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10/19/2016

Debate Video: Trump Yells: “YOU’RE THE PUPPET!”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:52 pm



Believe it or not, this is probably the highlight of this sorry debate so far: Trump interrupting Hillary repeatedly to call her a puppet. (Putin’s puppet.) It comes at the end of this clip:

I think it’s starting to sink in for Trump that he’s going to lose.

Sad!

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

190 Responses to “Debate Video: Trump Yells: “YOU’RE THE PUPPET!””

  1. I hate. them. both.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. Pass the model glue: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=liKhLNY5GYI

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  3. So what are we going to do now?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  4. A ‘Punch & Judy’ show.

    “Gummepuppen?” – ‘The Longest Day,’ 1962

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. No, you’re the towel.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  6. Did she take her shoe off and bang it on the podium?

    Azygos (198248)

  7. This is the only debate I watched.
    If I was a LIV, I would probably think she would be a better POTUS.
    –She had wonky policy details, he had slogans and vague promises about how he would make great deals.
    –I wouldn’t know what he was talking about when he referred to the Project Veritas videos, and Haiti, and wouldn’t know enough to understand Wallace’s references to the Wikileaks emails. And if it was left to Trump, we would have no references to them. In fact, she made better use of them than he did as a point of attack.
    –She looked calm and collected, like a polite hostess. He looked stressed and petulant.
    —And final point: he looked like he had health problems, but not her. For one thing, he looked flushed and orange skinned. Maybe the make-up was rigged?
    Of course, I know about the videos, etc and know how corrupt she is, so I won’t vote for her. But LIVs….

    Kishnevi (52f196)

  8. Petulant worked for Obama.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  9. We made it through the last 8 years. We’ll make it through the next 4.

    My big concern isn’t with either of these clowns, but, instead, with the social and intellectual devolution of the electorate. It’s who we have become that worries. And let’s be honest, these nominees aren’t any worse than the preening idiot who currently occupies the White House or those he surrounds himself with. Either way, it’s four more years.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  10. Semblance is way in.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  11. The older than me pop singer, Madonna, is offering to blow Dustin, and everyone else who votes for Hillary.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246838/

    I’m guessing it’s like actors threating to move to Canada, except Madonna actually moved to the UK.

    Maybe she doesn’t expect there will be very many Clinton voters.

    It informs of the caliber of floozies besmirching Donald Trump.

    papertiger (19ee0b)

  12. Trump may have an argument that she’s a (bigger) puppet (than he is) but she is not a puppet of Putin. And he didn’t clarify this at all for the audience.

    Trump did make some effort to distance himself from Putin. He also said, again, that he didn’t know Putin. Chris Wallace did not remind him that he’d once claimed to have gotten to know Vladimir Putin very well, because they were in the same episode of 60 Minutes (which doesn’t do live interviews)

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  13. ThOR (c9324e) — 10/19/2016 @ 8:34 pm

    And let’s be honest, these nominees aren’t any worse than the preening idiot who currently occupies the White House or those he surrounds himself with. Either way, it’s four more years.

    No, they are worse, especially since Obama has improved a little after a;most 8 years.

    I think a poll would agree about that.

    Back in April:

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/09/voters-president-obama-prefer-2016-candidates.html

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  14. oh good gravy, that’s a worse den of scum than trig denialist site, immoral majority,

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. papertiger,

    That’s interesting. I can’t blame Madonna for her interest in stopping Trump, but she’s not really my type and I don’t think any special effort will be necessary to stop him. Trump has failed more than any politician in living memory. He’s just a natural loser I suppose.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  16. what you expect common sense, one would think joss whedon would have a clue who is hydra, and who are the avengers, but that would involve selfaware, (alliance and browncoats would also fit)

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. I would go and read the transcripts of the disjointed ramblings of the guy in the video, especially the last 15 or so seconds of his jeremiad, but I think I would just find it to be depressing. A guy even 10% more articulate would probably be moving the needle a whole lot more.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  18. her campaign manager was a director with the bank that funded the hacker collective, it was the administration she was a part of, that allowed the dombass repo team to succeed, they also didn’t meddle with bashir, for the same reason,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. “Here’s a little thought experiment for you:

    If a friend said he could see a pink elephant in the room, standing right in front of you, but you don’t see it, which one of you is hallucinating?

    Answer: The one who sees the pink elephant is hallucinating.

    Let’s try another one.

    If a friend tells you that you were both abducted by aliens last night but for some reason only he remembers it, which one of you hallucinated?

    Answer: The one who saw the aliens is hallucinating.

    Now let’s add some participants and try another one.

    If a crowd of people are pointing to a stain on the wall, and telling you it is talking to them, with a message from God, and you don’t see anything but a stain, who is hallucinating? Is it the majority who see the stain talking or the one person who does not?

    Answer: The people who see the stain talking are experiencing a group hallucination, which is more common than you think.

    In nearly every scenario you can imagine, the person experiencing an unlikely addition to their reality is the one hallucinating. If all observers see the same addition to their reality, it might be real. But if even one participant can’t see the phenomenon – no matter how many can – it is almost certainly not real.

    Here I pause to remind new readers of this blog that I’m a trained hypnotist and a student of persuasion in all its forms. I’ve spent a lifetime trying to learn the tricks for discerning illusion from reality. And I’m here to tell you that if you are afraid that Donald Trump is a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament, you have been brainwashed by the best group of brainwashers in the business right now: Team Clinton. They have cognitive psychologists such as Godzilla advising them. Allegedly.

    I remind you that intelligence is not a defense against persuasion. No matter how smart you are, good persuaders can still make you see a pink elephant in a room where there is none (figuratively speaking). And Clinton’s team of persuaders has caused half of the country to see Trump as a racist/sexist Hitler with a dangerous temperament. That’s a pink elephant.

    As a public service (and I mean that literally) I have been trying to unhypnotize the country on this matter for the past year. I don’t do this because I prefer Trump’s policies or because I know who would do the best job as president. I do it because our system doesn’t work if you think there is a pink elephant in the room and there is not. That isn’t real choice. That is an illusion of choice.

    Trump represents what is likely to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring real change to a government that is bloated and self-serving. Reasonable people can disagree on policies and priorities. But Trump is the bigger agent for change, if that’s what you think the country needs. I want voters to see that choice for what it is…”

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152024526021/i-wake-you-up-for-the-presidential-debate

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. Haiku: I could just as easily say that if Adams sees a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring real change, that’s an unlikely addition to his reality that many of us don’t see, so *he* is hallucinating as much as he says the anti-Trump folk are.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  21. And I’m here to tell you that if you are afraid that Donald Trump is a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament, you have been brainwashed by the best group of brainwashers in the business right now: Team Clinton.

