Predictions for a Trump Presidency
Get your predictions for a Trump presidency in now!
Here are a few of my own:
We’ll get great Supreme Court justices. No, really. Donald Trump doesn’t care about the Court. He’ll do whatever the Federalist Society wants him to.
We’ll get a giant spending bill for “infrastructure.” It will end up being pork pork porkity pork. Legislators never turn up their noses at that. #pleaseclap
He won’t repeal ObamaCare. This will be filibustered and McConnell won’t resort to the nuclear option.
There will never be a wall along our entire Mexican border. Some more money will be allocated for expanding the existing fence, and some of it will be transformed into a “wall” instead of a fence, with great fanfare and pictures of the big beautiful wall.
The GOP will finally pass some form of amnesty bill. They have wanted to forever. Now they can.
Big, beautiful, classy executive power grabs. You’re gonna love ’em.
He will make a large foreign policy mistake. After all, he knows nothing about it.
Trumpers can discount my predictions because I didn’t call the election for Trump. I got that one wrong; no doubt about it. But I wasn’t as far off as you think. I did say: “Trump’s strength will surprise many.” I did predict the GOP would hold the Senate. My electoral count for Hillary was close (275-263) — and my popular vote prediction, having Hillary slightly up, is still looking pretty good. It’s still looking like Trump got fewer votes than Mitt Romney. So, a little less triumphalism from the Trumpers, please. Let’s see what their starry-eyed predictions for his Presidency are. In four years, we’ll see who is wrong then.
And the rest of you weigh in too! Get ’em in early!
[Cross-posted at RedState.]
Look for him to be tested in the international arena some time during the summer of 2017. Provocation from either China or Russia. His response will set the tone for the rest of his tenure in office.
I like the idea of a filibuster. But make the Dems actually stand up in the Senate and talk for hours on end, don’t just chicken out if a cloture vote fails. And don’t do any business whatsoever until this issue is addressed. I love the idea of government doing absolutely nothing for weeks.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:10 ami think he’ll be a good one not pooper
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:13 amPredictions for a Trump Presidency
In summation:
“But look at who you’re talking to. I can’t predict $hit.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:17 amPatterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:39 pm
Given my utter failure in predicting the election outcome, I believe I’ll focus on waiting for the initial outcome of the Trump University fraud trials. It’s sure be amusing and entertaining.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:20 amTrump’s cabinet will resemble a cross between Warren Harding’s collection of rapacious cronies and the gerontocracy of the Soviet Politburo circa 1986. These advisors will all spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow because at their ages, that can certainly be all too true. The younger generation will become more and more disillusioned with politics and the politicians whose messes they will have to pay for in the coming decades.
If America is lucky, it will end the same way as Harding’s administration did. Ivanka will be reading the latest approval poll numbers as Trump says “That’s good. Go on, read some more.”
I can see Mike Pence as a modern day Calvin Coolidge.
NC Mountain Girl (a5abe4) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:20 amor Reconciliation that was used to pass it in the first place.
Paul L. (f102db) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:21 amMaybe I’m just remembering the ones that occur early in a Presidency, but it seems there’s been a pattern of provocations during the first months of a new administration:
WTC bombing, Feburary, 1993
China and the US recon plane, June, 2001
Terrorist attacks, September, 2001
Note that Islamic terrorists didn’t stage a large attack in the early months of Obama’s first term. We can thank Bush for dismantling a big chuck of terrorist networks, which probably prevented this from happening.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:24 am5. Nice!! I cant stand it when a lot of the liberals, particularly the LGBT crowd recoils from a President Pence – thats a group that I think flips to net vote neutral numbers in a 2020 election, simply if Trump lives and shows no signs of health problems. That seeking of mandate will probably have him hold horse on Supreme Court nominees.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:29 am1. Crushed ISIS– plan from JCOS in 30 days.
2. Special Prosecutor- don’t forget, lock her up.
3. Infrastructure. Planes, trains and automobiles– oh yes, there’s talk of a wall.
4. Lunch. Cheeseburger, fries, Diet Coke.
5. Trade. Everything’s negotiable.
6. Iran. North Korea. Russia. Everything’s negotiable.
7. NATO members. Pay up. Start w/Germany and France. Non-negotiable.
8. SCOTUS, toss conservatives their bone to keep the pups distracted.
9. Exec. orders. Revise, reject where appropriate.
10. Immigration- report and deport.
11. Dinner. Cheeseburger, fries, Diet Coke.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:35 amI don’t know what you’re like in real life, DCSCA, or what your angle is on this site, but I find your comments to be repulsive.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:37 amHarding was a good president, one of the best of the 20th century. Coolidge simply carried on his legacy.
I spoke yesterday to a friend who’s a big LGBTQWERTY activist, and mentioned Trump’s upcoming legal problems, and he said he didn’t know how to feel about that because he dreaded the prospect of Pence so much. He told me that Pence was as anti-gay as it was possible to be.
Does anyone know whether there’s any truth to that? Wading through the movement propaganda sites is not helpful, because they call everything homophobic, whether it is or isn’t. Principled support for freedom of expression is now “homophobia”. Merely being a Republican is “homophobia”. So I can’t tell whether there really is anything to be concerned about in that regard.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:49 am@10…’I find your comments to be repulsive.’
Gee, you got me pegged:
“Two days. Two days until this sh*t-show wraps. Please… please. Sweet mother of mercy, let this revolting thing conclude. I can’t stand to see so many people beating their heads against a brick wall in a discussion that DCSCA (of all people) has had pegged from the get-go (as one can tell from how proud he is of himself, spam and all).
