Paul Ryan: I Will No Longer Defend Or Campaign With Trump — But Vote Trump!
The speculation over whether Paul Ryan will throw Donald Trump overboard is (temporarily) over. Ryan will not rescind his endorsement — “for now.” But he also has said he will no longer defend Trump. CNN:
House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party’s hold on Congress.
“The speaker is going to spend the next month focused entirely on protecting our congressional majorities,” Ryan’s spokeswoman, AshLee Strong, said in a statement.
In a conference call with members Monday morning, Ryan told lawmakers, “you all need to do what’s best for you and your district,” according to someone who listened to the meeting.
However, The Hill reports that Ryan is not taking back his endorsement:
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Monday told rank-and-file Republicans that he will not defend or campaign with Donald Trump going forward, though he is not rescinding his endorsement of the embattled GOP nominee, according to sources on a conference call.
The orange fool, by the way, is none too happy:
Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2016
Ah, it must be nice for Trump to be back in his natural element: attacking Republicans.
But while the Trumpmeister doesn’t think he needs to worry about Congress, Paul Ryan does. And Paul Ryan has a lot to worry about.
With the revelation of the NBC/WSJ poll showing Hillary up by 11 points nationally, Trump looks like he’s toast — and wasting any more political capital on him must look to Ryan like throwing good money/time/resources after bad. Meanwhile, that same poll shows Americans preferring Democrats to Republicans for Congress — 49 to 42 percent (!!!). That’s a very worrying number. With the prospect of the House majority looking like it’s facing an execution date, Paul Ryan’s mind must be concentrated wonderfully.
And, as Allahpundit notes at Hot Air, Hillary is trying to hang Trump around Ryan’s (and by extension, the House’s) neck:
Ryan is still endorsing Trump. https://t.co/L30EZvUbm0
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 10, 2016
Ryan is right. Let the reality show idiot fend for himself. If Hillary Clinton wins and also has both houses of Congress, the havoc she can unleash is beyond calculation.
[Cross-posted at RedState.]
Well, if there was ever a time to break an official Tea Party out of the GOP, it would be now. Not sure what will be standing of the GOP in two years. Trump’s destruction has been fairly complete.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:23 pmAs for Ryan, too little, too late. He had terrible judgement to allow this train wreck to proceed rather than try to stop it in June and July with an open convention. When leadership was needed, he hid. Romney stepped up and if Ryan and several others had stood with him this clusterdunce might not have been nominated. Don’t care who else was. Even the piteous Jeb! would have had a chance against the terrible Hillary.
But no, Ryan hid. Now he mostly hides again. I hear the RNC has reiterated their support for Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:28 pmTrump needs to remember this loyalty when he gains power, and pay it back 10-fold.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:41 pmSo, up until now, Ryan has been out there vigorously defending Trump. That’s what necessitated this announcement. So people would know that they could no longer count on Ryan to have Trump’s back.
Sure, that sound like an intelligent reading of the situation.
/sarc
Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:44 pmIt’s apparent from last night’s debate either Trump was trying to appeal to the ignorant people who think one politician in Congress can accomplish great things all by her or himself, or he’s actually clueless enough to believe that.
It’s hard to know which is the case.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:47 pmRyan’s losing points with me on this
happyfeet (43b345) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:48 pm@Patterico:With the revelation of the NBC/WSJ poll showing Hillary up by 11 points nationally, Trump looks like he’s toast
Leaving out this bit:The poll, conducted on Saturday and Sunday but before the second presidential debate.. If there’s one thing we’ve learned in this race is that there are ups and downs every day. Remember when you wrote this:
I’m starting to think it’s gonna be Trump.
We all agreed, at the media’s behest, to just forget about Hillary’s health problems, and the media would like to pretend last night’s debate didn’t happen, but I don’t feel obligated to go along.
Ah, it must be nice for Trump to be back in his natural element: attacking Republicans.
