Loyalty to America’s Founding Principles vs. Loyalty to a President or a Party
One thing Donald Trump does a lot is demand loyalty. Indeed, I often hear Trump supporters talk about the importance of loyalty — loyalty to our President, and loyalty to his party. This world is going to hell in a handbasket, they lament, because there just isn’t any loyalty any more. And as these people fight in the trenches, often taking embarrassingly laughable partisan positions to fight for “their” side, they shed a tear for those who refuse to join them in such antics.
Loyalty can be an admirable trait, but it can also be a perversion if you’re loyal to the wrong thing or people. The key mistake people make, I think, is instilling a sense of loyalty to an organization, as opposed to the principles for which it stands.
A smart fellow named Jerry Pournelle once announced the Iron Law of Bureaucracy, which states: “In any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. . . . Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. . . . The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.”
Pournelle cites as examples of those dedicated to the organization’s principles “dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.” As examples of those dedicated to the organization itself, he cites “many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.”
You get the picture. I think Pournelle’s observation is often accurate. But sometimes you need those people dedicated to the organization’s preservation — because organizations can be important — as long as they serve the principles for which they exist.
Take the military, for example. The military exists to preserve and defend the nation. This is important. For good reasons, in the military, the concept of loyalty to the organization and to the country is important. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. You can’t have a bunch of soldiers running around owing loyalty to inchoate principles, or they won’t know what orders to follow. They have to have loyalty to their comrades in arms, to their superiors, to the organization they belong to, and ultimately to the country they serve. People in the military can’t go around saying: “I disagree with this war I am being sent to, so I will remain in the organization but refuse to go.” That doesn’t work, because of the nature of the military. Either you follow orders and don’t carp about it, or you get out.
But civilian society is different. To tell someone: “if you don’t like what President Trump is doing, get out of the country” is as unAmerican as it gets.
And ultimately, civilian society is what makes or breaks a country. We believe the military is a good thing because we believe in the principles of the United States. Because we believe the country is worth preserving. We would prefer that the armies that fought for the great genocidal dictators of the 20th century had owed their loyalty to humanity and not to the monsters who gave them orders. But that will never happen. Armies will always follow orders. It is largely up to civilian society to make sure that a country follows its principles. And this requires constantly questioning those in authority.
Loyalty to America and to the flag might mean doing whatever the President says — defending his every Twitter excretion as the received Word. But those who are loyal to this country’s principles can and should question whether the people running our party or our country are promoting those principles — the reasons this country was founded.
Ultimately, if you owe your loyalty to an organization, as opposed to the principles of the organization, the Iron Law of Bureaucracy says that you aren’t necessarily working on behalf of the organization’s principles. You’re working to preserve the organization itself.
So if you’re disappointed in someone’s lack of loyalty to Trump or the flag or the GOP or whatever, understand that their loyalty may lie with this country’s founding principles, and not the current people in power at the moment.
And there’s nothing wrong with that, at all.
Redstate quotes The Hill quoting CNN quoting anonymous sources.
Maybe that is why you hear often Trump supporters say something that I rarely hear. Poor sourcing.
BTW, CNN just sucked another egg on what they heard about Wray.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 2/1/2018 @ 1:53 pmso what category does that fall into:
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-documents-reveal-state-department-provided-classified-records-sen-ben-cardin-undermine-president-trump/
how about fast and furious, anyone went to jail over that, or the irs, on the email server,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 1:54 pmwho are they loyal to again:
https://saraacarter.com/new-strzok-page-emails-discuss-evasion-message-archiving/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 1:56 pmTotally agree, and at some point you have to get results. The Constitution itself is actually not a great example of loyalty to principle, as it included tacit acceptance of slavery — and a way to amend it away later. The Founders were loyal to principle, but had to get results. Anything wrong with that? Were they loyal to the “organization”? Put yourself in a time machine and let me know what you would’ve done.
If you want to hold out for your ideal world, with unicorns and mermaids, you can claim loyalty to principles I suppose. That and $1 will get you a value meal at McD’s.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 1:58 pmFollow-up, water is wet.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:02 pmthere’s a lot of seditious trash all up in the failmerican government
trash like Sally Yates and Jim Comey
trash like Jeff Flake and Meghan’s cowardpig daddy
trash like a countless number of lawless judges at the district and appeals courts
it seems like President Trump is less demanding of loyalty than bent on asking people to show their cards
if he demanded loyalty why would he allow a corrupt sleazy FBI suckboy like Chris Wray to stay one more day
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:07 pmWell, for 30 years we on the right have been told this, it’s the principles that matter. Unfortunately, we haven’t had a man in the white house to advance those principles and so they never get advanced. Now we get a man advancing the principles, and we are told that man isn’t worthy to advance the principles he’s advancing because the way he is doing it isn’t principled enough.
Your principles aren’t worth spit if you don’t have a man, a leader, that will enact them. Nevertrumpers hide behind their principles they would rather talk about then achieve, because really they are about style, not substance. Trump supporters admire and appreciate the man
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:08 pmOops, posted too soon,
Appreciate the man because he is advancing our principles, not because of who the man is.
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:11 pm“Your principles aren’t worth spit if you don’t have a man, a leader, that will enact them.”
– TheBas
By “enact,” do you mean “successfully enact,” or “attempt to enact”? Because if you mean “successfully enact,” you are writing off as “not worth spit” a whole lot of extremely noble but ultimately doomed causes.
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:13 pmThe zero-sum nature of substantive policy making is way easier to address and mitigate in a legislative context than it is in the context of a unitary executive.
The thing is, though, that they should always be addressed together. The Executive’s job is to execute the policy preferences of the Legislature. If the Legislature is too convoluted or gridlocked to express any policy preferences, the Executive should be inactive.
In my opinion, conservatives spend waaaay too much time worrying about the activist Judiciary and not nearly enough time worrying about the activist Executive.
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:31 pmOne thing Donald Trump does a lot is demand loyalty.
Good. He’s the one elected to lead the executive branch.
I hope people read the redstate article you linked, and then decide who is more loyal to the organization, Rosenstein or Trump? It concludes:
And now we see Trump, while requesting Rosenstein’s loyalty, is absolutely the same Donald Trump who has no loyalty for anyone else.
An elected executive, accountable to the people, versus an unelected subordinate — really, how do we resolve this? It’s just so confusing….
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:32 pmI guess that depends on what you mean by “attempt” to enact. Seems conservatives love talking about their principles as if that was an attempt to advance them. They just won’t do what they have to to actually enact them, because that’s just unseemly and not proper, and the media might say mean things about them.
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:32 pm“The Executive’s job is to execute the policy preferences of the Legislature”
You’re joking, right?
Ever hear of checks and balances?
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:34 pmIn any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely
EPWJ (3630a4) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:34 pmThe hole in the point made by the author concerns how the “principles” of the organization come to be defined, and who gets to define them.
You are only a supporter of the “organization” or the “principles of the organization” when you understand the principles, and each person gets to reserve unto themselves such defining determinations.
I guarantee you that people who you identify as defending only the “organization” would 100% steadfastly protest any effort to try to pigeonhole them into a group that supports the organization over its principles.
So, to say “I support the principles of the Presidency as the head of our democracy, I refuse to support the current occupant of the WH” is simply another example of “virtue signaling.”
“I know the important foundations of the US constituational democratic republic, and you rubes who support Trump don’t — but I can accept and forgive the fact that you bumkins don’t while we all wait for this long national embarrassment to pass.”
Gee, thanks.
shipwreckedcrew (63c080) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:35 pmI can see Pourmelles point and I can see how it would square with Conquests 2nd and 3rd. laws:
Robert Conquest’s Three Laws of politics.
1. Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.
2. Any organization not explicitly and constitutionally right-wing will sooner or later become left-wing.
3. The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.
People, not just “Trumpers” are loyal to the president because he is the president. He’s not a dictator, a King or some other potentate. The man was elected in a Free Republic and if we the people decide we don’t like him there’s another election in a few years. That used to be good enough. But the last two Republican presidents were declared invalid and not fit by the democrats on day one. This Republic will not survive if we don’t agree on the validity of elections if the other team wins. The problem with that is a blind man can spot voter fraud and the democrats won’t admit it exists. Plus, the democrats are flooding America (stuffing the ballot box) with all kinds of not-Americans that they can manipulate with perks and give-aways in the form of immigrants-legal and illegal. There is not one reason good for this country to allow any immigrants whatsoever into this nation if and until the ones currently here are 1)assimilated, 2)speak and read English, 3)have a job and are completely off any assistance. The only exceptions would be foreigners with specialized abilities or foreigners bringing in massive wealth to this country. Bringing in ten million poor Mexican, another then million poor Africans and another ten million poor Middle Easterners is in no way good for anything except getting democrats elected for the next hundred years.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:37 pmLevit @ 10? LOL. Really?
What’s that little thing called a “veto” all about?
Or even the requirement that the Pres. sign legislation passed by Cong. before it has the force of law?
Did you skip Art. II in school?
shipwreckedcrew (63c080) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:42 pmTrump’s principles are conservative principles only if you think of conservative as implying social conservative and state authority as central principles. If you think of conservative as meaning maximizing individual liberty and minimizing government intrusion, then he is no more conservative than Barack Obama. In fact, on certain issues such as asset forfeiture, he would be considered less conservative.
But more broadly, if a principle does not always apply, then it is not a principle, and only a self serving rationalization.
Kishnevi (c5cd7d) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:42 pmRandom viking– was Trump asking for loyalty to Trump the man or Trump the POTUS? You may think the latter, but reasonable people can see it differently.
Kishnevi (c5cd7d) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:48 pmTheBas@13
Well, that’s actually what the Constitution envisaged.
Kishnevi (c5cd7d) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:49 pmRev Hoagie @16
Kishnevi (c5cd7d) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:54 pmYou know, those are the arguments that were used to try to justify keeping my grandparents out of this country. They were the arguments of ignorant bigotry then, they are the arguments of ignorant bigotry now. So if I sound a bit excessive when I say *”&&$*$6 you–I’m not really.
@18…Trumps principles are not why people support Trump. The things he’s done so far are and they are for the most part conservative. From his stance on Climate and immigration to his approach on tax and regulations. Since he passed nor signed any laws regarding asset forfeiture that story has yet to be written and is of no bearing on his conservative actions.
Any conservative or even Republican who is a never Trumper is so because he hates Trump the person because he has done nothing but conservative acts since he was elected. So all these lame excuses about his “virtue” and his rudeness and vulgarity have nothing to do with reducing regs and nominating Gorsuch for the bench.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:54 pm@19: Kishnevi, I’m interested in how you would differentiate the two.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 2:54 pmSo Mueller botching the anthrax inquiry conspiring with comeys and goldsmith, against Gonzalez re terrorist surveillance that is merely coincidence or enemy action, how about soufan and co, protecting the terrorist who tried to take out the liberty tower, then there is this:www.wnd.com/2018/01/clintons-strobe-talbott-linked-to-2nd-russia-dossier
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:02 pmSorry this link;
http://wnd.com/2018/01/clintons-strobe-talbott-linked-to-2nd-russia-dossier
How about walker refusing to sack chisholm, for reasons unclear, how is it no one from Stevens kangaroo court to the IRS goes to jail
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:04 pmKishnevi, your grandparents came at a different time in America and if those “same arguments” were used then it does not mean they are not valid now. And once again instead of offering one good reason we need to accept ten million Mexicans, ten million Africans and ten million ME you call me names. The only bigot here is you, against me. I’m not calling you names, I’m saying you’re wrong. I’m saying we’ve taken in around 30 million Mexicans alone since 1965 and we need a breather. Right out of the box you start with the name calling. Great way to never face the question just shout down anyone who asks it. I guess I should feel renounced like I live in N. Korea or something.
