Macron and LePen Move On to Run-off
[guest post by JVW]
Emmanuel Macron gets a bit over 23 percent of the vote; Marine Le Pen of the National Front appears to get just under 22 percent. Francois Fillon, the candidate of the center-right party of Sarkozy, came in at just under 20 percent, the proto-communist Jean-Luc Mélenchon ticked in at just under 19 percent, and the hapless Socialist Party candidate, Benoit Hamon, who inherited the mess left by the Socialist President Francois Hollande, registered an anemic 7 percent. M. Macron and Mme. Le Pen now move to the May 7 final election. Turn-out for this election was said to be greater than usual.
According to Paul Mirengoff at Powerline, the defeated candidates are all beginning to endorse Macron in an effort to forestall the nationalist populism of Le Pen. On the face of it, it would seem that the stars are aligning for an easy victory for Macron, a former socialist who has founded his own party and declares that his ideology is now “neither left nor right.” Perhaps he the Gallic Joe Lieberman, only far more hostile to Israel, but I would bet that he turns out to be a lot more like Barack Obama and would pursue a generally leftist agenda while mouthing the usual platitudes about not being tethered to ideology and only being interested in “what works.”
I am interested in seeing where Mme. Le Pen goes from here. Can she broaden her appeal beyond her base and attract Frenchmen in the center and on the left who are tired of European bureaucrats micromanaging all aspects of French society? Or is France too wedded to the EU ideal to join Britain in making a go of it on their own? After Brexit, the U.S. Presidential election, and the Italian referendum it appeared that we were seeing the twilight of the academic and bureaucratic elite, but the defeat of the populist candidate in Austria along with what is expected to come in France may breathe new life into the parties of the status quo.
For a while it seemed that the recent terrorist attacks in Paris would play to the National Front’s demand of closing off immigration, but I think the general consensus is that Mme Le Pen underperformed today, and that likely suggests that she is headed for defeat in two weeks. But crazy things can happen in a fortnight, and the French are often a very unpredictable people.
– JVW
I confess that I haven’t delved too deeply into the beliefs of Marine Le Pen. My instinct tells me that she isn’t nearly as bad as the European media and their American allies want us to believe, and in the You Tube clips I have seen of her discussion issues she seems to be articulate and her views well thought-out. But I know even some of her supporters believe that her father, who founded the National Front, is a raving lunatic, and even though she has carefully distanced herself from some of his most controversial positions I can understand why people might tend to be wary.
JVW (42615e) — 4/23/2017 @ 4:02 pmIt’s Macron. As in “a written or printed mark (¯) used to indicate a long vowel in some languages and phonetic transcription systems, or a stressed vowel in verse”.
[Damn those silly French spellings. I was thinking Marcon, which is some swear word in Italian, isn’t it? Anyway, I’m making the corrections. Thanks, nk. – JVW]
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 4:04 pmIt means long (neuter declension).
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 4:06 pmI dunno JVW… if I were French, I’d show as much caution re: Old Man Le Pen as Obama voters showed about his mentor Frank Marshall Davis.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/23/2017 @ 5:08 pmThe national front like its Italian counterpart the national alluace, who was a coalition partner, with berlusconi’ forza Italian had some unsavory predecessors.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 5:19 pmTrumps reticence regarding China trade and in a lesser sense Nafta while letting Sessions and Kelly their room to operate is instructive -LePen should show some flexibility on remaining in the EU but stay steadfast regarding immigration.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 4/23/2017 @ 5:51 pmGeert was a lot more harsh, like a Euro Steve King; the Identitaires are kind of color coded for show like most College Republican chapters here.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 4/23/2017 @ 5:53 pmLike the late pim fortyn, whose fate he almost joined thanks to a security force, compromised to the Morocccan mob,
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:05 pmwhy people stop linking the jury thing
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:07 pmThe polls were fairly accurate, the moderate right and the far left tied each other
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/04/centrist-macron-faces-populist-anti-open-borders-le-pen-on-may-7-runoff
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:26 pmThis article by Christopher Caldwell, about a French real estate expert named Christophe Guilluy, is related, timely, and thought-provoking: The French, Coming Apart: A social thinker illuminates his country’s populist divide. Sample bit (italics in original):
Beldar (fa637a) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:27 pmIs France really important to anything? Other than inveigling us into stupid wars in her former colonies?
