NBC/WSJ Poll: Hillary Up by 11 Points
Is the GOP even going to keep the House?
As Donald Trump’s campaign reels over tapes of the presidential candidate’s sexually aggressive comments about women in 2005, the Republican nominee now trails Hillary Clinton by double digits among likely voters, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
The poll, conducted on Saturday and Sunday but before the second presidential debate, shows Clinton with 46 percent support among likely voters in a four-way matchup, compared to 35 percent for Trump.
Bad enough. But here’s the kicker, which threatens the House and Senate:
As Republicans grapple with how to hold on to control of the House and Senate despite the Trump campaign’s woes, Democrats overall now have a seven-point advantage on the question of which party voters want to see in control of Congress.
Forty-nine percent of voters say they’d like to see Democrats in power on Capitol Hill, compared to 42 percent who chose the GOP.
That’s up from a three-point advantage for Democrats (48 percent to 45 percent) last month, and it’s the largest advantage for Democrats since the October 2009 government shutdown.
This is an unmitigated disaster, and Never Trumpers have nothing to do with it. This is on Donald Trump and the people who selected him.
Heckuva job, GOP and GOP primary voters. You couldn’t possibly have screwed this up any worse.
P.S. My post at RedState about the Rasmussen and YouGov polls (Hillary +7 and Hillary +6, respectively) is here. But the NBC/WSJ poll makes those two look like good news.
Just awful.
Patterico (bcf524) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:38 amI still can’t figure out why so many people said we should nominate someone who is actually electable.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:41 amThe important thing is the importance of the military.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:44 am*loyalty of
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:45 amBut it’s all the #NeverTrumpers’ fault that Trump has mucked things up so badly.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:51 amThis is an unmitigated disaster, and Never Trumpers have nothing to do with it.
Except they do.
You back the party’s duly elected nominee.
You don’t stab him in the back.
“Sound the general alarm! Sound the general alarm!” – Captain Morton [Jame Cagney] “Mister Roberts” [1955]
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:51 amDear Trumpies:
Every crappy thing that happens to you, your beliefs, your rights, your finances, and America in the next 20 years will happen because you voted for Donald Trump.
Don’t blame anyone else for your actions.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:52 amYou don’t stab him in the back.
We didn’t. We stood there with the knife and said: if you nominate this assh0le, we will stab you in the eye with this knife. You didn’t listen.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:54 amAnd I don’t think this is the bottom.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:57 amTrump is being hoisted by his own petard. Nothing the #NeverTrumpers have done comes close to the degree to which Trump sabotaged his own campaign.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 10:59 amInterviews: 500 Registered Voters, including 225 respondents with a cell phone only and , 22 respondents reached on a cell phone but who also have a landline.
Date: October 8-9 2016
Likely voters defined as voted in 2012, 2014, or 18 to 24 year olds who express a five or above on a scale of 1-10 how interested they are in the current election
47 males
53 females
47 percent dem – 36 percent gop
Another wish casting beat up b y pub lic enemy media
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:01 amI wouldn’t worry about polls this far out. Unless you’re trying to lull the pig into complacency.
But she’s hardly campaigning as it is.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:01 am@8. We didn’t.
Oui. You did.
And if he wins, he’ll remember.
“He’s making a list; And checking it twice; He’s gonna find out who’s naughty and nice…” – Gene Autry ‘Santa Claus Is Coming To Town,’ 1953
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:03 amIn 2 weeks the polls will be neck and neck.
You know this and I know this. Why bother making a big deal out of NBC’s post?
NJRob (a07d2e) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:04 amShe’s hardly campaigning but her operation is working hard and sophisticated.
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Papertiger, didn’t you post several online polls in previous threads when they favored Trump? Now you’re rejecting a scientific poll? Would you reject it if it showed Trump was so far ahead?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:07 am@10- “…hoisted by his own petard.”
Locker room talk? Mon dieu.
“Poussez… poussez.” – Sergeant Possum [Lee Marvin] “The Big Red One” – 1980
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:12 amThe GOP “conservatives” who did poorly in the primaries would have done poorly in the general election.