You call me a bigot but you need to understand I’m against any immigration by anyone until we’ve assimilated those we have. That includes ten million Swedes, Englishmen and Australians. We don’t need more people. Not now, maybe some day.
But just to play the advocate, why is it bigoted to want to halt import millions of people of other races but not bigoted to want to dilute the current racial profile? Why aren’t the virtuous diversity proponents trying to diversify Japan, China, Kenya, Venezuela? Why do only countries with a majority white need diversity? Go ahead and shout me down again.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:10 pmIronic in light of talbott touting the grishenko nonsense,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:16 pmunlike carter page he has been a stooge for the Russians since
victor Louis, helped him get the kruschev memoirs
“You’re joking, right?
Ever hear of checks and balances?”
– TheBas
As I recall, the Executive “check” on the Legislature is supposed to be the Executive veto – not the “Executive invention of new policy preferences that he proceeds to execute.”
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:24 pmthis is a very curious post to write on the eve of us all finding out just exactly how loyal the cowardly scumsuck FBI has been to America’s founding principles
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:25 pmAh, I see that I missed a comment from shipwreckedcrew explaining the Executive veto.
Thanks, shipwreckedcrew! Did you read my next sentence, where I stated that “if the Legislature is too convoluted or gridlocked to express any policy preferences, the Executive should be inactive”? Did that not illuminate my point for you?
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:27 pmI’m arguing against an activist Executive, not for an all-powerful Legislature. Remember when conservatives wanted limited government?
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:29 pm“Trump” and “loyalty” do not belong in the same sentence. He, himself, is not loyal to anyone — from his wives to all the people who put him in the White House and who knows how many others. And I very much doubt that he is especially loyal to America either. What he calls “loyalty” is the mewling of a baby who wants 100% of mommy’s affection and attention.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:37 pmThat nails it.
Soldiers swear an oath to the Constitution for that very reason, I think.
When I was a public employee I was loyal to the goals of the organization, to common decency to our users, and to avoiding any sense of impropriety. Never took a Christmas gift. So at least I have my honor still.
Patricia (3363ec) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:39 pmBut the real reason I could never develop any personal loyalty for him is that his eunuchnoid, androgynous appearance makes my skin crawl.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:44 pmWhich “checks & balances” were involved in secretly sending billions in cash to mullahs who supported terrorism against Americans? Where was the “loyalty” directed by those who oversaw these payments?
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:49 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:49 pmI think real conservatives still want limited government but when hundreds of executive orders and court decisions have changed the meaning of everything from what a dreamer is to what constitutes an actual male and female the Marquise of Queensbury rules my no longer be good enough to effect change. Trump accomplished more conservative initiatives in one year than any republican/conservative president or congress since Reagan. And I don’t think he broke any laws nor further shredded the Constitution doing it.
31 – I’m all for a part-time legislature with a stipend rather than salaries. If Congress would just adjourn for 2 years and not pass any new laws I think life would improve. Getting on a flight. Will cont in a bit.
Shipwreckedcrew (62db1f) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:50 pm34, on that note one could say it’s not a long drive between Donald Trump and Dick Van Patten.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:52 pmi’m loyal to President Trump one hundred percent like the deserts miss the rain
he’s my number one favorite
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:52 pmI associate myself with these remarks, made by former President Theodore Roosevelt in an editorial published in the Kansas City Star on May 7, 1918, during WW1.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:53 pm34, on that note one could say it’s not a long drive between Donald Trump and Dick Van Patten.
I would say Liberace. Also Lindsay Graham.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:13 pmExcept the executive has virtually unlimited power when democrat, yet must be checked constantly when its a republican, same with the legislature, or the supreme court. In fact he is deemed illegitimate because of hanging Chad or diebold or meh russia,
If you watched Latin tv, no hay tregua, there is no compromise, they dint go as far as directly defending the Ms 13, they sidestep the question. Everything is a never ending parade of how this country is ireedemable, except they must stay here all 11-25 million because reasons
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:15 pmExcellent, thoughtful and timely.Patterico.
I would add that we confuse personalities with ideals and conflate them to our demise the same way many confuse the symbol (flag) with the sacred philosophy. It’s difficult for a literalist to conceive the Flag is not a living thing but it’s fulfillment is bulletproof as opposed to flesh and cloth flag.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:19 pmWell done, Patricia.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:20 pmOf course if we are talking loyalty to Trump then it takes a comic turn.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:25 pmThe situation wee not as bad in the 80s, at state there was the accommodationist like Richard Burt and tom endears ,but then thaere was also the late general Rowney and Perle, at defense there was Lawrence orb but also and John Lehman and Fred ikle likewise at the nsc there was pipes and later constantine merges. By the time of w, it was all out trench warfare, Armitage and wilkerson and haas were always badmouthing Perle and wolfowitz and feith in places like gq as well as Carlos slims and the post. It took nearly a year for negroponte to be confirmed for UN ambassador
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:31 pmBless his heart, TR was from a generation that still understood and preserved the difference between “disinterested” and “uninterested.” If you’re on trial for your life, you want a judge who is interested in the testimony and evidence, uninterested in what the newspapers are saying, and disinterested in making his rulings and rendering judgment.
When I came across TR’s quote (#40 above), I immediately thought of several lickspittle Trumpkins who regularly comment here. The best present I got in the entirety of 2017 was that blocking script.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:31 pmThere were no special prosecutors then, it wee assumed prosecutors could balance political opinions and their duties. That really came into being with Nixon, yes I know kennesaw mountain Landis, that’s wasnt a federal administrative concern.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:35 pm“When I was a public employee I was loyal to the goals of the organization, to common decency to our users, and to avoiding any sense of impropriety. Never took a Christmas gift. So at least I have my honor still.”
In college one of my instructors was a retired state employee who had managed a district comprising several counties along the west slope of the southern Sierra Nevada. One of the most honest and competent persons I ever met with a sterling reputation.
I’ll never forget when he said a catastrophe was coming because the people replacing managers like himself were no longer loyal to the rules and laws that help best run things fairly and equally, but loyal only to the state Democratic machine…..and he was a lifelong Democrat.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:38 pmAt the company it was a den of vipers, if not from tenet directly, but John mcglauglin, Robert grenier, Paul pillar,futon Armstrong , Robert dannenberg, john Maguire kirikaou wee among the worst, and they all leaked to Shane, priest Mayer bravin sanger, often and vociferously
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:41 pmYes, yes. Becuz….Democrats. Lol!
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:41 pmOh!,the majestic symbolism..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/02/01/cdc-to-cut-global-disease-outbreak-prevention-by-80-percent/?utm_term=.b0816623ff3a
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:44 pm“Stephen King
@StephenKing
A trainload of Republicans on their way to a pricey retreat hit a garbage truck. My friend Russ calls that karma.
10:00 AM · Feb 1, 2018
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Alex Griswold
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:46 pm@HashtagGriswold
Karma for who, the innocent truck driver who died, or his coworker in critical condition?
How many youngsters died last week from the flu?
Post-birth abortions.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:47 pmDana: I am very upset at the disdain for young life in your Party.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:49 pmMark Felt and John Dean were on Nixon’s team too, until they weren’t.
crazy (d99a88) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:51 pmStephen King
@StephenKing
A trainload of Republicans on their way to a pricey retreat hit a garbage truck. My friend Russ calls that karma.
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Ben Shapiro
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:52 pm@benshapiro
This kind of tweet makes me wonder if karma will be you getting dragged into a sewer by a clown.
Or mauled by a possessed St. Bernard, or whatever that car in Christine was. Paul pillar has been tillersons mouthpiece at national interest
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:57 pmThe late David Brinkley told the story of interviewing a NASA official amidst the success and euphoria of the Apollo 11 moon landing and asking what it all meant– hoping to mine some nugget of philosophical perspective about it all. And w/o missing a beat, the official responded it meant the agency had a good chance at getting fully funded for fiscal 1970.
Back in the day had a neighbor, devout Catholic, who was w/t FBI and involved w/t Berrigan case.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:57 pmRecall asking him once if he was loyal to the agency or Hoover. He wouldn’t- or couldn’t- answer. Perhaps because in his time, the FBI was Hoover.
Have Collins get out her talking stick ! Or have them arrested.
C’mon. You’ve got everyone behind you.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/01/fbi-memo-gop-retreat-383650
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:58 pmThank you, Beldar. We seem to have forgotten that being a citizen means believing in our founding principles, not in men. We can tell when principles are flawed, even though we may not realize our leaders are lying to us. That is why the road to tyranny is when our leaders becomes more important than our principles.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:58 pmI want to urge all Trumpkins to go Full Metal Jacket R. Lee Ermy on the rest of the Country.
It’s the only way to be sure.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:01 pmSeriously, DRJ, after the last 16 years how are you is this naive. The GOP thinks its tennis, the deems know it ma, all out political warfare, we need a domestic version ofvthe Doolittle memorandum
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:08 pmWhat about overgrown kids and flu? Spencer and Miller weep for alma mater:
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:09 pmhttp://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/duke-forces-students-at-krzyzewskiville-to-fold-their-tents-due-to-flu-outbreak/
A little context. FBI chief’s claim on surveillance abuse doesn’t fit the evidence
crazy (d99a88) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:12 pmSo far, I have been pleasantly surprised by most of what Trump has done since January 2017. Barack Obama and his like-minded members of his crime family did more damage over 8 years than most people give him “credit” for, and I think our country dodged an ICBM when Clinton lost. She would have had another 8 years to compound the damage at best, finish ruining the USA at worst.
I remember feeling despondent when Romney lost the 2012 election… I thought well, if people actually believe this country’s future is in good hands with 0bama, we’re toast. Now, I’m cheered by what I see.
Others have a right to their opinion, but they can sell that to someone else, there’s too much at stake.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:12 pmIf memory serves, the SS pledged loyalty to Adolf Hitler over Germany.
CoS Kelly might do well to revisit that. Maybe sit in on some classes; It’s likely taught in Salcido’s El Rancho High School classroom.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:12 pmnarciso,
Obama and Trump are two sides of the same coin, narciso. They lead by asking people to believe in them, not what they say. Bush 43 did not do that.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:14 pmDoes anyone find it a bit odd that a garbage truck should curiously come to a stop on the railroad tracks just as a special Amtrak train carrying the GOP’s congressional contingent arrived?
Additionally, why would the 3 garbage men sit in the truck and wait for the inevitable impact? Wouldn’t you jump out and run like hell? I would.
This incident doesn’t pass the smell test.
ropelight (295eb8) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:15 pmSo Wray wanted to redact the names of DOJ and FBI personnel who broke the law during the past 20 months. Fvck him and the Rosenstein he rode in on.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:16 pmBut if believing in our founding principles is naive, so be it. I’m in good company.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:16 pm69… yes, my wife sure did.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:16 pmYes, and look what that bought him, his supporters abandoned him and his detractors loathed him, lesson learned this is why I cover a span of nearly 40 years of political warfare.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:17 pmThis incident doesn’t pass the smell test.