So of balancing the budget, opposing illegal immigration, and jobs, which of these do you oppose? Trump is attacking Ryan from the right here.
Americans preferring Democrats to Republicans for Congress — 49 to 42 percent
In a parliamentary system this would be worrying, but since Congressmen are elected by district it’s a bit misleading to cite this one number.
Patterico, you used to be more critical a consumer of news than this.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:49 pmVote Trump, it’s the moral choice.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:50 pmIdeology is out. Pragmatism is in.
Hungry to save the House, let the SCOTUS burn.
“Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.” Peter Clemenza [Richard S. Castellano] “The Godfather,” 1974
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:58 pmThe whole Republican party is imploding. They get a mandate for change and what do they do but attack those elected. They attack and isolate the Tea Party candidates. They say they are out of touch and that morality isn’t the issue, the economy and security is. Okay… so then they get a candidate that isn’t concerned with morality and talks what they want and they hate him, but not as much as some other candidates who have angered them for doing what the people elected them to do. They hate the candidate that is chosen because… he lacks the morals they didn’t want in the first place. Really? Is character good or bad? It’s hard to tell with the see-sawing going on in the party leadership. So they jump ship now? Excuse me, is Trump any different than he was a year ago? Not one smidgen. Those who are abandoning him for “self-preservation” are just making themselves look more like the idiots they are. While I was very disappointed by Ted Cruz’s endorsement of Trump I do give him kudos for not backing away. He has made it clear that Trump’s morality, ethics and character is lacking but his reasons for supporting him stay the same. None were issues of character. I honestly think he didn’t want to support Trump but felt that Hillary would be a worse choice and if he could prevent a Hillary win he would. It wasn’t an endorsement as much as a non-endorsement of the opponent. Ryan has shown no backbone in Congress and he is showing no backbone in this situation. In my book just let it all implode. Only problem is the Democrats won’t implode alongside them.
Marce (560198) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:01 pmSCOTUS burned the day Trump was nominated. The Trumpists, like dinosaurs of old, just didn’t know it until the information reached the brain in their ass.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:02 pmHoly crap, Mr. Feet: you have been insulting Ryan for months.
Clown nose on, clown nose off.
I feel sorry for these guys and gals.
The bought into the whole “support Team R no matter what” nonsense, and learned what that could mean.
It’s better just to own your decisions.
In other news that makes sense…
“I hate DSCA more than mimes,” – Bobcat Goldthwait in “Shakes the Clown,” 1991.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:02 pmPaulina Ryan rides a girls bike.
mg (31009b) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:03 pmMarce–
The people who are abandoning him now hated him the whole time, but managed to hold their nose. Just just can’t do it any more as the stench has become overpowering. This is particularly sad as if they had been down with #nevertrump from the beginning, we could have avoided this trainwreck. Maybe found a different one, fine, but not this particular one that will still stink long after it wrecks.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:05 pmGrrrr. hit post….
Marce (560198) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:06 pmDespite the implosion and Ryan looking the fool I think the RNC needs to do all they can to hold Congress. I’m just not sure dumping Trump is going to do it. Go one way or another and stick with it.
Again, Hillary Clinton made it abundantly clear just last night who and what she wanted on the Supreme Court. And Kev’s okay with that. Check out the big brain on Kev.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:07 pmKevin – I’m one of those people that just can’t believe people didn’t see the man’s character in the beginning or if they did see it could justify holding their noses. I was never a #nevertrump but a #nomoralderilicts.
Marce (560198) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:08 pmMuch good will to Simon for the Shakes reference!
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:08 pmGood to see you, Mr. Smithee,
I have a serious question,
especially for those not encumbered by/with white privilege:
What is one’s take home message from the Duke lacrosse mess?
How many people think that the main thing is that it was an example of white privilege and racism and an unfortunate and mostly innocent African American woman was vilely mistreated by both a bunch of white racist evil people and by the system that is supposed to protect people like her?