Leviticus (012305) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:10 pm”
‘NBC, Proud as a peacock!” -NBC TV promo tag
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:49 amDon’t be too bitter Patterico. Ted was my guy too, but alas it wasn’t to be. I firmly believe, however, we are just now starting to see the “real” Trump. His behavior over the last couple of days has been exemplary. That tells me he was playing a role and played it well enough to win the Presidency when few thought he could. No doubt he will disappoint sometimes, even Reagan did. With a country of almost 400 million people, who could claim that Trump fully represents their desires in a President?
I have a feeling that inside of 6 months or so there will be a lot of intellectually honest people who were completely opposed to Trump’s candidacy who have to say to themselves “hmm, maybe this isn’t so bad…”
For the intellectually dishonest, it will be business as usual. LITERALLY HITLER!!!!
Skeptical Enlightenment (01a2f5) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:52 amLeviticus, you remember this odd duck from before, right?
Eventually he will go away again.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:52 amTheres some sort of meme that Pence supported electroschock conversion therapy, in addition to his religious freedom legislation.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:53 amPrediction: He’ll be foolish enough to forward an enemies list to the IRS, asking for them to be given the same treatment that the IRS gave conservatives during the Clinton and 0bama admins. Every woman who’s accused him, every prominent #nevertrumper. The IRS will refuse, and will gleefully leak the request, providing grounds for impeachment.
In a shock move, he’ll make a deal with the Democrats to block it.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:53 amIf he delivers on #1 – the Courts…not just SCOTUS but the District Courts as well…most everything else pales into insignificance…and most everything else will eventually fall into place.
– A Goldwater,Reagan conservative activist who proudly voted for what some relative latecomers to the Conservative Movement called “a piece of human filth”.
Bill Saracino (e4d3a0) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:54 am“Conversion therapy” is junk science, but it does not involve electroshocks! And in 2000 it wasn’t as clear as it is now that it was junk science. The people clutching their pearls about it don’t oppose it because it doesn’t work, they oppose it because they’re afraid it might. They’re against the very idea of helping people who want to change their sexual orientation.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 10:59 amHarding was a lazy but media savvy third rate hack who tolerated crooks in his cabinet because they were his cronies. His tax policy was good, but that is about all. Hardly the mark of a good president. He was just lucky enough to die before the stench reached the public.
Coolidge had serious chops as a reformer from his time as Governor of Massachusetts.
NC Mountain Girl (a5abe4) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:00 am@17. He’s a deal maker. A pragmatist, not an ideologue. He’ll delegate the court to his Right and let them have it then press on with simply getting things done. The guy’s a New York City real estate developer. Tough turf. A chief executive who likes to keep things on the move and opposition guessing and on the defensive. The next four years should be a great show.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:02 am19. Hearing that synopsis of the Harding-Coolidge ticket made my day week and century.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:06 amYou have a very distorted view of Harding’s presidency.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:07 amHow many times do you have to be wrong, your predictions are irrelevant . Go here if you ant accurate discussions given that these people have been right for over a year
https://theconservativetreehouse.com
Kev (6faba3) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:11 amHe’ll be pooping ALL over you! It’ll be great!
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:25 ammaybe you should just chillax and savor the moment
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:35 amHere is what I would like to have happen, chances are none of them will come to pass:
1 Shrink EPA by 50%
Ipso Fatso (7e1c8e) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:46 am2 Eliminate the Dept. of Education at the federal level
3 End union representation of all federal government employees
4 Privatize HUD, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac
5 Approve Keystone Pipeline Project
6 Suspend all immigration from Muslim countries
7 Undo any Climate Change related bills or treaties proposed or approved by Obama
8 Eliminate Obamacare and replace with a market based system
9 Repeal Dodd-Frank
Expect a default on the national debt if Congress lets him. The un-kept promise has been the hallmark of his entire life, from bankruptcy to divorce to adultery to his ever-changing positions on all things political. I don’t know what he will be, except that it will not be what he is now or what he has promised. I don’t know what he will do or say, except that it will not be what he is doing or saying now. All that he is will change, because, if nothing else, he is bored already. You know exactly what I mean.
M Patterson (7d4d4d) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:48 amWhat’s a “Muslim country”?
Leviticus (18389e) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:50 amrepressed
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:53 amPence would allow business owners to decline business that caused conflict with religious conscience, if it was up to him.
Indiana was going to pass a religious freedom restoration act that is actually no different than many already on the books in many states,
But all H. broke loose,
He is homophobic in the sense that
MD in Philly (852e12) — 11/10/2016 @ 11:54 amif one doesn’t believe SS attraction is equal and equivalent to hetero,
then you are homophobic
@Leviticus:What’s a “Muslim country”?
A country governed by sharia law, or a country where Islam is the official religion, or a country where Muslims make up over, let’s just pick a number, 65% of the population.
You might throw in countries with a crescent and star on its flag.
Is this hard? It’s like deciding if a man is “bald” or not. Pick a standard that includes most of the obvious cases.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:10 pmAnd he caved. At least that’s how I remember it. Not a good sign, but not a sign of homophobia either.
Is he, though, even in that limited sense? Is there any actual evidence that he thinks that way, or is it just what people assume? Everything I’ve seen about him is consistent with someone who does accept that SS attraction is equal and equivalent to hetero. But I didn’t spend a lot of time looking, so maybe there is something.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:12 pmIf you can find it, catch Maxine Walters’ scorching rant against Trump on MSNBC aired this past hour. It was almost word-for-word like a Patterico rant on Trump as well. Incoming from opposite sides.
