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10/27/2016

Trump Knows He’s Losing, Plans “Voter Suppression” of Blacks (Not Really)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:30 am



Donald Trump for some reason granted exclusive access to his direct marketing and social media operation to a reporter from Bloomberg Businessweek, and the result is a long and detailed article titled Inside the Trump Bunker, With 12 Days to Go. Probably the most relevant part of the story is that, yes, Trump is doing internal polling . . . and he knows he’s losing:

Despite Trump’s claim that he doesn’t believe the polls, his San Antonio research team spends $100,000 a week on surveys (apart from polls commissioned out of Trump Tower) and has sophisticated models that run daily simulations of the election. The results mirror those of the more reliable public forecasters—in other words, Trump’s staff knows he’s losing. Badly. “Nate Silver’s results have been similar to ours,” says Parscale, referring to the polling analyst and his predictions at FiveThirtyEight, “except they lag by a week or two because he’s relying on public polls.”

. . . .

Trump’s team also knows where its fate will be decided. It’s built a model, the “Battleground Optimizer Path to Victory,” to weight and rank the states that the data team believes are most critical to amassing the 270 electoral votes Trump needs to win the White House. On Oct. 18 they rank as follows: Florida (“If we don’t win, we’re cooked,” says an official), Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia.

Oof. If you read my post yesterday about early voting, you know that early voting is dismal in North Carolina, and that Republicans’ slight edge in Florida early voting in smaller than it was in 2012, when Obama (narrowly) won the state. Meanwhile, polls in Pennsylvania look consistently dismal, with the latest of several shoes dropping this morning: a Pennsylvania poll showing Clinton up by 7 points.

Another note from the story is absolutely certain to be blown up and distorted by Big Media: a Trump staffer’s claim that the campaign is engaged in “voter suppression” of women and blacks:

To compensate for this, Trump’s campaign has devised another strategy, which, not surprisingly, is negative. Instead of expanding the electorate, Bannon and his team are trying to shrink it. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way,” says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans. Trump’s invocation at the debate of Clinton’s WikiLeaks e-mails and support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership was designed to turn off Sanders supporters. The parade of women who say they were sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton and harassed or threatened by Hillary is meant to undermine her appeal to young women. And her 1996 suggestion that some African American males are “super predators” is the basis of a below-the-radar effort to discourage infrequent black voters from showing up at the polls—particularly in Florida.

This passage — with its inflammatory quote about “three major voter suppression operations” including one targeting blacks — plays into every leftist stereotype of Republicans’ attitudes towards minority voters. To “suppress” something is to “forcibly put an end to” it. But Trump’s folks are not talking about sending beswastikaed alt-righters to polling places to glower at blacks while menacingly wielding Louisville Sluggers. They’re talking about persuading leftists, young women, and blacks to not want to vote for Hillary. This is not “suppression” but (as a friend notes to me) demoralization.

(And it’s not a bad idea. Because, frankly, low turnout is generally a good thing for those of us who believe in limited government. When only the most motivated people come to the polls, you get more education per voter capita, resulting in more informed voters and better results.)

And yet, the mindless and sensationalistic repeating of this “voter suppression” claim has already started, with the New York Post running a piece titled Trump campaign organizing voter suppression operations. What Big Media has really been salivating after in this race is undeniable evidence of Trump’s racism towards blacks. They were dubiously promised a recording of him using the n-word and this wishcasting never resulted in any actual evidence, but Big Media still wants something, and I believe they will latch onto this.

So, I predict that once leftist Big Media reporters (but I repeat myself) start to become aware of the allegations in this piece, it’s all you will hear about for one or two news cycles. If my prediction comes true, remember where you read it first.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

84 Responses to “Trump Knows He’s Losing, Plans “Voter Suppression” of Blacks (Not Really)”

  1. Another unforced error, but Trump only hires the best people.

    Sean (ba700d)

  2. i’m not just a winsome pikachu i’m also a strong black woman and I *love* Mr. Trump as opposed to that piggy criminal woman and I’ll tell you why

    this stagnation what our little country is suffering through will not only continue under hillary I truly believe it will worsen substantially, and you know what that is?

    It is no good!

