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2/23/2019

Coda to the Child Activists in Feinstein’s Office Story

Filed under: General — JVW @ 12:34 pm



[guest post by JVW]

I was catching up on some newspapers from earlier in the week when I came upon an editorial published in my local paper, the Daily Breeze (part of the Southern California News Group) that touches upon the irritating child activism that we were discussing last night. The editorial reminds us that California Democrats hope to lower the state’s voting age to 17, and the editorial board rightly warns against it:

Silicon Valley Assemblyman Evan Low, D-Campbell, says there are now enough Democrats — who have long coveted the full power of the youth vote — to pass his legislation lowering the voting age to 17. Even so, it will have to face voters in 2020. Some might pull the lever for anything that makes them feel like a change agent. But in this case the change is not all it’s cracked up to be. Low’s own rhetoric is a giveaway. “Lowering the voting age will give a voice to young people,” he says, “and provide a tool to hold politicians accountable to the issues they care about. Young people are our future, and when we ignore that we do so at our own peril.”

[. . .]

An expanding youth vote is prized by Democrats not to keep California politicians honest, but to keep them in power, consolidating their moral control over the public and private lives of voters.

Not all fans of younger voting are so self-serving. But the taste for child activism is itself dangerous in its substitution of symbolism for experience and ideology for a proper education into prudential judgment. Some don’t see much value in a traditional civics education. They’re convinced justice is easily taught, by drumming into kids the proper hierarchy of rights claimants and the proper distribution of power and money. Even a child can recite the rules of this doctrine, leaving them with little more complex a task to perform than periodically voting a straight ticket.

Hear, hear. Naturally this new voting age could not possibly go into effect for federal elections without first modifying the Twenty-sixth Amendment to the Constitution, but consider the fact that cities such as San Francisco now allow some illegal aliens to vote in local elections, even if they are still prohibited from voting in federal and state elections. Adopted statewide, this will almost certainly lead to voting cock-ups as various political machines are simultaneously lobbying to have all elections — local, state, and federal — contested on the same day. Given the rather lax nature of California voter registration, why shouldn’t all of us assume that thousands of underage and noncitizen voters would end up casting state and federal ballots if those plans come to pass?

Thanks for the passion, kids, but let’s at least wait until you can stay out past midnight before we let you raise our taxes and vote yourself a bunch of free stuff.

– JVW

125 Responses to “Coda to the Child Activists in Feinstein’s Office Story”

  1. Before you go accusing me of anything, cock-up is a British term that is apparently not considered to be obscene. Just don’t Google it unless you have your images and videos settings with Safe Search turned on.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  2. Just wait until they have an app for voting with an iPhone. God help us.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. Then with an X-Box, sweet Jesus, we’re cooked.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. So did Harold’s actor finally catch up to Kumars actor in term of political prominence?

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  5. No he ended up as uslu on the one dead star trek franchise.

    Narciso (dff1d2)

  6. The type of govt the child congressperson promotes is setting humanitarian aid trucks on fire, shooting people attempting to flee to Brazil and hiring gangs to replace troops who refuse to enforce socialism w violence.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  7. If the x-box voting system is viable before the iPhone voting app, I think that’s a break even with the Call of Duty and Fortnite partisans having their say, canceling out team Leeroy Jenkins.

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  8. Evan Down Low or the 4th cockpit crew member of that Chinese airliner that crash landed at SFO.

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  9. How long until voting is truly a mere formality so that the only thing that matters is being a loyal and faithful member of the Party and getting chosen by the Elders?

    Darren M. (a4eb00)

  10. Perhaps the time has finally come to turn elections over to the PGA, so that winners can be selected by the amount of money raised. I’m certain that many observant citizens will recognize that this is pretty much what we have now, but without the overhead of having the Federal and State elections commissions.

    John B Boddie (66f464)

  11. In that case, Hillary would have won, she spent 2/1, Obama was closer to 4/1 in 2008.

    Narciso (dff1d2)

  12. Pretty sure “voting yourself a bunch of free stuff” is your generation’s department. If my generation is denied a viable social safety net, it’s not gonna be because of our voting behavior.