I smell Pizza for Pedophiles.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:18 pmAll the German armed forces and civil servants pledged allegiance to Hitler by name after 1934.
Military oath:
“I swear to God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German Empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath.”
Civil servant oath:
“I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Adolf Hitler, to observe the law, and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.”
Trumpkin oath:
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:18 pmHail MAGA! Hail Orange Skull!
Bengazzzeee!
Seth Rich!
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:19 pm62… Dimocrats haven’t been violent enough for the likes of you, Beenburned? One crazed incident after another…
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:20 pmDRJ
Bush demanded loyalty, strict loyalty
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:20 pm69.Does anyone find it a bit odd that a garbage truck should curiously come to a stop on the railroad tracks just as a special Amtrak train carrying the GOP’s congressional contingent arrived?
Pffft.
No. The local news there reported a ‘lip’ on the roadway near the crossing had a tendency to catch on the bottom of some trucks and hang them up. Infrastructure repair has never been a GOP priority. But there were flying saucers in the area.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:21 pmropelight,
Are you addicted to conspiracy theories? Trains hit vehicles/people every day. Trains come up quickly, before many drivers realize they are in danger, and often drivers think they have time to get across when theydon’t.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:21 pmI know the Bush-Cheney campaign occasionally requires the people who attend its events to sign loyalty oaths, but this was the first time I have ever seen an audience actually stand and utter one. Maybe they’ve replaced the written oath with a verbal one.
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:22 pmNot a lot of schools or streets named for Joe McCarthy
Comey
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:23 pmI believe in the principles but they dont, but they pretend they do, Jeremy bash for instance leaks the lefts equivalent to the fisa memo, the August 2001 pdb which is remarkably bereft of real data, the one given to Clinton one in December 1999, had more information, in zero dark 30 he is played by john barrowman he ended up in panettas dod and late at the firm with acting company director mike Morrell, name ring a bell.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:23 pmIn August 2004, however, then-Vice President Cheney spoke at an event in Albuquerque, but locals were only allowed to get a ticket to attend if they first signed a loyalty oath swearing they “endorse George W. Bush for reelection of the United States [sic].”
A couple of months later, at a Bush event in Florida, a Republican asked those in attendance to stand, raise their right hands, and recite a Pledge of Allegiance … to George W. Bush. As part of the oath, attendees were told to say: “Because I care, I promise to work hard to re-elect, re-elect George W. Bush as president of the United States.”
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:24 pm79
I’m really starting to be concerned about mass psychosis.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:24 pmBush wanted loyalty from his advisers, not the rank and file. I’m sure every President hates to be criticized but when did Bush ever suggest the libel rules should be changed so he couldn’t be criticized, or the media should be silenced?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:25 pmComey should do the country a favor and disappear.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:25 pmI’m impressed at how deftly many here can knock down a straw man.
Trump requests loyalty from a subordinate (see link in the post) and somehow this gets converted into a personal loyalty test for every citizen. Whereupon, every right minded person scores a hit for founding principles like kids playing tee ball.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:27 pmWho is this “we”, DRJ? One can believe in our founding principles only if they are taught, spoken and shared. Our founding principles as it were are enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution. The former is rarely mentioned and never taught any longer because of it’s reference to God and our natural rights and the latter has basically been alternately identified as a “living” (therefore meaningless) document and shredded amendment by amendment until it’s unrecognizable. All in the interest of progress by progressives. So tell me which of the founding principles are we to honor? Equality before the law when there is affirmative action and set asides and quotas? Free speech when colleges, schools quell it as hate? Freedom of religion which has been perverted to mean freedom from religion? The “right” to an abortion but the “privilege” to get a license for a firearm?
Every democrat president in our life time has been hailed as the be all end all for America from FDR to Hussein and every Republican is “literally” Hitler and you guys are worried that finally people are happy with and following Trump? Give it a rest.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:27 pmThere were a lot of things Bush didn’t do, e.g., stand up for himself, and justify his actions.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:27 pmI believe that loyalty is a cardinal virtue. Nowhere in the world is loyalty so little revered and tittle-tattle so greatly venerated as in Washington. I was a little-known political consultant until Bill Clinton made me. When he came upon hard times, I felt it my duty — whatever my personal misgivings — to stick by him. At the very least, I would have stayed silent. And maybe that’s my problem with what Bill Richardson did. Silence on his part would have spoken loudly enough…
…If Richardson was going to turn on the Clintons the way he did, I see no problem in saying what I said. Because if loyalty is one virtue, another is straight talk. And if Democrats can’t handle that, they’re going to have a hard time handling a Republican nominee who is seeking the presidency with that as his slogan.”
James Carville, angry that Bill Richardson violated the loyalty oath to the Clintons
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:28 pmDRJ
No he demanded loyalty from all under his pervue
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:29 pm87.Hillary should do the country a favor and disappear.
Fixed it for ya, Colonel.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:29 pmBtw if memory serves Ridley and Austin’s was muchelles firm, you think the partner might gently suggest its not in their interest to continue defending a certain client.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:31 pmMaybe people in certain states aren’t exposed to the sheer nonsense and soul-crushing nitwittery others are.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:31 pm@82. Charlie McCarthy is in the Smithsonian. Joe’s in the ground.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:31 pmIt was reported that such things happened at Romney campaign events, and I’m sure there were equivalents at Obama events. I don’t think you like Bush but do you really think he demanded loyalty to him, instead of the country?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:31 pmAnd they gladly gave it.
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:32 pmThat ‘my country right or wrong’ crap is just that. Crap.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:34 pm“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else.”
Thing is Beldar, I don’t think anyone has told you you can’t criticise the president, but rather that your criticism is wrong. Defending him against criticism does not equal not allowing you to criticise.
For example, nevertrumpers are forever complaining about Trump tweeting, and what he tweets, as beneath the dignity of the office, while his supporters believe in this day and age where the MSM and social media are so powerful and biased, his tweets and what he tweets are neccesary and effective. Which side is truth is a matter of opinion, but the point is, the debate is not your right to criticize the president. Even if I say you should stop complaining about it because he’s doing a masterful job at brain f***ing the left, that’s just a defence in the argument, not a general statement that you should never criticize.
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:34 pmDRJ
He likes me, so there’s that, so does Neil once upon a time ago.
Bush demanded loyalty, disk Cheney hired me once, he demanded loyalty, go figure.
Strange, senior executives demanding loyalty from their employees, just crazy
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:35 pmThat ‘my country right or wrong’ crap is just that. Crap.
Wear your Hardhat when you say that.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:36 pmMichelle’s firm, seeing the games played to secure this fisa warrant.
The ntsb has a way of letting things fade away, take that derailment in Philadelphia was it two year ago, what became of that. The mandarin. Hotel, they bureau cant find a motive, the it some chum about child porn but that’s that. The equifax hack, fireeye was the one that identified it, what came of it.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:37 pmLife is strange, a guy, gets elected chief executive of a large organization, by the stockholders, but he can’t demand that the employees of the stockholders, obey him and be loyal to him.
Oof
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:37 pmGovernment officials are not loyal to Presidents, any more than military officers are loyal to generals. They may believe in them and want to help them and their agendas, but ultimately they serve the country and the Constitution.
This is particularly true with the DOJ. Bush fell victim to putting loyalty first (arguably with Harriet Miers and Alberto Gonzales), but even Republicans pushed back. They weren’t viewed as disloyal for objecting when it was Bush but they are with Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:38 pmDana: I am very upset at the disdain for young life in your Party.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:49 pm
Dana (023079) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:40 pmExcuse me?
DRJ
Bush, Clinton and Obama all wanted the defamation laws codified into the South Carolina model making it a crime.
And it should be
Lying isn’t criticism, it’s lying and should be a crime
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:40 pmPlus loyalty is not the same as obeying orders. Doing your job is not the same as putting a President first.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:41 pmLinks, please, 107.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:41 pmRosenstein is not Trump’s attorney. He is the second from the top attorney for the United States. Trump is only his supervisor to make sure that he performs his duty as the second from the top attorney for the United States properly. And that duty includes undivided loyalty to the United States and not to some orange-skinned temporary resident of the White House.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:41 pmJoe DiGenova is on a tear… almost enough to forgive him for his thumbs-up on Eric Holder.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:42 pmAre you actually commenting that you can speak for Bush because you know him?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:43 pm52,54 and 55 give context to your query Dana
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:44 pmBecause comeys goldsmith and Mueller got their stories straight, yes the whole us atty brouhaha is instructive, Clinton can fire all 96 us atty, without complaint, bush tries to replace some but thanks to jeffords he has so walk it at axsnails pace. When the GOP regains the minority they moved less than a dozen, ragnarok
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:44 pm106… I’d say crocodile tears, but he’s really just a snake.
Colonel Haiku (0db537) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:44 pm@85 I’m really starting to be concerned about mass psychosis.
Sounds like a Catholic thing. Our Captain is a Presbyterian.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:45 pmDRJ
Wrong, govt officials by law must follow the directions of the chief executive and our laws governing much of the disclosure is a loyalty pledge
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:47 pmLet’s not forget teh MEMO
https://www.lawfareblog.com/radio-silence-intelligence-community-where-does-it-stand-memo
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:47 pmCivil service protection is about to go bye bye
Looong time overdue
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:48 pmThe admiral is one who if you asked him, he was looking forward to ayers 25 million blood price. Billy played at being Che, but he realized indoctrination and agitation, lenins combo worked better than direct action:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:48 pmhttps://babalublog.com/2018/02/01/venezuela-has-two-opposition-movements-the-real-one-and-the-one-in-service-of-the-dictatorship/
105.Government officials are not loyal to Presidents, any more than military officers are loyal to generals. They may believe in them and want to help them and their agendas, but ultimately they serve the country and the Constitution.
It’s ’31 Days of Oscar’ month on TCM, maybe you can catch ‘Seven Days In May.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:49 pmDRJ
Google is vast and wide
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:49 pmCivil service protection is about to go bye bye
McCarthyism..
We should also say goodbye to MILSPEC fraud and abuse via the Pentagon.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:50 pmWew lads. Dan Bongino is shelling down the corn on The Mark Levin Show tonight.
Adam Schiff and associates are getting the rough end of the cob.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:50 pmObama vs Corsi of Swift boat fame
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:51 pmRight ask James damore about that, the left concluded on balance, we need less education and more thought control (the embedded premise in pink Floyd’s the wall always struck me as curious: the institutions that had kept the UK free for nearly a 1,000 years (leaving out cromwell) were though control))
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:54 pmBtw this memo being declassified tomorrow
It’s one of many coming
This is going to go on for awhile
It’s going to be not so shocking to those who forgot what a machine Chicago politician could do with almost unlimited power for 8years
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:55 pmWho didn’t forget what a Chicago..
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:55 pmBut just to play the advocate, why is it bigoted to want to halt import millions of people of other races but not bigoted to want to dilute the current racial profile? Why aren’t the virtuous diversity proponents trying to diversify Japan, China, Kenya, Venezuela? Why do only countries with a majority white need diversity? Go ahead and shout me down again.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:10 pm
I heard something about a girl shooting up a school in LA, that’s diversity. Girls can do anything they set their minds too.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:56 pmLooking forward to NunesRohrabacher idea of Hell.
