New York Times Paints Portrait Of Seething, Vindictive Donald Trump In Final Days Of His Campaign
I know, right? On the one hand, it’s the New York Times. On the other hand, it’s Donald Trump.
The New York Times has a long piece on the final days of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign titled Inside Donald Trump’s Last Stand: An Anxious Nominee Seeks Assurance. That sure sounds like an account of a loser, doesn’t it? The first name on the byline is Maggie Haberman, of whom the Hillary Clinton campaign said: “[W]e can . . . do the most shaping by going to Maggie.” Haberman has specialized in stories portraying Trump as a “beleaguered” candidate hiding in his “fortress” — and with the election just two days away, it would be very good “shaping” to have a piece portraying Trump as sleepless and constantly seeking reassurance:
Donald J. Trump is not sleeping much these days.
Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.
He requires constant assurance that his candidacy is on track. “Look at that crowd!” he exclaimed a few days ago as he flew across Florida, turning to his young press secretary as a TV tuned to Fox News showed images of what he claimed were thousands of people waiting for him on the ground below.
And he is struggling to suppress his bottomless need for attention. As he stood next to the breakfast buffet at his golf club in Doral, Fla., eyeing a tray of pork sausages, he sought to convey restraint when approached by a reporter for The New York Times.
“I’m on message,” Mr. Trump asserted, with effort. “I’m not playing around. In fact, I’m a little nervous standing here talking to you even for just a minute.”
But Haberman’s name is not the only one on the piece, and there is plenty in the article that rings true. (So true!) I am speaking, in particular, of the sections of the article that remind us that, while his handlers have been snatching away the keys to Donald Trump’s Twitter account and gluing him to TelePrompTers, his greatest dreams these days are the ways that he will take revenge on those who have dared criticize him:
On the surface, there is the semblance of stability that is robbing Hillary Clinton of her most potent weapon: Mr. Trump’s self-sabotaging eruptions, which have repeatedly undermined his candidacy. Underneath that veneer, turbulence still reigns, making it difficult for him to overcome all of the obstacles blocking his path to the White House.
The contrasts pervade his campaign. Aides to Mr. Trump have finally wrested away the Twitter account that he used to colorfully — and often counterproductively — savage his rivals. But offline, Mr. Trump still privately muses about all of the ways he will punish his enemies after Election Day, including a threat to fund a “super PAC” with vengeance as its core mission.
The childish elevation of personal grievances above all else does not feel like it’s made up. And we have the evidence of the Gettysburg speech to prove that Trump’s penchant for threats sometimes overcomes any common-sense notion of restraint for the greater good. Haberman & Co. have more on that as well:
Mr. Trump’s aides were just as thrown by the [Access Hollywood grab them by the p***y] tape. But they saw a chance to salvage his candidacy — on a Civil War battlefield.
His aides outlined 15 bullet points for him to deliver during an Oct. 22 speech in Gettysburg, Pa., to focus voters on a new theme of cleaning up government, even as several women came forward to accuse him of groping them just as he had described in the recording.
But Mr. Trump grew frustrated with the instructions. By the time he was done revising the proposed speech, only about a half-dozen of the original suggestions remained. And over the firm objections of his top advisers, he insisted on using the occasion to issue a remarkable threat: that he would sue all of the women who had gone public with the accusations.
As the advisers begged him to reconsider — it would make him seem small, they warned, and undermine a pivotal speech — Mr. Trump was adamant. There had to be a severe penalty for those who dared to attack him, he said. He could not just sit back and let these women “come at me,” he told one of them.
The speech was roundly criticized and seemed strikingly out of place on such sacred and historic ground. “The Grievanceburg Address,” one journalist deemed it.
Another interesting detail: Trump does not use a computer.
Mr. Trump, who does not use a computer, rails against the campaign’s expenditure of tens of millions on digital ads, skeptical that spots he never sees could have any effect.
By the way, I thought I had followed this campaign pretty closely, and I have to admit I did not realize that Donald Trump doesn’t use a computer. (After reading this passage, I did some Googling and see it has been reported before, but I had missed it.) I’m going to guess that everyone reading this right now relies on their computer as a way to gather news and information. The Internet is the single greatest tool for spreading knowledge that humans have ever invented. And Donald Trump, to the extent he takes advantage of it, apparently does so by proxy: whatever his aides spoon-feed him is what he gets. Otherwise, apparently, he gets his information from “the shows.”
This is reassuring for a potential president, isn’t it?
There’s much, much more in there, and I encourage you to read the whole thing.
Yes, Donald Trump is an awful, vindictive person, even if the New York Times agrees.
AND YET, WHAT THIS STORY MEANS MIGHT SURPRISE YOU: I don’t think this is what Maggie Haberman and company intended . . . but, on reflection, this article tells us more about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and the state of our country than it tells us about Donald Trump.
Because — placing idiot fanatics and Nazi triumphalists aside — most sentient Americans know all this about Donald Trump. And yet, almost half of them are considering voting for Trump over Clinton anyway.
What does that say? On one hand, it says a lot of voters are stupid . . . but that’s not all it says, by a longshot. It also says that this country must be reeling so badly from the staggering premium increases of ObamaCare; the job losses, malaise, and slow growth of the overregulated Obama economy; the doubling of our national debt in just eight years; the endless revelations of dishonesty and corruption by the Clintons; the leaks of media collusion between the left and Big Media . . . the American people must be really, really fed up with the wretched state of our country, to be even thinking about putting a man as manifestly awful, deceitful, narcissistic, pig-ignorant, and utterly worthless as Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
What does that tell you about how mad people are, Maggie Haberman?
You might want to reflect on that a little.
[Cross-posted at RedState.]
A little something here for everyone to hate.
Hey, don’t thank me. It’s what I do.
Oh, and . . .
Ding.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 2:04 pmStill much better than the criminal Hillary Clinton.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/6/2016 @ 2:13 pmGee, did the New York Times report Ted Cruz not only endorsed Trump, but has stumped for Trump and voted for Trump, too?
‘All the News That’s Fit To Print’ – New York Times masthead slogan
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 2:16 pmHey, Obama learns things from the papers, why shouldn’t Donald get it from TV?
Think positive: no private servers with President Trump!
Does this mean he has never actually read Breitbart?
kishnevi (5719ad) — 11/6/2016 @ 2:18 pmPart of me hopes that he wins, so we can see. The problem is, the more right I prove to be in that scenario, the worse off we all are.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 2:49 pmThe Colonel’s right.
gp (0c542c) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:04 pmAnd we have the evidence of the Gattysburg speech
Where be this “Gattysburg” of which you speak?
😆
peedoffamerican (310909) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:11 pmPart of me hopes that he wins, so we can see.
Now he’s Stalin. But at least he’s not Hitler.
“Why doesn’t he make up his mind?” – Rhett Butler [Clark Gable] ‘Gone With The Wind’ 1939
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:15 pmAck. Thanks.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:23 pmright she went all the way to the supreme court, in order to silence a political opponent, engineered the purge of the travel office, and actually put a political opponent in jail, now in a safeway house,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:47 pmDe nada!
peedoffamerican (310909) — 11/6/2016 @ 3:48 pmPatterico,
It is so interesting to watch your comments on Trump. Usually, you are among the best at rooting out the liberal media’s spin. Yet you can’t find it when they are reporting about Donald Trump.
Case in point; In this post you repeat the following comments from the NYT: Aides had to “hide the keys” to the Twitter account from him, and he doesn’t use a computer.
Mike S (89ec89) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:13 pmI don’t think Hillary will forget or forgive how frightened she has been that she might lose this thing, and I think we have to expect, should she win Tuesday, that she will take the necessary steps to see she is never frightened this way again; that the government forces at her command will neutralize organized opposition long before the general election.
The Obama DOJ has already experimented with directing political blogs to turn over any information they have about commenters. They also coupled that with a gag order forbidding anyone from discussing it, or warning the commenters.
People like Patterico who are not very anonymous will soon have to choose between their jobs and blogging. People like us who are not very anonymous will soon have to be very careful what we say online.
I would recommend to everyone, learn about how to protect yourself now.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:19 pmIf I am offered an idiot nincompoop who will sic a lot of really smart attorneys on the political establishment and let them charge whomever, or a much smarter, well-read but utterly corrupt woman who wants to devour all I hold dear, I’ll go with the nincompoop.