    Mr. Trump on the other hand – he’s gonna throw all the marbles in a bag and shake em up! Then he’s gonna do the good policies what make for a brighter future for all americans!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. We’ll know soon enuf.

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  4. Trump needs to win Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Iowa, Nevada, Georgia, Texas(!), and Utah.

    Of those he may well lose FL, NC, AZ, CO, NV & UT (to McMullin). TEXAS is a swing state!

    Easy-peasy!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  5. Ronald Reagan once said that you win by getting more people to vote for you than for your opponent.
    What a crazy notion.
    He obviously didn’t know what he was talking about! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  6. Another unforced error, but Trump only hires the best people.

    It’s like watching a football game where one side scores touchdowns, the other side, safties.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  7. “VIA WIKILEAKS: What Top Democrats Really Thought About Hillary’s Private Server: “F*****g Insane.” I find these emails slightly comforting, as they suggest that people around Hillary aren’t all crazy. But then I remember that their concerns didn’t actually stop her.

    Related: Hillary Discovers That She’s Not As Smart As Henry Kissinger.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247508/

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  8. I can’t believe Mark Steyn, John Bolton, and Dick Cheney still intend to vote for Trump.
    They must be secret liberals.
    That Steyn guy is a Canadian, and even lived in England. And he likes Broadway musicals. So who knows! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  9. Colonel,

    But Trump can’t get any traction, even with all of that. Why? Because there are no undecideds. The only people still up in the air are those who don’t know which of his opponents they will vote for.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  10. Mr. Trump is the hot new thing in presidents and he’s for sure gonna be one of the best ones ever even better than Ronald Reagan.

    This is hard for some people to accept, but poop on them.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. If Steyn votes for Trump, he’s committing a crime. He’s a Canadian. You would think this would bother Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. even better than Ronald Reagan.

    Two differences:

    1) Reagan got elected.

    2) See 1)

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  13. Wanna bet that quote has been altered to make it inflammatory?

    NJRob (bcf15e)

  14. don’t be like that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. 11.If Steyn votes for Trump, he’s committing a crime. He’s a Canadian. You would think this would bother Trump.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/27/2016 @ 12:03 pm

    Trump gets one illegal vote from a Canadian while Kliiary gets 4 million from illegal Mexicans and you’re worried about Steyn?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  16. Kevin M,

    Didn’t Steyn become a citizen? I could be mistaken.
    Hmmm, you may be correct.
    But at the least, he’s still supporting Trump.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  17. Mr happyfeet, Ronald Reagan was the bestest president since Calvin Coolidge and Grover Cleveland.
    The Mr Donald won’t be able to hold a candle to his shining light.
    … especially considering the fact that stinkypig’s going to win.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  18. “you know that early voting is dismal in North Carolina”

    No, I don’t.

    In comparison to 2012’s performance, registered Democrats are 48 percent of the total in-person ballots coming in so far, down 13 percent from their same-day totals in 2012, while registered Republicans are 28 percent of the total, down slightly at 1 percent from their same-day totals in 2012, and registered unaffiliated voters are 24 percent of the total in-person ballots, up 27 percent from their 2012 same-day totals.

    I know propagandists are generating pap based upon total numbers to date without reference to historical data comparisons but a 1% drop is somewhat less dismal than a 13% drop and the 27% increase is among a group which splits 56R-44D in actual past votes.

    Aside from that, the statement is almost factual.

    Rick Ballard (1dde82)

  19. Didn’t Steyn become a citizen? I could be mistaken.

    I could too. I looked real hard before I piped up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. Maybe happyfeet could become a Canadian citizen to avoid de jury duty here down undah.

    Pinandpuller (a2822d)

  21. This is what dismal early voting looks like.

    Wasserman works for Cook and he is not known for leaning GOP. AA voter suppression looks to be working just fine. It’s entirely due to the absence of the man who wrecked the Democrat Party though. I guess he isn’t quite done.

    Rick Ballard (1dde82)

  22. Ronald Reagan once said that you win by getting more people to vote for you than for your opponent.
    What a crazy notion.
    He obviously didn’t know what he was talking about! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/27/2016 @ 11:15 am

    If only Trump actually cared about that and had developed a ground game to not only bolster his campaign but support down ballot candidates.