Personal asset disgorgement.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:57 pmIf you want to dismiss corgi, that is your right, however shearers tie to a certain nazgul and also strobe talbott is illuminating, the latter got everything wrong about the soviets during the Reagan administration like Simon schuater today.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:58 pmThe only thing worse than having money all your life, then losing it, is having it only for a short period of time .
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:00 pmThank God your on the other side narciso.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:01 pm“It’s ’31 Days of Oscar’ month on TCM, maybe you can catch ‘Seven Days In May.’”
A work of speculative fiction that won no Oscars.
Why not try On The Beach? It’s also pure fantasy, also failed to win but it’s a much better story and doesn’t treat those who oppose appeasement as traitorous scoundrels.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:03 pm34, on that note one could say it’s not a long drive between Donald Trump and Dick Van Patten.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 3:52 pm
Are you referring to them both being from Queens or is that a happy coincidence?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:06 pmIf Nunes gets voted out he can go sing for Journey.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:07 pmCuriously eight is enough was written by tom broaden, Buchanan’s dyspeptic counterpart on crossfire.
The premise of that as well as alas Babylon, was that somehow we were always at faylt
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:10 pmWhat I like about Eric (EPWJ) is how much stuff he makes up. Subordinate executive positions are creations of Congress and their duties and responsibilities are defined by law. The President’s oath to faithfully execute the laws includes letting them do their f’king jobs as prescribed by law.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:10 pmAnd you know what else? If you all believe all this crap about loyalty to Trump, then shut up about Holder and Fast and Furious, and Lynch and Comey and Hillary’s emails, because they were only being loyal to Obama and that was the right thing to do wasn’t it?
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:15 pmNk.
Sure, go with that, leak a confidential conversation with any executive branch, pentagon official, FBI agent, et al.
Sure go ahead, I’ll visit you, I’ll bring cake
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:15 pm@ TheBas (#100), who wrote:
Actually, what I’ve been told by a couple of former respected friends here whose comments I’ve now blocked is that I should “be ashamed of myself” for criticizing Trump.
You know not of what you speak, sir.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:16 pm“The California Senate approved a Republican bill to extend whistleblower protections to legislative employees Thursday after previously halting the legislation in the house four years in a row.
Assembly Bill 403, with more than half of state lawmakers added as co-authors, cleared the Senate with a 38-0 vote. Earlier iterations of the legislation, introduced by Assemblywoman Melissa Melendez, R-Lake Elsinore, had quietly died in the Senate Appropriations Committee before sexual harassment allegations upended the Capitol late last year.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article197860194.html#storylink=cpy
I guess Dems’ claims that they wuz pro-der wimmuns finally needed some backup.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:17 pmIf you go to San Francisco
Make sure your tetanus and Hep b are caught up
When the lights go down in the city
Carry a flashlight so you don’t step in human filth
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:17 pmNk, executive privilege exists as a tacit reminder of loyalty. Sure, electing a really bad man like Obama, and Clinton, who were not forthcoming
Hell with trump, we know what’s on his mind 5 times a day
Even if we don’t want to
EPWJ (8df201) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:18 pmNixon never would have been forced to resign if you existed in your current state back in 1972, ’73, ’74,”
Geraldo Rivera speaking to Sean Hammity(sic)
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:19 pmThat why I went back to the way democrats operate in republican administrations, and how republicans have a fetish about gladia (short swords to their own people.)
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:20 pmThe thing was, in retrospect Nixon wasnt paranoid enough, he knew the activist liberals lathed, he had intended from the outset to turn over control back to the south Vietnamese got but it took nearly 20 years to get involved in Vietnam, so it would take a while to extricate effectively.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:23 pmI think you guys have difficulty distinguishing between the White House staffers, like Bannon, Podesta, Kellyanne, Susan Rice, Priebus, Valerie Jarrett, et al, and people in the various departments, is what I think.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:25 pmHe didnt think that someincwhobessntially share nuxons view on the new left, that would be mark felt, would turn on him for a curtailed career track, he also didnt thing the joincchiefscwould plant a spyring deep innthe govt
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:26 pmYeah, yeah, I know … Deep State.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:27 pmnk @110: Rosenstein is not Trump’s attorney. He is the second from the top attorney for the United States. Trump is only his supervisor to make sure that he performs his duty as the second from the top attorney for the United States properly. And that duty includes undivided loyalty to the United States and not to some orange-skinned temporary resident of the White House.
I assume the host included the redstate article link because he thought people would actually read it.
Rosenstein requests Trump to push back against Nunes. Trump tells him to take a hike, and asks if he’s “on my team”. Given that the memo purports to detail abuses related to FISA warrants against Trump’s campaign, I would’ve gone the further step of questioning Rosenstein’s sanity.
The article’s kicker:
And now we see Trump, while requesting Rosenstein’s loyalty, is absolutely the same Donald Trump who has no loyalty for anyone else.
Trump has suggested that he’ll sign off on releasing the memo – against the urgings of the FBI and his own Justice Department officials – sometime in the near future.
Just who is requesting loyalty to an organization, as opposed to founding principles –principles which should include an aversion to abuses of power against private citizens? Trump or Rosenstein? Trumpers or Never-Trumpers?
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:27 pmCan we spate a moment for this travismockasham
https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJopinion/status/959192611071328256?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:28 pmTo assume the dossier has any import, where as this document is to be dismissed out of hand
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/memo-reading-for-nonpartisans-1517530297
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:32 pmMr Beldar
It took a long time for shooting and rap to cross paths again:
EAST SIDE
Only two days before, the editor-in-chief of The Outlook characterized Roosevelt as “an electric battery of inexhaustible energy,” and for the next 90 minutes the 53-year-old former president proved it. “I give you my word, I do not care a rap about being shot; not a rap,” he claimed. Few could doubt him. Although his voice weakened and his breath shortened, Roosevelt glared at his nervous aides whenever they begged him to stop speaking or positioned themselves around the podium to catch him if he collapsed. Only with the speech completed did he agree to visit the hospital.
Some speeches on an Ipod would not have saved him.
History
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:32 pmTrump: Mr. Rosenstein, I want you to take this bag of cash over to the Chinese embassy and tell them it’s for granting Ivanka’s trademark protection.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:33 pmRosenstein: I can’t do that Mr. President and I further strongly advise that you do not do it or ask anyone else to do it.
Trump: Rosenstein, are you on my team or aren’t you?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong“
I myself cannot remember a single instance of this on this site but then I don’t read everything and glance over most of the “quantity over quality” regulars here.
“Actually, what I’ve been told by a couple of former respected friends here whose comments I’ve now blocked is that I should “be ashamed of myself” for criticizing Trump.”
If someone told you you should be ashamed for merely criticizing anyone (much less, Trump) I think ignoring them is reasonable.
If, however someone said you should be ashamed for (as examples) using the Wolff book or some nonsense tweeted by Nancy Pelosi to criticize Trump then I think that’s totally reasonable.
I don’t know the context to what was said so I’ll leave it at that.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:36 pmYes I thought the whole stormy Daniels carp as well as slimming halwy and even hope hicks, was pretty wretched,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:39 pmDoes Hillary have an alibi?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-castro-suicide/fidel-castros-eldest-son-fidelito-commits-suicide-idUSKBN1FM06J
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:40 pmAlex Griswold
@HashtagGriswold
Karma for who, the innocent truck driver who died, or his coworker in critical condition?
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 4:46 pm
What does Stephen King call Stephen King getting hit by a car?
This Is Karma
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:43 pmYes the lannusters of the Caribbean is one short, in the red rising series there is house August’s yes the roman analogies are intentional and they have one uday like character named the jackal who runs his own private army.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:44 pm@155: While you’re at it, why not pretend Trump asked Rosenstein to put Mueller in a body bag? Hypotheticals are fun that way.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:46 pmChavez, the wile coyote in a red beret boded his time for 10 years, supposedly fighting the red flag guerrillas but in reality he wee one of them.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:49 pmDoes anyone find it a bit odd that a garbage truck should curiously come to a stop on the railroad tracks just as a special Amtrak train carrying the GOP’s congressional contingent arrived?
Additionally, why would the 3 garbage men sit in the truck and wait for the inevitable impact? Wouldn’t you jump out and run like hell? I would.
This incident doesn’t pass the smell test.
ropelight (295eb8) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:15 pm
Breaking Bad Train Robbery feat Bill Burr
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:50 pmSometimes your own eyes trick you;
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/02/50-years-ago-today-execution-of-nguyen.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:55 pmMelendez, the R CA legislator from Harkins post, is from Youngstown OH… she “by injection”, or kin to some of the Ricans from there i met in my stint at tOSU in the mid 90s, the line from Sandusky down to Portsmouth being what I called the Mexican-Puerto Rican demarcation line.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:56 pmWhether classified information should be released is way above my pay grade. I’ll take the people’s who classify it word for it, and the President is the ultimate authority. As to whether he’s doing it for the protection of the nation and the interests of justice … that’s why elections matter.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:58 pmI should have watched that first. I started this clip at Bill Burr on the tracks
I Hope
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:58 pmIrs the fox with henhouse strategy:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:02 pmhttps://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/02/has-fearing-memo-given-way-to-pre.html
100 — Bas has it EXACTLY correct.
The host here and some of his in-kind followers have confused criticism of their criticisms as mindless advocacy for Trump, and that’s simply not correct.
I began to break with the host when I began criticizing the host by pointing out factual errors and flaws in his analysis — or unwarranted assumptions such as the one underlying this post, i.e., that Trump critics have a monopoly on understanding the principles upon which the country was founded, and those who have such an understanding obviously reject the current President based on his moral defects, even if they might applaud once in a while the things he does.
And I based my decision to vote for him based on my analysis of what 8 years of Clinton following on 8 years of Obama might have created in terms of an irreversible slide into a European-style liberal democracy. For all his faults — and he has many — I was confident that a Trump Presidency backstopped by a GOP Congress, and a GOP stocked cabinet, would in the end place the country on much more sound foundation built upon the PRINCIPLES of the constitutional democratic republic that it was founded to be.
It hasn’t always been pretty, and it won’t always be pretty because Trump didn’t rise up in politics paying attention to and understanding the “norms” of Presidential behavior. I knew that, so when he says things or does things that are non-traditional, or seems to break taboos of decorum and tradition I shrug. The next guy probably won’t do it, but for now its working.
shipwreckedcrew (756eb5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:08 pm#80, no, DRJ, I’m not addicted to conspiracy theories, but I’m also not blind to the astonishing occurrence of exceptionally convenient events which seem to happen whenever the political activities and financial shenanigans of ‘Deep State’ big shots are in danger of public exposure.
?Want to intimidate the GOP congress, slow down their zeal for draining the swamp?
Easy. Show them and their families they’re vulnerable. Remind them when you go after King Obama and Queen Hillary it’s going to be a fight to the death.
ropelight (295eb8) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:12 pmAdditionally, why would the 3 garbage men sit in the truck and wait for the inevitable impact? Wouldn’t you jump out and run like hell? I would.
This incident doesn’t pass the smell test.
ropelight (295eb8) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:15 pm
Every crossing is supposed to have a sign with a number to call and a a code for that crossing you can give to the RR so they can shut the trains down if need be.
