Amid the Terrible Stories of a School Shooting, a Story of a Hero
The tragedy that occurred yesterday at a high school in Parkland, Florida is hard to process. Someone who would shoot and kill high school students is surely the worst humanity has to offer. I won’t speak the shooter’s name. He doesn’t deserve it. But one man’s name deserves to be spoken and remembered: Aaron Feis, who saved several students as he sacrificed himself:
Football coach Aaron Feis threw himself in front of students as bullets hailed down Wednesday at his alma mater, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
It would become perhaps the final act undertaken by this assistant coach and security guard, who suffered a gunshot wound and later died after he was rushed into surgery, according to the school’s football program and its spokeswoman, Denise Lehtio.
“He died the same way he lived — he put himself second,” Lehtio said. “He was a very kind soul, a very nice man. He died a hero.”
Initially it looked like Feis might make it, but it was not to be:
It is with Great sadness that our Football Family has learned about the death of Aaron Feis. He was our Assistant Football Coach and security guard. He selflessly shielded students from the shooter when he was shot. He died a hero and he will forever be in our hearts and memories pic.twitter.com/O181FvuHl3
— MS Douglas Football (@MSDEagles) February 15, 2018
RIP. May we all keep his example in our minds today.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
A hero who really is a hero.
That the murderous cretin is alive and the innocent and brave are dead and wounded is just so maddening.
RIP
harkin (6c3294) — 2/15/2018 @ 9:32 amYes, what he did was heroic. May he rest in peace.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:05 amAt only 19 years old, recently orphaned, and kicked out of high school where did the troubled and disadvantaged poster boy for modern ailenated youth get the weapons or the buy money. A new entry level AR-15 runs about $500 and 5.56 ammo ain’t cheap.
ropelight (345b30) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:15 amNow that’s a hero. He didn’t “take a knee” to insult people he took a bullet to save them. God bless him.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:15 amstraight to heaven.
felipe (5b25e2) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:15 amThank you for this.
I hear snippets of news reporting yesterday about this, but haven’t had the time yet to go looking for it.
What a man.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:32 amThank you sir for making the ultimate sacrifice to protect the innocent. May God accept you and bring you to his warmth.
NJRob (b00189) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:37 amThe victims, identified.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200220844.html
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:44 amPerhaps the greatest thing that can be said of any man (or woman for that matter) is that when the call to action came, he or she swiftly answered it and did his or her duty to the utmost. Those who knew and loved Coach Feis can be proud of him and should count themselves fortunate to have known him. Rest in peace, coach.
JVW (dadb0c) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:50 am3. ropelight (345b30) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:15 am
Good question.
Did he inherit them? Steal them? Make money from criminal activities? Join a group? But what group?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:10 amShould AR15s and other scary weapons be illegal Patterico?
Many complain this type of weapon is only for killing people, not hunting.
Is this a valid argument wrt 2nd Amendment?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:14 amOh, that group:
https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:14 amSince the NHollywood shoot out every patrol car has FULLY AUTO AR15- or M-4
I think that’s self-defense that results on dead people.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:17 am11. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:14 am
I think it is, according to Heller, provided they are completely outlawed at least as much as machine guns, and police an security guards don’t have them either. gthey would not then be in common use.
And certainly the manufacture of them can be outlawed.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:18 amBack to the topic of the thread: let’s honor the heroes.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:30 amlike so many other nevertrump resistance losers the ADL squandered its credibility many moons ago
they can go poop
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:35 amI’m drop you off to some nearby suburbs and dare you to say it out loud, happy.
urbanleftbehind (d74249) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:36 amADL Urges Donald Trump to Reconsider “America First” in Foreign Policy Approach
In a letter to Mr. Trump, ADL urged him to refrain from using the slogan in the future.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:37 amno suburbs today it’s supposed to rain i thought
i hope it rains some more anyway we still have a mess out there
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:38 amThere’s nothing ‘heroic’ about any of this.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2018 @ 12:47 pmHow many ways can you spell “f***ed in the head?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:01 pmDRJ, Beldar, how many Texas state trooper bullets have you dodged today? Ten, fifteen?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:06 pmSteve57
Please surrender to the Authorities before anything goes wrong.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:14 pmThere’s something heroic about showing up on time, not missing ship’s movement, with a hair cut.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:19 pmYeah, I already did. Do you want to know what the said when they stopped laughing, Mr. IHOP?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:23 pmI know I’ll regret it but wtf does Mr.IHOP mean in English?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:25 pmThars yer sign..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:29 pmShould AR15s and other scary weapons be illegal Patterico?
