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2/21/2017

Breitbart Editor Comments On Milo Controversy (UPDATE: “Resigns” from Breitbart)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:15 am



We have our first comments on the Milo controversy from the Breitbart organization. In anticipation of Milo Yiannapoulos’s news conference today, Breitbart editor Alex Marlow was interviewed by Matt Boyle. Marlow said that Milo’s comments were “absolutely indefensible” — but that the controversy looks like a “coordinated hit”:

[Milo] was in the news for unfortunate reasons yesterday. It was something that was a total surprise to people in the Breitbart organization that there’s video that surfaced that appeared to show him justifying sex between an adult and a minor, at least in certain circumstances, which was very troubling and upsetting. . . . The bottom line is the comments on the video are not defensible.

Marlow notes that Milo will have a press conference later today in which he will talk about his “future with Breitbart” and other matters. Marlow then offered some context:

The comments are absolutely indefensible, they’re appalling, and very disappointing that those came out. However, Milo — there is context. Some of the context that, Milo is a gay man who was abused as a child. These are not irrelevant. Other things: that he has said he’s never molested anyone or touched anyone like that himself and it is merely words.

Marlow goes on to cite actual examples of predatory behavior by Lena Dunham and Roman Polanski, and says there is no evidence Milo has been a sexual predator himself. He also says it looks like a coordinated hit by the left and the NeverTrump movement, which “sat on the story” until the CPAC invite. Audio is below.

UPDATE: Milo has “resigned” from Breitbart, surprising exactly nobody.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

610 Responses to “Breitbart Editor Comments On Milo Controversy (UPDATE: “Resigns” from Breitbart)”

  1. Here’s a comment for you from the New York Times.

    While the precise motivation for the rampage remains unclear, it is evident that Mr. Mateen was driven by hatred toward gays and lesbians. Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain. Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish.

    Kind of resonates with some people.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  2. Yes mcmuffins astroturfed the whole thing wonder where the 250 k for research came from.

    narciso (31d00b)

  3. It’s not that we are in opposition to the motives of black hooded ninjas, mobilized and dispatched from the school admin office Rolodex, some people are just too gay to be tolerated in polite company, it’s the tactics they use to achieve the effect we disapprove of.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  4. Yes, we at the #NeverTrump movement were sitting on this gold mine of oppo research for a year just waiting for the right time to spring our trap and ensnare Milo in a pederasty scandal that would topple him, his publishing empire, then Breitbart, and finally Trump! And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those darn pesky kids and their dog at Breitbart. Sad.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  5. Oh my gosh, context, recognizing double standards and throwing out the BS…..run for your lives!!

    harkin (afc7a6)

  6. Usually it’s left to American bridge and media matters, but essentially.

    narciso (31d00b)

  7. Context. Sure. Stick with that.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  8. I knew this guy that when you rode with him you had to talk him through the whole trip. Not even really talk to him, because he was doing most of the talking, but more like you had to pay attention to ever damn detail, nod your head in agreement at the proper queues, fill in pauses with a yup, that sort of thing.
    If you didn’t hand hold this guy nursing him all the way from point a to b, he would drift off the road. Throwing gravel up in the wheel well, and the like. Not that you could tell it were intentional. If your mind wandered you would suddenly notice him rummaging through the glove box for some inconsequential item that he desperately needed, only breaking the search for an alarming shout of “TREE!”

    Know anyone like that?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  9. I’m curious to hear what Milo has to say.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  10. I’ll leave it to others to carry the pitchforks, tar and feathers…

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  11. It may all depend on whose ox is gored…

    “STARTING WITH MADONNA: Ann Althouse: Milo needs to solve his own problems, but to be fair, let’s look at all the pedophilia talk that public figures have survived.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257951/

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  12. The “pitchforks” weren’t out for Milo, in fact all of the anger was directed at CPAC. Sure, Milo lost his book deal, but as far as I’ve seen online there wasn’t a Conservative (or #NeverTrump) campaign directed at Simon & Schuster or his employer. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  13. Milo has achieved what no one else on the right could achieve: he got the left to (temporarily?) stop trying to normalize pedophilia.

    Look at how Salon took down some of its pedo-related content. He needs to take credit for that.

    Thank you, Milo! We are with you.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  14. I’m interested, too.

    This is the most important media appearance of his young life.

    I’ve so enjoyed his $h!+ stirring. I hope he handles it well.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  15. 2. narciso (31d00b) — 2/21/2017 @ 8:47 am

    2.Yes mcmuffins astroturfed the whole thing wonder where the 250 k for research came from.

    No, I don’t think it ccame fom him, and I suspect somewhere somebody has a whole treasure trove of dossiers on people, with strong input coming from divorce cases, and the leaks are always politically motivated.

    Somebody knew that Andy Putzler’s wife had appeared under anonymously on Oprah in 1990, 3 years afer the divorce case was filed (making charges, she now says, that she was talked into by her lawyer)

    Somebody knew, and leaked, the divorce records for two candidates for the United States Senate in Illinois in 2004. It was probably people who, for their own reasons, wanted Barack Obama to become Senator.

    I would suspect maybe a private detective agency somewhere has all of this, or a wide range of very good sources that can be quickly called upon. Sources that are probably breaking legal rules.

    They even knew about Anthony Weiner, albeit not perfectly (they thought he was having an affair) and when Patterico was starting to get a bit close in 2011 toward tracking them down and discovering their existence and who they were, they SWATted him.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  16. 4.Sean (41ed1e) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:00 am

    Yes, we at the #NeverTrump movement were sitting on this gold mine of oppo research for a year just waiting for the right time to spring our trap and ensnare Milo in a pederasty scandal

    It wasn’t the #NeverTrump people; it was probably the totalitarian left. And it wasn’t a gold mine until Milo got disinvited from an colleg appearance for other reasons and conservatives got behind him.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  17. the whole Madonna thing

    i don’t even understand how that relates

    all i know is she made it through the wilderness

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. Good gravy, it was axelrod through his combine connections, that’s nit even in doubt

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. It wasn’t the #NeverTrump people; it was probably the totalitarian left. And it wasn’t a gold mine until Milo got disinvited from an colleg appearance for other reasons and conservatives got behind him.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00) — 2/21/2017 @ 9:40 am

    I know, but try telling that to Breitbart editor Alex Marlow. If Breitbart doesn’t dump Milo expect them, their Alt-Right online goons, and anyone still spelunking up Trump’s backside to claim this was a coordinated hit by the #NeverTrumpers.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  20. From the Althouse link;

    sojerofgod said…
    What irks me more than anything about this sorry episode is how the professional conservatives out there are jumping on this to try and wipe Milo Y. from the public square. Honestly they have had a monopoly on Conservative Thought for a long time and are comfortable being “couch conservatives” who sit like smiling buddas and make statements or perhaps write a book or a paper on how awful and stupid those liberals are, but never really change anything or challenge the status quo in any meaningful way.

    sojerofgod goes on to say some hopeful things about how the situation will change in the near future. I’m not as sanguine.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  21. I thought that’s what times and the post were for, also designated survivor and madam secretary

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. I voted against gay marriage in California.
    But the thing I was really voting against was Judicial Nullification, never proposed or mentioned in the Constitution, just seized as if it were a birthright by the mandarins and smiling buddas that make up our uniparty ruling class.
    Jury Nullification, now that is something real. Something legal, of note, in the Constitution, worthy of respect.

    Andrew Jackson telling John Marshall to go [edit] himself, kind of makes him a hero of mine.

    I know he was a democrat. Sun shines on a duck’s [edit] when his head’s in the right place.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  23. Judicial nullification never comes up for a vote.

    Does that seem right to you?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  24. what’s the endgame of the mcmuffins on Milo now that CPAC took away his invitation

    it’s possible they’re holding something else in abeyance for just in case

    but it’s pretty obvious breitbart’s letting him go

    so what’s left really

    what does Mr. Milo hope to achieve today

    i guess #1 is to just look unbowed and unbroken as opposed to wandering around the local woods taking selfies with people from your campaign you make pretend are passing hikers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. If it want fir Jackson we wouldn’t have Florida, and a subsequent stretch of the midwest, his protege Polk we wouldn’t have the west coast.

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. Milo is Achilles:

    He’s Greek.

    He’s on our side of the wall, although his tent and retainers are off to the far East side of Troy.

    His quarrels and personal combat are fun to watch and they tend to help our side while agrandizing him and his legend.

    He makes us look bad when he drags bodies around the city with a chariot.

    He’s vulnerable where his mama grasped him to dip him in the river Homo.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  27. florida’s good except for all the zika

    at disney whirl they have free mosquito repellent for you now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. P&P… good stuff!!!

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  29. I guess it could have been a Catholic priest, but either way he was twisted.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  30. From the link at comment 19:

    At first, Trump’s order was poorly worded and clumsily ushered in; then it was reformulated. It is supported by the public but nonetheless earned a hysterical response from federal judges who seemed to invent new jurisprudence stating that foreign nationals abroad enjoy U.S. constitutional protections.

    Has the EO been reformulated and released? I think it’s still being . Also, if VDH read Patterico, he might not have written that about the court’s decision, because I don’t think it’s accurate.

    DRJ (15874d)

  31. I want nk to grade my book report.

    Next Trump as Oddyseus.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  32. Was?

    Here’s another comment from the Althouse link;

    Bob Boyd said…
    Milo didn’t say he was a perp, he said he was a victim, but he didn’t think it was so bad.

    Aren’t we constantly being told that rape victims don’t always react the way we might think? That they might not know they were victims? Why are they blaming the victim here?
    Of course we know the answer to that question.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  33. We need to tie #nevertrump to the mast. They are still beguiled.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  34. Oddly judge Horton read the law, and had no problem with it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. The thing about Florida is your wife and a 14 year old boy can re string your bow while you’re at work.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  36. F-
    Despite spurious interpretations by pederasts in academia and Hollywood, Achilles was a confident heterosexual. He became a father at age eleven. His famous anger which caused him to sulk in his tent was because Agamemnon stole his girlfriend. Patroclus was not his lover, but his older first cousin, who was put in actual command of the Myrmidons by their respective fathers, brother Kings, because Achilles was a champion fighter, good in single combat, but no general.

    nk (9faaca)

  37. Trump as Odyseus is RuPaul as George S. Patton.

    nk (9faaca)

  38. He became a father at age eleven.

    Second grade assistant pedorast.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  39. Pretty good in a knife fight though.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  40. I’m sure Reddit is saying this new EO has electrolytes and sh*t.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  41. When the average life expectancy was 35. Age 11 would be like 20 today. His son, Neoptolemos, would have been 11 when he killed Priam at the fall of Troy.

    nk (9faaca)

  42. “Achilles was a confident heterosexual.”

    No such Greek has ever lived… except for Zorba… maybe…

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  43. George Michael was greek

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. Although I’ll grant you that it’s not conclusive proof. Trump has five kids.

    nk (9faaca)

  45. Never said Achilles was gay.

    How about Dennis the Menace as Achilles sitting on his rocking chair in the corner for knocking up Margaret?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  46. How about Milo as Oddyseus because he got blown off course 15 years ago?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  47. Pinandpuller, that #28 thing on Milo was terrific. Thanks. Made me smile.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  48. Colonel Haiku

    When we laugh…we 69.

    When we cry…we 69.

    When the Cubs win the World Series…you get the idea.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  49. I didn’t say you claimed Achilles was gay.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  50. How about I stop writing like a Valley Girl? How would that be?

    Rev Hoagie

    Thank you sir. I don’t have a lot of relevant experience or education to bring to many of these topics so if I see a joke I swing for the fence. As you might expect, I’m never going to play at Cominsky (sic) Park. My parents loved me a little too much.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  51. See the Greek classic “Priapus and teh Goatherd”

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  52. Age 11 would be like 20 today.

    I suspect a bit of gilding the lilly here. I mean what would explain this rapid accent to manhood?
    Proper diet? Spartan exercise regimen?

    There ain’t a preteen alive I couldn’t whip the snot out of. Priam must have been playing dead.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  53. DRJ,

    Secretary Kelly issued two DHS memos yesterday. The first rescinded Obama’s catch and release orders and moved the two week residency free pass nonsense to two years residency required to remain in the US while an immigration case is adjudicated. The memos are extensive and also deal with the cooperation with local LE in order to facilitate prompt removal.

    The Kelly memos do not deal with the refugee issues raised in the EO but it would be utterly unsurprising to see the MFM conflate them.

    Rick Ballard (da143d)

  54. It is by no means a settled question re foreign nationals,

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. looks like Milo’s stepped into some controversy he’s gonna do a press conference on it for to set the record straight you can watch it live here

    i have a call at 2 so not sure if I can watch

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. Gay isn’t synonymous with Greek but it is homophonic.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  57. narciso @18.

    It might be Axelrod was a convenient person to blame, so peole would stop wondering or asking questions.. The Combine, maybe. Was Axelrod a big person in the Combine?

    What the Combine did is, it didn’t support the idea of Peter Fitzgerald running for re-election. But that was only Step 1 in the elevation of Back Obama. I guess they were also needed for Step 4: the replacement of Jack Ryan by Alan Keyes, from Maryland.

    Axelrod denies he had anything to do with getting the divorce records of Jack Ryan out. He wasn’t asked about Blair Hull here:

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/11/axelrod-denies-leaking-obama-opponents-sex-secrets

    “No,” Axelrod told The Daily Caller at a book forum Wednesday at Sixth & I Synagogue in Washington, D.C. The former Obama adviser has long been speculated as the man who got the Chicago Tribune, which he used to work for, to legally pursue and obtain Republican Ryan’s divorce records, which had to be unsealed by a California judge…

    …“They didn’t need any prompting from me,” Axelrod said of the Tribune while awkwardly signing an overpriced $35 book “To Tucker.”

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  58. Here’s one version of how the 2004 Illinois Senate election went:

    http://justrightofrush.blogspot.com/2008/09/do-you-know-how-obama-won-his-seate.html?m=0

    ..Sadly Senator Fitzgerald efforts were not appreciated and without the support of his own party he chose not to run for reelection.

    This provided an opportunity for the Democrats and specifically for Barack Obama. However he had to win the primary first. There were several candidates and the early favorite was state comptroller Dan Hynes. Hynes would probably have won except for another candidate, Blair Hull. Hull, an eccentric multi-millionaire spent nearly 29 million dollars attacking Hynes. Hynes lead was beaten down and with a 10 point lead over Hynes and Obama Hull was poised to win the Senate seat.

    Thirty days prior to the primary election sordid details of Hulls divorce appeared in the Chicago Tribune and Senator Barack Obama was born. Obama, of course, had nothing to do with the release of this information, or did he. One of Obama’s advisors had known about this skeleton in Hulls closet for over two years. That advisor, David Axelrod is still working with and for Barack Obama as his chief strategist and speech writer. This could all be coincidence but Axelrod had known for two years about Hulls marital disgrace. Information which didn’t become public knowledge until after Hull had destroyed Obama’s other competition, Dan Hynes. Oh, and the story was run by Axelrod’s former employer, the Chicago Tribune.

    Obama had won the Democrat primary and now faced Republican, Jack Ryan. Ryan was an attractive candidate who had a chance of beating Obama. Unfortunately he also was divorced. The Chicago Tribune sued to have Jack Ryan’s divorce documents released and the details of the couples sex life completely derailed his campaign. Ryan withdrew from the campaign and Republicans tried to replace him with a good candidate in the short time they had left but could not do so. So, if Obama becomes President and destroys this country you can blame Mike Ditka. Ditka was approached but chose not to run and he was the only Illinois Republican who had a chance at that time.

    It required a lot more than David Axelrod to maneuver all this. I mean, somebody had to encourage Blair Hull and Jack Ryan to run in the first place!!

    My feeling is that it’s more likely that Barack Obama was actually intended to be in 2008 another
    loser like Blair Hull and Jack Ryan, who stopped people who could have won, than that he or Davod Axelrod or anyone close to them was the brains behind all of this.

    That is, Obama was supposed to lose to Hillary Clinton in 2008, but not before getting rid of the rest of the competition for the 2008 Democratic nomination, because he had the advantage of being black, and a fresh face, and because he was being really heavily promoted at the Democratic convention in 2004, before he’d even won his Senate seat – and you can’t say Obama was responsible himself for his becoming the Keynote Speaker. Somebody else had to be behind all that.

    Only he didn’t lose in 2008.

    And neither did Donald Trump in 2016.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  59. By the way, sometimes we also see what are almost cerainly fake witnesses, who, when it is alleged, and also true, that

    (A)

    happened, come forward to say that something worse, but which sounds a bit similar

    (B)

    also happened.

    This went on with Herman Cain and it probably also happened with Donald Trump after the Access Hollywood tape was released.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  60. Milo resigns…

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  61. Milo is losing everything.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  62. Breitbart did right by him, he wants to do right by Breitbart.

    The book will come out this year, with a new publisher. He will donate 10% of the book royalties to victims of childhood sexual abuse.

    “I haven’t ever apologized before, and I don’t anticipate ever doing it again”

    “I’ve never apologized about anything else before . . . but this particular subject strikes pretty close to home for me”

    He apologizes only to victims of childhood sexual abuse, only because his remarks could have been misinterpreted by them.

    “This is a cynical media witch hunt from people who don’t care about children”

    Milo is going to start his own media site. His new “Troll Academy” tour is coming to campuses around the USA.

    “If you want to brand or stereotype me, good luck with that”

    Don’t expect that this will inhibit Milo from speaking out. He wants to stand up for free speech. Free speech in the USA is not in good shape.

    He’s proud to be a free speech warrior and he’s not going anywhere.

    Milo is here on an O-1-B, Alien of extraordinary ability.

    Milo is proud of how he has represented gays to middle America/flyover states. Republicans love him and he’s the first gay to be embraced by Republicans this way.

    Milo is not aware of CPAC’s decision being motivated by homophobia.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  63. Yeah, but Ditka as a restauranteur might have been vulnerable in one particular area of discussion. That could be overlooked and rectified if one is running throughout the primary season but not when the candidate had to be chosen by August (Illinois’ down ballot races are on the same March date as the presidential primary) for a November election.

    Axelrod goes with the flow/wind – I still contend he facilitated a meeting between both Rahm and Ari E., Michael Savage and our 45th president in early 2011 to plan out a 2012 run. Rahm never was a particularly fond-of-Latinos (until the Laquan McDonald tapes were released) and had faced Gery Chico in that years primary – he would not have been put-off by a restrictionist Trump who might retain some FDR/Truman level of large government while focusing on neutering left regulatory initiatives and reforming certain tax policies.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  64. “This is a cynical media witch hunt from people who don’t care about children

    Words matter, and Milo has made it clear he doesn’t consider 13 year-olds as children, which is the problem. This isn’t about painting Milo as a predator, preying on pre-pubescent boys, but his acceptance and belief that on some level it should be okay for a grown man to have a sexual relationship with a 13/14/15 year-old. The fact that he, and his sycophant followers, can’t come to terms with that is sickening.

    Sean (1d5074)

  65. UPDATE: Milo has “resigned” from Breitbart, surprising exactly nobody.

    Patterico (b867aa)

  66. I must check to see what CNN has to say about it…

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/cnn%20reporters%20arrive.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  67. my friend D at work watched a little and pronounced him “insufferable”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. “Congress shall make no law…abridging the right of (Milo’s) free speach…”

    Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a smart-ass loud mouth can put you in the unemployment line quicker than boiled asparagus.

    ropelight (d6018d)

  69. D’s a “man of the left” as they say so he might could be biased

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. I think this ordeal is pretty interesting.