I was driving down a pretty good grade with a crossing at the bottom when it was icy out. Almost out of nowhere the red flashing lights and bells went off. I hit the brakes but I just kept sliding down the hill. I had to hit the gas and run through the crossing. I managed to do it before the arms came down. Close call.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:15 pmYou could hold founding principles and own human beings which is a little bit worse than anything Trump has done.
Unless he has a non consensual adult entertainment basement.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:19 pmSo the Alexandria shooter was in contact with duckworth and Durbin, but there are indications of Amy produced communication requests
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:20 pmOt, tomorrows the premiere of altered carbon on Netflix, perhaps kinnaman would have made a good young solo.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:23 pmBut I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:23 pmTake a crack at this:
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:26 pmhttps://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/floridas-process-for-restoring-felon-voting-rights-ruled-unconstitutional-but-what-comes-next/
Let’s take a poll: how many people believe that the two-party system is or has become toxic?
Leviticus (924d70) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:34 pmSo what’s the difference between a demand for loyalty and a contract?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:38 pmThe Iron Law should NOT be interpreted to say that organizations are bad, or even that supporting an organization is bad. What it SAYS is that when you forget what the organization is supposed to be DOING, you’ve jumped the shark.
There are several ways one can try to have an effect on politics.
You can join a movement or a 3rd party and attempt to work the [institutional two-party] system from the outside. This CAN work — witness what the socialists and progressives accomplished in the first part of the 20th century. But it basically requires the movement to capture one of the two parties, or both (e.g. either Roosevelt and the progressives). This is rare. Absent that, you’re just on the sidelines throwing tomatoes, or worse. See Nader and Florida 2000.
Sometimes a major party disintegrates and a third party moves up. Last time this happened was 1856. Don’t hold your breath. The Whigs weren’t much of a party anyway; they were a bunch of Democrats who split off because they hated Jackson. The GOP was the first real 2nd Party in decades.
You can vote for individuals and contribute to same, irrespective of party. This can nudge the party some, but if you think those individuals are going to buck the party completely, you are going to be disappointed. A LOT of committed conservatives do this, then when “their” candidate signs on to the party platform in some regard there is a lot of disappointment. Mia Love and Martha McSally have alienated some of their supporters by supporting Speaker Ryan, even though anyone who understands things knew that they would.
You can pick a major party and work for it directly, all the while finding like-minded primary candidates to help. This is called “tribal” by some, but it is also Realpolitik. We have a two party system with fairly broad-based parties, and expecting them to be ideologically pure is, frankly, childish. They are composed of very diverse members with many points of view and they are never going to agree with anyone on everything. Often people disagree with both parties on a lot (talk to a tobacco user). But it still makes sense to pick one and tolerate the chowderheads, because that party is right a lot more often than the other one.
Take the Republicans [please -ed]. Even the Trump Republicans. If you believe in constitutional government, property rights, speech rights, religious rights, balanced budgets, etc, the GOP gets mostly Bs and Cs. Not great, but the Democrats come with Ds and Fs. If your deal is socialism and a Living Constitution, you’ll make a different choice. I’ve made my peace with the GOP, and grudgingly with Trump, and have utterly no difficulty supporting the party as it is. That does not mean I have to support every member, all the time. And I still will only give MONEY to a select few, as my little-people way of nudging things a bit.
I am not supporting the PARTY to support the party, I support it as a means to an end. This leaves me on the good side of the Iron Law, as I still remember why I’m doing this.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:39 pmYou called it, narciso. This time next year the term “Dreamer” will have gone down the memory hole like everything else the left does. The next increment to turning America democrat in perpetuity will be “These young people (the former dreamers but that word will never be used) are here legally and all they want is to unite their families who have been separated for so long. How can we keep these future Americans from reuniting with their loved ones? The heartless Republicans would have these poor people choose between their family an their new country and that’s not what America is all about. We must stand with the Uniters and against the bigoted, racist Republicans”.
And that my fellow suckers is how the left will sell the next ten million Mexican cum democrat voters to America.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:39 pmI have this marriage certificate on the wall that’s a demand for loyalty and a contract. Maybe I should have consulted with a lawyer before I signed it.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:42 pmLet’s take a poll: how many people believe that the two-party system is or has become toxic?
Yes, it’s toxic. You’re proposing a one-party state?
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:43 pmI have this marriage certificate on the wall that’s a demand for loyalty and a contract. Maybe I should have consulted with a lawyer before I signed it.
I’m sure Trump got prenups with Marla and Melania. Might not have with Ivana.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:45 pmBut civilian society is different. To tell someone: “if you don’t like what President Trump is doing, get out of the country” is as unAmerican as it gets.
Well, if they are here illegally….
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:45 pmGovernment officials are not loyal to Presidents, any more than military officers are loyal to generals. They may believe in them and want to help them and their agendas, but ultimately they serve the country and the Constitution.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:38 pm
Some of them are looking loyal to the last guy and the one who would be queen instead of The Constitution and their Chief Executive.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:46 pmAnd, no, Trump does not have the authority to treat his Cabinet like they were his wives, if that’s your point.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:48 pmThe two party system is a natural result of the first-past-the-post voting system. More than two parties creates suboptimal choices. Multi-representative districts with preference voting would allow a number of parties to compete and nuke the gerrymander at the same time, while providing stable results.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:49 pmWow, harkin, that man was right, sadly.
Patricia (3363ec) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:49 pmLike the assistant AG who thought she was right about the EO Trump signed. She wasn’t, was she? Her principles wouldn’t allow her to enforce it so she left or was run off.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:50 pmFalse choice.
AZ Bob (f60c80) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:51 pmI’m sure Trump got prenups with Marla and Melania. Might not have with Ivana.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:45 pm
In most respects I’m judgement proof, so there’s that.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:52 pmYeah, but it was in a Cobra Kai sort of way, so it wasn’t a big deal.
NJRob (5250f7) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:53 pmThere is no doubt in my mind I’d give Nikky Hayley the last piece of chicken.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:58 pm141 – Beldar is mischaracterizing my comment where I used the term “ashamed”. I’m not going to revisit it and point out his mischaracterization because he started blocking me rather than engage in the debate about what I said. It had nothing to do with “supporting” Trump now but rather accepting the proposition that even the risk of an almost horrific Clinton presidency was less distasteful to him than supplying a vote for Trump.
I don’t search the site very proficiently for old posts and I’m on a taxi’ing airplane right now anyway. But feel free to go look for yourself.
Shipwreckedcrew (3de832) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:59 pmTrump’s being accosted in his own dojo. Rosenstein is the sick man of the FBI.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 7:59 pm#177, the 2 party system isn’t itself toxic, however the Democrat party leadership is toxic and corrupt, and it contaminates representative politics, public discourse, and law enforcement.
The nation needs a healthy Democrat Party, one that can challenge the GOP, offer alternative policies, and participate in governance.
ropelight (295eb8) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:01 pmRosenstein is not Trump’s attorney. He is the second from the top attorney for the United States.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 5:41 pm
We don’t have the best lawyers, do we folks?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:03 pmAce sheds some clarity on the subject.
Really, might want to wait for context before writing about CNN stories.
TheBas (33b771) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:04 pmRosenstein is about to find out just how many people he stepped on climbing that ladder.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:06 pmswc:
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:09 pmWhy do we need contexts, specially coming from CNN which has been coming up smakeyes; hang him then conduct the trial, like the way they used to deal with witches
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:12 pmHere is the entire comment:
It’s not just a comment about Clinton, is it? Isn’t it also about supporting Trump in opposing the Democratic control of government, and shaming anyone who disagreed?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:15 pmRosenstein…
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.p13p4lwZ4k43hB8pm8BLigEsDh%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:17 pmIn Bruges portrays Ray Fiennes as a guy who is willing to kill himself based on a belief that he violated his own principle, but he was misled by Colin Farrell who wasn’t exactly that great of a guy.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:27 pmRobert Wagner is learning the hard way what a jurisdiction freed of immigration enforcement responsibility does with it’s time and resources.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:29 pmI know tet happened before I was born, but what Edie Adams did really did demoralize the home fromt, a pbotograph like that was dw Griffith said of movies ‘paimting with lightening’ the use the times made of it was rather worse. Some might argue Westmoreland intelligence officer softpedaled the Vietcong estimates but that’s for another day
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:30 pmSeriously 36 years,later, based on what evidence, was there signs of trauma like someone who might have been thrown overboard
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:36 pmswc @202 is far tamer than many of the nonsense comments I’ve witnessed against “Trumpalos”.
That people would be upset at the man who notes the praise for mass murder, rather than at the man who praises mass murder, is close enough to the definition of insanity to make rational people pause and shake their heads.
Patterico (266a25) — 12/26/2017 @ 11:30 am
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:44 pm@134. Why not try On The Beach? It’s also pure fantasy, also failed to win but it’s a much better story and doesn’t treat those who oppose appeasement as traitorous scoundrels.
=yawn= The honor is the nomination. 😉 Besides, Ava played more to type in SDIM, that’s why.
But why settle for fiction; go for the gold w/a winner; reality based ‘All The President’s Men’ Fits well these days.
“Patriotism! Loyality! They ARE the United States of America!” – James Mattoon Scott, JSC traitor [Burt Lancaster] ‘Seven Days In May’ 1964
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:44 pmWhat I always found most suspicious is that William Holden, Stephanie Powers’s boyfriend, had died “accidentally” from blunt trauma to his head, while alone, two weeks earlier.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:47 pmBeldar is mischaracterizing my comment where I used the term “ashamed”. I’m not going to revisit it and point out his mischaracterization because he started blocking me rather than engage in the debate about what I said.
Safespaces are a white flag, whether it’s the Left or anyone else.
random viking (6a54c2) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:47 pmActually the directors papers unearthed by max Holland shows,much of the book was,either fiction, context removed or dubious,sourcing.
Re alas babylon, it begins,with a navy overflight over Lebanon and it goes on from there.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:49 pmFrom a report, eyewitnesses from a neighboring boat. In a co winky dink, a local syndicated channel here in Chicago aired the Seinfeld where Wagner attends his son Mickey the Midgets wedding.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:49 pmI think you guys have difficulty distinguishing between the White House staffers, like Bannon, Podesta, Kellyanne, Susan Rice, Priebus, Valerie Jarrett, et al, and people in the various departments, is what I think.
nk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 6:25 pm
Trump thinks he’s a king. Mueller thinks he’s a bishop. Comey thinks he’s a white knight. Strzok, Page and Ohr et al don’t know they’re pawns.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:49 pmWhat kind of Wood gets dug up after 37 years?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:51 pm@145. The tapes nullify Geraldo’s speculations. Not to mention Capone’s vault.
@194. Always remember: fossils still tell a story.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:58 pmHellboy snakes himself with his own tail:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/help-stop-russian-campaign-interference-in-mexico-senators-ask-tillerson/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:03 pmAlso the beast from that 80s,series
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/02/01/ouch-ville-ron-perlman-swings-at-donald-trump-jr-about-values-nut-punches-himself-twice-instead/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:05 pmAs,usual you have missed the point, the dems are so eager to slash your guts out, the republicans,witb few exceptions thibk they can do anything to curry favor with their enemies Stockholm syndrome McCain and his nephew Jeff flake are exhibits,one and two.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:13 pmLawyers and loyalty, that would be Sergio Matensky.
mg (8648c9) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:18 pmMy link above isn’t working so here it is again. As for safe spaces, Beldar responded here and here and specifically here. There are more links but my comment will go in the filter if I have more than 4 links.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:28 pmPreferring the Ava Gardner in SDIM to her performance in On The Beach……
Seriously?