    Sean (db2ce6)

  23. canada is very vast and leafy

    when it’s not frozen over with glaciers and icicles

    i abjure canada

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. If only Trump actually cared about that and had developed a ground game to not only bolster his campaign but support down ballot candidates.

    That’s because I don’t think Trump anticipated having to fight half the Republican Party who changed sides after the primary and became neverTrumpers 4 Killary!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  25. Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/27/2016 @ 11:59 am

    But Trump can’t get any traction, even with all of that. Why? Because there are no undecideds. The only people still up in the air are those who don’t know which of his opponents they will vote for.

    Well, taht’s still valuable to Trump.

    I made a estimate – I don’t know the exact numbers and they don’t matter too much – but I would say that if the combined two-party popular vote for president is higher than 77% or 78%, Hillary Clinton wins, and if it is not, she loses. Different people can win in different scenarios.

    If things break just exactly right, McMullin’s 6 Electoral votes from Utah (plus any faithless Electors, although Gary Johnson will also try to get some faithless republican Electors, but wth alead of 6, McMullin is likely to stay ahead of him) are enough to throw it into the House of Represenatives.

    Losing in the House is, however, not assured for Hillary Clinton, because, unlike in the Election of 1800 and the Election of 1824, the vice president may both be picked first, and be of the same political party as one of the candidates (Hillary Clinton) This would result in Hillary Clinton being unofficial president if the House cannot decide, putting some pressure on Paul ryan and otehrs to choose Hillary. You need something of a prolonged deadlock and many ballots to elect McMullin. There probably won’t be enoygh votes to elect Trump. The danger is some Republicans could defect to Hillary Clinton.

    The Senate cannot be deadlocked because they vote individually, and only between two, and the vice president (Joe Biden) casts a vote in case of a tie.

    The Senate will probably wait if the Republicans are in the majority. I suppose there is the matter of a filibuster, but the democrtas would try to abolish the filibuster rule for this purpose. Maybe they would not succeed if therte was only a very slim majority.

    Also, another problem: The House would not be limited to just two candidates as it was in 1800 (because only two candidates got over a majority) and 1824 (because Crawford was disabled) and that might raise questions as to what happens when a candidate gets a plurality, bit nmnot a majority, of a state’s members in the House – does the state cast its vote for the plurality winner, or does it not cast a vote?

    If a state casts a vote there might be a lot of strategic voting to deadlock a state. The house will certainly allow vote switching befor ethe vote is cast.

    Twenty six (26) states are needed, not a majority of states voting. A random split among Congressmen would mean something like 57% of House members are needed to elect.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  26. The eight and fifteenth paragraphs are editorial, and that passage is straight up provocation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. I think this term “suppressin: has to come from Clinton double agents in the Trump campaign.

    Ed Rollins used that term in 1993 after the New Jersey gubernatorial election, then claimed it was because he had been head of the National Fire Academy during the Carter Administration. I think he was blackmailed into it.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  28. Or they could have made out of wfhole cloth.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. narciso @28. Or maybe Clinton double agents in the media, or maybe people talking to reporters who impersonate trump campaign officials. I don’t think reporters would dare invent quotes. NMot everyone is Jason Blair.

    It’s just the term itself is a Democratic attack term.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  30. If only Trump actually cared about that and had developed a ground game to not only bolster his campaign but support down ballot candidates.

    That’s because I don’t think Trump anticipated having to fight half the Republican Party who changed sides after the primary and became neverTrumpers 4 Killary!

    I can’t believe Rev. Hoagie® thinks Trump is so dense. Even I don’t think Trump’s that ignorant.

    When only the most motivated people come to the polls, you get more education per voter capita, resulting in more informed voters and better results.

    I, uh, am less optimistic about this theory of voter information than you are. I guess by “motivated” you meant “motivated to learn about the effects of their preferred policies & the history and character of their preferred representatives”, rather than “motivated to vote”.

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  31. Sorry malpractice, it makes me doubt all the named quotes.

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. Whenever I read a news article about how Trump is obviously going to lose because [reasons] or that he’s an awful person who would be a terrible president, for some reason I feel less like voting for him.

    VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!!21!!!!!!!!

