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10/16/2016

Vote Down Ballot

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:32 pm



Longtime and valued commenter SarahW said recently that her biggest concern in this election is keeping Hillary Clinton from having unchecked power. I said I agree — and therefore assert that voting for Republicans for Congress is the most important priority for limited government types. Jonah Goldberg agrees, and expresses his view colorfully:

Many of the same people who said that we have to unify the party to beat Hillary Clinton now say that dumping Trump — the only possible way to defeat her (and that’s extremely unlikely to work) — would be treasonous and were the first to scream that Trump voters should screw the down-ballot candidates because Paul Ryan said he wouldn’t defend Trump anymore. If you honestly want to limit the damage Hillary Clinton will do to this country, the one and only obvious thing you should be doing is voting to keep the Republicans in control of Congress. If you think the GOP won’t fight Hillary hard enough, fine. But do you think a Democrat-controlled Congress will fight her at all?

I feel like Charlton Heston screaming at the Statue of Liberty on the beach. You people blew it all up. You embraced a man who has no serious allegiance to the ideals you got rich peddling and who had a vanishingly small chance of winning in the first place — even if he had been the disciplined candidate he deceitfully vowed he would be. Trump is now an albatross on the party and he will leave a Cheeto-colored stain on both the GOP and the conservative movement for years to come.

If you want to limit the damage you’ve caused to the party, vote for Republicans down ballot.

You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!

Anyway, take it from an ex-GOP guy: vote GOP down ballot. Trump is going to lose. But the down ballot stuff matters. A lot.

188 Responses to “Vote Down Ballot”

  1. Boom. Roasted. As Michael Scott would say.

    Patterico (862eba)

  2. Supporting Trump would work too.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  3. you’re right except for Mr. Trump’s gonna beat that pig for you and me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Lance is a jerk. Not a fan. We will see if he gets my vote again.

    NJRob (54a663)

  5. “OCTOBER 16, 2016
    QUOTE OF THE DAY:

    I’ll vote for Mr. Trump—grimly. But there is no alternative, no shadow of a responsible alternative.

    Mr. Trump’s candidacy is a message from the voters. He is the empty gin bottle they have chosen to toss through the window. The message begins with the fact that voters hear what the leaders and pundits don’t: the profound contempt for America and Americans that Mrs. Clinton and President Obama share and their frightening lack of emotional connection to this nation and its people.

    —David Gelernter on Trump and the Emasculated Voter — There’s only one way to protect the nation from Hillary Clinton, and that is to vote for Donald Trump.”

    Read the whole thing… https://www.google.com/search?q=Trump+and+the+Emasculated+Voter+Gelernter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. wow

    did not expect such perspicacity and love of country from Mr. Gelernter

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. #WithHerandoanknowit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. Haiku, lying like there’s no tomorrow… still.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  9. when my hacks said no to Trump we melted the plastic signs. Fry uni-party republicans-fry. No need to vote, other for Trump.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Indiana is a perfect illustration of how this republic has fallen. What once was a bastion of conservative principles has devolved into a confused mass of willfully ignorant citizens.

    We are about to elect a Democrat carpetbagger who was as responsible as anyone for the passage of Obamacare, and fled any accountability while enriching himself as a lobbyist for a firm which, get this, fought to repeal it! He literally had not spent more than aeek, total, at his Indiana residence in the past 7 years. He’s been caught in lying about it (the media actually did a little work!) and the voters refuse to see.

    The state has a surplus of approx. $1.5 billion, from a deficit when Daniels took office after years of Democrat leadership. Pence has been a demon about fiscal sanity. He trailed in all polls before he joined the Trump ticket.

    My favorite irony is that the Democrat Gregg is hammering us about the need to quit “teaching to the test.” Pence and the GOP have heroically rejected the standard national testing which has resulted in universal teaching to irrelevant knowledge. He has felt the wrath of the education mafia for daring to reject their phony methods. Indiana is buying Gregg’s pablum hook, line, and basketball rim.

    Hoosier conservatives had a golden chance to slow the Trump fiasco. Instead, they doubled down, clinching DJT’s nomination.

    We will now give the Democrats the Senate and a governorship. There’s no saving us from such ignorance and stupidity when a place like this, enjoying record economic stability, consciously chooses to be statist.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  11. There’s only one way to protect the nation from Hillary Clinton, and that is to vote for Donald Trump.

    Or, to put it shorter,

    There’s no way to protect the nation from Hillary Clinton.

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  12. Down ballot voting is for puddy cats

    mg (31009b)

  13. The money line:

    If you think the GOP won’t fight Hillary hard enough, fine. But do you think a Democrat-controlled Congress will fight her at all?

    We saw what happened when Barack Hussein Obama had a Democrat-controlled Congress for two years: Obysmalcare, the cockamamie stimulus program, and spending so profligate that it made George Bush look parsimonious. President Obama has gotten away with too much via executive orders, and it doesn’t look like that will be changed, but a Republican-controlled Congress can prevent, will prevent a repeat of 2009-2010.