He’ll do less damage, and the damage he’ll do will be random.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:23 pmWhat does that say? On one hand, it says a lot of voters are stupid . . . but that’s not all it says, by a longshot. It also says that this country must be reeling so badly from the staggering premium increases of ObamaCare; the job losses, malaise, and slow growth of the overregulated Obama economy; the doubling of our national debt in just eight years; the endless revelations of dishonesty and corruption by the Clintons; the leaks of media collusion between the left and Big Media . . . the American people must be really, really fed up with the wretched state of our country, to be even thinking about putting a man as manifestly awful, deceitful, narcissistic, pig-ignorant, and utterly worthless as Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
What does that tell you about how mad people are, Maggie Haberman?
You might want to reflect on that a little.
Well, you know people aren’t just mad at Clinton or Trump wouldn’t be the Republican nominee. Perhaps you should reflect on that a little.
James B. Shearer (7324d2) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:29 pmOn the other hand, I’ve reading this alt history series by Harry Turtledove about the consequences of one wrong decision (using nukes to prevent a rout at Chosin Reservoir). It’s called “The Hot War” and it’s rather sub-optimum.
On the gripping hand, Obama has made nothing BUT wrong decisions in foreign policy and the world muddles on, so maybe that’s not an issue.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:38 pmI see Maggie and the dowager NYT have not tempered their partisan reporting one iota.
And Trump will be vindictive? Good grief, who is more vindictive than Obama and Hillary?
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:39 pmVote for the feminist, you get a progressive ideologue, a neutered conservative ideology, minimal change, she’ll be investigated for two years and a likely liberal SCOTUS.
Vote for the chauvinist, you get a pragmatist, not an ideologue, a neutered conservative ideology, modest change and he’ll throw a bone to ‘court’ his Right because he doesn’t give a damn about the SCOTUS.
Choose.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:39 pmI think Trump is more vindictive than either.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:41 pmOh, I did. Didn’t you also see what I said about stupid voters?
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:42 pmJeez, James, you gotta read the *whole* post!
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:43 pmNo.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:44 pmyes, it’s not one of turtledove’s best, leonard downie wrote better fiction in his roman a clef, rules of the game years ago,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:44 pmIt’s well known that he uses his phone to tweet. So if your point was that he can’t tweet without a computer, that’s a swing and a miss.
But you can’t browse news as easily on a phone as on a computer. So it’s stil disquieting that he does not use a computer.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:47 pmIf you are talking about the YouTube guy (are you?), you really should read Ken White on that.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:48 pmBecause — placing idiot fanatics and Nazi triumphalists aside — most sentient Americans know all this about Donald Trump. And yet, almost half of them are considering voting for Trump over Clinton anyway. What does that say? On one hand, it says a lot of voters are stupid . . . but that’s not all it says, by a longshot…
What it says is Americans don’t want to be governed. They wish to be entertained.
Witness Maudie’s past 72 hours of star-studded crutches. With The Boss to come– and fireworks.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmceleriac is my new thing plus anything where you beat that pig
happyfeet (eeea3c) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:50 pmyes, and waleed shoebat has some words on the subject as well, now maggie graduated from a junior scribe at politico, to full fledged rizotto tray carrier,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:53 pmthe point being is she knew this was a terrorist attack by al queda, the first night, yet she used nakoula, to enforce oic protocols, the fulsome pamphlet but out by anne karni, ignored that aspect of her stewardship of foggy bottom, which I think only guccifer and or judicial watch turned up, subsequently,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 4:58 pmDonald Trump makes for strange bedfellows, it seems. One of the authors of this article is known to be Clinton Campaign catspaw who stands ready to take her instructions and write what she is told to write. Hillary is a psychopath with a seeming never ending cough and googly eyes. Trump, I just don’t know. This election is surreal.
On not being sure about Trump? My gut says he’s not fit for the office, perhaps by a long shot. But I don’t believe much, if all, that is written about him by any member of the Great Media Machine.
Case in point: today’s digital front page of the Washington Post had not a single thing to say about what may have been an attempt to kill Trump in Nevada, except one: the author blamed Trump himself for the atmosphere of “hate” and “violence” he has fostered at these rallies. Did we not see the Project Veritas videos?
I am a conservative, I learned to my bemusement in my late twenties. But I’d like to believe I am an American first. With that established, is it wrong to be viscerally angry when faced with overwhelming truth that the Fourth Estate has sold its soul for a handful of sheckles? That the institutions that should be serving the interests of freedom are apparently rotten through and through? That a nation of laws is now, I believe, a nation of influence?
Considering that which I have written above, is it then wrong to pin a desperate hope on Donald Trump? It may be the longest of longshots, I grant you. But with the other candidate, I know that I will always roll snake eyes. I know this. I believe you may even see this, thus your vote for a third party candidate. I struggle with this: what do I feel is best for my country? I know it is not Hillary, but is it Trump? This close to the election and this conundrum weighs heavy on my mind. I do know that a vote for either Stein or Johnson *is* a vote for Hillary, that dead eyed shark in an ill fitting pant suit. So will my love of my country allow *me* to do this? No, I am afraid, if I am to claim to be a patriot, I cannot do this.
What to do, then? Rationalize, I suppose, though not entirely without some justification. I think, look on the bright side: we are not truly voting for either Hillary or Trump – the most important distinction between the two is who will be impeached first. So it boils down to this: I will hold my nose, vote for Pence by way of Trump, go home and get drunk.
This is the state of our Great Nation today, I think. I suppose I will be drinking quite a bit in the future. Good times.
Estarcarus (9f79f5) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:02 pmTrump may want to punish his enemies but how will he do it? the bureaucracy will tell him to pound sand like the IRS did to Nixon. They are instruments of the Dems. That makes me feel somewhat better when contemplating the coming culture or political wars.
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:03 pmmost of the real news came from that romanian hacker, judicial watch and peter schweitzer, who was ignored by the pulitzer committee, because they have obviously been bought, the world magazine series on the nigerian oligarchs who paved the way for boko,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:05 pmTrump has a number of downsides, but Hillary is ALL downsides.
Sam L. (2e3308) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:05 pmHey, remember three weeks ago when the media, with one voice, assured us that Hillary had this in the bag and Trump might as well just pack it up?
That was awesome.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:07 pmAt least he’s out there interactng with the public and working his tail off. Hillary cancelled her only appearance yesterday because of rain. I have a seething hatred for the New York Times
Victoria (e7c695) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:08 pm20 Oh, I did. Didn’t you also see what I said about stupid voters?
So your guy Cruz was perfect in every way and it was pure stupidity that caused the Republican primary electorate to reject him?
James B. Shearer (7324d2) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:09 pmI winder how many FU votes will be case on Tuesday. We can talk all we want about who gave us Trump, but “FU” is Trump’s base.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:13 pmSo your guy Cruz was perfect in every way and it was pure stupidity that caused the Republican primary electorate to reject him?
No, it was pure stupidity for Cruz and Rubio to squabble in the mud instead of dealing with Trump. They could have made the case that they were better qualified, or had better ideas, or could crush Hillary, but no. They had to get into tiring debates about who’s amendment to which doomed committee markup was really about amnesty or not.
And even Christie was able to show them up as fools.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:16 pmno, cruz made it to the playoff because he focused on the wider messages, rubio lost a wheel because he was being picayune, there is practically no news just state propaganda of various hues that comes from carlos slims, the journal and bezos,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:19 pmyes, it’s not one of turtledove’s best, leonard downie wrote better fiction in his roman a clef, rules of the game years ago,
No, it isn’t, but it’s led me to the story of Fox Company 2/7, and their incredible stand that made the Chosin Reservoir fiasco a retreat and not a rout.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:21 pmBy that time it was all over, narcisco. Cruz and Christie knocked the wrong guy out first. Rubio had problems, but he’d be winning in a landslide right now. As would most of the others.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:23 pmThere’s been a lot of this open hate-mongering from the MSM the last few days. It’s not pretty, but they don’t care. It’s all about getting their party’s voters to the polls.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:26 pmwell I never have thought stay puft is anything but a sour cream puff, as such I thought his attack on rubio was illfounded, the kind of staff that would decide to engineer the bridge imbroglio tells you much,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:26 pmRubio had problems, but he’d be winning in a landslide right now. As would most of the others.