The Donald is on the right track.
Prediction: A one-termer. Because he is going to get bored.
He’s going to discover that running for president was a lot more fun for him than actually being president; that his life, his homes, his responsibilities were his alone in private life and of much better quality than those he’ll deal with living in a cramped old mansion called the White House.
“Does anybody want my job?” – James Webb [Dan Lauria] ‘From The Earth To The Moon’ HBO TV, 1998
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:17 pmThe ascendance of the hysterical wing of the Internet is just another benefit of Trump.
What say YOU go there, and stay there. And we’ll stay here.
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:18 pmFirst, he’s going to rollback about 25 Obama Executive orders which were used to bypass Congress. All kinds of mischief was accomplished using those, most of which the public is unaware of.
Second, Obamacare can be repealed effectively by simply defunding the national exchanges under reconciliation rules. Remember, the way the Dems passed it makes it vulnerable. To recount: The Dems could not pass the Obamacare plan when they controlled the house near the end of Obama’s first 2 years in office. Their version failed 212-202. Some Dems voted against it because it didn’t go far enough — they wanted a full-on Canadian style one-payer system. The Dems had 60 in the Senate those first 2 years, so they were filibuster proof, but all revenue bills have to originate in the House, so Obamacare could not start in the Senate since it raised taxes. But another House bill raising taxes, a military housing bill, had already passed the House and was awaiting action in the Senate. Harry Reid stripped all the language out of that bill, and substituted Obamacare in its place. The Dems passed it with 60 votes, and sent that bill back to the House. But Ted Kennedy died around the same time, leaving the Senate with 59 Dem votes, and then Scott Brown was elected to take his place so the Dems didn’t get back to 60 votes. So Reid and Pelosi made a deal — the House would pass the the amended bill as sent back to them by the Senate with no changes so the Senate would not have to vote again. The House would then pass a separate bill addressing certain changes that House members wanted to the Senate plan. But the Senate would take up that second bill as a budget reconciliation matter, meaning it could not be filibustered, and only needed 51 votes to pass. Thus, having established that Obamacare funding provisions are subject to budget reconciliation rules in the Senate, the Dems are now stuck with the GOP being able to repeal key funding provisions in the Act by 51 votes, without fear of a veto. Both the House and Senate have passed bills already that repeal key parts of the Acts taxing and spending, but Obama vetoed them. That was the barrier, not a filibuster.
Third — I don’t think you are going to get any amnesty bill that is a “wink and nod” to further illegal migrant efforts. That’s the biggest problem with amnesty — not what it does for people already here, but the fact that its a signal to those not yet here to go ahead and make the effort because another amnesty is likely to happen down the road. Even if the Amnesty issue is not addressed in any meaningful way, simply restarting the mechanics of deportation — or “Deport the Criminals First” as you have long championed — combined with more effort at stemming the illegal border crossings, which was simply abandoned for the last 4 years under Obama — would be a move in the right direction. In other words, take down the “All Welcome” signs that have been put up by Obama.
Fourth: At this point I give Trump credit for being smart. One of the things I that I think make smart people smart is a recognition of that which they don’t know. I expect that in the next 2 weeks Trump’s eyes will be opened to a whole range of foreign policy challenges that he’s simply not aware of because he’s never been in a position to have the information shared with him. With that as the backdrop, and very little time with which to work, I think he’s going to rapidly assemble a foreign policy and intelligence team long on experience, and then rely on them almost completely to shape his approach to world problems.
And, you should check out post No. 23 in your Electoral Prediction Thread. Some guy wrote:
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:18 pmBy the way, regardless of whether it’s desirable to exclude Moslems from immigrating, there’s a fairly simple way to find out who is one: have the applicant make one of two statements: either “Mohammed was not a prophet” or “Mohammed was not the last prophet”. Anyone except a Moslem or a Baha’i will have no problem making the first statement, and a Baha’i can make the second one. Since the only consequence of refusal is that one would not be given the privilege of immigrating to the USA, there would be no justification under Moslem law for falsely making either of those statements.
(No, Moslem law does not permit lying, except under circumstances where both Christian and Jewish law also permit it.)
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:19 pmShe’s worried he’ll expand the government, seize more executive power, and jettison classical liberal principles? How about that.
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:20 pmSyria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Pittsburgh, etc.
Ipso Fatso (7e1c8e) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:21 pm@37– Agreed.
But you’re more matter-of-fact pleasant about it. She was virtually spitting nails.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:22 pmConservative Nuthouse has never been right about anything. This is the site that invented the idea that Little St Trayvon had gone out for the ingredients to “purple drank”, and that “crazy-ass cracker” was intended as a homophobic slur.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:22 pmThat’s pretty good, shipwrecked. You may win the predictions contest for the election. What do you think about the first priority: spending a trillion dollars on infrastructure? Pretty awesome and likely to pass, huh?
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:25 pm35, SWC, true Michigan must have a couple Cadillac trunks of ballots on Seven Mile at this time.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:25 pmOne of these days one of those sites like Gateway Pundit or Conservative Nuthouse is going to get something really wrong. Then they will be embarrassed and their fans will laugh them off the Internet.
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Aw I can’t keep a straight face
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:29 pmSomething tells me the gentlemen’s club-attending 9/11 hijackers would have been willing to lie to the infidels in order to kill them.
It occurred to me yesterday, and not for the first time by a longshot, what a significant impact those 19 people had on world history. Does Trump get elected without them, for example?
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:34 pmYou can see it on Trump’s face today…
He’s not in control of events. He’s being led around from place to place forced to be reactive, not proactive. Paraded around with the other animals isn’t fun.
