Senate will consider gun background check
[Headline from DRJ]
McConnell says Senate will consider gun background check, because Trump:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday he wants Congress to consider legislation to expand federal background checks and other gun violence measures when lawmakers return in the fall.
The Republican leader told a Kentucky radio station that President Donald Trump called him Thursday morning and they talked about several ideas. The president, he said, is “anxious to get an outcome and so am I.”
Republicans have resisted expanding background checks, but face enormous pressure to do something in the aftermath of the mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio, over the weekend that killed 31 people.
–DRJ
Love the last sentence which more or less claims that Trump/McConnell really don’t want to do anything but were “pressured into it”.
rcocean (1a839e) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:20 pmAlan Dershowitz has written that as true psotives rise, false positives rise even more.
The thing that wold really be useful would be my “insurance” on new gunsfor 3 years =proposasal, which wodl rely on the ability of any ourchaser of a new gun to convince peole he knows that the gun would not wind up being used for a crime (at the cost of $1,000 each if they are wrong)
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:20 pmMcConnell really didn’t want to do anything like that.
After all, it’s snake oil.
some could be useful, but not for this.
For that you need better intelligence. Find out who else was involved. And there were other people who helped plan the crime because the El Paso killler lied about having changed his target because he read a book.
That book has never been translated into English according to the author.
Unless that’s wrong or the killer knew French he told a very significant lie about why he icked his target.
In fact he told two lies. Because later he gives an entirely different reason fr deciding to kill Hispanics – that he couldn’t bring himself to kill his fellow Americans (meaning long term inhabitants.
And he also claimed he spent a month or even less than a month contemplating it.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:27 pmSammy,
As I said in a comment on another thread, I think a shortened version of the book is in English and even sold on Amazon since 2018.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:31 pmThey have to at least feign some kind of effort- if only for theatrics. But if the slaughter of young school children at Sandy Hook didn’t motivate action, the two latest tragedies won’t. Nor will the next, or the next, or the next…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:37 pmI know the background of all my guns. They come from old, respectable Italian, German, and Mormon families.
nk (dbc370) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:50 pm5. The only actions that would really help ameliorate the phenomena of mass shootings. When you hear politicians and leftists talking about “taking action” after a mass shooting, you know what they really want is gun confiscation.
Shall not be infringed, Baby!
Gryph (08c844) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:55 pmWell done, nk!
DRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:55 pmThe difference is Trump, DCSCA. He wants to make this his ‘reach across the aisle/go to China’ moment. He wants a deal, just like he wanted a big-spending budget. The GOP would have fought this from a Democratic President but they seem powerless to stand up to Trump. These are the moments that show a binary choice isn’t really binary.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:58 pmThe beatings will continue until morale improves.
Colliente (05736f) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:01 pm@9. Well, there’s the theatrics and showmanship of it. That’s his thing. But it’s doubtful any significant legislation will come from it– that’s McConnell’s thing. If there’s no imperative to come back in session from ‘vacation’ to work on anything, it’ll be very old news when they do return– such is the nature of how the spotlight moves on quickly from these tragedies to fresher acts.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:10 pmGood point, but doesn’t it assume Trump wants to move on from the issue?
DRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:16 pm“I know the background of all my guns. They come from old, respectable Italian, German, and Mormon families.”
Given the claim it’s a matriarchy, did you buy some of them from the Ma Barker family?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:17 pmTrump didn’t let the budget deal slip by, and I don’t think he will let this go either. But we shall see.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:19 pmJohn M. Browning.
nk (dbc370) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:26 pmA-ha.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:38 pmLib “solutions” always seem to take away freedom, and their propensity to lob baseless accusations in their fervor to have one hang one’s head in shame over beliefs or prejudices one does not hold causes great harm to the United States of America.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:45 pm@12. I don’t think so, not based on his history, but maybe I’m just cynical; he’s very much an ‘in the now’ person– very short attention span– a call from the NRA can divert him… just like a chocolate sundae can, too. If McConnell called them back from vacation, might believe there was action afoot- but if not, doubtful. And even if Trump champions something– which makes for good TeeVee to counter the reaction to his visits to Ohio an Texas, it has to worm its way through the Senate and those w/top NRA ratings and donations– especially close to reelection, may not be so fast to act.