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:27 pmGilluy took the wrong advice listening to David brooks
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/23/french-election-results-and-discussion-thread-200pm-et-exit-polls/
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:35 pmWhen you come down to it, the most original thinker in French history was Donatien Alphonse François de Sade. Most of the other big thinkers were either actually from somewhere else, like Rousseau, or got chased out of the country, like Voltaire.
kishnevi (3bfc26) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:40 pmWell there was bertillon, pasteur, De tocqueville, aronbut one could do without sartre and (khomeini fan)foucault, lets not even
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:48 pmspeak of baudrilliard,
11 – This quote from the same Caldwell article struck me as very relevant:
“……even if French people were willing to do the work that gets offered in these prosperous urban centers, there’d be no way for them to do it, because there is no longer any place for them to live. As a new bourgeoisie has taken over the private housing stock, poor foreigners have taken over the public—which thus serves the metropolitan rich as a kind of taxpayer-subsidized servants’ quarters. Public-housing inhabitants are almost never ethnically French; the prevailing culture there nowadays is often heavily, intimidatingly Muslim.”
harkin (517285) — 4/23/2017 @ 6:50 pm17. This obviously happened years ago. Nobody really French will move into them. Probably not too many ever wanted to live there because they were isolated and out of the way.
It’s probably not true that relatively poor French people have no other place to live anywhere near Paris, but nobody is moving from the countryside there.
Sammy Finkelman (4591c3) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:21 pmhttps://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-19/french-election-shocker-pollsters-baffled-by-four-way-contest
I’m reminded of an old deep space nine episode where an away teamaccidentally wAS sent to the 2020s, where an Asimov paradox was avoided sort of, but one of the characters is remarking on parliamentary instability in France
Also one can’t help refer to houllebecq’s submission, set five years from now, where there was a runoff between le pen and
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:35 pma moderAte islamist
I like Alexander Dumas, Victor Hugo, and Jules Verne, although not as much as Renee Goscinny, Albert Uderzo and “Morris” (Maurice De Bevere).
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:36 pmAre you guys fixin to go all #neverLePen on us now?
Keep your eye on those damn white supremacist French radical nationalists. Nothing says “I hate brown people” more than a dopey Frenchman wanting to keep France French.
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:41 pmIn my opinion the only Frenchman worth a spit who ever lived was Napoleon, and he was a damn Corsican.
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:44 pmGovernmental instability is a French constant. In the last 200 years they had the Bourbon restoration, the Orleanist monarchy, Napoleon II, Vichy, four of the Five Republics…this was the country that thought the opening day of the Nazi invasion was a fine time to have a cabinet crisis…
kishnevi (3bfc26) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:46 pmWho cares who the French elect. They know if we protect the Estonians or the Poles we protect them by extension. They’ve been getting pretty much a free ride for 70+ years. And all good things come to an end.
Bike Lock Bob. (5a4596) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:49 pmSsh, Hoagie, Ssh. Admittedly, their French Canadian cousins do hold their weight in similar orgs and the 1% (motorcycle) clubs on this side of the ocean.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 4/23/2017 @ 7:52 pmYes the old apocryphal joke that degaulle in the latter end of the 4th republic, asked for a copy of the constitution, the vendor replied USSR president, we don’t stock periodical literature’
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:01 pmThe French are themselves only the most recent settlers of France. A Germanic tribe that supplanted the Romanized Gauls. As are all the other Germanic Northern Europeans, including the Germans and the English. Germanic Johnny-Come-Latelies from somewhere around Armenia.
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:02 pmi like french toast
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:14 pmbut barack likes waffles
he also likes that marcon person
The Bretons, nk, the Bretons…
kishnevi (3bfc26) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:16 pmThey identify with vercintorix, like the UK with boadicea.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:16 pmThe Bretons are also Celts who preceded the Germanics into Europe. But I understand your point. They did not initially settle in Gaul — they settled in Britain and were later driven down to Gaul by the Anglo-Saxons. Okay.
nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:21 pmThe fact that nearly 20% went to a practical Marxists, suggests france is deeply unsettled.
narciso (bfe045) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:44 pmThey still don’t get it,
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10493
And yes calling Algerian colonization a war crime, is a much more vapid response
narciso (d1f714) — 4/23/2017 @ 9:10 pmA nationalist statist vs an internationalist statist.
Neither will bring France to prosperity, but one will at least keep it French for a bit longer.