He’ll grow tired of sharing the limelight of these dog-and-pony shows, fast.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:35 pmAnd if all I get out of a Trump presidency is great Supreme Court justices, I will be very happy. A conservative Supreme Court is all that stands between us and a socialist European style of government.
Rochf (877dba) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:42 pmHelp! I’m being held captive in a #nevertrump fortune cookie factory!
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:43 pmYeah, terrorists seem to pretty flexible about Islamic law.
Do you know what they do to the people they recruit for suicide bombing? Because a lot of suicide bombers store the explosives “internally”. So they “prep” them to “receive” the explosive material, in the way you’d expect it to be done in prison movies. Pretty sure sharia forbids that, but they do it nonetheless.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:43 pm41 — I’m ambivalent. Are there a trillion dollars worth of needed repairs, refurbishments, and replacements? Likely yes.
Do we have available funds in the budget to pay for that? No.
With a re-ordering of budget priorities, should we be able to sequester sufficient funds to pay for it? Definitely.
Is there a political will to spend less somewhere else to offset at least some of the expenditures? We’ll see — there are a lot of GOP house members who came into office on the premise that the federal government is too big — Ok, lets start shuttering things. What’s first? DOE? Dept. of Ag?
I’m hugely concerned about the record level of non-participation in the work force. 95 million people not in the work force.
Lets address that problem. Lots of bad issues improve with that number shrinking.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:46 pm“Do you know what they do to the people they recruit for suicide bombing? Because a lot of suicide bombers store the explosives “internally”. So they “prep” them to “receive” the explosive material, in the way you’d expect it to be done in prison movies. Pretty sure sharia forbids that, but they do it nonetheless.”
– Gabriel Hanna
Link? Because it sounds like you just made that up. Maybe I’m wrong?
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:52 pm@SWC:Lots of bad issues improve with that number shrinking.
I would say, and I imagine so would Patterico, that the bad issues APPEAR to improve when you look at what is seen, but not when you look at what is unseen.
And what Bastiat, and Smith, and Economics in One Lesson would all tell you, is that you can do such things for non-economic motives. But economically speaking these projects are losers. Ok if you have your eyes open and you are looking for something that is not economic growth.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:54 pmPatterico, if post 44 is correct, its because their influence and ability to wage war was not blunted in a roughly 14 year interregnum.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:54 pm@Leviticus:Not made up, not by me anyway.
You want more you can use the Google.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 12:56 pmThing is about these Islamic terrorists, people think, oh they’re motivated by religion so they must be extra-observant. But historically, and in this case, violent religious fanatics see their “sinful” actions as absolved or justified by their violent righteousness. Any number of examples of Christians behaving the same way, see also the New Model Army and its campaigns in Ireland.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:00 pmSWC,
I endorse your history of the passage of ObamaCare. They can’t repeal it through reconciliation but they can gut it, while leaving parts of the law in place (like the rule against denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions). Then things go to hell and GOP gets blamed. Then we get Dems in power and single payer. Is that what we want?
It has to be repeated root and branch and that canNOT be done through reconciliation.
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:01 pmRape is also used to “recruit” women as suicide bombers: as rape victims their lives are over any way and they are promised the chance to redeem themselves and make their families proud instead of ashamed.
All contrary to Islamic law. And so is terrorism. Bothers them not a whit.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:02 pmNot so sure about that.
I fully endorse Gabriel Hanna’a comment about the seen and unseen. I doubt I told him that one for the first time, but I’d like to think my constant emphasis of the concept has been enlightening to some here.
Patterico (6ff3a1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:03 pm@Patterico:It has to be repeated root and branch
Not enough, it’s not possible to hit “undo” and end up with the old system. The old system is irretrievably broken by Obamacare. Something else has to be put in its place. Lots of fun figuring out what that will be.
There’s been no free-market system for 70 years now…
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:03 pm“projects are losers” — what projects are you speaking about? Do you keep driving on an interstate highway system that is crumbling? Do you keep crossing bridges that are 50+ years old? Do you leave airports with outdated avionics systems? Do you not invest in improvements of the civil defense apparatus? I’m not talking about “make-work” projects like Obama’s stimulus package — the only limitation on that program was that the project had to be “shovel ready”, whether it was warranted or not. Its the job of Congress to identify critical needs on infrastructure matters that cross state borders and which are critical to the commerce of the country – whether people or goods. Then fund the projects that improve those.
We have had people leaving the work force at a pace unparalleled in modern history. You think that should be allowed to continue? Congress must shape an environment that makes it friendly to start businesses and hire people. At the same time there is no reason to not have the government itself fund hiring on projects where the government is uniquely situated to address the problem.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:08 pm@SWC: what projects are you speaking about?
Any and every project undertaken with tax money is an economic loser, whether it was an existing project that needs maintenance or a brand new one.
That does not mean you should not do it. It just means the economy is slightly worse off than if it were done by private money.
“…every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
By all means, fix roads. Just not with tax money.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:11 pmActually my state spends a lot on roads and the roads I drive on are in pretty good shape. And they added congestion-based toll lanes and did people howl! Fat-cat plutocrats zip to work at 70 mph because they can afford to pay $0.75.
I wish all roads were toll roads. Then my pocket would not be picked for roads I’ll never use. And the trucks that deliver goods to me over those roads will pay the tolls, and the goods I buy will be marked up to cover those tolls–exactly the ones I need and no others.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:13 pmFire the global warming cabal starting with NASA GISSTEMP.
