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10/22/2016

David French Terrorized by Alt-Right for Opposing Trump

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:00 am



At National Review, David French describes the treatment he received from thuggish scumbag alt-right Trumpers for the terrible offense of opposing Donald Trump:

I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.

When we both publicized some of the racist attacks — I in National Review and Nancy in the Washington Post — things took a far more ominous turn. Late the next evening — while Nancy was, fortunately, offline attending a veterans’ charity event in D.C. — the darker quarters of the alt-right found her Patheos blog. Several different accounts began posting images and GIFs of extreme violence in her comments section. Click on a post and scroll down and you’ll see pictures of black men shooting other black men, close-up images of suicides, GIFs of grisly executions — the kinds of psyche-scarring things that one can’t “unsee.” Had I not deployed to Iraq and witnessed death up close, the images would have shocked me. I quickly got on the phone with Nancy, told her not to look at her website, and got busy deleting comments and blocking IP addresses, but in the meantime a few friends and neighbors had seen the posts.

This is apparently as far as Byron York read the article. Hey, you can’t expect a Trumper to read past the third or fourth paragraph. Here’s York, telling his readers that “it’s mostly about tweets”:

And yet, it seems like the harassment went beyond tweets:

Of course, no story would be complete without a truly ominous threat. The moment we landed back at home after I declined to run for president, she turned on her phone to see an e-mail from a Trump fan, a veteran who informed her that he knew the business end of a gun and told her directly that she should shut her mouth or he’d take action. Every campaign attracts its share of fools, cranks, and crazies. But Trump’s candidacy has weaponized them.

We contacted law enforcement, she got her handgun-carry permit, and life returned to the new normal of daily Twitter harassment, until the day this month when an angry voice actually broke into a phone conversation between my wife and her elderly father, screaming about Trump and spewing profanities. My wife was on her iPhone. Her father was on a landline. That launched a brief, anxious search inside my father-in-law’s home for a potential intruder and yet another call to law enforcement.

French’s piece also talks about Erick Erickson having people show up at his house, and yell at his children in a store. (Is this “mostly about tweets”?) He also mentions the doxing and sliming of Bethany Mandel for the crime of being Jewish and anti-Trump.

There has always been a contingent of “conseravtives” I knew I hated. Now, thanks to Donald Trump, I can easily identify them. They’re the ardent Trumpers — and they’re incredible jerks.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

165 Responses to “David French Terrorized by Alt-Right for Opposing Trump”

  1. This does not surprise me. I remember the comments in Breitbart getting increasingly vile as this website started leaning towards Trump. Here is the scary part: A few weeks following Shapiro’s resignation from Breitbart, I took a peak at Breitbart just to see what they were up to and the number of comments per article rose about 10-fold! (from hundreds to thousands) Can this be attributed to a previously untapped source of viewers unearthed by the execrable Steve Bannon, or literary masturbation by alt-right readers commenting repeatedly? I hope it is the later because I do not want to believe that so many people think this way.

    Tony (ff2fe4)

  2. Are they Trump sewer rats, Clinton sewer rats or Putin sewer rats? Anonymity precludes positive identification and the probability they are Clinton or Putin sewer rats is much higher than zero. The value of the cheap demagogue’s wink and nod to David Duke is now well below zero and Putin has already achieved his primary objective so I lean towards Clinton supporters as the probable culprits (aside from alt-right scum too stupid to understand the damage they are doing to their never to be Fuehrer).

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  3. I didn’t bother to read the whole post. Does that make me a Trumper?

    Dejectedhead (8bc1cd)

  4. Discus is a carpy system, it rewards nazguls and other lower order orcs.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. “MORE FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION ON THE WAY: Hillary Clinton’s Insidious Threat to Traditional Christianity.

    Related: “She got into politics through religion. Youth activism in her church was her gateway to wanting political power–to save others, not to aggrandize herself, you understand…. Hillary wants to make her opponents think differently across the board. She wants to save our souls. That’s scary.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247041/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. OT

    Posting this here because it won’t be seen in the old thread.

    media focuses on Trump getting booed at al smith dinner, but not clinton.

    As for this topic, there are plenty of idiots in the alt-right. There are vastly more in the left. The alt-right likes to insult and name call. The left likes to make you submit to their will and act against your conscience.

    Which is worse?

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  7. That’s but one of the prices paid for innocently elevating Clinton.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. 3. Dejectedhead

    I didn’t bother to read the whole post. Does that make me a Trumper?

    All Trumpers are idiots, but not all idiots are Trumpers.

    6. NJRob

    As for this topic, there are plenty of idiots in the alt-right. There are vastly more in the left. The alt-right likes to insult and name call. The left likes to make you submit to their will and act against your conscience.

    The alt-right also, apparently, likes to make threats that they will shoot you, and break into your phone conversations, as “this topic” mentions in the two penultimate paragraphs.

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  9. This election is all about illary Clinton.
    Do you want her to become President; yes or no?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  10. No, but the Democrats know that electing Hillary is easy now that Trump is the nominee. The GOP knew that, too, but preferred losing with Trump to possibly winning with Cruz.

    DRJ (15874d)

  11. Patterico, watch what happens with this thread. I’ll bet my prediction in my email to you is correct.

    It doesn’t make me happy. Just sadly realistic.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  12. Looks like DRJ’s got enough of a challenge trying to keep the state of Texas in red.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. EEEK, a Hillary!

    Speak for yourself, Trump Supporter. I make a rude noise in Hillary’s direction. She can make herself queen of the galaxy for all I care. As long as Trump gets sent back to his sewer.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. No, but the Democrats know that electing Hillary is easy now that Trump is the nominee. The GOP knew that, too, but preferred losing with Trump to probably winning with anyone else.

    FTFY.

    A lot of people seem not to understand that most people with centrist leanings would be glad to vote for whoever ran against her, as long as that person met the minimal demands of integrity

    Kishnevi (d2fbba)

  15. Absolutely, Colonel. The GOPe won’t be satisfied until it has completely surrendered and individual donors have given up, leaving the field open for special interests and the CofC to buy influence.

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. “There has always been a contingent of “conservatives” I knew I hated. Now, thanks to Donald Trump, I can easily identify them. They’re the ardent Trumpers.”

