The Latest with Brexit (Don’t Worry: Trump Will Be Mentioned)
[guest post by JVW]
There is a very interesting piece on National Review Online today by John O’Sullivan which recounts the trials and tribulations of Theresa May and her Tory Party as they attempt to negotiate Britain’s exit from the European Union, demanded by British voters two summers ago in a bold move that presaged the election of Donald Trump across the Atlantic later that fall. The piece is long, and chock full of details, but let me see if I can pull some of the more interesting tidbits here. The lede paragraph:
A massive political and constitutional crisis is gathering pace in Britain. It began earlier this year, perhaps as early as February, when Prime Minister Theresa May began to run her own private policy on Brexit through officials in Downing Street and the Cabinet Office — a policy that was different from, and arguably opposite to, the Brexit policy that had the approval of the cabinet and the public. But it emerged that something unorthodox might be happening only two weeks ago, when reports began to circulate in Whitehall and Westminster that the prime minister would advise a Chequers cabinet meeting on the next Friday to choose a hitherto unknown “third way” rather than two earlier options for leaving the European Union Customs Union.
According to O’Sullivan, PM May then assured the EU that there was no third way plan under development, all the while preparing to browbeat her Tory allies, gathered at a party retreat at Chequers (the British Prime Minister’s version of Camp David), into adopting the plan. At this nefarious task, she was apparently successful. O’Sullivan describes how the retreat went down:
Isolate them in a remote location, cut off their escape, take away their phones, give them complex bureaucratic papers to read, cut the time for reading short, examine them on their reading, confuse them, mock any mistakes they make, demand they sign the document, threaten them with non-personhood if they refuse, and if they do refuse, tell them the decision has already been made by the Party and that their refusal is meaningless. It was a brilliant technique — call it Applied Stockholm Syndrome — and it worked. Most of those present nodded smilingly and signed; some were reluctant but they signed too in order not to spoil the occasion, and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson even proposed a toast to Big Sister. Happy to be still in power, they all got into their cars and returned to London.
Thus, this third way plan took shape. Britain would leave the EU Customs Union, but then immediately strike a common territory deal with it; Britain would leave the single market, but continue to adhere to its regulations; Britain would leave the European Court of Justice, but British courts would be instructed to follow the European Court’s precedents. When buyer’s remorse set in among her grumpy cabinet, May suddenly saw key members resign. O’Sullivan unpacks the deception practiced along the way:
Freed from collective responsibility and angered by May’s duplicitous treatment, both [Brexit Secretary Dave] Davis and [Junior Brexit Minister Steve] Baker charged that, in effect, she had set up Davis’s Department for Exiting the EU (DexEU) as a kind of Potemkin ministry to make it appear that Brexit was going ahead while a small cabal of officials — notably her chief civil-service adviser, Olly Robbins, in Downing Street — negotiated an entirely different outcome. Conducting such an exercise in deception meant such things as reaching agreements with Davis intended to be diluted or broken outright or even lying to Davis’s face. [. . .]
Yet there was a paradoxical result of this dishonesty: DexEU ministers and officials in fact produced a white paper on how to achieve a Brexit that meant Brexit. [. . . ] And of course, when the cabinet adopted [the Chequers] plan without open dissent that Friday, the general (and largely unconsidered) assumption was that the rival DexEU white paper would sink deep into the files and never emerge.
That’s why the chief Remainer talking point after Chequers was that the Leavers had had two years to come up with a Brexit plan and failed to do so. Since they couldn’t put up, they should shut up. This argument was everywhere on television, newspapers, and the Web, and some intelligent people claimed to find it powerful.
In other words, according to O’Sullivan, Prime Minister May treated Brexit as a boat race from the get go, with the desired outcome always one which was Brexit in name only and didn’t really untangle ties to Brussels. But once Steve Baker took the DexEU outline to the British website ConHome which published it in 24 parts, the government’s arguments that no other viable alternatives had been presented were exposed as bogus.