Ben burn, maybe the right question to the anti 2nd is why did we sacrifice this coach by not letting him carry at school…
We lost a giant in the community, because we didn’t trust a man who spent his whole life with our children and gave it too.
Because the left has no concept of duty honor and sacrifice.
EPWJ (4dc563) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:30 pmSimple solution
Ballistic classroom doors
Coaches, principals carry conceal at all times
EPWJ (4dc563) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:32 pmCRUZ THE WHITE SUPREMACIST
CONFESSES
is Mr. Drudge’s take right now
I don’t understand Mr. Drudge’s emphasis that the shooter “confesses”
is he being mischievous by juxtaposing “confesses” with “white supremacy”
and then linking to an article that has the local sheriff batting down earlier reports that he’s linked to some white power group?
i’m kinda befuddled
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:33 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:36 pmExactly what idiot would outlaw the manufacture of weapons for our armed forces? That makes no sense.
Voluntary carry is permitted for bodyguards and what other way could you describe teachers, EPWJ?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:36 pmThe loss of our children’s innocence in the face of arming teachers is no more severe than other countries.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:43 pmAsk Finland Norway, Canada, and Scotland how their school shootings went. Russia too
EPWJ (4dc563) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:54 pmEight and eight split, with one teacher. This guy did not have an agenda.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/15/2018 @ 3:03 pmFortunately Feis wasn’t armed or something unpleasant might have happened.
Richard Aubrey (10ef71) — 2/15/2018 @ 3:06 pmChris Hixon, athletic director, and Scott Beigal, geography, were both teachers also murdered while covering the escape of children in their care.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/15/2018 @ 3:29 pmfrom what i saw today his public defender seems to be a class act
if that’s the case i hope the community can see that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 4:08 pmSo we’re going to hear all about how we need more gun control. Again. We don’t need more gun control; we need a way to deal with those who’ve been identified as mentally unstable and likely to pose a danger to themselves and/or others.
Of course, cultural factors have absolutely no effect on impressionable (and possibly mentally ill) young minds, do they?
http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/10/hollywoods_gun_obsession_41_mo.html
Let’s control public ownership of guns but let Hollywood promote (and make lots of money off of) our entertainment industry’s sensationalizing of firearm violence. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
ColoComment (256f5c) — 2/15/2018 @ 4:20 pm31. Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:36 pm
The armed forces do not use AR-15s.
They use better weapons, which are not sold to the general public, and the supreme Court has not held that they must be.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/15/2018 @ 4:36 pmNow there is a man in full. What a selfless, heroic action! RIP.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2018 @ 5:17 pmExcept the actions of the man described in the post, which obviously were heroic, as any sentient person can tell.
Your comment is so nonsensical I feel like I must be misunderstanding you. It’s a pretty damned stupid comment on its face.
But then you are the guy who peed all over the thread about Levitcus’s baby, so maybe I should not be surprised.
Patterico (115b1f) — 2/15/2018 @ 5:39 pmDitto:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 5:50 pmhttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A13&version=KJV
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. That’s what it says in the Bible that’s for sure.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 5:51 pmok then
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/15/2018 @ 5:51 pmThe attack on Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is the 17th school shooting in the U.S. within the first 45 days of 2018.- CNBC
There’s nothing ‘heroic’ about any of this.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:07 pmThere have not been 17 school shootings this year.
Chuck Bartowski (211c17) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:09 pmLike Abba it gets in your head
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:13 pmI think they should change their mascot to vampire bat
http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:21 pm@47/48. =yawn= ‘Many public figures claimed that the Wednesday incident is the 18th school shooting of 2018. The claims cited a database of school shootings that is maintained by Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit that advocates for gun control measures. Everytown’s database includes any publicly known incident in which “a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds.”’ So if any gunplay at American schools fits your pistol in the 21st century, spin on. The year is young.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:22 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:23 pmI’m sorry, Sammy Finkelman but you stated “I think it is, according to Heller, provided they are completely outlawed at least as much as machine guns,” and that’s what I thought you are referring to. I am well aware the military uses the M4 and HK416 both in 5.56x45mm NATO. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
“There’s nothing ‘heroic’ about any of this.” Thus spake the Archpriest of The Holy Order Of Saint Sarah Of Brady, as he derided a teacher who gave his life to save the lives of his students which is the very definition of heroism.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:23 pmThere is one thing a lot of these crazed shooters have in common: The FBI.