NJRob (43d957) — 4/23/2017 @ 10:28 pmFrench Guyana, spitting distance from the socialist graveyard called Venezuela, voted a plurality to the communist.
It’s enough to pull your hair out. [Edit] them. I have no belly for sham. So forgive me my jaundiced reaction to next week’s terrorist attack in Paris by well known but never deported/imprisoned Mohammad Montesquieu.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 12:08 amRemember they may have double counted the overseas vote, but it wee quite close to the projected poll.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 6:07 amGreetings:
Macron’s a pimp. He never could have out fought LePen by himself. Now all the “enfants de la patrie” are going to jump her like Antifa on Milo at Berkeley.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 4/24/2017 @ 8:41 amWell that’s one way of looking at it
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 9:18 amhttps://mobile.twitter.com/JTasioulas/status/856259393230340098/photo/1
good link Mr. narciso
that’s a sensible and cogent observation I think
but i also think the obama-raped democrats and their propaganda sluts are so desperate for a win they’re liable to adopt this macron twerp as a proxy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/24/2017 @ 9:22 amThe net flix series marseilles think of it as house of bouilliabasise, shows how things happen
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 9:29 amThat’s an easy question. No. (At least not in time for this year’s runoff election.)
Joshua K. (9ede0e) — 4/24/2017 @ 10:26 amWell the fact that nearly 20% turned for rouge melenchon
https://faustasblog.com/2017/04/about-the-french-elections/
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 10:28 amLe Pen. Le Peu.
One skunk’s as good as another.
“Tish! That’s French!” – Gomez Addams [John Astin] ‘The Addams Family’ ABC TV, 1964-66
DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/24/2017 @ 11:58 amAre you guys fixin to go all #neverLePen on us now?
National Review standing athwart history yelling, commit suicide: French Election: American Conservatives Should Support Macron
scrutineer (9f60f4) — 4/24/2017 @ 12:15 pmwhether spoken in english, french, german, hip-hop, or austrian,
euro trash and american trash are simply in love with government bureaucracy
we’ll be rooting for you madame le pen, but france has too much trash to overcome
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 4/24/2017 @ 12:19 pmand they all vote
National Review are Teddy Roosevelt conservative – they object to the 19th amendment.
Do they have an opinion on prohibition?
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 2:16 pm:: putting on my psychologist hat ::
Messieur National Review, how long have you found powerful opinionated women emasculating?
:: taking a thoughtful pull on my pipe while Mr. National Review struggles with their answer ::
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 2:30 pmGreetings:
Has anyone heard Madame LePen referred to as the “First Female…”. It would seem that she meets the basic requirement, no ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 4/24/2017 @ 3:46 pmSorry, 11b40, Hollande cinched that title. Like William Jefferson Blythe Clinton cinched “first black president”.
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/24/2017 @ 3:50 pmIt’s funny but every time I read or hear the name “Madame LePen” I recite this in my mind like some sort of Pavlovian subject:
There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated Sam McGee.
It’s this Robert Service thing, I guess. And crazy French names.
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/24/2017 @ 3:55 pmEmmanuel Macron studied Philosophy has master’s degree in political science became an Inspector of Finances for the government then an investment banker (read crony capitalist profiting off of insider knowledge – just like Sen DiFi’s husband)
After a couple lucrative years on the grift Macron joined the Socialist Party. His grifty skills were observed approvingly by the head socialist which led to an appointment as deputy secretary-general under François Hollande then a cabinet position Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs (kind of like appointing the fox to henhouse affairs, and putting it in charge of watch dog barking as well)
The unrestricted robbery of the treasury led to Frank Hollande’s poll numbers cratering to 4% approval rating , a record low. Marie Antoinette’s poll numbers never went that low, and they cut her head off!
So to throw the hounds off his stink Mecron resigned his cabinet post and filed papers to run for President as an independant, whose policy positions all sound amazingly similar to a lifelong Socialist Party members.
No I didn’t make that up — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron
THis is the guy the National Review prefers to the potential first woman President of the Republic of France.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 3:59 pmNever even looked in Marine Le Pin’s closet.
Here’s something. Macron has endorsed proposals to make it mandatory for internet companies to allow the government to access encrypted communications from customers.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:19 pm[Macron] considers that his proposal to provide each young adult a “Culture Pass” of 500€ may encourage young people to discover the culture of France and deter terrorism.
fruit loop
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:33 pmWell, they can’t use the Culture Pass on France’s most famous culture. They could be jailed for it.
nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:42 pmFined, not jailed.
nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:43 pmSneaky way for the government to get a cut of the prostitution racket.
nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:45 pmThe world’s a**holes are rooting for you, Madame LePen. Don’t let them down.