    Leviticus (41478d)

  13. Raise the age to 21 and you must actually pay taxes to vote, not be a net zero tax payer.

    NJRob (6281ce)

  14. Why stop a 17? Clearly, lack of life experience is not the concern.

    Munroe (9ff74e)

  15. “Pretty sure “voting yourself a bunch of free stuff” is your generation’s department”

    Like what, exactly?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. People that work in the private sector (and their employers) contribute to Social Security and Medicare over the years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. John B Bodie – Congrats to the PGA for raising more money for charity than all other sports combined.

    mg (7e0e37)

  18. If you don’t own property-
    you don’t vote

    mg (7e0e37)

  19. you gotta have skin in the game, bro

    mg (7e0e37)

  20. Trump must, absolutely must, remove California from the Union by the time he leaves office. I don’t care how — declare them in rebellion and resurrection and revert them to a territory or possession; or better yet, declare war on Mexico, pretend to lose, and give it California as reparations — but something needs to be done!

    nk (dbc370)

  21. resurrection => insurrection

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Bernie Sanders
    @SenSanders
    The people of Venezuela are enduring a serious humanitarian crisis. The Maduro government must put the needs of its people first, allow humanitarian aid into the country, and refrain from violence against protesters.
    __ _

    Max Blumenthal
    @MaxBlumenthal
    Replying to
    @SenSanders
    A sad commentary on US politics that the country’s most prominent self-proclaimed socialist feels compelled to feed into an interventionist narrative crafted by the Trump administration.
    __ _

    James J. Zogby
    @jjz1600
    Bernie’s response was both appropriate & the only responsible one a leader could have taken. He is not calling for intervention. He is urging Madura to respond in a humanitarian way to the needs of his people. Bernie should be supported.
    __ _

    Chad Vigorous
    @PrettyBadLefty
    Replying to@SenSanders
    Sir, I think I speak for everyone when I say that you’re wrong and you should feel bad and do better
    __ _

    Nebura
    @NeburaART
    I live in the hell of venezuela and you don’t speak for me or for the 80% that is against Maduro.
    But what can we expect from someone called Chad
    __ _

    Roger Waters [yeah, THAT Roger Waters]
    @rogerwaters
    Bernie, are you f-ing kidding me! if you buy the Trump, Bolton, Abrams, Rubio line, “humanitarian intervention” and collude in the destruction of Venezuela, you cannot be credible candidate for President of the USA. Or, maybe you can, maybe you’re the perfect stooge for the 1 %.

    [Bernie Sanders – imperialist stooge]
    __

    venezuelasplaining

    When an Ignorant Liberal American that has never been in Venezuela or lived in a Socialist Regimen tries to explain to Venezuelans what is going on in their country and why Socialism is good and why it did not work this time.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=venezuelasplaining

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  23. Whoops – left out the money shot

    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    Why do they need humanitarian aid?

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  24. Pretty sure “voting yourself a bunch of free stuff” is your generation’s department.

    Fair enough. But the Democrat icon in my young adulthood was Bill Clinton who talked about wanting to help those people “who worked hard and played by the rules.” Today’s Democrat icon is a Socialist from the Bronx who is looking for ways to provide a comfy lifestyle to “those unwilling to work.” That’s a pretty big difference, Leviticus.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  25. Their idea of a “safety net” is for the whole rest of the world to be their parents; housing them, feeding them, buying them toys, and being careful not to hurt their pwecious widdle feewings.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. Since CA votes straight Progressive, it’s curious why they feel the need for child votes? After all, the current definition of children is anyone under 26….according to that great progressive bill… OBAMACARE…. Now, this does lead to some interesting dilemmas…namely at what age should children be allowed to vote aren’t the illegals enough of a voting margin…. Since, our friendly child killers have decided that the 4th trimester is the right age, I’m guessing voting should be at 3 months after birth… Dims have really gotten strange with their number of sexes, rules for killing infants, rules for saving murderers, and desire to destroy the economy in the name of global climate change…not to say the least the desire for “livable” minimal wage….golly miss molly, who would have thought the emperor wears no clothes…

    jason stewart (bb1fc8)