Gang of Eight Rubio? Romney 2.0. Romney at this point in the election was estimated 10% of chance of winning. Trump is doing much better than that.
And we’re all forgetting now what we were afraid of during the primary: that Trump would go third party and take votes from the Republican nominee. Against Rubio, that certainly would have happened.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:27 pm@22- LOL
And, of course, that is your choice.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:28 pmnow it seems it’s only a half squirrel
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officials-looking-for-individuals-questioning-potential-us-terror-attack-ahead-of-election-day/
clearly they are lutherans right,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:30 pmKevin, … the world muddles on … it looks to me like it’s racing headlong into any number of confrontations and bloodshed. I didn’t realize you were such an optimist.
WWII kicked off with the invasion of Poland, but it took nine months for that boil to erupt. Was the world muddling on when Austria was incorporated into the Third Reich?
These things take time. Iran hasn’t even tested its bomb yet. Don’t be so impatient.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:30 pmMr. Hanna at #44: I don’t mean to fight with you, but honestly. DJT keeps making really stupid mistakes, over and over again. Rubio wouldn’t have, based on his history. Sure, you may not like how Rubio stands on immigration…but if DJT becomes POTUS, I will bet you much hard currency he won’t do as he said off the cuff. Then what you can say?
No, experienced politicians who don’t make repeated rookie mistakes like (i) not prepping for debates, (ii) attacking individuals via Twitter, (iii) having endless business problems, and (iv) having a history of saying really stupid things about women…ad infinitum.
I know you support DJT, and that’s fine. But you cannot seriously be claiming that people would like Rubio *less* now than Trump if Rubio had been the nominee. Again, given Trump’s repeated behavior.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:37 pmAnd Trump running third party?
Really?
This is the guy with no ground game. Why, I would bet he wouldn’t have filed the paperwork.
And that is based on his current set of behaviors.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:38 pmnarcio … they are lutherans right … close, they are also veterans who served their country, have actually paid Federal income taxes all their adult life, and never sought to live on food stamps. A simple query in almost any Federal database will yield the needed list of victims. And this is a much smaller group, meaning it is more readily isolated. Remember Ayers … there is a formula for this stuff.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:38 pmI think they realized if they focused too much attention on this, like the gitmo detainee sprung just three years ago, who was issuing fatwas it would look bad, as for secretary john gill, who is it that needs reassurance and makes late era howard hughes appear like a social butterfly,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:43 pmIssuessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
otto (6617e7) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:45 pmare the metaphors understood, or is my heuristic too advanced,
btw, there’s an irony, that warren beatty is older now than hughes ever lived on to be, much less when around in the period of the film,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:45 pmWe already know Trump is vindictive from his treatment of Cruz,
why are we concerned about what a Clinton devotee writes in the NYT??
We are wasting time and energy.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmI don’t know, the wit and wisdom of glenn thrush wasn’t available,
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officials-looking-for-individuals-questioning-potential-us-terror-attack-ahead-of-election-day/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:51 pm@35… Hillary cancelled her only appearance yesterday because of rain.
Haven’t you heard? The WikiWitch of the West avoids water from bottles, glasses, cups and clouds.
“I’m melting! melting! Oh, what a world! What a world!” – Wicked Witch of the West [Margaret Hamilton] ‘The Wizard of Oz’ 1939
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:51 pmoops sorry he’s probably a razorback adviser
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/05/msnbc-commentator-fbi-spy-catchers-took-down-victor-davis-hanson/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:52 pmThe internet is a giant garbage can. Good for Trump that he is restrained in his browsing. And there’s no reason for him to do word processing, spread sheets, photo shops or power point presentations personally. In short, what he need a computer for?
And the NYT is a propaganda organ of the DNC.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 5:57 pmcarlos slim’s chimps don’t even their own paper, and frankly how many bananas would it take to make mo dowd seem palatable not to mention comandante krugman
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:01 pmAh well. #47 makes a point that I had not considered. What are the odds, do you think, that if Hillary is elected that by the end of her term, or sooner, Iran will be testing its first nuclear device – the gizmo as the boys from Oakridge used to call it during WWII? High? Now, ponder the same concerning a Trump administration.
I am taken aback that I had not factored this into the equation. Hell, it may be the overriding concern. I believe I know the answer to this question. Huh.
Estarcarus (9f79f5) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:08 pmThat’s two questions. The answers are, in the order you asked them: no, and pretty much, yeah.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:09 pmwell even with stuixtney, they have not shown great technical proficiency, but the chosen equivalent could be the saudi oil fields, like that erdman potboiler from 1975,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:11 pma whole tray of pork sausages
wow
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:15 pmDesperate Maudie is pitching thermonuclear war scares again tonight. And she again tells the world there’s a four minute window between a presidential order and missiles away.
Might be more secure to put it in an email, dear.
“Stella, shut up!” – Harry Mudd [Roger C. Carmel] ‘I Mudd’ – ‘Star Trek’ NBC TV, 1967
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:18 pmhe’s supposed to be tweeting all the time, the story reads like kurt eichenwald’s increasingly desperate messages in a bottle, trump traded with cuba, bought foreign steel, is training a clone army,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:22 pmPatricia, could you back up your assertion some? As you do, please respond to this:
http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Kennedy-Bush/Richard-M-Nixon-Dirty-tricks.html
I know Glenn Reynolds told us the bureaucracy always carries out leftists’ orders and valiantly resists orders from Republicans. But I am not sure that is actually true.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:25 pmmore often then not, they run into massive resistance, and the authors of such often went to jail, we can’t even get a simple impeachment going, whereas comey did his best brutus (or cassius) impression against gonzalez, the likes of gellman and scott shane,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:34 pm“I know Glenn Reynolds told us the bureaucracy always carries out leftists’ orders and valiantly resists orders from Republicans. But I am not sure that is actually true.”
Any evidence to the contrary?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:37 pmWas the world muddling on when Austria was incorporated into the Third Reich?
Well, yes, and perhaps even after Munich, but it was probably obvious to everyone by then. We’ve gotten better at kicking the can down the road. You could go back to Carter’s trip to North Korea as the real point when this went off the rails — we should have made clear then that nukes were not a good way to get security.
I just don’t see Trump as being particularly worse than Obama has been. Would Hillary be better? She’d be more cautious, and kick some more can, but that may not be the best move.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:43 pmwhat lesson did she learn from iraq, no troops on the ground, or hire the terrorists to train the rebels,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmThis is the guy with no ground game. Why, I would bet he wouldn’t have filed the paperwork.
“Filed the paperwork?”
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get on the ballot as a third party in some states? OK and IL to name two. If Trump thinks the system is rigged now….
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:46 pm“Seething vindictive Donald Trump”? True.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:47 pm“Wretched, spiteful, straight razor-toting Hillary”? Also true.
and benghazi was part of this who fustercluck,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:47 pmMr. Trump’s a good-hearted guy trying to do what’s right
you can’t say that about the pig
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:50 pmah you see why they have been keeping on the downlow
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:51 pmhttp://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2016/11/06/fbi-interviewingmuslims-texas-alleged-al-qaeda-terrorthreat-community-leader-says
Patterico still seems to believe that a lot of Trump supporters are stupid. Sadly, I am tempted to feel that way about #NeverTrumpers. Except, I know they are not stupid, just remarkably unwise.]
Yes, many of us who will vote for Trump know his negatives. And, we’d rather have someone else. But we don’t have that choice, and unlike the #NeverTrump folks who signal their virtue every day, again, and again, we will vote in a way that might actually improve things.
I hold to the Flight 93 analysis. Voting for Trump is playing Russian roulette. Voting for Hillary is doing it with all the cylinders loaded!
John Moore (508b53) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:52 pmi love it how obama did terrorism all up in it then passed the baton to the pig
it is so good
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:52 pm“Stella, shut up!” – Harry Mudd
Didn’t work out so well for Mudd, did it?
And did you know that Harry Mudd was based on a real person named Henry T Mudd?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:53 pmwell kirk built a robot army of stellas, seems to be an exceedingly harsh penalty
now she’s really more a red queen prototype,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 6:56 pmAnd I happen to disagree that it would actually improve things. I do not insult and belittle you for your opinion and your vote (as long as you were not an avowed Trumper who voted Trump in the primaries, in which case all bets are off). Why do you feel the need to insult and belittle me, and insult my voting decision?