    Having first supported Ben Carson – in fact working for the SuperPAC that drafted him…then after he dropped out Marco Rubio…then after he dropped out Ted Cruz…I am now a reluctant but ardent Trumper because of the certainty that Hillary will populate the federal judiciary with Ruth Bader Ginsburgs and federal bureaucracy with Lois Lerners. So I guess you hate me. And you will no doubt wonder why the conservative movement and GOP is so hard to put together after the election no matter who wins. Physician heal thyself.

    Bill Saracino (bc4d4c)

  17. That’s but one of the prices paid for innocently elevating Clinton.

    Yeah, David French was begging for it!

    Do you want her to become President; yes or no?

    No, but I don’t want Trump to become President, either.

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  18. Chuck, my comment was addressing the short comment and the link I posted.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. 15… I didn’t think the people of Texas would ever allow all of that to happen, DRJ. What’s happened?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. This election is all about illary Clinton.
    Do you want her to become President; yes or no?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/22/2016 @ 10:33 am

    No, but the Democrats know that electing Hillary is easy now that Trump is the nominee. The GOP knew that, too, but preferred losing with Trump to possibly winning with Cruz.

    DRJ (15874d) — 10/22/2016 @ 10:42 am

    There is some evidence to suggest that’s true. But I can’t figure out what that has to do with the question. This seems to be a pattern with DRJ.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  21. Here’s a question: Is you is or is you ain’t a-hopin’ Hillary Clinton gets elected? For whatever reason…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. ” The GOP knew that, too, but preferred losing with Trump to possibly winning with Cruz.” – DRJ

    It is important to emphasize that the Trumphilic were not the only ones. The GOPe threw in with him, too, when the only alternative became Cruz. The latter should not surprise anyone. The GOPe will tolerate anything but a principled, disciplined conservative – this was clearly demonstrated by the ostracism Cruz received from his Republican peers when he stood up for conservative principles on the Senate floor. Cruz would put an end to their grifting and everybody knows it. Shorty, the big city developer, is not a man to put an end to grifting. He is, himself, a con man. As a developer, he has to be. That’s how big city development projects get their approvals. That’s why the claim that Shorty will be a change agent is farcical. He and Hill are one of a kind. They have made a career of buying (Trump) and selling (Hillary) government favors. Anytime you deal with a con man (or woman), you must ask yourself “Who is he conning now?” I think we know the answer to that one, in regard to both major candidates.

    As for the topic at hand, the internet is the perfect platform for fringe crazies. It offers both anonymity and the ability to project a vastly disproportionate presence. For all we know, these are the same 8 Chicago Nazi we saw in Blues Brothers. How scary is that?

    Alternatively, can we be certain that these haters are not Hillary Clinton operatives? Surely, some of them are leftists posing as Trump supporting alt-right types. And let’s not forget, during this campaign season, it has been trained and paid Clinton operatives who have been the perpetrators of actual violence, as well as the source of bogus claims of violence by Trump supporters. Thanks to Wikileaks, we have been given undeniable documentation of Clintonista thuggery. As Hill and Bill’s 30-year track record demonstrates – and we should all know – they’ll do anything in their pursuit of power.

    Alt-right hating is a bandwagon one should be cautious about jumping on. Just look at how the ADL embarrassed itself by designating Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol and then, almost immediately, reversing its position and embracing the creator of Pepe. It was an unfortunate turn of events by an organization I deeply respect.

    There was a reason that Ted Cruz held back on bashing Trump and eventually supported his candidacy. He didn’t want to tar Trump supporters with the contempt he felt for their candidate. He’s remained calm and rational throughout a very unsettling process. In this, he once again stands alone. We should follow his example.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  23. And whoever it was that subjected the French family to the despicable actions described aren’t fit to breathe air.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. There has always been a group of conservatives I don’t like, for sure. And always a group of liberals I don’t like. I’ve always considered myself an individual and not responsible for the actions or thought of others.

    I will say, after the whole Anthony Weiner fake Twitter people, and the rape barn allegations, I feel like I don’t know what’s really anymore when it comes to online behavior. I no longer trust that people I don’t know are who they purport to be.

    MayBee (a7822d)

  25. Thank you Colonel. We ALL need to make clear, no matter the politics, such actions are never justified, and damage the cause they seek to promote.

    And such people are genuinely evil.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  26. I agree with you, MayBee. Nice to see you posting.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  27. Other Hillary supporters in the media probably get hate mail and violence threats from Bernies crew too, and vice versa. French assumes this dirt is all from trumpkins, never thinking that an excellent Democrat tactical operation would be to pile on Republican writers who defect.
    Defected writers will be attacked, they’ll blame trumpsters for it all and then write columns about it. Great idea.

    Please tell me who is in this much sneered at “alt-right”, because it seems to me that phrase is a convenient rhetorical device that creates a dumping label for elitists who don’t want to use Hillary’s word “deplorables”. Then it is easy to justify calling all Trump supporters “Trumper” as a pejorative because they are all idiot “alt right Trumper” people.

    One thing this has taught me is how many “conservatives’ are really alt-elitist. Now they can go to cocktail parties and blogs and deplore these ignorant trumpers, trumpkins etc. seeing this as a chance to show they are more sophisticated and intelligent than those anti-elitist rubes in fly over country.

    It’s fine with me if you vote for Hillary, for Stein, Johnson, or no vote for President at all.
    No need to be a snobby alt elitist about it.

    steveg (5508fb)

  28. “23. The GOPe will tolerate anything but a principled, disciplined conservative…”

    Okay, so the Democrat Party won’t accept a conservative, the Republican Party won’t accept a conservative, the Libertarian Party just wants to smoke dope, the Green Party won’t accept a conservative, National Review rejects anybody who doesn’t pass their purity tests.

    So how the hell is a conservative going to get elected? Riddle me that, Batman.

    If you can’t get what you want — and it is quite clear that if what you want is a principled, disciplined conservative, you can’t get that, what do you do?

    Children throw a tantrum and kick over the chessboard.

    Adults move to their Plan B and take the next closest thing that is available.

    Oh, sure, if Hillary wins, then the country will be ready for a principled, disciplined conservative in 2020, right? Yeah, a Libertarian might think that, what with the dope he’s smoked. A realistic person knows that a conservative will be even LESS likely in 2020.

