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12/18/2017

Roy Moore Won’t Take No For An Answer, But He Will Take Your Money

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:14 am



[Guest post by Dana]

Nearly one week after the special election in Alabama was called for Doug Jones, Republican candidate Roy Moore is still refusing to concede the race.

In fact, not only is he refusing to concede, he is now also asking supporters to send him money so that he can investigate voter fraud:

Alabama Republican Roy Moore on Friday told supporters that the “battle is not over” in Alabama’s Senate race even though President Donald Trump and others have called on him to concede.

Moore sent a fundraising email to supporters asking for contributions to his “election integrity fund’ so he could investigate reports of voter fraud.

“I also wanted to let you know that this battle is NOT OVER!” he wrote.

As a reminder, Jones garnered 49.9 percent of the vote compared to Moore’s 48.4 percent, and while Moore apparently believes he can accrue 20,000 more votes, inflatable movie screen including military and provisional votes, Alabama secretary of state John Merrill, himself an ardent Moore supporter, remains doubtful:

While the vote isn’t yet certified — that won’t come for several weeks — and the totals could move a few votes here or there even John Merrill, the Alabama Secretary of State who acknowledged he voted for Moore, has told CNN that it is “highly unlikely” that Moore could come close to winning the race. (Each of Alabama’s 67 counties are required to report the results to the Alabama secretary of state’s office by Dec. 22. Then, the state’s Canvassing Board has until Jan. 3 to formally certify the results.

Here are the odds of that happening:

What Moore is banking on is that there are 20,716 votes for him and 0 for Jones in the military and provisional ballots. That would give Moore a one-vote victory.

Moreover, the cost for any possible recount would be exorbitant:

If the difference between Jones and Moore is less than half a percentage point, the state would pay for the recount, but if it’s greater, Moore’s campaign would have to request and pay for it.

The check would be a big one.

“We estimate that it might be somewhere between 1 million and 1.5 million dollars but that could change,” says Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill.

Moore’s latest actions remind me of Jill Stein, who asked her supporters to fund a recount in the 2016 election. However, unlike Moore, Stein never discussed accepting the election results as God’s will being done — no matter the outcome:

It’s God’s will whatever happens, so we’re expecting God to do whatever he does will be the right thing to do.

Certainly one of the most difficult aspects of the Christian faith is submitting oneself to the will of God and trusting Him, especially when it goes against what we want. So it’s pretty rich that Roy Moore, who presented himself as some sort of model Christian and paragon of virtue, and whose supporters defended him as such, still refuses to yield to the “will of God,” which has been loudly and clearly made known to him and to the voters of Alabama.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

— Dana

98 Responses to “Roy Moore Won’t Take No For An Answer, But He Will Take Your Money”

  1. Reminder that Alabama is a voter ID state.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  2. Being libeled abiur 24/7 is that part of the bargain, in light of what we know about Gloria Alfred spawn fishing expedition.

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. To God, he’s a cat’s paw. To women, a heel.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  4. calling Uranus One…calling Uranus One..cease Pizzagate and Seth Rich and redouble STOP MUELLER! confabulations..

    Distort! Distort!

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  5. So it’s pretty rich that Roy Moore, who presented himself as some sort of model Christian and paragon of virtue, and whose supporters defended him as such, still refuses to yield to the “will of God,” which has been loudly and clearly made known to him and to the voters of Alabama.

    That God willed Moore to lose the election is trivially true. God wills a lot of things that cause suffering for those who are trying to do His will, as we can see in the story of every Christian martyr ever.

    Not that I think Roy Moore is any sort of martyr–but only God knows why He willed the outcome that he did–just saying that you might as well argue that Roy Moore should now support abortion, since God willed that his abortion-supporting opponent won the election.

    Everyone who believes in God has to do what they believe God wants, despite that God will allow obstacles in their way and that God will allow them to fail. Roy Moore seems to understand Christianity to that extent.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  6. God sets the World in motion to see what will happen.

    Otherwise those kids shot in church are his Will as well. Or don’t you see the conundrum?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  7. @Admiral Ben Burn:Otherwise those kids shot in church are his Will as well. Or don’t you see the conundrum?

    Yeah, me and about 10,000 million other people see and have seen that conundrum. Yes, the kids shot in church are God’s will, the Holocaust was God’s will, Trump was God’s will, every abortion is God’s will–to the extent that God can prevent these things and chooses not to, at any rate.