First, the FBI was warned about Cruz after he posted on YouTube saying he was going to become a “professional school shooter.” The agency said they couldn’t identify the user who made the threat, despite Cruz posting under his own name.
Similarly, Dylann Roof, who in 2015 shot nine people at a black church in Charleston, was allowed to purchase his weapon in part because of errors by FBI agents during the background check process, the agency said.
And then there’s Pulse shooter Omar Mateen, who pledged allegiance to ISIS before killing 49 people at the Orlando nightclub, similarly seemed to have fallen through the cracks. The FBI investigated Mateen twice before the slaughter but ruled him not a threat both times.
But let’s not forget The FBI knew that Fort Hood shooter Army Maj. Nidal Hasan had been in contact with al Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki, but declined to investigate him. A congressional probe found that the FBI had failed to alert the Army about Hasan, and that the shooting could and should have been prevented.
Finally, Another school shooter who was on the FBI’s radar killed two students at a New Mexico high school just two months ago. Although the killing doesn’t meet the government’s definition of a mass shooting, the shooter was known to the FBI. The agency investigated the shooter, 21-year-old William Atchison, in 2016 after he commented online about committing a mass shooting.
BTW, it’s not just shooters the FBI screws the pooch on.
The FBI similarly missed opportunities to stop Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the brothers behind the 2013 Boston Bombing, a government review found. Russia warned the United States that Tsarnaev had associations with Islamic terrorists, leading an FBI-led task force to question the future terrorist. The agent who interviewed Tsarnaev closed the probe “having found no link or ‘nexus’ to terrorism.”
The task force was alerted a year later that Tsarnaev was leaving the country for Dagestan but declined to interview him or stop him from leaving the country. FBI agents later said the failure to interview Tsarnaev was a “huge” error, according to Boston Magazine.
So all in all we do have a common denominator among all these incidents and don’t make me go back to the negligence of the FBI regarding 9/11.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:41 pmYes the two hijackers in southern California were living under their own name.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:43 pmI think the Five Letter acronym is just pointing that if we could effectively keep guns out of the hands of nuts, there would be no need for heroism such as Feis’s.
There’s really three ways to deal with it:
Rigorously identify mental health issues, with all the intrusiveness and potential for abuse that entails.
Turned schools and other places into minifortresses which the public must accept for the sake of education, shopping,etc–not just armed teachers and bulletproof doors, but vetting and security checks for everyone who enters and leaves
Heavily restricting the sorts of guns and ammo the public can buy and locations where they can buy them.
Your choice–but I think the first two possibilities mean far greater infringement on liberty than anything the third option could produce.
Kishnevi (a2d7ac) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:53 pmConsidering the same ft Lauderdale office, had dropped the ball Just a month beforem
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:00 pm@55. Bingo.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:02 pmDouchey
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:04 pmCork
Soaker
Clown
Asshat
Bongo
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:04 pmYou know, when I see a tragedy, and some jackwagon tries to make political hay out of it all emotionally, after literally years of sneering at other people acting emotionally over issues…
Well, there are too many trolls around.
This thread is about a hero. Showing bravery in the face of insanity. Saving lives.
But other folks just remember the He of the Nine Fingers and his famous statement: never let a crisis go to waste.
Patterico, spot on about Leviticus.
Trolls stink.
Simon Jester (2d9cb4) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:10 pmThere is a Gresham law aspect to this, of course heroism and service must be ignored or coopted because agendas need to be satisfied. Every town needs to have their exemption pulled this is one too many jaclaloperies
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:14 pmBango!
All this school needed was securely locked doors that not just anybody could walk through; and three trained, armed, sworn peace officers (that’s less than one per thousand students), and not just an unarmed assistant football coach who doubled as a security guard. Like my high school.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:20 pmThere was supposed to be an armed resource officer, but he never confronted the perpetrator.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:22 pmHeavily restricting the sorts of guns and ammo the public can buy and locations where they can buy them.
How did that work out for your great-grandparents when the Cossacks came to visit?
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:24 pmSorry to get personal, but you yourself have brought them up in immigration threads.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:25 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:29 pmWhich would actually be defeating the whole idea of the second amendment which was to put the people or equal or close to equal footing with their greatest threat: the government.
This is the issue with outrage. People emote and don’t think. It’s understandable.