    The Republican Dana (1b79fa)

  14. The last republican that told the truth and acted with authority was R.R.
    Screw these bastiges. I’m all done.

    mg (31009b)

  15. actually bayh fils is in a spot of trouble, todd young seems a decent factotum, btw there will no rapture before tribulation, in case you were wondering,

    having been maimed by the unabomber, gives someone a certain acuity,

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. Ed, it’s Indiana, in all seriousness enjoy your Glen Poshards. We across the Wabash River chose Ryan over Poshard and never recovered due to hoit feewings switching from D to R in ’98

    urbanleftbehind (caf224)

  17. desantis is solid, rubio is tolerable, so is the local sheriff, after that it’s a flip of the coin,

    http://www.vaskal.ca/podestafiles

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. Fry uni-party republicans-fry. No need to vote, other for Trump.

    So you’re expecting Trump to accomplish great things without the cooperation of Congress?

    I hope you never complained about Obama’s tendency to bypass Congress — because that would make you a rank hypocrite. And certainly you’re anything but that — right, Trumpkin?

    Patterico (862eba)

  19. If you believe the republicans will hold Congress if Trump loses I have a bridge to sell you. If the left, the media, the entertainment industry and the #neverTrumpers succeed, millions of people will stay home and not vote Republican and the down ballot will loose. Mark my words.

    End result: democrat/socialist president, democrat/socialist/communist congress and a democrat/ socialist supreme court. Congratulations, you voted your conscience. Thanks a million.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  20. being a trumpkin is so good

    it’s a feeling so good you wanna share it with the whole whirl

    plus also oreo churros, which you cannot do up in the microwave you need conventional heating

    I hope you understand this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. Hoagie, I thought you were better than that.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  22. blame the gorillas, the chimps were conscientous objectors, I forgot where the orangutans stood,

    in los angeles, I imagine the signs of intelligent life are slim, as in ‘fear the walking dead;

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. #Churchgoinelectionblowin

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. you asked ulb, where h1b’s stand as priorities,

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/narendra-modi-mothership-of-terrorism-pakistan-brics-goa

    I do want to make a correction, sy hersh was the one who said ellsberg was planning to leak the siop to the russians,

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. That’s a third Orange County.

    urbanleftbehind (caf224)

  26. #ActionsHaveConsequences

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. So, Haiku, you’re anti-Christian, too? Good to know.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  28. there was attendant humor in carlos slims bringing up misogyny,

    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3419/Remember-What-They-Did-To-Us-All.aspx

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. No, I’m not, just anti-your variety, Hitchcock. Apparently.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. #InactionAlsoHasConsequences

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. “If you honestly want to limit the damage Hillary Clinton will do to this country, the one and only obvious thing you should be doing is voting to keep the Republicans in control of Congress.”

    No. The one and only thing you should be doing is supporting the party’s nominee for President. Down ballot, vote for what’s best for your own localities.

    I feel like Charlton Heston screaming at the Statue of Liberty on the beach.

    Yet you look like the Staypuff Marshmellow Man. Go figure. Poor Jonah. He doesn’t realize the modern conservative movement is being purged from the party. Born, 1964, buried, 2016.

    “…right now, short of a Confederate miracle, you’re going to be walking in a parade with both your legs cut off.” – Senator Ray Clark [Edmond O’Brien] ‘Seven Days In May’ – 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Yeah, they could all be drafted back into the Indian Army if sheist hit multiple fans.

    urbanleftbehind (caf224)

  33. blame the mutants with the cobalt bomb, so simon pure candidates got the treatment, diana west points out, and if you think that is ancient history, need we remind you of mrs bank’s twitter rampage,

    erickson, and deace were fond of the ahab metaphor with trump,

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. the problem is an indian/pakistan war would go to defcon fairly quick, this is why the isi pursued acquisition in afghanistan and kashmir,

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. so raise your hand who has a sane congressman representing them, I’m guessing sarahw, since she’s around the richmond area, but the pickings are slim,

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. @37. the problem is an indian/pakistan war would go to defcon fairly quick, this is why the isi pursued acquisition in afghanistan and kashmir

    To curry favor.

    “Bloody wogs!!” – ‘Lawrence of Arabia, 1962

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. the number of failmericans what have a congressman representing them is vanishingly small

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. 22.Hoagie, I thought you were better than that.
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/16/2016 @ 3:34 pm

    Steve57, I have given you my reason for what I said. I believe telling people not to vote Trump has the effect of getting many not to vote at all. If the democrats out vote us they will take the congress etc. You disagree? Let’s see what happens. I hope I’m wrong but we all know I’m right. If I decide not to vote for Trump I’m not voting at all. Why bother? I will not be alone. Hell, who cares who is on the politburo if Stalin is the premier?

    BTW, that’s insulting. You thought I was better than what? Voting for what I believe? Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean you’re “better” than I. I will do ANYTHING in my power to stop what I believe to be a corrupt commie from becoming president. Apparently you draw the line at voting for Trump.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  39. I’m in favor of voting R down the ballot, and plan to.

    That said, Goldberg seems to be making it his business to get this backward.

    R’s are in trouble with their base and have been since 2004. This is how we got Trump. The whole hang back-endorse-renounce-reendorse cycle that Republican office seekers have been engaging in with regard to Trump lately is not, I imagine, inspiring confidence in the base.

    But gradual retreat allowing time for something else to change, is far better than total capitulation to Hillary. I don’t think they’ll be terrifically effective opposition, judging by the last ten years, but better than full-throated affirmation.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  40. he’s an imperfect instrument, haven’t I conceded the point, but who is more likely to vote, the ones who are blanc mange about their choice, or the fervent ones,

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. Hoagie @41, no insult intended. But I thought you were capable of understanding that even If I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Trump it wouldn’t stop me from going to the polls and voting for anti-Hitlery Congresscritters. How much good that would do, I don’t know. But I could do it.