“Follow the money” – William Goldman
harkin (5772a2) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:30 pmDarn automistake, I was speculating eksewhere that since steele couldnt travel to russia, when they burn you cant go back, he must have relied on someone else perhaps this baumgartner, he pronably didnt have intel contacys over there so he had to use akhmetchins soutced.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:31 pmYes felt probably never said that either.
It was the invention of the reality based community of that time.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:33 pmAkhmetshim who knew some intelligence operatives and knew there was money in the deal, like,Alec guineas in our man in havana, ring up some of his horses,and that is the Schiff that was packed up and handed over to the bureau attached mr. Gaeta.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:38 pmAlien Abduction Insurance
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:41 pmDoes anyone have the clip of Ron Perlman jumping across the gap in Enemy at the Gates?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:47 pmMissed it by that much.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:47 pmThat’s clever. Well done.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:48 pmFolie à deux (/fɒˈli ə ˈduː/; French pronunciation: [fɔli a dø]; French for “madness of two”), or shared psychosis, is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief and sometimes hallucinations are transmitted from one individual to another. The same syndrome shared by more than two people may be called folie à trois, folie à quatre, folie en famille (“family madness”), or even folie à plusieurs (“madness of many”).
Recent psychiatric classifications refer to the syndrome as shared psychotic disorder (DSM-IV – 297.3) and induced delusional disorder (F24) in the ICD-10, although the research literature largely uses the original name. This disorder is not in the current DSM (DSM-5). The disorder was first conceptualized in 19th-century French psychiatry by Charles Lasègue and Jean-Pierre Falret and is also known as Lasègue-Falret syndrome.
Source
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:52 pmThanks. Who is the queen? Rosenstein or Graham? The queen may be sacrificed.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:53 pmMongo is just pawn in game of life.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:54 pmPelosi is a face stretched bimbo and will be the no trumpers cryptonyte. I love the fact liteweights like bill kristol need piglosi. What a moron that neocon is.
mg (8648c9) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:55 pmOne of the problems with altered carbon, the book was the notion is human consciousness can be transmitted electronically into another body, however the body has to be there perhaps hundreds of lightyears away.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:55 pmHes been hanging out with rick Wilson and egg Mcguffin, that cant be good.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:57 pmA 7 coil dump would be Adam pile of Schiff.
mg (8648c9) — 2/1/2018 @ 9:58 pmI suspect the Obama mafia will be holding up in some real nice Aman properties while the snitches schiff.
mg (8648c9) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:02 pmHaving written here recently of my disagreement with Andrew McCarthy — what I believe is a mistaken interpretation of the special counsel regulations as applied to the Mueller appointment — I gladly take this opportunity to commend him on a pair of very well-written and insightful columns today.
This one makes some very useful observations and predictions about “the memo” that we’re all waiting to read with baited breath: Positioning over the Nunes FISA Memo Continues Ahead of Its Release. And this one is an example of Mr. McCarthy trying very hard to distinguish between what’s criminal misconduct and what’s merely “an embarrassing display of poor character and ineptitude” on the part of Donald J. Trump and some of his top staff: The Gang That Couldn’t Lie Straight. Of the two, the second is of more lasting importance and profundity, and much more in keeping with his usual sharp legal and political analysis.
@ Pin (#214): Ditto what DRJ wrote (#229), that’s very clever. To similar effect, “Trump Tower” is of course a castle/rook, Hillary the Black Queen, Obama the Black King. I think you ought to immediately consult toy & game manufacturers (probably in China) and an IP lawyer to protect your commercial rights to develop and market the entire set.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:14 pmYes they were running interference for Hillary, for almost the entire month beforevybe election months, stonewalling the new York office, the subsequent judicial watch reveals how much dirt was still there, while they were prespinning the investigation and watching trump atvthe same time. Still looking for the pony.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:22 pmHang em High
mg (8648c9) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:25 pmI think strassell has the better summary, of events
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:28 pmThat was the link at 153.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:29 pm@222. Suppose it’s a matter of taste; Tramp vs. trollop thing. A well played dame from the bottom of the deck fit her like a glove in SDIM. ATPM: Robards owns Bradlee; Hanks, NSM.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:32 pmYes that is terrible casting I would had chose John Dedham or the Brit who played the mob boss in Batman begins
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:36 pm238. “Poor character, ineptitude, and stupidity” from the guy who defends Trump. Yikes.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:37 pmI dubbed Hillary red queen after the character in wonderland, for similar reason I dubbed Elizabeth Warren red squaw.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:46 pmBut let’s just ignore the last 4o years of history ted Kennedy and John tunnel included, along with Obama Biden Panetta and kerry.
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:48 pmYes, narciso, but red chess sets are rare. Maybe this could be one of those four-dimensional chessboards like Trump always uses, and Pin can get the Chinese manufacturers to load the pieces with programmable LEDs that can change colors. As far as Sen. Warren goes, no one can improve on Fauxcahontas as far as I’m concerned. Her relevance seems to be fading even within the Dem Party now, though.
Speaking of Comey, I read today that he tweeted:
My immediate reaction was that I’d contribute $100 very gladly to rename the Small Rodents House at the Smithsonian National Zoo after Jim “the Weasel” Comey.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:54 pmThe Chinese have been playing chess, while we’ve been playing checker for over 40 years
https://pjmedia.com/trending/morning-briefing-rosenstein-wanted-trump-help-fight-congressional-oversight-much-much/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/1/2018 @ 11:01 pmWASHINGTON — Although Joseph McCarthy was one of the most demonized American politicians of the last century, new information — including half-century-old FBI recordings of Soviet embassy conversations — are showing that McCarthy was right in nearly all his accusations.
“With Joe McCarthy it was the losers who’ve written the history which condemns him…
Using new information obtained from studies of old Soviet files in Moscow and now the famous Vanona Intercepts — FBI recordings of Soviet embassy communications between 1944-48 — the record is showing that McCarthy was essentially right. He had many weaknesses, but almost every case he charged has now been proven correct. Whether it was stealing atomic secrets or influencing U.S. foreign policy, communist victories in the 1940s were fed by an incredibly vast spy and influence network.
Of the lists, a key one consisted of 108 names from a House Appropriations Committee report, of persons declared as “security risks” in the State Department — the Lee List. The House committee chairman had complained that State wasn’t bothering to do anything about the suspects. Details of the list and its accusations were presented at the conference.
Speakers detailed many of the cover-ups used to smear McCarthy. Veteran journalist and teacher Stan Evans, director of National Journalism Center, told of the Tydings Committee, which had investigated McCarthy’s charges of communists in government. Its report had exonerated everybody. Among the accused it stated categorically that there was no evidence against Owen Lattimore, a man McCarthy said was a major figure in the communist conspiracy. Lattimore had been Roosevelt’s key advisor on China policy. Yet Evans showed evidence from 5,000 pages of FBI files on him — files released only a few years ago to the public, although the White House had access to them.
However, evidence before the committee showed that Lattimore had supported Soviet policy at every turn, even declaring that the Stalin purge trials in Russia, “sound like democracy to me.” With then-Vice President Henry Wallace in Russia, Lattimore compared concentration camps to the Tennessee Valley Authority, and later urged Washington to abandon China to communism and to withdraw from Japan and Korea. FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, who had fed information to McCarthy, broke with him afterwards, fearing McCarthy would prejudice FBI sources of information for its criminal prosecutions.
Rense
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 12:02 amCan anyone, from Random Access Memory, think of anything particularly conservative from W’s administration?
Whattabout Alito?
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 12:04 amhere’s an interesting fact to get your head around
the last 4 words in particular
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/2/2018 @ 12:35 amnk (dbc370) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:47 pm
Have you seen this movie Dust (2001)? The scenery is great but I’m going to watch it later.
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 12:48 amFrom a report, eyewitnesses from a neighboring boat. In a co winky dink, a local syndicated channel here in Chicago aired the Seinfeld where Wagner attends his son Mickey the Midgets wedding.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/1/2018 @ 8:49 pm
Wow, earlier I thought that was an In Bruges correction but now I get it lol. Too many midgets in one thread.
Don’t know if I ever said this but I took a delivery into the old Nashville Convention Center during a Little People get together. It was amazing. LP’s wall to wall. My kids flew back to Denver on the same flight as the Little People Big World stars.
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 12:57 am@ Pin (#214): Ditto what DRJ wrote (#229), that’s very clever. To similar effect, “Trump Tower” is of course a castle/rook, Hillary the Black Queen, Obama the Black King. I think you ought to immediately consult toy & game manufacturers (probably in China) and an IP lawyer to protect your commercial rights to develop and market the entire set.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:14 pm
You know, I love bouncing ideas around. I’m usually the one tagging the bits, if you will. So I’m glad you were able to help me out. I guess the Black Castle would be the new obelisk in Chicago?
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 1:11 am@ Pin (#214): Ditto what DRJ wrote (#229), that’s very clever. To similar effect, “Trump Tower” is of course a castle/rook, Hillary the Black Queen, Obama the Black King. I think you ought to immediately consult toy & game manufacturers (probably in China) and an IP lawyer to protect your commercial rights to develop and market the entire set.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/1/2018 @ 10:14 pm
You know, I love bouncing ideas around. I’m usually the one tagging the bits, if you will. So I’m glad you were able to help me out. I guess the Black Castle would be the new obelisk in Chicago?
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 1:11 amMembers of the Mustelidae Family are cute and playful and they kill rats and snakes.
Pinandpuller (25013a) — 2/2/2018 @ 1:17 ampatterico post about melania’s sotu outfit cited here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/2/2018 @ 4:00 am“Loyalty to America’s Founding Principles vs. Loyalty to a President or a Party”
Your formulation leaves out one very important thing: Loyalty to the Country.
There are many situations where one should be called upon to be loyal to the country even if you disagree with its policies. If the country is at war, for example, even if you think the war is a bad idea, you don’t go abroad and bad mouth the country and try to undermine its position.
That, of course, does not mean that one must support the President or party who controls Congress. In a democratic republic, everyone is entitled to disagree. But it does mean one should respect the will of the majority and not work against the country as a whole.
Bored Lawyer (fe5e63) — 2/2/2018 @ 4:55 am“As Congress debated the Pendleton Act in 1883, the first of many laws over the next century that added layers of job protection for government employees, they thought they were correcting the excesses of the spoils system. They could never have dreamed of the kind of system we have today, where federal employees get two civil trial-level appeals before a Merit Board (including discovery and the calling of witnesses), and where it takes years to fire a bureaucrat convicted of a felony he committed in the course of doing his job.
But incompetence and corruption are the least of the problems with the modern civil service. With 95-99 percent of political donations from government employees going to Hillary Clinton in the last election, it looks less like a system of apolitical administrators and more like an arm of the Democratic Party.”
http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/31/trumps-biggest-point-last-night-need-upend-deep-state/#.WnIIllMNlew.twitter
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 5:47 amdiscovery and the calling of witnesses
Horrifying!