  27. Since CA votes straight Progressive, it’s curious why they feel the need for child votes?

    Because they fear that eventually people in their 20s and 30s will wise up when they realize that California-style progressivism brings skyrocketing taxes, outrageous home prices, streets full of vagrants, and lousy public schools. They also worry that there are still parts of the Central Valley and pockets of the coastal area where the left has does not yet dominate. Adding 17-year-olds to the voting rolls is the gateway to then adding 16-year-olds (“they are old enough to drive; why not let them vote?”), and then 15-year-olds (“they are in high school; it would be a good learning experience for them”) and so on and so on until they are guaranteed to win every election forevermore.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  28. So many liberals have left states like ca. ny. ma. nj. they have ruined dozens of once sane states.

    mg (7e0e37)

  29. whats truly ridiculous is these kids and di-fi live in a city filled with human sh!t and used needles, clean up your gall darn city and keep your stuck up noses out of other peoples business.

    mg (7e0e37)

  30. California should take the fine Republican example of North Carolina to heart.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  31. Orange County CA cancels the NC example in re vote harvesting.. .although according to Fr. Andrew Greeley, SoCal was sececesh territory, though notes officially as NM and AZ territories.

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  32. The Democrats have a professional vote harvesting op in Caliunicornia…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. *actual election fraud happens in NC*

    Republicans: But but California

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  34. The public employee/Democratic Party cycle of vote-buying and policy-buying is off the hook.

    See Illinois for our PE pension future.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  35. Illinois is truly farghed.. Cali can pick one of its 2 big problems to solve and buy another century.

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  36. “If you don’t own property-
    you don’t vote”

    Republicans can only win if they disenfranchise as many people as possible

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  37. Jack London called it the city at the end of the abyss,

    Narciso (b2eb1c)

  38. *actual election fraud happens in NC*

    Republicans: But but California

    Fun fact: the third-party absentee ballot harvesting that is at the heart of the allegations of election fraud in North Carolina is actually legal in California. But yeah, please believe the Los Angeles Times when they insist that there is no election fraud here in the Golden State.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  39. Davethulu,

    You sound like the left prefers its voters to be those without any skin in the game who just want as many “freebies” as possible.

    NJRob (6281ce)

  40. 37- Davethulhu
    Amen

    mg (7e0e37)

  41. JVW (54fd0b) — 2/23/2019 @ 4:49 pm

    A fundamental part of adolescence is doing A because one’s elders want you to do not A.

    So Republican strategists should welcome the idea of a whole slew of voters voting Republican just because their parents are Democrats.

    Kishnevi (41a4d3)

  42. 40… their demographic want the franchise without the work and sacrifice it normally entails.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. “Fun fact: the third-party absentee ballot harvesting that is at the heart of the allegations of election fraud in North Carolina is actually legal in California.”

    Fun fact: Filling out absentee ballots, forging signatures, and discarding opposing ballots (the actual heart of the fraud) is also illegal in California.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  44. “their demographic want the franchise without the work and sacrifice it normally entails.”

    “You sound like the left prefers its voters to be those without any skin in the game who just want as many “freebies” as possible.”

    That constitution is a pesky thing, isn’t it.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  45. “Filling out absentee ballots, forging signatures, and discarding opposing ballots (the actual heart of the fraud) is also illegal in California.“

    Yeah, on the honor system. No one checks, no one follows up. Easy to get away with it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. Like the registrar is going to individually check signatures for validity. Right…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Fun fact: Filling out absentee ballots, forging signatures, and discarding opposing ballots (the actual heart of the fraud) is also illegal in California.

    Yeah, no kidding. But do you think that a state which allows some political activists to collect hundreds or even thousands of absentee ballots and deliver them on Election Day spends any effort making sure that no funny stuff goes on in the process? You know, especially in the state where the DMV sends voter registrations to 1500 non-citizens.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  48. A fundamental part of adolescence is doing A because one’s elders want you to do not A.