    I still think you are capable of understanding that, even in this season of dysfunction and hatred.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  42. I am happy as can be with no republicans in office, these stooges had their chance and messed up a wet dream. The republican party has did nothing for me or my family, except lie. Go ahead be a poster boy for the new constitution. lmmfao.

    mg (31009b)

  43. that seems a little rash, even though emmer may not be all he’s cracked up to be, who else has a sane member of the leg,

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. Probably Ryan’s peeps hoping Trump was inside.

    mg (31009b)

  45. A duel would be the best way to decide this election.

    mg (31009b)

  46. Per Wiki: Hillary’s leaked emails reveal that her campaign expressed disappointment that the San Bernadino shooter was a Muslim instead of a white guy.

    And yet, most of you people are supporting Hillary for President.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves. And deported.

    Deuce Frehley (8afd8b)

  47. It is truly remarkable that taking the position that we should “vote our conscience” is taken as a reason for us to form a circular firing squad and lay waste to everything in sight.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  48. Rev H
    Whether Trump wins or not, we need a GOP Congress. Even more so if she wins than if he wins.

    You may not be able to keep her out of the WH, but you can at least vote for a Congress that won’t make life east for you.

    Of course, if all the YesTrumpers don’t vote for GOP candidates because they are establishment candidates, we will have a Democratic congress.

    Kishnevi (413847)

  49. @BobStewartatHome, you and me both, bro.

    Yours in the new treason, Steve57.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  50. Republicans deserve whiganosis.

    mg (31009b)

  51. east for you =. easy for her.
    Sorry for the attack of cerebral flatulence.

    Kishnevi (413847)

  52. well take your district, kish, debbie downer is never defeated, they put up the fraud murphy to take down colonel west

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. east for you =. easy for her.
    Sorry for the attack of cerebral flatulence.

    Kishnevi (413847) — 10/16/2016 @ 5:28 pm

    Hey, tis the season. Why should you be immune?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  54. And yet, most of you people are supporting Hillary for President.

    No, we’re just not supporting Trump. I have no intention of voting for Hillary.

    What is it about the Trumpers that they cannot understand that many of us oppose both Trump and Hillary?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  55. so chuck who is your default rep, who will do the gandalf stance,

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Recognizing your enemies early, keeps one healthy later. The grifter biotch and her army of republican lawyers will never kill my fight for freedom.

    mg (31009b)

  57. And Chuck, the ironic part is that I’m pretty sure some of these folks were the ones who refused to vote for Romney or McCain because they weren’t “conservative enough.”

    Given how Trump has acted throughout this campaign, don’t we all wish Romney or McCain had run.

    Cue the spewing nonsense to follow in 3, 2, 1….

    Simon Jester (cabd97)

  58. ex- GOP my ass. I bet if i knew you life’s history i bet your roots come from a liberal background.

    Aram Hagopian (0f363a)

  59. the chicago tribune outlines the problem, the jonestown crew were more reflective,

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. BTW, Gloria Allred has announced she will be lawyering for a Trump denouncer.

    Kishnevi (413847)

  61. Aram, you’d be betting wrong. But the lying Leftist Democrat conman Donald Trump is a Leftist.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  62. @ Aram Hagopian (0f363a) — 10/16/2016 @ 5:40 pm, once more but his time in English, por favor.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  63. Years worth of research right on this site, but the lazy Aram would rather declare someone who won’t vote for a Leftist conman comes from a Leftist background instead of doing that research.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  64. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBPubpz0hgg

    #95 THE EPIC TRUMP DEBATE! Gavin McInnes and Andrew Klavan | Louder With Crowder

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  65. like many businessman sadly on both coasts, and not a few in the interior, need one remind that romney tried to repudiate reagan in the 94 gubernatorial contest, but that didn’t work, in the narrative play, epix the outfit that aired the perky katie’s latest slam against gun owners, has a new series with nick nolte, about a repentant former republican president who tries to remedy the damage his policies wrought on america,

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. And Chuck, the ironic part is that I’m pretty sure some of these folks were the ones who refused to vote for Romney or McCain because they weren’t “conservative enough.”

    Amen, Simon. And what’s really sad is that I intend to vote Republican down-ticket, and I’m called all kinds of names for that. But happyfeet isn’t going to vote at all, and none of the Trumpers take him to task, just because hf sings Trump’s praises.

    so chuck who is your default rep, who will do the gandalf stance,

    Mark Amodei. He’s a Republican. And I plan to vote for Joe Heck to take Harry Reid’s seat in the Senate.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  67. yes, and you’re jumping at every lefty squirrel, that pops up, as if the dog trainer and carlos slims, had not emptied their trick bag, years before,

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. Some of those squirrels come from Trump himself. He’s the one who said he barged into the dressing room of teenaged girls. Or do you not believe him at his word?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  69. What a nightmare, Chuck. I wonder if this is how some Democrats felt when McGovern was the Democrat nominee?

    On the other hand, McGovern was an awfully brave man of character (given his WWII experiences). I cannot say the same for Mr. Trump.

    I wonder how the Bernie folks feel…but fortunately for Team D, Trump cannot keep from saying really stupid stuff. This reinforces the folks who would prefer not to vote for HRC to do so.

