President Trump Takes Steps To “Enforce Strongly” The Laws Of The United States
[guest post by Dana]
As we all know, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign drew huge numbers of voters who were elated by his promise to reform immigration in our country and to “Build that Wall!” Today he took steps to move on that promise:
President Trump signed a pair of executive actions Wednesday to begin ramping up immigration enforcement, including a new border wall with Mexico, vowing that construction on his chief campaign pledge would begin in months.
The presidential directives signed Wednesday aim to create more detention centers, add more federal border control agents and withhold federal funds to cities that do not comply with federal immigration laws. One order calls for the “immediate construction of a physical wall.”
“I’m asking all of you to enforce the laws of the United States. They will be enforced and enforced strongly.”
“We’re going to restore the rule of law in the United States…A nation without borders is not a nation. Beginning today, the United States of America gets back control of its borders. You guys are about to be very, very busy doing your job [as] you want to.”
Excellent!
According to President Trump, the planning is starting immediately, and construction will begin as soon as it is feasible.
Significant provisions in the order include, but are not limited to: broadening enforcement policies, allow States to “perform the functions of immigration officers in relation to investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States,” enable the hiring of 10,000 law enforcement officers with current allocations and make declared sanctuary cities ineligible to receive federal grants. Further, “the initial work of planning construction will be covered by $100 million in appropriations left over in a DHS account.”
While a whole lot of Americans will no doubt support these steps to enforce our immigration laws and protect our boundaries, there are those who are flipping out – embarrassingly so:
Oh, really????
As a result of today’s actions by President Trump, President Nieto of Mexico, who was scheduled to make a visit to the U.S. next week, is reconsidering whether he will grace our nation with his presence.
And, in a bit of irony, in related news concerning national security, immigrants entering the U.S., and protecting Americans, there was this report today :
Federal agents are reinvestigating the backgrounds of dozens of Syrian refugees already in the United States after discovering a lapse in vetting that allowed some who had potentially negative information in their files to enter the country, two U.S. law enforcement officials said.
Agents have not concluded that any of the refugees should have been rejected for entry, but the apparent glitch — which was discovered in late 2015 and corrected last year — prevented U.S. officials who conducted background checks on the refugees from learning about possible “derogatory” information about them, the two officials said. At a minimum, the intelligence would have triggered further investigation that could have led some asylum applications to be rejected.
The refugees whose cases are under review include one who failed a polygraph test when he applied to work at a U.S. military installation overseas and another who may have been in communication with an Islamic State leader, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.
Amusingly, this is how the LAT spins reports the numbers because they assume you couldn’t figure out the counter of them:
The vast majority pose no threat, officials say. Nearly half of the Syrians admitted since 2011 were under the age of 14, and more than half are female.
–Dana
This is good.
Dana (023079) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:28 pmThis is indeed good.
nk (dbc370) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:33 pmThis is excellent. Part of my problem with Trump is his history on the left and I never took his promises on immigration (or anything else) seriously. I’m glad with this first step for sure.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:37 pmFinally, a President intent on fulfilling his campaign promises.
felipe (023cc9) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:42 pmThe decision to terminate funding to sanctuary cities is terrific. It’s also bound to get ugly.
Dana (023079) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:42 pmLike the border wall with Guatemala, reinforced with the Mexican army.?
narciso (d1f714) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:43 pmHow wary are you because he didn’t mention DACA in today’s speech?
Dana (023079) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:44 pmThis does not reflect New York values.
Governor Andrew Cuomo at the real nk (dbc370) — 1/25/2017 @ 6:47 pmPresident Trump Takes Steps To “Enforce Strongly” The Laws Of The United States
“Give George a headline and he’s good for another thirty miles.” – Omar Bradley [Karl Malden] ‘Patton’ 1970
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:07 pmDaca and immediate nuclear family is small tradeoff. Either that or hes letting them finish the academic year. Is the clarifier “declared” sanctuary cities yours or his? If its his that lets a lot of functionally but not declared ones off of the hook.
urbanleftbehind (e45a83) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:08 pmI imagine San Francisco and new York are dead in the bullesye
narciso (d1f714) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:10 pmKick them in the teeth, President Mr Donald!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:13 pmIn Chicago (city proper), I could see them doing what theyre there for and realizing they should have been sent for another much larger problem.
urbanleftbehind (e45a83) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:14 pmDO IT MR DONALD! YESSS!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:15 pmNarciso,
SoCal would be my guess. It has the largest concentration of illegals in the US coupled with plenty of space for cheap detention centers. Arizona is going to be quite cheerful about having local LE help out in the roundups.