We move on from these tragedies so fast– by Labor Day this will be old news and a new shiny object will be spotlighted.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:47 pmYes, look how many different hats the Democrat organ grinders and their media monkeys have tried to place on Trump… dupe of the Russians… Colluder with the Russians… racist… white supremacist… Islamaphobic… misogynist… we are mere days away from the next moronic convergence.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2019 @ 4:59 pmOh, I see the inner democrat is seeping out of the Republican Party again.
Let me know when I can say I told you so …
MasterBaker (bcae7b) — 8/8/2019 @ 5:43 pmSammy
Stop with the insurance scam.
Why not 1,000 people that have to vouch for the perp buying the gun?
Yer hung up on an idea you find More Perfect … it’s a tax (an attacks) on the Second Amendment.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
MasterBaker (bcae7b) — 8/8/2019 @ 5:55 pm15
A real red blooded American Belgium!
MasterBaker (bcae7b) — 8/8/2019 @ 5:58 pmHow will this help? What is this new background check supposed to find that it doesn’t now?
I still say a better move is to take the shooter to the basement and shoot him, or take his body if he saves us the trouble, cremate him and scatter the ashes in the city dump. Never release his name.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 8/8/2019 @ 8:29 pmWell, if this guy is repeating name/rank/serial number down at the precinct, he’s ripe for the Kevin M. basement bullet treatment.
urbanleftbehind (15a3e9) — 8/8/2019 @ 8:56 pm23… and make him pay for teh goddam bullet.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/8/2019 @ 11:11 pm24. I hope he keeps his mouth shut, so his statements to the cops won’t contradict his lawyer’s opening statement to the jury:
— “The only one who committed a crime in this case is the fireman who pulled a gun on my client. My client broke no laws. He was going about his lawful business, lawfully armed and armored. And I’ll tell you something else, ladies and gentlemen of the jury: Going shopping in a Walmart with a gun and body armor is not only lawful, it’s SENSIBLE.”
— “Objection, Your Honor.”
— “To what, Mr. Prosecutor?”
— “This is supposed to be an opening statement and defense counsel is arguing to the jury.”
— “Just finished a Trial Practice class, eh? They should have also told you that piddly objections during opening statements are not viewed favorably. Continue, Mr. Public Defender.”
nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2019 @ 7:31 amAfter sleeping on it, I’m thinking that Missouri Wal-Mart may have been a stage show by an outfit like Guns Save Lives – the fireman might be in on it (as the Good Guy With A Gun) and the thus far non-cooperation of the armed shopper makes the bit more more believable.
But tangent to the incident – Springfield MO, literally the next large metro area north of Wal-Mart’s headquarters – has only a Neighborhood Market and not a full fledged Super Wal-Mart? Neighborhood markets are usually consigned by Wal-Mart Corp to northern cities and communities of color; in fact Chicago had several and they pretty much retreated away, including one in the West Loop. Must be a shady part of Springfield MO and that adds a 2nd possibility – maybe the guy is a wry conservative who says we ignore black on black crime, but glomm onto the white guy with a gun with full first responder force.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 8/9/2019 @ 7:59 amI don’t really have any sympathy for him. He let a stranger get the drop on him and disarm him. What if it had been a gangster instead of a fireman? Clowns like that should not have guns. In their hands they’re only dangerous toys, I might even say sex toys.
nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2019 @ 11:14 amThe Missouri Wal-Mart non-shooter didn’t consult anybody, so he didn’t have a manifesto ready. He was trying to tape himself first, and he was taking his time before committing a suicidal act. possibly he intended to tape himself, post it somewhere and then go ahead and stat shootin people, because he didn’t know how to livestream it. Maybe it was a dey run. That’s what happens when you really have a lone wolf.
Of course possibly he intended nothing, but he scared people.