    Why, it’s almost as if Trump planned to lose! Honestly, what would he be doing differently if he was taking a dive?

    Simon Jester (cabd97)

  70. and prince sihanouk was a great sax player, didn’t excuse him bringing the khmer rouge under his umbrella,

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. honorable men, yes I have come to see that like mark anthony said it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. John Hitchcock, Trump’s probably more apolitical than a “leftist” as you assert.
    I think he’s just an opportunist entrepreneur who probably threw in with whomever occupied the corridors of power at the time.
    And in NYC, if you want to grease the wheels, you’re gonna have to grease lefties.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  73. Archery season for mule deer and whitetails opened on October 1st in Tejas. And yet, I’m dealing with this s**t.

    It didn’t used to be this way. In my lifetime.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  74. Other than rip the party apart, just what in hell has team republican accomplished in the last 16 years?

    mg (31009b)

  75. crickets

    mg (31009b)

  76. I believe it to be more probable Trump was baited into the run in roughly the same manner by which he was led to believe Atlantic City casinos were a ‘can’t lose’ proposition. It would be quite easy to gin up modeling showing the ease with which a rather large heretofore non-voting sector could provide numbers sufficient enough to guarantee victory. The fact the non-voting sector was being ignored because it contains too many itinerants who will never register, let alone vote, received a gloss in the model.

    Trump proved himself a sucker in Atlantic City by proceeding despite clear warning signs. He is proving to be a sucker in politics due to very deep ignorance coupled with a deep streak of narcissism. He wouldn’t be doing much differently if he were a plant but who in the world would have the power and be dumb enough to trust him enough to employ him for such a purpose? His current cornered rat defense isn’t exactly a surprise.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  77. there was a time seemingly a long time ago, when jonah possesed certain insight, but seems to have forgotten it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. is that really it, or they’ve been burned out, by a political system that has betrayed them,

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8771

    jonah showed a little selfawareness, here, referring to the money that career politicos have raised,

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. the implosion is coming in the kingdom as surely as it did in brazil

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/world/rise-of-saudi-prince-shatters-decades-of-royal-tradition.html?_r=0

    in brazil, it was the bullets and beans caucus,

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. There is no down ballot. There is only the future of the country as ordered by the Executive, the guy who commands the military. Trump will want a second term if elected. Going against conservatives who elected him is not gonna happen for Scotus nominees or anything else. To completely switch sides after elected won’t work for him because that would be a declaration of war against those who elected him.

    Look, if Trump does these crazy lib things that the Patterico/Beck crowd claims he will do, I’ll vote to acquit his assassin if I’m on the jury if it comes, but it’s absurd and will never come to that.

    Jcurtis (105e7e)

  81. Hillary was counting on the maniacs to blow it up. It was her path to power. Now they want to blow more of it up. I’m beginning to think that those billions in the Clinton Slush Fund Foundation are being spent hiring “conservative leaders” to promote Trump and Trumpism.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  82. #78 Steve57,

    Get used to spelling it, “T-e-x-a-c-h-u-s-e-t-t-s.”
    That’s what it’ll become after the next 4 or 8 years of eroded federalism.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  83. Listen to these maniacs going on about what “Trump will do when he’s elected” as if the Congress doesn’t matter. And as if he’ll be elected.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  84. Patrick, I don’t know about PV, but where I live only the state and city issues matter. The closest I come to a real choice is the Senate race.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  85. we know where the clinton foundation resources went into red queen’s pocket, so nigeria, haiti could be looted, russia would have a free hand in the caucasus, etc,

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. #19: mg isn’t a Trumpkin, he’s a bunker-dweller. He wants it all to go up in flames so they can’t come and bother him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  87. all the institutions are being burnt down to the foundation, have you been paying attention,

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. the churches, the police, the military, the family, that is what fundamental transformation is about,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. One of two things will happen after this election loss:

    1. The Trumpists will go back to whatever woodpile the came out of, or
    2. The GOP will split.

    But it is clear that there are two totally incompatible groups here: The Republicans and the Know-Nothings. They cannot be in the same party.

    The GOP would be far better off, right this moment, if they had tossed Trump off the stage last August and he was running a third party campaign. Because a real GOP candidate on stage with those two bozos would be such a great contrast it would be embarrassing.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  90. The knots you nevertrumpers tie yourselves into!

    I’ll wager for years before the last primary all you guys were cursing the Republican Congress for doing nothing to stop Obama. Now, after months of discouraging anyone for voting for Trump, you tell us we must vote for Republicans in congress to stop Hillary.

    It would be funny if it weren’t so sad how you delude yourselves. You assert Trump is no better than Hillary, yet you spend all day everyday yelling how bad Trump is, with just an occasional “Hillary is too” thrown in. It’s become glaringly obvious you all want to punish Trump supporters for nominating him, and so validate your prediction Trump could never win, by doing everything you can to make sure Trump doesn’t win. You go on endlessly how your vote is yours, you can do with it as you wish, you are voting your conscience, but then you have no respect for the rest of us that feel the same way but voted for a different candidate. You are doing all you can to invalidate the republican candidate that won the most delegates, and the voters that selected them.

    I can guarantee you, the people voting for Trump will be voting against the democrats down ticket too. What is ironic is all the people you have convinced Trump doesn’t deserve their vote will be the ones staying home, and not voting at all.

    Then of course you will blame the Trump supporters, that DID vote, for losing, even though it is YOU that discouraged republicans from voting.

