News Items
[guest post by Dana]]
A couple of news items:
1) Quillette announced that journalist Andy Ngo has left his position as an editor at the publication:
The conservative op-ed website Quillette announced Monday night that controversial right-wing writer Andy Ngo is leaving his job as an editor at the site, an announcement that comes on the same day that a Portland newspaper published a story revealing that Ngo witnessed a far-right group planning violence but never reported it.
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[F]ootage taken by an undercover liberal activist in May and described on Monday by the Portland Mercury showed Ngo witnessing activists from the far-right group Patriot Prayer planning a violent confrontation at a bar associated with left-wing activists. Ngo never reported on what he had seen the Patriot Prayer members planning, and some of the people involved in the attack at the bar now face felony riot charges.
Quillette editor-in-chief Claire Lehmann said that Ngo’s exit had nothing to do with the Portland Mercury story or the undercover footage. She told reporters that Ngo left the site several weeks ago but the announcement was made two days ago:
“Andy actually moved on from Quillette a few weeks ago because he is undertaking bigger & better projects, we just hadn’t updated the website and he hadn’t updated his Twitter bio until today,” Lehmann wrote.
2) Jean Cramer, the embattled candidate running for a seat on Marysville, Michigan’s city council has dropped out of the race. This comes after pressure from city officials due to her “keep Marysville white” pitch to voters during a candidate’s forum:
Marysville Mayor Dan Damman said Jean Cramer submitted a letter withdrawing Monday — three days after he called for her to do so. City Manager Randy Fernandez said Cramer had first come into city hall to verbally withdraw but was asked to put it in writing.
Cramer, 67, couldn’t be immediately reached for comment Monday afternoon. Her formal one-sentence letter to the city did not include any reasoning behind her withdrawal.
3) In the ongoing spat between leaders of Brazil and France, President Bolsanaro has demanded an apology from President Macron before he will accept an offer of international aid. Seriously:
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said Tuesday that he will accept the offer of international aid to help fight the fires raging across the Amazon rainforest, but that French President Emmanuel Macron must first apologize to him.
Bolsonaro appeared offended by Macron’s comments related to his handling of the unfolding crisis in the Amazon, and wanted them retracted.
“And then we can speak,” he said, according to The Associated Press.
As you recall, Bolsonaro provoked Macron, by insulting Mrs. Macron because he was mad at Macron about his comments about how Brazil was handling the situation in the Amazon:
[Macron] claimed Mr Bolsonaro had gone back on a promise to halt deforestation, threatening to no longer support the EU’s Mercosur deal with Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay….Mr Bolsonaro had missed a scheduled meeting with the French foreign minister in favour of a barber’s appointment, Mr Macron added…Mr Macron has been highly critical of Brazil’s handling of the crisis, tweeting: “Our house is literally on fire”…[T]he French overseas territory of French Guiana on the northern coast of South America is France’s biggest land border, so the Amazon was particularly important for France because “we are there”…
Mr Bolsonaro attacked Macron for having a “colonialist mentality”, tweeting that “ludicrous and unnecessary attacks on the Amazon” were unacceptable….
There hasn’t been a response from Macron to Bolsonaro’s demand for an apology. Bolsonaro’s chief of staff jumped on the insult wagon, telling reporters, “we appreciate it, but maybe these resources would be put to better use reforesting Europe.”
Further:
“Macron “can’t even prevent a foreseeable fire in a church that is a world heritage site,” Lorenzoni said Monday, referring to the massive blaze that damaged the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris in April.
Brazil’s ambassador to France, Luís Fernando Serra, echoed the sentiment Tuesday on French national television, saying in an interview that “we refuse the aid because we see interference” and it was “help we did not ask for.”
The international aid package breaks down to: $20 million pledged during the G-7 summit in France, plus an additional $12 million from Britain and $11 million from Canada.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (fdf131) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:53 amGood morning, Dana.