Rick Ballard (1c0700) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:21 pmCan you stand another presidential inauguration photo? Yes, I think you can. I love how little the visuals of this event have changed over the years (even though the ceremony is now on the west side of the building). I love how recognizable and familiar this photo looks to our eyes even though it was taken almost 156 years ago.
http://vaviper.blogspot.com/2017/01/photograph-of-lincolns-first.html
elissa (32535b) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:22 pm“Dana” can snark about the ACLU all she wants, but it won’t keep them and their many powerful allies from trying to tie the Wall and Trump’s other grand plans up in the courts. They have a lot of experience with that. The guy who helped Trump craft his exec orders has consistently lost to the ACLU, including when the ACLU tied up his SB1070 for six years and gutted it.
You’re probably thinking I’m an amnesty fan, when – as a glance at my site and my posts on Malkin’s old immigration blog will show – the opposite is the case. I just want to solve the problem in smart ways that work. Not in ways that play right into the hands of the ACLU.
24AheadDotCom (7d114f) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:23 pmExcept Stephen Miller probably drafted thos plan, not kobach, besides its a different methodology.
narciso (d397ac) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:31 pm==How wary are you because he didn’t mention DACA in today’s speech?==
Every time a reporter from telemundo or some such has asked about DACA during the Daily White House Press Briefing over the past 3 days, Spicer has said that there are priorities which must dealt with in order of urgency–and dealing with the most dangerous people who are here illegally and acting criminally and are being harbored must be addressed first. That sounds right to me. My guess is that eventually the administration will make some concessions about DACA. But it doesn’t hurt to keep them in limbo for a while AFAIAC.
elissa (32535b) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:40 pmGreetings:
I hope someone up there didn’t find this too upsetting.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:45 pmBuild a detention center in Palm Springs. Next to a golf course.
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:46 pmRe Gregory forte, the range of offenses that qualify is large?
narciso (d1f714) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:51 pmThe ACLU is only interested in the Chamber of Commerce having a constant flow of cheap labor to keep wages low and increase the gap between poor and wealthy in the US. I bet the CoC are the ACLU’s biggest benefactor now. The Unions who expressed support for Trump should be fighting back against the ACLU and other cheap labor advocates if they want credibility. But something tells me the unions aren’t really interested in increasing the value of labor for all citizen workers.
jcurtis (89261c) — 1/25/2017 @ 7:57 pmDifferent objectives much like repreave and cage, in the UK, they see thepotential for organizing and agitating
narciso (d1f714) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:08 pmIf you are referring to the trades by the term “Trump-supporting unions”, the upper skills trades – electricians, iron workers – might also have interest in keeping costs for drywallers and painters low. They would never admit this, but I could see this being impressed upon them by builders and other project generators.
urbanleftbehind (e45a83) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:22 pmACLU opposes emigration reform. They probably support selective-child, too.
nn (6e1d51) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:27 pmDon’t underestimate the anti-native factions, they’re Pro-Choice, but twilight smart, and fiscally motivated.
nn (6e1d51) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:31 pmFor Elissa
Kishnevi (a77570) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:34 pmhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19094867
Thank you Kishnevi–great find. I am fascinated by this stuff. I guess you are, too.
elissa (32535b) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:44 pmThe wall violates civil liberties? And what liberty is that?
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:47 pmAnd re: the Lincoln inaugural photographs, it’s so important to remember that at these early inaugurations there was no equipment to enhance sound so the people in attendance didn’t know what was being said in the speeches until a printed copy was available and passed out. But they Knew something important–a constitutional rite– was taking place and they wanted to witness it.
elissa (32535b) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:53 pmAnd whose civil liberties??