    Since you seem to be about 2500 years behind on the conversation, you can start catching up here.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  8. Theological fallacies are merely human justifications for God’s apathy. You have no logical treatise for Determinism. You Theocrats can only accept free will just like traditional scientists are stuck on Quantum when String Theory answers their dumb-ass conservatism with its static reality.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  9. @Ben burn:You Theocrats

    I am in fact an atheist. It seems you are incapable of comprehending another person’s thought process. I do not believe what Roy Moore does, but I can try to understand why he thinks and acts as he does without agreeing with him.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  10. in addition to their sleazy honey boo boos it’s very likely the democrats and the nevertrump perverts did all kinds of fraud all up in this election

    happyfeet (048778)

  11. What exactly is that axe you’re grinding?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  12. Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c) — 12/18/2017 @ 1:09 pm

    You are mistaken, Ben. God does not do, at all, what you allege. You would attribute the sins of a person, who uses free-will in accord with selfish reasons, to God. When all that is happening, is God respecting the free-will he gave to his creatures.

    It is disappointing that your comments on God reflect such a poor understanding of God’s love for his creation, and is obstinately expressed in so immature and defiant manner. The conundrum is your inability to recognize God’s love for you. I pray for your epiphany.

    This has been a Spiritual work of Mercy. Let the trampling of Christian charity begin.

    felipe (023cc9)

  13. Your input is irrelevant Felipe. I thought we established your status.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  14. Poor obstinate Ben, you don;t even know what you are saying. Why is there so little room in your heart for the Truth? Ignoring good advice is not a thing of which to be proud.

    felipe (023cc9)

  15. @Ben burn:What exactly is that axe you’re grinding?

    Our host says that Roy Moore is not living up to his principles regarding submission to God’s will, and I am commenting that a moment’s further consideration shows that those principles have never been considered to require that when God allows you to fail, you should just give up, or embrace the principles of those who opposed you, in trying to carry out God’s will as you see it.

    God has allowed much worse to happen to those who serve Him, than they lose an election, and He nonetheless has consistently expected them to carry on as best they can regardless.

    You should try, from time to time, to try to understand how other people think even if you don’t agree. If you have any interest in having people be receptive to anything you say.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  16. “We estimate that it might be somewhere between 1 million and 1.5 million dollars but that could change,” says Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill.

    is that really “exorbitant” compared to what a communist baby-killer like Doug Jones could cost america?

    happyfeet (048778)

  17. God has allowed much worse to happen to those who serve Him, than they lose an election, and He nonetheless has consistently expected them to carry on as best they can regardless.

    That is well said, Frederick.

    felipe (023cc9)

  18. when God allows you to fail, you should just give up, or embrace the principles of those who opposed you, in trying to carry out God’s will as you see it.

    You dressed up your original thought but it still feels like excuse-making for well-intentioned Christian types who use Jesus for covering their in Christian behaviors. I am Gnostic so my Reliance on God interfering on human behavior is based on some common sense.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  19. UnChristian behaviors.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  20. @felipe: Thanks but don’t mistake my meaning. I imagine that Roy Moore’s bullheadedness is not exactly what God might most agree with–but that may be my limitation. If any of it is true, then Christians like Roy Moore are just as valuable to Him as C. S. Lewis or St Francis of Assisi. This is very hard for a non-Christian to understand, and hard even for Christians I think to understand, as Screwtape can tell you. I may err in trying too hard to allow for possibilities I do not really understand.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  21. @Ben burn:I am Gnostic so my Reliance on God interfering on human behavior is based on some common sense.