    So Republican strategists should welcome the idea of a whole slew of voters voting Republican just because their parents are Democrats.

    I wish, Kish. But it seems instead that they are pissing off their Democrat parents by becoming Socialists.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  49. California is such a horrible place. I don’t understand how anybody can stand to live there, or how they manage to survive for very long.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. oldie but a goodie
    Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbour.

    Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then gives you some milk.

    Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then sells you some milk.

    Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

    Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

    mg (7e0e37)

  51. Green New Deal – There are no cows. The government killed them all. Because it’s better that way. Now shut up.

    JSkorcher (b7023a)

  52. …racist.

    JSkorcher (b7023a)

  53. That’s why I compare them to eloi, they have been trained not to think:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/02/high_ties_and_misdemeanors.html

    Narciso (78e056)

  54. 53- JSkorcher
    you could be on to something-
    I think Black Angus are over rated cows

    mg (7e0e37)

  55. “That constitution is a pesky thing, isn’t it.”
    Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/23/2019 @ 10:17 pm

    Yeah, but fortunately there’s that “freebie” clause in there that Dems always reference.

    Munroe (235115)

  56. I think D went to get a new set of talking points.

    harkin (e15868)

  57. “No one checks, no one follows up. Easy to get away with it.”

    Someone checked in NC. It’s an article of faith among some Republicans that Democrats are constantly committing election fraud, in massive numbers, but from where I’m standing it looks a lot like projection. My theory is when you’ve already decided that some people don’t deserve to vote, it makes it a lot easier to find excuses for fraud.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  58. We’re talking about California, Cthulhu.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. California is a One Party State. And we’ll be reaping the “benefits” for years to come.

    Or should I say those who stay will be reaping the benefits…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. More on the VDH interview: one of the parties is an intelligent and supremely knowledgeable man… and is also known as a straight-shooter. The other comes across as a smug, south end of a northbound horse.

    See if you can spot which one is which.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  61. “My theory is when you’ve already decided that some people don’t deserve to vote, it makes it a lot easier to find excuses for fraud.”
    Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 8:09 am

    But, when you’ve decided everyone deserves to vote, fraud is so far from mind.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/texas-democrats-ask-noncitizens-register-vote/

    Munroe (6b9796)

  62. Lol
    The New Yorker

    mg (c571a6)

  63. “But, when you’ve decided everyone deserves to vote, fraud is so far from mind.”

    The scale isn’t even close.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/19/georgia-governor-race-voter-suppression-brian-kemp

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  64. He stands behind Tank Abrams… which is wise. One shouldn’t stand in front of her.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. One Party California Democrats are effete wolves who are importing and breeding a population of sheep, as they know
    sheep are constitutionally incapable of challenging wolves.

    “If God did not want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep.”

    —- former Governor Jerry “Grandpa Simpson” Brown

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  66. “The scale isn’t even close.”
    Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 8:47 am

    If only there were comprehensive data to support your position or mine. Which party has attempted repeatedly to collect that data, and which has repeatedly blocked it?

    My theory is that those who oppose such analysis probably have something to hide and more to lose.

    Munroe (cfe541)

  67. 66, that’s not wise either, at least without a gas mask

    urbanleftbehind (f2fd8b)

  68. “In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would “target African-Americans with almost surgical precision,” the court said.”

    There’s definitely a party acting in bad faith here.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  69. 68, 69… true that!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. “There’s definitely a party acting in bad faith here.”
    Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 9:47 am

    When fraudulent votes are cast, cancelling out legit votes, it’s too bad honest voters have no standing to sue and no hearing in a federal court, isn’t it Davethulhu?

    Munroe (636d60)

  71. Or should I say those who stay will be reaping the benefits…

    And we’ve passed the tipping point.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  72. My bad. YOU’ve passed the tipping point. I left.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  73. Naturally this new voting age could not possibly go into effect for federal elections without first modifying the Twenty-sixth Amendment to the Constitution

    Not so.