Somebody I generally respect voiced this opinion, even while acknowledging the prosecutorial misconduct.
Thank you for your replies.
Ryan would not defend Cruz, he will not defend Trump, I don’t think he will defend anyone who is a real threat to the political class.
MD in Philly (735443) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:17 pmI think Marce makes quite reasonable points,
MD in Philly (735443) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:20 pmPrager would agree, fwiw. And character matters to him,
Leftists matter more
It’s apparent today that many commenters were sorely disappointed that Trump performed better than Clinton at last night’s debate. #They’reWithHer
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:25 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:23 pm
Wouldn’t Doald trump be the nominee of the Tea Party?
Well, maybe the Tea Party can split in two, and one half be pro-Trump and the other half be anti-Trump. I think the anti-Trump half might be smaller. Of course, Trump could change the distribution.
It is not Trump who might be the cause of splitting the GOP.
It’s Senator Jeff Sessions, only he’s a little too smart to actually break away.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:29 pmI think it is possible that the more vicious it gets, the more focused Trump will be at hitting Clinton’s vulnerabilities.
MD in Philly (735443) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:31 pmNot that I prefer it that way,
but the humbling of the arrogant is never pretty,
which Trump would be wise to remember himself.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:47 pm
I think he was counting on the fact that Hillary Clinton would not try to disabuse anybody of that idea, and she didn’t. She uses it herself, and so do many candidates for Congress.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:31 pmNeither of you are morally fit to lick his shoe-soles.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:34 pmif you can’t trust an R to help you not get pigged on what good are they
seriously
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:35 pmthey just drink your liquor and eat all your gummi bears
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:35 pm@12-Clown nose on, clown nose off.
A jester’s gesture. Day in, day out.
“I always thought that you were a cold, unimaginative, tight-lipped officer. But you’re really quite emotional, aren’t you…” – Major Reisman [Lee Marvin] ‘The Dirty Dozen’ 1967
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:42 pmWe’ll soon read and hear of other obnoxious things Trump has said over the years and witness the same feigned outrage from the same, sad Democrats who do their damnedest to continue the coarsening of the culture, promote aberrant behaviors, irresponsible lifestyles and a general lack of personal accountability. In addition, the actions of many of their leaders have been extremely detrimental to America’s place in the world.
#They’reWithHer
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:42 pmAnd, as Allahpundit notes at Hot Air, Hillary is trying to hang Trump around Ryan’s (and by extension, the House’s) neck
yes yes with that puissant twatter the pig’s pretty much guaranteed we all hang together
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:55 pm(Metaphorically)Dead, Dead Donald T
Well the Midtown of Manhattan
Is an ostentatious dump
If your wife go there she better just beware
Of a guy called Donald Trump
Now Donald love to fondle
You see he stand over six foot one
All the Midtown ladies call him big hand lover
All the guys just call him Don
And he’s dead, dead Donald T
Deadest guy in Humanity
Deader than old James Caan
Deader than Avalon
Now Donald he’s a baller
And he likes his women right
And he like to wave his money clip
In everybody’s sight
He got a custom helicopter
He got an elevator too
He got a big slush fund on Bimini Island
He saves money with his Jews
And he’s dead, dead Donald T
Deadest guy in Humanity
Deader than Kurt Cobain
Deader than Saddam Hussein
Now Friday eleven years ago
Donald’s shootin’ sh*t
Gettin’ off the bus
Was a girl called Zucker
And he almost grabbed her p*ss
Well he started popping Tic Tacs and
Donald Trump would learn
’bout running ‘gainst the wife of a Clinton man
And he’s dead, dead Donald T
Deadest guy in Humanity
Deader than all smallpox
Deader than The Desert Fox
The nevertrumpers took to twitter
And when we counted up the cost
Donald looked like a Mah Jong Table
With a couple of pieces lost
And he’s dead, dead Donald T
Deader than even Hannity
Deader than the Neutron Bomb
Deader than Miss Saigon
Yes he’s a deader than old James Caan
Deader than Avalon
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:55 pm@26.if you can’t trust an R to help you not get pigged on what good are they … seriously
A feet of strength: Trump/Pence 2016: the horn dog and the corn dog.