Which is why a thread about a hero can go other places.
And why some people take advantage of that outrage and upset to advance their own cold-blooded goals.
Me, I will ask myself: would I stand up for others? And if not, why not?
Simon Jester (2d9cb4) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:30 pmThere is genuine outrage and then there is the canned crow disco trades I was surprised no one brought scripture till post 45
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:34 pmSure, but you’re not a Knight Commander of The Order Of St. Michael Of Bloomberg, Simon.
nk (dbc370) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:35 pmFrankly, with all the pain and suffering an incident like this generates I can’t help but feel a bit proud that there was still a man in this day and age who was willing to stand up and even give his life to save a student, perhaps a friend and a fellow American. Safe spaces, speech laws, gun grabbers be damned there are still hero’s in our country.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:52 pmnk statistically, a US school kid has more chance of being killed at school than a Jew had of being killed by a rioter. At Kishinev (near my grandparents’s home town) 49 Jews were killed. The Parkland shooter was the equivalent of one third of a Russian pogrom.
I had to check the list of victims to make sure no one I knew was directly affected. Just like I had to check the lists of victims from 9/11, since one plane flew out of Boston…
Kishnevi (a6653c) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:59 pmThere’s nothing valuable in your comments. Trolling to troll.
Patterico (da0cad) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:03 pmThat is distressing touchstone:
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/02/with-39-killed-in-tunisia-attack-the-top-three-mass-public-shootings-are-outside-the-united-states/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:05 pmHoagie, there is an inconvenient problem – the police and the FBI can only deprive you of your liberty if you’ve committed a crime or appear to be about to do so in the very near future.
(Before the lawyers jump on me, yes, that is an over-simplification, but still)
The fact remains that the police cannot indefinitely lock up every person who says something edgy on the internet or who exhibits anti-social (but non-criminal) behavior. Nor can they confiscate their guns or deprive them of their right to purchase more of them. As a practical matter, they can’t keep them under indefinite surveillance either.
Apart from that, there is a problem of numbers. There are thousands of people who fit the same profile as the shooter, but the vast majority of them are never going to take that last insane step and go on a killing spree. If we could read peoples’ minds, maybe we could identify the handful who will, but since we can’t, what specifically are you suggesting should be done?
Dave (445e97) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:07 pmWhich would actually be defeating the whole idea of the second amendment which was to put the people or equal or close to equal footing with their greatest threat: the government.
Ask the Branch Davidians how that worked out.
Or, to do it more positively:Clive Bundy made the government back off by using the First Amendment, not the Second.
But it’s to be expected you miss the actual point of the 2A. The founders thought an armed citizenry would make a large military establishment unnecessary. Police didn’t exist back then in any meaningful way, but they too fall under the rubric of Standing Army.
Kishnevi (a6653c) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:09 pmClose but no cigar:
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-washington-post-corrects-gun-error.html?spref=tw
narciso (d1f714) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:10 pmMe, I will ask myself: would I stand up for others? And if not, why not?
Simon Jester (2d9cb4) — 2/15/2018 @ 7:30 pm
I was also asking myself that question. My immediate reaction when I read about Aaron Feis wasn’t that he was a hero, but rather an angel. Perhaps a difference without distinction.
Lenny (5ea732) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:19 pmThree teachers, all men, died protecting their students yesterday.
Patricia (3363ec) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:43 pmI’m going to say Ben is flat out wrong with no research whatsoever. SWAT might use select fire rifles but I doubt every patrol car does. It makes no sense and they don’t have time to learn about suppressing fire, most likely. They don’t have the budget to train for it. A billion a year goes to homeless people.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:49 pm@75 Kishnevi
Most of the casualties from the ATF came from the ATF.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:50 pmIt’s a good thing to have these psycho / autistic / chemically altered / what have you, perpetrators intact in custody for the head doctors to tinker with and find out what has gone wrong. precisely because of these other questions; what’s the best way to move forward, counter measures to avoid repeats, signs to look for.
Like that guy who shot up the black church in Charleston, it’s good to have that guy in pocket, because there are too many people out looking to make political hay out of him.
Easy to pidgeon hole a ghost, not so much with a living person.
I wish they had kept the Oklahoma City bomber alive. At the very least it would have cut down on the marijuana 4/20 holiday nonsense.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/15/2018 @ 9:19 pmhttps://canadaalive.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/the-princess-patricias-canadian-light-infantry/
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:17 pmYou for real, dcscahole?
mg (765e6a) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:23 pmI wish this to only the guys willing to take it. The Lumberjack Special Forces. To the Canooks.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:28 pmFriday, February 02, 2018
Fullbore Friday
In 2009 we lost a lion of the Cold War.