Gavin Schmidt is the sciency equivalent of Hillary Clinton, meaning if he pronounced water wet you had best dip a toe in yourself then send your own team in to verify the result a day later. THe guy is just that crooked.
Reinstate protections for endangered birds fully enforced on windfarms just the same as they are enforced on Exxon.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:14 pmplaintive emails from neurotic failmerican ceos what were triggered by the election
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:15 pmThe only rap against Warren Harding was the corruption by some of his appointees.
The thing is the circumstances known as Teapot Dome (ie: dipping in to strategic oil reserves for private profit) are not only not considered scandalous anymore, it’s the vehicle by which Albert (his crook is obscured by his wooden posture) Gore made his vast fortune.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:21 pmPredition: a goldy sachs man is going to be Treasury Secretary
That’s gotta make happyfeet very happy!
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:21 pmPre-existing condition coverage requirement:
I’m sure insurance companies can figure out a way in market place where its premiums are not capped to not “deny” coverage for a preexisting condition.
The easiest way would be for “pre-existing condition” coverage to come by way of a policy rider — with added premiums and deductibles. Policies would be available, they would simply be tremendously expensive. If you have a pre-existing condition, you could get coverage, just not on the same financial terms as people seeking coverage without that problem.
Folks who cannot afford such premiums could be dealt with by a government subsidized program modeled like Medicaid — years ago there was support for a “catastrophic care” insurance program, where high risk/cost patients would be part of a nationwide pool, with the government guaranteeing the solvency of the participating insurers with regard to their exposure in that particular market. It was to be handled much like FDIC bank insurance — insurance companies would offer the plans, individual policies could be purchased as well as employers could place specific employees with higher risk factors into the plans at subsidized rates, the insurance companies would handle claims and administration, and the government would backstop them against episodes of extremely high costs. People would have coverage, companies could compete on policy terms and coverage options, market forces would impact costs, but the government would insure against disaster.
The regulations written by HHS would address the means and manner by which some of the Plan’s “mandates” could be accomplished by the industry.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:24 pmI thought that the biggest problem with the Obam stimulus was that it didn’t pay for much of anything, except often funding inadequately funded state and municipal retirement funds,
I read that’s where something like 700,000,000 out of 850,000,000 or so that went to WI went.
I used to hear all of the time about underfunded pension funds,
then,
all of a sudden,
those stories went way.
afaik, the list of expenditures that was supposed to be on the web and overseen by “Sheriff Joe” never appeared.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:33 pmoh god please no sackies
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 1:34 pmI think in the first 100 days of the Trump presidency I will focus on my Indian club and gada training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=fIEOWh87ahY
My shoulders suck. I move, they sound like bowls of rice crispies. After a lifetime of abuse, some medical professional going to have to safety-wire my arms back to the rest of my body. And thanks to the miracle of Obamacare, the required procedure is unavaliable or at least out of my reach.
So, back to the Indian clubs and gada. Or, really, the sledge hammer I bought at Northern Tool.
Now my ribs hurt…
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:02 pmNow that I’m over 50 I have magical powers. I can pull a muscle just by breathing.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:04 pm@66 Shipwreckedcrew, regarding preexisting conditions
M Patterson (7d4d4d) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:12 pmPre-existing conditions are not a high risk, nor are they like a high risk. There is no chance of a cost not being incurred. In the end, either the patient will be paying more money than the certain ailment will cost, or the insurance will be providing some fraction of the healthcare for free. Insuring against a pre-existing ailment is like insuring your car for gasoline: it’s not a question of whether someone might need to pay for it; it’s just a question of who is going to get stuck with the bill. If it’s the insurance company, then they’re losing money for nothing, and it might cost them their business. If it’s the patient, then there’s no point in having insurance. When the insurance no longer regards the element of chance, then it’s not insurance at all, but a subsidy.
You mean you can breathe?? Holy cow!
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:13 pmThis may be technically correct. However, no country on earth is subject to Christian and Jewish law. Even in Israel they have made an effort to provide all citizens, men and women, Jews and muslims and Christians, with rights that are not found in the Torah. And no one in these countries can justify breaking the law by resorting to Biblical law.
Muslims, on the other hand, seek to impose sharia law on the entire world, and within that law, lying is permitted provided you follow islam, as you acknowledged. Lying would be death for a non-believer under the same law.
I often wonder if the oath to protect the Constitution that is taken by muslims elected to Congress is worth the CO2 in their exhalation.
BobStewartatHome (b2bab4) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:23 pmI don’t understand the fetish for “infrastructure repair.” For whom does it create jobs: some engineers & architects, sure; and some highway crews, electricians, carpenters, plumbers, and other construction guys, definitely; and absolutely some paper-pushing government bureaucrats taking their piece off the top. But which sociology majors at Middlebury and Feminist Studies master’s candidates are going to be hired through this program? This means that the President-elect is going to have to cut a deal with Democrats to get a bunch of social justice warriors phony-baloney government jobs as payback for supporting his ambitious infrastructure program. And don’t think he won’t cut that deal in a heartbeat.
JVW (773988) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:33 pmAnd, hey, I don’t like the fact that it takes 60 minutes to drive 20 miles on the Los Angeles freeways either, but:
1) that’s a function of too much traffic for too few freeway lanes and there is almost no way we are going to expand our urban freeways since we are mostly out of room to do so, and
2) it really isn’t dragging down our economy because a truckload of Strawberries takes five hours to get from Oxnard to San Diego instead of four hours.
JVW (773988) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:37 pmThe biggest issue will be a worldwide economic collapse. You think you’ve seen QE? He’s gonna break out QE Big League. He is also going to put yooge pressure on the Fed. Whatever it takes to effect the fattest profits for his Wall Street cronies, he will do.