BECAUSE INTERNET AND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME THEN YOU ARE THE BAD
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:03 pmHuh. And here I thought I had offered some, in the very comment you quoted from.
How did you manage to pass your eyes over two paragraphs of evidence, to arrive at a conclusion that you then quoted as if I had simply made the statement out of the blue?
Take issue with the evidence I offered, but good God, man, don’t just pretend it’s not there.
That’s just damned irritating and makes me feel like I am wasting my time with you.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:05 pmI have said this so many times it’s hard to believe you have not seen me say it before. After all, I have seen your Flight 93 analogy before. But anyway, in case you somehow missed something I have said several dozen times before:
I divide Trump supporters into two main categories.
1. People who opposed him in the primary, but reluctantly support him now because Hillary. I do not agree with that position, but I respect it and do not insult the people who hold it. (9 times out of 10, they insult me, berate me, nag me, etc. But I do not insult them.)
2. People who supported him in the primary, who may not all be stupid but are presumed stupid until proven otherwise, because Trump, for Chrissakes.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:08 pmLets take a moment for absent friends, fallen and mangled in the gears of this election cycle.
Ropelight
Rev Hoagie
MG
Salute
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:09 pmwell that description is shorthand, both kennedy and johnson went after nixon’s family and not just don, just like the huntress’s was subject to seven times, lbj was a legendary crook, nixon hard to see why, but dan rather’s sobriquet stuck,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:12 pmP,
MD in Philly (0e80f6) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:14 pmI don’t know how to judge anything said in that narrative, I don’t see any references,
and while unauthorized wiretaps are not something I would ever defend,
if the worst Nixon ever did was to find out dirt on his political enemies,
that would still be preferable to the harassment and obstruction sent in the direction of conservatives in the last few years.
mort halperin, at the time, was trying to force a coalition govt on the rvn, giving up the advantage we had secured by force of arms, he would ultimately go full vizzini, supporting phillip agee lake was naive to say the least re the nva sanctuaries, he was also part of the agee support cell, they are somewhat like binney and drake are now,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:20 pmDon’t let these shakes go on.
It’s time we had a break from it.
Veteran of 1000 Psychic Wars – Blue Oyster Cult [YouTube]
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:22 pmWow, we’re citing The New York Times‘ unbiased reporters’ observations about the Republican nominee during his downtime in settings where there’s often no other disputing perspective.
Next, let’s ask the coyotes and bobcats if they approve of the way that Farmer John has enclosed the chicken coop!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:25 pmAs I read that, Patterico, you are talking about events that happened close to a half century ago. Times have changed, no? Back then, there were honorable people who stepped up and did the right thing to stop that. For chrissakes, what/where is the evidence that there are people in these bureaucracies that do that today, or MSmedia that has any interest in investigating or reporting this sort of thing?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:26 pmBureaucrats will serve whomever is in power. To say that they will not follow their orders if they come from Trump as opposed to Hillary contradicts all historical experience in all places and in all times. Police and soldiers too.
Maybe the Trump stork will eat only the blue frogs and not the red frogs? Good luck with that.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:29 pmThe bureaucracy, education system, the “culture”, nearly everything has been compromised by the left. All to plan.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:30 pm@ John Moore, #76:
Yes, you’re totally not signaling virtue by saying this. You know, unlike those other people.
Clearly your left brain cell doesn’t know what your right one is doing.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:31 pmIf you are talking about the federal bureaucracy, you are only kidding yourself if you don’t think even lawful orders are resisted. They are entrenched, dug in, working from fortified emplacements.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:35 pmwe were giving him the benefit of the doubt,
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/04/maher-slow-moving-right-wing-coup-in-us-i-dont-trust-nc-gop-not-to-hack-voting-machines/
wonder if he’s been talking to voldemort,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:36 pmKelly Anne Conway to ‘Hannity’ this evening: ‘Odds are 54%’ [Fox News] will declare Donald J. Trump the next President of the United States Tuesday night.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:36 pmTrump did not say anything original when he said the election was rigged. Both his 47% and Hillary’s 47% believe the same thing.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:42 pmyes it’s rigged in her favor, the dnc operative in robes, trying to steal ahia, much they were able to do four years ago, by putting a chokehold on the tea party,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:44 pmpapertiger (c8116c) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:09 pm
Kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:47 pmKeeping Hoagie in your prayers is, given his health, very appropriate. But he is not a Trumpkin, merely a Hillary=Satan voter who is voting against Satan.
Harassment of leftists is certainly preferable to harassment of conservatives, yes, yes.
…If you’re a conservative.
…Who doesn’t care about abuse of power when directed at others.
Otherwise, yeah, wiretapping of political enemies is pretty frickin’ vile no matter which side it is directed at.
OH MY there I go virtue signaling again!!
It’s OK. When I read “virtue signaling” these days, I read it as “standing up for the right thing at some personal cost, as all your former friends throw tomatoes at you from the sidelines.”
I invite anyone who thinks I am just virtue signaling to leave. What is keeping you here?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:51 pmIf there is a chance you think I am just acting honorably, and saying what I think, then please stay. Even if you disagree.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:52 pmI did not vote Trump primary but don’t think his voters dumb back then. A non Trump 2016 would mean likely no discussion about corrupt media or corrupt DC nor any focus on middle class getting destroyed.
This thing he has is has is a continuation of the revulsion and anger borne of the Tea Party mixed with the normal reaction to white Christian bashing which has become a societal and cultural cancer. Dare say an evil in our society no less pernicious than force Govt segregation. Turn on a TV for god sake. The white hate is everywhere and for no good reason.
Really liked Walker Cruz and Rubio but that is not what folks wanted. Does not make the Trump folks bad or dumb. Frankly I hear greater lack of wisdom from the nevertrump people than I do from the trump folks. Starting with their inability to understand HRC will further the culture war on traditional Americans, and trust me Dems will begin to go after blacks and hispanics of traditional beliefs soon. You see it every time they call them Toms for not being on the DNC plantation.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:52 pmI know, right? Ted Cruz never mentioned that stuff, even once!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:56 pmJust *presumptively* dumb. There might be a dozen of them or so out of the millions who voted Trump who aren’t morons. It’s possible. Theoretically.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:57 pmropelight: disappeared for who knows what reason.
Hoagie: not actually absent. Left me a nice comment tonight.
mg: banned for good reason; never apologized; never expected him to.
Not sure why you connect these three very different situations.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:59 pmit’s a reality, perhaps a consequence of any sufficiently state apparatus, the plotters against harold wilson, the zinovieve telegram,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 7:59 pmAnd I enthusiastically support Trump because HRC means less good in this world whereas Trump represents more good.
Being “principled” in this case means tipping to scales to less good. And that type of principle I do not want. It lacks wisdom.
So if he loses I hope one of my three clean up their act for 2020, get rid of the PC bs, and talk like a normal human being and earn all our votes. And Walker, Cruz and Rubio all came off smarmy which is why they lost. Good riddance to Kasich, the fat guy, and the Bush family.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:00 pm103 = condescending
And Ted Cruz would be blown far off course … Media would have pulled Ted to the subjects of its choice.
Trump for all the crap gets people focused on what he wants/does.
His issue is he does not always use that power properly.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:03 pmIn the culture war, Trump is a Quisling. He is as fully a part of the degeneracy as any “leftie” you’d care to name.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:03 pmYou’re still a category 1. It’s the people who think Trump is objectively awesome on his own whom I consider presumptive morons.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:04 pm…and yet your solution Patterico is to not vote for Trump (in fact to continually trash him and post lie & innuendo) and thereby help elect Clinton and get 4-8 more years of the misery you admit exists.
you are of the false belief that all there is only chaos and no choices, and therefor recommending for people to do nothing.
as an analogy, the biggest lie Satan has perpetrated is to convince people that God doesn’t exist i.e. that there is not some kind of counter to a known powerful evil such as Satan, even though Satan knows otherwise. Even though Satan is a fallen believer of God, and knows God exists.
I am not saying Trump is God. Far from it. I know Trump is a fallen human being. But if we gave 8 to 16 years to the Clintons & Obama Dynasties and another 16 years to the Bush Dynasty, and at the conclusion of each of these political dynasties, they each dwarfed the debt of all presidents before them, had endless wars, expanded abortion term limits and funding, I am willing to give Trump a chance to change the current satanic system of government & political leaders.