But I promised in the post’s title that President Trump would make an appearance, so here he is:
All this created an atmosphere at Westminster of instability, uncertainty, even chaos, and right on cue Donald Trump arrived. There followed three days of diplomatic pratfalls, insults, inappropriate political interventions, minor court discourtesies, apologies, and at last charm offensives until the Donald left a relieved Theresa May for Helsinki. [. . .] But it left an impact on two serious matters. Trump managed to get the Europeans to concede that this time they’d have to hike their defense spending. Second, he said — and despite all the blunders and apologies he didn’t retract the statement — that May’s version of Brexit was not compatible with the U.S.–U.K. free-trade deal he was offering. People took that on board: Obama may have threatened, but May was actually sending Britain to “the back of the queue.” It was yet one more sign that her version of Brexit was not meeting her red lines, what people had voted for, or what Brexiteers in her own party plainly wanted.
Mrs. May and her conservatives have now sunk to the point where Labour, led by the execrable Jeremy Corbyn, has a four-point lead in preference polls. Although the Prime Minister earnestly declares no compromises on Britain’s exit from the customs union, single market, and European court, very few Britons take her seriously. And according to O’Sullivan, she is getting quite close to being dragged into a party leadership challenge, so it’s possible that we might yet see a Churchillian return from Boris. One silver lining, according to O’Sullivan, is that Brexit now turns out to be more popular among Tory MPs than it previously had been, so a sensible and sincere plan for leaving the EU might still be attainable.
This is the part where I encourage you to read the entire piece.
– JVW
Did I mention that Trump appears in this post?
JVW (42615e) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:18 amthese british people, they do not believe in democracy and civil rights
and this is a problem
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:19 amThe current Brexit negotiations resemble the Rotherham investigations where the authorities said the safety of children and getting the facts were the priorities, but in reality, it was all about not rocking the boat on multiculturalism.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#47d09330754a
harkin (6dd99d) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:43 amCutting to the chase, may squandered the mandate,the Tories gave them and noe may hand the country to red Cornyn an stb and jfk asset
Narciso (d735f1) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:47 amI didn’t know this, but it sounds plausible.
The one way in which thia differs from staying in the European Union is that Britain would be free to negotiate a free trade deal with other countries, just so log as goods were prevented from crossing over to the EU without a tariff..
What did Trump say in the end. May has to make her own decisions?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/18/2018 @ 12:40 pmA. This is the quote from the press conference Trump held with Theresa May on Friday, July 13th:
“Whatever you’re going to do is okay with us. Just make sure we can trade together.”
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/18/2018 @ 1:25 pmThe Republicans were thankfully much more incompetent than the Tories at preserving their fake opposition party against dangerous populist figures.
Zilean (4a19e9) — 7/18/2018 @ 1:32 pmI find it terribly funny that everyone is up in arms about Trump’s cozying up to Putin, while celebrating that Jeremy Corbyn is an even bigger fan of Putin, and defends him at every turn.
This would actually infuriate me if I still expected the world to make sense, but I gave up on that a long time ago.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:21 pmCorbyn is a fan of Putin? This is the first I read about it. Which may be the fault of the media.
So Putin is still on the left?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:37 pmholy brexit guacamole wtf
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:40 pmStandard statist tyranny. Anyone doubt the GOPe would act similarly? It takes a special breed of person to truly devolve power from themself.
Pols also loooooove having a whipping boy to blame for their own failures. State and local elected would not know what to do if they did not have the Feds to blame for all manner of ills. Federal officeholders simply must have issues to bitch about. Forget about solutions so long as this is true.
A 52-48 vote for such a massive upheaval as Brexit is not, unfortunately, a mandate. If there were a greater sentiment for it, May would have been gone by now. No, the Brits did not “demand” this separation.
DJT does deserve credit for holding the line on NATO funding and on a potential trade pact with the UK.
Ed from SFV (6d42fa) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:40 pmMeanwhile CalBreakup is taken off the ballot by the state supreme court. Two of thos ejustices are up for retention. Just sayin’
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:41 pmhere is the explains
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:41 pmI think we can say, as a general rule, that nothing Corbyn holds makes sense anyway. That’s his claim to fame.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:41 pmSo Putin is still on the left?
Don’t be silly. Socialists in countries where socialists do bad things are on the Right.
