President Trump On Kim Jong Un And Short Range Missile Testing
[guest post by Dana]
I’m just going to leave this here:
Kim Jong Un and North Korea tested 3 short range missiles over the last number of days. These missiles tests are not a violation of our signed Singapore agreement, nor was there discussion of short range missiles when we shook hands. There may be a United Nations violation, but…
….Chairman Kim does not want to disappoint me with a violation of trust, there is far too much for North Korea to gain – the potential as a Country, under Kim Jong Un’s leadership, is unlimited. Also, there is far too much to lose. I may be wrong, but I believe that….
…..Chariman Kim has a great and beautiful vision for his country, and only the United States, with me as President, can make that vision come true. He will do the right thing because he is far too smart not to, and he does not want to disappoint his friend, President Trump!
My unpopular opinion: It speaks volumes that the President of the United States is willing to harshly criticize a sitting congressman and his district, and yet refer to a mad dictator as his “friend”. It speaks volumes that Trump believes that Kim Jong Un has a “great” and “beautiful vision” for his country while untold numbers of North Koreans are imprisoned, starving and being oppressed on a daily basis. It speaks volumes that Trump believes that only with him as president can Kim Jong Un’s dreams come true. (And really, when you consider what Kim Jong Un’s vision is for his country, it’s disturbing that Trump thinks it’s a good thing to help make a madman’s dreams come true.) It speaks volumes too that Trump believes he can manipulate Kim Jong Un into obedience, as if he were playing a high-stakes game with some sort of amateur. And I’m just gonna say that the amateur isn’t the guy who rules with an iron fist and has his own people starved, imprisoned, and killed on a regular basis. Trump just doesn’t seem to understand that he is dealing with a psychopathic liar who really doesn’t care how many times he makes and breaks a promise to denuclearize.
I’m afraid you’ve been victimized by a parody site.
The hilarious misspelling in the first sentence (“Chariman Kim”) should have been a dead give-away, nevermind the insane words that follow it.Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 10:38 am
This gon be one of them *crickets* threads I bet.Leviticus (efada1) — 8/2/2019 @ 10:42 am
It appears the parodist has actually hacked President Trump’s Twitter account and posted this satirical performance art there.
This just demonstrates the need for the government to nationalize Twitter and put Roger Stone in charge of its content.Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 10:49 am
Love conquers all. Just wait and see you unromantic war Eyores.nk (dbc370) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:00 am
nk (dbc370) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:00 am
I have the same problem, I am considered a pariah by some old time friends, cause I couldn’t vote for him and find his behaviors still bother me enough to prevent my voting for him still. In spite of the fact that I like some results of his policies and his judiciary picks.Kathianne (089ec2) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:02 am
It is telling that it is hard to tell whether this is a parody or real.
Usually Trump’s buffoonery is just that and does little harm. Here, however, if this is real, it will do real harm to the United States and its position on the world.
Not that other leaders did well with North Korea — to the contrary, there has been a failure of policy for the last three administrations. I had hoped that Trump’s different approach might lead to something else. But I suspected the Kim would play him for a fool. That might be coming to pass.
(Chariman may just be a typo. So I would not put too much stock in that.)Bored Lawyer (998177) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:04 am
I’m sure that S. Korea and Japan (our actual allies) are very comforted that N. Korea didn’t technically violate Un and Trumps handshake deal.Nic (896fdf) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:09 am
‘It speaks volumes that the President of the United States is willing to harshly criticize a sitting congressman and his district, and yet refer to a mad dictator as his “friend”.‘
When Cummings entered congress, North Korea had no nuclear capability. It speaks volumes that more effort has been put into impeaching Trump and accessing his tax returns in two years than keeping North Korean dictators at bay the past twenty.Munroe (ed361a) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:11 am
Removing Trump from office is the single most effective thing Congress can do to keep North Korea’s dictator at bay.Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:15 am
Whoa, according to CNN, our stable genius just threw his pick for DNI under the bus.
Maybe he said something mean about Chariman Kim?Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:21 am
Well, if I’ve been victimized by a parody site, so too have the WaPo, CNN and Big Media outlets. I won’t take myself to task too much.Dana (28a379) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:22 am
From Agent Orange:Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:24 am
“Removing Trump from office is the single most effective thing Congress can do to keep North Korea’s dictator at bay.”
Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:15 am
Because NK’s nuclear aspirations were stymied before Trump became president in 1996.Munroe (4bb078) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:25 am
I think “Chariman” supports that it is indeed a tweet by Trump’s own hand.Dana (28a379) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:26 am
The framework negotiated by wendy shermam who had an encore with the Iran deal, worked out perfectlyNarciso (72d34b) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:31 am
No, because Trump is the first president to publicly perform oral sex on NK’s leader.Dave (1bb933) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:31 am
That was probably madelyn Albright, change my mond:Narciso (72d34b) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:41 am
@17. Trump said that dic tate good.JRH (52aed3) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:46 am
why should mayor Pete have all the fun?JRH (52aed3) — 8/2/2019 @ 11:47 am
Since when is it Congress’s job to conduct foreign policy?Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:00 pm
‘It speaks volumes’ to Kim Jong Un – and the rest of the world- that a man who boasts about making his country ‘great’ with a ‘beautiful vision’ captured nearly 63 million votes of his fellow citizens, yet thanks to an antiquated system, beat his opponent who got nearly 3 million more- nearly 66 million votes.
The joke is on us; figuratively and literally.DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:09 pm
Realistically though, what do you want him to To, you want him to target those launchers, what do you think would be the next step, the most direct way to hit Kim is through china.Narciso (72d34b) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:09 pm
Of course he may be sort of lying here.
What may explain this is the idea that it seems Kim wants to good Trump on his good side, and Trump is playing very naive. He’s nowhere near as foolish as this, buit he wants Kim to think so.
Trump is playing both “good cop” and “bad cop”
The best guess is that the most that might be acocmmplished is that the nuclear program would be slowed down. Mmybe Trump feels it necessary to get it slowed down some more so he tweets that Kim does not want to disappoint him with a violation of trust.
Kim really is afraid of Trump turning against him – that part seems to be right – that’s why he put in acommand apapreance when Trump wanted to meet him at the DMZ. Kim seems to be afraid not to play the part that Trump assigns him.
How far you can take all of this is another question. Trump’s basically just muddling along, with hopes that he will tweet just the right thing.Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:15 pm
“Since when is it Congress’s job to conduct foreign policy?”
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:00 pm
So Cummings is accountable for neither his Baltimore district nor anything that impacts foreign policy like military spending.
Seems he’s only responsible for impeachment and treatment of migrants at the border. What a gig.Munroe (4bb078) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:17 pm
Dana, I think Trumps words make the most sense if you consider them as “what he wants his base to think.”
In this case he wants them to think that what North Korea did isn’t a big deal.
Trump views his brand as winning and strength and deal making.
Having North Korea do something that make it look like he’s not getting a deal, or is weak, is off brand. So no matter what NK does he’s going present it as part of his winning and deal making until he finds another way to present it as “winning”.
He as the added advantage that many of his supporter are mostly focused on their sense of victimization. Look at comment 9 as an example.
In Trumps defense, the problem with North Korea is a hard one. I think his approach is terrible because he’s given away what little leverage we had with not much to show while losing support of some of our allies in the region. But it’s not like there’s a obvious thing that will work.Time123 (306531) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:25 pm
Munroe, can you point to anything specif that he has done or should have done? Or is this just your usual whatabout?Time123 (306531) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:26 pm
For those who are acolytes of arms control
https://www.38north.org/reports/2019/08/reinhorn080219/Narciso (72d34b) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:32 pm
“Munroe, can you point to anything specif that he has done or should have done? Or is this just your usual whatabout?“
Time123 (306531) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:26 pm
It’s my usual whatabout, like when a post specifically mentions something and I reply to it.Munroe (4bb078) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:36 pm
Trump has got Kim Jong Un scared that “good cop” Trump will turn into “bad cop” Trump but that can only take you so far.Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:49 pm
26. I think he also wantsKIm to think that he has just done is not such abig thing.
Trump is assuring Kim he’s still the good cop.Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:51 pm
First, I never said Cummings isn’t accountable for his district. That’s a different argument, and I’m not making it. Try arguing with what I’ve written, not what you want me to have written.
Second, military spending is only tangentially related to foreign policy. Actual diplomacy — negotiating treaties and the like — is the sole purview of the Executive branch. Any attempt to blame Congress for a President’s — any President’s — failures in foreign policy is completely wrong.Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:51 pm
“Actual diplomacy — negotiating treaties and the like — is the sole purview of the Executive branch.”