    US Constitution

    Article I.2.1: The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

    Amendment XVII.1: 1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures

    Article II.2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors

    Amendment XXVI does not limit what states do, except that persons 18 or older many not be DENIED the vote. But they could enfranchise 5 year-old non-citizens, near as I can tell. Congress could refuse to seat someone perhaps.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  74. Yes, my wife and I have, Kevin. We enjoy our home, our neighbors and neighborhood, but with retirement, there’s nothing to hold us here but two of our adult children who still live in the area… one a few miles away, the other around 50 miles away.

    Our oldest son, DIL and grandkids live 380 miles away, so we’d like to stay within a reasonably quick drive, quicker flight away from them. My preference is southern Utah and I’m working to convince my wife that it can work for us.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. Congress can regulate time, place and manner of elections, but cannot limit electors. Women were voting in federal elections in a number of states before the suffrage amendment passed.

    Women had the vote in California for all offices in 1911. Nearly every western state granted women the right to vote before the 19th Amendment passed. The territory of Wyoming granted women the vote in 1869.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/timeline/html/cw08_12159.html

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  76. And yes… things aren’t getting better in Caliunicornia.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. St. George Utah the Dixie of Utah

    mg (c571a6)

  78. Haiku–

    Nearly every western city has flights to L.A. — It’s the connection you make to go further. I fly ABQ-LAX several times a year, 2 hours gate-to-gate, American, Delta and Southwest have direct flights. Salt Lake does too, but you’ll have to shovel snow.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  79. “When fraudulent votes are cast, cancelling out legit votes, it’s too bad honest voters have no standing to sue and no hearing in a federal court, isn’t it Davethulhu?”

    Trump claimed 3 million fraudulent votes were cast, maybe he can declare an emergency or something.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  80. Check real estate prices. When you can get a new construction 3000 sf house for $350K, it seems like free, coming from CA. Turning a mortgage into a house + cash is of some benefit in retirement.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  81. Trump claimed 3 million fraudulent votes were cast, maybe he can declare an emergency or something.

    If anyone actually wanted to test this, an audit of voters in Imperial County, CA would tell the tale. Small county (48k voting in 2016), large numbers of Hispanics, many illegal ag workers, votes 2-1 Dem. If there is cheating, it would be obvious here.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  82. Munroe (6b9796) — 2/24/2019 @ 8:32 am

    There is such data. It is the list of registered voters. In the 70’s My sister worked on Barbara Jordan’s campaign, and given a list, of Democrats registered to vote, to contact by phone. My sister told me that she was specifically given this task because of her fluency in both English and Spanish. This perplexed me, “Why is that important?” I naively asked. After giving me the Brian Keith* I understood that she would be calling “Mexicans.”

    Continuing her explanation, She became concerned, and then alarmed that almost everyone on her list neither spoke English nor were Citizens of the U.S.A. How came they to be on this list of registered voters, she wondered? “I went to my superiors and told them there was a problem with the voter roles.” She told me. When her superiors shut her down and reassigned her to a different task, she went to the media to complain about the irregularity. This interview is now carefully curated (yeah, right) somewhere in a news archive, I am sure.

    Anyway, this has been going on a long time. Don’t be naive like I was.

    * The Brian Keith is so named for the expression the beloved actor would make when trying to explain something to a naive child or adult which consists]ed of 1)his closing his eyes and touching his forehead with his hand(s) and 2)slowly bringing it/them down. No doubt to hide any number of possible expressions of vexation such as rolling eyes, pain, incredulity, etc.
    sometimes he would touch his forehead with a single hand, thumb pressed to his first and second fingers in concentration to produce a “magic” word that would give his listener a “clue.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  83. It’s funny how commenters here love to hate on California. Where I live, I believe that most move here from either California, or Texas. They’re running away from Texas too, and not just from the weather down there either.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  84. You do recall, Davethulhu, that Jill Stein’s lawsuit after the 2016 elections in Michigan inadvertently uncovered the fact that Democrat precincts were consistently failing to follow the laws regarding keeping accurate records and reporting more ballots counted than ballots cast. But no, voter fraud by Democrats is a figment of our imagination, isn’t it?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  85. If only all the liars who said they were headed to O Canada would’ve just left voter fraud would have migrated north with the hollyweed hypocrites

    mg (c571a6)

  86. JVW (54fd0b) — 2/24/2019 @ 11:01 am

    I remember that, too. The calls for recounts in other areas pretty much died out after the evidence began to point in a different direction.

    felipe (023cc9)

  87. It’s funny how commenters here love to hate on California. Where I live, I believe that most move here from either California, or Texas. They’re running away from Texas too, and not just from the weather down there either.