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:43 pmThe Republicans were thankfully much more incompetent than the Tories at preserving their fake opposition party against dangerous populist figures.
1) In all sincerity: Bite Me.
2) The assertion that a party that blocked every single policy initiative of Obama’s that came to Congress while it was in the majority, not to mention a Supreme Court nominee, is a “fake opposition party” just shows to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.
3( The idea that it took a Trump to, well, do what? He’s unable to close the border, he’s unable to do much about China, he’s giving North Korea a total pass. Sure, he appointed two good Supreme Court nominees — from a list the party gave him.
4) No one who thinks Trump is the best possible president should use the word “incompetent” in discussing others.
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/18/2018 @ 2:51 pm1. Ad hominem
Deep Cover (2c3f6d) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:09 pm2. “Mitch McConnell” is not “we.”
3. ‘Trump can’t do these things’ that a nontrivial number of Republicans actively and absolutely refuse to cooperate on due to being funded by Big Ag and Wall Street, which is heavily invested in keeping the borders and China outsourcing open, but is okay with a few more American soldiers dying overseas in a new war.
4. None of the guys who’d sign your ideological bucket list without questions could even make it past the primary stage, they’re incompetent in the current voting market by their very definition.
“(Don’t Worry: Trump Will Be Mentioned)”
LOL
I was wondering what was going on with May and Brexit. Thanks for the post.
ThOR (d25d69) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:31 pmCorbyn warning UK not to blame Russia for spy attack
Amonth other things.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:41 pmThe point does stand in any case: Britain’s progress on Brexit is simply what America’s progress on everything else would look like if Republicans won by just riding the cyclical discontent wave without an actually popular and charismatic leader like Trump.
Most conservatives in office just want to ride the discontent waves, winning and ruling is hard work and you occasionally have to be openly mean to people who stand against it.
Deep Cover (fe1288) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:43 pmHe stabbed Johnson at the finish line:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/990597/brexit-news-michael-gove-commons-european-scrutiny-committee-no-deal
Narciso (215b9d) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:48 pmBite Me.
Ad hominem
No, that was simply a base retort. “You’re a midget-brain” would have been ad hominum. See the difference?
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/18/2018 @ 3:55 pmA midget-brain would have just responded to the throwaway insult and ignored all the actual critique, lucky we don’t have any of those around here.
Deep Cover (b138f1) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:18 pmLest ye forget:
[Traitor] Donald Trump reveals he does not know what Brexit means – 6/1/2016
source- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:18 pmYou know who owns the independent a fmr kgb officer.
lyubimov expelled from the UK in 1971
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/19/stb-repressive-communist-secret-service-linked-jeremy-corbyn/
narciso (d1f714) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:35 pmI’m sitting here thinking…I don’t know what to make of it all. In steadier times, May might have succeeded in working around Brexit. But populism seems to be breaking out all over, and she doesn’t know how to handle it.
The leaders seem to be one global ruling class with similar interests, and the ordinary folk with aspirations of liberty another. Maybe the workers of the world are finally uniting.
Patricia (3363ec) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:36 pm@25. You know who said he didn’t know what BREXIT was?
Traitor Donald Trump.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:44 pmMaking excuses for stupid is stupid, narsaraho.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 4:53 pmThe only pro brexit and pro American outfit scl Cambridge analytica was put out of commission, orbis and haklyut were clearly on the other side.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/18/2018 @ 5:08 pmDCSCA’s use of TRAITOR Don is definitely not a FORCED meme that will be LAUGHED at once the next news cycle comes around.
Deep Cover (3f0ee7) — 7/18/2018 @ 6:12 pm20, Deep Cover… u might be right…the Walker Cheese might have reached full limberger- http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2018/07/17/murphys-law-foxconn-deal-allows-low-ball-wages/
urbanleftbehind (8b68c4) — 7/18/2018 @ 6:26 pmand it doesn’t help that the companies he lured from Illinois haven’t shook away the old Illinois resident employees yet
I think the Milwaukee urinal has been an consistent recipient of John chisholms witchhunt and deliberate misrepresentation over the last eight years.
narciso (d1f714) — 7/18/2018 @ 6:42 pm@31. full limberger = full limbaugher
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 6:49 pmULB: Yep…trading corrupt government unions for corrupt Chinese who dictate all labor terms and may even import their own people really doesn’t help anyone.