    Heck, even Republican voters in the primaries didn’t go for the conservative. The “why” they didn’t doesn’t matter. What matters is that they didn’t.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  29. I’m not saying the attacks on French and family are in any way ok.

    Over at protein wisdom there was a nut from the left that attacked… and the owner of that blog had a much much smaller readership than French.

    Point being that though there may only be one nut per 100,000 out there, sometimes you get struck more than your share. I don’t know who is threatening French, but if I did, I’d snitch

    steveg (5508fb)

  30. Hey Simon Jester!

    MayBee (a7822d)

  31. “So how the hell is a conservative going to get elected? Riddle me that, Batman.”fred-2

    That’s a tough one. I don’t really know. Trump isn’t one and I don’t think the path runs through Donald Trump.

    Though I can’t answer your question, I’m not about to throw in the towel and vote for Trump out of desperation or panic. You shouldn’t. None of us should.

    Prospects for conservatives didn’t seem very bright after the Goldwater defeat either. But then there was Reagan. Reagan didn’t quit.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  32. Yes, the ardent Trumpers are jerks. But the grudging Trumpers are the salt of the Earth. 🙂

    Andrew (b75ced)

  33. neo-con vermin have been discredited. populists are the majority in republican party. trump 55% cruz 25% movement conservatives wealthy free trader pro immigration business community 20% neo-con atist war monger vermin 1% weekly standard nation review 0%

    after 2016 (4ecfab)

  34. What Rick Ballard said at #2.
    When one gets up in the morning,
    remind yourself 3 times,
    “Crichton’s Gell-Mann Amnesia,
    Don’t believe what the media says just because they say it.
    Remember Alinsky and his patron spirit”
    Repeat twice more.

    Remember, the Tea Party was a bunch of racist KKK wannabes who just hated Obama,
    all of their signs and t-shirts said so,
    All of them.
    Every single one I saw on TV.
    Every single one.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  35. That is not to defend the behavior or excuse any trumpite who would do such things,
    but I am getting tired of the constant reminder that to be for trump means you are a Neanderthal.
    Yes, every so often it is clarified that you don’t mean people that can’t stand Trump but feel the need to defeat Clinton is greater,
    and it is your website so we can leave if we don’t like it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  36. Could some of those alt-righters be Soros funded AstroTurf? Maybe even a majority?

    gbear (70736b)

  37. @ fred-2, #29:

    If you can’t get what you want — and it is quite clear that if what you want is a principled, disciplined conservative, you can’t get that, what do you do?

    Children throw a tantrum and kick over the chessboard.

    Adults move to their Plan B and take the next closest thing that is available.

    Sorry, man. You’re preaching to the choir. I’m already voting for Gary Johnson. (Because McMullin isn’t on the ballot in my state, Johnson is the closest thing to a conservative available.)

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  38. @ after 2016, #34:

    Trump didn’t get no 55% of nothing. He couldn’t even crack 45%, despite being literally unopposed in nine primaries.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  39. All of them gbear.

    Did David French investigate? Do any doxing of his own? How about Eric? I don’t know what “sliming” is exactly, but it sounds corporeal. If there’s someone there, who are they?

    Would it be the ready for Hillary bunch exposed by project veritas?

    Betcha ten.

    papertiger (021e95)

  40. Just the other day Instapundit featured the wikileak where Podesta was talking about targeting “malleable reporters” to move them into helping Clinton.

    papertiger (021e95)

  41. David French got the George W Bush treatment with none of the upside. Yeah, I’m sure it was all alt-right.

    Pinandpuller (229c57)

  42. Here’s a text message I got on the cell phone this morning.

    Hey there! This is Jacqui L. with MoveOn. We’ll be out knocking on doors again this weekend, this Sunday at 2:00 PM, to talk with voters about the election. Can you join us?

    Same message, with the proper name as a variable, I’ve received 14 times this month.

    There aren’t that many Sundays or weekends in October. The area code of the message’s origin is in North Carolina.

    papertiger (021e95)

  43. There is some evidence to suggest that’s true. But I can’t figure out what that has to do with the question. This seems to be a pattern with DRJ.

    Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/22/2016 @ 11:31 am

    I think it’s important to analyze what happened to the GOP and why it matters for our future. Do I need to explain why?

    Or would you prefer to continue suggesting that I’m unreasonable and thereby discredit what I say without addressing it? It sounds like you’d rather do the latter but it’s your decision.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. Have you been contacted by the Trump campaign or the GOP about meetings in your area, papertiger?

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. As I’ve said, the GOP no longer exists. There are the people who refused to go Trumpist, the “pragmatists” who did, and the “alt-right” fascists (we all know who and what they are).

    There will be two parties, one with the #neverTrumps and one with the fascists. The pragmatists can choose who they want to be with.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  46. The GOP knew that, too, but preferred losing with Trump to possibly winning with Cruz.

    Yes, the “pragmatists”, led by Senator McConnell, who is the main architect of this train wreck through insisting that HIS Senate would not do anything so gauche as dump the filibuster and actually pass bills.

    I very much doubt McConnell survives his next primary, and really shouldn’t stay as minority leader either when the Dems nuke the filibuster “unexpectedly.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  47. Well, I don’t consider myself a follower of McConnell for anything,
    I don’t think that I am a fascist,
    and I am simply more #neverClinton than #neverTrump,
    maybe that leaves me out of the various groups,
    and just irrelevant.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  48. 45.Have you been contacted by the Trump campaign or the GOP about meetings in your area, papertiger?

    The odd email now and again, but never for a meeting. Boiler plate campaign message. Ted Cruz more often than Trump. And never a cell phone text.

    papertiger (021e95)

  49. A light bulb has suddenly gone on in “gang of 14” McCain’s head late in life. He says if the GOP holds the Senate they should block any Clinton SCOTUS nominee. Of course that probably won’t happen anyway (holding the Senate).

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  50. Bill Saracino, are you illiterate? Because there is no other explanation for how you would write that comment in this post.