    LBascom (b16cf9)

  91. you do realize that the American party was part of the gop from the beginning right,

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. I recommend Vince Flynn’s “Term Limits” as catharsis for this election.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  93. the ergot they are passing around is strong, the progressives want a party like the modern tories who are ashamed of the union jack,

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. you do realize that the American party was part of the gop from the beginning right

    ??

    If you are talking about Wallace’s American Independent Party, then no.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  95. the know nothings that millard fillmore ran as a candidate in 1856, if memory serves,

    narciso (d1f714)

  96. Then of course you will blame the Trump supporters, that DID vote, for losing, even though it is YOU that discouraged republicans from voting.

    I will blame the people who put this gun at my head, not the gun.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  97. so who is your rep one of the fabulous sanchez sisters, or even more encouraging folks,

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. now trump’s cohort are properly ‘middle american radicals’ which continetti failed to name check earlier on, which moved under nixon and became part of the reagan coalition,

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. You don’t have a gun to your head, you have a clear choice between a pro-American candidate and a anti-American candidate
    Everything else is horsesh!t.

    LBascom (b16cf9)

  100. Who is Jonah Goldberg talking to? Not to me, not to most #nevertrumpers, and not to most pro-Trumpers who support Trump either because he’s the R or because they can’t stand Hillary. If the NRO got a better brand of Chardonnay for its wine and cheese mixers, it might find itself hearing from more than the four people down the hall, is what I think.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. I tend to look at political in a lateral axis, the gop, the gaullists, and the tories , along with the christian democrats seem to be facing the same centrifugal forces,

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. Here in Silicon Valley, the only down-ballot race with a Republican on the ballot is State Senator. All the others, it’s two Democrats.
    Hello, one-party state!

    Eric Wilner (3936fd)

  103. Well, as long as we’re airing our dirty laundry, the boats in McHale’s Navy weren’t actually PT boats.

    http://www.totalnavy.com/72AirForceRescueBoat.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_TQyBn5aI

    McHale’s Navy Opening Theme

    Not like it matters, as with most things, anymore.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  104. another fwiw
    https://21stcenturywisdom.com/

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  105. I would never have guessed but they shot above the bow line,

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. I’m in R-Randy Hultgren’s half circle like district by a sliver but he’s more of a far West Chicago suburban (where they say Illinois “Ell-inois”) guy than the North Shore squishes i dealt with 2 doghouses ago. I’ll just vote for him. I’m actually letting my Senate choice decide my pres pick, not quite 100 between Kirk or Duckworth. The opposite party gets my presidential vote.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  107. That is actually very good, Kishnevi. Thank you. And I notice that they call small arm magazines “clips”. Bite it, gun-grammar nazis!

    nk (dbc370)

  108. Don’t thank me, thank Tam.
    http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com

    Kishnevi (413847)

  109. projection is the name of the game,

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/787547558423900160

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. well you know the drill

    https://sharylattkisson.com/newsgate-2016/

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. Little good it did him, but I give him an A for effort, but Dallas and Baron Rouge dictated that the R standard bearer not go full Bulworth.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  112. ah cilizza amuses, (even though he’s journolist)

    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/787829077482713088

    narciso (d1f714)

  113. Good luck, il Dottore.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  114. All of sudden, according to Francis, the Swiss Guard is for gay marriage. Who knew?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  115. no entiendo (I don’t understand) it’s like we’re in the flashpoint universe,

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. or perhaps minor tweeks as in the legend universe, where damien darkh is on the prowl in the 40s,
    having einstein’s wife build him a bomb,

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. no entiendo (I don’t understand) …

    narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2016 @ 8:42 pm

    Thanks for the voxsplaining.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  118. the context explains, how did he get through seminary, misunderstanding much of christian theolog/y

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. a too-prolonged duel by two masters of the temporal fugue which causes the wind the wind of time to sweep away all that is, was, and will be into a constellation of might have been and then sweep that away too

    nk (dbc370)

  120. is that more zelazny, I liked more down to earth science fiction,

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. Creatures of Light and Darkness. I am an aichmophile, with a special penchant for knives, which is why my favorite futuristic writer is Jack Vance — most of his sci-fi books have knives as well as starships in them.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. The end justifies the means is a Jesuit as well as a Machiavellian tenet, and it can also be found in the Caiaphas of the Gospel of John. I am guilty of it as well. It makes little difference to me if Trump is beaten by truth or lies, any more than it makes any difference to me that O.J. is in the pokey for trying to recover his stolen property in Gangsterburg before greasing the cops first and not for the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. If you believe the republicans will hold Congress if Trump loses I have a bridge to sell you. If the left, the media, the entertainment industry and the #neverTrumpers succeed, millions of people will stay home and not vote Republican and the down ballot will loose. Mark my words.

    The GOP held the House in 2012 despite Obama coasting to reelection. The GOP actually picked up Senate seats in 1996 despite Clinton coasting to reelection. Why does it then follow that GOP Congressmen will be doomed if the party’s Presidential candidate gets beaten?

    JVW (6e49ce)

  124. Hillary is just as worried about depressed turnout from the back and forth vitriol. Or claims to be, anyway, but I think she is sincere. People came out to vote for Obama because they liked him. Nobody really likes her.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. Caiphas is a nasty fellow whether in the burnett miniseries, or the risen film, pilate comes up as an overworked imperial bureaucrat in both, who didn’t want to ruffle feathers if needs must,

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. The GOP held the House in 2012 despite Obama coasting to reelection. The GOP actually picked up Senate seats in 1996 despite Clinton coasting to reelection. Why does it then follow that GOP Congressmen will be doomed if the party’s Presidential candidate gets beaten?