    I don’t like him because he seems to be remarkably incurious about anything that doesn’t feed his massive ego.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  22. Sorry, Dana, the highlight was Trump telling us he’ll keep us in suspense as to whether or not he’ll accept the outcome of the election.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  23. If illary’s a puppet, does that mean someone has to actually put their hand inside of her?
    ICK!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. there are the broad strokes, the particulars we leave to cabinet and other officials, our military has been slashed the police are underfire, huge numbers of people are out of work,

    none of the broadsheets have noted creamer’s culpability, or the larger revelations from wikileaks, nor apparently leaking our nuclear response times,

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. well she knows about rigged, she rigged the 2008 election, in part,

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/788936343204364289

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. And I’m here to tell you that if you are afraid that Donald Trump is a racist/sexist clown with a dangerous temperament, you have been brainwashed by the best group of brainwashers in the business right now: Team Clinton.

    How about because he is a double-faced, two-tongued, short-count rip off artist, fit only for the company of cretinous Slavics?

    nk (dbc370)

  27. of course, she’s a puppet of the big banks, including wellsfargo and deutche bank, and the gulf states, certain interests in nigeria and haiti,

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. As for Dilbert, his dyspeptic view of America as a dystopia has long been evident in his comic strip. He wants it changed by someone, anyone, any way, any how, and Trump is the one available now. Well, kindly go and f*** yourself, Mr. Adams.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. hey we’re already in elbonia, as yesterday’s press conference with renzi, who faces insurgent forces from the five stars, illustrated,

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. I knew Trump was a racist and sexist clown when he was still a Hillary supporter.

    BTW, Cruz Supporter, marionettes are puppets too.

    Nick M. (d6362a)

  31. I could just as easily say that if Adams sees a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring real change,

    We did have such an opportunity. It was there for the taking. We would have had the WH, the Congress, 7-2 on the Court and enough statehouses to ratify amendments.

    Instead, we nominated Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  32. We haven’t seen the worst of this yet. Trump is the kind of loser who kicks the game board over.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. The only born losers are the ones not voting Trump.

    mg (31009b)

  34. Vote for Trump because the Indian guys who now sit where old Dilbert used to sit don’t get the humor in my comic strip. A lot more simpler and understable than all his mind tricks and woe is me preening.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  35. I didn’t watch it, I couldn’t watch it. The debate stage: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    The Dana who won't have to wash his eyes out with bleach (f6a568)

  36. I watched snippets. My reaction to her is off the charts, he i can ignore.

    She is evil, he is a buffoon.

    We are in the bread and circus election, she promises free bread, he delivers the circus.

    I’ll vote for the clown, she is evil to the core.

    Steven Malynn (5c1dae)

  37. But I know the clown will lose.

    Steven Malynn (5c1dae)

  38. Jonah nails it:

    As for Hillary. She, as ever, was plodding, uninteresting, deceitful, and arrogant. But she made no major mistakes because she understood she needs to sit on her lead and make this election a referendum on Donald Trump. Of course, if you know anything about the issues, or if you listened carefully to her answers, she just confirmed what a corrupt, dishonest, and un-compelling politician she is. She speaks in white noise, even when she’s saying outrageous or ridiculous things. All of which should be embarrassing for the Trump team given how she’s mopping the floor with him.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/441240/trump-owns-his-trumpiness

    Steven Malynn (5c1dae)

  39. “The Material Girl took the stage as the opening standup act for Amy Schumer at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday night, and joked about a proposition to people who cast their ballot for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    “One more thing before I introduce this genius of comedy: If you vote for Hillary Clinton, I will give you a b–job — and I am good,” she said to the crowd.

    The 58-year-old singer went on to detail her qualifications for the position.

    “I take my time, I have… eye contact and I do swallow,” she added, giving a thumbs up.”

    https://thelibertyzone.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/madonna_old-451×250.jpg?w=600&h=332
    madonna_old-451×250

    Yeah. If you vote for someone who routinely violated diplomatic protocol, spilled classified information, lied about it, and whom diplomatic security agents apparently avoided like a flaming case of the herp, to run this country, you will get a blow job from a 58-year-old, dried up hooker. Oh, and she’ll swallow! There’s incentive for you!

    Anyone else want to vomit in their own mouths?

    Seriously, do you want to look down and see THAT with your trouser snake in its mouth? She’s past cougar and into perhaps vulture. She’ll swallow, alright. And later she’ll vomit your giblets back up to feed her offspring in their nest!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. And yeah, Dustin would…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. “Make no mistake about it. Neither party has a good candidate for President. The choice is between bad and disastrous.”

    — Thomas Sowell

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. But, But, Trump is nasty.

    Steven Malynn (5c1dae)

  43. And he said teh P-word!

    Decision Point 2016.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  44. Colonel, continuing to sound the alarm about the evil that will befall the Republic when Killary wins has become pointless. The election will be whatever it is, resistance is futile. Trying to defeat the stench of corruption that is Killary is impossible when a perfect coalition has formed a wall around her to protect her the likes of which is only dreamed of by border agents. If I didn’t know better I’d think there was a collusion going on between the TV and newspaper news media, TV and entertainment, Hollywood, education, sports, labor and the neverTrumpers to insure a Killary victory.

    When Loretta Lynch secretly and “accidentally” met with BJ Clinton that fateful day more was discussed than grandchildren. The future of America and the free world was decided and she was there to deliver the “all clear” to the Clintons. Since then the media has protected her like a Praetorian Guard, she has hidden from view and only appears to flush the toilet of her bus, and behind the scenes deals are being cut at a never before dreamed of pace.

    Welcome to our new kleptocracy.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  45. Clown nose off… Clown nose on… Clown nose off…

    OR…

    Lambchop

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  46. Hoagie… I appreciate what you stand for.

    Eyes Wide Open.

    Decision Point:

    1. Does one push back against the dismal tide of crony capitalism, The Socialist State and all those who collude, american vichy, all those puppet masters?

    OR

    2. Throw in with and run with the Sheeple?

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  47. Trump is throwing this election and the only ones who can’t figure it out are the Trumpkins.

    We told you it would be this bad.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  48. OR

    3. Fall into a toothless, belly-up, doggie submission?

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  49. Pardon the paywall, but thats how they got to Roberts. I’d have a smidge more respect for H, if Ms. Tanden, and not that rail Huma, was her ______.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/rolling-justice-roberts-1476486260

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  50. And for their next trick, the RNC will enter a 20″ Schwinn Stingray with 5-speed stick-shift, high riser handlebars, banana seat, and sissy bar in the Daytona 500.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. Why didn’t Wallace ask Hillary, with their weaponized IRS, blinded in the left eye Justice Dept, Black Panther election enforcement, and paid thug shutdown of GOP rallies, if she will accept her defeat on election day?