DN (21cace) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:12 amLook, a big political party is a collection of compromises among various wings. When selecting a candidate it is important that most, if not all, of these wings be able to accept the candidate. When a candidate is UNACCEPTABLE to a large part of the party (in this case about a third by all accounts), the party breaks. The candidate’s backers spend the entire campaign trying to badger the rest of the party into supporting the UNACCEPTABLE candidate rather than going forward with the campaign. They always lose.
Sometimes they win later. The Goldwater people never got the “GOPe” to go along and lost big, but Reagan’s people BECAME the GOPe and took everything. I doubt that Trumpism will be the same, but who knows.
But the blame for this is not with the GOP regulars who cannot support Trump. They told you up front that he was unacceptable and suggested other candidates, like Cruz, who held some of the same positions. But the Trump faction rammed their man through a splintered field, never getting more than 40% of the vote until it mostly wrapped up.
And then they act all surprised when the folks who said “Trump is unacceptable” still said that.
It’s your fault, Trumpists. Major parties don’t work by votes alone, and anyone with half a clue knows that. Don’t blame anyone else for your mistakes.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:13 amThe GOP “conservatives” who did poorly in the primaries would have done poorly in the general election.
Why? Besides the obvious “sour grapes”?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:14 amAnd if he wins, he’ll remember.
Oh, my, THAT’LL get me to vote for him! Surely it will.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:17 am@14.In 2 weeks the polls will be neck and neck.
Yep.
“Shane! Come back!” – Joey Starrett [Brandon De Wilde] ‘Shane’ 1953
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:18 amBecause constitutional conservatives moment in history has passed since you failed to check the demographic change of the nation brought about by the 1965 Immigration Act. Now, it is time for identity politics for everyone, including whites.
That’s the answer.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:19 amfor the love of leftover monkeybread y’all are all so poopy doopy about everything and y’all aren’t even involved in the pig abatement efforts
all the energy’s on Mr. Trump’s side of this kickball game
all the pig’s got is contrived propaganda slut stunts and some naked instagrams of katy perry
so effing lame
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:21 amHillary Clinton has one Hell of a propaganda apparatus on her side. It’s like facing the Soviet Union.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:23 amNow, it is time for identity politics for everyone, including whites.
Because that’s worked so well everywhere it’s been tried.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:24 amTrump and his followers want to take us back to the
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:27 am1960’s1860’s.“Why? Besides the obvious ‘sour grapes’?”
So you think the standard “conservative” line of open borders, neocon wars, “reforming medicare and social security” was going to win?
DN (21cace) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:27 amIt’s like facing the Soviet Union with a platoon of innumerate, credulous, gullible morons egged on talk radio babblers peddling worthless trinkets eminently fitting for their audiences.
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:28 amThis stopped being a disaster for the GOP in June. Now it’s a disaster for the country.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:28 amI should have said it’s like facing the Soviet union from within it.
That’s where we’re at, or rapidly speeding toward.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:30 amThat was the establishment’s position, DN, not the conservative position.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:30 amAnd what is the conservative position, DRJ? Outline the platform that was supposed to both be conservative and light the country on fire.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:32 ammy favorite part of the conservative position is where we stand aside and let the pig do them partial birth judges on the wee lil wiggle giggles
also the part where we look all smug about it
i need a new cardigan
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:34 amYay collectivism!
I always knew you were an alt-right white nationalist-style Trumper, “Denver Guy.”
Patterico (bcf524) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:35 amgod i hate america
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:35 am@15
nice try Dusty.
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:37 amKeep an eye on the state polls. Don’t be played by the DNC, the Democrats with bylines and the #NeverTrumpers.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:38 amMinorities collectiize politically to protect and help themselves. Conservatives allowed the Democrats to transform the country. As whites feel more pressure, they will do what any other group would do. This is predictable. It’s inevitable. Identity is part of politics.
P.S. Calling for the end of the ADL, JDL, B’nai B’rith, SPLC (may as well be on the same list) anytime soon?
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:39 am*collectivize
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:39 amhahahaha
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:40 am@18 It’s your fault, Trumpists.
Except it’s not.
You back the party’s duly elected nominee.
You don’t stab him in the back.