Trump has seen the evil from the inside. He knows how to fight it. Whereas the Clintons and Obamas are scared sh*t-less because of Trump’s knowledge on how to subvert their liberal satanic plans to solidify institutional radical liberalism.
Trump is their worst nightmare: an American who believes in America. Even though they are “Americans”, the Clintons, Obamas and Bushes don’t believe in protecting American institutions, borders and values: they are fallen Americans and do not believe in our ideals except to use the branches of government to help themselves get rich or bring misery to others. Yet they all know they can be stopped.
Trump is not Satan and he is not God: He is an average american, filled with human weaknesses, BUT who has ALSO worked hard and tried to do something with his life and loves America.
…more than i can say for the “nation-building” and drug using & drug selling Clintons, Bushes and Obamas.
why is Trump not worth a chance to change things if we all gave chances to the Bushes and Romneys (EACH political dynastic families who were both dyed-in-the-wool anti-Reagan, anti-conservatives and pro-abortion) ? and the tax-increasing & debt increasing Bushes, Clintons and Obamas?
you promote chaos, madness & satanic folly but promoting not voting for any candidate or for voting against Trump.
thatjohnguy (20e1e6) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:04 pmRepublicans would be very wise to learn from Trump. His instincts are right even if his follow thru and temperment lack. HRC is just pure corrupt awful and a darker world with no shot at better.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:06 pmon some things, true, but the left keeps moving the overton window to eleventy,
I use the haberman piece as a template to what they are not covering, apparently there are indications that there may have been an attack attempted but our friends at cair, are working hard at hiding the tracks,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:07 pm“lie”? You’re insta-banned. If you produce a lie, or even a decent argument that I have lied, I’ll un-moderate you.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmTwo days. Two days until this sh*t-show wraps. Please… please. Sweet mother of mercy, let this revolting thing conclude. I can’t stand to see so many people beating their heads against a brick wall in a discussion that DCSCA (of all people) has had pegged from the get-go (as one can tell from how proud he is of himself, spam and all).
Leviticus (012305) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmthe new york times apparently did an interview with mrs salman, they didn’t say where she’s been, or what she’s been doing for the last three months,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:11 pmThe former head of the IRS at the time recalls taking what a stand against Nixon’s orders. Can you imagine anyone saying that about Obama or Hillary?
But I have no doubt that Nixon did lots of what your article says he did. But times have changed too.
And now, in an age where the “personal is political” the IRS folks didn’t even need direct orders to investigate conservative groups. They just did it! I can’t imagine anyone in any bureaucracy standing up to Hillary or even waiting for a direct order. Mark Steyn said it best, that if Trump is elected, it will be like a third party candidate. Both sides of the aisle as well as the bureaucracy will thwart him (and win any battles, I bet.)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/26/irs-chief-defied-nixon/2360951/
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:12 pmCAIR is a great example where objectively I am sure Trump and Hillary would be materially no different in how they treat them.
Trump however would allow the Bureacracy to call them the liars they are. HRC not so.
That to me is why Trump brings more good to the world.
Planned Parenthood same. List goes on.
Even if totally ineffective and not advancing of good causes … simply allow the truth be told makes Trump more worthy than Hillary.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:12 pmI know; I have thought the same thing.
But let’s not kid ourselves.
In two days begins the “SEE IT’S YOUR FAULT PATTERICO IF WE HAD JUST ELECTED TRUMP THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!!” phase of the festivities.
And that will last at least four years.
I may shut down this blog if that keeps up for even months.
Or just shut down comments.
I have soldiered on through this shit thinking that there was a light at the end of the tunnel, and that it was Tuesday.
But if my friends harangue me like this, and there is no end in sight, I may just give up.
I have a feeling that would make a lot of people here very happy. And that thought might be the one thing that keeps me going. But, as between stubborn self-flagellation and desire to avoid misery, I’m not sure the former is going to win out in the long run.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:15 pmI don’t think so, a gorka or a general flynn will do what has to be done,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUQiUFZ5RDw
but as I pointed out with mr elibiary, the administration is the extension of these lobbies,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:16 pmIf that happens, you’ll probably still be able to find me at RedState. I seem to be appreciated there.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:16 pmThere’s a category you left off.
After the primaries are over and the nominee is decided, those who persist in supporting Hillary because of vaguely defined prejudices born of decades long demonization of the man by the democrats trained media dog team.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:17 pmTrumpkins look at Clinton and see their shrill, conniving ex-wife who took them for more than she deserved in their most recent divorce. Trumpkins look at Trump and see the man that they (inexplicably, revoltingly) wish they had been in that same divorce. They weren’t that man, of course – losers! though not for lack of trying – but they think they can somehow get back at their ex-wives with a presidential vote.
Leviticus (012305) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:18 pmAnd for what it’s worth, I’m not someone who routinely threatens to shut down the blog just to get a pat on the back.
I have been pretty miserable for weeks now. It will never cause me to change what I say, as has clearly happened to many others. But the image of beating one’s head against the wall seems pretty apt. After a while, your head hurts and you wonder why you’re doing it.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:19 pmhere’s the level of subtlety that is allowed, because that’s all that matters,
http://therightscoop.com/boo-hoo-trump-supporters-demand-fbi-director-killed-treason/
they are moving past balloon juice into depleted uranium,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:22 pmAnd yet, oddly, since I joined RedState I have been bitten by the blogging bug again, and have had a lot of fun stringing what I hope are entertaining sentences together, for the first time in a while.
It’s hard to imagine giving it up. But I’m not going to spend four years arguing with people in comments like I have the past few weeks.
It could be the solution is that I just stop interacting with people in comments entirely. Or maybe interact only with people I respect, and who don’t try to personally blame me for the election of a harpy I opposed at all times.
I don’t know. I’ll have to think about it. But the last few weeks are for the birds.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:23 pmI have said it before: as a blogger? I hope Trump wins.
It’s easy content, and the I told you so’s will be never-ending and epic.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:24 pm“In two days begins the “SEE IT’S YOUR FAULT PATTERICO IF WE HAD JUST ELECTED TRUMP THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!!” phase of the festivities.
And that will last at least four years.”
– Patterico
I have the same worry, but I also know that people go insane in the buildup to these elections. The rhetoric is completely overblown in every leadup, and I’ve seen three times now how people who are at absolute loggerheads on Nov. 7 get back to the substantive debates on around Dec. 1 or so.
I’ve seen it happen before, and hope and believe it will happen again.
The drive-by morons will go back to their moms’ basements.
Leviticus (012305) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:25 pmbut in the more wistful sense of things,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4flAZEgtjs
this primary has been carp, then it went on like the never ending story, like macho grande, like the infinitely absurdly long name of the very silly party candidate in the python election sketch,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:25 pmWise beyond your years.
My short-term plan is to do an epic post that is titled: “NO, TRUMP WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BETTER” to have something to give people every time they try to blame me. Part of the post will be to say: this substitutes for an individualized response, because if you are blaming me for this, I already think you’re an asshole, and you don’t deserve any more response than a link to this post.
Then, when people make that argument, I post the link, and nothing else. When they complain the link is insufficient, or does not address their arguments, I post the link again. And so on.
With any luck, I’ll drive off all the assholes, and the good folks will remain.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:28 pmbecause this and spinal tap and princess bride is the only way to rationally grasp, what churchill called ‘the worst of all systems, except for all the others’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:29 pmAre you saying Hillary Clinton is not, in fact, literally a GOD DAMN DEMON?
Because that’s damned close to TRAITOR TALK, my friend.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:30 pmI’ve been on the inside of a Congressional campaign, not at the top but near the top. The vitriol against the opponents was something I had never seen before and … wait for it … this was in the primary. People whom we’d want on our side in the general.
I read once that politicians take the loss of an election a lot more sanguinely than their supporters do. I think it’s true.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:33 pmwell she would be a client at wolfram and hart, just saying, joss whedon doesn’t understand the meaning of his own work
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:33 pmWikileaks dropped another bomb on CNN.
Pretty darn corrupt these media types. DNC happy to play along.
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:35 pmIn Donald Trump’s America, teasing Alex Jones will not be tolerated. He is a nice man, and certainly not a moron. You have been warned.