    She’s the one with the track record of kicking over the chess board when things don’t go her way.

    papertiger (021e95)

  52. And dumping over the table when she wins, for that matter.

    papertiger (021e95)

  53. The right answer was:

    “I’m not giving you a license to steal the election. If there is doubt about even one vote, I will challenge the results. So tell your operatives to keep their dirty tricks to themselves in this election, Hillary.”

    But is Mr. Donald The Trump known for saying the right thing at the right time?

    nk (dbc370)

  54. Did you hear her going on about how she has fought for the rights of children since she was a wee lass?

    But voted to make it legal to suck out their brains with a vacuum cleaner right up to the day they’re born. _Trump pointed out

    papertiger (021e95)

  55. . If all observers see the same addition to their reality, it might be real. But if even one participant can’t see the phenomenon – no matter how many can – it is almost certainly not real.

    I will call this the unpopped kernel fallacy. Because, unlike a mathematical proposition where all you need is one negative outcome to disprove an assertion, Reality does not require that all must experience the same phenomenon or have the same sensation. I could hear (as a youth) frequencies far above what is considered normal, e.g. the high frequency oscillations emitted by security alarms.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  56. There was a rumor going around last night that Hillary was blinking excessively and even drooling at one point.

    Still bitterly clinging to the idea that anything could happen.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  57. I love how the people who say George W. Bush stole Florida are now claiming that claims of election fraud is un-American.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  58. http://hillarysamericathemovie.com/blog/rolling-justice-roberts/

    For the no paywall version of Urbans link.

    papertiger (021e95)

  59. 53… damned straight.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  60. Gotta get my William Henry Harrison gear and votive candles.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  61. But voted to make it legal to suck out their brains with a vacuum cleaner right up to the day they’re born. _Trump pointed out

    papertiger

    That would be an excellent point if Cruz made it. If Trump makes this same point it’s hypocrisy. Trump’s a pro-choice guy who praises Planned Parenthood and then pretends the American people will buy any flip flop.

    You can pretty much repeat this argument for 50% of Trump’s rambling criticisms. The other half are just nonsense and the only reply is to laugh at Trump, which is what Americans have been doing if you didn’t notice.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  62. The excessive blinking and teh drool is just the result of code they added in the latest patch to make Clinton appear more lifelike, Sarah.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  63. No ifs ands or buts Dustin. Donald Trump made the point in the debate.

    You didn’t watch it did you?

    papertiger (021e95)

  64. It does suck for me that Hillary will be president, but I really don’t think happy Trump voters who are upset with Hillary being president are thinking straight.

    They wanted Trump and are getting Hillary, who really is amazingly similar to him. The only real difference is that an R is a D. Otherwise, they are both pretty similar in experience, success, and on the things they really believe. Trump is less stable and more embarrassing so Hillary’s basically a better deal all around and this is a no-brainer election for most Americans.

    Personally I wasn’t happy with either of them, but those who love Trump should at least like Hillary. Congrats y’all!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  65. This is for SarahW because I think medical things interest her as much as they do me.

    Hillary’s behavior reminds me of adult-onset Tourette’s secondary to a fall or stroke.

    DRJ (15874d)

  66. You should change your screen name to LIV, Dustin.

    Hillary in a surprise move (to absolutely nobody, including her doctor) is taking the day off after the debate.

    RIght now she’s in the Tower siphoning off Rapunsel’s blood to rejuvenate herself.

    THe Keith Richards of politics.

    papertiger (021e95)

  67. In general our strategic goal with people who have become conservative activists is not to convert them—that isn’t going to happen. It is to demoralize them—to ‘deactivate’ them. We need to deflate their enthusiasm, to make them lose their ardor and above all their self-confidence… way to demoralize conservative activists is to surround them with the echo chamber of our positions and assumptions. We need to make them feel that they are not mainstream, to make them feel isolated… We must isolate them ideologically… use the progressive echo chamber… By defeating them and isolating them ideologically, we demoralize conservative activists directly. Then they begin to quarrel among themselves or blame each other for defeat in isolation, and that demoralizes them further.

    –Robert Creamer

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  68. No ifs ands or buts Dustin. Donald Trump made the point in the debate.

    You didn’t watch it did you?

    papertiger

    Oh did Trump win another debate? You should link some of those online polls Trump fans are botnetting. 140% Trump -30% Hillary.

    I’m just surprised Hillary made it through the debates looking healthy. She must be delighted that Trump has looked less fit and healthy than her in all three. And that’s a fact. I’m sure the infowars and stormfront guys think that whatever meds they pumped in her must be pretty exotic.

    I don’t want to insult you, but if you accept everything Trump tells you, yes, of course he made some great points. If you are a normal, healthy person who can tell they are being conned, then Trump scored a lot of points against himself.

    A planned parenthood donor and huge fan who wanted to put a partial birth abortion advocate on the US Supreme Court a couple of years ago, now bashing someone over abortion? It’s sociopathic and it’s an insult to this country that he tried to pull that off. I agree, “what a shameless liar” is the point of the debate, if not the election. And you should be delighted that a liar like Trump, albeit less unstable, will be winning soon. Hey, you believe what Trump says and he said Hillary would be a great president. Congrats!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  69. This is pretty much a verbatim quote from a die-hard Clinton-Obama-Clinton Democrat:

    “Hillary stays out of sight because the more people see of her the less they like her.”

    nk (dbc370)

  70. You should change your screen name to LIV, Dustin.

    It’s true. I’m stupid and know very little and this is the only reason why I do not support Donald Trump, who is awesome.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  71. It is like a slow-motion car wreck. I want to avert my eyes, but I can’t.

    I’m so glad I don’t “own” DJT or his New York values. Can’t say you weren’t warned.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  72. DRJ, SNL can redeem itself if it shows President Hillary being carried to and fro on a dolly and, as a nod to a certain non-voting Illinois resident, a plastic tank of unnamed yellowish liquid strapped to the side.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  73. Are we talking puppets?

    If so, I want to tip my hat to Steve Bannon for cleaning up the blithering slob. Unfortunately, unless he handcuffs himself to Shorty, there are going to be breaks in coverage.

    Rather stunning, isn’t it, that a nasty piece of work like Bannon is a step up?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  74. I thought the highlight was when Hillary announced the President’s reaction time in initiating the previously Top Secret SIOP. Continued indifference to this level of utter disregard for information security is beyond maddening.

    crazy (d3b449)

  75. Rather stunning, isn’t it, that a nasty piece of work like Bannon is a step up?

    ThOR

    You can tell a lot about Trump simply by the fact that he relies on people like Lewendowski and Bannon.

    DRJ, SNL can redeem itself if it shows President Hillary being carried to and fro on a dolly

    If only. It’s going to be another 4 years of the media fawning over how awesome some lame democrat president is. SNL has made Hillary vibrant, young, pretty, and tough.