Dana (023079) — 1/25/2017 @ 8:53 pmOrdering the construction of a 2000 mile long wall costing tens of billions without congressional appropriation of the money involved is (further) grounds for impeachment. I’ll add it to the list.
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law”
In truth, of course, it is just a con, foisted on his gullible supporters. No construction is going to happen that wasn’t already happening.
Dave (711345) — 1/25/2017 @ 9:20 pmDave, your anger may elicit a heart attack.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/25/2017 @ 9:25 pmTake it easy, bro.
A cup of hot chamomile tea before bed might be soothing.
Of course Patterico has been saying for well over a year that Trump would never build the wall, and anyone who believed he would is a chump…
Pity. I liked this blog much better when Patterico was sane.
EV (e5375a) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:00 pmBagdad Bob begets Denial Dave.
Changing chain link to concrete doesn’t require an alchemist.
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:05 pmI’m not sure why you always insult Trump’s critics and say their calmed and reasoned points are freak-outs. It’s getting pretty boring and predictable, much like the 65 million times you said ‘binary choice’. Try a new insult out once in a while.
And Dave makes a great point. I’m very glad to see Trump taking leadership on immigration, but to actually fulfill his promise we will need a substantial act of congress. I’m hoping if Trump enjoys enough support for this effort he will follow through. It’s too bad instead of responding to his ideas you attacked him personally.
Just look at Cruz Supporter and EV. Trump’s fans make it a lot harder to support him. Dividers. Small, bitter, unhappy people.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:07 pmThe hysterics on the left if Trump actually lives up to his word will be the most entertaining thing about the next four years. But hopefully we see a reduction in crime, and an improvement in jobs, and the hysterics begin to be drowned out by sense. Just imagine if all the politicians realized they needed to support this stuff to keep their offices, because of the material improvements in our country.
Is he wrong somehow? You didn’t say. You just insulted him. Trump reversing Obama’s executive orders on immigration is a great thing and I credit him. To actually build the wall he will need to fund it. I think if Americans praise the direction taken here, that will encourage congress.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:12 pm37. Thats also the problem with White Sox fandom and believe me the Cub fanbase now has sufficient wind in their sails to call them on their bs.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:16 pmI have the same problem. The Rangers are the only Dallas area team I can support, and not really. Dallas fans are almost as bad as LA fans.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:21 pmThe ACLU goes through phases. It started as a Socialist organization, if not an outright Communist front. It came into the light during the Civl Rights era, and did good work right through the Nixon era, including holding its nose and defending the civl rights of those pox raddled Nazi marchers (violating a Nazi’s rights lets him play the ‘oppressed’ card. Mocking the little toad is the way to go.). But with the Reagan era, as with so much of the once non-deranged Left, the ACLU went completely bonkers, and stayed there. There have been one or two local chapters that have stood up against real rights violations, and some of them have been threatened by the National organization for it. Haven’t seen anything like that since roughly 2001, though.
Pity.
The thing I resent most about the Progressive Left is how they poison otherwise good causes. Environmental degradation is a real issue … just not the way they play it, to pick just one egregious example.
C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:42 pmDave at #33 – For full implementation, DJT must have billions appropriated, as you suggest.
To get started? He is drawing on DHS accounts to the tune of $150 million in counter-terrorism funds already allotted. Speaker Ryan has affirmed this usage is within Congressional intent.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:43 pmDave,
There was a 2006 law passed by Congress that authorized the wall. In 2008 they shortened the number of miles to the wall. Hasn’t the money already been authorized?
Tanny O'Haley (c674c7) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:48 pmNo construction is going to happen that wasn’t already happening.
Dave (711345) — 1/25/2017 @ 9:20 pm
So if Trump finally gets the new Wall/Fence built across the border we should thank Bush for signing the Secure Fence Act of 2006?
I’m sure that he can get Ryan to put $4 billion in a homeland security bill to kick things off. Then, CJ Roberts calls a fence a wall. Or a wall a fence. So confusing.