    Precisely.

    I take it (and I mean this sincerely) that Hoagie opposes the plan of some Trumpers (take mg here, for example, who says “No need to vote, other for Trump”) or Ace of Spades (who encourages people to vote against Paul Ryan).

    RIght? I think I’m right — but it would be nice to hear it out loud. It really would.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  127. We need some pushback against these damned Trumpers who (like Trump) don’t care if the GOP holds Congress.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  128. Pilate is viewed much the same way in The Master And Margarita, with Caiaphas attempting to use Jesus to discredit him or, failing that, demoralize him, as part of a campaign of resistance against the Roman occupation generally and Pilate in particular.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. I think these Trumpers SHOULD send lots and lots of money to Ryan’s opponent. He’s in a GOP majority district and won the GOP primary (with Trumpist opposition) 85-15. How they expect to beat him in the general is beyond me.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  130. the know nothings that millard fillmore ran as a candidate in 1856, if memory serves,

    Another election with terrible results.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  131. You don’t have a gun to your head, you have a clear choice between a pro-American candidate and a anti-American candidate

    You mean the one who said that W was behind 9-11?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  132. paul ryan’s a bought-and-paid-for chambermaid what is ensconced in an indecently intimate relationship with pervy Mitt Romney

    principles?

    spendy spendy paul, he does not has

    i say this more in sadness than in anger

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. push back -bring it on constitutionalists.
    lmmfao at your love for clinton republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  134. clinton republicans agree with bombing Trump and his people.
    Try it in my face you low life bastiges.

    mg (31009b)

  135. If I’ve learned anything over the last 8 years, it’s that the ballot doesn’t mean anything anymore.

    Donald (bd230b)

  136. I plan to vote selectively for TEA candidates, not many.

    The Feds next move reverse Twist has already been launched(charts):

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/10/16/steeper%20curves.jpg

    More downward pressure on the Market.

    DNF (755a85)

  137. Hillary Clinton thinks that women should vote for her because she has a vagina; Donald Trump treats women as though they were nothing but vaginas.

    The disgusted Dana (f6a568)

  138. Mr. Trump respects women a lot this is why he’s gonna do so many good policies on them for example the policy where women are a lot respected

    stinkypig on the other hand degrades and devalues women especially rape victims

    advantage: Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. JVW wrote:

    The GOP held the House in 2012 despite Obama coasting to reelection. The GOP actually picked up Senate seats in 1996 despite Clinton coasting to reelection. Why does it then follow that GOP Congressmen will be doomed if the party’s Presidential candidate gets beaten?

    The problem arises due to Donald Trump being such a disgusting human being that too many Republican voters might just stay home. I am seriously concerned that we could see a presidential-election-sized turnout for the Democrats and an off-year-election-sized turnout by Republicans, and that could cost us the House, which ought not to be in jeopardy.

    I have voted for every Republican presidential candidate since 1980, despite having little enthusiasm for some of them — Bob Dole in 1996, John McCain in 2008 — but I cannot force myself to vote for Mr Trump, that’s how bad he is.

    The Dana planning to vote Libertarian (f6a568)

  140. Mr Feet wrote:

    Mr. Trump respects women a lot this is why he’s gonna do so many good policies on them for example the policy where women are a lot respected

    Yeah, you can just tell how much he respects women when he brags about grabbing women by their genitals.

    The Dana who ain't no feminist (f6a568)

  141. it’s not like they have handles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. Mr Frehley wrote:

    Per Wiki: Hillary’s leaked emails reveal that her campaign expressed disappointment that the San Bernadino shooter was a Muslim instead of a white guy.

    And yet, most of you people are supporting Hillary for President.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves. And deported.

    No, most of us are not supporting Mrs Clinton for President; I will be voting for Gary Johnson. In Pennsylvania, that won’t matter at all in the outcome, because Mr Clinton will carry the Keystone State by a wide margin.

    Deported? I’m a natural born American citizen, the son and grandson of natural born American citizens; my maternal ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower. I’m as American as one gets, and way too proud of my country to vote for a dirtbag like Donald Trump.

    The Dana who will vote for Gary Johnson (f6a568)

  143. Mr. Trump is so not a dirtbag he’s refreshingly American, true blue American.

    He’s got a lot of insight into how America got so sucky and stupid and what to do to make it great again.

    stinkypig on the other hand is just another ivy league trashcan what is only out for herself and her pig-friends

    Mr. Trump!

    American.

    True blue.

    Nice man.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  144. David D. Begley: Why I voted for Trump

    Trump’s signature issue is illegal immigration and two stories from the campaign trail illustrate why I think he should be elected.

    The first time I saw Trump was in blue collar Sioux City, Iowa. I had a long conversation with “Janet Jackson.” Janet told me how she was the only American citizen working the production line of a local meatpacking plant and that she had to pester human resources for months for the job. All of her co-workers were illegal aliens. She needed the job to pay for her family’s health insurance premiums. She also told me how she met her husband in the 70’s when she was then driving her new convertible. I doubt she could afford a new car today as all wages have been flat for years.