“Loyality’s a fine thing…” General Savage [Gregory Peck] ‘Twelve O’Clock High,’ 1949
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:40 amYea, this is the way the other team used to talk when they said “I’m not a member of an organized political party. I’m a democrat.”
crazy (d3b449) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:41 amAt least the hairstyle ain’t bad. Could even be rugged under the right circumstances. Only saving grace.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:41 amTrump was popular because he pretended to adopt the principles of conservatism — love of country (including secure borders), traditional values, realism in foreign and military policy, and capitalism. Most of the other candidates agree with these values, for the most part, and unlike Trump have believed in them more consistently.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:41 amYeah, no kidding. The ever disloyal blaming others.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:41 amI guess some of these #NeverTrumpers really believe Hillary Clinton will best represent their values…
And that may indeed be the case…
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:42 amTruer words.
Denver Guy (6640c3) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:43 amThat’s rich. Until this election, you’ve always been a Democrat.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:44 amNo matter how often you say it, not supporting Trump doesn’t mean we support Hillary.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:45 amIt means we make our own choices.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:46 amI’m glad you make your choices for whatever reasons you believe. It’s sad that you can’t grant me the same courtesy.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:47 amthere’s people what wanna do the pig all up in it and there’s people what wanna stop it
who’s gonna win?
i can’t wait to find out!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:48 amIt’s like facing the Soviet Union with a platoon of innumerate, credulous, gullible morons egged on talk radio babblers peddling worthless trinkets eminently fitting for their audiences.
YES! Just what we said at #NeverTrump! But there was no stopping Trump and he was nominated anyway.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:50 am@48- No, it’s priceless, DRJ.
There’s a YUGE difference between being a Republican and a conservative. And now that both parties have nominated neither, I’m voting for JR, not Maudie.
“I love New York! What a great vacation place! I love New York!” NY State Ad Campaign, 1980
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:50 am#45:
For DCSCA, I’ll shorten up my #18, which he seems incapable of reading:
blah blah blah blah you’re an idiot blah blah blah blah
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:54 amand 41
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:54 am#35:
hf, I did not know you had a lip ring.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:56 amNobody can stop you, DRJ, so please stop acting put upon like they could in any way stop you from making your own decision, mistake, whatever. That’s not a courtesy it’s a fact.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:58 amI love these characters talking about “loyalty.” I seem to remember an awful lot of attacks from some of these same people on folks far, far more conservative than Trump. Maybe someone with more time on their hands should start posting those nasty gibes and insulting nicknames. Right?
But now we are all back to loyalty.
Like the Left, a weird amnesia seems to be on the Happy Hour menu.
How could anyone NOT expect Trump to explode?
Again, he could have done things differently.
He chose not to. Repeatedly.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:58 amis happyfeet really Alex Jones?
Patterico (bcf524) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:59 amYou’re creating a false dichotomy.
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:01 pm“Hillary, who’s super-tough and can totes stand up to Putin, is meanwhile telling the media to report on Trump “stalking” her during the debate by walking around, and the media is of course dutifully relaying her musty old attack line.
This is what she told the media to report after her first debate with Rick Lazio in 2000, too.
(BTW: That article links to the Daily Caller. I don’t mean to suggest they’re part of the media following Hillary’s orders. Much of the media is. The Daily Caller, on the other hand, reports the Hillary campaign’s ridiculous claim without actually pushing it. Also, critically, they’re reporting that the Hillary campaign is pushing it, rather than simply pushing it themselves, as if this stupidity would just occur to anyone except a campaign manager.)”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/366262.php
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:03 pm#NeverTrumpers#They’reWithHeroh my goodness we have to do exorcisms
Mr. Drudge will know what to do
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:04 pmShort pre-post-mortem:
Trumpists: We had the votes at the convention, got the nomination, and you lot should have fallen in line. Traitors! You betrayed the party to the Democrats!
#NeverTrump: We told you what would happen. Did we lie? Did we take some kind of oath and renege? Why did you expect us to change our minds? Why did you not seek a compromise candidate like sane people would? But no, you ran a candidate who was just as terrible to us as Clinton, and got worse over time. He bailed on some of the few things we liked, and he stepped in every sh1t-puddle he could find.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:04 pmThe most terrible thing about the Trump campaign is that he has covered the GOP with his sh1t and it will take decades to clean it off.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:05 pm@24/28/30/53.
There is no Soviet Union.