The second biggest thing will be the start of federalizing long term state/city debt obligations, mostly pensions.
Definitely a bigger wall, bigger border agency with real teeth again. A tax on money transfers into Mexico.
We will pretty much pull out altogether in the ME and Afghanistan. Gitmo gets some new prisoners.
He will declare martial law in a city where significant rioting occurs.
He will not pardon Hillary and will seek a special prosecutor for her emails and the Clinton Foundation. He will offer a pardon to Obama for getting caught up in email illegalities.
He will not run for re-election. He will hate the burdens and constraints of the job even more than Obama does. He’ll fully support Pence, who will be his excellent legislative liaison.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:42 pmPatterico said:
You’re making the same mistake others made 4 years ago when “Romney got fewer votes than McCain”. Your comparing the 2012 certified vote count which included all the provisional/mailin/military ballots that have yet to be counted for 2016. Henry Olsen of EPPC says there are around 8-10 million ballots left to be tallied, mostly in CA, WA and AZ. Someone else (I forget who) said there are 1 million uncounted votes in Orange County/San Diego County alone.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:42 pmPresident Trump got plenty of votes believe you me
PLENTY
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:48 pmThis should not be so hard,
maybe I missed something
I am still trying to do some analysis on the results, I am having a harder time than expected getting absolute numbers and percentages
here are rough numbers, but absolute numbers and %’s are not always apples to apples
2016 2012
total votes 119,944,750 126,849,299
R votes total 59,821,874 60,933,504
R votes W/NW 48,697,569/7,556,520 53,885,582/6,393,205
D votes total 60,122,876 65,915,795
D votes W/NW 31,065,690/26,667,900 35,619,283/28,769,421
Numbers are not completely accurate, but here are my conclusions:
1) Trump did NOT bring additional voters into the R side in the general
2) the election was lost by Clinton because of far fewer non-White votes
3) more NW voted for Trump than voted for Romney
The narrative is that Trump brought out all of the white racist deplorables out,
in actually millions fewer W voted for Trump than Romney
more NW voted for Trump than Romney
many more NW stayed home instead of voting for Clinton
That is my analysis
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 2:56 pmdo I have concurring opinions?
(Note, I have a daughter in public HS, where everyone thinks the world is coming to an end because America is so deplorable)
Hal,
thank you for your comment, while we cross-posted
oops, spacing didn’t work
adding 8 million votes, then the vote total is more like 2016 or higher
assuming things break with those 8 million consistent with what we already have,
I still think it is safe to say the lack of NW vote for the dems was the biggest factor,
and any increased white votes for R were accompanied, if not outdone, by increased NW votes for R
in other words,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:03 pmAmerica is no more racist, sexist, and xenophobic than it was 4 years ago
MD – Urban turnouts were significantly down throughout almost the entire country. Hillary 2016 was Romney 2012 – could not get out the base. You are correct.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:03 pmHold that though, Rev. I don’t know for how much longer.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:04 pm…………………………2016……………………… 2012
total votes__ 119,944,750 _______________ 126,849,299
R votes total _ 59,821,874 ________________ 60,933,504
R votes W/NW __ 48,697,569/7,556,520 ____ 53,885,582/6,393,205
D votes total _ 60,122,876 _____________ 65,915,795
D votes W/NW __ 31,065,690/26,667,900 ___ 35,619,283/28,769,421
Better
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:07 pmMD in Philly said:
See my #77. There are 8-10 million votes not yet in the totals, mostly in CA, WA, & AZ. According to Henry Olsen of EPPC, Trump will easily exceed Romney in the final tally.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:07 pmMD in Philly said:
And again. Ah, well.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:09 pmThanks, Ed
Is no one saying that clearly because of “Not blaming the victim”?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:09 pmI guess to say it is white racial preference that made the difference,
as opposed to NW racial preference,
fits better with the narrative
Trump will easily exceed Romney in the final tally.
American voters suck monkey turds.
nk (dbc370) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:11 pmEd from SFV said:
Also, according the Henry Olsen of EPPC, most of the yet to be tallied ballots are from the big cities, rather than evenly distributed throughout the state.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:12 pmHal, I appreciate your additional info,
though if the votes to be counted are largely from those three states,
I expect quite a few of those CA and WA votes are for Clinton,
so we will have to see whether Trump outdid Romney
but those additional votes do not change the electoral map
“we” won because their candidate was worse than ours,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:13 pmagain, if most of the votes to be talled are from Big cities, esp in CA, I don’t expect that to make Trump too much better than Romney,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:15 pmi.e.
no evidence to me of Trump pulling in some untapped voter pool,
unless he lost as many as he attracted,
which is possible
MD in Philly said:
Indeed, he says Trump will probably add about 2.8 million, Clinton will add about 4.5 million and 3rd parties about 400 thousand.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:17 pmThanks again, Hal
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:19 pmWe’ll know the answer the first week of December or so.
Hal Duston (62e942) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:21 pmI think we will see Congress repeal parts of ObamaCare but replace it with specific provisions, such as providing insurance across state lines, coverage to age 26, and provisions for those with pre-existing conditions. I hope Trump will use his bully pulpit to pressure both sides to keep it simple and not try to fix everything at once since it took awhile to get to where we are. I hope Trump does not try to sit back and distance himself from the solution, although I fear he will — claiming it’s Congress’s problem as he did in the campaign. If he does that, it will be a powerful indicator of what kind of President he will be.