    The plant where she worked was raided by ICE. When it was re-opened the same illegal aliens returned to work (according to her) but with new names and Social Security numbers, albeit at lower wages.

    Janet had no ill will towards her co-workers but she knew deep down that illegal aliens suppress all wages and deprived her fellow citizen neighbors of jobs. She was enthusiastic for Trump because he was her voice that had been unheard in DC for decades.

    The other illegal immigration story relevant here happened in Omaha and not more than ten miles from where I write this. Sarah Root of Iowa had just graduated from college with a perfect 4.0 grade point average when she was hit and killed by a drunk illegal alien in Omaha.

    Sarah Root is everyone’s daughter or sister. Burn that into your brain. And the tragic fact is that her death never should have happened. That’s because the Obama Administration refuses to enforce the law and the illegal alien should have been returned home to Honduras when he was first caught in Arizona in 2013 by the Border Patrol.

    I know how the Left works. They assert that people die all the time in car accidents. “It was an isolated incident!” Wrong. The legal concept of proximate cause overrides this fallacy. But for the Obama Administration’s open borders policy, Sarah Root – and hundreds more like her – would be alive today. In other words, the open borders policy has inflicted a crime wave upon America that we should not have had to suffer.

    Trump will stop the open borders policy. He will restore the Rule of Law in this country. I have long been of the belief that if America doesn’t have the Rule of Law, then we have nothing. That’s a big part of what the Founders gave us and we better keep it or we lose our country.
    .
    .
    .
    Finally, my main concern is that Hillary Clinton will be immune from conviction upon impeachment regardless of what crimes might later come to light. She will become America’s unaccountable Queen. The media, of course, will cover for the historic first woman President who happens to be the spouse of the last impeached President. Given the corruption we have seen, I doubt there is any evidence that would persuade a Democrat Senator to vote to remove her from office. And Hillary knows this and she will act in a lawless and unaccountable fashion. It will be four years of law breaking, drama, conflict, stagnation and angst. Fires on all fronts in foreign affairs while our enemies try to exploit her weakness. We can avoid this.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  145. Well, Mr. Feet seems very, very concerned about “pervy” this and “stinky” that, and even makes jokes about grabbing women by the genitals.

    (No, not a misogynist at all).

    Seems like projection to me.

    It’s one thing to say that voting for Trump (whoops—HF doesn’t vote) is better than the alternative: preferring one dumpster fire over another. It’s one thing to say that Trump represents—despite his counterproductive actions (and let me repeat and emphasize this: Trump chooses to act like a jackwagon in ways that damage his chances, over and over again)—a repudiation of PC culture.

    But to champion Mr. Trump as being fabulous? Sheesh.

    My favorite part is when Mr. Feet calls anyone at all “weird.”

    I’m just saying.

    Simon Jester (cabd97)

  146. my favorite part is oreo churros

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  147. I am seriously concerned that we could see a presidential-election-sized turnout for the Democrats and an off-year-election-sized turnout by Republicans, and that could cost us the House, which ought not to be in jeopardy.

    That’s what I’ve been saying for months, Dana, and all I get is being told by neverTrupers they thought I was better than that. Dissuading Republican voters from voting is exactly what neverTrumpers are doing. They are beating up the top of their own ticket which will have a trickle down effect on the rest.

    To put it bluntly I, like a lot of Republicans will either go to the polls and pull one lever or I won’t go at all. That’s just the way it is. And at this point I’m so sick and tired of hearing supposed Republicans b!tch about Trump when a phukin commie is running I frankly am starting to believe you all deserve Killary, a democrat congress, three more Ginsburg’s and a corrupt government bureaucracy.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  148. Voters, both Republican and Democrat, like their local Congresscritter better than they like (snort) their (yeah,right) Presidential (like Moe, Larry or Curly) nominee. (With the possible exception of Arizona, where they might like Trump better than McCain. Sunstroke, you know?) And it’s going to be the local organizations bringing out the voters, one knock on a door at a time.

    nk (dbc370)

  149. HF, you could follow that up with “Cub Fan, Bud Man” as it applied to the late great Harry Caray, but your guy only likes winners and would possibly die if he drank a Budweiser.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  150. Clinton Leads by Just Four Points

    Donald Trump has lost little support since the first presidential debate, despite days of damaging news stories about his treatment of women, according to a new poll.

    Hillary Clinton leads Trump 47 percent to 43 percent among likely voters in a four-way race, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post national poll.

    I am 90% certain that if Trump loses it will be the NeverTrumps that are the difference. Most NeverTrumps keep claiming that he’s headed for such a decisive loss that their vote doesn’t matter anyway. Not only are they likely wrong, but they’re allowing themselves to be manipulated by the very same liberal media which they (the conservative NeverTrumps at least) normally claim to hold in low esteem.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  151. Gerald, I am 100% certain that if Trump loses, it will be because of his repeated pattern of foolish and counterproductive actions.

    Simon Jester (cabd97)

  152. 159.Voters, both Republican and Democrat, like their local Congresscritter better than they like (snort) their (yeah,right) Presidential (like Moe, Larry or Curly) nominee.

    Maybe they do nk, but this is supposed to be a presidential election and if you take the “president” out you’re left with an off-year turn out.