Not to pile on the guy, but Andy Ngo always sounded a false note to me.
nk (dbc370) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:06 amMacron should send a tweet back with a French rendition of Disco Inferno, at least the refrain/alternate title.
urbanleftbehind (378494) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:08 amLet’s see… so Andy Ngo didn’t report plans for rightwing violence that did not happen is worse than the mainstream media not reporting Pantifa violence that did happen. I get it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:15 amThe media can roll their double standards in a fat wad and stuff it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:16 amCH, what do you mean didn’t happen? There was a fight, people were arrested and the latest reporting claims to show that the Alt Right was planning to fight and went to that location armed specifically to have a fight.
As far as Ngo goes, I think this makes a strong case that he’s not a journalist trying to report current events, he’s an advocate for a specific group/movement. Not showing this context dramatically changes the understanding of the event, which is why he left it out.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:28 amAnd just so we’re clear, I think Portland needs to take a much stronger stance on keeping order during these events. I’d love to see lots of arrests with lots of prosecutions on all participants. Both the Neo-Nazi and the Antifa groups.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/28/2019 @ 7:30 amNgo probably ran out of chances to avoid proving his one of his intersectional bona fides, and decided it wasnt worth it.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/28/2019 @ 8:05 amI sure would be curious to know why Jean Cramer dropped out of the Marysville city council race when she was such a clear shoe-in for the seat. Marysville is majority white so we know it’s a racist place but the area went for Trump 2-1 over Clinton so we know they’re not the good white racists repentant for their racism but the white nationalists, fascists, Nazis, KKK members, Aryan Nation and assorted deplorables who actually take great pride in their racism. With an electorate that’s 55% white supremacist, how could she lose?
Jerryskids (702a61) — 8/28/2019 @ 9:23 am“Andy Ngo didn’t report plans for rightwing violence that did not happen”
https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-cider-riot-brawl-six-men-indicted/
“And just so we’re clear, I think Portland needs to take a much stronger stance on keeping order during these events. I’d love to see lots of arrests with lots of prosecutions on all participants. Both the Neo-Nazi and the Antifa groups.”
It shouldn’t be necessary to make this disclaimer. It’s possible to criticize Andy Ngo, Patriot Prayer, and the Proud Boys without supporting antifa.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 8/28/2019 @ 9:25 am6… alt-right… far-right… extremists… used to describe one side.
Anti-fascists… antifa… all that’s used to describe the other.
Until these far-left, extremist, fascistic louts on the left are investigated and prosecuted for THEIR planning and THEIR actions, this was just a minor skirmish, nothing to see, move along.
No masks!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 9:45 amThe Rules:
1) The Right’s speech is violence
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 10:05 am2) The Left’s violence is speech
Trump praises Bolsonaro and lends him his support:
Dana (8b25a4) — 8/28/2019 @ 10:12 amCH, plenty of news articles about Antifa members being arrested. Seems like you’re off base on the facts. Also seems like you’re unconcerned about a group of people gathering together, gathering weapons (clubs etc) and planning an assault on people they disagree with politically because you think the media isn’t ‘fair’.
Time123 (66d88c) — 8/28/2019 @ 10:18 amA recent news item post.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/28/2019 @ 10:18 am“1) The Right’s speech is violence”
Somehow I doubt the woman is going to get a $200k gofundme. Maybe Andy Ngo will split his.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 8/28/2019 @ 10:21 amRashida Tlaib is being sued by a woman who is planning to run for Congess in Florida in the district that includes Mar a Lago. She claims that would make her Trump’s member of Congress (maybe notrealizing he is registered to vote in New York) She says she was manhandled personally by Rashida Tlaib when she tried to ask her a question about whether she supported Hamas.
In Minnesota, there’s an Iraq war veteran planning run as an independent against Ilhan Omar. he once ran for office for something as a Republican but he says that it is impossible for aRepublican to win in that district and besides there’s things he doesn’t agree with in today’s Republican Party.
The Epoch Times (owned by members of Falun Gong) is suing MSNBC, complaining about their
Sammy Finkelman (42d229) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:06 amreporting and saying that MSNBC got their ads kicked off Facebook on the grounds they were political – all their ads were kicked off; they were disqualified as an advertiser. Facebook cited MSNBC’s reporting. Many, but not all, of their ads promoted their take on the Russiagate scandal but they say that they were not political ads.