    Pious Agnostic (e9063c)

  33. From, I guess, a #NeverTrumper:

    http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=98bf9fd97b78b27bf3bf3e66d&id=f54d54046c&e=16f4b2254b

    I think it’s a bit too strong. Trump is no despot. A possible traitor, (but so is Hillary, except she’s smarter) but no despot.

    I am not even sure exactly what, if anything, in Donald Trump’s speech at Gettysburg he was referring to. I understand the reference maybe to the nativism and the nationalism, but where’s the sectionalism? Vowing to try to punish sanctuary cities?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  34. Josh green has proved obtuse in the past, although this was one of the first times he’s resorted to malpractice. Sammeh read Mr. Waters piece.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. That’s because I don’t think Trump anticipated having to fight half the Republican Party who changed sides after the primary and became neverTrumper

    Now, why did they do that? Did they indicate that up front? (SHUT UP, PATRICK!) I guess it was just bad luck!

    When a minority of a party leverages a candidate that a large block of the party flatly states is unacceptable, the candidate will not be accepted. This is push coming to shove. To come back and say “Who knew?!” is either criminally stupid or mendacious in the extreme.

    With Trump it may be both.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  36. $100,000,000 laundered over a 6 year period and right into the pockets of the Grifter Twins, Bill and Hillary Clinton. In just this instance alone, personal enrichment, self-aggrandizement and a continuing criminal enterprise. Actions must have consequences. Actions, not words, are what people are normally measured on and must be held accountable for.

    Now what’s this about Trump again?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  37. When only the most motivated people come to the polls, you get more education per voter capita, resulting in more informed voters and better results.

    Sure ya do that’s why in the inner city districts of Philly last election 105% of the vote showed up to vote Obama proving conclusively how “motivated” (by Obamamoney) and “educated” they were. Plus the guys with clubs guarding the polls from the “uneducated” really, really made a statement for getting out to vote.

    If getting more people to vote was good for Republicans and conservatives would the democrats and the left be for it?

    If a million Mexicans sneaking in illegally every year was good for the Republicans Killary would be for a 100 foot wall, electrified with a one mile mine field in front. And suddenly cost would be no object.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  38. Effing idiots.

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  39. Now what’s this about Trump again?!?!

    Sniff, sniff! Trump said he would grab a pussy eleven years ago. Sniff, sniff! He’s an animal!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  40. 6 years of “Bill Clinton, Inc.” per the Doung Band email.

    Now what did Trump say again?

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  41. Hoagie,

    Trump’s problems are cumulative and entirely of his own making. Do I REALLY have to go back to April to find all the predictions of how this was going to happen? But no — all his supporters and apologists were talking about how he’d be turning over a new leaf, you’d see!

    This is like a relationship that starts off rocky and gets worse from there. People stay in those for the longest time, hoping that things will get better and they never do.

    In politics we call this one “battered party syndrome.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  42. Mr. Trump on the cusp of victory

    he gonna make history

    our first Mr. Trump president ever!

    and ain’t that a kick in the pants

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. Trump suppressed my vote when he accepted the nomination and I’m not even black.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. Trump’s problems are cumulative and entirely of his own making.

    You mean unlike yours or mine which just happened to us out of thin air?

    Do I REALLY have to go back to April to find all the predictions of how this was going to happen?

    No, do I need to go back to April to find the millions who didn’t predict it? Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional nut.

    In politics we call this one “battered party syndrome.”

    You can call it what you like. I call it jumping ship and helping the enemy syndrome. See, we all have a name for it.

    Let esplain something to you. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat. Especially in the White House. Any questions?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  45. You mean unlike yours or mine which just happened to us out of thin air?

    Your posts get stupider and stupider. I don’t think Kevin M has ever said his troubles were the fault of anyone but himself.

    Let esplain something to you. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat. Especially in the White House. Any questions?

    So, if Charles Manson were running as a Republican, you’d vote for him? Just wondering whether there was a limit to this, or whether having an R after someone’s name is a plenary indulgence.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  46. Trump was counting on good soldiering in his Ghost Army Platoon and we get to see it every day. I suppose writing blustering comments beats actually walking a precinct.

    Rick Ballard (1dde82)

  47. Colonel Haiku (610d75) — 10/27/2016 @ 2:26 pm

    Now what did Trump say again?

    That Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt person ever to run for (he presidency?)