“Mmmmmm. Pigs in a blanket.” – Homer Simpson ‘The Simpsons’ Fox TV
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:56 pmnicely done both of yous
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:57 pmSo, you going after the ADL, JDL, or B’nai B’rith … Israel … Patterico?
Or are only white people (perhaps other gentiles) not allowed to organize for their interests? Do Jews get special privileges to do this in your mind?
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:08 pmI don’t think I accept the premise of the initial post: that the Republicans in Congress will do better if they distance themselves from Trump. They might just pi** off enough Trump voters to lose their own elections.
David Pittelli (0a4463) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:11 pmI think the idea of attacking Hillary Clinton this way came from other people around him, but Donald Trump has to know it is wrong, because he lobbied and testified before Congress himself, so he has some idea of how it works.
One problem with Hillary saying that she was only Senator could have been Donald Trump saying, maybe, that she was very close to the presdient of the United states for 8 years – and a tax law change was passed early in his administration – and in all time she was in public life, the idea of eliminating some of these duductions was never broached by her or just about anybody.
Now I’ll tell what the rwal, real problem could be with Donald Trump’s tax loss. A lot of that business loss was loss on borrowed money, and maybe some from other investors where he got a greater share of the partnership or company than the percentage of the amount of money he’d invested.
He deducted a loss – and the bank also deducted the same loss and when the bank deducted it and forgave the loan, it was not charged as income to him.
So he deducted money he never had.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/07/us/elections/donald-trump-tax-advantages-deductions-losses.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
If you don’t count the forgiven loans as income, it comes out that he deducted losses that he never had!
Now Donald Trump’s defense would be: Now, wait, that wasn’t done just for him. And it may have been done for some of Hillary’s friends. He’s also pretending here he was a political enemy of Hillary Clinton before about 2011 (because it was mainly before 2011 hat she could have proosed eliminating that tax provision.)
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:12 pmnevertrump is steering Trump away from The White House towards Shanksville, PA.
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:13 pmIn the debate Donald Trump also attacked Hillary Clinton for promising to improve the economy of Upstate New York – several times. She never rssponded with ‘There was no way I could do that!” Or even no way that anyone knew that the president and Congress could do that. (actually they could, by encouraging ending from smaller banks)
Donald Trump also accused Hillary Clinton of being in part – did he even really comcede in part? – responsible for Obama’s failed “red line” in Syria. I knew that happened in 2013. And Hillary Clinton said, “I was gone”
Then Donald trump acdused her of still giving advice to Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton did not want to say she was NOT giving advice or that she differed from President Obama so people had to realize by themselves how ridiculous an assertion this was.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:15 pmI think #NeverTrump actually would like to land the plane, not minimize the damage from the crash.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:16 pmI wouldn’t gloat patterico. Ryan is all about the amnesty.
jb (bc8f40) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:18 pmThe main problem with the #nevertrumpers is they haven’t landed a plane since 1984.
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:21 pmthe idea that a sleazy amoral douche like paul ryan
a slicked-up romney boytoy who’s done so much to do slather a putrid, monstrous and unpayable debt all up in the futures of every luckless misbegotten failmerican boy and girl
the idea that he stands on some kind of moral high ground as opposed to Mr. Trump
it’s sillier than the pope, that’s what that idea is
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:24 pmRyan – the quintessential RINO. Any sign of controversy or resistance, they scatter like flies; Weak, spineless cowards that will be purged when Trump takes office.
PaddyO' (a8d76a) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:25 pmI don’t think he will defend anyone who is a real threat to the political class.