    I imagine when Killary wins you guys will blame the people who voted for Trump? That’s your logic. Who will you blame when the dems win the down ballot due to lack of Republican turn out, the media? You’ve spent six months telling Republicans they’re disgusting, immoral thugs if they vote for Trump (but you don’t support Hillary, wink, wink) so when they don’t turn out to vote you’ll need to look for a quick scapegoat. I blame George Bush.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  153. I am 90% certain that if Trump loses it will be the NeverTrumps that are the difference.

    Perhaps, Gerald A, but if the Republicans loose the down ballots it is 100% the fault of the neverTrumpers for turning the electorate apathetic.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  154. Nope, not me. I’ll blame the losers for being losers. Starting with the biggest loser of all, Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  155. Gerald, I am 100% certain that if Trump loses, it will be because of his repeated pattern of foolish and counterproductive actions.

    Simon Jester (cabd97) — 10/17/2016 @ 6:58 am

    It’s not an either/or situation. Just like Romney losing was not either his mistakes in going passive or the smear campaign against him.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  156. mr. donald the trump should try to be a person whom people like and don’t want to smear

    just try

    people appreciate effort

    they would have liked him just for trying

    but he all like in your face losers

    that turns people off you know

    it’s clear if you do the analysis

    nk (dbc370)

  157. he *be* all

    nk (dbc370)

  158. 165.Nope, not me. I’ll blame the losers for being losers. Starting with the biggest loser of all, Trump.

    That makes no sense. Unless your name is Pontius Pilot. You encourage people not to vote for him then when he loses it’s his fault? I bet if you campaigned for him and he won you’d take a bow for your efforts though.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  159. Poor Hillary Kapernick is going to get beat 45-10.

    And booed all the way.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  160. It’s not my fault that he is not fit to be President. I don’t eat at Wendy’s, either. Is it my fault if I consider it too unhygienic?

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Are you all in therapy like the Carlos slim focus group.

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. There is no great influx of Latino registrants, fancy that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  163. The crux of the problem:

    http://www.peekinthewell.net/blog/what-i-notice-about-nevertrump/

    It is all someone else’s fault.

    DNF (755a85)

  164. 164. There is no going home again. The schism is bronzed.

    DNF (755a85)

  165. 162. Certainty is only a feeling, like ennui.

    DNF (755a85)

  166. ah yes, he was a favorite, back in the wilderness years, oddly misogyny wasn’t a concern back then, unlike the sjw infestation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. 159. Nonsense.

    DNF (755a85)

  168. 156. Talk to the hand.

    DNF (755a85)

  169. 161. I live in a predominantly Donk community.

    There are absolutely no Clinton/Kaine signs anywhere.

    DNF (755a85)

  170. you know gary, ahab was more even tempered, than their focus on the bespoked whale,

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. 181. Indeed, they manifest the human condition: Reason is but conviction’s biatch.

    They’ve lost that battle and make do with moral posturing. Quintessential decadence.

    DNF (755a85)

  172. Nixon won 49 states in 1972. With a 23% margin of victory in the popular vote. 23%! more! than the second place winner.
    “His” Senate was 56 Democrats, 42 Republicans, 2 flakes.
    “His” House was 241 Democrats, 192 Republicans, 5 vacant.
    M’kay?

    nk (dbc370)

  173. Mr A noted that “Hillary Clinton leads Trump 47 percent to 43 percent among likely voters in a four-way race, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post national poll.” But in the WSJ/NBC poll, taken the same three days, Mrs Clinton leads 48% to 37% to 7%. Both polls would have to be at the extent of their claimed margins of error, the former overestimating Mr Trump’s support and the latter undercounting it, for them both to have had acceptable sampling and counting methodologies.

    The professional pollsters haven’t had a good record recently of getting these things right, dramatically underestimating the Republican surge in 2014, underestimating the British and Israeli elections, and completely missing the Brexit outcome. One notable point: the professional pollsters errors have all been leftward errors.

    The statistician Dana (f6a568)

  174. the democratic advantage was 14% on an 11% spread, monmouth was more of the same,

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. fwiw, he will probably be excommunicated for the heresy,

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441126/donald-trump-conservatives-should-vote-president

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. @ Gerald A, #161:

    I am 90% certain that if Trump loses it will be the NeverTrumps that are the difference.

    I am 100% certain that you were unable to produce reliable numbers on that, and poorly interpreted the ones you did produce…and then ignored everything I said when I called you on it.

    Most NeverTrumps keep claiming that he’s headed for such a decisive loss that their vote doesn’t matter anyway.

    I have claimed that Trump is going to win my state, and so my vote doesn’t matter. I have also observed that Trump himself has said he doesn’t need us to win. And while we’re on the subject, let me just say that I’ve really appreciated the outreach from his supporters. Never did I dream that there were so many variations on the theme of “Eff you, you cucky cuckersons, our guy won. So stop your snobby elitist virtue-signaling and vote for him like good little cucks, or you’ll be responsible for President Cankles.”

    Not only are they likely wrong, but they’re allowing themselves to be manipulated by the very same liberal media which they (the conservative NeverTrumps at least) normally claim to hold in low esteem.

    Assumes facts not in evidence. How am I being manipulated by the media? I promise you, I’ve been NeverTrump for over a year now…since before there was a hashtag for it…and that decision was reached solely by listening to the man speak and then doing some basic research on him.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  177. @ Dana, #184:

    One notable point: the professional pollsters errors have all been leftward errors.

    Not true. In 2012, the aggregate errors favored Romney.

    Demosthenes (09f714)


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