    1. It shows that nobody is above being torn down via criticism.

    2. I do think it shows a deep issue we have with speech. In a world where these exact types of issues are front and center with regard to cultural differences and immigration, people are saying that views like this cannot be expressed at all.

    3. It reminds me about how specific arguments around gay marriage would be shut down as too offensive. If someone builds an analogy about how social limitations are present for pedophilia and bestiality, it would be rejected as an insulting comparison…yet in the years since, those exact issues have popped up to one degree or another.

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  71. Yesterday…

    MSM: “anonymous sources state that Trump…”
    Trump fans: “FAKE NEWS!!”

    Today…

    Trump fans: “anonymous sources state that this was a paid hit on Milo…”
    *crickets*

    Consistency.

    Sean (1d5074)

  72. This. Isn’t. About. Speech.

    This is about being told we need to tolerate and give a platform to a loud mouth braggart who believes 13/14/15 year-old boys should be allowed to have sexual relationships with older men.

    Stop.

    Sean (1d5074)

  73. this isn’t about speech shut up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. Sure it’s about speech. It’s not about him molesting or having sex with children. It’s about an opinion that he expressed that people take offense to.

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  75. he’s apologized and explained his views at length now

    do you see any reason to doubt his sincerity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. The anti-immigrant song
    ————————-

    Ah la la la! Ah la la la!

    We come from the land of the sand and sea

    The camel the date the IED

    The scim’tar of Allah will drive our herds to Dar al Harb

    To fight dhimmi and wail and pray

    Inshallah we are coming

    Your penalty a flensing draw

    And imposition of Shariah Law

    Ay yi yi yi! Ay yi yi yi!

    We come from the land to the South YOLO!

    With the taco trucks and the donkey show

    How smooth your lawns, so green

    Recount the grants of Spanish Kings

    And how we lost the tides of war

    We are your groundskeepers

    On we sweep, with leafblowers

    La Raza’s here for your Western Shores!

    So now you better go

    And build Presidente’s Wall

    For peace and trust will lose the day

    Tired of all your winning

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  77. There might be a back at the ranch situation in Ewe-ston:
    http://abc7chicago.com/news/active-shooter-reported-at-ben-taub-hospital-in-houston/1765757/

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  78. This is why whittaker chambers,thoughtvhe was joining the ‘losing side’

    narciso (952aff)

  79. McMuffin and jackal pack involvement… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368502.php

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  80. slurpy’s so sleazy ugh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. Regardless – his stick was getting old.

    mg (31009b)

  82. There ain’t a preteen alive I couldn’t whip the snot out of. Priam must have been playing dead.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 2/21/2017 @ 11:36 am

    ===============================================

    But there was, not so long ago: Mike Tyson

    Any denial of this fact will be considered ludicrouth.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  83. I’ll see your immigrant song and raise you an
    illegal immigrant song [YouTube]
    {set to the tune of “Going to California”}

    Know the difference Trump’s wall and Bernie’s wall?

    Bernie’s wall has Mexican border guards.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  84. I’m inclined to think that Milo did in fact resign; he’s enough of a loudmouth to tell anyone, Breitbart included, to shove off if he doesn’t want to do something. He also seems the type to turn getting thrown off a magazine for talking about sexual abuse into even more fame.

    But he didn’t; his resignation was incredibly gracious and said he felt the need to do right by the magazine that did right by him.

    As for people either condemning or defending his actions: I’m of the mind that there are a lot of conservative principles that we should be discussing in regards to this (how sexual abuse hurts people, why sex at a young age is harmful to the psyche, cycles of violence and abuse that are avoided via traditional mores, etc.), but everyone is either damning someone whose remarks were predicated on his own statutory rape, or about defending an individual who appeared to advocate for sexual abuse of minors. Either way, that’s obviously a losing proposition.

    bridget (1c91a9)

  85. he’s apologized and explained his views at length now

    do you see any reason to doubt his sincerity

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 1:07 pm

    Since Milo has never been sincere I have no reason to take him seriously. What he said was clear, without ambiguity, and now he wants to play the victim card just like those he has mocked. Milo needs help, not a platform at CPAC, but that’s not what he thinks this is about. He wants to play this off as a witch hunt while he plays the martyr; and I’m not interested in that drama.

    Sean (1d5074)

  86. I think we should have Walter Koenig as ambassador to Russia.

    He needs the work.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  87. i think the CPAC ship has sailed

    they could still change their minds though for next year

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. Wrong thread. sorry.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  89. about the update.

    Let’s toss Milo off a building next.
    Only thing left on the to do list.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  90. I don’t care if he lands in a vat of goat urine, just don’t splash it on me.

    mg (31009b)

  91. 01-B Indviduals of extraordinary ability in the arts or extraordinary achievements in the motion picture or television industry.

    He is, officially, a performer.

    nk (9faaca)

  92. Since Milo has never been sincere I have no reason to take him seriously. What he said was clear, without ambiguity, ….

    You realize Sean, the second sentence is completely contrary to the first. If he’s never been sincere he cannot be clear, without ambiguity. Therefore, if what he said was clear, you must take him seriously.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  93. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445079/milo-yiannopoulos-bad-poster-boy-conservative-free-speech-rights

    Free Speech Has a Milo Problem

    ….this is America’s free-speech problem. The law is largely solid. Government entities that censor or silence citizens on the basis of their political, cultural, or religious viewpoint almost always lose in court. With some exceptions, the First Amendment remains robust. Yet the culture of free speech is eroding away, rapidly.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  94. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 2:01 pm

    If he’s never been sincere he cannot be clear, without ambiguity….

    Oh, you can be clear, without being sincere. You can even be inconsistent with what you said at another time and place.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  95. Let’s toss Milo off a building next.
    Only thing left on the to do list.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 2/21/2017 @ 1:54 pm

    Yup. That’s what everyone wants, stone Milo! Drop him off a tall building! The right wants his head, all because he’s brash, outspoken, and a Trump supporter!!

    Forget the fact that people only expressed outrage at CPAC for the invite using Milo’s own words to make their case. Forget the fact that Milo expressed support for grown men having sexual relationships with 13/14/15 year old boys, and is now playing Bill Clinton’s favorite game of parsing definitions. None of that matters here, we need to make this about Trump… somehow… and to a lesser extent free speech… even when it’s not…

    Yup. That’s exactly what this is about.

    Sean (1d5074)

  96. You realize Sean, the second sentence is completely contrary to the first. If he’s never been sincere he cannot be clear, without ambiguity. Therefore, if what he said was clear, you must take him seriously.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 2:01 pm

    You do realize I was referencing his “apology” and explanation that I don’t take seriously? His statement of support for pederasty was hardly made in jest, and he’s now wanting to parse words making this about “children” when, by his own account, this whole episode had nothing to do with HIS definition of children, but young boys ages 13/14/15 being allowed to experience sexual relationships with older men. It’s like listening to a cigar smoker constantly defend himself as an non-smoker by proclaiming he’s never smoked a cigarette in his life.

    Sean (1d5074)

  97. The simplest way to put things is that Milo doesn’t believe in the concept of statutory rape.

    To be really consistent, he should not even make an exception for children below the age of 13 or puberty, but require lack of consent, or an inability to consent, to be an element of proof of the crime of rape, and maybe he does, except that he will concede that no one below the age of puberty has any rational or, unforced, reason to consent.

    Traditional religion, I think, also did not believe in the concept of statutory rape, but held that consent could only be given through a marriage ceremony (and persons below a certain age, or missing some level of competency, could not consent to marriage; and no person had a right to consent, or request, any such thing if it was between the wrong persons) and in certain cases consent could be obtained after the fact.

    I think that’s right, or close. Maybe that is not precise enough. Traadional religion and morality did not really have a crime of rape, only forbidden sex; with rape, or the presumption of rape, being a defense for one of the two parties. But it didn’t increase the penalty, which was sometimes death, for the other.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  98. Wil Wheaton’s favorite Patrick Stewart story. (Bing search)

    I guess Wesley won’t be invited to CPAC any time soon.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  99. I have no dog in the hunt, except for the Free Speech aspects and the long knives aspects, just all introspection.
    Two facts to bring up are, Age of Consent in England is 16, Milo what 17 when he chased and caught the Priest.
    And for what it’s worth the age of consent in Mexico is 12 years old
    Age of consent in Muslimcontrolled countries is a gray area, as the women have no rights anyway.
    Milo is about free speech, and has talked about his own sexual awakening at that age.
    This talk in context was about him, and he was over the age of consent
    He readily admits that he was the pursuer of the realtionship, and so the talk delved off into the rights of young gay people, stream of consciousness sort of stuff.
    He also was molested yes, under the age of consent.
    He has never molested a child or said that Pedastery was ok, but was justifying HIS pursuing an older man, and that is how the conversation came about.
    The whole thing is context, context, context.
    But he does not want to drag anyone else down into the waters that he wants to speak from, so resigned to protect everyone else.
    I like the guy, admire his speaking skills, his courage to keep ideas flowing, and I wish him well.
    To the nay-sayers, as Andrew would say so what.
    To the connivers, karma is a bitch.

    Tommy Cee (5cf707)

  100. connivers is no good

    i’m making a list!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. He has never molested a child or said that Pedastery was ok, but was justifying HIS pursuing an older man, and that is how the conversation came about.

    You’re right, based on what we know he hasn’t ever molested a child, but the rest of your statement is false…

    PaulsEgo: OK, OK, fine. I retract my statement, Milo. I retract my statement. I shan’t slander you further. But you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?

    Yiannopoulos: Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.

    Sean (1d5074)

  102. I recommend that androids not read sean’s posts.

    Avoid the circuit meltdown. [jpg]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  103. Patterico might be an exception but it will be interesting to see if the other nevertrumpers in the media had as much to say about Hastert as they do this powerless nobody Milo guy.

    Jcurtis (b4ed90)

  104. Hastert – he’s not invited to CPAC either.

    I’m sensing a pattern.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  105. for the love of sweet mormon jesus’s fanciest panties what more do you effing want he’s not going to the ball he lost his job and he lost his book deal

    vindictive freak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. The statement was marlow’s in light of mcmuffin’s taking credit, its reasonable conjecture.

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. CPAC might be cool with having a gay speaker as long as they were closet gay, and kept the former lover extortion payoffs under the radar.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  108. Maybe Hastert could have slipped past the doorman in days gone by.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  109. Hastert was a whole different kettle of stinky cheese

    very very very bad man

    but it’s also super creepy how the DOJ did on him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  110. Sammy, are you forgetting Deut. 22?

    But if it is the field the man shall find the betrothed girl, and the man will seize her and lie with her, only the man who lies with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the girl, for the girl has committed no capital sin, for like a man who rises up against his fellow and kills him, so is this thing, for he found her in the field, the betrothed girl cried out, but she had no saviour.

    And of course the rapes of Dinah and Tamar.

    kishnevi (1c16da)

  111. Captain Oveur dissinviting himself from CPAC.
    [YouTube]
    Guess Jim Abrahams, and the Zucker Bros. won’t be invited either.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  112. Peter Graves still alive?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  113. The thing about pederasty and cigars is you don’t like them as an adult if they were forced upon you as a kid.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  114. Why do people think I need to hear about the sex they have?
    shut up and -uc-

    mg (31009b)

  115. subway jared could do a remote from the pedditentary

    mg (31009b)

  116. The sad thing is, Joe Paterno could smell a cigar from a mile away.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  117. Papertiger

    Fun fact: Peter Graves was James Arness’ brother.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  118. for the love of sweet mormon jesus’s fanciest panties what more do you effing want he’s not going to the ball he lost his job and he lost his book deal

    vindictive freak

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 2:46 pm

    Did Conservatives or #NeverTrumpers protest or force S&S to drop Milo’s book? Did they go after Brietbart to fire him? Did they ask Milo to resign? No. Conservatives were simply aghast that CPAC, or more accurately a few bad actors in charge of CPAC, would invite Milo and give him a platform at the conference without vetting his past statements or inform the individuals sponsoring the event before hand. They had a valid concern and brought evidence in the form of Milo’s own comments to back up their claims.

    But now we have people on the right (alt-right?) wanting to use this crisis (can’t let it go to waste) to bludgeon their perceived enemies and make this entire episode about an attack on Free Speech, or put forth a conspiratorial claim that this is just the opening salvo in the #NeverTrump’s ever expanding campaign against Trump.

    Sean (1d5074)

  119. Well they add ethyl mercaptin to propane to odorize it so…

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  120. to be clear i wasn’t aiming that at you Mr. Sean it just seemed like a timely thing to say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  121. Because sean.

    It is an attack on freedom of speech, and it’s pretty clear which people are saying shut up.

    You don’t have to look around and ask which ones are doing it.

    And for another thing it’s bonehead stupid politics.

    And the losers are rafting off of our momentum, leaving their dirty fingerprints on our reputation.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  122. Bite it, Trumpkins. Creatures like Milo on the Left are the most odious part of the Left. But because Milo is a Trumpkin, too, he’s your good buddy. Take him into your camp if you want but don’ t get on your high horse with us if we don’t camp it up with you.

    nk (9faaca)

  123. mg

    When I was 19 I was at Union Station in Indianapolis with a group of friends.

    I got this creepy feeling and when I looked to my left some dude waggled his eyebrows at me.

    We GTH away from that area but it happened several more times before we left. I’m pretty sure he was following me.

    Since that day I look at women in a different way. Mostly thru sunglasses and reflections in windows.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  124. but but but Hillary says the child who demands zero standards and zero accountability.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. If refusing to tolerate raping children makes me a “loser” then I guess I’m a loser.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  126. papertiger.

    This isn’t an attack on Freedom of Speech, Milo isn’t in jail, censored, or under a gag order but the Government. He’s free to advocate NAMBLA talking points until the cows come home, but S&S aren’t obligated to publish his book, nor is Breitbart obligated to give him a job—although good on them for not making a knee jerk reaction until they were able to confirm with Milo first.

    The only one I see doing this to Milo is… Milo.

    How is denouncing pederasty and denying Milo a platform at CPAC “bonehead stupid politics”?

    By losers I assume you’re referring to the now all-powerful #NeverTrump movement?

    to be clear i wasn’t aiming that at you Mr. Sean it just seemed like a timely thing to say

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/21/2017 @ 3:20 pm

    No worries Mr. Feet (or is it Mr. Foot when using a salutation?).

    Sean (1d5074)

  127. these sleazy slurpies invoke poor dead doddering reagan but he would be disgusted by them to where he would vomit jellybeans

    The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It’s a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.

    they would make him so sick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  128. all of them are good Mr. Sean!

    I’m just ready to deregulate some regulations and reform some tax codes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  129. Yiannapoulos sent C-packin’.

    “What’s good for M & M Enterprises will be good for the country.” – Milo Minderbinder [Jon Voight] ‘Catch 22’ 1970

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  130. It’s amusing how much the Trumpkins are smearing Milo’s critics, in an effort to shut down free speech, while lying to us about how they are defending free speech.

    Milo got up in front of hundreds of thousands of people on youtube to tell us what he thought. Plenty of rope.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  131. There was this girl I used to get a signature from on a weekly basis. During the summer I innocently noticed she had the Illuminati and Masonic all seeing eye in the triangle tattooed in her cleavage.

    It’s still one of my greatest regrets that I never broached the issue.

    I wanted to ask her if she ever had to tell guys,”Hey! My eye is up HERE!”

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  132. i should like to know elissa’s thinkings about these matters

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. I ws going to google for someone besides Milo’s story of their first gay experience, cause I figure they’re all going to be about the same, involving Uncle Bob, wrestling coach Hastert, Reverend Playfair.

    Note to self and others – don’t do that.

    You do not want to go there.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  134. Trump cultists invoking the 11th Commandment.

    Now I’ve seen it all.

    Dave (711345)

  135. Is anyone interested in suing some sex stores? They can’t all be The Worlds Largest.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  136. #119 Pinandpuller,

    An even more fun fact is that Olivia da Havilliand and Joan Fontaine were sisters.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  137. #137 Pinandpuller, but everything’s larger in Texas!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  138. I INVOKE WHAT I WANT

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. Pindandpuller –
    http://vuarnet.com/us/collections/251-glacier-1957
    what you view behind a glacier glasses stays behind glacier glasses

    mg (31009b)

  140. Well its mcmuffin, who acts like Arnold horshack, had American bridge or media matters done so, we would act accordingly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. is it E. J. Dustin? Or Duster Holt?

    Offering political tips out of the goodness of his heart, I’m sure.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  142. Our wrestling/cross country coach was a Godly manly man.

    Unfortunately it was often too cold and windy to run outside so we would run stairs. That wasn’t the bad part, though. Mr B the drama teacher, who wore frikkin legwarmers, would always find a reason to come talk to coach M in the hallway. Creep.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  143. Now mcmuffin has beenalnost entirely unsuccessful in his ventures, as of late, the acme hall of fame, has him on their board of directord

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. We had a photo teacher that loved the darkroom, until his hand was broken.

    mg (31009b)

  145. So there are some interesting connections here

    http://hurryupharry.org/2017/02/21/commiserations-to-cage-prisoners

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Cruz Supporter

    de Havilland had the bigger wingspan, right?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  147. Eggamuffin… http://youtu.be/LSMGUaxKb4E

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  148. What I like about Patterico and his commentators is it’s one part iron sharpens iron and two part paper covers rock.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  149. The world needs more self blowing Fiddlers, eh narciso?

    mg (31009b)

  150. 146… did ya get expelled or just suspended, mg?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  151. The problem is when they blow, they take people with them, a similar incident nine years in mogul, involved a Kuwaiti, Al ajmi

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. YOU LET THEM LEAD BOYSCOUTS!?!

    And now you’re going to complain?

    Milo is the bridge too far?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  153. Neither, Col. He just showed up a few days later with a cast.

    mg (31009b)

  154. How many of you voted McMullin?

    A couple hands in the back row. Over there too?

    [edit] YOU!

    papertiger (c8116c)

  155. In the UK its reprieve and cage prisoner, here its cccr and firms like covington and burling

    ttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/22/gitmo-lawyers

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. 99. 112. kishnevi (1c16da) — 2/21/2017 @ 2:54 pm

    Sammy, are you forgetting Deut. 22?

    But if it is the field the man shall find the betrothed girl, and the man will seize her and lie with her, only the man who lies with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the girl, for the girl has committed no capital sin, for like a man who rises up against his fellow and kills him, so is this thing, for he found her in the field, the betrothed girl cried out, but she had no saviour.

    No, that is precisely what I was thinking of.

    Look at the verses before: (different translation, I don’t know what yours is)

    <i? If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so shalt thou put away the evil from Israel.

    If there be a damsel that is a virgin betrothed unto a man, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die: the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife; so thou shalt put away the evil from the midst of thee.

    That could be more or less described as:

    “not really [having] a crime of rape, only forbidden sex; with rape, or the presumption of rape, being a defense for one of the two parties. But it didn’t increase the penalty, which was sometimes death, for the other.’

    Now there’s not even a prima facie case against the girl.

    In the case where the girl was not betrothed, he pays her father fifty shekels of silver (it is not longer possible for this to be free egotiation) and he is not allowed to divorce her all hjis life. (she also could refuse) We don’t get into the question of whether the act was voluntary or not on her part, except I suppose, if he was interrupted in the act..