“Blackie…Moscow’s been destroyed. Drop your bombs according to plan.” – The President [Henry Fonda] ‘Fail-Safe,’ 1964
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:05 pmIf the RNC really had their stuff together, they’d be crafting and running ads that pretty much write themselves, instead of handwringing and falling into doggie submission.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:06 pmThe #NeverTrumpers are really crafty the way they made kindly old Mr Trump make all those unforced errors and step on his crank all those many times. Especially considering how small that crank is.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:08 pmPaul Ryan’s already condemned Mr. Trump’s stalking behavior and introduced the Safe And Sassy Pig Playground Act of 2016
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:09 pmFlash… Fainting Couches on backorder… #FeigningCouches #They’reWithHer
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:09 pmIf the RNC really had their stuff together, they would have denounced Trump as a Clinton plant in August 2015.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:10 pmColonel
At what point did you actually think that the people who told you that they would never support Trump might actually support Trump?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:11 pmTin Foil Hats on aisle 13!
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:12 pm#They’reWithHer
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:12 pmThese polls obviously don’t include the debate impact. And then there’s the theory that his actual results will outperform his polls by several percent. If true then he’s not behind by 11 even without the impact of the debate. More like 5-6 percent.
The NeverTrumps are believing he’ll lose by something like this so they can say they aren’t the difference. But it’s still likely that they will be.
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:13 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:13 am
That was not the case in the Northeast, where you had closed primaries, and small Republican parties that almost never held primaries and almost always lost statewide elections, and
Trump got even 60%.
This was where if someone liked Ted Cruz, they liked Donald Trump better, and if someone didn’t like Donald Trump, they didn’t like Ted Cruz either. Ted Cruz, whom they didn’t know, seemed too arrogant in trying to force himself on them.
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:13 pmHaiku:
You’re so full of caca, it’s been pouring out your mouth for months.
#NeverTrump
#NeverHillary
Got it yet, ya fying lumbduck?
John Hitchcock (bca95e) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:15 pmColonel Haiku supported Cruz, as I did. Were you not around here during the primaries?
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:15 pm@65 The most terrible thing about the Trump campaign is that he has covered the GOP with his sh1t and it will take decades to clean it off.
Only conservatives. Ideology is in decay. Pragmatism will flourish in fertilizer.
“You’re dead, son. Get yourself buried.” – J.J. Hunsecker [Burt Lancaster] ‘The Sweet Smell of Success’ 1957
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:20 pmi wanted Mr. Scott Walker
but he imploded like warren buffett’s reputation after wells fargo’s sleaze was exposed
after that i resigned myself to making the best of whatever nominee we got
we have to beat that pig you see
Jesus wants us to beat that pig – that’s why he gave us pig-beating concepts and utensils
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:22 pmFirst, it’s called a false dilemma. Second, I wasn’t being serious. It’s not the #NeverTrumpers’ fault that the Trump campaign is crashing and burning.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:22 pmKevin M’s focus (and others) continues to be on proving something or other to those who voted for Trump in the primaries (they wrong, stupid, didn’t listen etc.).
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:22 pm@Kevin M:If the RNC really had their stuff together, they would have denounced Trump as a Clinton plant in August 2015.
The “Clinton plants”, listed in this order by the Clinton team, were
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
Ben Carson
I already linked to it in another thread and won’t again.
They figured that the electorate despises conservatism, and that’s why Cruz and Carson are on that list.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:26 pmwell plus ben carson was a gaffe-prone lispy weirdo
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:27 pmYes I know you were not serious.
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:28 pmIf the RNC really had their stuff together, they would have denounced Trump as a Clinton plant in August 2015.
That kind of stuff (or even the perception of it) is what created Trump voters. You still haven’t figured that out?
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:30 pmDon’t text and drive, Hitchcock.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:30 pm@Gerald A:That kind of stuff (or even the perception of it) is what created Trump voters. You still haven’t figured that out?
You got that right. I have never held a lower opinion of the GOP office-holders before what I saw Saturday, where they all wet their pants trying to disavow Trump, which was not only cowardly and hypocritical, but was also futile: it has never worked and never has.
And the Republican electorate largely agrees, which is why #NeverTrump is going to have a hard time purging Trump supporters from the Party.