    One of our great allies at present is the Church itself. Do not misunderstand me. I do not mean the Church as we see her spread but through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an army with banners. That, I confess, is a spectacle which makes our boldest tempters uneasy. But fortunately it is quite invisible to these humans. All your patient sees is the half-finished, sham Gothic erection on the new building estate. When he goes inside, he sees the local grocer with rather in oily expression on his face bustling up to offer him one shiny little book containing a liturgy which neither of them understands, and one shabby little book containing corrupt texts of a number of religious lyrics, mostly bad, and in very small print. When he gets to his pew and looks round him he sees just that selection of his neighbours whom he has hitherto avoided. You want to lean pretty heavily on those neighbours. Make his mind flit to and fro between an expression like “the body of Christ” and the actual faces in the next pew. It matters very little, of course, what kind of people that next pew really contains. You may know one of them to be a great warrior on the Enemy’s side. No matter. Your patient, thanks to Our Father below, is a fool. Provided that any of those neighbours sing out of tune, or have boots that squeak, or double chins, or odd clothes, the patient will quite easily believe that their religion must therefore be somehow ridiculous. At his present stage, you see, he has an idea of “Christians” in his mind which he supposes to be spiritual but which, in fact, is largely pictorial. His mind is full of togas and sandals and armour and bare legs and the mere fact that the other people in church wear modern clothes is a real-though of course an unconscious-difficulty to him. Never let it come to the surface; never let him ask what he expected them to look like. Keep everything hazy in his mind now, and you will have all eternity wherein to amuse yourself by producing in him the peculiar kind of clarity which Hell affords.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  22. I have been writing hitherto on the assumption that the people in the next pew afford no rational ground for disappointment. Of course if they do-if the patient knows that the woman with the absurd hat is a fanatical bridge-player or the man with squeaky boots a miser and an extortioner-then your task is so much the easier. All you then have to do is to keep out of his mind the question “If I, being what I am, can consider that I am in some sense a Christian, why should the different vices of those people in the next pew prove that their religion is mere hypocrisy and convention?” You may ask whether it is possible to keep such an obvious thought from occurring even to a human mind. It is, Wormwood, it is! Handle him properly and it simply won’t come into his head. He has not been anything like long enough with the Enemy to have any real humility yet. What he says, even on his knees, about his own sinfulness is all parrot talk. At bottom, he still believes he has run up a very favourable credit-balance in the Enemy’s ledger by allowing himself to be converted, and thinks that he is showing great humility and condescension in going to church with these “smug”, commonplace neighbours at all. Keep him in that state of mind as long as you can.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  23. You can go away angrily or unhappily, you can go away to visit another poor little girl, you cannot go away with anyone sensible’s money,but for GOD’S SAKE GO AWAY NOW.

    Should be a lesson both Trump and the GOPe need to take to heart; personnel is as important as policy. Bad candidates need to be avoided and beaten, and early.

    Bugg (08921e)

  24. Frederick (64d4e1) — 12/18/2017 @ 1:47 pm
    I haven’t mistaken your meaning. It so easy to point at someone else and attempt to judge . It akes humility and trust (in God) to accuse yourself, first.

    felipe (023cc9)

  25. tingle bells tingle bells tingle all the way
    oh what fun chris mathews had in a pervy kind of way

    mg (60b0f7)

  26. According to God’s Will, Moore was left Sassy and a shovel.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. Felipe. You are a good and kind man. Maybe your heart can reach those who will not see. God bless.

    NJRob (d75a78)

  28. #5,

    Read Roy Moore’s own words again:

    It’s God’s will whatever happens, so we’re expecting God to do whatever he does will be the right thing to do.

    Dana (023079)

  29. The deems play the knockout game and eorse, you see what a sham Stuart smalleys little tap dance was time and new York and new yorkers sudden outbreak of woke is (halperin, pizza it al) ifeople want to contribute to settling this matter what does it matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. It’s more than a little incoherent. For all I can guess, he may be hoping that God will strike Doug Jones dead and he will be appointed by the governor to the Senate seat.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. No i don’t think so, now Doug Jones (from bellboy also shape of water) suddenly calling an end to the travismockasham, we shall see how many of these silver bullets they’ll try next yearm

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. As for the missing ballots, they don’t need to give him the win. They only need to reduce the margin to .5% so he gets an automatic recount. Isn’t that how Franken “won” his first election?

    nk (dbc370)

  33. The lesson the GOP learned from that was to target the prospective hobbit voters for challenge (Ben ginsberg v Joe miller)

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. What Moore is banking on is that there are 20,716 votes for him and 0 for Jones in the military and provisional ballots. That would give Moore a one-vote victory. Not really, but the math works like this:

    If he got 60% of the votes outstandiing, he’d need approcimately 103,580 votes to be outt=standig to overcome such amargin. If he got 70% (unlikely) he’d need 51,790 votes outstanding. A lot are military ballots, band white, but it shouldn’t be that high.

    To reduce the margin to 5,000, he’d need for there to be 78,580 votes outstanding if he got 60% of them, and half of that, 39,290, if he got 70%

    We can perhaps exclude write in votes both from the total of votes outstanding and from the percentage calclations. There should be ahigher percentage of write-in votes among the absentee ballots.
    So he’s really counting on ballot box stuffing in certain precincts.

    Sammy Finkelman (a248bd)

  35. Frederick and Felipe, you would undoubtedly enjoy this.

    Years ago, in my student days at FSU, the student in charge of the local Campus for Christ chapter ran for President of the University SGA, claiming God had told him to run.

    He lost, rather badly.

    A member of the SGA then suggested that someone stand near his window with a bullhorn while he was praying, and say, in as amplified a voice as possible, “I never said you would actually win.”