Deep Cover (9f8874) — 7/18/2018 @ 7:02 pmBack on your heads:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-three-state-court-20180718-story.html
What was that about one man one vote.
Narciso (dfcc42) — 7/18/2018 @ 7:11 pmSo if the Scots or the Catalan rebel it’s another nation, the latter is a more affluent one but not for long.
Narciso (dfcc42) — 7/18/2018 @ 7:37 pmWhat was that about one man one vote.
When they let you vote.
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/18/2018 @ 7:41 pmWell they let you you vote, but they make sure it doesn’t matter.
Narciso (dfcc42) — 7/18/2018 @ 7:48 pmAll of these commenters writing of traitors and treason… this may indeed be the Moronic Convergence some have written about.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2018 @ 8:04 pmI don’t know if it’s necessarily the right thing
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/17/nikki-haley-secures-south-sudan-arms-embargo-that-eluded-obama.html
Narciso (3cd402) — 7/18/2018 @ 8:30 pmAlso good to remember that neither Democrat nor Republican openly called for WAR!!! with China or TREASON!!! over this:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Chinese-Spy-Scandal-in-U-S-Nuclear-Lab-2943427.php
Deep Cover (025b4f) — 7/18/2018 @ 8:58 pm@39. =Haikumarov!= Gesundheitev!
Red Colonel bleats, “Give me Liberty or give me Trump!”
Why don’t you pass the time by playing a little Solitaire, comrade!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 8:58 pmIn fact they did everything in their power to ignore the loss of the w 88, as well as moral spaces transfer of targeting info.
Narciso (3cd402) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:07 pmOh for Christ’s Sake:
wikiBrit:’Settlement by anatomically modern humans of what was to become the United Kingdom occurred in waves beginning by about 30,000 years ago. By the end of the region’s prehistoric period, the population is thought to have belonged, in the main, to a culture termed Insular Celtic, comprising Brittonic Britain and Gaelic Ireland. The Roman conquest, beginning in 43 AD, and the 400-year rule of southern Britain, was followed by an invasion by Germanic Anglo-Saxon settlers, reducing the Brittonic area mainly to what was to become Wales, Cornwall and, until the latter stages of the Anglo-Saxon settlement, the Hen Ogledd (northern England and parts of southern Scotland). Most of the region settled by the Anglo-Saxons became unified as the Kingdom of England in the 10th century.Meanwhile, Gaelic-speakers in north-west Britain (with connections to the north-east of Ireland and traditionally supposed to have migrated from there in the 5th century) united with the Picts to create the Kingdom of Scotland in the 9th century…’
Then came 1066 and all that… etc., etc., etc, a few Richards, a few Henrys a pair of Lizzies and an old Vicky; armadas, tea parties, Shakespeare, Trafalgar, Waterloo, Heinkels, Spitfires, Kitchner, Churchill, Paul, George, John, Ringo, Monty Python and Benny Hill. Now “Brexit.”
Oh Lordy, the Brits can manage Britain just fine. Should America manage to turn 1,000, get back to us, kids.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:33 pmcoward-pig slut-hole John McCain thinks everything is an act of war
this is why nobody respects his cowardly disgraced ass
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:34 pmok so what do we do next
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:36 pm@45. Be kind, Mr. Feet; at his age and in his condition, at trip to the head probably is.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:37 pmYour are a professional idiot, if you can’t tell the difference between the entries.
Narciso (3cd402) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:47 pmi just get so frustrated Mr. DCSCA
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:50 pm@45. coward-pig slut-hole Traitor Trump was scared of Vlad 5 feet from him but not 5,000 miles away; this is why nobody respects his cowardly disgraced ass, Mr. Feet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:51 pmHungarians and poles and Czechs do, winning the future do they have in common, well 45 years of history
https://babalublog.com/2018/07/18/obama-eulogizes-che-guevara-and-fidel-castro-lover-nelson-mandela-while-denouncing-trumps-strongman-politics-le-rrrronca/
Narciso (3cd402) — 7/18/2018 @ 9:56 pm“Oh Lordy, the Brits can manage Britain just fine. Should America manage to turn 1,000, get back to us, kids.”