    And of course the rapes of Dinah and Tamar.

    Dinah was rape, but Chamor tried to start talking nice to her (spoke to her heart) He snd his fatehr then proceeded to jacob to propose marriage. Both parties pretended that a rape had not taken place, although they knew it, but Jacob and his sons acted as if they didn’t. A marriage would have legitimized the whole thing. That’s what I meant by
    “in certain cases consent could be obtained after the fact.” Now this is pre-Sinai or for all people.

    Jacob let his sons take the lead. They actually couldn’t walk away with their daughter/sister although Shechem was pretending they could because he was pretending no rape had happened. But Dinah was still in Chamor’s house. Nor was Chamor any kind of a suitable candidate for marriage.

    So they claimed their religion was centered entirely on crcumcision. They could marry into any people that was circumcised. But otherwise no. This sounded good to Chamor and Shechem his father and they proceeded to sell it to the rest of the inhabitants of their settlement. And they all circumcised themselves. Then, on the thrid day, when tehy were at their weakest,. Shimon and Levi went to all the houses were the men were and they killed all the males. And then they left. Jacob hadn’t known this was going to happen. he cast his pbjections in practical terms. The inhabitants of the land will all be against us. They replied, shall we treat our sister like a prostitute? And they travelled but a fear of them was placed on the inhabitants of the land and they did not pursue themm

    At the end of his life Jacob rebukes Shimon and Levi for their anger. Now the question is was it right or wrong. If wrong why just a mild rebuke? I mean isn’t it murder? If right why a rebuke?

    The answer could be that, although they were within their rights to do it, because it is thr duty to establish courts and law, and they had roped every single man in the city into the conspiracy. tehy ended it in away that they didn’t have to.

    There are two Tamrs. I suppose you are thinking about is the daughter of king David. She tried to prevent the rape by saying my fatehr will allow you to marry me. the best answer is taht she was lying.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  157. here from over at instapundit is a look at just how sleazy and slimy slurpy and his reagan butt-brigade are

    Employees at four of the publications listed by the Reagan Battalion—the Daily Caller, the National Review, the Federalist, and the Blaze—said their companies have no affiliation with the Reagan Battalion. “We have no affiliation with this site at all. Looking at it, I assume this is just his way of promoting websites that he likes,” Leon Wolf, managing editor of the Blaze, told the Daily Dot.

    “No relation at all,” said Madeline Orr, a spokeswoman for the Federalist, of the Reagan Battalion. “Never heard of them, and ‘the Federalist’ logo they have on their site is not our logo. Looks like a knock off.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. The first Hastert Rule was don’t tell your parents.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  159. don’t tell me the second

    mg (31009b)

  160. I’m sorry. You probably didn’t know McMullin that well at the time.

    Who really knows these goons. You only ask yourself do they D up, protecting the hoop?

    If the answer is yes you pull the level.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  161. #148 Pinandpuller, Olivia’s still alive (she turned 100 last summer), so she definitely has the bigger wingspan! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  162. President Trump has made so many excellent appointments that it is hard to keep up with them all. But surely one of the best is his appointment of Nikki Haley, former Governor of South Carolina, as UN Ambassador.

    i did not know good this choice was

    but now i do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. Sorry. Shechem was the son, Chamor was the father. Dinah was in the house of Shechem (the son) The city ws called Shechem because the founder of a city would often nameit after his son. As for what Jacob had expected, maybe he thought they would just carry Dinah away and kill, if anyone, only Shechem or Shechem and Chamor.

    At that time everything was a tort, but also every crime could be punished with death.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  164. @85 papertiger

    It’s an imitation song about the immigration game.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  165. The question about Tamar the daughter of King David is how could Amnon, her half-brother, marry her? That is not allowed.

    One answer, the more common answerr, was that she was in a special situaation, and was the daughter of a yefas taor (Deut 21:10ff) and a child born like this is not legally considered a sister of children from another mother. (legally, all children before conversion are not related, and this is away David could have had intercourse permissibly with someone who was not, at least conditonally, a Jew.)

    A better answer, really, is that she was lying, and was hoping Amnon would believe her, even though it was against the Torah for him to marry her, because he would say nobody can stop the king from doing anything.

    But he forces her, and then she wants to stay there, but he orders her out, and she says this wrong is worse than the other one, and he has his servants throw her out, and she tears up her coat of many colors, puts ashes on her head and goes around crying.

    The king is angry but doesn’t know waht to do, and eventually Absalom, who is apparently her full brother, kills Amnon. Things get even worse later. King David did not know how to bring up children.

    The other Tanar is the widowed daughter in law of Yehuda (Judah) Judah agrees to pays her money to have sex when she is disguised as a prostitute (his wife had died) but she disappears with his tokens of authority. when she discoverd pregnant (now she is betrothed to his last surviving son) it means she committed adultery and he sentences her to be burnt. But before that she presents him through a messenger with his signet cords and staff. he says she is more righteous than me, because she did it because his third son was not given to her. (She had bene thw wife of his two other sons) He does not have relations with her any more after that. But two sons are born.

    We also see Sarah is kidnapped twice and taken into a ruler’s harem. In both cases she is not molested, at least in part because diseases strike there, and when they find out, the ruler gives them a lot of money to forget it all. Abimelech specifcally addresses Sarah. That’s not actual rape, because it didn’t materialize, but there is apparently a belief that you can pay people off for almost any harm including murder. Later, the Bible has to specifically outlaw that for any true murder because if it didn’t, you’d assume you could.

    The wife of Potiphar attempts to induce Joseph to sleep with her. She doesn’t have the physical ability to force him. One time, she grabs him and he tears himself away, leaving a piece of his cloak in her hand and she invents a lie – that he tried to rape her. Potiphar, his master, who was actually the chief executioner of Pharoah, puts him in Pharoah’s jail, and forgets about him.

    We also have in Genesis, what we nowadays, at leaat on college camopuses, would call a rape of a man by two separate women. Lot’s two remaining daughters get him drunk on two separate nights in order to get children. He’s too drunk or passed out to realize this is not his dead wife. This is clearly not something permissible. But there’s no law around, except the anti-stranger laws of Sodom and the neighboring communities. Lot was first in the one city that survived the destruction but then left because he was afraid.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  166. {set to the tune of “Going to California”

    You know, I think there’s a reason there’s a song taht goes:

    California, here I come,

    Right back where I started from..

    The singer claims he is not an immigrant.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  167. Pinandpuller, both partiotretort.com and truthrevolt.org have excellent pieces on the Milo debacle. Conservatives really threw that guy under the bus. Seems conservatives can’t support anyone not perfect and can’t forgive those not pure. Whether neverTrump or neverMilo it ends up the left wins.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  168. 163. So is Kirk Douglas.

    Olivia de Havilland was born on July 1, 1916 (in Tokyo)

    Kirk Douglas (The Ragman’s Son) was born on December 9, 1916 in Amsterdam, New York.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  169. assh*le hit and run
    but no Skoal® for wayward trolls
    can you get to that?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  170. it was like watching cruel and demented children viciously bully a much smaller much more congenial kid

    remember the black lives matter torture in Chicago?

    kinda had the same squicky feel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. milo is overblown

    mg (31009b)

  172. so is meryl streep

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  173. No idea who the Reagan Battalion people are.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  174. did you see their weirdo half-assed commentless blog with the homage to Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. This is why the daily dot piece is informative

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. Daily Caller is on the case as well

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. mg

    you don’t have to turn off the red light

    those days are over

    you don’t have to run screaming into the night

    mg

    you don’t have to develop your film tonight

    you can stand closer

    Milo won’t tell you if it’s wrong or if it’s right

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  178. happyfeet

    the Blaze is one letter away from full blown gay.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  179. @163 Cruz Supporter

    She’s ready for you to get off her lawn!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  180. The first Hastert Rule was don’t tell your parents.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48) — 2/21/2017 @ 4:45 pm

    And there is the crime of it. This right here ^ in a nutshell.
    The dirty little secret that blows a big gaping hole in the theory that banning boy scout jamborees from Balboa Park is the righting of a discriminatory wrong.

    Tossing Milo is tossing the baby with the bathwater.

    Who are your children going to confide with?
    Can’t talk about it with adults. Look what they did to Milo.
    Camp counselor Hastert maybe?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  181. i’d forgotten about them until this dealio Mr. pnp

    but i’ve started using memeorandum more and the blaze was all up in Mr. Milo’s grill

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. Live by controversy, die by controversy.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  183. What if your little snowflake isn’t tough enough or assertive enough to break a teacher’s arm in the darkroom?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  184. Love the opening to that Daily Caller piece:

    “The group that accused Milo Yiannopoulos of defending pedophilia…”

    It’s hardly an accusation when it’s their own words that convict them.

    It’s nice to see the right adopt a Progressive/Democrat view of dealing with scandals. This behavior along with Trump keeping the Dreamers and looking to just tweak Obamacare (Trumpcare?) means it’s only a matter of time before the right also adopts the symbol of the ass.

    So, let’s cheer on the mob grabbing their pitchforks and setting their sights on the messengers. It’s not at all like those that went after the group responsible for the Planned Parenthood sting videos instead of dealing with what was said in the videos.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  185. eggamuffin!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  186. I’ve seen this movie before!

    Footloose!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  187. As far as rationalizations go Milo’s is the most benign ones I’ve heard.

    Usually you get some variation of I was born this way. How dare you point at me you bigot. Now give me my own bathroom, and order your kids use it too or I’ll see you in court.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  188. Speaking of which, it looks like the bathroom situation is returning to status quo.

    narciso (1f85b1)

  189. one of

    papertiger (c8116c)

  190. Lesson is don’t be flippant. The muck will be raked, scores will be settled, political agendas will be furthered.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  191. Remember when AIDS was a gay disease until it wasn’t?

    Remember when Reagan was a gay hater because he didn’t spend enough money on research for a disease that everyone had an equal chance of catching and definitely was not a gay disease?

    Good times.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  192. What joe Rogan is charlie Rose, he made it big time making people eat bugs

    narciso (1f85b1)

  193. 185- papertiger
    enlist your kid in Golden Gloves

    mg (31009b)

  194. He’s not my husband, he’s my brother from another mother.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  195. I remember those times, Pinandpuller. Those were the days when there would be 10-20 million AIDS cases in the US and 300 million worldwide by 1990.

    The same guys who do climate predictions and compute the unemployment rate, no doubt.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  196. Fake news is older than we knew.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  197. The Soviets called deziformatya, every crazy notion from a govt directed JFK assassination to the origin of aids, grew from there.

    narciso (1f85b1)

  198. @194 narciso

    I keep hearing second hand about Milo on Rogan’s podcast but I don’t know the deelio. I listen to most of them but I don’t remember anything jumping out of that one. His #911 podcast was with Alex Jones so take it with a grain of DMT.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  199. The point is, you don’t expect serious philosophical issues with the repair guy from news radio.

    narciso (d1f714)

  200. So, moloch ‘s minions are something that must be funded.

    narciso (d1f714)

  201. Straight from the annuls of fake news – today’s edition.

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump finally delivered an unequivocal condemnation of anti-Semitism Tuesday in the wake of bomb threats against Jewish Community Centers, winning him praise even from critics.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/donald-trump-anti-semitism-criticism/index.html

    From front to back manufactured. Here’s a dollop. Mind you don’t step in it.

    Rick Santorum, a CNN senior political commentator, said he was “befuddled” over why Trump had not spoken out before.

    Maybe because jumping through hoops everytime democrat operatives invent a make believe crisis with burner phones isn’t dignified work for a grown man, former Senator Rick.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  202. That’s truly fake fake news. I watched a few minutes of Santorum’s appearance on CNN this morning. His actual comments were longer and much better that the article lets on. He mentioned the campus crusades against Israel and Arab antisemitism. In fact, he gave the answer I said Trump should have given at the press conference. The web article picked out the least important thing he said.

    kishnevi (4a421b)

  203. Judge sparks, was the one who prevented delay from being removed off the ballot in 2006, allowing for a clean election

    narciso (d1f714)

  204. Layers of fake.

    Not painting with Glidden.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  205. Fox has hired dr.death panel, Ezekiel emmanuel.

    narciso (77eab3)

  206. @201 narciso

    No one expects the Spanish Inquisition either.

    Rogan’s podcasts are usually over 2 hours long. I listen double time on my ipod.

    I would urge you to check out recent episodes with Gary Taubes and Dr Rhonda Patrick. Very interesting discussions on nutrition and longevity which everyone could benefit from. Two more you might like feature Mike Baker and James Hetfield.

    He’s no MSM but he doesn’t edit and he gets into good long conversations with his guests.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  207. Heh, point taken, I’m feeling very grodd now?

    narciso (77eab3)

  208. Actually worse than…

    Milo didn’t want to point the finger at his molester out of sentimental feeling.

    Sulu doesn’t because his molester was a stud muffin.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  209. Given Takei’s age (79), his molester might be dead by now.

    kishnevi (4a421b)

  210. What they both have in common is interesting.

    Both refused to accept themselves as victim.

    I wonder if that’s a common trait among, not famous exactly, but maybe the word is high achieving, gays?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  211. Something I learned about on the Joe Rogan Experience feat Dr Rhonda Patrick:

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  212. ug

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  213. I have the worst links, don’t I folks?

    Basically sulforaphane in a paper on the NIH website. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862133/

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  214. Grodd

    I’m more of a Marvel type guy.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  215. Sulforaphane also pulls actual pollutants like benzene out of your body, smokers and denizens of NYC, LA, etc.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  216. I see Mr. Hoft is being disingenuous. But if not, then good for him for taking Sulu to task for such a vile statement! Of course, I’ll await his call for any and all sources to drop Milo’s soon-to-be media outlet for similar statements before taking him seriously on this matter. Which I’m sure will be coming any day now… yup, any day… just like his call for Breitbart to fire Milo, which I seemed to miss. Perhaps someone has a link to that post?

    Sean (41ed1e)

  217. “I THOUGHT THE RIGHT WAS DONE WITH THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD: It was a beautiful dream. If They Take Milo down, You’re Next.”

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/02/22/if-they-take-milo-down-youre-next/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  218. It’s getting more like a leftwing circl-jerk every day.

    Good job!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  219. It’s getting more like a leftwing circl-jerk every day.

    Good job!

    At whom is this comment directed?

    Patterico (e26619)

  220. “I THOUGHT THE RIGHT WAS DONE WITH THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD: It was a beautiful dream. If They Take Milo down, You’re Next.”

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/02/22/if-they-take-milo-down-youre-next/

    What a crock of shit that is. From the allegations that this controversy is all based on deceptive editing to the justification of pedophilia and everything in between. Utter horseshit.

    Patterico (e26619)

  221. “You know ensign Sulu, in days of old ensigns performed certain favors for their Captains….”

    said Captain Kirk, just before a harmless joke went tragically wrong, leading to a lifetime of recriminations by a certain fellow actor.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  222. What a crock of shit that is. From the allegations that this controversy is all based on deceptive editing to the justification of pedophilia and everything in between. Utter horseshit.

    Patterico (e26619) — 2/21/2017 @ 10:17 pm

    If you read through the comments it gets worse. At some point a commenter takes Sarah to task pointing out this isn’t a simple case of bad editing—repeating what Milo said—and she replies with, “Yes, he did say that. And?”

    Sean (41ed1e)

  223. That’s the spirit, Pat.

    Stick to your guns. [Edit] everyone else.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  224. Anyone quoting me: I get to say bad words and you don’t — at least without waiting for your comment to be released from the filter. That’s how the filter works.

    Patterico (e26619)

  225. What was Hoyt on about the video being edited? I didn’t watch the other version.

    You already have outstanding feuds with Trumpers and Breitbart for other issues, so it’s not a stretch go open season on Milo.

    But what about Star Trek? Will it be a general engagement where you attack all perceived proponents of pedophilia upon their divulgement of circumstances in “discovering their true selves”?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  226. Personally, I think that would be too much for any one person to take on, and that it sure would have been nice to have a Milo Yiannopoulos on your side, if that were the way you aimed to go.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  227. I bet Dennie Hastert has a discovering his true self story of an intergenerational relationship that would put you off your supper for a while.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  228. Anyone quoting me: I get to say bad words and you don’t — at least without waiting for your comment to be released from the filter. That’s how the filter works.

    Patterico (e26619) — 2/21/2017 @ 10:51 pm

    My bad; sorry. I knew better, but just missed the colorful comment in the quote.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  229. http://www.salon.com/topic/virtual_pedophiles/

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=I%E2%80%99m+a+pedophile%2C+but+not+a+monster&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

    https://twitter.com/Salon/status/645930508094976000

    Use to be there, but now it’s gone.