Bingo. I don’t know how the election will turn out. I’m certainly amused at the Democrat outrage at Trump’s language while rappers with “lyrics” about rape and killing judges get feted at the White House. Even while they are wearing ankle monitors.
I’m sure the Hillary team is searching for a racial comment from Trump and, if they have one, it will be out the Friday before the next debate. I hope Conway has a couple from the Hillary side. She did very well this weekend.
I hope sanity returns after the election.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:25 pm37.nevertrump is steering Trump away from The White House towards Shanksville, PA.
More likely Trump Tower.
“Why don’t we just shoot them down and be through with it?” – Rancho Conejo radio controller [Jesse White], ‘It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World’ 1963
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:27 pmIt’s a barbed wire fence that you’re straddling, Mr. Ryan. You had your chance at the convention, now take your comeuppance like a man.
I realize now that when I said “If the best the GOP can come up with for a nominee is Trump, it should die”, I was only stating the natural course of events. Like “If the GOP shoots itself through the head, it should die”. Because that’s what happened.
nk (dbc370) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:40 pmI was watching Training Day last night. I bet that’s how #nevertrump sees Mike Pence’s first day on the campaign.
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:53 pmwhere did u find it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:54 pmFlight 93 was actually headed toward the Capitol building, not the White House, but at first thet thought, oh, of course the target is the White House.
But the attackers were more used to a Parliamentary system, and, to them, the more important building was the U.S. Capitol. I think you see that depicted, as a symbol of the United states, more than White House.Everyone has an idea what it looks like. But you have to look at the back of a $20 bill (at least until the redesign hits) to see what the Whote House looks like.
So anyway, you could say that Paul Ryan is trying to avoid having the Trump plane crash into the Capitol so to speak. But it really is not impossible for things to work out and nobody bad become president. I don’t think the latest idea – trying to get Trump to say he will resignright after being inagurated will work.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 6:50 pmIn a conference call with members Monday morning, Ryan told lawmakers, “you all need to do what’s best for you and your district,” according to someone who listened to the meeting.
Saving Ryan’s privates is so FUBAR.
“I looked up “fubar” in the German dictionary and there’s no fubar in here.” – Corporal Upham, [Jeremy Davies] ‘Saving Private Ryan’ 1998
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 6:50 pmSammy
Trump took that deduction a long time ago.
The IRS may have disallowed it, but we don’t know because we just have a snapshot of one moment in time.
I’m still of the opinion that a deduction of nearly a billion would have triggered an immediate audit.
If Trump was guilty of a misstatement of fact, then he’d have had his deduction wiped out and penalties imposed instead… or he would have been charged with tax evasion.
I find it hard to believe that the high level people Trump can hire would have tried to take two bites of the apple… everyone knows that is when the IRS pounces.
Sammy, you may be right, but I doubt it. Once the IRS files a case, it is public information. You’d have judges, court, settlements all on the record. Instead *crickets* that is all you need to know that whatever went down 20 years ago for a billion was not criminal.
I linked to a story about a billionaire who cheated and got caught… over a measly $24M (that penalties, interest etc turned into $57M) the IRS has no problem going after billionaires and if Trump was on the wrong side of the law, we’d see it by now
steveg (5508fb) — 10/10/2016 @ 7:59 pmAgain, Hillary Clinton made it abundantly clear just last night who and what she wanted on the Supreme Court. And Kev’s okay with that. Check out the big brain on Kev.
Colonel, with all due respect,
1) Eff you.
2) You obviously cannot read. I have no love for these rats who did not stand up when it counted.
If Ryan and McConnell and the Bushes and etc had all told Priebus and the RNC that they were wrong and the Convention had to be open or they’d break the party in half like Romney wanted to do, then we would not have this complete fuckwad candidate or the KKK-type supporters all over the place that the GOP is going to spend DECADES living down.
But no, they played along, figuring they could control him, guide him, that the relationship would get better based on God-knows-what. Fairy dust, I guess. And it got worse. Much worse. Now the rats are leaving the ship, thinking it will save them. It won’t. They’re all bodies in the train wreck.