I don’t knwo wheter the fires are truly less than last year, but I feel that they are happening because Brazil cracked down on illegal logging and there are no good land titles in the Amazon.
There were eevn some fires where logs still remained.
Sammy Finkelman (42d229) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:09 amOne of the few times anyone should cheer for Gawker Media: https://splinternews.com/splinter-prevails-in-100-million-defamation-suit-broug-1837632082
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:17 amwell I don’t like Latina coulter, but exceeding stupidity is painful,
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:30 amnothing to see here:
https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2019/08/16/the-red-green-alliance-and-the-real-devil-of-mogadishu/
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:33 amBen Shapiro probably doesnt mind the sloppy seconds on that one, Narciso.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:43 amwhat happened with miss fields anyways, it’s almost as if she was a fairly pleasant façade,
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:47 amthey seem to agree with Bernie about Chinese mobility strategy,
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1166414126106718209
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 11:54 amjust like with scotty nelson, that Charles payne got in trouble with, she set off flags years earlier,
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:06 pmNazis and ku klux klaners need representation too! No taxation without representation was said by white men.
lany (848d87) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:19 pmhe’s this close to a scanner blow up
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/28/lawrence-odonnell-trump-taxes-russia/
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:23 pm7… “neo-Nazi”? Nothing much Nazi about the right. “Antifa” are the fascists, textbook definition of same. I don’t think I’ve seen (may have missed it) any mention of prohibiting the wearing of masks, Time123.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:52 pmAndy Ngo is gone. They won’t have Andy Ngo to beat on no mo’…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:56 pmGOP Senator Johnny Isakson (R-Ga) to Resign at the End of the Year. (health problems)
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/28/2019 @ 12:58 pmCH, Not sure what you mean by your 2nd part. I’ve written before that i think they should prohibit wearing masks at these protests.
As far as the alt right not have a bunch of Neo-Naziin their orgs…not sure where you’re getting that. Would shouting Nazi slogans while marching in the street be convincing evidence for you? How about advocating that America needs to be a country run by and for white people?
Time123 (66d88c) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:11 pmas opposed all the democratic candidates who kiss black bloc’s backside, the faculty members who lead that outfit, their global connections to Europe, and into the middle east,
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:14 pmIf you have commented about unmasking, that’s good. As I wrote, I may have missed it. I think if these black bloc fascists (antifa) were not allowed to wear masks, this social disharmony would disappear, for the most part.
“How about advocating that America needs to be a country run by and for white people?”
Is any of that crap from PB, or Gibson’s group? Or are you talking about the white supremacists, of which there may be approximately a thousand members, if that?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:30 pmNuts are going to get their nut on. If they march or peacefully demonstrate, we may not agree with their POV or like what they say, but it’s their right. People wearing masks, beating people up, assaulting them in any way, destroying property, disturbing the peace need to be dealt with to the full extent of the law. This also applies to anyone doing same out in the open, i.e., no mask.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:36 pmThey marched in Charlotsville. One of their leaders, Jason Kesler helped organize that event. They march alongside of people carrying Nazi imagery and warning of ‘the white genocide’. I suppose ‘western chauvinist’ is slightly different but how much of a Nazi sympathizer can you be without yourself being a white supremacist?
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:47 pmhere are some pictures from the unite the right rally.
here’s one from Fox news for a different event.
You tell me how if they don’t look like white supremacists to you.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:52 pmit’s too bad, he’s behind the paywall now:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 1:57 pm36…what am I supposed to be seeing there? Not the best photo, I see people at a nighttime march. Is it white skin that you find offensive?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:24 pmJason Kesler… isn’t that the former Obama supporter? These people have a right to march… peacefully. What were their numbers? How many of them and how many “counter-demonstrators”?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:28 pmThe ones with the Klansman didn’t stand out? Does it change things to know the torch bearers we’re chanting nazi slogans? Should have included that sorry.