Well, now we know why DCSCA is so prickly and bandwagony about leftist causes, he’s a DIRTY LIMEY.
Whatever, fish and chips boy, our government has lasted longer than yours, our Puritans put yours to shame, our food is better than yours, and the only accent Shakespeare sounds normal in is West Virginian.
Deep Cover (1231f6) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:07 pm@52.???
Do admire the language you type in… what’s it called again?? Oh yes, English.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:13 pmwe have to rise above this kind of invective Mr. DCSCA
our President has earned so much more than this
he’s earned our love
and it’s time we all stepped up and embraced him in our hearts
if not now then no later than early tomorrow afternoon for sure
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:23 pmright after lunch
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:30 pmI don’t think it helps the Trump critics to use the word “traitor” and “treason” when it comes to Trump. It’s a heavy word, treason, the only crime under the Constitution that specifically allows the death penalty. If it were me, I would use the term sparingly, reserving it to actual traitors who aided and abetted declared enemies of the state. An easy recent example would be Bradley/Chelsea Manning, who stole our classified information and made it available to our enemies such as al Qaeda and the Taliban. He/she should have had his/her head on a pike, not given a commuted sentence like what Obama did.
Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:31 pmBut I do believe that Trump’s slobbering over Putin in that press conference was both unpatriotic and anti-American.
Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:36 pmDeep Cover, China doesn’t count because…Russia?
Patricia (3363ec) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:43 pm@56.I don’t think it helps the Trump critics to use the word “traitor” and “treason” when it comes to Trump.
Oh it fits.
You might want to peruse reporting from the NYT tonight; Traitor Trump stepped in it big time: betrayed America in Helsinki, has lied to Americans repeatedly since January, 2017 and has literally helped Putin by doing so:
[Traitor] Donald Trump Shown Evidence In January 2017 Vladimir Putin Ordered Election Attack, Denied It Anyway: Report
‘Donald Trump saw intercepts of texts and emails proving that Vladimir Putin personally ordered the Russian cyber-attack on the 2016 presidential election, but denied it anyway. When Donald Trump sat down face to face with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday for a summit in which he seemed to willingly allow the Russian leader to dominate him — a performance that former CIA Director John Brennan on Twitter called “nothing short of treasonous” — he was sitting across from the man who Trump knew had personally ordered the massive cyber-attack on the 2016 presidential election, according to new revelations published on Wednesday.
On January 6 of 2017, a full two weeks before his inauguration and 18 months ahead of his “summit” meeting with Putin in Helsinki, Finland, Trump met with a group of the country’s top intelligence officials who showed him highly classified evidence, including intercepted text messages and emails from high-level Russian military officers, proving that Putin personally ordered and authorized the election hacking operation, according to the bombshell report by the New York Times.
Despite being shown the extremely sensitive intelligence material, Trump only “grudgingly” accepted the findings, the Times reported. But over the next year and a half, including at a press conference following his private meeting with Putin, as Time reported, Trump continued to deny or express skepticism that the Russian government — much less Putin himself — was behind the election attack.
The evidence Trump was shown at the January 6, 2017, meeting at Trump Tower in New York City included, according to The Times, “stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee that had been seen in Russian military intelligence networks by the British, Dutch and American intelligence services,” as well as information from “several human sources (who) had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.”
One of those human sources was so highly sensitive that the CIA had not revealed the source’s identity even in intelligence briefings for President Barack Obama during the 2016 presidential campaign, the Times report said.
Despite viewing the evidence of Putin’s direct involvement 18 month ago, Trump has repeatedly branded the Russia cyber-attack a “hoax,” and “fake news,” as the Washington Post reported.
Following his meeting with Putin on Monday, Trump said that he asked the Russian president if his country had interfered in the 2016 election, and cited what he called Putin’s “extremely strong and powerful” denial, as CNN reported.