What have you done?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:48 pmI guess at least half of it is true.
http://db.yadvashem.org/righteous/family.html?language=en&itemId=4015627
Rescue Story
Király, Béla
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/15/2018 @ 10:58 pmNot much, Steve.
Simon Jester (2d9cb4) — 2/16/2018 @ 12:01 amHopefully by the time I am done I’ll be quite of such ideas. If you really want to get to know someone hunt with them.
http://www.kodiak.org/afognak
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 3:21 amRev. Hoagie. WRT Mateen, the feebs investigated at the behest of Mateen’s colleagues. Their conclusion was that the colleagues were guilty of islamophobia.
Richard Aubrey (10ef71) — 2/16/2018 @ 3:37 am78, Patricia
And we left them unarmed, so tragic that these men had to die unable to fight back
The argument that its too dangerous to arm some teachers and give them training is so flimsy when compared against the years they spent training and studying to be teaching in the schools in the first place.
EPWJ (4dc563) — 2/16/2018 @ 4:13 amafter 24 hours people need to move on and not dwell
I think it was Mr. Sammy Finkelman what perspicaciously noted that this is a local story
this didn’t happen to us as a nation that’s a conceit of filthy CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts what want to exploit the dead
this happened to Parkland, Florida
get your own life and let them pick up the pieces of theirs
maybe this will be a good weekend
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2018 @ 5:01 amHappy, in your own way, you have absolved my lack of emote w.r.t. this shooting. I lost an aunt yesterday morning, so I kind of checked out save for some back and forth on unrelated matters.
urbanleftbehind (d74249) — 2/16/2018 @ 5:34 amSorry to hear that urban,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2018 @ 5:48 amyes yes Mr. leftbehind i think of it this way
if i got in a scoot scoot and set my mind to drive to Parkland to lay a wreath
how much human suffering and grief would i pass on the way?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2018 @ 5:54 amMy condolences, urbanleftbehind.
I’m not much of a big picture person myself. More of a sparrow’s fall guy. The suffering of one person or one million does not diminish the suffering of another person in my eyes. It’s no argument to me that “only” 17 people were killed in Parkland when 3 million were killed in Cambodia.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 6:04 amOther heroes
https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/964326215413743616
narciso (d1f714) — 2/16/2018 @ 6:05 am
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/16/2018 @ 6:06 amThank you, Kishnevi. It’s difficult for me to face a week without being talked down to by your graciousness. Your condescension to make a point makes it soooo much better. And although I realize you are smarter, more educated, more noble and virtuous than I, still from reading other historic writings by Jay, Madison and Jefferson during the course of my uneducated and ignorant life I still disagree with your opinion of the second amendment and it’s reason for existence. I just don’t recall reading where any of them thought the second would in any way substitute for an army especially since we had an army.
@74…You have an excellent point, Dave especially “the police and the FBI can only deprive you of your liberty if you’ve committed a crime or appear to be about to do so in the very near future.”
Again, on the one hand Liberty on the other safety. (Insert favorite quote here). But I was just trying to point out that these people all had FBI profiles and perhaps, just perhaps the FBI dropped the ball a couple times. I realize nothing is perfect least wise a government agency like the FBI however, when they screw up we die.
As you probably guess, Dave, I’m not the sort to give up my Liberty for security to the degree necessary to be 100% safe, or 90% or whatever percent would require me to disarm so crazy or evil people and the government would be the only ones who are armed. I’ve noticed in history that when the crazy and evil people and the government are the only ones armed the crazy and evil people become the government.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/16/2018 @ 6:22 amActually, the Constitution does not provide for a standing army. It provides for a two-year army. A standing navy, however, seems to be ok.
Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have power to …
But my view of the Second Amendment is that it abolished the feudal distinction between an upper class which was allowed to bear arms and a lower class which was not. Which is what the gun controllers want to bring back, by having only the police and military, but not civilians, be armed.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 6:29 amCondolences, urbanleftbehind.
mg (47ca93) — 2/16/2018 @ 7:49 amAnother SCHMUCKabee?