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 5:57 amMany comrades do not understand that human nature is a part of that natural laws and that people normally do things which they believe promote their best self-interest. It, therefore, follows that comrades in the civil service will support the political party which believes in big government and will preserve their jobs and not the party which gets itself elected on the (more or less empty) promises that it will shrink government and eliminate their jobs.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:05 am
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:07 amthat*the* natural laws“The two party system is a natural result of the first-past-the-post voting system. More than two parties creates suboptimal choices. Multi-representative districts with preference voting would allow a number of parties to compete and nuke the gerrymander at the same time, while providing stable results.”
– Kevin M
This guy gets it.
I would propose a constitutional amendment to eliminate districts altogether, but the principle is the same: eliminate the party monopolies and the ability to gerrymander.
Leviticus (924d70) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:11 am1,300 Representatives? No!
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:13 amCalifornia and Louisiana have eliminated the two-party system, except for Presidential elections, with “non-partisan primaries”. How is that working out?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:16 am266… They eliminated the two party system by making the democrats the only party. That’s exactly what they’re trying to do to the rest of the country with immigration but to say that is raaacist.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:29 amHoagie says….. “So Wray wanted to redact the names of DOJ and FBI personnel who broke the law during the past 20 months. Fvck him and the Rosenstein he rode in on.”
Wray? Republican James Comey’s successor? The guy Trump just appointed in August (also a Republican)… is the problem? Man, you guys will swallow anything. Your friends, the Russians, would call you an useful idiot.
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:40 amYou buy your Koolaid at Costco.
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:44 amHoagie, who is more likely to be anti-tax, anti-abortion, anti-gun control and pro-family values? A Mexican or a Swede?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:48 amWant to know secret? I tell you. Republicans want Mexicans more than Democrats do. But they want them illegal and in the shadows so they work cheap and not join union and not ask for unemployment and workers compensation. Is what is all about. Cheap potato.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:52 am“”discovery and the calling of witnesses”
Horrifying!”
You left out “convicted of a felony in the course of doing his job”
If you think it should take years to remove a govt employee already convicted for committing a felony on the job, you are part of the problem.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 6:58 amThe Republican leaders of the FBI and Dept. of Justice are out to get him. Lets add that whopper to the other ones. Obama wasn’t born here. He won the popular vote. Ted Cruz’s dad was in on the Kennedy assassination. Obama bugged my offices.
Yea. He makes accusations and then claims to have the evidence to support that theory. But, he doesn’t. In the end, this evidence does not exist. Wait…. did he just disband the Voter Fraud Commission? What??
But you keep on believing. Its what you do.
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:02 amThat happen a lot?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:03 amYou Lie! Joe Walsh says Nunes has always been a partisan hack.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:06 amCheap potato.
That’s no secret. Nor is the phoney compassion for the unborn, until the military has them sworn
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:09 amHoagie said no such thing, noel. As usual the leftist was so in a hurry to accuse you got the wrong person. That’s leftist justice for you. Now go find who really made that statement and I’ll wait for your apology.
Probably the Mexican, why?
So now you speak for all Republicans and you know what we all want? Wow! So all those rich Hollywood leftists who exploit Mexicans as housemaids, nanny’s, groundskeepers, gardeners, cooks, landscapers, babysitters, wet nurses, midwives, personal shoppers, drivers, body guards and general all around gofer’s are Republicans? Who knew? Votes, nk, votes is why they want all these poor people from third world countries, nothing else. Power. A future run by democrat eletes as far as the eye can see. If you don’t see that you are willfully blind. There is no other reason to bring poor, uneducated, orften sickly and frequently illiterate people here. Thay add nothing of value to America and suck the money out of our people that would be used for our families. American as dreamers too! MAGA
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:12 amEnough with the Trump dramatics. Just release the Memo you greasy pig!
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:12 amIt Besides, Ryan’s record as a civil liberties champion has been heretofore well-camouflaged. Not two weeks ago, Ryan arranged for an extension of the NSA’s warrantless surveillance program for another six years, and he also arranged that proposed safeguards aimed at protecting the privacy rights of American citizens failed to pass. Paul Ryan is a less of a civil libertarian than he is an economist, and that boggles the mind. Ryan also maintained that #ReleaseTheMemo was not designed as an attack on Mueller and his investigation—which is a problem because the president* already said it was.
Sit, Paul. Good boy.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a15985400/paul-ryan-release-the-memo-nunes/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:16 amHypocrisy over domestic surveillance is the Rumpublican cherry on the fascist sundae.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:17 am
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:20 amDoes it assuage your guilt being a pro baby killer to call into question the compassion of those who aren’t? Because you absolutely sound like a dick when you do that. As with all radical leftists it’s as easy to disparage a persons morality and motives as it is to kill a baby. Just statistics, right comrade?
I’d rather look like a wanker, than BE a wanker.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:22 amI wrote Hoagie when I meant Haiku. Deeply sorry for misleading anyone. Now…… Donald’s turn.
Should Trump apologize for all the dishonest conspiracy theories? Or is just noel that has to take responsibility?
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:22 amA giant, pus-dripping but proud wanker, hoagie.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:24 amI hope you saw my comment about my dog.
https://petsforpatriots.org/about-military-working-dog-adoptions/
Pups. Hardly.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:32 am“There is no other reason to bring poor, uneducated, orften sickly and frequently illiterate people here. Thay add nothing of value to America and suck the money out of our people that would be used for our families.”
“They add nothing of value.” Did you say that, Rev.Hoagie?
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:34 amCaught with your mind wide shut again, huh comrade?
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:36 amThank you for the correction, noel. Neither you nor I have any way to make Trump take responsibility for anything until election time. But I would remind you this whole thing began with a conspiracy theory put forth by Hillary which was Russia, Russia, Russia. So you and I have to wait and see how things shake out. We live in interesting times.
Joe Walsh, I’ll admit, is better than a broken clock, so I’ll say he’s a calendar with only one months page not torn out and that month’s name faded or blank.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:36 amIn case it was unclear, that was directed at Ben Burns who seems to think we turn in our dogs for execution when they start to age.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:41 amthere was clearly a lie in the robertscare bill, if you look up hack, you find the basilisk:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269198/who-really-created-trump-dossier-daniel-greenfield
they laundered rumors against Christine, slander against the Mississippi candidate, soft pedaled some of the gunk against the huntress,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:41 amYou’re confused Steve.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:42 amthe fake marine assumes everyone else is a fraud:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/blumenthal-there-is-a-credible-obstruction-case-against-nunes/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:43 amNoel said… “I wrote Hoagie when I meant Haiku”.
You know that if you had familiar “American” names, it would help. Ralph and Pedro or something like that.
noel (b4d580) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:46 amit’s a bit of a gamble, but what isn’t nowadays,
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/dont-ignore-kushners-quiet-mideast-gains-24256
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:46 amthis is actually a reasonable compromise,
https://twitter.com/MichaelJMorell/status/959374897322627072
so when alan patricof, got close to some of the chapman ring, the fbi was all over that, right?
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:50 amthis is what I was referring to:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/07/24/rewind-fbi-shuts-down-russian-spy-ring-for-getting-too-cozy-with-hillary-clinton/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:51 amle boi toi, is actually sharper than Cameron or may
http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2018/02/01/a-tunis-emmanuel-macron-critique-l-intervention-militaire-de-l-otan-en-libye-de-2011_5250601_3212.html
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:55 amyou really want me to avoid red sparrow, this is why I skipped the last installment of hunger games:
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/959240730697859072
will there be some Weinstein material
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 7:58 amHey Trump, release the memo, you dope. 2 effing weeks as the cover up continues. Republicans suck. They are part of the chickens!t club. Hang em high.
mg (f78731) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:01 amWhen Benjamin Wittes and I reached out to the offices of every committee Republican (except Nunes) and asked whether the representatives had faith in the factual conclusions of the memo, only three members of the committee answered in the affirmative (six did not respond to our repeated requests to contact them, and three responded but conspicuously did not answer our question as to the memo’s integrity). But all thirteen Republicans voted for the document’s release. Likewise, of the majority, only Nunes, Conaway and King speak up over the course of the meeting—and Conaway’s points are mostly procedural, not a substantive defense of the memo. Also notable is that Rep. Chris Stewart told us last week that he would support the Nunes memo’s release if sensitive information were redacted, and yet voted for the unredacted memo’s publication. During the meeting, Conaway similarly voiced concerns over publication of classified information—albeit regarding the minority memo—but voted in favor of the unredacted Nunes memo’s release as well.
https://lawfareblog.com/it-was-worse-you-think-house-intelligence-meeting-nunes-memo
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:05 amMichelle Obama knows the score. “All we have is hope.”
Or maybe that should read, “All Mueller has left is Hope.”
They don’t have a prayer.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:06 ampatience mg, Donald Sutherland it turns out had his debut in billion dollar brain, a small part, he subsequently joined jane fonda and the later peter boyle, flacking for the Vietcong and the panthers in roughly that order,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:07 amI hope so. It beats the alternative.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:07 amBeing right.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:08 amsimilar situation, two years before an election, well the incumbent vowed ‘more flexibility’ after sacrificing Poland and Israel, to Russia and Iran’s Syrian proxy,
wittes, lost me when he didn’t understand the long history of military tribunals, thought they couldn’t effectively try enemy combatants, well if you strip the panels of anybody with any military experience, then yes,
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:12 amPatience. Your correct narciso. It’s just frustrating when you want results, because everything has been advertised it the facts.
mg (f78731) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:13 amso was he merely a useful idiot then:
http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/312429/
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:22 amWhat’s more American than Hoagie? We invented the Sub.
If he had called himself Rev. Piroshki, you might have a case.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:24 amThe hypocrisy drips like a gonorrhea victim…
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/02/media-s-longtime-crusade-for-transparency-ends-with-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:36 amso was he merely a useful idiot then:
http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/312429/
narciso
Leon wasn’t just conspiring with the Russians. He was cavorting and canoodling.
Bet he even sashayed
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:39 amLouisiana uses a two-round nonpartisan election system where everyone runs in the general election, and there is a run-off if no candidate gets a majority. It has produced a number of Republican Governors and Senators. In fact, Louisiana has two Republican Senators now.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:43 amHowdy Gowdy!
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/02/01/the-trey-gowdy-retirement/
Now, we don’t know fully why he decided not to run. He did cite yesterday that he’s sick of politics. But what’s interesting is, yesterday morning, he was still fundraising. So, as of yesterday morning, he was still planning on running. There’s also reports that Don McGahn, who is the White House counsel, who has been in this sort of obstructive role for Trump, as well, was discussing with Gowdy a position on the Fourth Circuit as a circuit court judge, which is something Gowdy has been interested in the past, and Gowdy turned that down. So, Gowdy, even though he is this fire-breathing partisan hack—you know, you go back to the Benghazi case—he seems to have seen something in the underlying investigation that troubles him, that his Republican partisan colleagues are not paying attention to. And so, Gowdy may surprise us, going forward. But I do think that that is an interesting development yesterday, that the one guy on the House Intelligence Committee who’s actually seen the underlying intelligence has decided to get out of the Republican partisan hackery rat race.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:43 amPlus the Louisiana State Senate and House are held by the GOP, too. So the systems used in California and Louisiana may (or may not) encourage single party rule but that doesn’t mean Democratic Party rule, Hoagie.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:48 am313, if Texas did “jungle” primaries of the type used in CA and LA, would the R office holder cadre remain as conservative as it is now, or would it be diluted by Dems abandoning their party and going more for Joe Strauss / Dewhurdt types.
urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:48 amWhy MLK was in Memphis that fateful day.