But according to Wednesday’s Times report, even as Trump was listening to Putin’s “powerful” denial, he knew based on evidence presented to him 18 months earlier that Putin was lying when he denied Russia’s role.’ source- http://www.inquisitr.com/4992146/donald-trump-evidence-vladimir-putin
The Smoking Gun. History rhymes.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:46 pmBy definition DCSCA, PutinLand is not a declared enemy of the United States. Putin is certainly hostile, but there’s no AUMF against him or war declaration.
Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/18/2018 @ 10:52 pm@60. Read the piece: Traitor Trump “saw intercepts of texts and emails proving that Vladimir Putin personally ordered the Russian cyber-attack on the 2016 presidential election, but denied it anyway.”
The sources, particularly the human source close to Putin, and now clearly at risk, is unimpeachable. But Traitor Trump is.
He strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, five feet from Putin, sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, and to Vlad’s delight, wiped his azz with the U.S. flag.
Traitor Trump gots some ‘splainin’ to do.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:01 pmWe’re not disagreeing that Trump saw Putin’s directive. John Brennan showed that same directive to Obama in early August 2016 (and then Obama dithered for months), and it stands to reason that Trump would also see it at some point after the election. But all that’s beside the point. There is no Cold War and Putin is not an enemy of the state and under law, you need to aid and abet an enemy of the state for there to be treason.
Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/18/2018 @ 11:54 pmThis goes to a larger issue: How to react to a president who utters an incredible number of lies, untruths, misleading statements, complete distortions, etc. From what I’ve seen, one way not to react is to go overboard on hyperbole and other kinds of overblown responses. IMO, “traitor” and “treason” are a couple of those kinds of overreactions. As I see it, the way to effectively criticize this president is to present the facts and the truth, and not overlard it with exaggerations, alarmism, hyperbole, etc. Just take this one example (but there are many others).
So, when you’re saying that Trump is a traitor, you’re not helping yourself or the other Trump critics, including Patterico, especially if you’re trying persuade the folks on this thread. You and me, we agree on a lot, just give it some thought. I get it, I’m pissed off, too. They’re a lot of other names Trump can be called, and accurately so, just not that.
Shots fire at democratic headquarters in new york tonight. things are heating up! alec jones has already called it a false flag.
wendell (88fdeb) — 7/19/2018 @ 12:36 am@62. Persuade? On a blog? LOL Hardly. You’re getting into the weeds; there’s little left to criticize now, particularly in light of the intel being revealed and the sources involved. Putin has to be spooked by this report; he’s literally got a spook in his inner circle. This is a smoking gun; one of others likely to go off.
It’s good Trump essentially neutered the modern conservative movement, cooked the odd set of weenies, fried Tedtoo’s Canadian bacon, sidelined the Bushes, humiliated the Clintons and upstaged Reagan while peeing on his grave. Voted for him; a center right court was expected and a modest price to pay. No biggie. And if our Captain wants to sh!t on his personal reputation, diddle porn stars, Playboy bunnies and crave a Forbes spanking or two like the proud New Yorker he is, fine. It’s grand entertainment and long time Big Apple metro area residents have known his shtick and seen the act for decades; it was Steinbrenner, Helmsley and Trump who ran Steady Eddie Koch’s New York w/assists from Reggie, Billy and Yogi. For you see, in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained. And this has been one helluva ratings and p-ssy grabbing show so far.
But what Traitor Trump did in Helsinki to Americans is completely, totally and unconditionally unforgivable. Those of us who’ve had some international exposure/experience at varying levels of business and government know the drill and directives all too well; even the most mundane American tourist knows they’re representing the country when travelling and interacting overseas. This jackass doesn’t get a do-over on this; there are no second chances to make a first impression, particularly after boasting he has been ‘preparing for this his whole life.’ He can’t talk his way out of it w/word play and anybody who tries to help him spin it– at Fox, on blogs, on editorial boards in bars or otherwise- is essentially complicit and ‘colluding.’ Real life is a bitch when covered ‘live’ and you can’t edit it before broadcast.