    As for the disgusting behavior of Trumpkins, obviously all political alliances contains ugly elements. But Trump’s has a higher percentage than the GOP previously. I decided to be NeverTrump in July and subsequent events only reinforce that Trump is too much without character and too despicable for my support.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  51. Gerald A, McCain has never had the political backbone to deliver on that.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  52. That’s a good point you make DRJ. Trump doesn’t have the man power. He’s running slimline.

    The representative websites for so called alt-right, they’re conspicuously juvenile and amateurish, as if they were developed by Democrats to perpetuate their storyline that Republicans are kkk, redneck, sister breeding, low brows with bad teeth.

    papertiger (021e95)

  53. That is not to defend the behavior or excuse any trumpite who would do such things,
    but I am getting tired of the constant reminder that to be for trump means you are a Neanderthal.
    Yes, every so often it is clarified that you don’t mean people that can’t stand Trump but feel the need to defeat Clinton is greater

    Pretty much every time, not “every so often.”

    I have *never* said that those who support Trump only to keep out Clinton are Neanderthals.

    Never.

    I have always and everywhere separated the ardent Trumpers from the reluctant ones. Who are in fact, as Andrew says, the salt of the Earth!

    Patterico (bcf524)

  54. I don’t even say that *all* ardent Trumpers are Neanderthals.

    But it’s the way to bet.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  55. Having first supported Ben Carson – in fact working for the SuperPAC that drafted him…then after he dropped out Marco Rubio…then after he dropped out Ted Cruz…I am now a reluctant but ardent Trumper because of the certainty that Hillary will populate the federal judiciary with Ruth Bader Ginsburgs and federal bureaucracy with Lois Lerners. So I guess you hate me.

    Reluctant but ardent.

    “unwilling and hesitant; disinclined” (the definition of “reluctant”) yet “enthusiastic or passionate” (the definition of “ardent”).

    How does that work, exactly?

    I am going to guess that what you really mean is that Trump wasn’t your first choice, so you reluctantly support him — but you are ardent in your belief that he is preferable to Hillary. And that can make sense, I think.

    See what I just did? It’s called a charitable reading of the other guy’s statement.

    Now: go back to my post and try giving it a similarly charitable reading.

    If you do, I think you’ll see that I don’t hate you after all. I understand you very well, and respect your decision.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  56. David French Terrorized by Alt-Right for Opposing Trump

    Squirrel. Chasing nuts.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. That’s the take away I have from this post, Pat.

    A little more charity in estimation of Trumpers would serve French, Erickson, and yourself, in good stead.

    Instead of anonymous Trumpers, it’s highly likely that David and Eric are being dinged by anonymous Hilbots pretending to be Trumpers.

    It’s their M.O.

    papertiger (021e95)

  58. Well, P, you may think you always differentiate between the reluctant and ardent Trumpers,
    maybe you even do,
    but it seems to me that I hear a whole lot of criticism of (ardent) trumpers.
    For example, even on your post about sometimes you want to vote for Trump,
    you make it clear that it is only a fleeting thought.
    perhaps until you come to your senses.

    Maybe my perspective is skewed.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  59. My take is that if you’re hypersensitive to the judgment of others you probably know on some level that you’ve done something wrong. And that’s a very good thing. If you find yourself supporting Trump in any way with no guilt, that’s a much more serious problem!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  60. Papertiger, go look through the Western Rifle Shooters blog.
    As you do so, remember that it represents the most rational, non-bigoted end of the alt right spectrum. Yet even they sometimes link to outright anti-Semites. Not too often, but sometimes.

    Perhap Hilbots did it. But there are enough people capable of doing such things on the alt right to make that unlikely. Occam’s razor and all that.

    Kishnevi (784fdb)

  61. With the amount of money Soros pours into what amounts to political black ops, nothing would surprise me.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. The breed I take exception to are the ninnies who are casting votes for Hillary Clinton as a way of protesting… or something.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. There are the people who refused to go Trumpist, the “pragmatists” who did, and the “alt-right” fascists (we all know who and what they are).

    There will be two parties, one with the #neverTrumps and one with the fascists. The pragmatists can choose who they want to be with.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/22/2016 @ 2:43 pm

    As I’ve been trying to point out, a lot, probably most, of the NeverTrumps are RINO types, like Whitman and Gerson. The idea of doing something about the border would be out the window in your party. So would taking a vigorous stand against the climate change madness. The idea of repealing Obamacare would be out the window (think Kasich). They’d want to largely abandon the social issues, the irony of which is obvious, since Trump’s questionable commitment to social conservatism is often given by conservative NeverTrumps as a reason he’s unacceptable.

    Also out the window for your party’s POTUS nominee: Vigorously investigating the shenanigans at the IRS, Justice etc.

    I have to believe if it ever came to pass Cruz would join in with the “fascists”.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  64. exactly, whitman who was a fan of van jones, and gerson, who was on prince talal’s list of retainers,

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. I have no guilt in voting for Trump, Dustin,
    As I think the alternative is much worse.

    I will continue to hope and pray that something different happens.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  66. Gerald A, Trump’s commitment to any conservative principles at all is nonexistent.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  67. an angry voice actually broke into a phone conversation between my wife and her elderly father, screaming about Trump and spewing profanities. My wife was on her iPhone. Her father was on a landline. That launched a brief, anxious search inside my father-in-law’s home for a potential intruder

    He didn’t know you can call the operator, say it’s an emergency, and do that?

    I think something like that might be an out and ot violation of law.

    Of course I have to wonder if the people doing that were pro-Trump or pro-Hillary, r just anti-free speech.

    to DMs from very random famous accounts

    Hackers? Then it’s Russians or others instigated by Vladimir Putin doing this stuff.

    You don’t think it;s Vladimir Putin? The more organized this is, the more likely it is Vladimir Putin’s security agencies starting this. Y

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  68. papertiger (021e95) — 10/22/2016 @ 4:07 pm

    The representative websites for so called alt-right, they’re conspicuously juvenile and amateurish, as if they were developed by Democrats to perpetuate their storyline that Republicans are kkk, redneck, sister breeding, low brows with bad teeth.