    Hoyt links to a fella over at Instapundit who says this is linked to the attack on Yiannopoulos.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  230. “So let’s lay this thing out with a respect for truth, something the lying, self-aggrandizing media has never had as long as I’ve been alive.
    Did Milo kiddy-diddle? No. No evidence of this has ever surfaced, so far as I am aware. There are no chat logs of him discussing how he wants to rape his 8 year old cousin, such as in the case of Sarah “Butts” Nyberg. There are no accusers coming forth to say that he molested them. There are no convictions, or even court cases. Nothing. So the insinuation that he, himself, is a pedophile has no basis in fact, no evidence whatsoever. The insinuation is a subtle lie.
    Did Milo defend pedophiles? No. Evidence exists that he did the exact opposite. He has exposed multiple pedophiles in the past, including the aforementioned Nyberg. Salon, one of the publications attacking Milo for this supposed behavior, has published many articles defending pedophilia, calling it a sexual orientation (something Milo has absolutely never done). People like Meryl Streep have given standing ovations to convicted pedophiles, like Roman Polanski. Do you really think any of this is based on principle? That the media has suddenly developed a conscience when it comes to molesting children?
    They don’t care. They want Milo gone. And by extension, they want Trump gone.
    Did Milo defend the practice of pedophilia in any way? No. I’ve reviewed the unedited video [the video has since been taken down – can’t imagine why] and Milo’s response. In both, it is clearly and emphatically stated that he has no problem with the age of consent, and does not condone pedophilia. Yes, in the same video he is purported to be supporting this behavior, he denies supporting it.
    So what did Milo do wrong?
    Well, he did make a mistake. In fact, he made several mistakes. Again, let’s be honest here.
    First off, he went into too much detail about something that, quite honestly, we don’t want to know about. To be fair, part of this is his trolling, provocateur personality. But even so, most of us really don’t want to hear the gruesome details of gay sex. To be fair, I don’t want to hear the gruesome details from straight people. Folks like Lena Dunham ought to shut their yaps about this, too. But in this case, he definitely gave way too much detail. It got positively squicky.
    Second, this issue became personal for him, because he was abused at a young age. So instead of it being a far away issue he could treat more objectively, it became a matter of emotion with him. I can’t blame him for this, mind you. But this is how the Left will destroy you. They will find a weak part of your psyche and subvert it. They will make you act with emotion instead of reason, they will infuriate you, and embarrass you.
    Third, Milo apologized profusely for his poor choice of words. He should know better. There is no forgiveness to ever be had from the political Left. He did choose his words very poorly, mind you. There is no disputing that. But he should never have said I’m sorry. At best, he could have said “you know, I really shouldn’t have gone into so much gory detail, but you… you shouldn’t lie about what I said.”
    But let’s be crystal clear, because I suspect even my readers are divided on this issue: you have done or said something that can be used to assassinate your character.
    Again, for clarity: you have said things that the press could assassinate your character with. I guarantee it. Every single person reading this right now has said something which the press could twist into a knife and plunge into your gut. All of you.
    You don’t need to like Milo, or approve of his behavior. In fact, I don’t approve of some of the outlandish things he’s done. The bathing in pig blood stunt was just weird.
    Rather, what you need to realize is that the press is striking back against Donald Trump right now. It’s another Alinsky tactic. Three Alinsky rules are pertinent here:”

    Read the whole thing: http://thedeclination.com/the-media-strikes-back-milo-lies-and-videotape/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  231. “First, the media perused Milo’s work for a potential hot issue. The video in question was published on January 4, 2016. So they poured through his material looking for a hit piece, just like journalists drove all the way out to the sticks to find a pizza shop that didn’t want to cater a hypothetical gay wedding, in order to serve a narrative. They found a hot issue, and made it hot enough that Milo had to respond. Step one.
    For step two, they went to the conservative right, who are largely Christian, and spun this story in a way to disgust them as much as possible. Like I said, they can do this to every single person reading my blog. Have you ever said something hasty to someone? Ever written anything controversial? Anyway, the media put pressure on the right to drop him, because, they say, here is a guy who doesn’t live up to your standards. Make it so the right destroys Milo. Then the media can wash its hands of the character assassination.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  232. It’s not that he said something squicky but that he advocated for illegal underage relationships between grown men and 13/14/15 year olds as something that can be good for both parties. But then the outrage that followed didn’t happen when he said it only when CPAC decided, haphazzardly, to give a man with those views a platform at their conference. If this was a coordinated effort against Milo, and a larger move against Trump, this information would have been dropped much sooner when Milo was grabbing headlines for his campus tour.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  233. “Now, in the larger picture, this is part of an effort to destroy Donald Trump. You see, the media has finally learned that Donald Trump can’t be destroyed via conventional media tactics. He has been dealing with them since the late 70s, he knows them, and he never backs down. He is a hardened target. They’ve tried frontal assaults, they’ve tried siege tactics, they tried to sneak in the back door, and nothing has worked.
    This attack is the first smart thing they’ve done since the election.
    But they can still isolate him by destroying all of his prominent supporters, one-by-one. The supporters are less hardened to media blitz than he is. And if his support dries up, his administration will be a fortress cutoff from the countryside. They can starve his administration and regain power in 2018 and 2020. Especially, it should be noted, if they manage to drive a wedge in the right wing in the meantime.
    If Milo had diddled kids, I’d drop him immediately. If Milo defended kiddy diddlers, I’d drop him immediately. No evidence of either has been put forward. All we have is a hit piece constructed of cherry-picked quotes from an old video. Now, again, honesty here. I do think he made several mistakes here (but he’s human, it’s going to happen). But is it really worth throwing him to the wolves for? Think about that very carefully, and know that you could be next. No, not could be, will be. If the media succeeds with this, they will keep doing it.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  234. “The hateful left, whose most effective weapon is character assassination, has created a gotcha culture for conservatives, and conservatives can be counted on to fold every time. Barney Frank had a prostitution ring operating out of his house and masturbated into the president’s locker in the Capitol gym. But that didn’t prevent him from becoming the architect of the incredibly destructive Dodd-Frank bill and the subprime mortgage crisis, because Democrats protected him and never broke ranks.

    Milo is indisputably the most effective conservative on campus battling the anti-American, identity-obsessed, racist left. He is a victim of sexual abuse himself, which entails confusion on these issues. That conservatives would abandon him – throw him to the wolves – tells you everything you need to know about why the left dominates the national culture and thus the political culture which is downstream from it.”

    — David Horowitz

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  235. So David Horowitz’s position is that we need to excuse Milo’s advocacy of man-boy relationships because the left does it?

    Sean (41ed1e)

  236. Milo’s been as destroyed as realistically possible Mr. Sean unless Reagan’s Butt-Brigade wants to incite actual violence on him

    meanwhile Mr. Colonel is right that it’s wise to take stock of the viciousness and the coarse brutality that marked this campaign

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  237. Viciousness and coarse brutality? “Coarse” is the only one you got right, and no coarse word was said about Milo that had not already been said, much more coarsely, many more times, by him.

    nk (dbc370)

  238. nevertheless

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  239. Nevertheless … yes. The fox is a dirty, sneaky, cowardly, chicken-stealing varmint (and it smells bad too). But when you see a pack of hounds chasing it, it’s only human to have sympathy for it.

    nk (dbc370)

  240. I love how a weirdo whose only accomplishment is trolling people can post a video on youtube where he advocates sex between kids and adults, and there are people saying he’s somehow a victim of a conspiracy (apparently the Reagan Brigade via Evan McMullin via the establishment).

    I guess if Trump shoots a guy dead on Park Avenue, those seeking impeachment will be accused of finding out about this murder via opposition research in order to employ lefty tactics like criticizing something.

    It’s called free speech Trump fans. The folks in power face more criticism because of this responsibility thing. Milo wasn’t up to the task of the national stage. It is a real blessing that this was discovered before CPAC and not after.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  241. yeah you love it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  242. Yes, colonel, you’ve to the nib of it, milo came to memories defense as he rallied in support after Orlando. After Boston one realizes any blue constituency is deemed expendable except one.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/politico/status/834385262897745920

    Probably looked to much like their own policy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  243. You mean like the thousands of times, Twitter has called for the murder of the huntress and other oubliv officials how rank advocacy fir Al queda is rampant, but memories can’t have a go fund me page, like that?

    narciso (d1f714)

  244. So the net result if this, is there will fewer rebels wiling to challenge left orthodoxy on campus, or to defend Christians when they are under attack, how should that be a right tenet.

    narciso (d1f714)

  245. How does “I would not give such good head if I had not been taught how at age thirteen by a grown man” challenge left orthodoxy on campus and defends Christians when they are under attack?

    nk (dbc370)

  246. Milo was a crutch for Trumpkins, saying things they believed but weren’t brave/stupid enough to say themselves. It’s understandable to see so many people whining about having their crutch kicked out from under them.

    Leviticus (c2dcf8)

  247. Ah the squire of Albuquerque, chase any armadillos lately

    narciso (d1f714)

  248. This little two minute hate, serves the interests of say chip barbour and tom Ross, fmr macho grande party chair just fine

    narciso (d1f714)

  249. oh great now Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade be kicking out crutches on peoples?

    this just gets better and better

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  250. Its a rickety metaphor, although probably prefereted blunt man, whose seeming sucees was putting new Mexico in red queen’s corner, fwiw.

    narciso (d1f714)

  251. Meanwhile are we ever going to get around to this”

    heavy.com/news/2016/05/gail-heriot-zoe-lofgren-transgender-debate-video-bigot

    narciso (d1f714)

  252. Narciso, Milo wasn’t the only one outspoken on the topic of academic free speech and bias on campus. Many of us remain and make progress on that front daily, all without the bomb throwing and advocacy of NAMBLA talking points.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  253. The monolithic Left is against guns, except in the case of the Right, for which they will provide .45s, unlimited bullets and free admission to a stadium-sized venues for the Monster Self-Inflicted Shootout Rallies.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  254. Teh McMuffin Brigade faction of #NeverTrump…

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  255. Horowitz is not right, he’s falling for a logical fallacy:

    “In The Washington Times Monday, Wesley Pruden […] addressed the controversy surrounding Milo Yiannopoulos’ recent podcast comments that seemed to condone gay sex between underage teen boys and older men. In the wake of that firestorm, the gay libertarian gadfly Milo posted statements unequivocally denouncing pedophilia and apologizing for treating the subject flippantly.”

    Milo denouncing pedophilla is not the same as Milo denouncing his support for pederasty. And people who continue to make this case are either idiots or disingenuous. Again, the example I used before is like listening to a cigar smoker denounce cigarette smoking to prove his non-smoker status. Furthermore, this wasn’t a situation of someone making a politically incorrect statement and being thrown to the wolves, but someone advocating an illegal—and what most see as immoral—act.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  256. Let’s see… who has a history of fighting the Left tooth and nail, no holds barred for several decades now… David Horowitz or an anonymous keyboard kommando?

    Horowitz in a landslide.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  257. Colonel, you are exactly right.

    It’s why I will continue to support Milo against this witch hunt. The left will always try to hold our standards against us and to divide and conquer.

    Has Milo advocated lowering the age of consent anywhere? Has he molested anyone? Has he does anything other than constantly deconstruct the left and weaken their power over our young?

    NJRob (43d957)

  258. Its probably an elective at berkeley, a few years ago milo was an it student till he came upon the gamergate witchhunt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  259. Milo denouncing pedophilla is not the same as Milo denouncing his support for pederasty. And people who continue to make this case are either idiots or disingenuous. Again, the example I used before is like listening to a cigar smoker denounce cigarette smoking to prove his non-smoker status. Furthermore, this wasn’t a situation of someone making a politically incorrect statement and being thrown to the wolves, but someone advocating an illegal—and what most see as immoral—act.

    Sean (41ed1e) — 2/22/2017 @ 6:58 am

    You continue to ignore him saying the age of consent is correct.

    He was defending his own experiences and you are trying to destroy him for it. We know why. We know where you stand.

    NJRob (43d957)

  260. Have yes nor leArned when the wurlitzer says something is an outarge, it isn’t and Versace vice.

    narciso (d1f714)

  261. And McMuffin is a leftist. He tried to get Hillary elected.

    NJRob (43d957)

  262. Well I considered him merely a fool, but he’s graduating to knave status.

    narciso (d1f714)

  263. Let’s see… who has a history of fighting the Left tooth and nail, no holds barred for several decades now… David Horowitz or an anonymous keyboard kommando?

    Horowitz in a landslide.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:05 am

    So, past deeds protect someone from ever being wrong? Interesting position.

    You continue to ignore him saying the age of consent is correct.

    He was defending his own experiences and you are trying to destroy him for it. We know why. We know where you stand.

    NJRob (43d957) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:08 am

    Again, you’re missing what was actually said by Milo, just like those claiming he’s not a pedophile but failing to make the distinction between Milo’s own definition of “children” and “pedophilia” and his actual support for pederasty. Milo said he thinks the age of consent is about right, but then also claims that his advocacy for these relationships hinges on his definition of consent. He doesn’t come out and rail against the practice, he supported it. He didn’t apologize for his position, he moved the goal posts. He isn’t saying the age of consent is concrete, he thinks it should be fluid on a case-by-case basis.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  264. A media witch hunt done by people (assisted by their enablers) who care very little for children.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  265. Trump Rules Of Lying Liars
    Rule 1: Keep repeating the lie until people are tired of calling you out on it.
    Rule 2: Constantly flap your lip so your own noise will drown out the stupid things you say.

    I think I will make this a meme.

    nk (dbc370)

  266. It’s why I will continue to support Milo against this witch hunt. The left will always try to hold our standards against us and to divide and conquer.

    Has Milo advocated lowering the age of consent anywhere? Has he molested anyone? Has he does anything other than constantly deconstruct the left and weaken their power over our young?

    NJRob (43d957) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:06 am

    This is hardly a witch hunt. The outrage concerning Milo was initially directed not at him but at CPAC. That anger achieved its goal of a disinvite. S&S dropped Milo’s book on their own, without outside influence of a mob, and Milo resigned from Breitbart by his own choice. Furthermore, using the phase “witch hunt” denotes that you believe Milo did nothing wrong. I have a hard time believing that so many on the right agree with NAMBLA talking points and support a shifting age of consent based on an arbitrary criteria of “maturity.”

    Milo certainly put forth his belief that the age of consent, while may be proper, should be fluid on a case-by-case basis. Of course we have no evidence that he molested anyone, no one said he did, but nice straw man. And sure his schtick is entertaining and provokes the violent left, but he hardly considers himself a Conservative, and his bomb throwing tactics don’t serve to do anything but divide. You might think that is helpful, but I have my doubts.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  267. But care a lot about furthering their agenda and de-legitimizing the new administration.

    I’ve followed and read Horowitz for many years. I’ve read Sean’s opinions for the relatively short period of time he has frequented this site and have disagreed with his take much more often than not. This follows that pattern.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  268. A media witch hunt done by people (assisted by their enablers) who care very little for children.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:28 am

    Person A – I think consent for a sexual relationship with a grown man can be given by a 13 year old, depending on the circumstances.

    Person B – That’s abhorrent and since you feel that way you can’t use our platform.

    Person C – Person B hates children and is trying to burn Person A at the stake.

    Person A – Hey I don’t support sex with children (under 13), stop railroading me!

    Does that pretty much summarize your position?

    Sean (c29b8e)

  269. The outrage concerning Milo was initially directed not at him but at CPAC. That anger achieved its goal of a disinvite. S&S dropped Milo’s book on their own, without outside influence of a mob, and Milo resigned from Breitbart by his own choice.

    that’s not a smart observation I don’t think cause of how it’s not a very smart observation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  270. I’ve followed and read Horowitz for many years. I’ve read Sean’s opinions for the relatively short period of time he has frequented this site and have disagreed with his take much more often than not. This follows that pattern.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:34 am

    I’m flattered Col.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  271. that’s not a smart observation I don’t think cause of how it’s not a very smart observation

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:36 am

    The comparison has been made that Milo was targeted like the left targets the right, so where is the evidence that S&S was pressured by a coordinated attack like the boycotts we see on the left (StopRush, etc.)? Was Breitbart (other than 6 unnamed employees that threatened to leave; and working at Breitbart I’d hardly consider them part of the vast #NeverTrump movement)?

    Sean (c29b8e)

  272. Some of what the guy says is highly objectionable. He was sloppy, flippant and controversial when speaking of that subject matter. So what?

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  273. Sean,

    you’re flat out wrong. Milo has elevated himself in the popular culture. You claim this only started with CPAC, ignoring Berkeley and other colleges where he’s been attacked because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

    But that’s no surprise. You’d rather be perfect and lose in fabulous glory than win and have to lead.

    Just stay in the back and let the people with guts do the job.

    NJRob (43d957)

  274. Tell y’all what, you show me where Milo apologized for his support of a shifting age of consent on a case-by-case basis for boys ages 13-15, and provide evidence that S&S and Breitbart were pressured to drop Milo like the left pressures groups to drop Conservatives for a “misspeak” (which this wasn’t, but I digress) and I’ll be the bigger man and apologize. In the meantime, I need some coffee.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  275. I’ll wear that badge proudly, Sean. You’ve been acting and writing like you’ve been shortchanged since you appeared here.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  276. They needed only one pressure point, Cpac being a top man leadership outfit, they yielded quickly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. The comparison has been made that Milo was targeted like the left targets the right, so where is the evidence that S&S was pressured by a coordinated attack like the boycotts we see on the left (StopRush, etc.)? Was Breitbart (other than 6 unnamed employees that threatened to leave; and working at Breitbart I’d hardly consider them part of the vast #NeverTrump movement)?

    Sean (c29b8e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:38 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/critics-threaten-boycotts-of-simon-schuster-over-milo-yiannopoulos-book-deal_us_5866748ce4b0de3a08f8031c

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2017/01/should_simon_schuster_be_publishing_milo_yiannopoulos_book_a_slate_debate.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/04/simon-schuster-alt-right-hate-breitbart-milo-yiannopoulos

    And on and on.

    I won’t “link” because Patterico puts 2 or more links in spam.

    NJRob (43d957)

  278. Hmm. Didn’t go to spam and I didn’t use the link button. I’m shocked. What’s changed in the code?

    NJRob (43d957)

  279. yeah his mouth got ahead of his brain for sure Mr. Colonel but if you watch the whole segment not just the excerpts he reels himself back in

    Mr. Sean common sense says two things

    #1 If it were as big an effing deal as Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade played it up to be then it would have been noted at the time the podcast occurred.

    #2 If it were as big an effing deal as Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade played it up to be then it wouldn’t have needed to edit in the image of someone’s four-year-old kid.

    But it’s easy to play people who want to be played.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  280. So you abawrted your own question

    narciso (d1f714)

  281. Waiting for your apology unless you’ll use the cop out that I must find examples of every claim you wanted since you used “And” instead of “or.”

    Your call.

    NJRob (43d957)

  282. i too need coffee

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  283. Some of what the guy says is highly objectionable. He was sloppy, flippant and controversial when speaking of that subject matter. So what?

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:39 am

    Yet he hasn’t retracted those statements, and instead has shifted the focus to pedophilia, which even I admit he isn’t guilty of advocating. But I have a feeling Milo’s past actions and perception as a rogue warrior against liberal academia is more important to some of you than his support for underage sexual relationships. He must be protected, so we’ll overlook his statements on man-boy love. It’s not that his statement was controversial, it’s that it’s abhorrent to the majority of this country—but then again after this week I’m beginning to think many of you just think it’s on par with gay marriage at this point.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  284. And on and on.

    I won’t “link” because Patterico puts 2 or more links in spam.

    NJRob (43d957) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:45 am

    Wow, liberal outlets upset at Milo’s book months before the CPAC explosion. That is your evidence of a coordinated attack by the right? The Guardian and HuffPo?

    Come on man.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  285. you’re flat out wrong. Milo has elevated himself in the popular culture. You claim this only started with CPAC, ignoring Berkeley and other colleges where he’s been attacked because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

    But that’s no surprise. You’d rather be perfect and lose in fabulous glory than win and have to lead.

    Just stay in the back and let the people with guts do the job.

    NJRob (43d957) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:42 am

    Last time I checked, the right wasn’t burning generators and throwing rocks through windows at Berkley.

    Sean (c29b8e)

  286. Tell y’all what, you show me where Milo apologized for his support of a shifting age of consent on a case-by-case basis for boys ages 13-15, and provide evidence that S&S and Breitbart were pressured to drop Milo like the left pressures groups to drop Conservatives for a “misspeak” (which this wasn’t, but I digress) and I’ll be the bigger man and apologize. In the meantime, I need some coffee.

    Sean (c29b8e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:42 am

    BTW,

    here’s Milo saying that he doesn’t approve of the sex you claim he does.

    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/21/milo-apologizes/

    So I expect the full apology.

    NJRob (43d957)

  287. You didn’t say that you wanted examples of the “right” pressuring S&S so don’t start backpedaling now.

    Be a man.

    NJRob (43d957)

  288. P.S.

    There is no such thing as gay marriage. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman in holy matrimony. Everything else is play acting.

    NJRob (43d957)

  289. Eggamuffin jackals put $250K into oppo research and PIs…

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  290. Eggamuffin jackals put $250K into oppo research and PIs…

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:55 am

    Money that could’ve gone into defeating the left, but we know that isn’t their real goal.

    NJRob (43d957)

  291. NJRob, I’ll concede he brought up 13-year olds in his statement, but Milo chose his words very carefully:

    “I do not believe sex with 13-year-olds is okay. When I mentioned the number 13, I was talking about myself, and the age I lost my own virginity,”

    In the following except, while he may be drawing on his past experiences, it’s clear he’s advocating a position that such relationships can be a positive, and if you watch the podcast it’s hardly an example of gallows or British humour:

    PaulsEgo: OK, OK, fine. I retract my statement, Milo. I retract my statement. I shan’t slander you further. But you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?