    It was so stupid for Trump to rest his campaign on ‘free media’. He makes John Mccain look like Nostradamus.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  76. Steve Bannon as Professor Henry Higgins. I’d love to sit in on one of their sessions.

    We done got us a candidate who can out-parody SNL.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  77. Just as it is telling that President Mom Jeans surrounded himself with a pantheon of Democrat dim bulbs.

    You are the company you keep – and, I suppose, the candidates you support.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  78. nk @55.

    “I’m not giving you a license to steal the election. If there is doubt about even one vote, I will challenge the results. So tell your operatives to keep their dirty tricks to themselves in this election, Hillary.”

    Something like that, yes.

    But for that to happen, Donald Trump would have to understand things. He could have added he will challenge any election results that look wrong even if it makes no difference to the final outcome for him.

    He could also have referenced Al Gore in the 2000 election, who said every vote should be counted, and the time when a president was elected by landslide and Hillary did not simply say “The people have spoken.”

    Donald Trump also has to stop saying things that come off wrong or just don’t fit the facts, like burbling about actual people standing on line on Election Day because, for the most part, that’s not how fraud happens. (you could have ineligible people registered, which I think happens mostly in California.)

    It would be absentee ballots or done after the polls close (or sometimes before they open).

    In this election more than a third of the votes will be cast in advance of election day.

    Dead people never did walk out of the cemetery to vote and they weren’t physically impersonated either. That kind of thing can only happen when a political machine does not control any part of the election machinery and there is no practical opposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  79. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/20/2016 @ 8:25 am

    SNL can redeem itself if it shows President Hillary being carried to and fro on a dolly There are actually little hints of that. Like she’s glad she can lean on. One parody showed her drinking champagne like an alcoholic when the 2005 video came out.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  80. But for that to happen, Donald Trump would have to understand things.

    Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  81. Didn’t stop the quote:

    My words are: There are actually little hints of that. Like she’s glad she can lean [something]. One parody showed her drinking champagne like an alcoholic when the 2005 video came out.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  82. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/20/2016 @ 6:30 am

    When Loretta Lynch secretly and “accidentally” met with BJ Clinton that fateful day more was discussed than grandchildren… she was there to deliver the “all clear” to the Clintons.

    I don’t think that’s the way it happened at all, and I can’t see why people are so ready to believe that. The timeline isn’t right.

    Nor do the Clintons work in such an obvious manner. I would even bet that this story that something was agreed to then was spread by the Clintons.

    No way could he and Loretta Lynch agreed to cover things up at this point. This was too close to the end of the investigation for that to be true.

    What it was, was this: Bill Clinton was trying to decide whether Hillary was going to meet with the FBI for an interview. She had not yet agreed to it. Bill Clinton just wanted to know if there was something else unknown tp him that was under investigation.

    Bill Clinton arranged that meeting all by himself and surprised Loretta Lynch.

    He needed to know if Loretta Lynch had bene warned that he, Bill Clinton, was the subject of an investigation. If he was, she would avoid him. If she did not completely avoid him (but had an opportunity to avoid him) it meant he wasn’t under investigaton – i.e., there was no RICO investigation, and there would no surprise questions at the Hillary interview.

    Had he asked for a meeting he would have been turned down, and had he just bumped into her at some event, it would not have signified anything because she would not have been able to avoid him. He needed to give her some choice, but only in way that would require that she show adefnite decision had been made not to talk to him, which would mean it would considered unethical for her to meet him ex parte.

    He probably also broached some subjects to see what she avoided talking about. It wasn’t what Loretta Kynch said – it was what she didn’t say, and what she didn’t NOT say .

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  83. We done got us a candidate who can out-parody SNL.

    ThOR

    Yes!

    At any rate, Hillary can’t have much of a mandate for beating him. No one likes her and she is keenly aware of this (her main difference from Trump)

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  84. @ 72

    Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Congrats.

    Baby steps.

    papertiger (021e95)

  85. Man, I can’t wait for November 9. That’s when Trumpkins vote. We’ll see how many votes he gets and just put this while thing to rest one way or another.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. The only reason I would have watch that debate would have been if I knew Trump was wearing a bomb vest. THAT would have been great TV.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  87. It’s interesting to go back and read the comments from 10 months ago. We were much more civil then.

    DRJ (15874d)

  88. Everything that has happened with Trump was predicted by #nevertrump months ago. Not one thing surprises us except the accuracy.

    To his supporters, though, it must look like an unending run of “bad luck.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  89. Cool link, DRJ. It’s fun to watch and see how folks have evolved over time, myself included.

    Not fun to see that most of us have been so unhappy with the course of this election. Life’s too short as it is.

    Everything that has happened with Trump was predicted by #nevertrump months ago. Not one thing surprises us except the accuracy.

    Absolutely right. But it’s your fault, Kevin.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  90. Via ThOR back in January, Trump vs Cruz on the issues. Trump and every Trump supporter have now adopted most of Cruz’s positions. The exception is Trump is still blaming Bush for our problems, and Cruz didn’t.

    DRJ (15874d)

  91. We have changed, except for Patterico. He’s been consistent.

    DRJ (15874d)

  92. I’m curious as to how Putin will continue to weaken and destroy Clinton. The probability he is holding much more negative information on her than he has allowed to be released to this point is very high. The email dumps are entertaining but phone intercepts will be even more damaging. I count him as the biggest winner in this election, both by aiding a certain loser via social media in the primaries and then by damaging the ‘winner’ in the general.

    He’s going to steamroll Clinton even flatter than Obama.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  93. I was surprised Trump was nominated. I hoped that more Republicans and Independents valued conservative policies instead of populist rhetoric.

    DRJ (15874d)

  94. nk, did you quote Condaleeza Rice intentionally or accidentally?

    .I thought the highlight was when Hillary announced the President’s reaction time in initiating the previously Top Secret SIOP. Continued indifference to this level of utter disregard for information security is beyond maddening.

    crazy (d3b449) — 10/20/2016 @ 8:33 am
    Pedantic point: It wasn’t reaction time, it was time span from decision to actual firing of missiles. More importantly, you’re assuming the daughter of the father of lies was telling the truth.

    Kishnevi (150a2a)

  95. DRJ —

    There was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fix the American system and undo 50 years of Democrat misrule. Trump — with an able assist from 16 squabbling GOP contenders — has turned that into a situation where the party could be nearly wiped out. If, as many of his supporters insist, people who vote for Trump leave the down-ballot races blank, Hillary will have unprecedented power, and, unlike Barack Obama, will know what to do with it. The lights will go out and not be lit again in our lifetimes.

    So, yeah, we’re not feeling civil at all. I expect that there will be some truly frightening confrontations in GOP meetings after the election.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  96. She’s always been bested by Putin. He and his advisers are light years ahead of American leaders when it comes to intelligence.

    DRJ (15874d)

  97. The probability he is holding much more negative information on her than he has allowed to be released to this point is very high.