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:50 pmDustin
Here’s Denial Dave standing in front of Trump’s Wall: “You didn’t build that!”
Sound familiar? How is that insulting?
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 10:51 pmI think that what I’m trying to say is: Trump hasn’t not built the wall yet.
Don’t presidents usually send Congress a budget?
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 11:08 pmCruz Supporter
Did you know that your concern for fellow commenter’s health is actually an insult?
Pinandpuller (e6663e) — 1/25/2017 @ 11:09 pmPinandpuller,
I know a troll when I see one and I call them straight. You should try it. It’s called integrity!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 11:33 pmI am genuinely curious about this. Are you saying it has been authorized? I sincerely doubt that. But I’ll bite: how much money was authorized?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/25/2017 @ 11:40 pmTanny – You got hornswaggled, as did so many, by the GOPe who played us like the proverbial fiddle. The leadership, and W, (with, I believe, a considerable assist from McCain) made good and darn sure that the law was never going to be funded. They all got to crow about how they voted to build a fence.
It’s a time-honored scam.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/25/2017 @ 11:57 pmDana – How wary are you because he didn’t mention DACA in today’s speech?
scrutineer (e49623) — 1/26/2017 @ 12:19 amTrump had earlier planned to do things about immigration on Monday, but the massive demonstrations may have postponed things for two days.
I notice anything about DACA (Deferred action for Chilsgood Arrivals – so called executive amnesty) is missing from the list. Trump has made competing promises about that. Before he was inagurated here was reported to be abill in the works in Congress retifying that>
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/26/2017 @ 1:48 amThis means almost nothing.
He just instituted a small amount of planning for a “wall.” It can be built in some places without controversy – in other places there may be lawsuits, as eminent domain is involved.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/26/2017 @ 1:50 amExtra detention facilities need appropriations from Congress (which means this is also only plans) and courts have ruled that many cannot be detained indefinitely if they apply for asylum. Court dates now extend into the 2020s, so they must be released in most cases, especially if accompanied by minors.
Some cases will be prioritized. They may include people who committed crimes years ago and were paroled and released, years ago, but are now randomly caught up in the net, possibly because they applied for naturalization without consulting a lawyer first who would have told them not to do it, or possibly because of a traffic infraction in the wrong state. Or possibility people convicted of only document fraud (most cases are not prosecuted years ago.)
There aren’t enough real criminals to add up to really big numbers. But Trump may not really be interested in accumulating big numbers. He only wants to show actions and intentions.
Priority, as usual, will be given to returnees after deportation.
Some cases may be singled out merely because they are coming from new countries of origin or via less established smuggling routes, like Haitians coming from Brazil.
Nothing will get you away from the fact that there are only limited resources available, and they won’t be vastly increased.
He can always add a few border control agents – it seems from this like he’s exempting them from the hiring freeze he just imposed – but he can’t actually add many till he gets appropriations. Whatever he does, it won’t amount to much. He’s adding up to 10,000 and reducing the number of people in other jobs.
The withholding of federal funds is probably extremely limited. He’s not cuting off any funds from any states bt only taking baby steps in that direction. It is so limited that a big part of it is merely to create a list. Whatever he does, the states of New York and California, for instance, will not cave in, and some states, especially California, are now going to fund lawyers for most people facing deportation. This is heading, slowly, toward being an issue that dominates all others, like slavery in the 1850s. The country is divided on this, and more of it oppses this athan favors it.
If it results in any states being deprived of federal funds that they would otherwise get, members of Congress from those states, and Democrats in general, won’t vote for appropriations for many things, and will tie up Congress as much as they can. If they are not getting funds for X they won’t vote for Y, or any apprpriation bill. And it is not like their votes are not needed.
I’m not sure what he’s allowing state officers to do that they are not allowed to do now. Probably very little. The Obama Administration sued Arizona for interfering with their priorities, so that may be dropped. It still won’t guarantee any person they detain will be picked up by ICE.
I’m not sure what are the civil liberties the ACLU is talking about, but they may have in mind the idea of local people questioning people on immigration status. The executive order says nothing about that, although the ACLU may feel they will now have to sue more cities and counties. But there’s no great big movement to do more of this, and there’s political pressure in places like Arizona to do less.