    In what fantasy world is that happening, Tillman? It takes like zero seconds to find the statistics that show Texas’s population is booming.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  88. “But no, voter fraud by Democrats is a figment of our imagination, isn’t it?”

    Yes.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/09/detroit-vote-problems-election-audit/97690514/

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  89. Here’s an interesting chart from 2016, showing Texas’s net migration to several mostly western states. The only states that Texas had a net loss of residents to were Oklahoma and Colorado.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  90. What’s the point of being a U.S. citizen if anyone can register to vote?

    Maybe everyone should prove citizenship. Wouldn’t that be fair?

    felipe (023cc9)

  91. “Maybe everyone should prove citizenship. Wouldn’t that be fair?”

    In theory, yes. In practice, Republican legislatures take the opportunity to put hurdles in front of certain groups’ ablity to prove citizenship.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  92. Let’s see:
    * Poll workers were not correctly recording voters at the polls, and in some cases weren’t even bothering to track them at all.
    * The handling of ballot boxes was entirely wrong and contrary to regulations.
    * Precincts were recording more ballots than actually existed in the ballot boxes, in at least one case by a factor of six!

    Trump won Michigan by 10,000 votes. Had those precincts with the bad records been included in a full recount, does anyone seriously doubt that Democrat precincts would have found an additional 15,000 votes for Her Majesty? But it’s sure better to decide that your state’s problems are not the result of a widespread conspiracy than it is to find yourself under a federal consent decree with Washington overseeing your next ten federal elections.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  93. If God did not want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep.”

    —- former Governor Jerry “Grandpa Simpson” Brown

    Eli Wallach. At 1:49.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. Republican legislatures take the opportunity to put hurdles in front of certain groups’ ablity to prove citizenship.

    Davethulhu is recycling the old “Democrat voters (especially minorities) are incapable of finding the DMV office” line of manure.

    JVW (54fd0b)

  95. One final word on Michigan: it’s telling that it was Green Party candidate Jill Stein who demanded the recount, not Her Clintonic Majesty. Could that be because Democrats did not want the nation to see some of the very curious voting and vote tabulation practices that go on in heavily Democrat areas?

    JVW (54fd0b)

  96. Republican legislatures take the opportunity to put hurdles in front of non-citizens’ ab[i]lity to prove citizenship. FIFY TML

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Yes, nk! A Bandido Democrática from a different era!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. “Davethulhu is recycling the old “Democrat voters (especially minorities) are incapable of finding the DMV office” line of manure.”

    This is a misrepresentation. What I’m talking about is states like Georgia, Alabama, and Texas closing DMV offices so there’s nothing there to find.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  99. For all your conspiracy theories, the only significant voter fraud in the last election was conducted by Republicans.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  100. St. George or 80 or so miles east, mg: Kanab… with Bryce Canyon, Zion, Lake Powell, etc. nearby.

    Going to check both out within the next few months.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. 102… given all that the Left does to fight voter ID, clean-up of voter rolls and to promote methods of voting that are virtually impossible to police, pull the other one…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. “given all that the Left does to fight voter ID, clean-up of voter rolls”

    The right has shown that they’re incapable of doing these things in good faith.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  103. Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 11:51 am

    The scandal was not that 95,000 were flagged, but that not all 95,000 were unqualified to be on the rolls, with the actual number of unqualifieds being held as unimportant. That’s always how it goes.

    felipe (023cc9)

  104. JVW, when we were looking at houses here, there sure were a lot of Texas Stars in / on houses. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why that is. I meet a lot of people from Texas here. That was my only claim.