Leviticus (012305) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:35 pmwe once had a local election, where the local radio station was fanning the flames, over challenging the city council, it was so fractuous, we almost called in jimmy carter to mediate (joke) many races up ballot were ignored,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:35 pmHey, you’re appreciated here too! But yes the drive-by partisan comments, ugh. Maybe you should charge a fee like ricochet? Whatever you do, don’t use disqus!
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:37 pmyes, discus is dark magic, formed on mount doom,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:39 pm#131 problem is in a shooting war you can’t be so contemplative while sitting on one side of the fence with your hands crossed. Actually a bit unethical to do so and then claim to be helping. Hamlet was great and all but boy was he a f@@@ing loser pu$$y
Hi ho hi ho (42bad1) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:40 pmAnd Donald Trump wouldn’t? They’re both exactly the sort of clients Wolfram and Hart would want on the roster: rich, influential, and possessing no scruples whatsoever. If you didn’t find them both at meetings of the Circle of the Black Thorn, palling around with Izzy, I’d be shocked as hell.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:43 pmsometimes it takes a while for the news to get down under,
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/hillary-by-a-short-halfhead/news-story/69402c911b70d67d131130990d264871
the abc and the morning herald, did a great job, of forcing out abbott and replacing him with trumbull,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:44 pmglad you caught the reference, last time whedon suggested romney would bring about the zombie apocalypse, so this offering was mild by comparison,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:46 pmI guess I’m tired of the nixon ad hominen, there were certainly problems with his economic policy, but it’s dubious, anyone had a real alternative ready to go in 1969-73. he did have a plan for ending war, but it entailed not surrendering the gains we had made,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:52 pmtrump did rallies in four states today, a little more than his usual three, ‘prince albert in a can’ does one maybe two and then calls it a day, she can’t get a high school gym in raleigh filled, and she does a little bet with a warmup act,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 8:59 pmI’ve thought about creating a pay-only comments section. To be honest, I always felt that an open comments section benefited ME personally, because I got tips and feedback from even drive-by people who might not bother even to complete a free registration.
But there has always been a contingent who would rather not deal with the nastiness.
So it’s always been a balance for me.
I wonder, if I charged a nominal fee (say $10 a month) how many people would be willing to pay to have a comments section populated only by people who cared enough to pay.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:02 pmI’d still keep a free section, I think. I can’t imagine not doing that. But maybe every post would have a section open for the elite members only.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:03 pmwell you could go back to philosophical musing, there was some jesuitical conclusions, but less inane then this round robin,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:07 pmFrankly, it’s less of a money-making idea and more of a “this might make a handful of people happy” idea. Just having some skin in the game might make people more civilized — and I am certain there are people who would like that experience more.
Maybe I’d charge only $5. I dunno. It would really be about making people happy.
And the benefit would be, I would probably populate the paid comments section and not much bother with the unpaid. Maybe it could actually keep me involved in comments — since who would want to pay a monthly fee just to abuse me? (And even if they did want to, it might offend others, who could vote the person out. Oh yeah, I said it: vote them out. Kind of like the old exile they did in Athens, where for any reason people could be voted out and into exile.)
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:10 pmThat’s the second time you mentioned that. What philosophical musings, in particular, did you like? Any examples of posts? Links are ideal, but even subject matter is OK if you can’t find a link. I just don’t know what you mean.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:11 pmI’m already in contact with TechGuy to see if this is feasible.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:13 pmthat whole series on economic policy, from thomas woods,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:13 pmI have been pretty miserable for weeks now. It will never cause me to change what I say, as has clearly happened to many others. But the image of beating one’s head against the wall seems pretty apt. After a while, your head hurts and you wonder why you’re doing it.
Try months. You sound like my late father defending Nixon ubti he was ‘resigned’ to the inevitable. This is child’s play compared to the food fights through Watergate.
That finally ended. This will, too. Tuesday.
“My fellow Americans, our long, national nightmare is over.”– President Gerald R. Ford, August 9, 1974
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:16 pmubti= until. Sorry. Typo.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:17 pmnow really man of mystery, virtue signalling after 42 years, what exactly was the great transgression that made nixon out of bounds to the hall of presidents,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:19 pm@143- he did have a plan for ending war, but it entailed not surrendering the gains we had made…
Don’t go there. He didn’t. And his own notes say the bombings accomplished ‘zilch.’ The mistake is past and buried. But it sure was good for business at the time.
“Vee believe peace is dhat hand.”- Henry Kissinger, October 26, 1972
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:27 pmdon’t go there, it took twenty years, to get into vietnam, it’s a wonder we were out in four, for the most part, but age of aquarius thinking doesn’t comprehend that, the chosin reservoir referred above, cost over a 1,000 direct fatalities, and a 19 fold on the enemies side,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:32 pmI still owe the last 4-5 installments or so from Bob Murphy’s book.
I have more stuff coming on economic policy, and I want to get more people involved with Woods’s Liberty Classroom. The election has taken precedence, but later this month I’ll hit that stuff hard. It’s critical to liberty, and while Woods is not my favorite on foreign policy, he is the Isaac Asimov of economics: a crystal clear thinker who can make important concepts understandable to literally anyone with an interest in the topic.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:32 pmI haven’t given up on philosophical musings of that sort, narciso. I’m just getting started — and I’m really very pleased that you seem to have enjoyed it.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:33 pmBob Murphy’s book on ObamaCare is at least as relevant as his book on Mises, and chock-full of relevant info that people may not know.
ObamaCare is the biggest threat to America in 50 years.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:34 pmI agree about him on foreign policy, but as with ron paul on economic policy, maybe some foundations do need to be revised, nato did helped undergird the european welfare state, which they sneer at us, with unjustified disdain,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:36 pmditto, that is the gordian knot, or but it another way the puzzlebox from hellraiser,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:38 pmI think Trump might be right on NATO, and privately some conservative friends tell me the same.
Woods has opened my mind a LITTLE on foreign policy, but I still find that he puts his trust in any crazy lefty who opposes war. Remember Juan Cole? Remember that insane Larisa Alexandrovna?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:46 pmyikes, there was a time not that long ago, when juan cole was a rather insightful scholar on shiite issues, but he dialed to eleventy, as for larissa double yikes, it’s sometimes for them too easy to just refer to appleman williams or kolko, and say qed,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:49 pmAll that being said, Woods has had a more profound effect on my intellectual development in the last three years than anyone on the planet. He is a wonderful communicator and he is SPOT ON when it comes to the economy.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:52 pmOne of these days I’ll put out my reading list. There are dozens of titles recommended (or written) by Woods and his fellow travelers.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:53 pmjust like caldwell’s bio of mises and hayek, really set up the liberty network to that other list/wagner and moller paradigm,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 9:57 pmit’s not light reading but it’s a start,
https://mises.org/library/hayek%E2%80%99s-challenge-intellectual-biography-fa-hayek-bruce-caldwell
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:04 pmYou might be my smartest commenter.
It just takes 10 minutes of research per comment to figure out what you mean,
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:06 pmthe practical reality about nato is the immediate threat to mons is not volodya it’s molenbeek, same for paris and st. denis,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:07 pmthanks, as with this piece,
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/05/thomas-woods/do-conservatives-hate-their-own-founder/
which assumes that russell kirk is predominant among the founder, neal freeman is probably the successor in that branch, however since the time of the original piece, I’ve come to the conclusion that the gulf war was illconsidered,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:29 pmPatterico, this has always been your place. Your place, your rules.
I am always amazed by the people who don’t understand that, or don’t care.
I hope you keep blogging.
There are many commenters who post here from whom I learn a lot.
There is also some weirdness, yes.
But it is your place.
If I had to pay 5 or 10 dollars a month to see more commentary from the “old guard” of really interesting commenters, I surely would.
But it’s your party.
I appreciate your (and Dana’s and JVW’s) posts very much. It matters, even if some chooms have to act out and be yammerheads.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:29 pm162.I think Trump might be right on NATO, and privately some conservative friends tell me the same.
He is.