Sammy Finkelman (d542b2) — 8/9/2019 @ 12:41 pmDRJ (15874d) — 8/8/2019 @ 3:31 pm
it is not a xhortened version of the same book, as we noted, but a kind of synopsis of several books written by that author , and it has the word “replace” – but not “replacment” – in its title. It’s a stretch
Meanwhile there’s been a Wall Street Journal story on his background:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lost-in-life-el-paso-suspect-found-a-dark-world-online-11565308783
Significant things I drew out of it:
1) 8chan 21,000 discussion boards, but the one the killler used was called “politically incorrect,” and was also used by the gunmen in the April killing of a worshiper at a synagogue in Poway, Calif., and the March killing of 51 at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. Overlal, 8chan had 2,370 posts an hour (one sample hour on Aug. 5)
2) They praise killers on the forum, with the New Zeland killler being called “St. Tarrant.” and the death count in mass shootings is referred to as the “score.” One user said after the killing in El Paso: “The new guys [sic] deserves some praise, he reached almost a third of the high score.”
But the rules for 8chan say they can’t post anything that would be illegal under U.S. law.
3) Some users would rather he had killed Jews.
4) Almost everyone is anonymous so you can’t say he killer used it, but the manifesto could not have been posted by someone not used to 8chan beause it is difficult for a newcomer to navigate.
5) The manifesto was uploaded at 10:15 a.m. local time, which was about 25 minutes before the slaughter began (that’s achange from 19 minutes) It was eventually taken down but it was reposted but the story offers no details about that exceopt to say that it was “reposted and mentioned on 8chan and other fringe social media sites more than 750 times, according to Storyful.”
6) Family lawyer Christopher Ayres says the manifesto seemed more sophisticated than the way he usually talked (plus he didn’t express opinins like that)
I thought some of it was on a higher level than others like “Some sources say that in under
two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to [automation] Some sources?
Or this political analysis: “With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a
Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the
Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election.”
7) His parents divoorced in 2011, and they know something about it not only because of court records, but because his father wrotea memoir.
8) he was living with grandparents but left 6 weeks ago, They thouht he was going to tarnsfer to a 4 year college, get ajob or join the military.
9) He had a twin sister who last saw him Aug 1. He stayed at his gradparent;s home where nobdoy else was at that time.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/9/2019 @ 2:44 pmSammy, my point was there is something written in English about this book and its themes, so it is reasonable to believe people in America might know about it. In addition, there are probably online places that discuss it — likely 8chan — where he also might have read about it. I don’t think we can use language to claim it is a lie to say he knew about this book and what it said.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/9/2019 @ 3:09 pmPeople know about the book – but the manifesto didn’t just say that he was influenced by what it said. He went furtehr and said he read the book
He didn’t read the dxxx book. And just like he second half of that sentence is a lie, so is the first.
In another place, as I said, he gives a different reason for not having a different target.
I think both statemens are lies, and the reason he lies about why he picked this target is because he didn’t pick this target!
He didn’t pick this target and he didn’t read the book. He only said he did because he needed to come up with a lie as to why he picked this target. And I think he, and his editor, slipped up here, because they talk so much about the book on 8chan and other places, they never realized it had never been published in English!
I also think that maybe a lot of the people in that 8chan forum are paid trolls.
How many people would say such identical terrible things? And would so many people be so “brave?”
It’s a little like that psychological experiment where they ask a victim which of two lines is longer and there are a dozen people who say the wrong things, and they get the victim to go along. So here by treating mass murder as reasonable and admirable, some people fall for it. and the most important part of the conspiracy is to hide the fact that there is a conspiracy. “St. Tarrant?” who comes up with that? And if one person does, who echoes that? But then the question wold be, who are these trolls? Where do they come from?
Sammy Finkelman (d542b2) — 8/9/2019 @ 3:34 pmIt is also possible Crusius was talking about the Christchurch mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto that Tarrant called “The Great Replacement” — perhaps as an homage to Camus’ book. As noted in your WSJ link, Crusius said in his own manifesto that he supported Tarrant and his manifesto.
DRJ (15874d) — 8/10/2019 @ 12:53 am