As of now [10/9], GOP voters largely want the party to stand behind Trump. Nearly three-quarters of Republican voters, 74 percent, surveyed on Saturday said party officials should continue to support Trump. Only 13 percent think the party shouldn’t back him.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:36 pmlispy weirdo stayed in the race a stupidly long time too if i remember right
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:36 pmOk. I confess. I have a mind-control ray, specially designed to penetrate ten layers of Aqua Net, and I have been making Trump say and do stupid things. When in doubt, I have asked “What would happyfeet say?”, and I made Trump say that. I am responsible for Trump’s loss and I have been exploiting poor happyfeet in the process.
n "the n stands for nevertrump" k (dbc370) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:38 pmWhat’s not to like:
He’s wealthy.
He’s successful.
He’s Presbyterian.
He’s white.
He has a pretty wife.
He has lovely ex-wives.
He has attractive children.
He has lots of property.
He has a big airplane.
He has a cool helicopter.
He has money in the bank.
He has plastic in his pocket.
He has an entrepreneurial spirit.
He has a very smart tax accountant.
He has golf courses to play on all over the world.
And he lives in a magnificent, golden tower in that ‘shining city on hill’ with a lifestyle and attitude nostalgic Reaganites and most-driven Americans enviously dream, swoon and aspire to. What’s not to like?…
“Oh right- New York…” – Steve Martin, SNL monologue
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:38 pmMr. Trump’s my best buddy now only cause of he’s gonna save us from that pig Mr. nk
we never used to hang out before this
he stays up super late for one thing plus i don’t always have the right clothes for the stuff he likes to do
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:41 pmHow about:
– He’s a liberal
– He’s a Democrat
– He donated to Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid
– He said he really like Hillary Clinton
– He invited the Clintons to his wedding
– He loves him some government regulations
– He hates free speech
– He’s at best moderate on gun control
– He lies all the time
– He is only out for himself
– He has ripped many many people off.
Don’t forget, Clinton WANTED Trump to be nominated. She was desperate for him to be the nominee. And why not? She knew the media would destroy him. She knew she wasn’t well liked so she needed Trump to be worse. And she got exactly what she wanted, with the help of a compliant media and a fooled minority of Republicans.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (dd9551) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:49 pmYes, and a lot of Russians are less than pleased about that fact.
Would hasten to add that you could be forgiven for thinking it still exists if you’ve ever travelled in or near Transnistria.
JP (f1742c) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:54 pmsome you people have very high pig tolerance levels
myself if i didn’t do everything i could to stop that pig from getting all up in it I’d think less of myself as a person I really would
mama raised me better than to just sit around like a pooper and abide having a pig all up in it
i love you mama
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:54 pmBefore you all get too excited. The headline was: Hillary Clinton’s Lead Jumped After Lewd Trump Video, Before Debate, in WSJ Poll
Propaganda works until it doesn’t.
The interesting thing about last nights debate was the crowd of undecided voters and their spontaneous reactions. If you take at face value, that the audience members were in fact undecided, then the undecided were not buying what Clinton and the outrage press were selling.
James Carville coined the phrase “The economy, stupid” as a campaign strategist for Bill Clinton’s successful 1992 presidential campaign against sitting president George H. W. Bush.
The last 8 years have not been good years and HRC is tied to the hip of President Obama.
All the baggage on both sides aside, I think that people will vote with their pocket books. The laughter at HRC was telling.
Ian M (fb21cd) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:58 pmThank you Mr. M for that healthy dose of clarity and rationality.
We gonna beat that pig in no small thanks to patriots like yourself.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:01 pmNo, I have a very low tolerance for pigs. The problem is that both of them are pigs. And I don’t want the country to be led by either of them. Yes, I know one of them will win the election. But I’m not going to vote for one pig in order to stop another pig.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:06 pmI think both lost voters in the debate. To any reasonable person, neither one is anything to be proud of. Hillary has the advantage of bigger reserves and better organization. And better hair.
nk (dbc370) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:07 pmdon’t you think calling Mr. Trump a pig is maybe just a tad juvenile Mr. Bartowski?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:12 pm@Patrick Henry, the 2nd:Don’t forget, Clinton WANTED Trump to be nominated. She was desperate for him to be the nominee.
Erm, you are forgetting that she wanted, in this order
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
Ben Carson
All for the same reason, they would be too extreme for the electorate in the general election. But the media thanks you for uncritically accepting their version of events.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:23 pmTrump has been successful. Successful at alienating and pissing off two-thirds of the electorate, a good number of that electorate being members of his own adopted party. Problem is, the majority who nominated him are Republicans, and those Republicans are still there, waiting to get chumped by the next clown who shows up and says the right words.