    Meanwhile Michelle Obama says she’s the most experienced in our, lifetime. More than Barack, more than Bill. (Republicans are ignored. GHWB had all kinds of jobs.)

    They started out saying “ever”, but then somebody brought up John Quincy Adams. Like Hillary, he was a member of a president’s family, Senator for a time, and Secretary of State, but he also was an Ambassador and negotiated a peace treaty. (There are also John Quincy Adams’ predecessors, most of whom were Secretary of State before they were president, but they owned slaves, except for his father, John Adams, and John Quincy Adams’ experience beats all of them.)

    Of course when you talk experience you are talking as if policies, character and overall competence don’t matter. It’s kind of a neutral thing.

    Michelle Obama also mentioned something else you can’t argue about: Hillary Clinton is a woman.

    She’s not a woman with a normal career, she may be the front for a political machine and could be a puppet of her husband even, but she’s a woman.

    The New Yorker had a cartoon on its cover: Hillary Clinton being sworn in – with Bill holding the bottom of he Bible.

    Below there was Donald Trump being sworn in, with Vladimir Putin helping to hold the Bible.

    The power behind the throne maybe.

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)

  48. Narciso @34 Do you have a link to Water’s piece?

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)

  49. “I suppose writing blustering comments beats actually walking a precinct.”

    Certainly beats sitting on your two thumbs, I would imagine…

    Colonel Haiku (610d75)

  50. Your posts get stupider and stupider. I don’t think Kevin M has ever said his troubles were the fault of anyone but himself.

    So you are at the point where calling me stupid becomes the argument? Okay.

    Let esplain something to you. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat. Especially in the White House. Any questions?

    So, if Charles Manson were running as a Republican, you’d vote for him? Just wondering whether there was a limit to this, or whether having an R after someone’s name is a plenary indulgence.
    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/27/2016 @ 3:32 pm

    Is that how you argue my point by going all reductio ad absurdum on me? Fine Chuck yeah, that’s my limit if it was Manson I’d vote democrat. Feel better?

    The second worst Republican is better than the absolute best democrat.*

    * Revised for Chuck @10/27/2016

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  51. I suppose writing blustering comments beats actually walking a precinct.
    Rick Ballard (1dde82) — 10/27/2016 @ 4:08 pm

    Gee Rick, can ya come along and carry my oxygen tanks for me since I’m waiting for a friggin’ lung transplant walking to the crapper is an effort. But thanks for the offer.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  52. as usual one has to go to the canary that proves the toxin in the coal mine:

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/05/governor-palin-and-the-changing-rules-of-the-establishment.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Catherine Herridge: Thank you David. President Obama’s high security BlackBerry used a special process known as “White-listing,” that only allowed it to take calls and messages from pre-approved contacts. Two former Intelligence Officials with knowledge of the set-up pointed to this detail as further evidence that the White House knew Hillary Clinton’s private account was being used for Government Business. These 2 former Intelligence officials emphasized that adding a contact to the President’s approved Blackberry contact list is a very deliberate act, and it is only done by the White House Communications office after a request from the President’s Chief of Staff or a close aide. And while there is a difference between a server and a private E-Mail address, it would have been clear to all involved that Clinton was not on a State.com account. And in written statements and at the briefing just yesterday, the White House Press Office went out of its way to describe the President’s public statements about when he knew about the private E-Mail.com account, as old news.

    so what’s that about trump again?

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. odd since they used a chokehold, not a gun, but you know floor wax/dessert topping

    https://twitter.com/es_snipes/status/791658822750175233

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. he’s there where the sausage, I mean narrative is being made,

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/how_the_ap_propagandizes_.html

    with malice toward none, well john wilkes booth saw to that, one might say this allowed the likes of thaddeus stevens to exceed himself, re the overwrought gettysburg rant,

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. like the previous link, shows the journolist press runs everything through a funhouse mirror,

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10/election2016-reporting-through-the-haze-of-gaslight/

    a bunch of low rate sharpton and maddox wannabes, branded her a racist, because of an oversight, another nazgul started the trig denialism even before sullivan, and you wouldn’t believe how much a strigoi he was,