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  36. too bad those who say Moore should follow God’s lead and accept the consequences of the vote _____ __ ___ ____ _____ Tr__p.

    I’ll let those who can read God’s mind fill in the blanks.

    Personally if Moore makes it a very hard day to concede, more power to him. He was falsely accused and no court of law would have convicted him. Multi-national donors funding thru shell organizations were also used to defeat him. And one of the lawyers who defended once of the fake accusers used a forgery and her own daughter PAYS accusers to make false accusations against Trump so what is the difference here? I’ll use the same rational that those who are glad Moore lost, for Moore to hold out: “What difference does it make? There is a R holding the seat anyway. And its only 2 years until the next election for that seat. Let it be held by the best candidate at this time to support Trump. Guy looks like he’ll due until 2022.”

    Smoke em if you got em Roy Moore: Make the establishment bleed for that seat they stole from you. The left-right establishment worked so hard to illegally take the seat, they will just have to spend more funds on the ulcers Moore will cause them, in order to SIT IN the seat. It will be like tangling diamonds in front of cat-burglars. And I will sit back and enjoy every minute of the frustration as the establishment walks around like zombies, muttering with saliva drooling down their chins” “how can Moore do this?” “doesnt he know everyone is against him?”

    Question to the establishment: “after all of the “opposition research” you did to insure Moore didn’t get the seat, didn’t you realize that Moore doesn’t quit because the “majority” are against him.

    Cheers and have a great day.

    Where Eagles Dare (30c9de)

  37. NJRob (d75a78) — 12/18/2017 @ 5:00 pm

    Thank you for your words of encouragement.

    Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
    -1 Thes 5:11

    felipe (023cc9)

  38. kishnevi (41a4d3) — 12/18/2017 @ 9:18 pm

    LOL! That’s a good one.

    felipe (023cc9)

  39. Where Eagles Dare (30c9de) — 12/19/2017 @ 6:07 am

    Some of what you say is persuasive. It was pointed out earlier, that if the margin of difference is reduce to .5% or less, that a recount would be triggered. I welcome Moore’s efforts to obtain this outcome. But I will remember that “it is not the votes that count, but vote counters.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  40. “Rich Lowry: Trump’s First Year Is Starting To Look Like A Big Win. “As the year ends, President Trump is compiling a solid record of accomplishment. Much of it is unilateral, dependent on extensive executive actions rolling back President Barack Obama’s regulations, impressive judicial appointments and the successful fight against ISIS overseas. The tax bill is the significant legislative achievement that heretofore has been missing. For much of the year, Trump’s presidency had seemed to be sound and fury signifying not much besides the welcome ascension of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Now it’s sound and fury signifying a discernible shift of American government to the right.”

    Given that Lowry was pretty solidly anti-Trump, this is a significant shift.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283766/

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  41. It was nk who mentioned the .5%:

    nk (dbc370) — 12/18/2017 @ 6:01 pm

    felipe (023cc9)

  42. Thanks for the link, colonel.

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. “…see is the half-finished, sham Gothic erection…”

    Wut?… is that like a Marilyn Manson concert on an off-night?

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  44. What is confused for a 1,000 Alex,
    I just compared to the flambee that Peterson received compared to the nc 17 treatment granted other nominees.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  45. You’re welcome, felipe!

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  46. Here’s another… “@ABC, @CBSNews, and @NBCNews ignore report that Obama sabotaged efforts to crackdown on Hezbollah for Iran.”

    https://twitter.com/JammieWF/status/943099764333301762

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  47. There it is..

    God’s Will again

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  48. That would be deus vult an odd name for a rock band.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  49. In the last administration, they were in the banya so long, volodya had monogrammed towels to scrub off after

    narciso (69dd6f)

  50. Who best fits the Wild Beast in Revelation? I hope flippy is still blocking me. His pap is nauseous.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  51. Rear Admiral anti-Semitic sodomite…

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  52. He could have put that little gun back in his pocket and rode that little horse off into the sunset but no…. just another pathetic display of Roy Morals.

    noel (b4d580)

  53. Master Lowry doesn’t seem to have been paying attention all year, and cramming at the end.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  54. When Trump fires Mueller it’s important to strike immediately. For a site near you enter your zip.
    https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/?from=@

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  55. This Soros lawfare exercise brought to you by David Brock and exlax.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  56. the whole skanky corrupt FBI needs to be abolished and Grassley knows this of course