    Yiannopoulos: Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  292. Even if this were a manufactured controversy – and it is not – this guy has made his career off of manufactured controversy. Live by manufactured controversy, die by manufactured controversy.

    Let’s remember something important: this guy is not important.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  293. You didn’t say that you wanted examples of the “right” pressuring S&S so don’t start backpedaling now.

    Be a man.

    NJRob (43d957) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:52 am

    Please re-read the back and forth, the discussion was that Milo was being railroaded and thrown to the wolves by the right. I said show me examples of this like the left does to Conservatives, not show me examples of the left hating on Milo—those are plentiful and have nothing to do with this topic.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  294. This was a manufactured crisis To silence someone who had raised real concerns about thought police in media and academia.

    narciso (d1f714)

  295. Look, I’m on edge, and some of you are probably laughing at me, but let me confess something to you. When your life has been touch by sexual abuse, you don’t take these sort of comments lightly, and you know to identify the type of person who weasels their way out by justifying their actions to themselves and others through careful wordplay.

    I apologize for going off the deep end and will now go devote my time today to something more productive.

    Sean (41ed1e)

  296. Sean, you gotta remember that the phrase “If they’re big enough, they’re old enough” originated, and is most commonly heard, in the places where Trump got his biggest support.

    nk (dbc370)

  297. The Reagan Battalion has a curious background that may be linked to Marco Rubio or even the Democrats.

    Also, at this website, 5 or more links in the same comment will trigger the filter. Comments with 1-4 links should be fine.

    DRJ (15874d)

  298. Although, with those people, you can’t be sure if what they’re talking about is not their coonhound pups.

    nk (dbc370)

  299. “This was a manufactured crisis To silence someone who had raised real concerns about thought police in media and academia.”

    – narciso

    No. It was a self-important provacateur crossing the line and being punished by the market.

    The only “crisis” here is in the minds of those who lost their crutch.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  300. Milo explicitly provided that consent from quote “young boys” makes sex with quote “older men” “hugely positive”. This is horrible.

    Sean, you’ve not gone off the deep end. Trump has this group of fans who insult people and deflect endlessly. There is absolutely no way to penetrate them with reason, the only weapon a reasonable person on an internet discussion board is armed with. Haiku, NJRob, and Narciso did not reason themselves into defending raping children. They feel in their paranoid hearts that their bitter enemy, the evil “nevertrumper” (aka conservatives who are beyond partisanship) somehow created this situation.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  301. And for all those crying for poor Milo, remember he’s used internet outrage mobs to hurt real people. He’s hateful and totally unsympathetic. His arrogance blinded him to personal accountability and he tried to shock us a little more than he could have. What’s sad is that we didn’t shun him far sooner because we as a society are so partisan.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  302. i agree with Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  303. “Raping children”… mondo straw man appears…

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  304. maybe we could all go out to lunch with Milo and talk this out over salade niçoise

    once you talk to him face to face you’d feel a lot better about everything is my guess

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  305. Ross Douthat summed it up in one line. For the Milo (indeed, Trump) supporters “…indecency in the service of attacking liberalism is no vice.”

    This is what it’s all about for them. There are two and only two sides: you’re either with us or you’re with them. If you’re with us then what you say and how you say it doesn’t matter.

    But as Douthat explained, the only remaining “conservative” social value – adults cannot prey on children – was crossed.

    Milo was done in by Milo’s own words.

    SteveMG (ea62d2)

  306. Good posts, narciso and NJRob. You’ve awakened teh Hillary voter who normally avoids sunlight.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  307. I am sure Milo needs therapy and is himself a victim in a cycle of evil. That’s why the concept of personal responsibility is so necessary.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  308. Always trust NYT content!

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  309. Dustin,

    since you have gone fully down the rabbit hole, I won’t bother with you anymore other than to say you’re attacking two of the best commenters here in Narciso and Haiku. You are also deliberately libeling myself and them by claiming we are defending raping children. I would love to ask Patterico where that stands in a court of law.

    If I met you in person and you didn’t apologize for that libel, I’d slug you in the face. GFY.

    NJRob (43d957)

  310. there were nobody preyed on Mr. MG

    you and Mr. Douthat are being like super-reductive

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  311. Not a strawman, Haiku.

    Hey, yesterday when you started engaging me again, your first comment was a vague comment about deporting someone to Iran, yet it was a response to me. Funny how becoming the Alt-Right has made you a bolder little racist troll, kinda like your hero, Milo, the guy who advocates raping children who cannot actually consent to this “hugely positive” sex with older men.

    Keep on defending it if you want. Keep on doing that weird thing you do where you cheerlead other commenters and copypasta without adding any reasoning to any discussion. You are not beyond forgiveness. All you have to do is, yet again, apologize to me for being such a nasty little twerp.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  312. Whatever. Buh-bye, “Milo.” Don’t let the the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  313. NJRob,

    I am delighted to have gotten in your head. I will stay in this rabbit hole of mine where degenerates who advocate the “hugely positive” sex between “young boys” and “older men” are deeply wrong. It feels kinda like I’m right.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  314. Mr. Dustin you just trying to antagonize Mr. Rob on purpose now

    that’s no good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  315. Dustin,

    you’re just the cyber punk that you accuse others of being. Nothing more. Nothing less. You’re a wannabe. A poseur. A fraud.

    GFY.

    NJRob (43d957)

  316. Leviticus is happy to shutdown someone who speaks out against the left and their totalitarian control of our education system. Color me shocked. Not.

    NJRob (43d957)

  317. Are any of the Trumpkins concerned that “Milo” – who is himself a (relatively) older man, at this point – might be interested in or involved in some “life-affirming, important, shaping, hugely positive experiences” with some younger boys?

    Provided they’re consensual, of course? Not saying he is, but his views on the subject raise a legitimate question.

    Thoughts?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  318. I didn’t shut anybody down, NJRob. I don’t give two sh*ts about “Milo.” He’s not important. The way to handle trolls is to ignore them.

    You’re grievance re: this “shutdown” is with CPAC, Breitbart, and Simon & Shuster. I suggest you write them an angry letter.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  319. i still think my observations at #284 are very cogent and also very much unrefuted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  320. Leviticus at 323 raised a salient point – I think CPAC the gathering would not want the reputation of being a Backpage haven for such types of relationships, particularly if Milo had such urges and acted upon them while there (no evidence thus far on either assertion, but the risk may have been to great). And yes, Pizza Hut should drop Takei – a large promotion of theirs is the free personal pan pizza for book readers and this gives the brand recognition in more schools than most other pizza chains.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  321. Day One: “Milo didn’t say what you people say he did.”

    Day Two: Milo apologizes for what he said.

    Day Three: “Milo didn’t say what you people say he did.”

    SteveMG (ea62d2)

  322. reductive

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  323. here is the first Pizza Hut ever invented

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  324. If I met you in person and you didn’t apologize for that libel, I’d slug you in the face. GFY.

    NJRob (

    Internet tough guy! Cringe! Even laughing at you feels wrong.

    I would be proud to get my ass kicked for condemning child molestation. Wild guess here, but I think the sort of person who acts that way on the internet is not actually that familiar with kicking people’s asses. I do not consider beating people up, or threatening to beat people up, to be the sort of argument the ‘winning side’ of a debate tends to offer.

    Reconsider why you’re so angry with me. Maybe my words upset you because I’ve made a point that frustrates you to try to ‘defeat’. Maybe you should consider that I have a point, and instead of fighting reason, be big enough to change your heart. Instead of mocking Sean’s manhood and saying you’ll slug my face, you might be happier if you admit that hey, this Milo guy’s viewpoint really is terrible and it doesn’t mean your political goals are wrong just because one of its loudest adherents has terrible views about children and sex.

    Maybe I’m right and maybe you’re wrong. Before you threaten to hurt people because you were exposed to some words on the internet, consider all those times you’ve condemned the people who threatened Milo with violence because of his views.

    You’ve twisted yourself up and I think that’s because you know better.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  325. Sean (41ed1e) — 2/22/2017 @ 5:00 am

    the outrage that followed didn’t happen when he said it only when CPAC decided, haphazzardly, to give a man with those views a platform at their conference. If this was a coordinated effort against Milo, and a larger move against Trump, this information would have been dropped much sooner when Milo was grabbing headlines for his campus tour.

    They didn’t want to get rid of Milo for his own sake. They didn’t want to get rid of people who say that, just like there’s been a change in the attitude toward some other things, the latest transgenderism, so there will be and should be a change with regard to some relationships that the world puts into the category of pedophilia – that’s next. According to Dystopic, Salon published some stuff somewhat like that in 2015 or so – but carefully deleted it right before attacking Milo for it.

    They wanted to punish (and exclude) Milo for more acceptable things. The protests on the college campuses were not about that. When Milo started to get some defenders allies, then they exposed it, to rid him of defenders; but on college campuses the lesson will not be that you don’t defend pedophilia – the lesson will be that you don’t defend Donald Trump.

    citing things that conservatives wouldn’t like, but that they either didn’t want to be the point, or didn’t care about.

    what’s commonly called pedophilia. Slate i there;s nothing wrong with

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  326. You are also deliberately libeling myself and them by claiming we are defending raping children. I would love to ask Patterico where that stands in a court of law.

    Since he’s not calling you by name (unless you are the only Rob in the state of New Jersey, which I highly doubt), and to the best of my knowledge no one here knows your real identity, I don’t know how you could possibly claim you are being libeled. Defaming a nameless character on the internet isn’t actually defaming you.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  327. They got Milo rejected by CPAC by citing things that conservatives (especially) wouldn’t like. Milo had defended some examples of what’s commonly called (but not by him) pedophilia (he has his own definition) and said there’s nothing wrong with it, and there wasn’t when it happened to him. (We’d disagree) But they either didn’t want that to be the point, or didn’t care about it.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  328. Sammy, I believe you’re right. Milo’s inherent weakness, which he brought on himself by broadcasting to hundreds of thousands of people how “hugely positive” sex between young boys and older men is, was exploited by the very people Milo struggled mightily to piss off. This is why you have to be careful when you praise trolling as a tactic. Yeah, partisans on either side love to see the other side bashed and offended, and the left sure didn’t like all the women/muslim/academia bashing. That doesn’t mean the troll doing the bashing is automatically a good guy.

    In fact, my experience with politics has led me to be extremely suspicious of those who engage in gimmicks of any kind. They are often just hustlers.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  329. Damn it Chuck Bartowski (if that isn’t your real name)! As long as you’re not the only Chuck Bartowski, I’m half-inclined to punch you right in the schnoz for having the temerity to question NJRob’s legal analysis so brusquely.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  330. Mr. Dustin you know darn well if you met Mr. Milo you’d be all let’s take a selfie

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  331. “In fact, my experience with politics has led me to be extremely suspicious of those who engage in gimmicks of any kind. They are often just hustlers.”

    – Dustin

    Whaaaaaaatt?? Why would Milo’s crying over the loss of his $250k book advance and his promise of a forthcoming “media venture” make you think he was just a hustler??

    Leviticus (efada1)

  332. NJRob… same advice as was given to Harkin. Trolls are not worth the time or effort.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  333. what makes you think Milo lost his advance?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  334. Chuck, that’s a good point.

    Also he shouldn’t be so quick to be litigious as he threatens people.

    Still, let’s look at what I said. NJRob has in fact offered a wide variety of defenses to Milo’s argument that sex between young boys and older men (also known as per se rape) is positive. He has offered personal insults to those criticizing it. He has offered a lot of wordplay stuff about whether this hinged on consent. He’s insisted that we can’t prove Milo personally raped any children. He’s said “Has [Milo] does (SP) anything other than constantly deconstruct the left and weaken their power over our young?”

    That last is his favorite defense. Deflection. Milo’s comments are to be defended because he is an opponent of the left, and the left is bad for kids. NJRob likes to dismiss any data as of the left.

    These are, in fact, defenses in direct response to many of the commenters here arguing that Milo’s child rape advocacy is indefensibly wrong. And I think NJRob’s style of argument, deflection, threats, criticisms of the manhood of folks, are good indications that child rape is indefensible no matter how zealous the defender.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  335. happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:47 am

    #1 If it were as big an effing deal as Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade played it up to be then it would have been noted at the time the podcast occurred.

    It frequently happens that a lot of things don’t get noticed. But also, anyway the people who publicized it didn’t care about pedophilia or defenders of pedophilia.
    They cared about ostracizing people who contradicted them on more mainstream political issues.

    The whole point is not to normalize Donald Trump, and push him, and anyone who would defend him, out of the Overton window, at least in California. Having ostracized him from Berkeley, California on hate speech grounds, they wanted to maintain the ostracism, and make it uniersal, although they had to use an example of him failing to hate what everybody else does to do it.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  336. Douthat, whose Atlantic blog was fouled by trolls, was the one who tried to fond excuses for Rotnerdam who was silent when Kevin Jennings made policy, do a pence for his thoughts.

    There’s been a whole lot of chasing squirrels lately, over here.

    narciso (d1f714)

  337. Mr. Dustin you know darn well if you met Mr. Milo you’d be all let’s take a selfie

    happyfeet

    I don’t think it’s appropriate to stand in the mugshot with the bad guy.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  338. interesting point Mr. F

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  339. I would want to be in a body condom if I was within a 100 feet of Milo.

    mg (31009b)

  340. There wAS no definitive evidence that the Russians penetrated the Dec network, there was no evidence about the allegations in the dossier, the immigration pays eon is constitutionally sound, albeit very narrowly tailored for our purposes.

    narciso (d1f714)

  341. C-PAC thing is done. What was done is done. Those who think it was a raw deal that best served the Left can continue to enjoy him shaking things up and his pushing back against PC and the ongoing culture war/dismal tide. Those who lick the boots of the Left and acquiesce to the Left’s delegitimization of all but how the Left sees things can continue doing that.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  342. there’s no such thing as body condom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  343. Of course its done, but unlike the weatherman in ground hog we don’t want to be caught unawares again and again,

    narciso (d1f714)

  344. “what makes you think Milo lost his advance?”

    – happyfeet

    Good point. I’m not sure he lost his advance. I’ll rephrase: “the loss of future earnings for serving as a crutch for Trumpkins, saying things they believed but weren’t brave/stupid enough to say themselves.”

    Leviticus (efada1)

  345. I agree with happyfeet that this is fascinating analysis Sammy.

    That Milo would be written off as unacceptable, immediately upon viewing this interview, is obvious. It’s not just the left that has said he was unacceptable. CPAC, which is literally the right wing, wrote Milo off for statements Milo freely gave. So of course the left would happily use this powerful footage. But not just the left. The right did too. Unless we’re going to say that CPAC is part of a left wing conspiracy, which is like saying up is down.

    I would say Trump’s Alt Right should pick better heroes, but I strongly want the alt-right to fail. I want a country based on equality before the law. Classic liberalism. Not nationalism. Not xenophobia. Not outrage at the left, our brothers and fellow citizens.

    The left has its outraged element and the right has its. These guys are nuts! NEVER HILLARY NEVER TRUMP AAARRRGGGHHH. This stuff is not healthy. So unhealthy the comment “vote your conscience” got boos!

    The lesson Trump’s fans should take is that pizzazz is temporary. It’s shallow. Scratch the surface and maybe there’s something awful. But principles and virtue? Explaining WHY limited government and WHY morals… that’s lasting. And harder and slower to build because you have to use reason instead of feelings. Hell, even the word “virtue” is pejorative to many!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  346. It frequently happens that a lot of things don’t get noticed.

    I don’t agree with this

    this wasn’t a dancing bear thing

    the people what were engaged in the original podcasts – what were engaged through the entirety of the segment – the hosts and the audience

    they quite evidently thought the discussion was in-bounds and not tendentiously characterizable as as Mr. Dustin and the Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade characterize it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  347. ugh

    they quite evidently thought the discussion was in-bounds and not *as tendentiously characterizable as* Mr. Dustin and the Reagan’s Black Bloc Butt-Brigade characterize it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  348. 339. happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/22/2017 @ 9:22 am

    what makes you think Milo lost his advance?

    Me, I wasn’t so sure they had it right, but that’s what the news reports said. I checked it out now, and…well, actually this is another story that just assumes it.

    It’s only in the headline. Maybe they didn’t pay him the $250,000 yet. Or there could be a morals clause in the contract.

    http://highlighthollywood.com/2017/02/racist-milo-yiannopoulos-loses-book-deal-has-to-return-250k-advance-may-lose-al-right-job-at-breitbart-for-pro-pedophile-comments/

    It’s hilarious, the racist white supremacist, anti-Semitic firebrand is a favorite of the Republican right wing and Southern US racists. But, now he’s going down! Karma is real, and Trump will also collapse soon as well. Milo Yiannopoulos’ book, planned amidst a series of protested campus appearances, has been canceled.

    The Breitbart editor had signed a $250,000 book deal in December with Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, but the publisher announced on Monday that it halted plans for the book, Dangerous. Yiannopoulos confirmed the news on Facebook, saying simply, “They canceled my book.”

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  349. Colonel you are correct.

    I’ll just ignore the Hillary voters and supporters from now on

    NJRob (42c6b6)

  350. I do think someone’s statements can be characterized by what they say, happyfeet. Words mean things.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  351. Whatever, feets. The free market has spoken. Milo is officially bad for business. The lil’ contrarian.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  352. yeah i think they walk away from their advance if they cancel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  353. You are never getting over macho grande, why did scahill stay away from mashers show, because the front man for the attack on all military contractors not only backwater, didn’t want the narrative chaklenfepged re the left and the iskanists

    narciso (d1f714)

  354. Milo’s got a tough road to how that’s for sure Mr. Leviticus

    but I’m guessing he’ll play out kinda like how Sarah Palin did

    he’ll find his niche

    there’s a place for Milo

    somewhere a place for Milo

    peace and quiet and open air

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  355. ugh… *hoe* i mean

    my new kb’s supposed to get here today i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  356. You would do well to do so, NJRob.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  357. You mean like Paula dean, after that manufactured slight, or ivanka trump after the nordstrom kerfluffle, by contrast how has it gone with macys

    narciso (d1f714)

  358. I still didn’t find something that specifically says he had to return his advance, although it seems to be assumed.

    I found something interesting on what turns out to be al Jazeera. It says an author named Roxane Gay had cancelled her book deal with them, and she is still not going to return to Simon and Shuster, saying they were all right with his racist and xenophobic and sexist ideologies, and his transphobia, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, and only drew the line at pedophilia/pederasty for business reasons.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/simon-schuster-cancels-milo-yiannopoulos-book-170221045200392.html

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  359. Douthat is insufficiently pure of ideology – he said something or did something before that wasn’t correct – therefore whatever he says for now and forever must be dismissed.

    Even if what he says now makes sense, is sound, and is correct.

    SteveMG (ea62d2)

  360. You are never getting over macho grande, why did scahill stay away from mashers show, because the front man for the attack on all military contractors not only backwater, didn’t want the narrative chaklenfepged re the left and the iskanists

    narciso

    I’m picturing this scrawled on a pizza box with ketchup, in the arms of a dude with no teeth, tossing rocks at cars and demanding cigarettes.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  361. It may just be their wettest dream, Sammeh.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  362. yes yes Paula Deen’s a good example too

    or even that guy with the testicular cancer what was married to Drew Barrymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  363. I’ll just ignore the Hillary voters and supporters from now on

    NJRob

    If you condemn raping children, that’s “Hillary support”

    Support in what way? Well, the election is long over so it’s not actually helping her at all. She’s irrelevant to this conversation. But it’s Hillary support because the only way to defend this mess is the dumbest “binary” partisanship. We have to beat Hillary and her horrible Hillary stuff, therefore if you make an issue of Milo talking about sex with kids, you’re supporting Hillary and not supporting the good guys!