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio was not re-elected last November. The state of Arizona as a whole saw a 5.5% shift in favor of the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016 as compared woth 212, which was counter to the national trend. (The Democrats made a great effort there too, of course)
Any place with large numbers of illegal immigrants also has large numbes of citizen children of illegal immigrants, and people who benefit economically from their presence, and see the economic loss caused by them leaving.
Trump seemed to repeat the canard about illegal immigrants being associated with crime, when actually crime is strongest among a subset of the population that has been here longer than just anybody else. Those illegal immigrants who are associated with crime were mostly brought here before age 12 and the cause of their criminal behavior is here.
I notice you didn’t mention some things that apparently he intends to do later. That is stopping teh Syrian refugee program, and halting for four months – or is it ony one month? – the granting of visas to people from some countries with terrorism. That does not seem to include Pakistan or Saudi Arabia but does includes Iraq. (the countries seem to be Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen) I’m not sure this is even based on the possibility of phony documents being issued from these countries. A one month review would be mostly for show since this is already being taken account of.
Although it’s true that the leadership of ISIS is from Iraq, some people very closely associated with the United States are also in Iraq, and it’s not like you have no way of telling people apart and the ISIS leadership is not likely to be carrying valid Iraqi documents or go anywhere near a U.S. embassy or consulate because of the liklihood we would know who they are.
There was one Iraqi bomb maker who went to Tennessee, but he had quit and was actually trying to get out of the (very dangerous for him) business but, once the connection was made, he was enticed by the FBI to resume – they were very interested in catching him in something since his fingerprints were on defused IUDs, meaning he had no doubt helped or tried to maim and kill U.S. soldiers as well as many Iraqis, sme of whom knew what he had done and where he had been; but it doesn’t mean he was so selflessly dedicated to terrorism that he would do it in any case and for nothing, so he actually was no danger since there was no terrorist organization here to recruit him.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/26/2017 @ 2:59 am49. There’s a difference between authorization and appropriation. Most expenditures need both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/26/2017 @ 3:07 amvicente fox is getting nuttier than shia le boofy-boof even
douchebag jack dorsey’s twatter seems to bring this out in people
happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:07 amWell his wife is running for the opposition party nomination
narciso (d1f714) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:11 amThats where a lack of electoral college hurts Mexico. Counterproductive loudmouths need only rack up votes among the plebe of DF, Guadalajara. The provinces and ranchos might want a more play ball and concoliatory president to soften the oncomung blows.The PAN ascendancy was squandered.
urbanleftbehind (636b63) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:36 amShia LaBeouf is much more convincing as a nutjob in his protests than he is as the characters he’s played in the movies.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:40 amKeep it simple. The President cannot touch the money of the government of the United States unless it has been appropriated by Congress. And he cannot touch money which has been appropriated if it has been earmarked for a particular purpose. He cannot dissolve the 8th Fleet and use its appropriation to build the wall, for example.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:57 amThat’s one reason Donald Trump says that Mexico will pay for the wall. Although, to bypass Congress, it would also have to cut the checks.
The latest from Trump:
One of the persons responding seems to have missed the inauguration.
The next tweet:
There is some talk in Mexico that president Enrique Peña Nieto should cancel his upcoming meeting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/americas/trump-mexico-border-wall.html
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:23 amLOL
Well stranger things have happened. I mean Trump was elected*.
But something tells me the world is getting ready to end this honeymoon phase and it’s going to be a painful four years. Just in time for a market correction.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:37 amDrew Carey’s 11 year old son ID’d as the kid who on live TV admitted to starting a fire outside a ball because “he felt like it” and said “screw our President”.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/drew-carey-son-screw-president-trump-protest-article-1.2956080
elissa (32535b) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:47 amwhy are hollywood people so trashy anymore
happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:58 amPrice is Right and Reason Hardest Hit
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:07 am11-year old boys do all kinds of naughty things.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:16 amDoes the kid have a slingshot to shoot out street lights with and a pocketknife to whittle his initials in school desks with?