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/02/16/rosemary-collyer-moves-to-lock-down-the-fisa-court/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 7:51 amMormon culture vs Trump..a factor?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/romney-utah-campaign/553472/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 7:56 amSorry to hear urban
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 7:58 amhttps://www.amazon.com/Who-Dies-Investigation-Conscious-Living/dp/0385262213
I realized, after reading …
https://www.amazon.com/Two-Leggings-Making-Crow-Warrior/dp/0803283512
…I was more of a Crow than she’ll ever be a Cherokee. At least I had the decency to read a book. Feel free to shoot me if ever find it within myself to contribute my recipe for Pere al Vino Rosso to a monstrosity approaching “Pow Wow Chow.”
Or, just ask me for the recipe for the vino rosso and we can call it a day.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 8:58 amElizabeth Warren is the she I was thinking of.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 8:59 amThere are heroes in war too. No doubt this man is a hero. But heroes are also used to glorify war. But war is not glorious. It’s mainly just killing people. It’s almost as if it’s an argument to let the massacres go on and do nothing about it. I don’t know what Aaron would think about that.
Tillman (a95660) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:02 amI’m fine with recognizing this man, and others, who sacrificed themselves. I’m not so comfortable if it’s used in a way to try to glorify mass shootings in any way. To coin a term, these slaughters need to be gorified, not glorified.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/15/oregon-domestic-violence-gun-bill-passes-house-has-support-senate/343045002/
I’ve seen this abused by mommy court where female bias works for them in false accusations the court never resolves for their own financial gain in county revenue
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:09 amShow me a hero and I’ll write you a tragedy. — F. Scott Fitzgerald
It’s how it is.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:10 amHeroes are only found in adversity. Without it, they are at best philanthropists.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:12 am108. Almost, nk, actually the best heroes prevent tragedies.
Tillman (a95660) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:14 amPatterico is a hero to the extent that he has gotten killers (and other horrible people) out of our society. He has prevented tragedies.
Tillman (a95660) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:17 amThe word Hero gets bandied about and watered down a lot but giving your life for others certainly qualifies.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:22 amTrade War coming
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The Department of Commerce will recommend tariffs on steel and aluminum that, if applied, would be the first shots in a global trade war, according to two sources briefed on the report.
Aluminum: 7.7% tariff on all aluminum exports from all countries. 23.5% on all products from China, Russia, Venezuela and Vietnam. A quota on imports from all countries to a maximum of 86.7% of their 2017 exports to the U.S.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:28 amSteel: Global tariff of 24% on all imports. Tariff of 53% (at least) on steel imports from Brazil, China, Costa Rica, Egypt, India, Malaysia, Korea, Russia, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey and Vietnam. A quota of 63% of 2017 exports for the countries listed in the prior sentence. All other countries can export at 100% of 2017 levels, but above that face tariffs.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:41 amYou found no glory when you were at war? In none of your battles or firefights you never discovered your inner hero, your valor or your cowardice? I’m sure with all the battlefield experience you’ve accumulated you have an expert opinion of war and glory. Tell me, at any time while you were in battle did you ever have to overcome paralyzing fear to save a friend or kill an enemy? I’m interested because you seem to know so much about glory.
In the fall of 1958 Theodore Kaczynski, a brilliant but vulnerable boy of sixteen, entered Harvard College. There he encountered a prevailing intellectual atmosphere of anti-technological despair. There, also, he was deceived into subjecting himself to a series of purposely brutalizing psychological experiments—experiments that may have confirmed his still-forming belief in the evil of science. Was the Unabomber born at Harvard? A look inside the files
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:45 amBREAKING: Trump administration failed to follow-up on January 5 tip about shooter
Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:48 amthe sleazy incompetent Chris Wray fbi has its priorities way out of wack
and people are dying
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:51 amYou don’t know just what I want to tell you to do to yourself.
I don’t know of anyone who can prevent an entire tragedy. Not entirely. But I know of heroes who prevented a bad situation from getting worse. Here’s one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oUtJxE4sjs
Hero is not a word I throw around lightly.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:53 amHoagie, while heroic acts can happen in any dangerous situation, war in general is not glorious. It might be a necessary means to preserve your country, but never glorious in general – only a necessary evil.
Tillman (a95660) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:55 amAlmost, nk, actually the best heroes prevent tragedies.
Absolutely. And Aaron Feis saved the lives of the students for whom he took the bullets intended for them.
The root word of hero, hera, is beneficial acts. Someone who only suffers without conferring a benefit on others is at best only a martyr.