    Yes. And I will go so far as to say Trump is nearly blackmail-proof.

    But is this a bad thing? I love America, but America is not a world leader and has no real moral order anymore. Is it better for Russia to overshadow the middle east and provide some semblance of order? Would the world be a better place if Russia had won in Afghanistan and managed to make better inroads into Persia 100 years ago?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  98. @87

    The checks stop coming, nk?

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/10/20/clinton-world-thinks-its-over/

    There’s your reason.

    papertiger (021e95)

  99. Sadly, I agree this is devastating, Kevin M 97, but I have not given up hope that people will reconsider and that America can prevail. But Americans will pay a steep price in the next 10 years.

    DRJ (15874d)

  100. On a more general note, the OU sponsors a thing whereby everyone reads through the Prophets and Writings a chapter a day.

    The scheduled chapter for Election Day is Joel 1. Rather fitting, don’t you think?

    Kishnevi (150a2a)

  101. It’s all part of the global conspiracy, Kishnevi.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Call out to the Lord.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. Good advice in good times and bad.

    DRJ (15874d)

  104. Wake up, you drunkards, and weep!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  105. Hillafy voters reaching up from the grave to screw the future.

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/09/30/surprise.-democrats-registering-dead-people-vote-virginia/

    Any scripture covering that one?

    papertiger (021e95)

  106. God has no interest in politics. For those who think apocalyptically, Trump and Hillary are nothing more than two germs released by the First Horseman.

    nk (dbc370)

  107. You know HUD buys up reverse mortgages in order to remove the human face from their pilfering of dead peoples homes.

    I’d be checking how many of those dead people still vote, and for a Democrat the first time.

    papertiger (021e95)

  108. nk berates others for bringing God into the debate, then in the same breathe invoke Revelations.

    You are the perfect Democrat.

    papertiger (021e95)

  109. Reverse mortgages are only important to people who own their homes. And if they managed to own a home with equity, they are likely intelligent enough to decide whether a reverse mortgage is a good deal for them. The most annoying thing about Trumpkins is that they’re losers who want a government sugar-daddy to manage not only their lives but the lives of other people too.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. The worst candidate of my lifetime opposed by the 2nd worst. Whichever order you think they go, is still sucks.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  111. You are the perfect Democrat.

    Nobody’s perfect.

    nk (dbc370)

  112. Call out to the Lord.

    DRJ (15874d) — 10/20/2016 @ 9:38 am

    Actually I have. And He answered.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  113. Reverse mortgages are only important to people who own their homes.

    That’s not true, actually. It’s also of interest to the “house-rich” — people with substantial equity but still with a sizable mortgage. A reverse mortgage can pay the ongoing mortgage/taxes/insurance just as easily as it can pay a monthly income. At a time when interest rates are very low, this becomes more interesting.

    The real issue is that the limits on reverse mortgages mean that people in expensive areas can’t really utilize them.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  114. Man, I can’t wait for November 9.” – nk

    Ditto

    ThOR (c9324e)

  115. Call out to the Lord.

    And yet He has not yet seen fit to intervene.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  116. “Man, I can’t wait for November 9.”

    That’s the day when the Trumpers all change their screen names?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  117. G*D respects our free will to screw ourselves royally. This is called justice.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  118. Call out to the Lord.

    And yet He has not yet seen fit to intervene.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/20/2016 @ 10:13 am

    Is that really His job, unmaking the beds we keep finding fit to lie in?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  119. People . People. People.

    You’re getting stuck in the weeds.

    The main point is HUD buys up reverse mortgages, taking possession of dead people’s homes, addresses, identities.
    Given what we know of the Democrats nature, what do you think they do with that information, beside making butloads of money?

    California hasn’t gone Republican since the reverse mortgage came into vogue. Coincidence?

    papertiger (021e95)

  120. I have what I believe to be Reaganesque conservative values.

    How is it possible that I am so far out of the mainstream?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  121. 89. DRJ (15874d) — 10/20/2016 @ 9:18 am

    It’s interesting to go back and read the comments from 10 months ago. We were much more civil then.

    Some people probably now feel that some other people, whom they consider to be people who think like them, are about to vote to, if not destroy, seriously damage, the country’s future well being. And now it’s getting closer to the moment of truth.

    And who, if not people who think like them, should they appeal to? If people they are more or aligned with are lost, what hope is there? So there’s great bitterness.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  122. The main point is HUD buys up reverse mortgages, taking possession of dead people’s homes, addresses, identities.
    Given what we know of the Democrats nature, what do you think they do with that information, beside making butloads of money?

    Is there an Alex Jones or Art Bell link you could share with more?

    California hasn’t gone Republican since the reverse mortgage came into vogue. Coincidence?

    Yes.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  123. Back then we were all assuming the flirtation with Trump was a dalliance that would pass. It didn’t.

    Learning that we have become a nation of schoolgirls is a bitter pill that’s not going down so easy, especially now that we more clearly see the damage it will cause.

    Even Hillary, as we now learn from Wikileaks, understood that a primary vote for Trump was a general election vote for her.

    Way to go, Trump supporters.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  124. California hasn’t gone Republican since the reverse mortgage came into vogue. Coincidence?

    California hasn’t gone Republican since 1988. Reverse mortgages, while their inception was circa 1961, didn’t become popular until the late 1990s.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  125. @96 Kishnevi. I know exactly what she was talking about. The non-pedantic among us understood the point was she was talking about stuff she shouldn’t have. I expect her defense is she wasn’t ever briefed and if she was what difference does it make. So who’s more qualified to issue the launch order – the one who brags about her knowledge of response times she may or may not have been briefed on or the dangerous punkin head?

    crazy (d3b449)

  126. BTW, that Madonna offer is an old Trump joke dating back to at least 2009:

    Madonna meets Trump at a party. She says, “Mr. Trump, I am a huge fan. I’d like for us to go some place, just the two of us, so I can have wild, crazy sex with you.” And Trump says, “What’s in it for me?”

    nk (dbc370)

  127. “Even Hillary, as we now learn from Wikileaks, understood that a primary vote for Trump was a general election vote for her.”

    ThOR,

    I’m sure Putin appreciated confirmation by Clinton that Trump would be her weakest opponent. It allowed him to tightly focus his social media bots to achieve maximum damage.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  128. There’s…still…time….
    http://jalopnik.com/vice-president-joe-biden-gets-permission-to-drive-a-cor-1787998325

    do the right thing next Friday, Obama, show up to the podium in full prayer garb (“This is not a Halloween Costume, my fellow Americans”), and resign while instructing the electors to install Biden.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  129. I’m no Karl Rove fan, but back in 2000 he convinced Bush Jr. to reach out to non-voting evangelicals and, thereby, broaden the conservative base. It was a strategy steeped in inclusivity and it was a winning plan. In that squeaker of an election, those Evangelicals made the difference.