WarrenPeese (f8f16e) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:23 pmNo more juvenile than you calling Hillary a pig, feet.
To paraphrase a line from 1776: The candidate is a pig, whether we say so or not. We may as well say so.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:26 pmOddly, we once sided with one pig, Stalin, to beat another pig, Hitler. Now we’re here and they’re both in hell having a tiny circle jerk with Mao. Funny how things work out.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:27 pmsee that’s doing false equalivate
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:28 pmi mean Mr. B
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:28 pm@93 =yawn= Irrelevant to you, perhaps. You forgot: And he lives in a magnificent, golden tower in that ‘shining city on hill’ with a lifestyle and attitude nostalgic Reaganites and most-driven Americans enviously dream, swoon and aspire to.
Some folks leave the trailer park. Some don’t dare to try.
“A man’s got to know his limitations.” – Harry Callahan [Clint Eastwood] ‘Magnum Force,’ 1973
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@94-Yes, and a lot of Russians are less than pleased about that fact.
On the other hand, a lot are. Especially the ones driving Rolls-Royces and eating at McDonald’s in Red Square. And the one’s banking the $75 million/ride to ferry American astronauts aboard Soyuz spacecraft to and from the $100+ billion ISS the U.S. operates w/Russia and other nations. Never been to Transnistria. Been inside the Kremlin. Needed a paint job back in the day. Still does.
“Well, boys, I reckon this is it — nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies.” – Maj. “King” Kong [Slim Pickens] ‘Dr. Strangelove,’1964
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:31 pmHow is it a false equivalence? You call Hillary a pig, I call Trump (and Hillary) a pig. It’s the same action by two different people. Not a false equivalence at all.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:33 pm“…The laughter at HRC was telling.”
Ian M (fb21cd) — 10/10/2016 @ 12:58 pm
I remember feeling one of those Chris Matthews leg tingle thingies at that point, lol…
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:35 pmNo more juvenile than you calling Hillary a pig, feet.
Ooh, you said pigfeet. Hamhock or knuckles?
nk (dbc370) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:36 pmPhooy! My dad told me: “The only limitations we have we put on ourselves. If you think you can’t do it, you won’t”.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:38 pmThey ain’t no pigs. Now here’s a pig…
https://lh5.googleuserconten t.com/-esGe0xRKPq4/VFHFxp4tzDI /AAAAAAAAF_I/wDtZm2PXI0A/ s2560/1414645187530.jpeg
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:41 pmyou have to be able to exercise your faculties for making moral distinctions
Mr. Trump may be a bit boisterous sometimes and maybe a little more pugnacious than you might prefer but he’s not a fascist criminal pig
he’s just not
he’s a businessman
a family man
and a capitalist
and he loves america very very much
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:41 pmI never said they were morally equivalent, I said they were both pigs.
I never said he was fascist or criminal, just that’s he’s a pig.
Don’t attribute things to me that I have never said.
If the GOP had presented me with a non-pig to vote for, I’d happily vote for him, but they didn’t. It’s not my fault that they want me to vote for a pig.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:46 pm@98- No, I have a very low tolerance for pigs. The problem is that both of them are pigs. And I don’t want the country to be led by either of them. Yes, I know one of them will win the election. But I’m not going to vote for one pig in order to stop another pig.
Which essentially makes you a swine by default.
“There’ll be pork in the treetops come morning.” – Eleanor of Aquitaine [Katharin Hepburn] “The Lion in Winter” 1968
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:48 pmTry that again… https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-esGe0xRKPq4/VFHFxp4tzDI/AAAAAAAAF_I/wDtZm2PXI0A/s2560/1414645187530.jpeg
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:50 pmWe’ll keep the House, because the districts favor us very much. Democratic House candidates got more total votes than Republicans in 2012, but when you have inner city districts going 90% for the Democrat, the total vote means little.
The Republican Dana (f6a568) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:50 pmDCSCA wrote:
Unless you live in one of the very few competitive states, declining to vote for Donald Trump makes a statement, but doesn’t change the outcome. Pennsylvania hasn’t been carried by the Republican nominee since 1988, and right now Hillary Clinton is polling better than Donald Trump and Gary Johnson combined. My vote for Mr Johnson will not stop Mrs Clinton from carrying this state.