It’s worth repeating over and over- as is Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’ Traitor Trump strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, stood just five feet from Putin, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s delight, wiped his azz w/t U.S. flag. And what makes it all that much worse, if that’s possible, is after stating how persuasive an argument Putin made of his innocence, Traitor Trump knew he wasn’t and was completely aware- for 18 months- the Russian had lied to him. And in turn, with the world watching, Trump lied to America people and the entire world… again, after raking our allies over the coals.
This is absolutely unacceptable.
The intel people aren’t going to take this crap anymore and rightly so. There is no ‘deep state’ but it’s a cinch Traitor Trump is in ‘deep sh!t.’ And when Mueller drops his ‘follow the laundered money’ report, more will hit the fan.
And what would Traitor Trump’s supposed ‘hero’ say?!?!…
“‘Despicable!’ That the first time in my life anybody’s ever applied that word to me…” – Gen. George S. Patton [George C. Scott] ‘Patton’ 1970
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:02 amBreaking- Brits identify two suspects in nerve agent poisoning case.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:10 amBreaking: ASPCA’s will to not suck BIG TIME.
“How did we get into this mess?” Obama asked Putin.
It was the summer of ’09 and the two men, one a former community organizer and the other a former KGB officer, were sitting on the veranda of Putin’s dacha. While Obama noshed on three types of pricey caviar, Putin took a bite out of his junior colleague by delivering an extended denunciation of America.
Obama listened without a word of protest to Putin’s attack on America. According to Michael McFaul, his point man on Russia who has been attacking Trump prominently in the media, “the history lesson was even rather helpful because it enabled him to emphasize to Putin: well, I’m different, I’m new.”
Putin’s litany of American foreign policy crimes was cunningly fitted to the politics of the left. On that summer day, Russia wasn’t an enemy, but a victim of the Bush administration’s cowboy diplomacy. And Obama was seeking common ground with Russia, Iran and the Brotherhood against the Republicans.
By different, Obama meant that he didn’t care about traditional alliances or national interest. Selling out American allies like Poland had gotten Barry a taste of Vladimir’s beluga. The cost of the caviar was missile defense for Eastern Europe. America wanted it there and the Russians didn’t.
The caviar followed Hillary Clinton’s comically disastrous reset button push. Both Hillary and Obama needed these photo ops. Putin didn’t need the photos. He wanted concessions. And he got them.
The betrayal and abandonment of Poland was only the first of Obama’s many concessions to Putin.
The architects of Obama’s appeasement of Putin have been some of the most militant voices denouncing Trump. McFaul among them. Trump has been accused of making concessions to Putin. But, unlike Obama, Trump made zero concessions to Putin. Not on missile defense. Or on anything else.
Instead President Trump has steadily reversed Obama’s tide of concessions to Putin.
The media is outraged over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But when that happened, Ukraine asked for weapons and the only aid that Obama offered their country was MREs. It took months for Obama to come through with boots and tires. Meanwhile Trump has delivered actual weapons.
Why did Obama refuse to provide Ukraine with weapons? According to senior officials, to avoid antagonizing Moscow. Trump isn’t afraid of Russia. Obama however was shaking in his loafers.
While Trump approved anti-tank missiles for Ukraine, Obama slow-walked shipments of boots, putting them on trucks instead of planes so that they took months to arrive, so as not to upset the Russians. Meanwhile the Trump administration cut the red tape by dipping into its own European stockpiles.
In the time it took Obama to ship boots to Ukraine, Trump shipped Javelin missiles.
Obama shelved missile defense for Poland and the Czech Republic. Trump cut a multi-billion deal for selling Patriot missiles to Poland. When Obama provided Patriot missiles to Poland, he neglected to mention that the batteries would not actually contain missiles. The ambassador to Poland, had noted, “The Poles have not been told that the battery will rotate without actual missiles… but it will also not be operational, and certainly interoperable… this will be a question of basic definitions for the Poles: is it a Patriot battery if it doesn’t have live missiles?” Trump’s missile deal comes with actual missiles.”
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270784/trump-stood-putin-obama-appeased-him-daniel-greenfield
Colonel Haiku (d52d85) — 7/19/2018 @ 5:10 amDCSCA wrote: Breaking- Brits identify two suspects in nerve agent poisoning case.