    So now Evangelicals, along with disillusioned Southern Democrats (if you were a Southern Democrat, who would you vote for? Hill or Bern? Or Shorty?), hand us a Republican nominee whose strategy runs the other direction. Even after Shorty had secured the nomination, he lacked the self control to stop demonizing and demagoguing the very Republicans he would need to secure victory in November. Moreover, to this day, his supporters carry on the trash talking.

    And they wonder why their man is about to lose the most winnable presidential contest of my lifetime.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  130. Even after Shorty had secured the nomination, he lacked the self control to stop demonizing and demagoguing the very Republicans he would need to secure victory in November. Moreover, to this day, his supporters carry on the trash talking.

    Yep.

    Trump’s fans sure hate them some potential Trump voters for some reason. Trump couldn’t apologize to Ted Cruz if his life depended on it. These people call themselves winners because they can’t exactly rest on their accomplishments to do the talking.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  131. If it hadn’t been noted yet, our enemies also appreciated Hillary Clinton sharing that it will take approximately 4 minutes for the US to launch a nuclear strike. All to make her appear knowledgeable.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  132. The most astounding argument for Shorty I’ve seen – and I’ve encountered some doozies – is that I should act like a grownup and vote for Trump, even though their candidate is incapable of behaving like a grownup.

    By the way, I’m not much of a religious scholar, so help me out. In which gospel does Christ teach that we should choose the lesser of two evils?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  133. I think it’s 2 Corinthians, ThOR.

    nk (dbc370)

  134. #133 Colonel Haiku, is this the same illary woman who shared a lot of other things in her unprotected server?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  135. 111. Quite a contention there. Always good to know how the self-anointed arbiters of wisdom, ethics and morality think, as well as learn of the contempt they hold for fellow Americans who may be in less fortunate circumstances than themselves.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  136. If it hadn’t been noted yet, our enemies also appreciated Hillary Clinton sharing that it will take approximately 4 minutes for the US to launch a nuclear strike. All to make her appear knowledgeable.

    Colonel Haiku

    I’m sure she’s shared a lot worse than that in her emails. Remember in the 1990s when these guys gave the Chinese ICBM tech?

    It blows my mind that Trump said Hillary would be a great president and was a terrific Secretary of State while calling W the worst president in American history.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  137. 136. Why yes… yes, it is.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  138. You also said you’d be proud to vote for Hillary Clinton just a few weeks ago, Dusty. What’s that say about your judgement?

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  139. “You’re the puppet… Lambchop!”

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  140. “lesser of two evils” may not be in the Bible at all
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/lesser_of_two_evils

    Kishnevi (35c1d4)

  141. Ah,not Christ but the Imitation of Christ
    https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/incontext/article/kempis/
    But I think Thomas a Kempis meant something rather different than Donald v Hillary

    Kishnevi (35c1d4)

  142. You also said you’d be proud to vote for Hillary Clinton just a few weeks ago, Dusty. What’s that say about your judgement?

    Colonel Haiku

    I think I said that yesterday. And I do intend to vote for her. She is awful, but Trump is even worse. I don’t think I’ve been unclear about my reasoning and I don’t think it’s necessary to explain it at length. Cliffnotes: Trump is unstable and cruel.

    A lot of people think both of these candidates are awful and have decided they think one is more dangerous than the other. You claim we have poor judgment but the truth is that you’re simply a partisan and there’s no judgment involved in your analysis. If Hillary were the democrat just turned Republican rather than Trump, you’d be agreeing with me. It’s all about that Team R.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  143. Madonna’s offer sounds ripe for voter fraud.

    Let her get up close with the Democrat electorate.
    Bus em in.

    papertiger (021e95)

  144. Don’t conflate “we” with “just you”.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  145. But Dustin, as you accuse us of voting for illary if she merely had an ‘R’ next to her name, you’re intending to vote for her when she has a ‘D‘ next to her name.
    So you’re actually for the Democrat when she’s a Democrat — isn’t that fair to say?

    Also, you’re voting the same way as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Scott Foval, and Bob Creamer.

    Those of us who are voting for Trump are voting the same way as Ted Cruz, Justin Amash, Dick Cheney, John Bolton, and Mark Steyn.

    Have I said anything inaccurate?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  146. Dustin, I am not at all partisan for team R,
    I am partisan against the party of moloch that replaces the rule of law with the decree of the powerful at every chance it gets.

    I would vote Trump if Clinton was gone and Kaine was the candidate.

    God casts down the proud and lifts up the humble,
    He is not above using the wicked to punish the less wicked (see Habakkuk).

    He is interested in every sparrow that falls to the ground, surely he cares who rules among the sons are daughters of mankind.
    But his priorities are different than ours,
    and His allegiance is to Himself, for there is none higher than He to give allegiance to.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  147. God always acts,
    Sometimes it is to let us reap the whirlwind we have coming.
    My hope, at this point, is that so much stuff about Clinton, Obama and the Dems in general from WikiLeaks, Veritas, and FBI pseudoinvestigation so as to convince 55% of the electorate that the Democrats couldn’t care less about those who they say they care about, but only care for their power hungry selves.
    And after a Trump win he either has a literal come to Jesus and get a right mind,
    Or quickly does something that gets his rapid impeachment.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  148. 147. Unless you are looking over their shoulder in the voting both, how can you be sure of any except Steyn?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  149. 138 Colonel Haiku

    .If it hadn’t been noted yet, our enemies also appreciated Hillary Clinton sharing that it will take approximately 4 minutes for the US to launch a nuclear strike. All to make her appear knowledgeable.

    It may not be true.

    The default targeting was changed a little over 20 years ago to the middle of the ocean.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_%E2%80%93_Russia_mutual_detargeting

    It might take a lot more than 4 minutes, to change the target.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  150. Thanks, Sammeh, I will now re-program the launch code in my home silo, just to be consistent, cuz I’m all about consistency.

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  151. So this was disinformation like that Skeletor Raddatz woman mentioned as an excuse for why we’d inform the enemy of our plans or imminent hostile actions… right, Sammeh?

    Colonel Haiku (fabf46)

  152. Sammy,

    The goddamn point is that illary is so reckless that she would actually reveal information publicly. Whether the info is technically accurate or not is beside the point. The bitch can’t keep her mouth shut. This is the same person you bent over backwards to defend over “technicalities” regarding her private email server.

    This is a pattern — not a gaffe.

    She doesn’t honor top secret info. Therefore, she’s unfit to become President. Just like this punk who currently occupies the Oval Office who announced months/years in advance when we would be withdrawing from Afghanistan.

    Loose lips sink ships. Say it again.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  153. as you accuse us of voting for illary if she merely had an ‘R’ next to her name, you’re intending to vote for her when she has a ‘D‘ next to her name.