Time123 (d28a04) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:32 pmJason Kessler, yes, he’s the same guy… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kessler
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:33 pmWhat were the slogans? The people – however contemptible – have the right to peacefully demonstrate. You don’t seem to find the antifa people as detestable as these nitwits. Or do you?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:36 pmCH we agree. Nazi sympathizers and Neo nazi, and alt right all have a right to March peacefully. And in the cases I’ve provided they’ve done so, together
Time123 (d28a04) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:36 pmWhat were their numbers?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:37 pmits From the guardian article with the picture both of these are Nazi slogans, translated from the original German obviously.
Time123 (d28a04) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:39 pmI have no use for Antifa and have said so several times. No one here is defending them.
Time123 (d28a04) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:41 pmAs I recall, most of the right-of-Center people attending were there to protest the removal of Confederate statues/monuments that was all the rage back then.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:41 pmGuardian… meh…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:42 pmAs stated, probably a thousand of these white supremacists total in the US.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:43 pm43… so, other that the driver that killed the hound woman, who was it that caused all the trouble in Charlottesville?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:45 pmNot hound, young
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:46 pmSo hundreds matched in the street with torches chanting Nazi slogans because they wanted to keep the statue up?
Your recollection, while no doubt comfortable to you, is wrong.
Time123 (d28a04) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:46 pmand half of ferguson burned, because of the evidence suppressed by the community relations department at main justice, but Charlottesville was a blood price to ensure northam and Fairfax’s election,
narciso (d1f714) — 8/28/2019 @ 2:49 pm53… According to CNN, there were approximately 50 rally people, and approximately 1000 counter-protesters.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 3:03 pmI have seen a picture of u.s. troops landing on d-day with the caption anti-fascists attack a large group of nazis.
lany (ebf578) — 8/28/2019 @ 3:07 pmLink to the cnn article? Because there are more than 50 in that picture.
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 3:12 pmhttps://www.cnn.com/2017/07/08/us/kkk-rally-charlottesville-statues/index.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 3:38 pmThat’s not the “Unite the Right” rally. Or are you claiming that only members of the KKK are white supremacists?
Davethulhu (94520c) — 8/28/2019 @ 4:18 pmDave’s correct, it’s a different rally from the one we’ve been talking about. But I think your point that there are more people that dislike the alt right/Nazi/Nazi sympathizers than support them is correct. I don’t think their numbers are so small the should be ignored as nut jobs / fringe. At least not as long as good people and gop leaders make support them publicly.
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 4:33 pmAlso, thank you for providing the link. I often disagree with you but I never feel you’re arguing in bad faith.
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 4:34 pmHere’s a link from the ADL that has a statistical breakdown of UTR attendees
https://www.adl.org/blog/two-years-ago-they-marched-in-charlottesville-where-are-they-now
Out of 330 known attendees
90 “traditional” white supremacists, 51 neonazis, 30 racist skinheads
So just over half of the attendees can be called supremacists.
But the biggest contingent (although not by much) was 91 individuals labelled alt right. There were 22 labelled militia, 10 called far right media, and 22 “other”, as well as 14 termed “unknown”.
So there was a large contingent who were not overt supremacists.
Kishnevi (0a3941) — 8/28/2019 @ 4:49 pmYes, that one cited was the KKK rally, my mistake.
The numbers my follow up found: “An estimated 500 protesters and more than a thousand counterprotesters were on the site.”[149][115]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#cite_note-McCallister-149 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#cite_note-aparch-115
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 4:57 pmKish, gotta point out that half the people said they were white supremacists, and half were 100% cool being in the same group with them….
I don’t like them. But I’m not marching with antifa.
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:10 pm60… I think we’d find far fewer Republican politicians support this extremist fringe – and it is the fringe – than you’d find among Democrat pols and the MSM (BIRM) who support antifa. Any of the Left trying to put some distance between themselves and the antifa lunatics is a recent phenomenon.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:15 pmCan you show me a clip of the President saying anything bad about them that doesn’t sound like they have a gun to his head?how about a tweet where he’s harder on them than the FBI?