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. wait how could that happen,

    http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/ammon-bundy-verdict-oregon-standoff-malheur-court/

    both dana loesch and rand paul’s disavowal, made me look askance at them, the first time,

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. an alleged trump staffer, do you not understand how these thing work,

    and the treehouse again, in gonzo fashion, ‘when the going gets weird, the weird go pro’ seems to have gotten this right,

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. “IT BEARS REPEATING–IT DEMANDS INVESTIGATION: Robert Creamer, the man in charge of inciting violence at Republican political rallies on behalf of the Democratic Party, met in the White House with President Obama at least 45 times.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/it-bears-repeating-it-demands-investigation-robert-creamer-the-man-in-charge-of-inciting-violence/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. What did Trump just say?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  61. with background,

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/27/breaking-jury-acquits-leaders-of-oregon-standoff-of-federal-charges/

    there have been similar frames, with a fellow named posada carriles, which the administration tried to sacrifice to the cuban and venezuelan regimes, but the jury said no,

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. I wonder what would happen if a class action “honest services fraud” case was filed by “registered Republicans” against Trump for seeking and accepting the GOP nomination but then throwing the race at every opportunity. Say $1000 apiece.

    I’m clearly not the only person who thinks it’s been a sham:

    http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/10/27/an-absolute-joke-pollster-remarks-on-trumps-sham-campaign/

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  63. are you made of redwood or cedar, clearly the green piece indicates they have been doing a vigorous if unorthodox campaign, but if every network and practically every periodical is just
    as corrupt as all out

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. #45 Chuck Bartowski, we’re not voting for Trump because he has an ‘R’ next to his name. We’re voting for Trump because he’s better than illary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat. Especially in the White House. Any questions?

    Yes, one. When did you get so fanatic? The worst Republican at any given time is NEVER better than the best Democrat. Nor vice versa. Now, Hillary is not the best Democrat, but Trump is at best a 2 on the ol’ scale.

    And he’s not even really trying. There are stories coming out DAILY that should doom Hillary, printed on the front page of every paper, but they don’t have Trump’s name anywhere in them so he’s got to throw up noise. Because it has NEVER been about winning, it’s been about Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  66. narcisco,

    Have you SEEN the WaPo lately. EVERY day there’s a new revelation about how horrible Clinton is, or was, or will be. Every day. But it gets no traction because Trump has made this election about him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  67. Still trying to eliminate the Pence possibility with some airport home cooking?

    https://gma.yahoo.com/mike-pence-plane-skids-off-runway-nycs-laguardia-001305717–abc-news-topstories.html

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  68. possible, well seeing as they taken another shot against clarence thomas, they do mention two comments by trump, but per the ap style manual, no actual policy point,

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. What the Trump staffer meant by voter suppression is not the usual meaning. But maybe the Post reporter had something like this in mind.
    https://thinkprogress.org/indiana-registration-raid-51a6a7a83f37#.8096xivrn
    Yes, I know it’s TP, and therefore assume any and all facts inconvenient to the TP view were omitted.

    Kishnevi (480bf9)

  70. no it’s designed to agitate and motivate them to vote against him, he’s a subtle hack, not like glenn thrush, he gives you a positive, and then he spins a negative, by omission,

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. .Let esplain something to you. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat. Especially in the White House. Any questions
    Hoagie, you give a very good argument why we should vote for Johnson.

    Kishnevi (480bf9)

  72. johnson and stein, ran in the last election, and their vote was neglible, if they were significant we might face the james burney problem, the splinter abolitionist who gave us
    the slavesupporter polk, over the moderate henry clay, and set back his cause by almost a generation, and that was pronoun trouble at the end,

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Come on, stand up for Rick!

    Ah, God love ya.

    Pinandpuller (abfe1c)

  74. The worst Republican is better than the best democrat

    What this tells me is that a party shouldn’t pick its worst member as a standard bearer (and in this case reached outside itself anyway).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  75. 53. narciso (d1f714) — 10/27/2016 @ 4:50 pm

    Catherine Herridge: Thank you David. President Obama’s high security BlackBerry used a special process known as “White-listing,” that only allowed it to take calls and messages from pre-approved contacts.

    This was a security precaution because at first they didn’t want to let him have a Blackberry after he became president.