Hero = extraordinary benefit to others in the face of extraordinary adversity.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:57 amThe root word of hero, hera, *means* beneficial acts.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 9:59 amI have trouble believing that even Donald Trump could be that stupid.
Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:01 amYou almost certainly must die to get CMH but Silver Star is still heroic.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:03 amI can understand the confusion in today’s pop culture, with Hollywood and paperback writers glorifying dragons, vampires, serial killers, hitmen, robbers, drug dealers, spies, hookers, and even cannibals. Our remote ancestors who gave us the word “hero” had their heads on more straight.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:03 amBreaking: Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals for US election meddling
Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:03 amI doubt Trump gets into the numbers Dave.
Make it a yuge amount guys
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:04 amhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-robert-muellers-probe.html
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:05 amWill the Russians call President Trump as a witness to testify that they dint do nuffin?
Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:06 amHoagie didn’t like Deer Hunter?
Converted anti-war hero.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:07 am122. Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:01 am
Of course he is. This is one of his few longtime positions.
Donald Trump believes imports are harmful to the U.S. economy, and exports helpful, and if imports are not copunterbalanced by exports, he thinks it is a problem.
He’s got nobody to argue against that idea with him in the White House, and if somebody does try, it is not in a way he understands, because they don’t have a deep understanding of this themselves.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:08 amOK, Spanky. Turn off the TV and get that porn model off your lap. No, I don’t care if she’s your wife. Now listen up, Imma explain this one more time.
If China gave us steel for free, that would be sweet, wouldn’t it? Our companies could use that steel to make products and sell them cheaper than if we’d had to pay full price for the steel, right? And because it costs less to make the products, their prices will be lower and more people will be able to afford those products, so the companies will be able to produce and sell more of them.
OK, so the Chinese aren’t gonna give us steel for free, but they WILL give it to us for a lot less than it would cost to make it ourselves, or to buy it elsewhere. We still get all the same benefits, just a little less than if the steel was completely free.
Even an ignorant dolt like you can understand that, can’t you, Spanky?
Dave (b9fc4b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:21 amBreaking: Russians have been meddling in U.S. elections since 1917.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:21 amWe have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
I believe this to be true for many Agents and associates in the Main, but unfortunately it’s a laggardly bureaucracy and not just FBI.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:23 amSteve57 approves the Alien and Sedition Act.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:24 amwe know the FBI is incompetent and perverted but come again?
why did they need a super-special sleazy dildo-lick like Robert Mueller to do their job for them?
there’s nothing about this indictment what remotely suggests this investigation couldn’t have been handled by rank-and-file fbi jackoffs and various other entities
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:25 amAch! Teh Heroes of liberty.
The Alien Enemies Acts remained in effect at the outset of World War I.[29] It was recodified to be part of the US war and national defense statutes (50 USC 21–24).[29]
On December 7, 1941, responding to the bombing of Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt used the authority of the revised Alien Enemies Act to issue presidential proclamations 2525 (Alien Enemies – Japanese), 2526 (Alien Enemies – German), and 2527 (Alien Enemies – Italian), to apprehend, restrain, secure and remove Japanese, German, and Italian non-citizens.[29] On February 19, 1942, citing authority of the wartime powers of the president and commander in chief, Roosevelt made Executive Order 9066, authorizing the Secretary of War to prescribe military areas and giving him authority that superseded the authority of other executives under Proclamations 2525-7. EO 9066 led to the internment of Japanese Americans, whereby over 110,000 people of Japanese ancestry living on the Pacific coast were forcibly relocated and forced to live in camps in the interior of the country, 62% of whom were United States citizens, not aliens.[30][31]
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:26 am124. nk, have you seen the new movie 12 Strong? I have – it’s a war hero movie. Yes, they still make ’em.
Tillman (a95660) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:27 amUncommon Valor
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:29 amChinese steel is not trustworthy. My Chinese knives are wonderful examples of the CNC machinist’s art (and the genius of the American, German and Russian knifemakers from whom the designs were stolen), but the sharpness and edge holding leave a great deal to be desired. They do not come close to my thirty plus years old American knives.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:29 amThere’s really three ways to deal with it:
Rigorously identify mental health issues,with all the intrusiveness and potential for abuse that entails.
Turned schools and other places into minifortresses which the public must accept for the sake of education, shopping,etc–not just armed teachers and bulletproof doors, but vetting and security checks for everyone who enters and leaves
Heavily restricting the sorts of guns and ammo the public can buy and locations where they can buy them.
