9/2/2019 @ 12:35 pmThe shooter had lost his job earlier in the day. Apparently it did not go well because the employer and the shooter both called 911 during the encounter.
In addition, the shooter had called the FBI tip line hundreds of times, including one call the day of the shooting. No wonder authorities did not want to release his name.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/2/2019 @ 1:48 pmDRJ @65. This is getting more interesting,
So he knew the police possibly were looking for him. He might think the fact that they stopped him could mean something, even though, in fact, it didn’t.
But…what charges did he face?
Could he think somebody had decided to listen to his employer, and that they had his license plate
number and were going to arrest him?
But what could happen to him?
What could happen such that he could save himself from that by shooting at the state troopers? (if it’s losing his home, he’s not going to help himself that way!)
Maybe he only faced losing his guns, and the ability to commit mayhem.
Now or never is a great motivater. High pressure sales tactics are based on that.)
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:00 pmIn addition, the shooter had called the FBI tip line hundreds of times, including one call the day of the shooting. No wonder authorities did not want to release his name
Tip line saying what? That other people were going to do something? So they thuht, maybe what?
That he had possibly had real information?
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:02 pmHe may actually have been gunning for someone. It was even reported to police that he was armed. But the stop was acoincidence, brought on by his erratic driving. He was driving erratically because he was very wound up. Which sounds like he hadn’t made up his mind what to do.
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:04 pm“Now or (possibly) never” motivates people to buy guns, which is why gun purchases alwas go up after there;s talk of placing any kind of new restrictions on gun purchases.
If the state troopers had known he had, let’s say, threatened someone, and then gone home for his rifle and put it in his car and started driving, they might have been more careful and prepared. Maybe they just would have followed him to see if he went anywhere where he might intend a crime.
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:10 pmRocket surgery:
Narciso (66a0fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:45 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1168615170395922432
Something to consider:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/09/drejka-case-analysis-when-the-tueller-drill-21-foot-defense-is-defined-out-of-existence/
Narciso (66a0fa) — 9/2/2019 @ 3:57 pmAndrew Branca should learn to code.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2019 @ 4:02 pmIt was reported last night on the CBS Evening News that the gunman actually failed abackground check, and they don’t know how he got that rifle.
The place where he worked said that it wasn’t because he was fired. He showed up for work already…something – and he wasn’t there long that day before he was fired. I think they had an argument, and they bpth called police.
There were actually some police out looking for him, or they had been notified, but the stop was unrelated.
His calls to 11 over a period of time were hard to make sense of.
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/3/2019 @ 5:54 amnarciso @70 linking to a tweet that said:
Biden calls for banning “magazines that can hold multiple bullets in them”
This is probably a gaffe. He means more than was customary in the 1960s.
narciso @71. The comments on the Legal Insurrection site are better than he article.
Both the prosecution and the defense are actually wrong about the Tueller Drill. It;s on;y an attemt to define reasonableness – or the maximum distance a potential assailant can be for a traied police officer to have the right to shoot. It is commonly practiced under a scenario where the potential assailant has a knife or other edged weapon because apolice officer may be able to defend himself against someone armed just with fists or his body, It s not written into law and as noting to do with anything.
Sammy Finkelman (1b38fa) — 9/3/2019 @ 6:15 amDCSCA…this is how you sell what you want to sell, keep in mind this is Beldar Texas, not Gawain Ghost Texas:
http://abc7chicago.com/armed-mob-demands-chicken-sandwiches-at-texas-popeyes/5510228/
urbanleftbehind (008748) — 9/3/2019 @ 6:37 amUp here we call that a family. #FakeNews? No! #FarcicalNews.
nk (dbc370) — 9/3/2019 @ 6:46 amDat chicken must be finger-lickin’ good.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/3/2019 @ 7:18 amWas the baby carrying a torch or a pitchfork, I wonder.
nk (dbc370) — 9/3/2019 @ 7:23 amA .22 caliber revolver…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/3/2019 @ 7:24 amMeanwhile, in gun-free California, Kate Steinle’s 5-times-deported killer had his lone conviction (felon in possession of a handgun) overturned.
Rely on those crazy Trumpists on Fox to make a big deal out of it.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tomi-lahren-says-dem-leadership-in-ca-has-blood-on-their-hands-after-court-overturns-last-conviction-of-alleged-killer
Kevin M (21ca15) — 9/4/2019 @ 7:26 am