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:18 amGreetings:
I still get a bit of my TV news from the France24 English language broadcasts. Overnight, it was showing some vides clips of a speech by El Presidente Piñata of the Estatos Undios Mexicanos wherein he talked about the bridges and walls and how one was muy bonito y el otro muy malo, the usual progressive claptrap. What was interesting to me was the look on his face. It was a look that I had seen several times before when someone was going to be separated from his lunch money in the very immediate future.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:22 am==Does the kid have a slingshot to shoot out street lights with and a pocketknife to whittle his initials in school desks with?==
Nah, that’s old school, nk.
Does anybody wonder where Drew and his wife actually were at the time? Or even worse, were they watching it all and thinking it was OK and going to be cute when their Dennis the Menace look alike was interviewed on live TV in the middle of a night time protest?
elissa (32535b) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:27 amGreetings:
Jesus taught with parables. I ain’t no Jesus.
He was living in a desirable suburban community, single-family, two-story homes on quarter-acre plots. Living in the middle of the block, he had neighbors on both side. His neighbor to the south moved and a couple of weeks later, a two-parent, three-children family moved into the home. A couple of weeks later, he came home from work to find one of the children on his front lawn. He didn’t make anything of it. A couple of weeks even later, he came home to find all of the children playing on the same bit of lawn.That weekend he had a discussion with the male parental unit in hopes of ending those behaviors. The next week, he came home from work to find one of the children eating an apples under his apple tree. The following week, he found all three of the children eating apples under his apple tree so he again complained about their behavior. The next week he saw the three children heading home with their shirts full of his apples. He then decided that he would have no peace unless he fenced-in his property.
Who should pay for that fencing ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:32 am==Dave at #33 – For full implementation, DJT must have billions appropriated, as you suggest.==
Great. One less concern for you, Dave, Dustin and others.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mcconnell-ryan-congress-pay-trumps-12b-border-wall/story?id=45063195
elissa (32535b) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:34 amWas that really Drew Carey’s son?
What a little punk. How disappointing, although we should be clear that Drew isn’t a left wing kook.
Drew is openly libertarian/conservative and a former Corporal in the Marine Corps, or Marine Corpse, in Barack-speak! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:48 amHe supported Gary Johnson in 2016.
Aw, gimme a break. If my daughter had done that at age 11, I would have laughed. Possibly told her that the Fifth Amendment is not only a Constitutional right but also good advice. Her mother would have scolded her if she burned holes in her clothes from flying sparks, though.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:53 amNow, these scolding I agree with.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:01 amDustin
I had a wikipedia page pulled up before I posted. I believe the initial appropriation was $1.3 billion.
Maybe there are still some of the people around who rebuilt the freeway after the Northridge earthquake. People that can make stuff happen. I guess it depends on how many people like living in Third World rubble.
Pinandpuller (c77974) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:18 amDrew Carey’s son is going to be featured on Law and Order SVU.
“Donk Donk”
I was just listening to an interview of MMA fighter Jeff Monson who describes himself as a “libertarian anarchist”.
Sounds like Drew’s kid has been working out at his dojo.
I think Clint Eastwood proved in Pale Rider that you shouldn’t play with matches.
Pinandpuller (c77974) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:23 ammatches are no good to play with cause of you can burn the house down and all your starwars get meltered
happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:33 amSupposedly Drew Carey has a copy of Jerry Lewis’ unreleased movie The Day the Clown Cried. There’s no telling how messed up that kid could be.
Pinandpuller (c77974) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:33 amMexico?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:36 am. He then decided that he would have no peace unless he fenced-in his property.
Which fence any self respecting kid will climb over, wiggle under, or go around. In real life, you would eventually call the cops.
Which is reason Trump’s wall will not work. People who want to get into this country will find a way. Merely making it harder only impacts the margins.
You want fewer undocumented Mexicans here? Then an actually effective policy would be making it easier to get here legally and doing things so that staying in Mexico is more appealing than it is. In terms of your parable, plant apple trees in your neighbor’s yard, or agree with the kids that they can eat your apples if they mow your lawn for you every week.