    Maybe not Democrats. More likely, Russians, or started by Russia, and pro-Trump, but even more pro-hatred.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  69. there are crazy people out there remember voldemort, whose side was he on, the nazgul of immoral majority, who the late mcguinness used as a source, so did the daily mail and the enquirer,

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. This is about conservatism to me. Trump isn’t a conservative and has been ardent in his efforts to target conservative leaders and policies (except immigration, which I think he is using to get attention and support, not because he has any intention of doing what he says). Overall, Trump has been nicer to Hillary and the Democrats than to Cruz and Rubio.

    Trump is such a bad nominee that, amazingly, he has put Texas in play for Hillary. Can you imagine how a close election in Texas would energize the Democrats? That’s the only reason I might vote for Trump — to keep Texas from going blue, something that would hurt conservatism in Texas and the nation.

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. immigration, trade, not ignoring the schumpeterian blindness, security, some issues he hasn’t focused on very well, his educational advisors are not the worst, but they still come from the milieu robin has spelled out,

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. No, DRJ, no! The Devil is cunning and he will find many ways to lead you down the wrong path and it includes tricking you into thinking that you are doing good.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. the tories, take phillip hammond, please, and amber what’s her name, were strongly opposed to the brexit current, and seem intent on sabotaging any move forward, juppe has a similar view among the gaullists,

    narciso (d1f714)

  74. Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/22/2016 @ 2:49 pm

    when the Dems nuke the filibuster “unexpectedly.”

    Moe likely, they’ll threaten to nuke the filibuster, unless McConnell doesn’t use it, and he’ll cave in, because Schumer will make these threatsd only on some occasions, so they’ll still be able to use the filibuster for some things.

    Schumer may also make a threat only with regard to Supreme Court nominations.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  75. The hek you say nk.

    papertiger (021e95)

  76. THe devil you say?

    papertiger (021e95)

  77. so the cubs moving toward the world series, a precursor of smod?

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. Spare work for the Devil this day said nk.

    papertiger (021e95)

  79. Trump isn’t a conservative and has been ardent in his efforts to target conservative leaders and policies (except immigration, which I think he is using to get attention and support, not because he has any intention of doing what he says). Overall, Trump has been nicer to Hillary and the Democrats than to Cruz and Rubio.

    What are these conservative policies Trump has ardently targeted?

    Trump favors allowing the Keystone pipeline to go through and has been sharply critical of coal killing policies. He’s proposed tax cuts. He says he wants to repeal Obamacare, unlike Kasich, who you seem to regard as conservative for some strange reason. And of course there’s SCOTUS. He opposes the large defense cuts.

    The last sentence is kind of bizarre.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  80. Minnesotans call it

    Ragnarök

    papertiger (021e95)

  81. whereas mailman’s son and the medici and rubio, saw immigration as a stumbling bloc, and hence captain tupolev’d themselves,

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. I find it difficult to root for the Dodgers. If the world depended on it ….

    Thinking.

    papertiger (021e95)

  83. everything rises out of a meme or a trope, which is often wrong,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/302292-hillary-and-mothers-of-the-movement-to-campaign-in-north-carolina-on-sunday/

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. The fix would be in for Chicago. Under those circumstances okay.

    wheel Kirk Gibson in.

    papertiger (021e95)

  85. Evan McMullin will be on the ballot on only 11 states: Utah, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Iowa, Louisiana, Arkansas, Virginia, Kentucky and South Carolina, but his web site is claiming you can vote in your state if he’s a write-in, although they don’t say exactly how.

    The state’s where maybe that’s not possible would appear to be Hawaii, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida and Mississippi.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  86. Paper, think of the cholo/Sur victory riot if they go all the way. No better way to change minds.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  87. Turned off the strike zone graphic. That’s how.

    papertiger (021e95)

  88. “Trump is such a bad nominee that, amazingly, he has put Texas in play for Hillary. Can you imagine how a close election in Texas would energize the Democrats?”

    I’d always found the Texans I work with and call friends to be very intelligent people who wouldn’t even consider doing something that craven. What’s the matter with Texas!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. I personally don’t think it is about conservatism, DRJ,
    I see it as preventing DemoSocioFascism from enforcing one party rule through ongoing weaponization of the DOJ, etc.
    The rule of law is gone at the highest level of government,
    The president, SoS, AG, head of IRS, head of FBI,
    and many others,
    should be impeached, fired, jailed, or some combination of the above,
    and none of it will happen.

    Electing any Dem will be more and more of the same.
    Republicans will beg to be treated as nice as Palin.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  90. Gerald A,

    I’m sorry you find my comment bizarre but I assume that is your curious way of asking me to explain it.

    I consider Cruz and Rubio to be conservative leaders, not Kasich, which is why I mentioned them and not Kasich. Trump has attacked Cruz and Rubio personally by denigrating their appearance and families. In contrast, Trump deliberately chose not to attack Hillary/Bill at one debate because he was concerned about Chelsea’s feelings — a courtesy he did not extend to Cruz or Rubio’s families.

    DRJ (c7b5ee)

  91. in 1912, teddy roosevelt won most of the primaries, such that there were, the party nominated taft, and we know how that worked out,

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. Trump has attacked Cruz and Rubio personally by denigrating their appearance and families. In contrast, Trump deliberately chose not to attack Hillary/Bill at one debate because he was concerned about Chelsea’s feelings — a courtesy he did not extend to Cruz or Rubio’s families.

    DRJ (c7b5ee) — 10/22/2016 @ 7:27 pm

    I don’t recall him denigrating Rubio’s family. But anyway, that’s certainly convincing evidence Trump’s really liberal on all the things he pretends to be conservative on. He didn’t denigrate Clinton’s appearance and family. Although I do recall him saying Clinton having to take a long bathroom break at a debate against Sanders was “disgusting”. So maybe he really is a conservative on many things!

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  93. Cruz drew first blood on Trump’s family.

    SO what did Trump say about Rubio’s family? I missed that part.

    papertiger (021e95)

  94. As for Trump’s conservatism, I don’t believe him. He lies and IMO anything he says about policies are more lies that he has convinced people to repeat. For instance, you say Trump has promised to repeal ObamaCare. Not true. Trump has only promised to ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of ObamaCare, but he has never said he would do anything to stop it himself (unlike Cruz who promised to sign waivers on Day One).

    Trump does deals. As President, I believe his deals with Congress will make government do more, not less. You are free to believe otherwise and maybe you are right, but experience suggests that believing Trump is not a safe bet.