Ill-informed and wild speculation. Par for the course for the news media division of the entertainment industry.
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2018 @ 8:54 amI think it is important to differentiate the man, Trump, from the Trump administration.
Kevin M (5d3e49) — 7/19/2018 @ 10:28 am@67. They do things differently there. OSA, 1066 and all that.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2018 @ 11:03 am@66. =Haikumarov!= Gesundheitski!
Anybody who tries to help Trump spin this– at Fox, on blogs, on editorial boards in bars or otherwise- is essentially complicit and ‘colluding.’ Real life is a bitch when covered ‘live’ and you can’t edit it before broadcast.
It’s worth repeating over and over- as is Trump’s ‘modus operandi:’ Traitor Trump strode on to the global stage in Helsinki, stood just five feet from Putin, dropped his pants, and sh!t on every American citizen in front of a worldwide audience, then to Vlad’s delight, wiped his azz w/t U.S. flag.
And what makes it all that much worse, if that’s possible, is after stating how persuasive an argument Putin made of his innocence, Traitor Trump knew he wasn’t and was completely aware- for 18 months- the Russian had lied to him. And in turn, with the world watching, Trump lied to the American people and the entire world… again, after raking our allies over the coals.
The Colluding Red Colonel still hasn’t showered; why don’t you pass the time by playing a little solitaire instead, comrade!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/19/2018 @ 11:12 amAbout the original post: I think you touched too lightly on the opposition to Brexit. Remember that roughly half the country is against it, and thinks the UK shouldn’t go through with it–that among the possible consequences are Scotland voting for independence and the Good Friday Accords on Northern Ireland (which assumed an open border with the Republic of Ireland) may get undone.
Remember also that the Tories are not an actual majority in Parliament, and that May is PM because she is in coalition with a small party that represents the Ulster Orange faction.
Oh, and that people aren’t exactly pleased with Corbyn, who can’t seem to figure out that allowing Labour to look like a party full of antiSemites is not a good thing. Possibly because he is one himself…
Oh, and there’s the matter than the proBrexit campaign broke election spending laws and may have been funded in part by Putin….
IOW, even if UK politics was not massively screwed up, Brexit would be a hard deal to work out and a hard sell once the deal was made. But it’s made even worse by the fact that the UK public seems to see its politicians as totally incompetent.
kishnevi (bb03e6) — 7/19/2018 @ 12:12 pmColonel Haiku (d52d85) — 7/19/2018 @ 5:10 am
Obama’s proPutin actions were tactical and rather easily reversed if a succeeding POTUS had wished.
kishnevi (bb03e6) — 7/19/2018 @ 12:15 pmTrump’s proPutin actions were structural and strategic, and may be impossible to reverse.
When the Russians already have Crimea and armed Separatist in Eastern Ukraine how is that easily reversed?
Nate Ogden (223c65) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:07 pm72… I call bullschiff, kishnevi…
Colonel Haiku (d52d85) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:09 pm64 if your so concerned how foreigners see us, why would you post such absurd BS on the Internet where foreigners could see it? It’s far more of an embarrassment than anything Trump said.
Nate Ogden (223c65) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:16 pmWhen the Russians already have Crimea and armed Separatist in Eastern Ukraine how is that easily reversed?
I said Obama’s actions, not Putin’s actions!
kishnevi (bb03e6) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:32 pm#FireAllegraBudenmayer #BoycottRampit
@iowahawkblog is one of the best things on Twitter today….
kishnevi (bb03e6) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:34 pm62 Joe Wilson correctly called Obama a liar and was pillered for it. People are calling Trump a traitor and far worse and are celebrated when, like pointed out, he is not. It’s clear who’s working for the benefit of Russia and our enemies.
Nate Ogden (223c65) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:36 pmPutin ultimately decided to cut his losses after two year of attrition, so he brought in the Wagner corps, which was smashed on the plains of ‘syria.
Narciso (dceb8c) — 7/19/2018 @ 1:46 pmI know very little about the internal politics of the UK. Quick question re the economic impact of Brexit. Will the price of whisky go up or down?
Slugger (d8ee56) — 7/19/2018 @ 4:30 pm