    Because I’m not a partisan but you are.

    Also, you’re voting the same way as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Scott Foval, and Bob Creamer.

    And Donald Trump in 2008.

    I am not making a decision based on political parties at a time when the GOP is actively thwarting conservatism. I’m making decisions based on what I think is right. In this contest, I think Hillary, as bad as she is, is not as bad as the Team R candidate.

    Those of us who are voting for Trump are voting the same way as Ted Cruz, Justin Amash, Dick Cheney, John Bolton, and Mark Steyn.

    Can you prove that? I sincerely doubt all of those men vote for Trump.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  154. Dustin, I am not at all partisan for team R,
    I am partisan against the party of moloch that replaces the rule of law with the decree of the powerful at every chance it gets.

    I would vote Trump if Clinton was gone and Kaine was the candidate.

    I wasn’t lumping in all Trump voters, the same way it would be absurd to lump me in with all Hillary voters. MD, there are millions just like you, who have looked at these two candidates and decided they think Trump isn’t as bad as Hillary. And there are millions (I believe clearly a majority of voters) who have looked at these two candidates and decided the opposite. These are good faith views on both sides.

    Since we are talking about religion, I consider Trump to be the most godless politician imaginable. He is simply in a different category of evil from Hillary (who is still not acceptable). I only wish there was a third way, but there isn’t. If I really believe Trump to be what I believe him to be, of course I must vote against him.

    Consider how the GOP is ruined just from a few months led by Trump. Even the Team R partisans who are chess players should vote for Hillary.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  155. This Team R partisan is a junior master and I’ve decided not to vote at all. Watching you guys rip the party to shreds made me loose all interest. The Republic as originally founded is dead. What comes next with a kleptocracy is anybody’s guess. I imagine the level of corruption would make a Soviet bureaucrat blush.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  156. I am not sure how we differ in our evaluation of evil,
    I think Clinton,Obama, and the party of Moloch are quite evil, eagerly spouting lie after lie like their father. Full of deceit, suppressing the truth about God that is clearly seen in the things He has made.

    Trump is a vulgar, arrogant, fool who lives for self aggrandizement,
    but he attacks when he is slighted and for his own selfish gain,
    he doesn’t want to rid the earth of goodness like Obama, the Clintons, and the rest of left leadership and activists.

    Obviously those are my opinions based on observed evidence
    Trump will be terrible as long as he is in,
    The Dems try to inject their poisons for perpetuity

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  157. A vote for Trump moves the party and the nation further from, not closer to, the conservative principles I value. I say the bigger the margin of defeat, the better.

    And remember, it is much easier for the now greatly empowered executive to shrink government than to build it. Ted Cruz can do more good in the first four minutes of his upcoming term, than the harm Hillary will do in the next four years.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  158. I keep hearing about how all these Republicans vot3ed for Trump in the primaries. I wonder how many of them regret it now. Some of them must be disappointed in the man by now.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  159. Unlike Dustin, I have no intention of voting for Hillary. Nor Trump. Since the secretary of state does not see fit to post the names of the available write-in candidates, I’ll vote for the libertarian fool who is clearly the lesser evil.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  160. #155 Dustin,

    Many of us keep telling you that we’re not voting for Trump because he’s a Republican, we’re just voting for him because he’s not illary.
    I’m actually voting for the lesser of two evils — just as say you are doing.
    You just happen to believe illary is the lesser of two evils, and I happen to believe Trump is the lesser of two evils.

    As far as your suggestion that I prove to you that Dick Cheney, et al, are voting for Trump, I don’t know how to go about proving that. Dick Cheney’s word is good enough for little ol’ me, though. John Bolton’s, too!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  161. Kevin, I’ve given a lot of thought to voting for the fake libertarian guy. If he really were a principled libertarian it would be an easier choice. In fact it could have been the libertarian party’s breakthrough. Alas it’s another democrat-lite!

    It’s interesting you mention Trump’s primary voters having second thoughts. You would think there would be at least a few guys admitting they blew it and gave this thing to Hillary. Indeed things have happened just as many Cruz fans said they would and exactly the opposite of what Scott Adams and the Trump Defense Force said would happen.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  162. Cruz Supporter, it doesn’t really matter why you forgive Trump committing sexual assault and tolerating giving a cruel man so much power, but America does not agree and the GOP has lost a lot more than one election because there are quite a lot of partisans who have now proven the GOP nomination means nothing good.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  163. Condi Rice, one of my favorite republican leaders, responded to Trump calling her a bitch (out of the blue, apparently) with calling for him to step down. He is beneath the dignity of the nomination, she asserted. She is mistaken. There are plenty of Team R partisans who will tolerate Trump committing murder on 5th avenue. The proof is simple: the GOP didn’t dump the guy. If they did I would consider being part of the party in the future, but it is clearly the political opponent of all freedom loving, decent people..

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  164. Sell this: the party of Lincoln and Reagan has become the party of Trump.

    The Trump candidacy is the gift that will keep on giving. It will make a great running gag – for decades.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  165. I can understand people thinking differently,
    because I can’t prove that I am the one who is right.

    A Clinton presidency means
    continued political weaponization of the IRS, EPA, DOJ
    Whole sale finding of ways to neutralize FOIA and other accountability measures,
    Selective investigation by the FBI
    Continued decimation of military ability and
    Continued nonsense like the Iran deal
    Pen and phone
    Mas hente,mucho mas hente que hablan espanol y “votar”(????)
    Continued loss of freedom of speech, freedom of religion
    SCOTUS crazy liberal, striking down what states with conservative gov.s will do

    I’m not sure if Cruz or any R will have a chance to correct things.
    If you want to organize a Cruz write-in for every state that will go Dem and have Cruz votes match Trump,
    Go right ahead, good idea

    We may rue the day Trump becomes Pres,
    But we’ll weep in sackcloth and ashes if it is Clinton.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  166. Hillary’s behavior reminds me of adult-onset Tourette’s secondary to a fall or stroke.

    She’s just a nagging old bitch, DRJ.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  167. any further questions, why she wasn’t charged, and why he’s so partial to her,

    https://twitter.com/JudicialWatch/status/789155420195749889

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. petraeus began the vetting, then they put serious resources into the matter, 500 million!!

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/10/20/syrian-rebel-u-s-vetted-moderate-brigade-defects-to-rebranded-al-qaeda-affiliate/

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. The only born losers are the ones not voting Trump.
    mg (31009b) — 10/19/2016 @ 11:58 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDBCiZKZi_g

    You arrogant ass . . . you’ve killed US!

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  170. the captain tupolev move, it never gets old,

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. #164 Dustin, so because I’m voting for Trump for illary, you are saying I inherently “forgive” him for alleged sexual improprieties? I’m not quite following your logic.