Your choice–but I think the first two possibilities mean far greater infringement on liberty than anything the third option could produce.
Kishnevi (a2d7ac) — 2/15/2018 @ 6:53 pm
Really? The other two choices are not intrusive and do not have any potential for abuse? Just the first?
felipe (5b25e2) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:31 amI don’t know what an observation of an obvious fact has to do with approval of a specific law. Perhaps the @$$hole might want to explain.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:31 amhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-13-russian-election-trolls
Yup.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:32 amMaybe a specific question from the trollop…
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:32 am139
Harbor Freight quality tools though?…
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:34 amI have a feeling by Mueller’s definition NBC has been meddling in US elections since 1926.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:34 amBreaking: Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals for US election meddling
Breaking: Mueller indicts a ham sandwich.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:34 amNearly everything comes from China.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:35 amBut ham sandwiches come from Russia.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:36 amCampaign was duped by Russians
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:38 am.lol.
The Russians had to be twice as smart as Trumpets in order to succeed.
Fortunately for the Russians this was not difficult.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:39 amI trust K-Bar, Columbia River Knife and Tool, and Case. That’s pretty much it. But that covers a lot of ground.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:40 amnk, have you seen the new movie 12 Strong? I have – it’s a war hero movie.
No, I haven’t. I think the last war movie I saw was The Enemy At The Gates, about a Russian sniper at the Siege of Stalingrad. It was interesting because I knew the backstory from WWII history books. Stalin’s propaganda machine made a popular hero out of a back-shooting, long-distance bushwhacker, and then Hollywood did it again fifty years later.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:42 amNo Collusion but lots of dumbasses.
Wasn’t Andrew Johnson impeached for stupidity?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:43 amWere these Russians committing wanton acts of free speech?
Betcha they did.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:45 amGood Gawd another Golem
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16/trump-evangelical-ally-seeking-gowdy-s-south-carolina-house-seat
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:48 amMy precious!
https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/02/benjamin-netanyahu-charged-180215104012576.html
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:50 amBreaking: Wind
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:50 amI have a Harbor Freight die grinder. Good quality oil makes it last a long time.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:51 amSteve, I know you don’t like to click my links, but I promise this one is an eight-minute video of my favorite new knife. (Not the $130 version; the $19.00 version.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18COB8vwXEg
It’s a work of art, in both design and fit and finish. Check out how it opens like a switchblade without any springs or buttons — just lack of friction; and locks without a separate locking mechanism — just a cutout on one scale which makes part of it a locking bar.
nk (dbc370) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:52 amdie grinder
Their extended warranty is a must.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/16/2018 @ 10:59 amA few years back I heard gun fire in the middle of the night. Close by. Less than a block away. I was dressed [edit]ing off with the computer, so I went outside. Heard it again. Ran toward the shots.
My next door neighbor was out ahead of me taking cover behind a tree, motioning me over.
We’re both over there taking peeks from behind the tree when shots rang out again.
It wasn’t shots. It was bottle rockets being shot off by some clown in a backyard across the street from the tree we were crouched behind.
Being a hero is a matter of circumstances. You probably have it in you built in.
Hopefully the situation never comes up where you have to use it.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/16/2018 @ 11:02 amI must have bought that 1/4″ angle die grinder in 2010. I’m a disciple of David Vizard the Wizard of horsepower fame.
https://www.facebook.com/DavidVizardAuto
It was from him I learned to make Harbor Freight tools last. Ask me about my welder.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 12:32 pmA small price to pay for our second amendment rights! ban gun grabbers not guns. our motto should be oppose gun control or leave america.
america first (9766fa) — 2/16/2018 @ 12:36 pmEven now, Rob Lasky, the F.B.I. special agent in charge in Miami, wasn’t willing to say it was definitely the same person.
Other missed chances:
1. Somebody talked Nikolas Cruz out oif doing soemthing like that a few years ago.
2. In the day of the massacre, Cruz encountered someone he knew, who sqw him with the gun, but he ddin’t want to kll him, or wasn’t ready to start, so he told him to get out of there:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-nikolas-cruz-warned-freshman-chris-mckenna-parkland-latest-a8214851.html
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/16/2018 @ 1:14 pmWhat price have you paid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=415HQ1t2ZNI
Yeah, it wasn’t the biggest price ever paid. I am eternally grateful for that. But still, I paid a price.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/16/2018 @ 2:40 pm