The Supreme Court? You really think a couple seats on the Supreme Court are comparable to the damage Trump has done? How stupid can you be?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:50 pmOh, by the way, you are another one of the rats that didn’t stand up with it counted. To your credit you are staying on the ship.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:51 pmsteveg (5508fb) — 10/10/2016 @ 7:59 pm
it was actually a grand total of a lot of deductions, and probably carried over from a previous year, at least 1994. Mblockquote> The IRS may have disallowed it, but we don’t know because we just have a snapshot of one moment in time. Yes, we don’t know what the final figure might have been, after an audit. This is actually a copy of what was submitted to the IRS. The state tax returns could have been later amended. If tghey were no longer what was filed, they might have been kept in a different place.
Trump has been getting audited every year, and was probably audited then, but what would trigger it is simply declaring a huge amount of income. At least non-adjusted.
The two bites out of the apple, was him deducting it, and the bank deducting some of the same money too, without him having to add back the amount of the bank’s deduction to his income. But it was legal.
In fact, black letter law. It’s right there in the New York Times.
“Mr. Trump — like his fellow real estate developers — did not get all he sought. But in 1993, Congress made two significant changes. One allowed real estate investors with highly leveraged properties to accept forgiveness of their bank loans without paying taxes on the money, in exchange for giving up other tax benefits….”
– article by Nicholas Confessore on page A14 of the Friday, October 7, 2016, New York Times.
No criminality, unless maybe somebody bribed members of Congress to enact this provision.
It wasn’t criminal, or not held to be. But the Democrats, after all, aren’t alleging anything criminal. Just indefensible.
If it was highly technical, maybe not.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:53 pmWouldn’t Donald trump be the nominee of the Tea Party?
Found someone stupider. The Tea party was about limited government. Trump is about big government. So no.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:55 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:52 pm
It would have been the wrong idea.
What they needed was not an open conventio but a rules change requiring more than a simple majority to win the nomination. Something around 60% to 62%. This would also tend to ensure that the substitute nominee wouldn’t also be bad.
Another alternative would have been some state parties seceding from the national GOP and putting up somebody better, and more popular, than Trump. I suggested even different candidates in different states, so they’d be competing with each other for third place, and that competition would encourage people to vote third party.
But we know they all stood around like deers in the headlights.
Now some people want to turn the Electoral College into what the Convention might have been. Both Gary Johnson and Evan McCullim are going after Electors. But for this to mean anything, Hillary Clinton has to get less than 270 Electoral votes.
Anyway, any intention tovote for somebody other than Trump needs to be told to the voters before November 8, or before any significant early or absentee voting took place.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 9:03 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:55 pm
The Tea Party isn;t about limited ggovernment, or even limiting the federal debt.
It’s a mad-as-hell type of thing, has had many kinds of people join in, who are attracted by many various “conservative” ideas, and is mostly just anti-RINO.
Now the official Tea Party maybe didn’t like Trump, but the real Tea Party was split.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-teaparty-idUSKCN0WH133
The Atlantic, in fact, thought maybe the Tea Party made Trump:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/did-the-tea-party-create-donald-trump/482004/
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 9:11 pmSammy, please don’t quote the MSM about the TEAs. Clearly you weren’t there and neither was Roland Hedley.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 9:37 pmThe actual Tea Party movement of 2010 was in support of the GOP Congress which UNANIMOUSLY opposed Obamacare. It elected people like Senator Brown of MA, who was about as liberal Republican as ever there was, but who opposed Obamacare. It’s biggest mass rally — 1 million strong — coincided with the passage of Obamacare.
LATER, fragments of the disintegrating movement were co-opted by all kinds of opportunists, but it was about smaller government and personal freedom at the beginning. Small-l libertarian.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 9:47 pmSammy
He could go all DB Cooper and parachute out of the plane with the money.