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. klutzy dumb-ass Lisa Bloom leaves us no doubt the Roy Moore honey boo boos were bought and paid for like hookers and pork floss

    this is how #metoo rolls anymore

    and Jennifer Lawrence tells her director boyfriend-daddy she don’t love him no more

    and Track Palin responds the only way he knows: with violence

    as Christmas draws ever closer, carbs in tow, carbs in tow

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. When Trump fires Mueller it’s important to strike immediately. For a site near you enter your zip.
    https://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/?from=@
    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c) — 12/19/2017 @ 7:57 am

    When Trump fires Mueller it will be justice done. The rat b@s*&d is out of control. And what Mueller is doing to Trump can be done to any one of us. It’s disgusting.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  59. I don’t even like Trump.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  60. If you read Geoffrey shepherd, this type of abuse of power re cox’s minions was endemic.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  61. I don’t even like Trump

    I’ll keep your secret.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  62. if bastard’s a filter word how we gonna have a thread about harry and leggy meggy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. If I should ever need it, I would prefer a lawyer who was brutally honest with me, not some hack telling me what I prefer to hear.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-nominees-humiliation-puts-spotlight-on-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  64. 62. happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/19/2017 @ 8:25 am

    and Track Palin responds the only way he knows: with violence

    His father, Todd, pulled a gun on him, but he didn’t want to shoot, so his son beat him up. Todd had not anted him to drive his (Todd’s) truck because he (Track) was drunk, nd he also was on pain medication, the kind I guess which reduces your ability to operate machinery safely.

    They weren’t together at the time. This was over the phone. Track said he as going to come over and beat his father. They locked the doors, but track Palin smashed a window and got in. When Todd could not bring himself to use his gun, Track wrestled his father to the ground and began beating him over the head. Toddd eventually escaped and ran out of the house with blood running down his face.

    In the meantime, his motehr, Sarah, had called the cops.

    If this had been Chicago theer could have been abad outome, but this was Wasilla, Alaska, and the family was famous, and nobody had been accused of sex crimes, at lleast not recently, so when police arrived they didn’t shoot.

    It helped maybe hat there was nobody else in the house but Track.

    He was screaming and he yelled at the police to put down their guns and called them peasants. (even in a mostly homogenous community, you can always find an insult.)

    The police were patient, and they talked Track into surrendering after about 15 minutes. He was charged with felony first degree burglary (burglary does not mean stealing) criminal mischief (a misdemeanor) ad fourth degree assault and was held on $5,000 bail.

    This was not first time Track Palin was arrested. He was arrested last year for punching and kicking his ex-girlfriend, after which he threatened to kill himself.

    Sarah Palin had blamed that on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, allegedly contracted after service in Iraq. (doesn’t every soldier who goes to Iraq contract PTSD and become violent? PTSD is nightmares.)

    Sammy Finkelman (2f76f3)

  65. Question to the establishment: “after all of the “opposition research” you did to insure Moore didn’t get the seat, didn’t you realize that Moore doesn’t quit because the “majority” are against him.

    But Moore’s refusal and his attitude are symptomatic of why he shouldn’t have been elected to any office, no matter what the truth of the sex allegations: he believes he can ignore at his pleasure the courts and the Constitution whenever he disagrees. A judge who ignores orders of a court superior to his own is demonstrating that he has no interest in supporting the rule of law. Don’t let his socially conservative views confuse you: he’s just an authoritarian Leftist who happens to support different things than most Leftists.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  66. “He could have put that little gun back in his pocket and rode that little horse off into the sunset but no…. just another pathetic display of Roy Morals.”

    Just him and teh pygmy pony over by teh dental floss bush…

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  67. 57… note how the Left has a pathological need to see itself as brave, valiant and heroic.

    Pissant Parade.

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  68. Right it’s not like democrats have fixed elections through voter fraud, false indictment or chastisement.

    narciso (69dd6f)

  69. As to whether the WPD is corrupt/incompetant enough to have shot young male Palin, Wasilla is a large enough city for both the Palins and that band that does the “party like its 1966 man” song. Thats a more impressive “spread” of alumni then Long Beach Poly.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  70. Sarah Palin had blamed that on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, allegedly contracted after service in Iraq. (doesn’t every soldier who goes to Iraq contract PTSD and become violent? PTSD is nightmares.)

    PTSD is more than just nightmares. My stepfather suffered from it as a result of his experience in the Korean War–back then they just called it shell shock. He had what is now called anger management problems, was often just borderline violent and usually acted like a mean and nasty b**t**d, and was in general not a pleasure to live with. He hit my mother once–which was enough for her to say enough and throw him out of the house (it was her house before she ever met him)for good.