I think Trump will emphasize jobs. My feeling is he really cares about helping blue collar Americans who want to work but don’t have jobs. That is probably why he is talking about infrastructure, because it funds blue collar jobs in the short run.
I hope Trump does not use foreign policy to try to show how tough he is and how much he can accomplish for Americans. I fear he will start a trade war with China and Mexico in order to leverage his bargaining position on his signature issues. That will hurt businesses and people for short-term publicity, something I suspect Trump would do.
I think Trump will talk about deporting criminal aliens and stopping sanctuary cities, something that should be popular at this website and is long overdue. I think he will prioritize that as President. If so, kudos to him.
I think Trump will say nice things about Democrats like Hillary and Obama, but not so nice things about Republicans who did not support him. No kudos for that, if it happens, because being President means you can’t hold grudges and Grudge is his middle name.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:41 pmI also doubt Trump’s DOJ will do anything about Hillary. He will claim the attorneys say he can’t. He won’t admit that the truth is he doesn’t want to do it, because he doesn’t want liberals to hate him and his family. I hope that’s all he does to make nice with liberals, and doesn’t feel the need to hand out more goodies to the Democrats to curry favor.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:47 pmCNN right now: Sources say “Trump really wants Steve Bannon to be Chief of Staff.” He likes him and trusts him, but family members want Priebus.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:50 pmIf the electoral college were abolished, can you imagine how many “discovered!” trunks of ballots would be “found!” in urban cities of deep blue states?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/10/2016 @ 3:51 pmIllinois would end up having twice as many ballots counted than there are registered voters.
Continue in your fiction.
Ha ha fringe check out his track record
https://theconservativetreehouse.com
Kev (6faba3) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:13 pm@96- Bannon Balloons. Trial size. Now available at Walgreen’s.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:30 pmThese NATO countries are not spending their fair share on defense …
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:43 pmmoney.cnn.com/2016/07/08/news/nato-summit-spending-countries/
DRJ @ 95. It would be wiser for Trump’s AG to appoint a special prosecutor to review the Clinton mess before deciding whether to pass, prosecute or pardon. Someone dems would have trouble demonizing like Jonathan Turley would give her a thorough review and a fair shake. De facto amnesty without accountability would be a mistake with Obama on his way out to do it bigger and better.
crazy (d3b449) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:54 pmCNN right now: Sources say “Trump really wants Steve Bannon to be Chief of Staff.” He likes him and trusts him, but family members want Priebus.”
Who convinced him to install Kellyanne Conway as campaign chair? Whoever forced him into that decision is the person he ought to be listening to.
JVW (773988) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:57 pmIn fact, why not her as Chief of Staff? She seemed to bring a discipline to him (inasmuch as anyone could) which paid off in the final weeks. Could she be as effective running his cabinet?
JVW (773988) — 11/10/2016 @ 4:59 pmthe treehouse got some things right, re power networks in dc, particularly murdoch’s alliance with red queen’s factions, the real reason the gowdy committee never got to the heart of the tragedy in north africa, and the nature of the trump landslide, which was illustrated in robert mccain’s medium link on the other thread,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:00 pmwell kellyanne was more pollster and bannon, was more media strategist, his unorthodox manner seems to have paid off,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:03 pmand cnn’s track record, what is that exactly,
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5205219272001/?#sp=show-clips/daytime
narciso (d1f714) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:06 pmrepeating the link,
https://medium.com/the-patriarch-tree/never-bet-against-the-patriarchy-kids-e37084472281#.1kiodmls6
as to a stimulus bill, I imagine it will be geared to real public works, not the sinecures that zaphod gifted his constituencies that left no trace, after a trillion,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:10 pmKellyanne Conway would be a good choice for Press Secretary.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:26 pmre amnesty, that would be a good way to burn the good will they had earned with this election
narciso (d1f714) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:35 pmSad thing is, Harding was a fairly decent man, but blind, oh God, he was blind.
I’m not so sure that Pence would be that silent or that conservative. Well, we;re at this point now, we may as well give it a whirl. He certainly can’t be any duller than Slow Joe.
Bill H (971e5f) — 11/10/2016 @ 5:41 pmYou know what Patterico? I’ve been coming here for years. I stopped coming a few months ago because of your constant bashing of Trump. I came back now that he won.
You talk a lot of shit.
Trump is still better than Hillary.
You just don’t seem to get it.
Even if what you said is true, Hillarys policies, picks and orders would be worse.
Why don’t you get it?
You never ask “compared to what?”
You act as if Trump is going to be so bad, because there were 5 better options.
There weren’t.
It is done.
Name (913365) — 11/10/2016 @ 6:44 pmI want Mark Steyn as press secretary,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/10/2016 @ 6:55 pmthat would be reality TV at its best…😁
My prediction involves the media, true to form, becoming zealous in holding government accountable now that it is Republican again.
For example, the true unemployment rate is around 12%, but the “official” number reported for the democrats been 5%. If and when Trump reduces the the true number to, say, 6 or 7%, the media will report the true number and say Trump is a failure on jobs.
Homelessness is a huge problem that hasn’t been mentioned as a problem in eight years. It’s going to become a huge problem on Trump.
Obama’s foreign policy failures have been mostly reported as mere frustrations of Obama’s genius, under Trump Obama’s mess is going to be all about Trumps failure of leadership. We will once again be given daily grim counts of military deaths.
A decade’s worth of economic gross mismanagement chicken roosting will all be on the Trump administration.
Trump rejecting the climate change con means every natural disaster will be Trumps fault.
Trumps saying “Islamic terrorism” will create Islamic terrorism, and he will be blamed for all future terrorist attacks because he said Islamic terrorism.