    DRJ (c7b5ee)

  95. Trump would cut a deal with Cruz. Stump for me and I’ll sign your wavers on day one.

    papertiger (021e95)

  96. well it can’t be reversed by executive order, but he’s outlined which components will be a part of the plan,

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. what is the point of this, if they sold half of thee light rail track they’d be fine,

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/22/national-guard-soldiers-enlistment-bonuses-california

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. Trump endorsed Rubio for the Senate before Rubio decided to run again.http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/donald-trump-endorses-marco-rubio—-for-senate/2279204

    papertiger (021e95)

  99. I don’t trust Trump one bit to do anything good.
    I expect him to be hampered in his awfulness by everyone else.

    I expect Clinton to continue the advance of lawlessness and be enabled by everyone, including a feckless GOP.

    My vote is 105% anti-Clinton,
    Less than zero pro-Trump.

    Maybe I will indeed make that my last comment concerning this election,
    I have nothing more to say.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  100. the way I see it, is many painful decisions will have to be made, any decision that is crippled by gridlock brings us back to the status quo ante, have at least some advisors who know what they are talking about,

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. Trump used his favorite media outlet to tar Rubio with his brother-in-law’s record aka “cocaine connection.”

    DRJ (c7b5ee)

  102. It makes me want the stories of the women who say he groped them to be false, while still being believed and costing him the election. Poetic justice.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. we cannot wait one or two years for things to get sorted out, last time it took eight months for ‘history to show it’s hand’ next time, much less likely,

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. I live about a half hour from David French. I find his whining ridiculous.

    DN (21cace)

  105. One thing to say the National Enquirer is sympathetic to Trump, another thing altogether to say he directs their stories at his opponents.

    Assuming Trump was responsible, sort of a merciful inoculation to hold the great reveal on New Years Eve, thereby ensuring the event will pass with little notice and less impact.

    papertiger (021e95)

  106. I think it was Ann bardach, fidel’s nina burleigh, who did the big expose on that, in politico,

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. “I don’t trust Trump one bit to do anything good.
    I expect him to be hampered in his awfulness by everyone else.

    I expect Clinton to continue the advance of lawlessness and be enabled by everyone, including a feckless GOP.”

    – MD in Philly

    I truly do not understand this mentality. You believe in peoples’ (and therefore legislators’) ability to recognize Trump’s awfulness, and therefore resist Trump… but you don’t trust in peoples’ ability (and therefore legislators’) ability to recognize Clintons’ awfulness, and therefore resist Clinton?

    Clintons’ negatives are unprecedented. The only reason that she isn’t getting smoked is that Trump is a dumpster fire of a candidate. She will absolutely be imposed and impeded legislatively, regardless of the scope of her electoral victory. The only, only reason to prefer Trump to Clinton is that Clinton would be competent in implementing the same hyper-statist agenda that Trump still (obliviously) dreams of implementing himself.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  108. A reprise, then I intend to not comment like I have said
    perhaps by no longer reading.

    Some time ago I said I thought it wouldn’t make sense to argue which of two candidates who shouldn’t be considered for dog-catcher should be the worst to be president.
    I think that is still true,
    though thoughtful discussion is warranted since one of the two will be elected president, baring some unusual event.

    Some think Trump is an existential threat,
    Some think Clinton is an existential threat,
    Some think we will muddle through somehow no matter who gets elected because we are not Germany in the 30’s, Russia in the 1910’s, China in the 40’s, etc., etc.

    A step back, and it is a mess no matter what.
    Sackcloth and ashes are called for.
    Good night, until we speak again.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  109. Fair enough. I absolutely understand and respect that approach.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  110. no every single network, practically every broadsheet, nearly every actor, professor, school teacher is carrying her water, they’ll bill the chiropractor later,

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. Leviticus, I will respond to you before I go silent,
    Since you say I don’t make sense.

    As I argued elsewhere,
    the president, SoS, Ag, heads of FBI and IRS,
    should have all been impeached, fired, or jailed,
    or some combination of the three.
    It hasn’t happened,
    and I have no reason to think it will not get worse if Clinton is elected.
    At the highest levels of our government the rule of law is over.

    I don’t know how it can get worse,
    except to see the consequences of that fact to grow.
    Good night, good night.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  112. Your alternative is to vote for the absolute worst sort of proto-authoritarian predatory incompetent clown for a position of unfettered statist executive power, MD.

    I’m not gonna cast that vote, for either Clinton or Trump. You can do what you’re gonna do.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  113. #107: DN, I hope that if you ever have something similar happen, you have folks around you more understanding than you are.

    I kind of predicted this kind of thing, complete with folks trying to insist that it must have been done by Hillary-bots.

    But to call the guy a “whiner” is a weird false macho that is, um, not designed to bring more support to your point of view.

    Perhaps you are a Hillary-bot, yourself.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  114. Leviticus, I have never been a third party kind of person.

    But this election is a special case, indeed. A nightmare.

    What kind of world is it when the VP picks seem almost a throwback to better times.

    I tip my hat to your acumen.

    What a mess.

    I respect the folks who like myself, cannot vote for either of these jokers.

    I respect the folks who hold their noses, grimace, and vote for one or the other.

    What I do not understand are the enthusiastic voters.

    But that’s their right.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  115. Vote for Trump. It’ll make you proud one day. I promise you.

    papertiger (021e95)

  116. Some folks are either okay with or resigned to another 4 to 8 years of being lied to, eating sh*tburgers and watching the ongoing downhill slide of the country. I can’t do that, I have children and grandchildren to think about.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  117. Imagine President HiLiary.

    ’nuff said,

    firefirefire (933c5b)

  118. Haiku,

    We all have people we love and we are thinking about them when we decide who to vote for. You aren’t special that regard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  119. R.I.P. comedian Kevin Meaney

    Icy (d9cf93)

  120. Haiku, I am not okay with it but I grew resigned to Hillary as President when Trumpkins chose virtually the only candidate she could beat.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  121. @ the author of #53 above, who wrote:

    The representative websites for so called alt-right comments I leave as a Trumpkin shill here, they’re conspicuously juvenile and amateurish, as if they were developed by Democrats to perpetuate their storyline that Republicans are kkk, redneck, sister breeding, low brows with bad teeth.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  122. @ DRJ, who wrote (#71):

    Trump is such a bad nominee that, amazingly, he has put Texas in play for Hillary. Can you imagine how a close election in Texas would energize the Democrats? That’s the only reason I might vote for Trump — to keep Texas from going blue, something that would hurt conservatism in Texas and the nation.