    Party’s over. Trump needs to stop talking about his landslide victory where millions more Americans actually voted against him. It’s time to get in the kitchen and take the heat.

    Tiresome yet relentless!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  364. Statutory rape laws are based on the premise that until a person reaches a certain age, that individual is legally incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse. Thus, the law assumes, even if he or she willingly engages in sexual intercourse, the sex is not consensual.[11] Critics argue that an age limit cannot be used to determine the ability to consent to sex, since a young teenager might possess enough social sense to make informed and mature decisions about sex, while some adults might never develop the ability to make mature choices about sex, as even many mentally healthy individuals remain naive and easily manipulated throughout their lives.[12]

    Another rationale comes from the fact that minors are generally economically, socially, and legally unequal to adults. By making it illegal for an adult to have sex with a minor, statutory rape laws aim to give the minor some protection against adults in a position of power over the youth.[2]

    Another argument presented in defense of statutory rape laws relates to the difficulty in prosecuting rape (against a victim of any age) in the courtroom. Because forced sexual intercourse with a minor is considered a particularly heinous form of rape, these laws relieve the prosecution of the burden to prove lack of consent. This makes conviction more frequent in cases involving minors.[12]

    Evil Hillary Support Handbook (ba94b2)

  365. Douthat would resign fro. The times, because they celebrate every depravity that sTa. Has yet to imagine. They ginned up an unfortunate incident at Abe ghraib, they have let loose mobs in two many cities to account, the blood in callas and baton rouge is on their hands as it has mote recently in whittier

    narciso (d1f714)

  366. Mr. Dustin sometimes I think you just like to be contrarian

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  367. Mr. Dustin sometimes I think you just like to be contrarian

    happyfeet

    I do, sir. On that one I’m guilty! But over the many years I’ve been commenting here, arguing these things has clarified my moral compass and on what I am firmly certain of.

    Probably the first is that lawsuit threatening internet tough guy thugs are to be called out, loudly, as I called out the NJRob loser. He’s not the first of that kind I’ve called out, of course.

    Somewhere on the list is that what Milo was advocating is totally unacceptable and I can just ignore his politics and who he’s friends and enemies with completely because of what I mean by “total.”

    But I think there’s great benefit in challenging a point of view you actually agree with. If you can argue against your own point of view, you can tune it and improve it. And explain it to those who don’t agree. On this, we’re similar. I know because you’ve been on quite a trip politically over the years.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  368. it’s been a journey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  369. I’m not crazy about some thins be says or does. But this kabuki effort to driver him from the oubluc square is ridiculous.

    This is how the left operates, they are told here or the UK, there’s this mixedup soul caught in an American gulag and he must be released, then he must rewarded for his injuries (socalled) from the British tax payer, he mustnt be watched, heavens no.

    narciso (d1f714)

  370. It’s also how the right operates. See CPAC, the literal right, operating.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  371. Footloose! Footloose!

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  372. I don’t flow. Now two generations now of students have been loaded down with the mind arson that robin has described chapter and verse, they belie e figments and ignore reality, they go on to journalism acadrnia and govt with that mindset.

    narciso (d1f714)

  373. What, you think education is messed up in a country that elected Donald Trump president? Why that’s very difficult to believe!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  374. The ones who still voted for red queen in new york and california, you betcha.

    narciso (d1f714)

  375. Damn it Chuck Bartowski (if that isn’t your real name)! As long as you’re not the only Chuck Bartowski, I’m half-inclined to punch you right in the schnoz for having the temerity to question NJRob’s legal analysis so brusquely.

    No, that name is stolen from the main character of the tv series “Chuck”. And I’m an old man, you wouldn’t want to disrespect your elders, Leviticus 🙂

    But I’ll make you a deal: if you are ever in Reno, look me up. I’ll buy you a drink, and we can start a drunken bar brawl, just for the fun of it.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  376. “I’m not crazy about some thins be says or does. But this kabuki effort to driver him from the oubluc square is ridiculous.”

    – narciso

    It’s so awful, isn’t it? I won’t be speaking at CPAC or publishing articles on Breitbart either. Come see the violence inherent in the system!

    Leviticus (efada1)

  377. Wasn’t a huge fan of the Chuck finale, but it’s a fun show to watch. Yvonne is also fun to watch.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  378. Yes Zachary levis subsequent work was dissapointing

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/cia-analyst-who-quit-over-trump-is-a-hillary-donor

    narciso (d1f714)

  379. 311. SteveMG (ea62d2) — 2/22/2017 @ 8:31 am

    But as Douthat explained, the only remaining “conservative” social value

    We still have incest and cannabalism, and adultery is at least disapproved of, although decriminalized. We also have some new ones, for instance teacher and student is now very, very, highly disapproved of. Liberal or modern values have both subtracted and added things.

    the only remaining “conservative” social value – adults cannot prey on children – was crossed.

    Age was never very important, but it is now the principle thing which is left. This was not exactly where the line was drawn in the past. Marriage was. Whatever role age had to play was incorporated into marriage.

    Marriage requires consent and the ability to grant it. In the United States, there were minimum ages for marriage in the United States, setseparately by each statem and they were lower when there was parental consent, and the age minimum was also frequently different for men and women, usually 21 for men and 18 for women when done without parental consent.

    Now that, because of some Supreme Court case, they have to be the same for both sexes, it is 18 for both sexes when not accompanied by parental consent.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  380. In New York State, in 1964, the legal age for marriage was 21 for men and 18 for women, if done without parental consent; and 16 for both men and women with parental consent, and 14 for females with the consent both of the parents AND of a Family Court judge.

    In New Hampshire it was 20 for men and 18 for women without parental consent, but could go as low as 14 for men and 13 for women with a court’s permission, and a court’s permission was needed to drop below 20 and 18.

    In Washington State it was 21 and 18 without parental consent, and with parental consent, there was no minimum for boys, but there was a minimum age of 15 for females.

    In Texas it was 21 and 18 without parental consent and 16 and 14 with it, but the parent needed to appear in person or provide a doctor’s affidavit of illness.

    The comparative ages of the make and the female at which parents would probably actually consent to marriage are probably similiar to what is now informally accepted for teenage sexual activity.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  381. I thought of another new social value. Leaving children alone below the age when they can be employed as babysitters, which is probably 13.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  382. “QUESTION ASKED: “If it’s a fireable offense when Milo says it and it’s ‘horrifying’ when George Takei says it, where’s the outrage over this old clip of Bill Maher condoning sex between an adult and a 14-year-old teenager?”

    Over to you, Time-Warner-CNN-HBO.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258057/

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  383. I mean NOT leaving children alone. Probably not even to go to school.

    It couldn’t rise above the age at which children could be employed as babysitters – that was the cap.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  384. Excellent job by Instapundit, Twitchy and the rest. McMuffin is an ally of Takei. Bring it.

    NJRob (43d957)

  385. george takei will be 80 this april

    we should be really mean to him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  386. Child Bride

    Pinandpuller (913c15)

  387. So the law is fine with marrying your 14 year old son to a gay man, is that what we are to understand?

    Pinandpuller (913c15)

  388. my whole life i never needed CNN fake news propaganda slut Jake Tapper to tell me when I should be outraged

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  389. my whole effing life i’m not even joking

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  390. Witch Hunt

    Pinandpuller (913c15)

  391. Narciso,

    Don’t forget the 4th Circuit completely ignoring Heller and their own precedent as well as fact to decide “assault weapons” are unconstitutional.

    NJRob (96ee29)

  392. I put it up at 383,

    narciso (d1f714)

  393. Gotcha.

    We’ve reached the point of no return. Unelected judges and bureaucrats.

    NJRob (96ee29)

  394. what’s the difference between the point of no return and the point at which there’s no turning back

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  395. nobody knows

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  396. “Actually, Ben Shapiro, We Had Plenty of Evidence To Go On
    —Ace

    One of the aspects of the right I find most depressing, illusions-shattering, and depressing is their eager adoption of every trendily retarded aspect of the left, just five years after the left adopts it. (Conservatism, for many, seems to be “progressivism plus a short period of time to give it some veneer of ‘beloved tradition.'”)

    One of the left’s recent inventions was the doctrine of “No Platforming,” or #NoPlatforming, as the kids say on Twitter. The idea of it is that people should not merely oppose, contradict, refute, or rubbish statements they do not like, but apply social and economic pressure to block such statements from even being made at a venue they control (or influence). Hence, “No Platforming” — we will blockade anyone from even providing a platform to people whose speech we don’t like.

    This is sadly now accepted by many quarters of the staid, color-within-the-lines repressed right. Perhaps it always was.

    Ben Shapiro not only seems to accept the practice, but to endorse it– despite that he himself has been the target of many #NoPlatforming campaigns…”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368525.php

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  397. If Leviticus and Dustin had their druthers we would have a President right now who has successful defended real baby rapers in a court of Law, and laughed about it after.
    One of Hillary’s defining moments.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  398. Winning!

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  399. 405… it’s the difference between Kansas and Rodney Crowell.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  400. 405. The point of no return has almost 1,000 times as many hits on Google as the point at which there’s no turning back.

    The point when there’s no turning back has about 10 times the point at which there’s no turning back but only about 2 1/2% of the point of no return.

    Also – you don’t have to be in motion when you reach the point of no return.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  401. Its like plank length, coronello, which I inductivrly approximated

    narciso (d1f714)

  402. Come on boys. Get your heads right.

    I saw a video where Yiannopoulos shamed Hijab wearing hecklers out of the hall. Just by his being. Just by his existence and pointing out that their religious doctrine would require them to kill him.

    You think Levi’s going to do that? You think Dustin would be capable of that?
    I mean, they are obnoxious by internet standards, but they ain’t a patch to an organized mob of Muslim scolds.

    Crutch you say? If it keeps Del Paso Heights from being a no go zone for children in the daylight and everyone else at night short of the 101 Airborne, I’ll take that crutch any day.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  403. Thanks for contributing, papertiger. Maybe you could take up “Milo’s” mantle, since you think it’s such an important cause?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  404. Anyway, build up “Milo” all you want. You’re a day late and a dollar short.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  405. Trump has my proxy at CPAC.

    You got anybody speaking for you, Levi?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  406. Whomever

    Let me rephrase. Do you have anybody sucking up to Trump for you at CPAC, Levi?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  407. Assistant court flatterer by proxy?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  408. “You got anybody speaking for you, Levi?”

    – papertiger

    I speak for myself, bootlicker.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  409. This is how the gulf states through the levick group, reprieve and cage prisoners

    narciso (d1f714)

  410. papertiger,

    The election is over. You can’t keep citing Hillary as the reason to ignore basic standards. The guys who won are not being criticized for their conduct, as is what happens. I think both Hillary and Trump were unacceptable options, and had Hillary won, I would reject ‘but but but Trump’ as an excuse for her, just as I think ‘but but but Hillary’ doesn’t excuse Trump from his responsibilities.

    But this is a lot simpler than politics. Milo’s abject immorality is beyond politics. Yeah, he isn’t absolutely without merit. No one is. Even the sociopaths who do great evils to children have probably also done something good in their day.

    You insist I couldn’t stand up to ‘hijab wearers’. Of course I could, however I actually do not believe that getting rid of them is a good thing. Creating toxic environments instead of having a mature conversation just isn’t my gameplan in life. I have and will continue to stand up for what I believe in, and make a positive difference in the world, long after Milo has swept himself off the national stage … which he did more easily than he scared off those scary Muslim hijab wearers. He did this to himself and you’re misguided to take it out on me.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  411. Levi wears his butthurt like a crown

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  412. Sewer scum floated to the top for a while; Trumpkins went “Ooh!” and “Ahh!”; then it got flushed back down; and Trumpkins are going “Aw!”; is my analysis.

    Relax, guys, you’re not totally bereft. You’ve got another half-Brit pansy who likes them young in the White House.

    nk (dbc370)

  413. NK,

    How can the Binary community know Bannon will stop with pithing just one Pepe?

    Rick Ballard (da143d)

  414. Damn… another “analysis” that indicates a diagnosis of Chronic Chicago Cranial Impaction is warranted.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  415. Are they the enemy if the people you decide:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/22/aiding-and-abetting-first-amendment-division/mendment-division/

    I read an eye opening Bio of the shah, nearly forty years after the media and the govt conspired to depose him

    narciso (d1f714)

  416. When threads get long they get ugly. Should I just close this?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  417. Yes. Please!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  418. Let’s hear it for the U.C. Berkeley Commitment to Diversity department representatives.

    They’ll be here for an unlimited engagement available 24/7 to assist with current witchs, or reminisce over successful hunts of the past.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  419. “QUESTION ASKED: “If it’s a fireable offense when Milo says it and it’s ‘horrifying’ when George Takei says it, where’s the outrage over this old clip of Bill Maher condoning sex between an adult and a 14-year-old teenager?”

    Over to you, Time-Warner-CNN-HBO.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258057/

    I definitely do not want Bill Maher speaking at CPAC.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  420. You just did as far as I’m concerned, Patterico.

    nk (dbc370)

  421. I didn’t ask the cucks at Breitbart to fire Milo or the Simon and Schuster people to suddenly cancel the book of someone they already knew was provocative.

    P

    Patterico (115b1f)

  422. Any chance of anyone putting up a post on the 4th District Court deciding our rights don’t exist.

    Or an open thread.

    NJRob (96ee29)

  423. How about an over due post on the lying cuckold,Paul Ryan? This turd is a disgrace to any human breathing.

    mg (31009b)

  424. “I definitely do not want Bill Maher speaking at CPAC.”

    No one in their right mind would. But that’s not the point. If it wasn’t the Eggamuffin faction of #NeverTrump that did the oppo research it was the Left. And if it was the Left, rules and outrage should be applied equally, whatever the politics or predilections of the offender.

    IMO.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  425. And if they aren’t applied equally, then people should be made to feel a sense of shame and embarrassment to have let themselves be duped and used in that manner.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  426. Probably they handed their research to mcmuffin.

    narciso (e21a34)

  427. Justice would prevail if some wetback got a hold of cuckold Ryan down on the border. Maybe put his panties in a trophy tree.

    mg (31009b)

  428. So Breitbart people are “cucks” and Simon and Schuster leftwingers are just “people”. Nice touch.

    Colonel Haiku (ac902e)

  429. Among the illustrious people Simon and Schuster has published in the past are kitty kelley whose slander against the Reagan’s, no dowd laundered into the times

    narciso (e21a34)

  430. Dustin,

    since you have gone fully down the rabbit hole, I won’t bother with you anymore other than to say you’re attacking two of the best commenters here in Narciso and Haiku. You are also deliberately libeling myself and them by claiming we are defending raping children. I would love to ask Patterico where that stands in a court of law.

    If I met you in person and you didn’t apologize for that libel, I’d slug you in the face. GFY.

    Dustin is one of the best commenters here and I don’t appreciate this comment. I understand you didn’t like his characterization of your position, and if you wanted to call it tendentious, uncharitable, or unfair, have at it. But while I like both of you — and I do — I can’t have commenters making comments like this.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  431. So Breitbart people are “cucks” and Simon and Schuster leftwingers are just “people”. Nice touch.

    Wasn’t it? Anyone with a sense of humor should be laughing. You are, right?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  432. Col – Can’t wait for the blood bath the cuckold rinos will get in 2018.

    mg (31009b)

  433. “I definitely do not want Bill Maher speaking at CPAC.”

    No one in their right mind would. But that’s not the point.

    Sure it is. It’s my point, anyway.

    If it wasn’t the Eggamuffin faction of #NeverTrump that did the oppo research it was the Left. And if it was the Left, rules and outrage should be applied equally, whatever the politics or predilections of the offender.

    IMO.

    I couldn’t care less who revealed the truth. It’s not like they hacked anyone to get it, right? (Why, I’m told some “conservatives” favor the truth being revealed even when hacking IS involved!) The fact is, Milo’s comments opened him to deserved criticism, and conservatives were totally fine to oppose his being invited to CPAC.

    As for the book and the firing, I don’t think I would have done either and I think both were kind of stupid. But what do you expect from a buncha cucks?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  434. It should be clear by now, that the reagannbatallions like the vaunted town hall project, or other astroturf is not what they seem to be

    narciso (e21a34)

  435. I couldn’t give less of a shit who ReaganWhatevers is. The video was what the video was.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  436. there’s no such thing as body condom
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/22/2017 @ 9:32 am

    Is too!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/21/article-0-19918BE200000578-544_634x382.jpg

    Yoda jr (310909)

  437. It’s happening again. This time in San Jose. Mandatory evacuation of 50 thousand people.

    Flooding. http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/us/san-jose-flood/index.html

    Cnn link is the first I’ve heard of it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  438. Didn’t know they had a dam.

    YouTube video says it’s Don Pedro reservoir jumping the levee.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  439. Don Pedro is across the valley about a hundred miles and a mountain range away from San Jose.

    I don’t get it. Maybe falling for a “Big Foot hunter” type video.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  440. papertiger- Hope your on high ground.

    mg (31009b)

  441. I understand you didn’t like his characterization of your position, and if you wanted to call it tendentious, uncharitable, or unfair, have at it. But while I like both of you — and I do — I can’t have commenters making comments like this.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 2/22/2017 @ 6:32 pm

    He said myself, Narciso and Colonel Haiku were reasoning ourselves into defending child rape. As cowardly an attack as possible.

    No substance to his remarks. No citations. Just jumping into a debate between Sean and myself with a complete ad hominem. And all you do is praise him and say my tone is wrong?

    This is the quote you are defending:

    There is absolutely no way to penetrate them with reason, the only weapon a reasonable person on an internet discussion board is armed with. Haiku, NJRob, and Narciso did not reason themselves into defending raping children. They feel in their paranoid hearts that their bitter enemy, the evil “nevertrumper” (aka conservatives who are beyond partisanship) somehow created this situation.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/22/2017 @ 8:23 am

    NJRob (96ee29)

  442. NJRob sez:

    He said myself, Narciso and Colonel Haiku were reasoning ourselves into defending child rape.

    And he proves his point by quoting Dustin:

    Haiku, NJRob, and Narciso did not reason themselves into defending raping children.

    So, NJRob’s proof that Dustin said X is a quote of Dustin saying NotX. Someone else does that frequently. Patterico and a few others are still defending themselves in a Maryland court against him.

    John Hitchcock (edb814)

  443. This is the quote you are defending:

    I know what he said. I read the relevant comments. Please show me where I defended the quote.

    What I actually did was 1) defend Dustin — a commenter who has been for years and been a good friend to me at tough times — and 2) call on you to attack his argument if you don’t like it, rather than make allusions to lawsuits and violence.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  444. Because I just can’t have those sorts of comments.

    Again: if you want to denounce his comment as intemperate or unfair, have at it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  445. Ellison’s young and dumb
    vs
    Perez and the old commies

    mg (31009b)

  446. His comment was a joke. It would’ve never been spoken in public. You know it and I know it. And my response would’ve been rational in public.