    In Track’s case, there’s clearly the presence of drink and pain medications involved in this incident. I expect you will shortly hear that Track has been admitted to a rehab clinic.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  71. US and Israel against the World…again. Gog and Magog . Ba’al and Balaam.

    Newsflash: Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since it was conquered by King David back about 1000 BCE. Why do you object to the US finally recognizing reality? Why do you support the rest of the world that wants to deny reality?

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  72. 62. happyfeet (28a91b) — 12/19/2017 @ 8:25 am

    klutzy dumb-ass Lisa Bloom leaves us no doubt the Roy Moore honey boo boos were bought and paid for like hookers and pork floss

    She was offering money last year for women who had stories to tell about Donald Trump. She gave soee money including awoman who had preeviouslt sued Donald Trump (she was his mistress before Melania. She broke up with him, she said, when Trump scheduled breast surgery for her without consukting her beforehand.)

    Lisa Bloom won’t say who was offering to front the money, but she says it wasn’t the Clinton campaign. It’s known that she contacted several “independent” pro-Hillary PACs, (which are not within the scope of her denial) but they declined to spend the money so I suppose it was one or more rich donors. (which of course she may have directed to.)

    One woman kept on holding out for larger and larger sums of money from Lisa Bloom and asked for a impossible amount, and therefore she may have been a plant from O’Keefe or Breitbart or Bannon or somebody like that.

    This doesn’t prove that any of the women in the Roy Moore case were paid. We don’t know. Leigh Corfman claimed in a TV interview that there was no extra money in her bank account, and I suppose she wouldn’t say that if it would turn out to be false (it’s an open invitation for a subpoena of bank records in some future lawsuit and that could happen anyway. I think anyone arranging for that would avoid doing that.) But there are many ways to get paid, or to be promised money.

    Sammy Finkelman (2f76f3)

  73. Holy Schnikeeze!!!

    https://t.co/V3HJCi5NR4

    Colonel Haiku (cc5504)

  74. oh dear god

    trannies carbs are NOT your friend

    think of them like the kids you went to school with

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. @36 Make the establishment bleed for that seat they stole from you. The left-right establishment worked so hard to illegally take the seat, they will just have to spend more funds on the ulcers Moore will cause them, in order to SIT IN the seat. It will be like tangling diamonds in front of cat-burglars. And I will sit back and enjoy every minute of the frustration as the establishment walks around like zombies, muttering with saliva drooling down their chins” “how can Moore do this?” “doesnt he know everyone is against him?” [emphasis added]

    Are you delusional? Do you think that anyone is much exercised about Roy Moore’s antics at this point in time? The more Moore acts the crazy galoot that he is, the easier it is to dismiss him. Those on the left dismissed him long ago as any serious or reputable fellow. Those on the right who had not or have not done so . . . well for them, the greater the antics of Roy Moore the easier it is to dismiss him now without concern either that such action will alienate a respectable portion of the electorate or that Moore will be a drag on on Republican candidates otherwise.

    Q! (86710c)

  76. 76 kush

    The answer to your question is contained within the text you quoted. When politics and primitive religion join forces it never ends well

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (4b3a7c)

  77. 81, how did When politics and primitive religion join forces it never ends well escape the Star Wars filmography?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  78. Control of the Virginia House of Delegates has been decided by one vote:

    http://www.newser.com/story/253071/a-solitary-virginia-voter-has-upended-virginia-politics.html

    Finally Tally in Pivotal Race in Virginia: 11,608 to 11,607

    Lawmaker wins recount by one vote, ending GOP control of House of Delegates

    …In Virginia, a recount has just flipped a seat in the House of Delegates to the Democrats, bringing to an end GOP control of that chamber after 17 years. But incredibly, the margin of victory for Shelly Simonds was just one vote, reports the Virginian-Pilot.

    Simonds ousted GOP incumbent David Yancey by a count of 11,608 to 11,607. Yancey actually led after Election Day by the razor-thin margin of 11,601 to 11,591, but Tuesday’s daylong recount in Newport News changed that. The final results are expected to be certified by the state Supreme Court on Wednesday….

    …Republicans have controlled the House of Delegates since 2000, and Simonds’ victory means the parties will now be split at 50-50. The Washington Post notes that no tie-breaking procedure is in place, meaning that any measure that doesn’t get 51 votes does not advance. The GOP still controls the state Senate, but by a slim 21-19 edge. Politico reports that the surprise development may help state Democrats pass Medicaid expansion in 2018. (Virginia also will have a new Democratic governor.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. happyfeet says, “the whole skanky corrupt FBI needs to be abolished and Grassley knows this of course”

    Of course we have all conveniently forgotten how many times the Trump Campaign and Administration denied that anyone had anything to do with Russia.