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 8/2/2019 @ 12:51 pm
Treaties are to be ratified by the Senate — unless it’s Obama and the Iran deal. So, you’re wrong there.
But, even if Cummings had been a senator for twenty years, instead of a congressman, I doubt the usual suspects here would blame him one bit, as opposed to someone who’s been president for two and inherited a situation created by several predecessors — including a fan favorite of commenters here.Munroe (4bb078) — 8/2/2019 @ 1:09 pm
@23. Up periscope: let him play with his toys; short range model rockets are fun though they can annoy the neighbors– just keep an eye on any ‘sub-contracting’ in work.DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/2/2019 @ 1:09 pm
I’m not opposed to your theory. It does, however, make clear that Trump counts on his base being ignorant and easily exploitable. And it appears to work for him. I wonder if his base sees that…Dana (fdf131) — 8/2/2019 @ 1:29 pm
Oh, sure, tell me it’s just Trump being Trump on Kim Jong Un. It’s the Sec. of State too:Dana (fdf131) — 8/2/2019 @ 1:36 pm
I literally shook my head for believing this parody was real. Then I shook my head for realizing it actually is real and a joke flew over my head.
What a time to be alive.
Trump sounds like he is controlled by communist sympathizers or something. When I wake up from the coma I hope someone is there to write all this crap down before I forget it.Dustin (6d7686) — 8/2/2019 @ 1:47 pm
I don’t think kim is stupid or crazy, he’s venal and cunning, that’s how he’s been able to rise to the top like Maduro in Venezuela,narciso (d1f714) — 8/2/2019 @ 2:02 pm
you see how hard it was to pull off any change in Venezuela, which is less remote, less surrounded by powerful allies, like Russia and china,narciso (d1f714) — 8/2/2019 @ 2:13 pm
Pretty sure that’s what Trump is counting on. Keeps heads spinning and people off balance with his jedi juju. It’s all part of a bigger plan…Dana (fdf131) — 8/2/2019 @ 2:19 pm
Dana, look at many of the comments here by his supporters. The principle they care about is “fairness” with a strawman version of the opposition that mostly exists in their head. Some of them seem happy for a common talking point with which to own the libs.Time123 (d54166) — 8/2/2019 @ 2:44 pm
Dana it’s kinda working… albeit it’s very bad for the country.Dustin (6d7686) — 8/2/2019 @ 2:46 pm
so you want to target the launcher, or you want to give them more money, who is supplying north korea, china and Russia, with their purchases of coal, and export of fuel, I don’t trust communists ask me why, that’s why I prefer Bolton and preferably fleitz as national intelligence director,narciso (d1f714) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:03 pm
When French is right, he’s right, and he’s right a lot.Paul Montagu (35419a) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:08 pm
like the free Tibet crowd,
https://babalublog.com/2019/08/02/the-u-s-on-canadas-efforts-to-convince-cubas-castro-to-release-their-grip-on-venezuela-good-luck-with-that/narciso (d1f714) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:18 pm
Maduro inherited the ruership from Chavez mostly because of his wife. Kim Jong Un was the son of Kim Jong Il who had the least pity for people.
@43 They tried to turn the Venezualan army. They have to turn the Cubans, whc=ich is alittle hard, since in most cases their families are not in Venezuela.Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:22 pm
Actions speak louder than words. Trump has maintained the full sanctions on NK. His honeyed words are an attempt to persuade Kim to give up nukes. Dana points out that Trump is unlikely to succeed in persuading Kim to give up nukes, but’s it’s a worthwhile effort. And, the effort really doesn’t cost anything. It’s easy to criticize Trump’s words, but what policy would Dana suggest?David in Cal (0d5a1d) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:25 pm
yes, but he out witted, Chavez’s brother adam, his protégé aissami, who heads his own militia, and was vice minister of the interior, cabello, who heads the military, and the drug distribution network, the sun cartel, so like Claudius one might call him a fool, but know better,narciso (d1f714) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:31 pm
Treaties are ratified by the Senate, but they are negotiated by the Executive branch. The Senate does not make the treaty, it only gives a thumbs-up or thumbs-down. The real diplomacy is carried on by the Executive. Again, try arguing with what I have actually written.Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 8/2/2019 @ 3:56 pm