    So say the polls, and my anecdotal experience leads me to agree with you as well. This might be the most persuasive argument in favor of “holding my nose to vote for Trump” that I’ve seen yet. I understand that you aren’t propounding it so much as identifying it, though, and I doubt it ends up persuading you; it ultimately doesn’t persuade me.

    If I thought that Trump actually represented a coherent political movement which might, outside of Texas, outlast the next three weeks intact, I would probably be persuaded of that.

    But he’s not that. Instead, he’s a con man who’s extremely skillful at riding the tsunami of anger spawned by Obama and the Dems. He’s never actually had any gift for teaching or persuading — only a gift for fighting fire with kerosene. When Hillary achieves her electoral college blow-out (the remaining interesting question for me is whether she can be kept below 325 electoral votes, which I increasingly think unlikely), however, Trump will be definitively and unquestionably exposed as a loser, and his cult of personality cannot survive that without losing at least four-fifths of its membership.

    The anger felt by everyone who fears and opposes the Hard Left agenda — including some considerable number of Hillary voters who are only holding their noses to vote for her from fear of Trump — will certainly remain. And neither of the two main political parties are likely to look in four, or even two, years very much like they look now, since both of them are in a five-alarm firestorm in which their entire superstructures are already aflame. Post-election Trump is going to be indistinguishable from, and exactly as unconsequential nationally as, Brietbart.com.

    So I’m going to accept and run the risk that Texas Dems will get all excited and fired up and the improvement between the showing that Hillary makes against Trump (as compared to, for example, Wendy Davis’ showing against Greg Abbott, who carried even Texas’ Hispanic males against her). Their bench is still empty, as are their plans and ideas for a state like Texas.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  123. I actually had a discussion about that factoid last weekend with a former Texan, an Austin-raised woman who’s now a psychotherapist in Chicago. She was trying to persuade me that Texas is turning blue. When I pointed out that statistic from the Abbott-Davis gubernatorial race, she instantly said: “That figures — the macho bastards!” She’s exactly the kind of Democrat who will campaign for and contribute to Rahm Emanuel’s reelection as mayor of Chicago, and Chicago’s welcome to her.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  124. You need to understand that in context of Chicago, “macho bastards” always vote for Rahm’s token Mexican-American

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  125. opposition, Gery Chico in 2011 and Jesus Chuy Garcia in 2015. Those same Macho He starts were “Raciss” in 2008 as Clinton out polled Obama in 4 southwest side wards and the fighting 10th ward in 2008.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  126. Meanwhile some actual from my friend in the beltway .

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. 123.Haiku,

    We all have people we love and we are thinking about them when we decide who to vote for. You aren’t special that regard.
    DRJ (15874d) — 10/23/2016 @ 3:48 am

    Very compassionate response. When did you switch to democrat?

    I realize you think the Colonel’s concerns are minor since we all have them but don’t democrats who are voting for a pathological liar and criminal have the same concerns also? I guess the democrats would rather see their kids and grandkids ruled than governed so they see Killary as the best choice.

    Or maybe the democrats really don’t care and they vote for power over progeny.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  128. Apparently, illary is very excited that the Cubs have advanced to the World Series for the first time since 1945. That’s a strange sentiment coming from “a lifelong New York Yankees fan.” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  129. It’s a great moment in baseball, no matter what your team may be.
    I speak as a natural born citizen of the Red Sox Nation.

    Kishnevi (0f2249)

  130. nk, enjoy!

    Kishnevi (0f2249)

  131. as I said, Hoagie, some are good with it, some are resigned to it. Some will fight it, some apparently don’t have the heart for the fight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. “HILLARY CLINTON: Architect Of Failure.
    Let’s briefly review her qualifications to be commander in chief and focus on key international decisions considered to be, by her supporters, a strength. Clinton’s policy decisions have affected thousands: decisions that resulted in the loss of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines; decisions that have cost this country trillions of dollars; decisions that have destabilized the Middle East and decisions that demonstrate her decision-making quality (a quality that is sadly lacking).

    Unlike Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton was a sitting United States senator who voted for the war in Iraq. By that vote in 2003, she bears some responsibility for our involvement. Later, when the war was at a tipping point in 2007 and General David Petraeus advocated for a surge of U.S. forces to regain lost momentum, she voted against it.

    As secretary of state she failed to negotiate a residual force that would have prevented Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki from creating sectarian strife. The ensuing strife led to the creation of an irregular war between Sunni and Shia with the Islamic State growing from that turmoil.

    Each decision point was a critical event in U.S.-Iraq relations, and each a significant failure. Each have Clinton’s fingerprints on them. The latter two clearly demonstrate arrogance and a a disdain for military recommendations.

    Clinton considers the 2011 overthrow of Moammar Gadhafi in Libya to be one of her finest hours as secretary of state. President Obama considers it one of his worst failures. As secretary of state, she pushed for U.S. and NATO involvement against Gaddafi. When he was overthrown, there was no plan for follow-up governance. The result was instability, a huge refugee flow into southern Europe and the Islamic State gaining a foothold in Libya.

    Read the whole thing, and you’ll see why she’d rather run on women’s issues.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247051/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. It’s a tough election, Hoagie. We can all use some compassion.

    And there will be many tough fights in the coming years, Haiku. I know you will be there to fight them, as will I. I’m fighting for what I believe in now, too. Conservatism.

    DRJ (15874d)

  134. #117 Simon Jester,

    Are you aware of David French’s June 2012 Commentary piece attacking conservatives for questioning the politically motivated prosecution of George Zimmerman? I’ve been very skeptical of French ever since.

    In case you haven’t heard, Zimmerman was acquitted at trial. BTW, Patterico agreed with the verdict.