Leviticus (e80149) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:49 pmPapertiger, your comment #51 goes to show that corrupt socialist kleptocrat/Kakistocrat politicians are completely interchangeable regardless of nationality and probably race, religion (though I bet they’re atheists) gender and creed.
And I thought the Clinton’s/Obama’s had cornered the market. I’m such a political novice.
#neverChelsea
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:49 pmOffered as justification for NR’s endorsement of Emmanuel Mecron.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/national_review_to_endorse_hillary.html#ixzz4fDHBwYBb
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:55 pmNow mind you, they would likely take issue with balladurs modest measures in the mid 90s as well.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:55 pmwe’ll find out just how misogynistic the french are
we already know they’re trash
but i do love their toast
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 4/24/2017 @ 5:03 pmand their fries
and that bicycle race thru the countryside, too
Kate Beckinsale sure is purty.
Ms. Beckinsale is 43 years old. That must be discouraging for young moderately attractive women.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 5:10 pmThen NT’s endorsement of Emmanuel Mecron is ridiculous and baseless. When they make a statement like: “Whatever the blemishes on Emmanuel Mecron’s record and character have been, no one has called his brand of governing “disruptive.”
” they belie they know not what conservatism is.
Mecron’s not “disruptive” because he’s just another European socialist pig. There is no disruption when you are the status quo. BTW, LePen is no Ronald Reagan.
Basically, Mecron should share Marie Antoinette’s fate. It’s the only French way to deal with him.
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/24/2017 @ 5:40 pmLe Pen does seem to attract a lower class of people who hate Le Pen.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/24/2017 @ 6:19 pmPutin is playing arms race against the MOAB. So cute. The Russians present the “FOAD” bomb (Father Of All Bombs)
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 6:59 pmCNN reports reverence is probably the most unsettling aspect of the development.
Speaking of which;
In 1976, Marine [LePin] survived a bomb attack on the family as they slept in their beds.[23] She was eight when a bomb meant for her father exploded in the stairwell outside the family’s apartment. The blast ripped a hole into the outside wall of the building. Marine, her two older sisters and their parents were unharmed.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 7:08 pmhttp://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter050202.asp
narciso (d1f714) — 4/24/2017 @ 7:36 pm…France’s most famous culture.
Yes, they are a filthy people.
scrutineer (9f60f4) — 4/24/2017 @ 9:57 pmErin Moran had a stage 4 cancer – which sounds serious.
She was sick. Maybe too poor to get treatment. Not self destructive.
When you think about the alumni of Happy Days, which one of them didn’t get a raw deal?
Once Fonzi jumped the shark.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/24/2017 @ 10:29 pmI don;t thik a runoff between the two top finishers is very much good when the top vote getter gets less than 25%, but it worked out OK here. In New York City in a race for public advocate once, the top 4 finshers in the primary all got around 16% and there was a runoff between the top two.
In France now maybe it could have been Melanchon and LePen.
Sammy Finkelman (fbd892) — 4/25/2017 @ 8:01 amron howard made out just fine
and ted mcginley’s added well over 300 tv episode credits since his happy days years and still gets hired today
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/25/2017 @ 8:09 amScott bao’s career was more uneven,
https://mobile.twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/856885928400482305/photo/1
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 8:17 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron
This is nonsense. I think the crime was maybe abandoning Algeria, but they were messing up the fight against the leftwing terrorists there.
Macron seems to be something of Gaullist with origins in the Socialist Party.
Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42) — 4/25/2017 @ 12:41 pmMuch like the campaigns thAT ended with the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo, they mean exactly, sammeh, that without the intervention in 1830, one Doesnt have the Algerian war nearly 150 years earlier and the subsequent civil war a generation later.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 12:50 pmNarciso @74 Yes you could say that, but some other country or countries would probably have taken over Algeria then.