    So, NJRob’s proof that Dustin said X is a quote of Dustin saying NotX. Someone else does that frequently. Patterico and a few others are still defending themselves in a Maryland court against him.

    John Hitchcock (edb814) — 2/22/2017 @ 7:32 pm

    My adjusted comment should have been:

    He said myself, Narciso and Colonel Haiku were reasoning ourselves into defending child rape. As cowardly an attack as possible.

    Read the full comment again with his claim that he’s using reason while the rest of us are incapable of doing so.

    Then you will understand my response.

    Hard to type on a phone as you are aware.

    I have decided I will no longer respond to him as I feel he adds nothing to the conversation other than bitterness towards Trump voters. Your call to feel otherwise.

    NJRob (96ee29)

  447. I fully agree with Dustin’s statement. And that’s no joke.

    John Hitchcock (edb814)

  448. It was a local reservoir, Lake Anderson , which feeds Coyote Creek, which flows right through downtown San Jose.

    From the report it sounds like people didn’t get a warning except the water lapping up on their feet.

    This is a bad thing. It’s a real thing.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  449. And statements like Dustin made, I have made in public. Your response would have been criminal in public, not rational.

    John Hitchcock (edb814)

  450. Its hated to see the authorities in northern California with more contempt isn’t it

    narciso (d1f714)

  451. Sure you have John. Sure you have.

    NJRob (96ee29)

  452. Flood stage for Coyote Creek is 10 feet. They crested at 13.9 feet.

    That’s kind of a laugh. It’s not funny for people with water in their house, it’s just the thought of ten feet of water being flood stage.
    I have a ladder that reaches deeper than that. They are on the coast.

    Anyone seeing this on the news?

    I get one channel, and it doesn’t care about San Jose.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  453. One month into the administration, and “Trump voters” are a national and international joke. Sad!

    Leviticus (e18fbb)

  454. Nancy Pelosi just said some funny things in public the other day.
    She referred to John Kasich as the governor of Illinois.
    She also quoted Martin Luther Sing.

    Normally, I might think the botox would be blamed.
    But I have a feeling someone will pin the blame on President Mr Donald.
    Rachel Maddow?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  455. I hear you cs, neither she nor red queen, note the symbol of sunset boulevard.

    narciso (3f3076)

  456. That’s not a joke. Here’s an international joke.

    Notorious defender of pedophilia planning to crash the Oscars.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  457. Wait. Defenders of pedophilia always crash the Oscars.

    Doesn’t even qualify as news.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  458. @467- sure, you just keep telling yourself that.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258067/

    Leon (ce642b)

  459. Somebody should tackle her as she walks the carpet. Or at least finagle a lifetime achievement award for Susan Sarandon, who can’t stand H, to give her the shade.

    urbanleftbehind (767248)

  460. I’m a big Emma stone can, but that telecast is going like when Vader put Hans in that searing knife conyraption.

    narciso (3f3076)

  461. You know what’s a joke? A major city in California is flooded. And San Jose is a major city in on it’s own right. It gets third billing due to SF and Oakland, but San Jose is huge.

    Not evacuated because they might get wet sometime later. Actually flooded.

    Not so much as a mention on the bing homepage.

    It’s good to know your place in the order of things. A blessing. Keep them from getting uppity.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  462. They didn’t even get a warning.

    Their first clue was looking out the window and noticing the dog swimming and then the neighbor’s cat swimming. Then their dog swimming after the neighbor’s cat.

    So back when they had near riot conditions for a Trump rally in San Jose, with no arrests.
    We’re thinking what a [edit] police force they have.

    Not just a one off for special occasions. That’s a [edit] police force ecumenically.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  463. papertiger, I’ve always felt that ever since Burt Bacharach and Hal David wrote Do You Know the Way to San Jose? the city had legitimacy!

    Keep in mind, people know Chattanooga, Sioux City, and El Paso, because they were named in famous song titles!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  464. That is an excellent article, narciso. Very thorough attempt at explaining why the Establishment is pulling out all stops on the foreign policy front. Many folks here would do well to give it a read.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  465. CS My working theory is the powers that be would rather not spotlight how dysfunctional and inept their multi generational Democrat ruled city’s government is in a crisis.

    I got Chattanooga choo choo, and out in the West Texas town of El Paso, but for some reason I can’t recall Sioux City’s jingle.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  466. Peggy Sioux?
    A Boy Named Sioux?
    Runaround Sioux?
    Oh, Sioux City, don’t you cry for me?

    Sioux City Sue, by Gene Autry.

    nk (dbc370)

  467. Amnesty International; Trump rhetoric endangers the world
    http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/amnesty-international-trump-rhetoric/2017/02/22/id/774995/

    Sounds like some of those priests from narciso’s link, pointing out the heretic blasphemer.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  468. nk you sure that’s it?

    Never heard it before.

    It’s okay. Truth is I don’t know the way to San Jose from here either.
    Would have to use Tom Tom.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  469. @470 papertiger

    I thought you meant Lena Dunham.

    Pinandpuller (e49e2d)

  470. papertiger

    So are they sending San Jose refugees to Huston or Allepo?

    Pinandpuller (e49e2d)

  471. According to Google, it was also recorded by Dick Thomas, Bing Crosby and Willie Nelson.

    And here’s The Sister of Sioux City Sue, by Dick Thomas. Her name is Sally.

    nk (dbc370)

  472. The Other McCain shares his thoughts on the Mobbing of Milo… https://spectator.org/the-mobbing-of-milo/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  473. 485. In a cruel twist, some to Ho Chi Minh City. But ideally, a few back to the Rancho.

    urbanleftbehind (767248)

  474. Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) tweeted that the [bathroom tranny] decision shows Trump “thinks LGBT stands for ‘Let’s Go Back in Time.'”

    lol! clever!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  475. I really appreciate the kind words from Patterico. It means quite a lot to me that my comments are considered valuable contributions to the blog, even when I definitely have my own way of seeing things.

    NJRob, when you started the ‘be a man’ talk to Sean I lost a lot of respect for you. You’re talking like a schoolyard bully to attack those who are condemning what all moral men should condemn, and therefore you are defending Milo’s comments about how if children consent to sex with older men, it can be hugely positive. This. Is. Freaking. Rape.

    My comments convey the level of respect I wanted to convey. I would indeed happily say this to your face, and while you certainly talk tough, I’m not impressed. I’ve never threatened people on the internet, and not because I’m too nice or a coward, but because it’s really silly and pathetic. It represents something found so often in Trump’s fanbase: dumb bluster.

    Many Trump fans have dishonestly represented those they disagree with, aggressively twisting things, accusing people of wanting Hillary to be president, calling them lefties, or just lying about what they say. And these people HATE it when the reasoned conservatives decide to answer back harshly. But harsh is right when we’re talking about some topics.

    I’ve been critical of Hillary on this blog for many many years. I found her absolutely unacceptable for the presidency. I find Trump to be equal to Hillary, in other words, absolutely unacceptable. This does not mean I want Hillary to be the president. I wanted Ted Cruz to be our president. I’d rather have reason than bluster and BS.

    As for my accusation that you are defending child rape, I insist that a young boy cannot consent to sex. What Milo was advocating was rape, and we must recognize this reality if we’re talking about this matter. Bashing those who are clear about it, playing word games, fantasizing about this conspiracy with trollish terms like ‘EggMcmuffin’… THAT IS DEFENDING MILO’S COMMENTS ADVOCATING RAPE. It is my honest, rational view that therefore you are defending raping children.

    And of course when I typed that earlier, I knew it was a risible comment that would upset you. That was the point. You should be ashamed. You should be outraged with yourself. Like Milo, your zeal to shock and fight your political enemies at any cost, under the idea that this is ‘tough’ and ‘necessary’ and therefore justified, is exactly what steered you wrong. You left reason behind because something you apparently hate to be associated with, child rape, was associated with Team Trump in this Milo degenerate.

    Of course, the conservatives who think this way are likely to have walked away from the GOP by now. We’ve been listening to crap about how Ted Cruz’s dad was on the grassy knoll and how Ted should bend his knee after his wife was slurred. We’ve been hearing how Trump shouldn’t disclose his returns, nor divest like the many wealthy presidents before him did. We’ve been seeing such rank corruption laughed away. It wears patience.

    I feel obliged to explain myself a little better because Patterico has responded in my defense and I am not really entitled to that. But in all honestly, when you start the internet tough guy crap I laugh at you. I would laugh in your face about that. I think it’s pathetic.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  476. “One thing that the lynch-mob destruction of Milo Yiannopoulos has demonstrated is that even the Democrat Party’s otherwise infinite enthusiasm for homosexuality is subject to revision, if liberals can score points by targeting gay conservatives. The people who exposed Milo’s comments were anti-Trump Republicans, according to longtime conservative blogger Jim Hoft, and this enables liberals to applaud the GOP circular firing squad’s takedown of a young provocateur who helped rally support for Trump’s populist agenda. In the Tuesday press conference where he announced his resignation from Breitbart News, Yiannopoulos blamed his penchant for “gallows humor and love of shock value” for his comments which, he said, “do not reflect my views.” ”

    — Robert Stacey McCain

    Colonel Haiku (311cb7)

  477. And I find that overwrought, Dustin, trump is an imperfect vehicle, I’ve only said this a thousand times, whereas red queen would have furthered this countries devolution in ways we see in the UK even under a toryn
    regime

    narciso (d1f714)

  478. she was slurred

    good thing we know pervy Mitt Romney’s slurpy egg mcmuffin is far far above doing slur on people

    he takes the high road

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  479. trump is an imperfect vehicle

    I may have said this upthread, but it took Nixon to get Carter. It took Obama to get Trump. Trump is a vehicle for something, and I suspect he represents a major point in American history. What will he bring?

    In the short term, it’s easy to find some good stuff. In the long term? Who knows? Could be a disaster for conservatives.

    But that’s done. The election was bound to happen no matter if I thought both Hillary and Trump were not acceptable. You may find him to be merely imperfect, but I think the risks are yuge.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  480. everyone’s dying at Fox News
    brenda buttner, now alan colmes

    maybe the rest of them should consult their magic 8 ball
    or at least some tarot cards

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  481. good thing we know pervy Mitt Romney’s slurpy egg mcmuffin is far far above doing slur on people

    he takes the high road

    happyfeet

    Yes indeed, I can’t recall McMullin or Romney ever smearing someone for being the relative of a politician they do not approve of. They instead criticize people on the national stage for their own conduct.

    A good example of Milo being quoted. Just because he’s on your team doesn’t mean any criticism of him is a horrible attack equivalent to going after family members of your opponent.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  482. an ounce of prevention is worth pound of cure

    Nr. Trump prevented Jeb and Hillary from doing even more establishment sleaze all up in it

    he’s the freshmaker!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  483. ugh *Mr.* Trump i mean

    the new kb should be here when i get back from the office

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  484. #498 mr happyfeet,

    Yes, Jeb! and that nasty Hillary woman were too low-energy for the job.
    Neither of them would have nominated Mr Neil Gorsuch.

    Winning!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  485. I know I said I will no longer respond to Dustin, but I feel I must make this one exception.

    My interpretation of Milo’s remarks was he was talking about his own personal experiences. He was victimized and trying to rationalize his situation. He has recanted those words, but even if he didn’t, he said the age of consent was probably correct in the initial remarks so I don’t consider that trying to weasel out of what he said. Never once did I defend his remarks about underage kids having relations.

    This may surprise you, but I don’t like Milo’s antics except that they are effective. The left, especially the indoctrinated young adults on campus, need to be rapidly awoken from the fairy tale soft fascism they believe is correct which is not tenable in the real world. It has caused great angst among their generation as they cannot relate to the real world and why so many live in their fantasy, narcissistic social media worlds.

    Yes, Milo has done a fantastic job at self promotion, but also at exposing how radical our indoctrination systems have become; far better than Ben Shapiro has done.

    As for Trump, look back in the history of my comments. I was and am a Cruz supporter. I spoke out against Trump when he attacked Cruz. When Cruz said his remarks at the convention, I defended Cruz and was outraged by Trump’s antics that I walked away from Trump completely. It wasn’t until Cruz rationalized that it was more important to stop Clinton and try and get conservatives on the court, law enforcement reinstated on the border and in the country, and to attempt to return our country to an actual rule of law that I accepted Trump as a viable option again.

    Nothing Trump has done since has made me regret that decision. I understand Trump’s flaws. He’s vain, vindictive and childish. So what. As long as our agenda passes, that’s more important. I’ll take an imperfect vehicle to advance our cause instead of tilting at windmills waiting for the perfect man. He doesn’t exist.

    As for my goading remarks towards Sean, he laid out the conditions for the apology. It was a clear challenge and one that was easy to meet. So yes, I mocked the challenge and demanded it be met. So what. It never should’ve been laid down.

    As for your remarks regarding rape, they were inexcusable. As I wrote on the previous thread, child rape is beyond abhorrent and should be punished in the strongest possible terms. I know victims of it that cannot function properly in adulthood. I take it very personally. If I felt that Milo supported it, I would’ve dropped him in a second.

    But I don’t see that as what he did. As I stated above, he was rationalizing his own experiences to justify his situation. Corrupting a child sexually has a huge chance of destroying them by the time they reach adulthood. How many homosexuals were victimized as children and how many act the way they do in adulthood because of those experiences?

    So laugh away. Continue to be petty and obnoxious. To lay down outrageous claims without support. To not ask for reason, but instead claim you political adversary has none. Enjoy being what you claim you hate. Look in the mirror.

    NJRob (43d957)

  486. Trump Idolatry has ruined many a previously reasonable person. There is not a single Trump Idolator who has a lick of sense. All bluster and hypocrisy out of them.

    John Hitchcock (b27282)

  487. I’l reiterate:

    Are you concerned, NJRob, that “Milo” – who is himself a (relatively) older man, at this point – might be interested in or involved in some “life-affirming, important, shaping, hugely positive experiences” with some younger boys?

    Provided they’re consensual, of course?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  488. I’l reiterate:

    Are you concerned, NJRob, that “Milo” – who is himself a (relatively) older man, at this point – might be interested in or involved in some “life-affirming, important, shaping, hugely positive experiences” with some younger boys?

    Provided they’re consensual, of course?

    Leviticus (efada1) — 2/23/2017 @ 7:55 am

    Boys, no. Children cannot consent. Younger men, not my decision. Adulthood matters.

    If he does so in the future, prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Still waiting for Lena Dunham’s conviction though. Are you?

    NJRob (43d957)

  489. 495. I had thought Cal Thomas went out in the same purge as George Will, but maybe he owed a piece or two before he got his severance:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/23/milo-is-no-ronald-reagan.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  490. I think those are two good comments and certainly better than what we had before. I think you’re both good guys and I’d rather see you at least lay off the personal stuff, but at least the comments are more reasoned and less blustery.

    Patterico (b67841)

  491. he’s just a soul whose intentions are good oh lord don’t let milo be misunderstood

    happyfeet (aa4fc3)

  492. I’d say more of a firecracker:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-23/okeefe-drops-bombshell-undercover-video-
    footage-within-fake-news-cnn

    Call Thomas is practicing category error again.

    narciso (d1f714)

  493. That link leads to a page not found in my neck of the woods, Nars. That Swedish mus-ball with his Shiloh Pitt-Jolie like kid in one of the lower boxes on the ZeroHedge page is true scariness.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  494. From the horse’s mouth

    http://projectveritas.com/2017/02/21/cnnleaks-part-i

    narciso (d1f714)

  495. 501- keep polishing traitor ryans knob.

    mg (31009b)

  496. Funny enough and to clear the record, Romney was the subject of several serial smears by certain people who post on PP.

    Colonel Haiku (311cb7)

  497. Colonel, I bet if we review the 2012 archives, we’d see that some of our NeverTrumper friends were giving overwrought lectures about how Mitt Romney was a RINO and can’t be trusted.
    Just a wild guess! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  498. Yes and from a political dynasty and a socialist and a… well, all sorts of crap in that dustbin.

    Colonel Haiku (311cb7)

  499. #513 Colonel, I imagine one would have to walk a lot of dusty roads while on angel dust in order to endure that dustbin.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  500. Romney was the subject of several serial smears by certain people who post on PP.

    Chief among them was (and continues to be) happyfeet. I can’t think of anyone else who calls Romney a pervert (and yet doesn’t think Trump is a pervert).

    FWIW, I’m a “NeverTrumper” and I supported Romney once he was nominated.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  501. FWIW, I’m a “NeverTrumper” and I supported Romney once he was nominated.

    Which means you did not support Romney. You supported someone else but once the candidate you chose him over Obama. That must have been a difficult choice for a now, NeverTrumper”.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  502. The only ones I can recall who were against Romney are feverish Trumpkins now. LOL

    nk (dbc370)

  503. Mr Donald give me fe-vah!

    — Peggy Lee

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  504. Which means you did not support Romney.

    No, it means there came a time when I did support Romney. It wasn’t always that way, but there was a time when it was true.

    You supported someone else but once the candidate you chose him over Obama.

    There were one or two candidates that I preferred over Romney, but they dropped out early. I supported Romney over Rick Perry, and over a few other Republicans.

    That must have been a difficult choice for a now, NeverTrumper”.

    Not at all. Romney was clearly better than Obama. Plus, Romney’s a decent man, even if I don’t agree with all of his political positions. But I never once felt Romney was unfit for office, unlike someone who boasted about grabbing women’s genitals and peeking at teen-aged girls while they were dressing.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  505. #519 Chuck Bartowski, so peeking at impressively developed young ladies in a beauty contest makes a man “unfit” for the Presidency?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  506. let’s break out the booze

    and have

    a ball

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  507. No, there were several Romney bashers who are strident #NeverStrumpets now. One of them had a size 14 Wolverine work boot permanently implanted so far up his scrawny keister he still burps shoe polish when he dines.

    Colonel Haiku (311cb7)

  508. pervy mitt romney would’ve skanked up the whole white house with his bizarre climate change fetish and his tasteless collection of willow tree figurines

    thank baby jesus we dodged that bullet

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  509. so peeking at impressively developed young ladies in a beauty contest makes a man “unfit” for the Presidency?

    Peeking at under aged girls, no matter how impressively developed, while in their dressing rooms makes a man unfit for the Presidency. It would make a man unfit for just about anything outside of a prison, in my estimation.

    Apparently, you think peeking at under aged girls while dressing doesn’t make someone unfit for the office. Is that true?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  510. this notion that beauty pageant contestants need protection from prying eyes, shy retiring flower type that’s drawn to that sort of event

    has to be one of the most overwrought disingenuous bull[edit] arguments in a swirling vortex of bull[edit] arguments

    papertiger (c8116c)

  511. I think that they should issue trans-americans “this bathroom closed for service” signs.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  512. Lets protect dogs from soup bones, 50cent from bad movie roles, and

    catfish from underwater tree stumps, next.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  513. Let’s save Rush Limbaugh from those intrusive microphones.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  514. save the Crimea from Russians

    papertiger (c8116c)

  515. save baby diddling queers from boy scout troops

    papertiger (c8116c)

  516. quit inflicting inner city youth with basketball hoops

    papertiger (c8116c)

  517. 496. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/23/2017 @ 7:20 am

    Yes indeed, I can’t recall McMullin or Romney ever smearing someone for being the relative of a politician they do not approve of. They instead criticize people on the national stage for their own conduct.