    Tillman (61f3c8)

  105. 106… the Left is as honest about insuring only American citizens are voting as they are about securing America’s borders. Which is, not very.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. Ensuring

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. The right left has shown always claimed that they’re the right is incapable of doing these things in good faith.
    Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 12:00 pm

    FIFY

    felipe (023cc9)

  108. That “Password” YouTube was excellent, felipe!

    Not only Brian Keith, but also Barbara Bain… what an attractive woman, yowzers!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. Glad you liked it, Colonel. I have never seen an actor who touched his face (and not his nose!) more than Brian Keith.

    felipe (023cc9)

  110. nk (dbc370) — 2/24/2019 @ 11:29 am

    By the way, nk. That scene came immediately to my mind as well. I am glad you tracked it down for everybody, thank you.

    felipe (023cc9)

  111. “The scandal was not that 95,000 were flagged, but that not all 95,000 were unqualified to be on the rolls, with the actual number of unqualifieds being held as unimportant. That’s always how it goes.”

    I’d say the scandal was the Governor, Secretary of State, and Attorney General of Texas, and the President of the United States all piling on the number before it was vetted.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  112. AOC dives into the details of her green new deal… https://youtu.be/yGV5r9VrZC4

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. We almost had a thread that didn’t bring up AOC. Thanks for saving us, Haiku.

    Davethulhu (e458f4)

  114. Davethulhu (e458f4) — 2/24/2019 @ 12:34 pm

    Well of course you would.

    felipe (023cc9)

  115. JVW–

    You may want to reconsider the part of your post that says:

    Naturally this new voting age could not possibly go into effect for federal elections without first modifying the Twenty-sixth Amendment to the Constitution

    since it is fundamentally wrong. Seem my #76 & 78

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  116. Nobody should vote until they’ve paid a year of FICA taxes. If that’s at 15, fine.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  117. “since it is fundamentally wrong”

    The Voting Rights Act Amendment of 1970 had Congress set the minimum age for voting in federal elections at 18. This was contested in Oregon v. Mitchell where the Court ruled that Congress does have the power to set the age requirement for federal elections but not the age for state or local elections.

    Your analysis misses that Article I also states “but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations”. If Congress has the power to alter the boundaries of congressional districts….a geographical qualification….then it is reasonable to presume that it also has the power to make a judgment on an age qualification.

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  118. No, they can make “time, place and manner” regulations. But the electors of Congress are defined concretely: the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

    If a state says: “Anyone over 5 can vote for state assemblypersons” then they can also vote for Congressthings and US Senators. This isn’t a penumbra — it’s the hard, cold text.

    Similarly, the state can set up ANY regime for selecting presidential electors. ANY regime.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  119. What Congress CANNOT do is require a state to allow children to vote, or prevent the state from allowing it.

    Kevin M (21ca15)

  120. 124. Kevin M (21ca15) — 2/25/2019 @ 10:54 am

    What Congress CANNOT do is require a state to allow children to vote, or prevent the state from allowing it.

    That’s what the general opinion porobably is, beasue it hasn’t been an issue recently.

    But…

    In 1970 Congress voted to renew the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which ahd had a5-year expiration date. An amendment was offered and passed, redujcing the minimum voting age to 18 years old.

    This went to the supreme Court.

    Four justices ruled that Cngress had this power.

    Four justices ruled that Cngress did not have this power.

    Justice Hugo Black ruled that Congress could do this for federal elections but not state elections. That became the holding of the court.

    This created an administrative nightmare. States would be required to let 18-20 year olds vote for Congress and the United states Senate but nothing else.

    The result was that Conmgress hastily passed the 26th amendment, reducing the voting age from 21 to 18 in all elections – and it got a 2/3 majority in both Houses of Congress because of the oncoming chaos, and was also quickly ratified by 3./4 of the states.

    I think becasue the Supreme Court was split 4-4-1 the decision is not real precedent.

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    Sammy Finkelman (102c75)


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