The union, which had been granted a charter by AFSCME in 1964, had attempted a strike in 1966, but it failed, in large part because workers were unable to arouse the support of Memphis’s religious community or middle class. Conditions for black sanitation workers worsened when Henry Loeb became mayor in January 1968. Loeb refused to take dilapidated trucks out of service or pay overtime when men were forced to work late-night shifts. Sanitation workers earned wages so low that many were on welfare and hundreds relied on food stamps to feed their families.
On 11 February over 700 men attended a union meeting and unanimously decided to strike. Within a week, the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) passed a resolution supporting the strike. The strike might have ended on 22 February, when the City Council, pressured by a sit-in of sanitation workers and their supporters, voted to recognize the union and recommended a wage increase. Mayor Loeb rejected the Council’s vote, however, insisting that only he had the authority to recognize the union and refused to do so.
The following day, after police used mace and tear gas against nonviolent demonstrators marching to City Hall, Memphis’s black community was galvanized. Meeting in a church basement on 24 February, 150 local ministers formed Community on the Move for Equality (COME), under the leadership of King’s longtime ally, local minister James Lawson. COME committed to the use nonviolent civil disobedience to fill Memphis’s jails and bring attention to the plight of the sanitation workers. By the beginning of March, local high school and college students, nearly a quarter of them white, were participating alongside garbage workers in daily marches; and over one hundred people, including several ministers, had been arrested.
http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_memphis_sanitation_workers_strike_1968/
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:48 am#Release the damn memo already! I wanna see heads roll, I wanna see wet sticky pools of blood on the ground, I wanna see treasonous rats scurry for the shadows.
Send the cops to make sure the cabal’s top dogs can’t escape justice by destroying evidence and running away to non-extradition countries.
The memo has been declassified. It won’t be long now. Here it comes. Buckle up.
ropelight (4ae36e) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:50 amA note from a Trump supporter to his son’s teacher:
“Sir: Will you please for the future give my boy some eesier somes to do at nites. This is what he brought home to me three nites ago. If fore gallins of bere will fill thirty to pint bottles, how many pint and half bottles will nine gallins fill? Well, we tried and could make nothing of it all, and my boy cried and said he wouldn’t go back to school without doing it. So, I had to go and buy a nine gallin’ keg of bere, which I could ill afford to do, and then we went and borrowed a lot of wine and brandy bottles, beside a few we had by us. Well we emptied the keg into the bottles, and there was nineteen, and my boy put that down for an answer. I don’t know whether it is rite or not, as we spilt some in doing it.
P.S.—Please let the next one be water as I am not able to buy any more bere.”
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 8:55 amSanitation workers earned wages so low that many were on welfare and hundreds relied on food stamps to feed their families.
Is that even possible? Sounds unlikely.
papertiger (c8116c) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:02 amThey must have spilled a lot because the correct answer is 48, BTW.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:03 amholy mother of all that’s cringeworthy and cheesy
you’ve heard our prayer
thank you for this beneficent gift
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:09 amA future run by democrat eletes as far as the eye can see. If you don’t see that you are willfully blind. There is no other reason to bring poor, uneducated, orften sickly and frequently illiterate people here. Thay add nothing of value to America and suck the money out of our people that would be used for our families. American as dreamers too
You claim you’re not an ignorant bigot. Then you post things like the above which prove you are one. You’re the mirror image of Tovarich Ben… except he sometimes provides useful links. (Sometimes: about once a year.)
Kishnevi (e81fd7) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:12 amBREAKING:
“According to sources, the memo includes testimony from a high-ranking government official that without the infamous Trump dossier, the FBI and DOJ would not have secured surveillance warrants to spy on at least one member of the Trump team.
It also claims the FBI and DOJ used media reporting to lend credibility to the dossier, while the firm behind the dossier, Fusion GPS, briefed major American news outlets to include New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, New Yorker, Yahoo and Mother Jones.
The memo shoes that after former British spy Christopher Steele was cut off from the FBI, he continued to pass information, as did Fusion GPS, through Justice Department Official Bruce Ohr. Ohr’s wife Nellie began working for Fusion GPS as early as May 2016.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/02/house-memo-states-disputed-dossier-was-key-to-fbi-s-fisa-warrant-to-surveil-members-team-trump.html
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:15 amCalifornia and Louisiana have eliminated the two-party system,
Um, bollocks.
I repeat: so long as you have a first-past-the-post election system, you will have a two-party system. You CAN have a one-party system if there is no effective 2nd party, but that will only be temporary; the niche for that 2nd party remains. There is a LOT of room right now for a center-right party in CA that melds fiscal conservatism with Californian social attitudes, particularly if it takes a Federalist position regarding the state’s right to do things differently. But it wouldn’t be a 3rd party so much as a replacement 2nd party — the CA GOP is dead.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:15 am> There is a LOT of room right now for a center-right party in CA that melds fiscal conservatism with Californian social attitudes,
While I agree with that, I also think that the California Republican Party *cannot* be that party because, in much of the state, the party’s association is with social attitudes that the overwhelming majority find intolerable. The *brand* has been destroyed, and none of the people leading the party seem to know how to fix it.
Right now, what’s happening is the state Democratic party is slowly fissioning into two camps within the party (this has long since happened in San Francisco, where there’s a ‘progressive’ wing and a ‘moderate’ wing who hate each other and fight about almost everything). But it’s hard to see an actual formal split because of the national two-party context.
aphrael (3f0569) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:20 amI would propose a constitutional amendment to eliminate districts altogether
A reasonable system, for the CA state house:
Twenty districts. Elect 2 senators and four assemblyfolks from each. Each citizen gets one vote for each house. This in itself would allow minority positions or communities to have a representative. In some districts all elected might come from a single party (e.g. south Orange County, or San Francisco) but even then you might have a variation. In SF you might elect a Green.
A better system:
No districts. There is one slate for the Senate and one slate for the Assembly. The top however-many will be elected from each. Each citizen again gets one vote and they pick the candidate who most closely represents THEM. This may be ideological, ethnic or geographic. Their call. They may form ad hoc parties to focus their votes, or not. But this way most every citizen has a representative, rather than being “represented” by someone whose values they despise.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:26 amThe *brand* has been destroyed, and none of the people leading the party seem to know how to fix it.
aphrael–
I thought I said that. I do not think that the Democrat Party can fission far enough to form 2 real parties. There is not a lot of support for property rights or economic freedom within the Democrat Party. They still vote for more and more taxes in lockstep. Their only dispute over public employee pensions is who do they rob to pay them.
No, it would have to be created anew, perhaps out of the wreck of the GOP. BTW, did you know that it is fairly easy to set up a new party in CA, and ballot access for any party candidate is awesomely easier than for any independent.
Kevin M (752a26) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:33 amNk – I dunno about aversion to taxes and abortion or appreciation of gun rights, but they might be thumbing their nose rather early in their residency at taking public transit:
http://www.urbanophile.com/2018/02/02/rising-vehicle-access-sends-las-transit-ridership-falling/
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:43 amByron York
@ByronYork
More House Intel memo key point: The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.
Sure sounds like stacking government with members of one party is no big deal.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:45 ami guess so:
https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed
narciso (d1f714) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:48 amurbanleftbehind, now what is more American than that?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:55 amYes, Kishnevi yes, yes, yes. You’ve called me ignorant and a bigot a dozen times and still you offer no argument as to why bringing in poor, uneducated, often sickly and frequently illiterate people here. Once again, they add nothing of value to America and consume resources that would be better used by our own people and families.
So I’ll remain an ignorant bigot until you explain to me what these immigrants bring to America that is so vital, so important and so valuable that we as a nation should destroy our Western heritage, compromise our economy and forever alter our culture.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:56 amI think maybe The White House screwed up, no way they wanted this part of the memo released:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BiasedGirl/status/959305560515526656/photo/1
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:57 amTrue, although I wonder if the author (not a lib due to his City Journal/Manhattan Institute gig and Kaus-ian concern for the working class) overlooked the impact of the licenses for illegal immigrants, the increase in sub-prime auto loans and uber/lyft/raitero fleet growth as factors.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/2/2018 @ 9:59 amThanks for that link, narciso.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:00 amAnd touché, harkin.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:01 amWell, Harkin, what do you expect from a musical Ginger? I hope he’s one those hidden Brexiters by now.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:02 am336 – he’s not alone, most of Europe wants to exit but fail to realize it’s probably too late.
harkin (5772a2) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:04 am@332. Meh. We’ve seen this movie before. When the bad guys try to escape the good guys and dash down a blind alley, they always tip over a few garbage cans before they surrender to fate or do the big shoot out.
“Is this the end of Rico?” – Caesar Enrico Bandello [Edward G. Robinson] ‘Little Caesar’ 1931
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:09 amBTW, Kishnevi you should be aware (if not already) that I work along side my wife at the Asian American center in Philly. There we help people from Korea, China, Japan and Vietnam get their green cards and prepare for their citizenship. The legal way.
These folks are educated, usually professionals like doctors, dentists, IT guys, engineers, businessmen and researchers. They are healthy and at least speak English as a second language. They have money and pay their own way asking not one cent of taxpayer money. Even the center itself is funded privately. All these folks ask is a chance to be American. Not hyphenated, just American. So I’m not against immigration per se just immigration that does not help America but is designed only to help the democrat party. So you may say I’m a bigot but I am very familiar with immigration and am hardly ignorant. Unless one is deemed ignorant merely by disagreeing with you.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:10 am“I repeat: so long as you have a first-past-the-post election system, you will have a two-party system.”
– Kevin M
Agreed. It’s the closest thing to a law that exists in political science.
Leviticus (cc80c3) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:38 am“better system:
No districts. There is one slate for the Senate and one slate for the Assembly. The top however-many will be elected from each. Each citizen again gets one vote and they pick the candidate who most closely represents THEM. This may be ideological, ethnic or geographic. Their call. They may form ad hoc parties to focus their votes, or not. But this way most every citizen has a representative, rather than being “represented” by someone whose values they despise.”
– Kevin M
Bingo. Absolutely. I’ve been arguing for something like this for eight years.
Leviticus (cc80c3) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:46 amohnoes
cowardpig war hero john mccain has a sad that his corrupt slut-friend Jim Comey is disgraced today
🙁
that sucks on a Friday when you just know you’re gonna stew about it all weekend
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/2/2018 @ 10:56 amhttps://patterico.com/2018/01/02/did-comey-really-testify-that-the-entire-steele-dossier-was-unverified/
BuDuh (2b34f1) — 2/2/2018 @ 11:21 amGood link, BuDuh. It seems Nunes is exaggerating.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/2/2018 @ 11:26 amwhere’s Nunes exaggerating?
remember this memo was reviewed before it was released by lickspittle FBI trash and they didn’t point out any exaggerate
happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/2/2018 @ 11:36 am345.where’s Nunes exaggerating?
Recusal, for starts, Mr. Feet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/2/2018 @ 11:37 amRev.Hoagie on poor, uneducated immigrants…. “they add nothing of value to America and consume resources”.
Did your ancestors come here with doctorate degrees and lots of money? Do the Asians that you say you help immigrate to the US all come from educated and wealthy homes? Or are you just criticizing the Mexican poor?
What was that saying again… It’s better to let people think you’re a bigot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
noel (b4d580) — 2/3/2018 @ 7:27 am