    This is what McMullin said in the past week:

    I boldfaced what may be disturbing him. I am not sure what he’s trying to do. Expecting nothing to happen by itself, put pressure on Congressional Republicans? there’s not quite enough thinking and skepticism going on here, though, or it is not carefuly written. Why is he echoing things some other people say? Trump, at most, mocked only one disabled person, not disabled people in general. That was the way the Hillary Clinton campaign characterized it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/opinion/a-party-to-the-russian-connection.html

    Republican leaders in Congress now bear the most responsibility for holding the president accountable and protecting the nation. They can’t say they didn’t see the Russian interference coming. They knew all along.

    Early in 2015, senior Republican congressional leaders visited Ukraine and returned full of praise for its fight for independence in spite of Russia’s efforts to destabilize the country and annex some of its regions. And in June, coincidentally just before Mr. Trump announced his campaign for the Republican nomination, they met with Ukraine’s prime minister in Washington — one of many meetings I attended as a senior aide to the House Republican Conference.

    As the presidential race wore on, some of those leaders began to see parallels between Russia’s disinformation operations in Ukraine and Europe and its activities in the United States. They were alarmed by the Kremlin-backed cable network RT America, which was running stories intended, they judged, to undermine Americans’ trust in democratic institutions and promote Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Deeply unsettled, the leaders discussed these concerns privately on several occasions I witnessed.

    Some also questioned Mr. Trump’s attacks on Hispanics, Muslims, women and people with disabilities, or his positions on entitlement reform, discretionary spending and national security. Others were unnerved by his volatile temperament, egoism and authoritarian tendencies. In public, they occasionally offered light criticism of Mr. Trump’s most objectionable comments, but mostly remained silent for fear of antagonizing his supporters.

    As Mr. Trump campaigned, his consistent affection for Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, and apparent defense of Russian intervention in Ukraine raised further concerns. In December 2015, on “Morning Joe,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Putin, “He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what we have in this country.” He also equated Mr. Putin’s murderous regime with the American government: “Our country does plenty of killing, also” — a remark he has repeated as president. [sometimes taken to refer to drone killings, or damage in war, or otherwise its acepting lies – SF]

    Suspect public comments like these led one senior Republican leader to dolefully inform his peers that he thought Mr. Trump was on the Kremlin’s payroll, suggesting that Mr. Trump had been compromised by Russian intelligence. Other leaders were surprised by their colleague’s frank assessment, but did not dispute it….

    …Shockingly, some of the leaders most concerned about Russian subversion and Mr. Trump’s possible compromise were his first and most vocal supporters among congressional leaders — some publicly, some privately. It was an inauspicious trade of national security for political self-preservation and partisan ambition.

    Now the leaders’ worst fears seem validated. Mr. Flynn has become the third Trump team member to step down over Russia-related issues, following the campaign chairman Paul Manafort and the foreign policy adviser Carter Page.

    This plotline is unlikely to improve of its own accord, and America’s security is now at stake. For Republican leaders in Congress, there is no more room for cognitive dissonance. Instead, it is urgent that they recommit to patriotic prudence. They should demand that Attorney General Jeff Sessions appoint an independent special counsel to investigate Russia’s assault on American democracy and Mr. Trump’s possible collusion with the Kremlin.

    At a minimum, they must establish a bipartisan special select committee with subpoena power in the House or the Senate for the same purpose. This job is too big and significant to be entrusted to the standing intelligence committees, which have critical tasks and limited staff. The nation must have accountability — including public hearings where possible — on these matters..

    Note: It may be improving (mostly) of its own accord. Trump may be turning somewhat against Russia. Last week, after the firing of Michael Flynn, Russian propaganda about him was dialed back, and even started going against him.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-kremlin-tells-russian-media-cut-back-fawning-donald-trump-coverage-a7585706.html

    Friday 17 February 2017 14:32 GMT

    The Kremlin ordered state media to cut back on their fawning coverage of President Donald Trump, reflecting a growing concern among senior Russian officials that the new US administration will be less friendly than first thought, three people familiar with the matter said.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  518. protect WaPo reporters from unnamed sources

    papertiger (c8116c)

  519. I shoul have boldfaced this, too:

    Deeply unsettled, the leaders discussed these concerns privately on several occasions I witnessed.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  520. David Letterman from impromptu Obama appearances, and naked off camera CBS pages

    papertiger (c8116c)

  521. oh and Democrats from a rumor that Trump could be the Kremlin’s lap doily = if you look through a kaleidoscope at the sun and squint just right

    papertiger (c8116c)

  522. it’s hard to take pervy mitt romney’s yippy twatdog seriously especially after lunch

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  523. RIP Alan Colmes 67 (where’s Icey)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  524. Why is it that a list of Democrat talking points of the day sound just like Alice reciting her believing six impossible things before breakfast speech?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  525. Two lawyers for every case!

    I bought a ’76 Pinto and we went on vacation

    Sue city here we come

    It’s not real pretty , lost my wife to oxidation

    Sue city here we come

    It’s got four smoking tires and the rear end’s gone

    and it’s burned to the ground on the 101

    And I’m going to sue city cause it’s two to one

    Yeah I’m going to sue city gonna serve someone

    And I’m going to sue city cause it’s two to one

    Yeah we’re going to sue city gonna sue someone

    Two lawyers for every case!

    You know they never bang a gavel cause there’s always someone suing

    Sue city here we come

    You know they’re either out suing or they got a deposition

    Sue city here we come

    Yeah there’s two suing lawyers for every check

    And all you gotta do is just hurt your neck

    So we’re going to sue city cause it’s two to one

    Yeah we’re going to sue city gonna serve someone

    And we’re going to sue city cause it’s two to one

    Yeah we’re going to sue city gonna sue someone

    Two lawyers on every case!

    And if my lawyers flakes out on me somewhere during my case

    Sue city here we come

    I’ll stick my thumb in the air in a bar in my neck brace

    Sue city here we come

    And when I get to sue city I’ll be getting a check

    And looking for a payout from my Ferrari wreck

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  526. If I were a hansom young grad coming out of law school today I would create a whole new branch of law suing universities for breach of contract, bad faith and failure to perform as stated. I would make a fortune and get famous at the same time. Why chase an ambulance when professors are slower?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  527. @501 John Hitchcock

    Trump, like any politician, doesn’t warrant idolatry, but he’s several standard deviations above demonization.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  528. Rev Hoagie

    If a college didn’t give me an ipad and free wifi I’d sue for loss of consortium.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  529. “#519 Chuck Bartowski, so peeking at impressively developed young ladies in a beauty contest makes a man “unfit” for the Presidency?”

    – Trump Supporter

    I’m guessing you have the same definition of “young ladies” as Milo has of “young men.”

    LOLOLOL

    Leviticus (efada1)

  530. gosh you’re just not gonna let this go are you

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  531. handicapped placards for trannies to hang on the [edit]house door ~ that is a dam fine well thought idea.

    /make it so

    papertiger (c8116c)

  532. I’m not going to let you forget about it, no sir.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  533. we have to move on and dot that org

    the future starts very soon

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  534. #NotMyFuture

    Leviticus (efada1)

  535. Or the guy having a full throated custody battle with his ex wife over the cell phone on the lightrail

    giving the other passengers stink eye for invading his privacy

    papertiger (c8116c)

  536. it’s gonna be fun we’re gonna deregulate all the things and change the rules for how taxes are done and there’s gonna be an omelet bar and a lot of stressed-out looking trannies dancing around cause of they can’t figure out where to pee

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  537. this notion that beauty pageant contestants need protection from prying eyes, shy retiring flower type that’s drawn to that sort of event

    has to be one of the most overwrought disingenuous bull[edit] arguments in a swirling vortex of bull[edit] arguments

    You are being intellectually dishonest. We’re talking under aged girls in their dressing room

    We are not talking about adults out on the runway, we are talking about girls where they have every expectation of privacy.

    Seriously, if you are going to defend peeking at teen aged girls in their dressing rooms, I find that utterly reprehensible.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  538. I thought for some reason that you were going to start communicating like an adult again after Obama left office.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  539. Was I mistaken, feets? I thought you said that somewhere.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  540. i have my own agenda

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  541. Aight, cool. I respect that.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  542. THIS SEEMS UNWISE: Couple Caught Having Sex On Speeding Motorcycle While Driving Down Busy Highway. Nobody tell Florida Man about this.

    Future beauty pageant contestant

    papertiger (c8116c)

  543. um I think I said we would review some stuff

    I think I said something along the lines of how we would revisit “first principles” if I remember right

    we will see

    this is a time of pivoting of that there’s no question

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  544. @520 Cruz Supporter

    I think it’s crystal clear he likes 10’s not 10 year olds.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  545. i’m a bit caught off guard by all this relentless hostility to Mr. Trump

    i find it very very

    how to say

    banal really

    we’re in a moment of great possibility i think

    the democrats are insensate to this

    and republicans – bless their coward-ass hearts – most of them are piddling on the rug

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  546. No question whatsoever. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done gracefully, though.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  547. The pivoting, that is.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  548. “i’m a bit caught off guard by all this relentless hostility to Mr. Trump”

    – happyfeet

    Who could have seen it coming, right?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  549. Alfred casts teh demons out… he plucks them and casts them out.

    Colonel Haiku (115769)

  550. Graceless losers… you know who they are
    Sh*tting in their hats… on their way to the bar

    Colonel Haiku (115769)

  551. McMuffin ran for President. Did he ever release his taxes?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  552. McMuffin is like a love-clone of Andrew McCarthy and Alex Jones.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  553. Playing the equivalency game, didn’t Obama get caught looking at the young Brazilian gal’s walking away lady parts?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  554. President Kennedy: The Missle Gap

    President Obama: ‘dat Gap.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  555. So let a guy hook up a restroom in the back of a box truck and then get an app like uber so if you are a tranny and need to pee you signal the guy to come hook you up.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  556. that’s goddamn brilliant

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  557. How Chuck Bartowski sees Trump. [YouTube]

    How I see Chuck Bartowski. [YouTube]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  558. Seriously, if you are going to defend peeking at teen aged girls in their dressing rooms, I find that utterly reprehensible.

    Chuck Bartowski

    This is as good an example as any. Trump walking into dressing rooms to surprise and get a peek and the girls inside is disgusting. A guy like that is not acceptable for president. A guy who brags that his status affords him grabs at women’s genitals, or a run at married women around him, and he thinks his power will intimidate the women from stopping him, should not be given the most powerful role in the free world. Not just because of the sleaze or sex abuse. Because he sees power as something to exploit for the basest personal benefit, and our president should be wary of abusing his power, which he should use to benefit society.

    But what is the answer? Aggressive defenses, insults, lots of deflection, and a general sense that Trump simply will not lose his supporters no matter what he does. That is frustrating to those who care about limited government.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  559. Grow a sense of reality. Keep an eye out for that mole.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  560. How I see Chuck Bartowski. [YouTube]

    It’s hard to take seriously someone who rationalizes a Peeping Tom simply because he’s in the right political party.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  561. 567. Which Andrew McCarthy? I always thought he was Reince Priebus without the toupe.

    urbanleftbehind (904343)

  562. Dustin @573: Absolutely right. Bill Clinton was not fit for office because he used his power to grope and exploit women. But Donald Trump does the same thing, and he’s fit for office? Not in my book.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  563. chuck,

    If Bill Clinton had said the stuff Milo did, or Trump, the folks in this thread who are so aggressively partisan would be furiously demanding criminal investigations.

    Hell, Haiku is upthread complaining about my criticism of Mitt Romney in 2011! It’s not healthy to be that partisan. Not for the country, not for the mental health of some of our commenters here.

    It is a weakness to ignore weaknesses, and most politicians certainly have some. You have to take the good with the bad, but you also have to talk honestly about those goods and bads. Otherwise we’re setting ourselves up for failure.

    Leviticus is laughing that of course Trump has generated a lot of hostility. He’s right that it shouldn’t be a surprise. Trump’s nomination was a hostile takeover of the GOP that didn’t want him. His election was a hostile takeover of a country that very badly did not want him to be president.

    But I prefer to just put the politics aside. What if Trump’s leadership gets people hurt, or corrodes our rights, or damages our nation? ‘But but but hillary!’ is not an acceptable excuse.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  564. Some of you are easily stampeded.

    If Bannon wanted Milo around–he’d still be at Breitbart. However–Breitbart and Bannon have one thing in common, they both want to go more mainstream.

    Looks like Bannon is getting rid of the ones that brought him. Milo was costing Bannon the most, therefore it’s Bannon that had the most reason to sweep him out.

    Rae Sremmurd (2fd998)

  565. Here’s your but. Overflowing Glory Hole Spillway at Lake Berryessa. [YouTube]

    found during search for what? WRONG. This is featured on Bing’s homepage.

    Still no word on San Jose flooding though. SF vacation spot, in the off season, more important than.

    Amusing.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  566. Keep on peeing in the Free World.

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  567. papertiger,

    That is an awesome video. We need submersible drones so they can fly right in there!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  568. @550 papertiger

    The third rail is the lightest, baby I know.

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  569. Has anyone seen the latest fad called a pedal bar? 20 people literally pedal a bar around downtown and get drunk. HTF is that legal when I can’t buy wine here on Sunday?

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  570. thanks, papertiger.

    mg (31009b)

  571. Heck, I don’t even need to rig a box truck. Grinder is basically hooking LGBT people up with bathrooms we just need to find businesses that actually consent to certain activities on their premises. Peemobile sounds pretty gay anyway.

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  572. I may have mixed up a gay Palin hater with an 80’s heart throb.

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  573. FDR: a chicken in every pot.

    BHO: a tranny in every bathroom.

    Pinandpuller (26a91f)

  574. 384, they have that contraption in Milwaukee. That’s probably how the Reince Ryan Dairy Farmer backscratch mafia hashes stuff out.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  575. Did somebody say purge? Richard Spencer expelled from CPAC — organizer denounces alt.cuckoo-cuckoo. On the heels of Milo’s departure. Das ist gut! Sehr gut!

    nk (dbc370)

  576. Malignant Dwarf: First Trump Lied About Sweden Having an Immigration Problem, Then His Lies Sparked Immigrants to Sweden to Begin Rioting
    —Ace

    Yes that must certainly be it.

    It seems Robert Reich has deleted the tweet (or at least it’s gone missing, at least for me), but here was his pronouncement:

    Trump’s lies have consequences. 48 hrs after his comments on Sweden, riots broke out in an immigrant community. https://t.co/1k2BOl2jdw
    — Robert Reich (@RBReich) February 21, 2017

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368545.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  577. Perhaps the conservative movement is realizing that just because Trump won does not mean it’s a good idea to latch on to the alt-right movement.

    I doubt Trump would be anywhere without the help of millions of democrats in the primary, or billions in free media. They didn’t realize Hillary was going to lose anyway. Which would be funnier if the stakes weren’t so high.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  578. Chris Cuomo conflates 12 year old girl with #NeverStrumpets… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368549.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  579. ^^^^Shorter versionHe wasted his vote on Hillary. He has a sad.^^^^

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  580. 579. Is Miller next to go, or will he play the J card?

    urbanleftbehind (fd7777)

  581. Yes there was a credentialed fascist, harvard educated banker and foreign service officer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  582. Sort vof a reverse David chapelle story
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/apr/04/usa.race

    narciso (d1f714)

  583. 566. Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/23/2017 @ 2:07 pm

    McMuffin ran for President. Did he ever release his taxes?

    He probably did, but nobody in the major media paid any attention to it. They never do.

    Ah, here it is:

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/evanmcmullin/pages/876/attachments/original/1477013881/EMTaxReturn-2015-Redacted-Final-PUBLIC.pdf?1477013881

    It seems his first name is actually David. He had less than 51 cents of interest from banks.

    This is his 2014 tax return:

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/evanmcmullin/pages/876/attachments/original/1477013883/EMTaxReturn-2014-Redacted-Final-PUBLIC.pdf?1477013883

    He had a capital gains loss of $27, caused by selling 4 shares of Goldman Sachs for $644 on February 27, 2014, which he had bought on January 27, 2014 for $671. What was that all about?

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  584. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/23/2017 @ 4:33 pm

    I doubt Trump would be anywhere without the help of millions of democrats in the primary,

    I think the only contested races Trump won were closed primaries in states with small Republican parties where the Republican Party always lost. His votes didn’t come from Democats, although in some sates, where you culdre-register late, some Democrats regisered Republican.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  585. One thing – Trump is not the leader or he co-leader of a political machine that’s also probably a criminal conspiracy.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  586. Re # 597, he’s in The inaugural class alongside J Edgar Hoover, Babe Ruth and Chester A. Arthur.

    urbanleftbehind (fd7777)

  587. 588. Pinandpuller (26a91f) — 2/23/2017 @ 4:11 pm

    FDR: a chicken in every pot.

    That was Herbert Hoover’s slogan in 1928.

    A chicken in every pot, and two cars in every garage.

    https://research.archives.gov/#/id/187095

    Maybe it was just one car. And actually Hoover didn’t really say that. Or he did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK0BehLmxQs

    And I think “A chicken in every pot” (without the car) was earlier McKinley’s slogan in 1896.

    And they say it goes back to King Henry IV 13 December 1553 – 14 May 1610, King from 1589, who said Paris is worth a mass.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)

  588. 599.

    Florida has closed primaries. I seem to remember the GOP contest was won by el Donald.

    kishnevi (6fbba2)

  589. If you think the media will give up its stranglehold on this country without a fight, you’ve got another thing coming.

    I’ve paraphrased a bit, but that was a decent representation of a pearl that Steve Bannon shared today…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  590. nice catch Sammy

    McMuffin sounds like a real churner and burner.

    Maybe I was thinking of a democrat majority on every court.

    Two cars in every garage reminded me of something. I read Leon Jaworsky’s book Crossroads (pretty sure). At one point he was talking to German POW’s in America. Their overview of the US was the houses were crummy and the cars in front were all shiny and new. Reminds me a little of Sec 8.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  591. In light of this new information, I propose McMuffin’s new improved nickname be Dirty Deeds.

    Dirty Deeds (done dirt cheap) McMullin, if you ever have to print up the business cards.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  592. Dirty Deeds Dave ~ he earned it.

    Update address books accordingly.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  593. “Anyone who has read Vox Day’s grim and insightful SJWs ALWAYS LIE will recognize this ritual at once. After the ritual denunciation of the unperson, the warren gathers together for a ritual triumph, and marches in lockstep around the city thrice, flourishing the effigy of their foe’s severed heads on pikestaffs, pretending victory.
    Is it victory? We shall see. Much depends on Milo’s grit, which, in times past, has been admirable, even remarkable.
    In the meanwhile, the mock outrage of the artificially generated scandal based on a lie has had the predictable effect of generating more book sales for Milo (and, as it happens, for me).”

    http://www.scifiwright.com/2017/02/milo-and-the-bookstore/

    Colonel Haiku (dab36f)

  594. Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 2/23/2017 @ 7:33 pm

    McMuffin sounds like a real churner and burner.

    You mean in the stock market?

    Goldman Sachs was the only stock in which he had either a capital gain or a capital loss in 2014 or 2015, and he gotout of it after a month. And 4 shares is an odd lot. He might have bought other stocks and held them. He had $43 in dividends in 2014 and $46 in 2015.

    He had rental income (or rather a loss of $4,578 in 2014 from 2 properties) For 2015, tax law allows him to report an income of $0 from rental real estate.

    Sammy Finkelman (b32091)


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