I get that you want it to be true. And I believe you feel that way. I don’t think the current GOP leadership does.
But I’m open to evidence to the contrary.
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:21 pm“Can you show me a clip of the President saying anything bad about them that doesn’t sound like they have a gun to his head?”
Time123 (d54166) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:21 pm
In contrast, we’re left to wonder what a clip of Biden or Chris Cuomo saying anything bad about Antifa would sound like, because they never have. In fact, quite the opposite.
Munroe (33bad0) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:40 pmR.I.P. Jessi Combs, 36.
TV’s ‘Mythbusters’ star flames out; fade to black. 🙁
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/28/2019 @ 5:52 pmThis is what I find distressing…
This is the rest of Trump’s statement on Charlottesville that the media – and many commenters here – consistently omit:
“You had people in that group who were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of the park from Robert E. Lee to another name… I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?”
Those who continue to omit this do because they are doing their part to decimate the presidency.
Here… watch the video of the exchange: https://bit.ly/2ujQSvD
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:19 pmThey dont care coronello, they would even stoke the egos of those thugs whereas black bloc leaders reside in the major universities
Narciso (52211c) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:22 pmI suggest you read that thread too.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:22 pmIt’s one thing for the Left, NeverTrump and the lying, agenda-driven media to be dishonest about this issue, but I expect more out of more intelligent folks around here.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:25 pmI guess they don’t narciso.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2019 @ 6:25 pmCH in 69
1. Trump made multiple statements about this event, some convincing, some not, before and after the one you quoted. Taking all the ones I’m aware of into account my conclusion is that he, and by extension many of his ardent supporters are fine with Neo-Nazi / KKK / White Supremacist / Sympathizer. I am not accusing you of this.
Time123 (daab2f) — 8/29/2019 @ 5:14 am2. There have been other events, both like this and totally unrelated to this, and based on how Trump reacted to them it’s clear to me that he’s not particularly concerned about white supremacy. Trump has been more passionate about a 2016 report of bed bugs at one of his hotels than he was about a Neo-Nazi murdering a woman in the street. Read the killers confession and the timeline of events if you don’t think it was murder.
3. There weren’t very fine people in the Unite the Right Rally. They were all varying degrees of bad. The worst, and there were a lot of them, marched in the street chanting Nazi slogans. This includes the people that organized the event and set the agenda. The best were somehow unaware they were collaborating with the worst. I believe that there are people motivated on statue removal for 100% impeccable reasons around history etc. But if this hypothetical historian is willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with self-proclaimed White Supremist and participate in an overtly White Supremacist event I don’t think they’re a very fine person, even if they are better than the avowed Nazi.
4. Antifa sucks, opposing Nazi doesn’t give you carte blanche to be a Thug. The fact that Anitfa sucks and is full of thugs doesn’t justify gathering a group of people with weapons to go beat them up.
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1) that still doesn’t address the omission of his entire statement. Please provide links to these other statement you allege.
2) white supremacy and the number of its advocates are blown out of proportion. The Left, the media and NeverTrump have now jumped on this after the failure of several of their strategies, the last being Russia Collusion and Obstruction.
3) yes, there were both good people on the right and left, and bad people on the right and left in attendance.
4) the country is facing substantial problems in several areas. This stuff gets play in the media because there are apparently many willing dupes aching to be manipulated. Not that you are to be counted in their ranks.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/29/2019 @ 9:43 amCH.
1). Wiki has a summary of his statements
2). Not exactly responsive to my point…unless you mean that you think they’re so small as to be unimportant. If you do, what are you basing that on?
3). I agree there were bad people on both sides. I’ll go this far. If there were very fine people there in support of the Neo-Nazi they weren’t living up to their potential that day.
4). How much coverage something gets/should get is a question I’ve never seen someone answer well.
Time123 (b4d075) — 8/29/2019 @ 11:20 amThx
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/29/2019 @ 11:21 am