    “White-listing,” is not something mysterious. It simply means he would only see e-mail (or get calls) from pre-approved e-mail addresses or telephone numbers (although they can be spoofed, and sometimes used on purpose by the legitimate caller or user, but you still have to know what the number or e-mail address to spoof is.)

    It is the opposite of “Black-listing,” where certain e-mail addresses or telephone numbers are excluded.

    Two former Intelligence Officials with knowledge of the set-up pointed to this detail as further evidence that the White House knew Hillary Clinton’s private account was being used for Government Business.

    No it doesn’t mean that at all. It may mean the exact opposite.

    People are not supposed to use government e-mail for private or political purposes. Al Gore alomost got into a little bit of trouble that way, for possibly using government telephones to make fund raising calls. (The Clinton response was that there was “no controlling legal authroity” – that is, an appellate or Supreme Court opinion, that said he couldn’t do whatever it was that he did. There was probably no need for Al Gore to do thsi, but Bill Clinton wanted to have a Sword of of Damocles to hold over Al Gore’s head))

    Hillary would surely have used the argument that she cannot use government email for political purposes to get approval for this private non-government e-mail backchannel to President Obama.

    This could, of course, have been expanded into any conversation or chat or e-mail that would be legitimate if done off government networks, which certainly would have applied once she was no longer Secretary of State.

    These 2 former Intelligence officials emphasized that adding a contact to the President’s approved Blackberry contact list is a very deliberate act, and it is only done by the White House Communications office after a request from the President’s Chief of Staff or a close aide. And while there is a difference between a server and a private E-Mail address, it would have been clear to all involved that Clinton was not on a State.com account.

    Not true. Because this could have been justified as for non-government communications. And anybody white-listing the e-mail address would not have known by virtue of taht fact that a state.gov for Hillary Clinton did not exist!

    Besides, Hillary has stated she was fooling them. Yes she did. That’s what her gobblygook in her March, 2015 press conference about the e-mmils means.

    Because she said:

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/11/a-line-edit-of-hillary-clintons-disastrous-email-press-conference/

    Now, there are different rules governing the White House than there are governing the rest of the executive branch, and in order to address the requirements I was under, I did exactly what I have said. I emailed two people, and I not only knew, I expected that then to be captured in the State Department or any other government agency that I was emailing to at a .gov account.

    In other words, she cc’d her e-mails to President Obama (at least the ones that were clearly official) to a dummy, unused, state.gov address (or possibly one belonging to an aide)

    This all dates back to the time when telephone calls were charged per call or per minute, and computers were charged for computer time.

    In the past, the big worry was that you’d be using government telephone or computer services for non-government business.

    Then we had an intermediate period when private accounts (on which all political activity was off government systems but e-mail used at about the same time or while working, would be scanned for goernment records. This happened with Karl Rove’s e-mails and many officials during the Bush II Administration. Jeb Bush also, while Governor of Florida, used private e-mail and later made all or most of that public.

    Now we are in the situation where the big worry is that what should be government records could be done off platforms where they would be archived or searched through when a Freedom of Information Act request comes in, and there is little or no worry about private communications being done on government systems (probably because it doesn’t cost anything extra any more, but maybe, strictly speaking people are still not in the clear, but nobody’s punishing anybody for making personal calls or sending personal e-mails on government systems.)

    The problem with, when in doubt, defaulting to private e-mail, as was done during the Bush II Administration of course, is, that you can mis-classify things both ways.

    What Hillary did was she never personally used government e-mail at all. I believe she hid that fact from President Obama (to the extent that he was aware she was supposed to have government e-mail!) and others in the White House as well.

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)

  76. 69. Kishnevi (480bf9) — 10/27/2016 @ 7:17 pm

    What the Trump staffer meant by voter suppression is not the usual meaning.

    Was this a Trump staffer, or was this Ed Rollins again?

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5180339296001/ed-rollins-on-trumps-chances-miracles-happeng

    Except that he’s workin for a PAC, and not the Trump campaign itself, and they are not supposed to co-ordinate, and there must have been some communication for the word to originate with him,

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)

  77. Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/27/2016 @ 6:14 pm

    Have you SEEN the WaPo lately. EVERY day there’s a new revelation about how horrible Clinton is, or was, or will be. Every day.

    The New York Times too now.