    Do you subscribe to the paradigm, where, since you’re voting for illary, you “forgive her” for ignoring over 600 requests for beefed up security at Benghazi, the negligence which led to the deaths of Chris Stevens, Shawn Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty?
    Speaking of sexual improprieties (or assaults, even) illary actively tried to destroy Bill’s accusers. Should we assume you “forgive her” for doing so — just because you’re voting for her?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  172. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/20/2016 @ 1:30 pm

    The goddamn point is that illary is so reckless that she would actually reveal information publicly. Whether the info is technically accurate or not is beside the point.

    First of all, everybody does that.

    If nobody could say anything you could not discuss national security issues at all in public.

    Secondly, once something has been disclosed, it can be repeated. Although that was not Hillary Clinton’s attitude when she was Secrfetary of State: State Department people were forbidden to cite (or look at while at work) the Wikileaks postings of State Department diplomatiic cables (which went up to February, 2010)

    Reporters and everybody they talked to may have known something was in a cable, but people working for her were told: It’s still classified, and Wikileaks publishing something does not declassify it.

    But third, what she said was misleading – she was trying to paint Donald Trump as dangerous and for that purpose declared that ICBMs were on a 4-minute trigger. Maybe to launch, but somebody would have to reprogram in GPS locations to get to a 4-minute countdown.

    For Hillary Clinton, the question is not whether something is true, but whether people will beleive it – for some thing, yyou have to fool at least 65% of the people, at other time, 95% or 98%. But what 98% of the people may believe isn’t necessarily true. She may have some information that other people do not.

    I think this 4-minute notice was a fool 65% of the people lie.

    Donald Trump seems content to try to fool as little as 35% of the people.

    This is the same person you bent over backwards to defend over “technicalities” regarding her private email server. I don’t know what you are referring to, but I stress again, her secret e-mail address was a substiture for the unclassified state.gov system, not the classified one. I do think she was probably deliberately revealing secrets to Sidney Blumenthal and others – but by telephone and in person, not via e-mail. She knew better than to send secrets via e-mail.

    And I don’t think her server was unsecure. So far not one deleted e-mail has been made public. They never broke into her server.

    John Podesta’s GMail account was hacked becauysde he wass sent phishing e-mail taht contained alink to a Google log-in page…that was fake. This could not happened woith Hillary.

    1) It would been hard to create a plausible phishing message. She had few correspondents.

    2) Nobody knew what the log-in page to clintonemail.com looked like. In fact it may not have had a log in page. But she got logged in automatically when her Blackberry was pointed to the proper URL.

    3) She could not give away her password, because she probably didn’t know it. Nobody knew it. It was probably selected by machine and stored on a machine and a new user or password was personally authorized by the SysOP in New York.

    Her server was snot only secure aaginst hackers, including those sent by foreign governments. but it was also secure against subpoenas, whetehr from rosecutrs or a Congressional committee, Freedom of Information Act requests, Inspector Generals (not that there was one at the State Department so long as she was there), and any future commission of inquiry that might established by teh president.

    Just like this punk who currently occupies the Oval Office who announced months/years in advance when we would be withdrawing from Afghanistan.

    That’s not a security breach. That’s maybe bad policy.

    Loose lips sink ships. Say it again.

    They don’t. Not one ship during World War II was sunk by a loose lip as far as I know.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  173. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/20/2016 @ 5:28 pm

    ignoring over 600 requests for beefed up security at Benghazi,

    Here I think you have absorbed a false meme.

    The security requests were for all of Libya, not just, or primarily, Benghazi. Hillary didn’t see them and didn’t want to see thenm, and couldn’t have seen them, because just about nobody in teh state departmtment could communicate with Hillary. She had no e-mail address.

    the negligence which led to the deaths of Chris Stevens, Shawn Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty?
    </blockquote. It wasn't negligence, it was positive acts of commission. They involved people affiliated with terrorism in the security arrangements. Including the creation of a firetrap "safe room" And Stevens staying away from and never using the U.S. guarded annex in order to keep its location a secret.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  174. I forgive Trump for nothing.

    I also do not forgive the democrats for wholesale corruption and breaking security protocol so they could do their dirty deeds in secret

    The president,
    The SoS
    Many high in the state dept,
    People high in the military,
    The DOJ
    The FBI,
    all corrupt and either primary breaking of laws or conspiracy in obstruction of justice,
    and you want me to agree that building on that is not as bad as suffering the fool?

    Trump will have no one covering or apologizing for him anymore,
    Clinton will continue the road to tyranny with cover by the MSM and a feckless GOP still at each others throats.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  175. The Helena didn’t go down easy. She went down fighting. And one of her skipper’s fondest memories, I don’t believe of her final battle, was of the crew not even looking over their shoulders at the fireworks going on behind them. Because it was their job, their duty, as the watch standers on the
    unengaged side, to be on the lookout for unidentified threats. There was no need to look. As someone who has stood duty below the waterline, thank God for such men.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  176. The crew on the engaged side was firing.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  177. I forgive Trump nothing, Doc. But the same goes for me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  178. Information like this doesn’t rate a concern from the new M00nbat Dusty…

    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/788795273975738368

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  179. it’s odd how a full destabilization effort like this, doesn’t merit coverage, then again nicole davey probably had foval on speed dial,

    http://watchdog.org/279478/liberal-scott-foval-wisconsin/

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. Wikileaks says they have a Big Gift for the elfin Tim Kaine and Donna Brazile tomorrow.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  181. Trump would have a lot of support. We saw it with the post-primary nomination process. In Washington, there would be jackals leeching off his power as President to enrich and advance themselves. Others submitting just to survive. In the villes and burgs, there will still be those who say, “Hillary would have been worse.”

    Herods, Pilates, and Caiaphases.

    nk (dbc370)

  182. that’s why they are shoving kris knives in his back, the jackals have been having a great repast these last eight years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. Yes, the jackals are always there and they have no ideals and no loyalties, only appetites and opportunism. And they would still be there for Trump just as they are for Obama and will be for Hillary. And the loyalists — the ordinary people — will have their backs because they’re on the same side if for different reasons.

    nk (dbc370)

  184. It’s just ain’t so that Trump ain’t gwine to have no support.

    nk (dbc370)

  185. the people will support if he follows through on his promises, w didn’t promise to be a budget cutter or immigration hawk, but a ‘compassionate conservative’

    narciso (d1f714)

  186. What promises did Tiberius, Caligula and Nero follow up on? The “people” in a position to oppose him or impeach him are the ones we’re talking about. And they will look for which side their bread is buttered on.

    nk (dbc370)

  187. 185. That’s coming down pretty harsh on lawyers… “jackals”… wow…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  188. Speaking of Dubya, he’s as popular as the Cubs in Chicago right now. There are as many cars sporting window flags with a blue W as there are with Cubs flags.

    nk (dbc370)


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