Or call the cops, which works out to substantial increase in Border Patrol and ICE, and which I have no problem with.
Who should pay for that fencing ???
Kishnevi (1c16da) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:46 amYou and only you.
In the same way that the local thugs are not the people who pay for your home alarm system or the gun you keep for self-defense.
no fair wiggling under
happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:50 amI once set my moms sheets hanging on the clothes line on fire. Didn’t anticipate it turning into a conflagration.
Dad was none too pleased. After dousing, the situation escalated quickly to my behind getting a thorough tanning.
Cured me of fire starting.
papertiger (c8116c) — 1/26/2017 @ 10:15 amGreetings, Kishnevi: ( @ 80 (1c16da) – 1/26/2017 @ 9:46 am )
“If I could stick a knife in my heart
And spill it all over the page
Would it satisfy ya, would it slide on by ya
Would you think the boy is strange?
Ain’t he strange?”
I appreciate your announced faith in our police, they don’t seem to get much support these benighted days but if they don’t see it you probably just wasted your dime. Climbing into Mommy’s and Daddy’s pocketbook, I think is much more likely to have the desired effect. Your “thug” argument fails gloriously due to the lack of knowing who the thug “be”.
As to your kowtows of easier “legal” entry, etc., sure “Why not ???” all the other extra-legal kowtows have produced glorious results, no ??? And I guess I would be expected to pay for those apples trees that don’t grow on trees ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/26/2017 @ 10:15 am“A major diplomatic rift; a crisis, I dare say, between the United States and Mexico!… This crisis is not going to end soon!” – Wolf Blitzer, Drama Queen, CNN.
This is a crisis? No.
This is CNN.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/26/2017 @ 11:03 amIs Mexico threatening to invade some more? Ho hum.
papertiger (c8116c) — 1/26/2017 @ 11:14 amMexico is the USA’s fourth largest trading partner. They are a nation that has a sense of dignity. I am embarrassed that our president told them to forget a meeting if they won’t pay for a wall that is intended to benefit our country (our wealthier country).
We’ll see how it plays out. It’s a bully tactic, but bullies sometimes win in the short term.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 1/26/2017 @ 1:47 pm@Dustin:I am embarrassed that our president told them to forget a meeting if they won’t pay for a wall that is intended to benefit our country (our wealthier country).
Since the Mexican government encourages its poorest citizens to break our immigration laws, and assists them in doing so, as well as encouraging its own illegals to go north, I don’t think it is really unfair to demand they defray the costs.
Granted it is probably not realistic.
It is also true that we are a very large trading partner for them, we also have a sense of dignity. but what we don’t do is encourage and assist our citizens to illegally live and work in their country.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 1/26/2017 @ 1:58 pm==They are a nation that has a sense of dignity.==
They are also, unfortunately, a nation which has a sense of corruption, lawlessness and violence. One must keep in the back of one’s mind that Nieto will not be leading Mexico after the 2018 election. There are three major political parties in Mexico, PRI, PAN and PRD. This article is not long and some readers may find it useful to better understand how the political parties and presidential politics in Mexico are stacking up.
https://www.canninghouse.org/canningpaperjuly15chapter5/
elissa (678523) — 1/26/2017 @ 2:13 pmRemember the Alamo.
“Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.” JFK, 1/20/61
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/26/2017 @ 2:13 pmIf only America had the same tough southern border with Mexico that Mexico has with its southern border with Guatemala! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/26/2017 @ 2:23 pmDCSCA actually complimentary of Texans?
Elissa, if the elections were sooner down there, I think a fourth “suck-up” party could win. A party that wouldnt petulantly refuse to pay for the wall, realizing the grave danger forced economic isolation would pose, and come up with a 9-9-9 plan to pay. One that would want existing jobs protected. There’s probably greater support away from the cities and in places where exports hold sway. it would continue to look away on drugs, but as Col. Haiku used to say “pull the damn needle out of your arm”.
urbanleftbehind (636b63) — 1/26/2017 @ 2:45 pm“I am embarrassed that our president told them to forget a meeting if they won’t pay for a wall that is intended to benefit our country (our wealthier country).”