In Africa and Asia, only Siam (Thailand) Persia (Iran)(mostly) and Ethiopia maintained their independence in the 1800s. Some countries were semi-independent, like Egypt and China, and one was founded by the United States, Liberia. Japan also stayed independent and looked for a model and the closest they found was Germany, and by 1895 it was going around conquering places. (Taiwan in 1895, Korea in 1910, some islands maybe at the conclusion of World War I, and they went all out in 1931)
Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42) — 4/25/2017 @ 12:59 pm#48, How can you expect the French to get happy about their first female president when Germans boo the first German-American first daughter of the USA (Ike had 2 sons only).
…and Ted McGinley does get a bad somewhat underserved rap as a show-killer. Clooney, who had a similar career pre-E.R. (which was his 2nd series named E.R.) had the good fortune of finally sticking one on a medical drama instead of a trash comedy and no one tags Paula Marshall and Rena Sofer with the same ill repute.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 4/25/2017 @ 1:06 pmWhile a USA-Mexico allegory is appealing to some, France-Algeria is what NYC-Puerto Rico could have devolved into, given FALN.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 4/25/2017 @ 1:09 pmRon Howards net worth is $140million. Or as his leftist hero would say:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gSb8BP8IL9w/WP9OcoBZx3I/AAAAAAABjU0/s6vvf9irDRsKTh5vdh_d-m0GZYCBQv5XgCHM/at-some-point-youve-made-enough-money-dixon-diaz-03-07-2017-16074905_thumb%255B6%255D?imgmax=800
Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/25/2017 @ 1:18 pmMaybe Spain but they had their hands full with Morocco, yes Puerto Rico even Cuba, but the Mexican territories were the closest parallel.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 2:22 pmThe French might just as well have open borders. The Germans are just gonna march over them either way.
gwjd (032bef) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:04 pmspeaking of coal mine disasters this is the story of the most tragic coal mine disaster in the history of the whole whirl
it happened in Japan, click for the details
and note this too
but that wasn’t the only tragedy what got did on Japan that day oh no
All of this sadness was heaped on japan three days after Laura Welch, then 17, and in a hurry to get to a movie, ran a stop sign in Midland, Texas and sideswiped a car driven by one of her 17-year-old classmates, Michael Dutton Douglas
He did not survive, but Laura went on to become first lady of the united states of america
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:20 pmAnd she never even learned how to say “100 Euros, plus 50 for the room and 10 for the cabdriver” in four languages.
nk (dbc370) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:31 pmthat we know of
happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:32 pmHe speaks of her as if she’s Greek.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:51 pmThe national front is much like the modern national alliance in Italy, which epwaa up coalituin with berlyscini’s forza Italian (an i a broken record on this)
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:52 pmShe’d probably command his respect if she was swarthy and had a hairy back.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/25/2017 @ 5:52 pmted mcginley?
Whenever Erin Moran’s agent started talking [edit] You I’m retiring to Bakersfield money, CBS would whip out Ted McGinley for an episode and say “Play ball you kinky haired bimbo. We got three boys on the show prettier than you.”
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:04 pmted mcginley will wear a dress for peanuts.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:13 pmABC, paper,the original home of T & A TV.
urbanleftbehind (33654c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:13 pmAh. I’ll grant you that point ULB, if you can describe the character Ted McGinley played on Happy Days.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:34 pmMork’s sidekick? I’m drawing a blank.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:36 pmThey don’t consider what five more years would do to france:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/emmanuel-macron-wrong-man-wrong-time.php
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:36 pmSome teacher/coach at Jefferson High. That would be scary shite in modern day Milwaukee proper.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:40 pmWithout looking it up, was he the older brother away in college?
nk (dbc370) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:40 pmAfter looking it up, nephew of the Cunninghams.
nk (dbc370) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:42 pmSpeaking of nephews, did you know that Potsie (Anson Williams) is the nephew of Dr. Heimlich of the eponymous maneuver? Father’s brother.
nk (dbc370) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:45 pmWrong! Ted McGinley played the shark that kept Joanie from retiring happily in Bakersfield, California.
Okay. I don’t know. You could be right.
RIP Erin Moran.
papertiger (c8116c) — 4/25/2017 @ 7:56 pmNo i think he lent fonz the water skies, memory quite foggy since I didn’t follow happy days that closely.
narciso (d1f714) — 4/25/2017 @ 8:11 pm32. narciso (bfe045) — 4/23/2017 @ 8:44 pm
It just suggests that a substantial minority of people are ignoramuses. They could just as easily have voted for other kinds of absurdity. And there’s the protest vote element, too.
Sammy Finkelman (190428) — 4/28/2017 @ 3:54 pm