    Not to mention what’s in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Post or in some political columns.

    Today’s Times story (on page A15)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/bill-chelsea-clinton-foundation.html

    Chelsea Clinton was alarmed….In response to the scrutiny, Mr. Band wrote a 13-page memo outlining how he had raised many millions of dollars for the foundation from Teneo’s corporate clients, including Coca-Cola and Dow Chemical, without taking a fee. In the memo, which WikiLeaks released this week, Mr. Band also described arranging tens of millions of dollars in income for Mr. Clinton in the form of lucrative speeches and consulting arrangements, some of them from foundation donors.

    ….“I just don’t think any of this is right and that we should be treated this way when no one else is, only because CVC has nothing better to do and need justify her existence,” he wrote in one email, using the initials for Chelsea Victoria Clinton. Mr. Band, who had already planned to leave the foundation to focus on Teneo, often expressed frustration at the global charity’s nepotism, pointing to Ms. Clinton’s installing her friends in central roles.

    Mr. Clinton, who does not use email, is almost absent in the battles happening beneath him, mentioned only in passing as “Dad” or by his initials, “WJC.”

    In another email, Ms. Clinton alludes to her father’s feelings about the tensions at his foundation. “Doug apparently kept telling my dad I was trying to push him out, take over — and Dad kept asking him — has she said that to you? To anyone? She’s never said it to me,” she wrote. Mr. Band has said the exchange Ms. Clinton describes never happened. [Doug Band, by the way, is now, I think, on the outs with the Clintons – probably because he’s too compromised]

    If the emails show Ms. Clinton getting a crash course on the cutthroat world on the periphery of the Clinton family, they also show a young woman deeply devoted to her parents and very much her mother’s daughter.

    Ms. Clinton often gravitated to weighty policy discussions and interspersed statistics and SAT words into casual conversations….

    Yesterday’s:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/us/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-foundation-wikileaks.html

    The emails, obtained by hackers and being gradually released by WikiLeaks this month, also are revealing how efforts to minimize potential conflicts at the foundation led to power struggles and infighting among aides and Mrs. Clinton’s family.

    One top aide to Mr. Clinton, Douglas J. Band, noted in an email that the former president had received personal income from some foundation donors and “gets many expensive gifts from them.”

    Chelsea Clinton accused her father’s aides of taking “significant sums of money from my parents personally,” of “hustling” during foundation events to win clients for their own business, and of even installing spyware on her chief of staff’s computer. [I suppose that now we would say that maybe it was the Russians]

    Hillary Clinton, another email showed, had promised to attend a Clinton Foundation gathering in Morocco at the behest of its king, who had pledged $12 million to the charity. Her advisers worried that would look unseemly just as she was beginning her presidential campaign in earnest.

    “She created this mess and she knows it,” a close aide, Huma Abedin, wrote of Mrs. Clinton in a January 2015 email….

    A new story today is more positive:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-road-trip.html (How a now-97 yar old woman who drove Hillary Rodham from Washington to Arkansas in 1974 thought she was throwing her life away and Bill Clinton was only going to be a country lawyer. Hillary did not disillusion her, but claimed only “I love him, and I want to be with him,” so maybe it’s not really all that positive, to a well-informed person, because she had already told Bernard Nussbaum that he was going to become president and she wanted him for White House counsel.

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)

  78. Trump is low on money but he won’t fundraise and he won’t self-fund for himself or the Republicans. Silly GOPe. It picked a real loser this year. At least the prior nominees could raise money.

    However, Trump’s campaign is reimbursing his properties. Money for himself seems to be his top priority.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. maybe he could get a sweet sweet sacky loan from harvardtrash ted’s sugar mama

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  80. Trump isn’t a good risk and if he has available collateral, he obviously doesn’t want to pledge it. Bad, bad news for Donnie. He ran out of people willing to give him money.

    DRJ (15874d)

  81. At least Ted had collateral and was willing to pledge it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  82. ok well every time god closes a door he opens a window

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  83. My favorite part was the moron talking about how easy this politics business is, not like all these elitist insiders say.

    While they are going down in flames.

    Passerby (8746ab)

  84. Trump could probably borrow on some collateral, but he’d lose the money.

    Sammy Finkelman (592d97)


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