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:03 pmMr Rat, I have a writ here says you’re to stop eating Chin Lee’s cornmeal forthwith. Now, it’s a rat writ, writ for a rat, and this is lawful service of same– John Wayne ‘True Grit’
Pinandpuller (b040c7) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:08 pmI agree with Ryan 100%.
Trump’s 11-year-old talk with Billy Bush was disgusting, and he has rightly apologized. But the ex-president on whose record Hillary Clinton is running has said and done a lot worse with respect to women. The media sat on this video throughout the presidential primaries because they wanted Trump to be the GOP nominee. I supported other candidates in the primaries, and only supported Trump when they withdrew. As the lesser of two evils, Trump is the better choice, by far. Call him a clown, an idiot, et cetera, but he would be a vastly better president than Clinton. Ted Cruz is right about that, and I hope Cruz supporters will realize that fact before they prove a very old rule: divided we fall.
Hillary Clinton just said on national television that she wants to be “in charge of the law in our country”. She clearly means it. Wake up people.
Andrew Hyman (207d6f) — 10/11/2016 @ 6:25 amAndrew Hyman (207d6f) — 10/11/2016 @ 6:25 am
And Bill Clinton signed and lobbied for the 1993 tax bill, which may have saved Donald Trump an enormous amount of taxes, and maybe his business career.
Of course Bill Clinton is not the candidate this time, so it is hard to make the connection. They asked him when he stopped doing or talking that way and he wouldn’t say. It’s probably when he stopped being aguest on he Howard Stern show.
Possibly a worse problem for Donald Trump is his tweeting, and his tendency to denigrate anyone who criticizes him on morality grounds. When he does that, he picks up anything that comes to hand – it doesn’t even have to be fair, or true. And he won’t let go of the immigration issue, where he’s not in the majority.
Access Hollywood did, and NBC, but it might have been only recently that any people other than the people who helped produce that show in 2005 (who might have remembered this outtake) would have known that.
They didn’t go looking for things till after the convention and even more so, after Alicia Machado was brought up by the Clinton campaign at the time of the first debate.
Then it was: What can we find that Donald Trump said about women on our shows – did he call them names, did he speak negatively of them or in a demeaning manner – what do we have, what is on tape? And if we find something, let’s do a story. In the meantime, somebody gave a tape to the Washington Post and scooped NBC.
Sammy Finkelman (0cf810) — 10/11/2016 @ 8:04 amTo be clear:
They asked Donald Trump he stopped doing or talking that way and he wouldn’t say. Also #54
This is actually a copy of what was submitted to the state tax departemts, which was identical to what was initially submitted to the IRS. Yes, we don’t know if it was substantially different after an audit.
Sammy Finkelman (0cf810) — 10/11/2016 @ 8:08 amAs far as I can tell right now, Billy Bush told NBC execs about the tape in August. And Bush appears proud of having done so: “A call to the Today anchor’s work phone reveals that his voicemail says: ‘You’ve reached Billy Bush’s office, he’s busy making America great again, please leave a message.'” The reason for Bush’s timing remains uncertain, but that timing has certainly helped the Democrats by letting Trump skate to the GOP nomination without this tape being public until so late.
Andrew Hyman (82b921) — 10/11/2016 @ 9:25 ampeople are acting like this tape is some kinda huge big deal
happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/11/2016 @ 9:26 amI fully intend to vote for Trump, warts and all. The alternative is what it is.
Andrew Hyman (82b921) — 10/11/2016 @ 9:26 amI’m just disappointed in everyone.
SarahW (3164f0) — 10/11/2016 @ 9:42 amI’m not sure why that’s coming up here, but since you asked: I haven’t thought much about the actual details of that case past the larger themes of presumption of guilt of white frat boys by the people who administrate and teach at Duke, but all you need to know about the character of Crystal Gail Mangum is what she eventually did afterward.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 10/12/2016 @ 3:41 pm