It is not our problem that Mexico is such a hellhole that its citizens illegally come to our country. It is their problem and they have been shucking their problem off onto us. Their lack of controlling their people from coming here (actually, they encourage it) makes them responsible for it — that’s why they should pay for it.
“I am embarrassed that our president told them to forget a meeting if they won’t pay for a wall…”
You don’t know much about how countries deal with one another, do you. There is a certain … asymmetry in play between one country which is highly dependent on the trade between them and one country which isn’t. In a word, they need us more than we need them.
If they didn’t have Mexican illegally coming here, there would be no need for a wall. Note that there is no call for a wall on the Canada border. The Mexican government could stop the problem. But they are unwilling to, thus they have to pay for their willful negligence.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 1/26/2017 @ 3:37 pm“86. Mexico … They are a nation that has a sense of dignity.”
Really? What level of dignity is there in being a country that is so hellish that your citizens would illegally go to another country in order to find work and to send money back to their family so that they can survive?
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 1/26/2017 @ 3:41 pmHeard on the radio that Vincente Fox reiterated that Mexico will never pay for “that F***ing wall”.
That it will be an enormous waste of American taxpayer money. That it won’t work for keeping border jumpers out//\\,.
Kind of reminded me of Chuck Schumer or the New York Times offering helpful tips for a GOP campaign plank.
papertiger (c8116c) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:11 pmGreetings, papertiger: ( @ 94 (c8116c) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:11 pm )
Senor Fox sounds like he’s working through a serious case of Coke withdrawal.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/26/2017 @ 6:44 pm11B40
My neighbor keeps letting three Shetland ponies run buck wild through my “holler” and I’m tired of them pooping on my lawn. Can I charge him for Airsoft pellets and green gas?
pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:14 pmPena nieto seems to be stepping on black cats constantly, he was supped to be the kennedyesque face of the dinosaur pri, but he has run into a bout of bad luck, he ran promoting an obamaesque truce to the war against the cartels, put they didn’t oblige, there was the echoes of 68, the murder of the students in iguala which may have been committed by his own security forces, he was begging from the Chinese when that happened. Then came the capture of El chapo which opened a full on cartel onslaught.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:21 pmThen came the razorback like in kind contribution from a major developer to the first lady, they were later tied to the Panama papers.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:24 pmHe didush for some important reforms in education and deregulation of state oil company, but that has been lost, one of the reporters they had forced to be fired, turned plagiarism 25 years ago, and then the sudden removal of all gas subsidies caused a social explosion, is he’s not really focused right now.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:28 pmBrandon derby,follows an itetsting a gale, sitting that blogger I mentioned
narciso (d1f714) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:55 pmEPN is just dumb, and Marco Rubio reminds me too much of him. We should be thankful the younger versions of Fox and Tillerson never got together. We would be getting our change in Ameros.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:49 pmHe shouldn’t drive operate heavy machinery as for Sr. Fox…
narciso (f12c96) — 1/26/2017 @ 8:58 pm@96 narciso
Well, Mexico did get six years of bad luck.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:02 pmSo it would seem, every one of these spring surprises have been goose egg
narciso (f12c96) — 1/26/2017 @ 9:06 pmGreetings, pinandpuller: ( @ 96 (16b0b5) — 1/26/2017 @ 7:14 pm )
You sure stumped me with that one. I don’t know nothing about any Airsoft anything. But my sweetheart has a couple of recipes that you may find useful.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 1/27/2017 @ 8:07 amWhat’s lost here is that much of the derogatory information really doesn’t matter, (it’s like the derogatory information tthat can stop anyone from being able to legally buy a gun) although you have the possibility that some people came to avoid punishment or retaliation, like some did in going to Europe. If anyone has real information about ISIS, they should be offered expungement if they come clean, and swear loyalty on video,
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/29/2017 @ 12:50 pmGabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 1/26/2017 @ 1:58 pm
Maybe they might, in exchange for making it legal.
But what Trump advocates is pretty close to demanding tribute from another country. They get nothing in return.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 1/29/2017 @ 12:53 pm