    From the “fakers” at the NY Times…. “Standing before reporters in February, President Trump said unequivocally that he knew of nobody from his campaign who was in contact with Russians during the election. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has told the Senate the same thing.”

    So…. lets blame the FBI. And Fake News. Those liars!

    noel (b4d580)

  80. noel @84. They had minor, almost forgettable, contact. Russia tried to penetrate it, and maybe even succeeded (with Mike Flynn for instance) They didn’t have any collusion.

    One of the false claims of collusion didnt involve Russia itself, but Wikileaks. It still would have bene on;y one way, They leak, the leaks are lies, and they try to hint of more. The whole premise is not only wrong, it’s absurd. Trump was not being blackmailed by Russia. Trump had no business interests that could be affected by Russia. Russia did not need Trump’s advise or consent in order to do hacking, and trying to involve him would have been an obvious breach of security. The dossier has the Trump campaign and the Russian government splitting the cost of the hacking Absurd.

    Now somhing hapepned to cause the “friendship” between Trump and Putin but it wasn’t Trump making a deal with Putin.

    Another issue here is Russia offering dirt on Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump Jr – except they didn’t deliver. If they had, they would probably have consulted a lawyer as to what to do.

    Trump has no business dealings in Russia, although he wanted to have for around 30 years, and they kept on stringing him along, but he got nothing except the hosting of the 2013 Miss Universe beauty paeant.

    Sammy Finkelman (9e0380)

  81. Sammy said, “They had minor, almost forgettable, contact.”

    I think it is well established that not only did Don Jr. have contact but specifically requested dirt on the opposition. Kinda “collusiony” there.

    And Flynn lied about his contacts. Then President Trump fired Comey to relieve the pressure of the investigation. To me, that is overt obstruction of justice although charging him with that may be unlikely.

    Minor? We’ll see.

    noel (b4d580)

  82. Think about it. The Campaign and Administration tells the world that they had no contacts with Russians. The President’s own son did so…. and said nothing for months to correct the record?? Others did the same.

    Why?

    noel (b4d580)

  83. I withheld judgement about Roy Moore, and I still do. I don’t believe there’s anything I can do to defend myself against a 14 y.o. accusing me of molesting her last week. Let alone 40 years ago.

    Although 40 years ago I was 15 so that kinda sorta makes it OK.

    And for the record, in case anyone is keeping track, I don’t even know any 14 year old girls these days. I’d like very much to molest a 30 year old woman. As long as it was mutual, and she’d molest me back.

    I’ve been on both sides of the sexual assault issue. I may have mentioned how I was falsely accused of sexual assault. And not even by the girl. She got a bit too tipsy at her wetting down when she turned Lieutenant. And my friends and I formed search parties to go look for her and make sure she got home OK.

    Famous last words. As I was leaving after giving her a glass of water and a couple of aspirins she stopped me from closing the door. And asked me, “Steve, did I make a fool of myself?”

    I told her not to worry about it.

    I made a fool out of myself. Because a snake in the grass who lived in the same building somehow got into her place. Apparently he had the hots for her and thought this was his big chance. And a senior officer from my command knocked on her door to check on her. And he saw this guy and demanded to know what he thought he was doing. Thinking fast he said he broke up a drunken orgy that was about to break out. And he started naming names.

    Like I said, I made a fool of myself. The party was on Friday night. I walked into work on Monday and my department head accused me of rape. It was shortly after Tailhook and the new way to get promoted was to take scalps. At the same time they were threatening the new LT with conduct unbecoming because she had too much to drink. The same kind of thing was happening to four of my friends.

    None of us budged. Not the woman. Not any of my male friends. She knew what they wanted to accuse of us was impossible. We were and are friends. Even though she didn’t remember it she knew it didn’t happen. My XO, also a woman, put a halt to it.

    I could tell that having already been accused of conduct unbecoming she didn’t want to pursue the matter. And I felt so bad. All I could do was to promise myself, “See you in the fleet, buddy.” I would have beaten the crap out of him. And don’t think I couldn’t do it. I have some mad Eskrima skillzz, and the Jews taught me Krav Maga. After beating him to a pulp I would have tied him to a pier below the high water mark.

    I didn’t see him later in the fleet. Otherwise I’d be writing this comment from Leavenworth.

    The thing is, even having been falsely accused, I can’t say sexual assault isn’t a real problem. Because that was what the weasel wormed his way into her place to do (to mix my metaphors). You might think that having been falsely accused I doubt every woman’s story. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

    It still eats at me that those guys were so eager to get promoted that they denied her justice.