    DN (21cace)

  135. It’s also a pet peeve not to leave open HTML codes. Mea culpa.

    DRJ (15874d)

  136. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/23/2016 @ 7:57 am

    but don’t democrats who are voting for a pathological liar and criminal have the same concerns

    I imagine that’s why Donald Trump is doing so badly among Hispanics and Asians and in immigrant heavy communities..

    Blacks have been scared of him, too, now, and don’t truly see him as any hope, and are not aware of the dangers to school choice – even charter schools, and have been argued go that he is aracist bbecause he tried to say Barack Obama was not born in the United States and (they think) have him thrown out of office.

    College educated people, especially women, think he’s going to start a war, maybe a nuclear war, in spite of Putin’s efforts to convince people that it would be Hillary who might start a nuclear war.

    And they think he will encourage mistreatment of women.

    And they are not aware of a lot of things wrong with Hillary.

    Some things they are, but in the words of the last night’s Saturday Night Live parody they give Donald Trump an F but think Hillary would be a solid B.

    Donald Trump has been called a clown, and now people are even scared of clowns.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  137. DN (21cace) — 10/23/2016 @ 8:29 am

    Are you aware of David French’s June 2012 Commentary piece attacking conservatives for questioning the politically motivated prosecution of George Zimmerman? I’ve been very skeptical of French ever since.

    That proves that David French is limited, which would not make unusual. I suppose he fell for the propaganda or was affected by some people he knew.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  138. I’m not sure the link to the David French op-ed works.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  139. 139… think Texas, DRJ, and remember the Alamo.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. Sorry, Sammy. Click on “French’s op-ed,” above, or click here.

    DRJ (15874d)

  141. I doubt the Alamo heroes would have much use for Trump, Haiku. Probably the opposite. They were known for facing a dire situation without sacrificing their principles, so your “encouragement” has the opposite effect of what you intend.

    DRJ (15874d)

  142. I’m talking about you, DRJ, and the need to withstand a push that has apparently started the turn of Texas into what is known as a blue state. You can’t lay all of that at the feet of Donald Trump. That would be dishonest.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. Which, I think, you tried to do in this same thread.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. There has been much speculation about the fellow with the very expressive reactions on the right side (to Trump’s left) of the screen . Check it out at about 48 to 51 seconds into this. My take is that the fellow realizes the fart he though he’d gotten away with wasn’t a dry one. The sense of alarm is palpable…

    http://youtu.be/S04NKIbdwCY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  145. Texas has spent the past 15 years actively recruiting companies and unemployed people to come on down to Texas.

    The only problem is that many transplants bring with them their lifelong voting habits.
    Now, for most of us commenting here, we arrive at our conservatism and party of choice (GOP) as a result of a deliberate philosophical decision.
    But for a great swath of Americans, they vote a certain way because it is the faith of their fathers; just like being a Methodist is, or being a St Louis Cardinals fan is. Or because they’re inundated by liberalism by various mainstream mediums.
    Also, warm weather states such as California, Arizona, Texas, and Florida tend to attract low-income people from northern cold weather Democrat states. See “Florida” as a prime example of that. That doesn’t mean that all low-income people are Democrats, but with the great migration to Texas, there’s inevitably going to be a shift toward the Democrats.
    It happened to California, and it’s happening to Florida, too. And apparently Arizona, as well.
    And you, too, Texas.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  146. I didn’t think the link to French’s Commentary piece on the Trayvon Martin Case would work. I gave the month and year, so it could be found if anyone was interested.

    I don’t care about French’s family one way or another.

    DN (21cace)

  147. Haiku,

    Why do you call me dishonest simply for expressing my opinion? Is it because I took your clever Alamo quip and showed it actually hurt your point? Have you succumbed to the Trump-like desire to get even for every perceived slight?

    DRJ (15874d)

  148. Cruz Supporter,

    As every true Cruz supporter knows, Trump did not win the GOP Primary. Cruz did, handily, and no one can argue that Trump is more conservative than Cruz.

    Thus, I don’t think Texas is actually turning blue, but a close race might give Democrats a talking point that I don’t want to give them.

    DRJ (15874d)

  149. The “getting even” aspect of Trump is interesting to me. Now he is even threatening to sue the women who have accused him of unwanted sexual advances. How stupid to perpetuate the story that way, but I guess it reinforces the notion that Trump won’t back down. Unfortunately, the only time Trump won’t back down is when he is hurt, which makes him look juvenile and petty instead of determined.

    Is there a person alive who, as a teenager, didn’t want to brag about their sexual attractiveness or prowess and get even with everyone who hurt them? That’s true of girls and boys but most outgrow it as adults. What in the world happened to Trump to keep him in that moment of suspended teenage angst?

    DRJ (15874d)

  150. 155. should have said Trump did not win the Texas GOP primary.

    DRJ (15874d)

  151. DRJ, all I said was blaming what’s going on in Texas on Donald Trump isn’t honest. You’re taking it a step further and also personally.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. Because gimps like her, baby they were born to lead…

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014PT1SSO/?tag=aoshq-20

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  153. That’s the craziest thing. Breitbart.com has an open thread posted on the 3rd Trump/Clinton debate from 4 days ago. Twenty eight thousand comments and change. That’s a browser busting 28,000 +.

    Personally, I can’t see the point of saying something in a thread that deep. Who would read it? And whatever amateurish comment I could add, it’s been said already probably multiple times.

    Except if I were to say Breitbart.com as a whole has no impact, on a website where the champagne bottles are popped over a thread reaching 1K comments.

    That would be original, provocative, and relentlessly stupid.

    papertiger (021e95)

  154. Answering Beldar’s unprovoked personal attack.

    Do they teach lying while pounding the table as a formal class in law school, and what sort of grade did you get?

    papertiger (021e95)

  155. How’s Beldar’s blog doing nowadays?

    Is Mom still reading it?

    papertiger (021e95)

  156. Ouch. Even mom gave up on you.

    papertiger (021e95)

  157. btw, matthew 24, makes it quite clear, that rapture happens after the tribulation not before, and those ‘left behind’ are the saints, those ‘taken away’ are to be judged,

    french’s view was misinformed as was rod dreher’s, now erickson and leon wolfe, don’t have an excuse,

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. 152. It’s mostly happening in North Carolina, but he newcomers are college educated.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)


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