That’s the business mind at work. What price, peace? They’ve been freeloading a bit since the USSR dissolved. And have good health systems and efficient infrastructure to show for it while America’s is crumbling. And Russia is a main supplier of energy to Europe as well these days. Unimaginable even 20 years ago. They have a lot more at risk to lose, now. ‘Bout time they carried more of a fair share of the load. The Cold War and WW2 are long closed chapters of the last century.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:31 pm@Patterico
Just curious- have you ever been to Europe– to visit or reside?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:36 pmnow russia as well as part of eastern europe is more a bulwark against the relativity of the west, this is why the gay marriag issue was preeminent in the denunciation of volodya, rather than his adventures in the caucuses, what schindler calls the WEIRD coalition, no irony,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:38 pmyou generally are a fool man of mystery, even when you’re right by accident, you can’t rationalize why,
now was iraq, really a monstrous war, as wood’s subsequent collection puts it, but there were certainly issues that denunciation of strauss, by the likes of jeet heer, don’t quite get at,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:41 pmQuote:
This is the first time in months (since the primary?) that I’ve bothered to read the comments on a post. All along, I’ve been reading the articles, here and at Redstate. I would guess the readers who do likewise would be perhaps, 50,100 to one? I gave up wasting time on the predominantly inane, insulated navel-gazing stuff most commenters put here, way too much time wasted in plowing through all that self-important tripe. I was glad to see Mr. F. maintaining a resolute standard of logic and principle all this time, knowing the sort of juvenile ankle-biting that would be trailing in his wake, here.
If there was a way of screening or blocking the peanut gallery commenters, it might be a worthwhile exercise again.
Luke Stywalker (1fa347) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:00 pm@125. RedState is a retreat for you.
You’re better than that.
One can disagree but still respect your POV. And expect the same in return.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:01 pmTo visit, many times. Why?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:29 pm@178– Just wondering. Visits versus living abroad and so forth for a time. It broadens perspective on how we’re viewed from outside. As a people. Our infrastructure and so forth. Far too many Americans never get the opportunity to look in from he outside.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:43 pmI’ll be honest here. If Trump wins on Tuesday, I’ll go to bed happy. Then in the coming days I’ll grab the popcorn and watch the left collectively LOSE their minds.
Of course, it’s highly unlikely that some silent majority will overcome 2 million additional Latino voters and many women who have come out in force to vote. I’m bracing myself for a landslide loss.
If Trump loses but wins OH and FL, then we would have averted a larger disaster. Truth be told, Trump winning either of those two states might be signs of bad things to come for the Clinton admin.
lee (55777a) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:48 pmNever to live. Many visits of 2-3 weeks at a time. 7 weeks after taking the Bar. A total of probably close to 5-6 months total, overall. It’s a guess. Why?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:53 pmI don’t know that several visits have given me any giant perspective, any more than visits to Africa or Russia have. Some, I guess. But I don’t want to overstate it.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/6/2016 @ 11:54 pm@181. Just wondering. No hidden intent at all. Seeing/experiencing how the U.S. is viewed from outside in can be a surprise or a reinforcement. It’s just so many Americans have never had the experience.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/7/2016 @ 12:00 am@182- When were you in Russia?
My visit to the Soviet Union was in April, 1971. Calley was on trial in America and the Russians were holding a party conference in Moscow. The town was painted red.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/7/2016 @ 12:03 amR.I.P. Janet Reno
Icy (7ba0ea) — 11/7/2016 @ 1:56 am@185- She lived in Florida, right? No doubt Maudie’s people first asked if she’d voted absentee before ordering flowers.
RIP AG Janet Reno. 78 is relatively young.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/7/2016 @ 2:15 amHe uses an Android smartphone to use Twitter. (any tweets not from an Android are not by him)
I did read this, althogh not, I think, that he does not use a standard computer at all. The New York ikmes artivle links to this March article, which shows a picture of Donald Trump in 2010 at a desk that does not conain a computer. (But why should it be at his main desk? It could even be just outside the picture frame, although there probably is not one there.)
This is the kind of a case where a person learns one thing, but he does not learn all the other things. He probably does not use a typewriter, so it must be that he dictates letters and other writings, except qhen they are written for him, which may be a lot, or when he uses a phone.
In 2013, he said he uses email, but rarely. Gizmodo said that could be Donald Trump being given a message and dictating a response via email. Well, Gizmodo didn’t actually say given a message.
By the way, he stopped tweeting without consultation the last few days.
Donald Trump does get news from the Internet but most likely he does not do his own browsing, but articles are printed out for him, and probably selected as well. Which means somebody else can propagandize him, which is also probably easy since he is not that curious, doesn’t comprehend new unknown things easily, and is mainly interested anyway in if something can help him, or, in this case, help his campaign, or would help his campaign if somebody believed it. He will repeat things regardless of whether or not it is really true, or stands up under analysis, even casual analysis. That’s how he got into the Ted Cruz’s father meets Oswald situation. He’s not trying to avoid error. Just embarassment, maybe.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/7/2016 @ 2:43 amIt’s really bad Janet Reno died without facing justice, even public disapprobation, and hopefully this won’t happen with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
She was just a tool, though. She made some malcious prosecutions while in Miami (especially of supposed sex offenders with children) covered up other things.
Janet Reno, I am sure, followed orders to authorize the end in Waco. It was not her idea. Bill Clinton had contrived to make it look like she was independent and his third choice (among a limited number of people because he said he was going to appoint a women) which I don’t believe.
The disqualifications of Zoë Baird and Kimba Wood for the office of U.S. Attrney general were planned from the start.
Janet Reno’s order was very carefully worded and done by surprise when other people were off for the weekend. It said the perimeter should be reduced, and if there was firing they could fire back or use tear gas – there was no firing but the FBI claimed there was – but they beyond the cakll of duty and did not fire back but only used tear gas – the tear gas was part of aplot to start a fire. The compound was destred without anyone indedpedent being able to check it – she said afterward “this was not supposed to be D-Day” yet was watching it and everyone knew the FBI was demanding an immediate surrender. You see, everybody was protected.
Bill Clinton had to burn down and destroy the compound and kill most of the people in there (who could testify as to events of Feb 28, 1993) to protect Jay William Buford, head of the BATF in Little Rock, who had murdered 3 of his own men in front of KWTX-TV cameras. The firing was. He fireds at 3 men who had just gone inside the second floor into a nonexistent armory. I think the reason was he wanted to make David Koresh look bad and justify the raid in retrospect. He was a key person involved in the writing of the search warrant and knew there were no illegal guns there. He had added some irrelevant sex allegations nearr he end of the investigation.
So to avoid criticism and look like a hero he had get some law enforcement people killed. Nobody would care too much about the details. To make sure some were killed, he had to kill them himself. No people were identifiable but a moment by moment timeline of the raid would have exposed all that happened.
On Feb. 28 Buford hadn’t taken account of this newfangled thing called a cell phone, which Koresh had access to even after his land lines were disconnected from all but the people in charge of the raid, and he was able to contact people and get a ceasefire on Feb 28. This reated big problems for Buford. Bill Clinton and Jay William Buford were close, as reported in the March 9, 1993 Wall Street Journal.
Janet Reno also probably was involved with the malicious prosecution of Billy Dale in Washington, which was done to back up Clinton lies about the White House Travel Office. He was acquitted and they stopped compounding their crimes in that matter.
Janet Reno also attempted to get all investigations of Bill Clinton into the hands of a lawyer whom he could trust (Robert B. Fiske Jr) and after that failed, never authorized a special prosecutor for him, although she did authorize Kenneth Starr to continue the Monica Lewinsky investigation, but he was going to go ahead anyway. She did stop Donald C. Smaltz, the special prosecutor investigating former Secretary of Agriculture Mike Espy, (she authorized a LOT of special prosecutors, but not for Bill Clinton) from pursuing a lead to Clinton, telling him that was outside of the area he was authorized to investigate.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1995/eirv22n08-19950217/eirv22n08-19950217_082-espy_special_prosecutor_puts_pre.pdf
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-29/news/mn-48418_1_tyson-foods
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/7/2016 @ 3:29 amI have not read all of the comments,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/7/2016 @ 3:55 amI’ll just say what I said,
While I do not defend unauthorized wiretaps,
I think that is to be preferred to SWAT raids in early morning hours to take your computers and then be told that you will go to jail if you tell anyone,
Simply because you backed a different candidate than the local DA,
Or be charged with a crime
While merely doing your job as governor as in Texas,
That is all.