    Judge Roy Moore? He’s a creep. But then, so is every other politician I have to vote for. I don’t know for sure he’s a pedophile, though.

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    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. I’m fairly sure I’ll never see him again. And if I did I would just walk past him without saying a word. Especially if he recognized me and said hello.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  85. Some peel ate just bastards willing to take advantage.

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. keep well-rogering that chicken, noel !!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. That was before I became a Christian. And beating him to a pulp just ain’t the Christian thing to do. So for the sake of my soul, no, he gets spared a beating. Not my place.

    Romans 12:

    …18If it is possible on your part, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave room for God’s wrath. For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20On the contrary, “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink. For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head.”…

    In this day and age it’s necessary to spell things out. In case anyone, particularly the NSA or FBI who is monitoring this blog, gets the impression I may be a danger to others.

    I AM NOT! Like I would risk eternity for a few moments of satisfaction.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  88. People, I don’t doubt there ate apex predators in any oeganixation, but the preponderance seems to be in progressive leaning organizations.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. I was drinking buddies with my Judo sensei back in Yokosuka. Also, I’m probably the only guy you’ll ever hear about who studied the USN cutlass manual.

    http://www.navyandmarine.org/cutlassmanual/1906cutlass.pdf

    And who owns a cutlass. And can use it. And not the Oldsmobile variety of Teddy Kennedy fame.

    http://www.thepirateslair.com/9-m1917-us-navy-naval-cutlass.html

    But if anyone wants to buy me a 442 feel free.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  90. @92 Steve57

    What’s the last thing an [ ]man with Alzheimer’s forgets?

    His enemies.

    Pinandpuller (0b6e73)

  91. noel (b4d580) — 12/20/2017 @ 7:14 am

    Sammy said, “They had minor, almost forgettable, contact.” </blockquote. Most of whatthey are talking about is of that nature, or was mo secret, rorwas on official business.

    I think it is well established that not only did Don Jr. have contact but specifically requested dirt on the opposition.

    No Don did not request dirt. It was volunteered to him.

    He was told that if he saw this woman he’d learn it. He was interested. Before the meeting took place, though, Manafort and Kushner were included.

    Kinda “collusiony” there.

    No collusion. Donald Trump Jr. did not ask Russia to do anything to get it. And the supposed information was not said to be obtained by breaking any United States laws. But rather,
    it was supposed to be a leak from the Russian chief prosecutor – information that had turned up in an investigation in Russia.

    Now if any laws were going to violated with that – and he wasn’t told that they were – they were Russian laws regarding what a prosecutor can do. (or possiblly illegal subpoenas, wiretapping etc.)

    And Flynn lied about his contacts.

    Yes he did. But mainly about what he said to the Russian Ambassador. He lied to Mike Pence, too. He wasn’t acting on Trump’s instructions. In all probability, he never consulted the president elect at all – and that was why he was so careful in not making committments..

    Then President Trump fired Comey to relieve the pressure of the investigation.

    Maybe so, but that could only happen if it was an unfair investigation in the first place. You couldn’t stop a legitimate investigation that way.

    Trump maybe believed that Comey was biased and was going to conduct an unfair investigation. There was also the complaint that Comey refused to publicly declare that he was not under investigation, although he had told him that privately (and also a number of members of Congress.)

    Sammy Finkelman (d7b491)

  92. I might be giving the impression I’m bragging. I have been beaten by so many men who were better than me that I know not to get into fights with people I don’t know. Which means I don’t get into fights. Anyone want to hear the story about how I got kicked out of the Kadena Officer’s Club with the SEALs and later they gave me a black eye while we were trying to cook rice? After drinking with the priest in the O’Club on White Beach.

    I couldn’t say much as the SEALs had given me a ride to Kadena. And then held a gross out contest to see if they could make the intel officer puke. And when we got to the Navy BOQ the young lady behind the counter said they were full up. But when the next guy, one of the SEALs, walked up and asked for a room she got these great big dreamy eyes and asked, “Are you a SEAL? Do you want the Captain’s Suite?”

    In case you don’t know in Navy Speak a Captain is an O-6. The equivalent of a Coronel in the rest of the services besides the Coast Guard.

    I was reduced to asking, “Can I sleep on your couch?”

    No way was I getting my own room.

    Later the SEALs busted me in the face. And you know what? It didn’t actually bother me. Because if they really meant it they could have done a lot worse.

    Severely humbled in Texas.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  93. OK, it was just one SEAL who hit me. But both got us kicked out.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)


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