Obama has set racial relations back 60 years, but all racial strife will be blamed on the racist Trump.
Trumps support of the 2nd amendment will make him responsible for every shooting in the world.
And on and on. So here’s my prediction; all this media BS will be gleefully parroted and promoted by the “conservative” nevertrumpers like Patterico. They can’t wait for him to fail so the stupid “trumptards” will learn a lesson and never thwart the establishment supergeniuses again. So no matter what, Trump will fail in their eyes. Their credibility demands it.
LBascom (d82ccd) — 11/10/2016 @ 7:01 pm“Name”:
My argument has been, primarily, that while Trump would be good on judges, he would be bad on the free market, bad on executive overreach, and bad on big government programs . . . and that the GOP would fight Hillary harder than it would fight him.
The standard low-information response is that the GOP has done nothing to resist Obama, but Charles C.W. Cooke showed clearly why that is a dangerously wrong contention.
I also worried about the effect on limited government principles that a Trump presidency would have on the only party that has ever even pretended to stand for those principles.
I think that concern is well-founded. I think, with a proposed trillion-dollar stimulus that was bad when the Democrat proposed one, that my concerns about his big-government leanings are valid.
It’s not just about Hillary vs. Trump. It’s about the long-term effect on the party, and how much Congress will resist the President.
You don’t have to agree with me to acknowledge that I at least have an argument.
I respect your position. I ask you to consider the full extent of mine, and consider whether, even if you disagree, maybe you could respect that I have a position that a sane person could hold.
Thanks for your time.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/10/2016 @ 7:21 pmWho says McConnell will be Majority Leader. Suppose that’s what Sessions wants?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/11/2016 @ 12:44 amPatterico,
You miss the import of this election, or perhaps you don’t, but you miss the point.
The GOP, which has never ever been a “conservative”, “small-government” party (although it does contain those elements) has been captured by the pragmatist, business wing of the party. Why? Because the people are sh1t-tired of the ideological battle and Trump stopped first.
So, the GOP spends some time in Nixon-land. It happens. Last time, a few folks got together and started the Libertarian Party and that party has FINALLY, after almost 50 years, gotten more than 1% of the vote. It got 3%.
The GOP is a big tent. Ryan and Trump and W are all members. So are Romney and Huckabee. But the ideologues have been sent to the back benches for a while. Live with it. Eight years after Nixon came Reagan.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/11/2016 @ 12:52 amSo the guy who was wrong about everything for the last 12 months now has some further predictions, which I guess we are supposed to take seriously? Does anyone even take your calls or respond to your emails anymore?
Mr Black (7c41e5) — 11/11/2016 @ 5:00 amHalf of Trump’s appointees will be high quality and half will be terrible or so it will appear it is heading, so many good people will accept a job offer they would rather not lest he appoint someone really bad instead.
Sammy Finkelman (d00efd) — 11/11/2016 @ 8:26 amWith judges Trump will fall somewhere between George Bush the elder and George Bush the Younger. But a lot depends on how much Charles Schumer will fight him.
Sammy Finkelman (d00efd) — 11/11/2016 @ 8:28 amTrump spoke Tuesday night liked he wanted to reconcile with everyone. The problem is, there is one group that he *does* hold should be turned on (at least that’s his official position):
Illegal immigrants, including those brought here as children and maybe people who protect them. Hillary Clinton calls them “immigrants” and pretends the animosity extends further.
Trump wants the world not to feel threatened but he doesn’t say the
same to illegal immigrants. His policy will likely be directed by
Senator Jeff Sessions. Now he’s got to decide what to do one way or
the other.
This is an excellent way to tear the country apart. I think trump
will mostly just act but make no speeches, at least not in clear
language. Or maybe propose some impossible compromise
Daily News column – more objective maybe:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fate-obama-daca-program-unknown-trump-takes-office-article-1.2868424
Trump praised Sessions at his victory speech. Sessions may have his
Sammy Finkelman (d00efd) — 11/11/2016 @ 8:32 amway until what he supports either fails or elicits revulsion. Sessions
will probably try to give away individual cases to support the general
policy. Punishing sanctuary cities by withholding federal funds is not
going to happen.
Priebus chief of staff to stop bannon
Sammy Finkelman (d00efd) — 11/11/2016 @ 8:32 amMark Steyn should let John Bolton do all the heavy lifting and Steyn can stick the needle
steveg (5508fb) — 11/11/2016 @ 7:43 pmIn equivalent circumstances, i.e. soldiers infiltrating enemy territory, both Christian and Jewish law would also permit lying. But neither Christian, Jewish, nor Moslem law permits lying merely to obtain some benefit such as permission to enter a country.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/12/2016 @ 9:31 pmAt least according to this it is permitted. In fact I’m pretty sure this is the source for what you’re quoting. I don’t believe it’s in fact at all common to carry the explosives that way; the one famous experiment with an internal device didn’t work very well, and as far as I can tell it wasn’t inserted anally, despite the claims to that effect on various hysterical web sites.
In fact I suspect that the question which elicited this ruling in the first place was merely a prank on the sheikh.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/12/2016 @ 9:56 pmOops, let’s try that again:
At least according to this it is permitted. In fact I’m pretty sure this is the source for what you’re quoting. I don’t believe it’s in fact at all common to carry the explosives that way; the one famous experiment with an internal device didn’t work very well, and as far as I can tell it wasn’t inserted anally, despite the claims to that effect on various hysterical web sites.
In fact I suspect that the question which elicited this ruling in the first place was merely a prank on the sheikh.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/12/2016 @ 9:57 pm