In 2 days whatever is next is just beginning,
I dislike giving more info than I need to anywhere, and dislike giving financially to yet another new website,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/7/2016 @ 4:56 amI imagine if I was more savvy I could easily find a way to limit my exposure, like a credit card with a $100 limit for all of my on line sign ins,
but there are many straws risking the breaking of the camel’s back.
Yes, it is your blog and you can do with it whatever you want,
you are annoyed with trumpsters
Some of us are annoyed both by Trumpsters and those reminding us of how bad Trump is, as if we don’t already know,
And as far as bureaucracies always doing what they are told,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:01 amthat never appeared to be a rule that the CIA kept with W.,
at least not some factions.
If both Trump and Clinton are as bad as feared by some,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:04 amall of this gnashing of electrons
is just rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic, anyway.
US v. Padilla. US citizen taken prisoner (arrested does not quite fit), by the federal government, on American soil (well, ok, it was New York), at first held without charge as a material witness with few of the rights that even criminals have, then as an enemy combatant in a naval brig with no rights at all, not even not to be tortured (sorry, enhancedly interrogated) by the CIA, on the certification of W.
That is cooperation not to be sneezed, I think.
nk (dbc370) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:11 am“TALKING POINT REACHED: IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE ALREADY NON-OBJECTIVE MSM TO DITCH OBJECTIVITY TO DEFEAT TRUMP:
Saturday’s New York Times anti-Trump roundup included an ironic compliment to the Trump campaign, which has freed journalists to label (Republican) politicians as liars and racists. Times editorial board member Brent Staples perversely celebrated “The Election That Obliterated Euphemisms.” The text box: “Donald Trump made it impossible to avoid the word ‘racist.’” Staples certainly didn’t.
Staples is following the path of colleague Jim Rutenberg’s notorious August 8 front-page opinion, “The Challenge Trump Poses to Objectivity,” which argued that treating Trump like a racist demagogue was a basic journalistic duty.
Ahh, the same media that concluded in 2012 that words such as “golf,” and “Chicago” were racist. The same newspaper whose columnist tweeted that year, “Stick that in your magic underwear,” to the Republican nominee. The same newspaper whose then-ombudsman wrote way back in 2004, “Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper? Of course it is.”
But this year was totally different from all of the previous election years. Until 2020, when (if Trump loses tomorrow) whoever the Republican nominee is, he’ll be considered a reactionary troglodyte compared to Trump’s nuanced views on abortion, gay rights, etc.
Just think of the media as Democrat operatives with bylines, and it all makes sense.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/248502/
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:53 am“CROOKED HILLARY: Wikileaks releases an internal campaign document examining “her vulnerabilities.”
Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “disregarded ethics guidelines” to raise more than $72 million for the U.S. Pavilion at the World’s Fair in Shanghai in 2010, taking money from big-name contributors who later “received favorable treatment” from her State Department and also contributed to her namesake foundation, according to a 2015 internal Clinton research document revealed Sunday by WikiLeaks.
“Her vulnerabilities” as a candidate will be vulnerabilities if she’s president. Except they’ll become national vulnerabilities.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/crooked-hillary-wikileaks-releases-an-internal-campaign-document-examining-her-vulnerabilities/
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:56 amAlways dependable… http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/exclusive-virginia-gov-pardons-60000-felons-enough-to-swing-election/
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 5:57 amObamaCare is the biggest threat to America in 50 years.
Amen.
And voting out obnoxious commenters? Excellent!
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/7/2016 @ 6:09 amHappy 98th birthday, Reverend Billy Graham
Icy (7ba0ea) — 11/7/2016 @ 6:27 amTake a break from posting for a week or two and get a few good runs in.
We’ll get by.
JP (f1742c) — 11/7/2016 @ 6:54 amIn that spirit, how about no open thread tomorrow night?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/7/2016 @ 6:57 amversus
i do not understand the underlying logics here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:06 am…uh either way he wins, same as the blowhard half of right-wing radio.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:08 amI am certainly not painting Patterico in that half, let me clarify.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:09 amI mean every word, Patterico. You are fair and tolerant man. But I am not “mangled in the gears of this election cycle” as you put it. I click over here six or seven times a day and catch up. It’s just that I only add something when I think nobody else has touched on it (from my point of view). Usually narciso or Steve57 or The Colonel hit it before I get a chance. I’m like that eye on the one dollar bill or my Masonic hall: I’m watchin’. Frankly, all I do is read, surf the net and “listen” to TV (can’t watch too much it’s so leftist any more) and exercise to keep in some shape for my transplant.
But I’m here, watchin’ and readin’ all your good stuff.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:26 amAnd Hoagie, no matter what, everyone (and me) wishes you good health and happiness.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:32 amHe was quoting papertiger
JP (f1742c) — 11/7/2016 @ 7:46 amDilbert’s reasoning is far less tortured and somewhat genuine compared to this twist:
http://www.kausfiles.com/2016/11/07/gotta-vote-sometime/
Bottom line, in a swingy state he would go HRC. Trump would win this if it was pure popular vote, no EC hands down.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:01 amThe political industrial complex the Clintons built needs to be fired while it’s still possible. Simple as that.
crazy (d3b449) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:10 amHang in there, Hoagie. You are in our thoughts and prayers.
Btw… my wife and I have our first grandson, Sebastian, healthy and 20.25″ long, 7lbs 8oz…. we are so thankful!
I’d warned my son that when grandson is of grade school age, it is likely that his male classmates will nickname him ” Seabass”, but he held firm with that choice.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:18 amColonel, you just can’t avoid bad nicknames.
A friend of mine was all proud she named her son “Kyle,” saying no one could make fun of it.
I looked at her, blinked, and half-sang “Kyle, Kyle, the big dog pile.”
And in fact that is what kids started to do.
Cruel, yes, but as someone with an odd name IRL, it can build character.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:25 amnk, true,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:36 amBut that one example doesn’t negate the Wilson yellow cake plame nonsense by a long shot,
“Bush lied people died” was a pretty big undermining
That is terrible, Simon. I guess it’s one of those when you have lemons, you make lemonade scenarios.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:42 amPeople can be cruel, Colonel. That’s why I got my sons into karate. They both have black belts now. They aren’t troublemakers, but they have the confidence to keep bullies at bay.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:48 amGood positioning! I can see it now… “kick his ass, Seabass!”
Just kiddin’!
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 8:51 amWell, my late father used to say that you needed to OWN comments like that. Sort of “A Boy Named Sue” approach.
He was awfully tough, and I miss him.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/7/2016 @ 9:05 amAndrew Klavan shares his logic… “ANDREW KLAVAN: Why I’ll Vote for Donald Trump.” https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2016/11/06/why-ill-vote-for-donald-trump/
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/7/2016 @ 9:29 amabdullah muhajir, who had his al queda application on file, who was assigned to work with el shukrijumah, the late future head of operations, someone who was in contact with atta, pre 2001, as the 28 pages show,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/7/2016 @ 9:33 amthen he was assigned to work with the ethiopian muhammed, who was ultimately released back to the uk, it turns out his initial trial, the judge was too lenient and bought his sob story,
as to the issue of preventive detention, we have seen it be bungled say during the troubles, and more to the point, the maywood case, an oregon atty and army explosives expert that somehow ended up a partial match at the site of the madrid train bombing, the one that gonzalez was striving to reestablish surveilance, the day comey had his tantrum, well he was detained for a spell without counsel then they said sorry about that,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/7/2016 @ 10:00 amContinuing best wishes, Hoagie.
Re the “skin in the game” comments section: Make it $1 quarterly, donated to one or more appropriate nonprofits of the blog owner’s choice. The bar can be very, very minimal — the point is that it not be “zero.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/7/2016 @ 10:02 am“It’s well known that he uses his phone to tweet. So if your point was that he can’t tweet without a computer, that’s a swing and a miss.”
I think that only in the context of an anti-Trump comment would you argue that a smartphone is not a computer.
Mike S (89ec89) — 11/7/2016 @ 12:38 pmHoagie,,
Thanks again. Please note, though, that I did not say you were mangled in the gears of the election. I was actually quoting someone in order to correct them.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/7/2016 @ 1:02 pmThis is all just a twinkle in my eye right now, Beldar, but while there is much to recommend your approach, there is a counter-argument: that people value things more when they pay for them.
Patterico (5b52e5) — 11/7/2016 @ 1:18 pm