The Dana in Pennsylvania (f6a568) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:53 pmMr Bartowski wrote:
By the time the Pennsylvania primary rolled around, Mr Trump’s only competition was Ted Cruz, and I voted for Mr Cruz, who was not my first choice, but the only non-Trump choice left.
The sad fact is that Mr Trump won the nomination, fair and square. We will be saddled with Hillary Clinton due to the stupidity of Republican primary voters.
The disappointed Dana (f6a568) — 10/10/2016 @ 1:56 pm@117.We’ll keep the House, because the districts favor us very much. Democratic House candidates got more total votes than Republicans in 2012, but when you have inner city districts going 90% for the Democrat, the total vote means little.
So it is coming down to this: conservatives forfeit the presidency for four or eight years and sacrifice several life time Supreme Court seats to save a House that up for grabs every two years?
Seems pragmatism is very, very in. And ideology is very, very out.
“That’s an attitude, sir, that calls for the most delicate judgment on both sides. ‘Cause as you know, sir, in the heat of action men are likely to forget where their best interests lie and let their emotions carry them away.” – Kasper Gutman [Sydney Greenstreet] ‘The Maltese Falcon,’ 1941
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:03 pmYes, exactly right. I agree with you, Adjective Dana.
Non sequitur Quite literally, it does not follow. How does not voting for a pig make me a swine?
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:05 pm@118. Unless you live in one of the very few competitive states, declining to vote for Donald Trump makes a statement, but doesn’t change the outcome.
You don’t know that. Declining to vote says nothing. Never thought I’d agree w/Ingraham but she’s right: ‘Time to put you big boy pants on.’ Support the party’s duly elected nominee. Clinging to a dying ideology out of peak is a losing game in 2016 and for the foreseeable future.
And there’s likely a lot of people who will crossover [such as myself] or simply will not admit to voting for JR to a pollster. Anecdotally speaking, I know several friends and family who are.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:12 pmDCSCA wrote:
That’s just silliness: I never said that I wasn’t going to vote, only that I wasn’t going to vote for Donald Trump. Our bigger problem is that there are so many normal Republican voters who are so f(ornicating) disgusted by the nomination of Mr Trump that they’ll not vote at all. The possibility of a presidential-election-sized Democratic turnout versus an off-year-election-sized Republican turnout does exist, and that’s because so many people became so f(ornicating) stupid as to support Mr Trump in the primaries.
We told you that this would happen! But, nooo! You decided to nominate a game show host, a trophy-wife collector, a gambler, a mostly-Democratic crony, because he said all of the right things, even though you knew that he didn’t mean one f(ornicating) thing he said.
There were seventeen contenders for the Republican nomination, and sixteen of them could have beaten Hillary Clinton; y’all went ahead and voted for the one who couldn’t.
The very disappointed Dana (f6a568) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:18 pm@121-Non sequitur Quite literally, it does not follow. How does not voting for a pig make me a swine?
If you gotta ask, your bacon’s cooked.
“Let’s see-Farmer Billy’s smoke-fed bacon, Farmer Billy’s bacon-fed bacon, Farmer Billy’s travel bacon… Mr. Simpson, if you really want to kill yourself, I also sell handguns!” – Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, ‘The Simpsons’ Fox TV
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:20 pm@123-That’s just silliness: I never said that I wasn’t going to vote, only that I wasn’t going to vote for Donald Trump. Our bigger problem is that there are so many normal Republican voters who are so f(ornicating) disgusted by the nomination of Mr Trump that they’ll not vote at all.
Except it’s not silly at all.
Ingraham is right. [My God, I said it again.] Back the party nominee. Leaders lead— not run and hide– and that’s what the GOP ‘leadership’ is doing. Jumping like rats[or pussies] afraid of a little ‘pussy’. Ryan got a face full of it at his weekend rally.
Because if you don’t vote for JR, Maudie wins. And you lose the court for a generation.
“And that’s the way it is…” – Walter Cronkite, CBS News anchor signoff
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:29 pmDCSCA wrote:
If someone will not admit to voting for Donald Trump, doesn’t that mean that they are ashamed of voting for him? What does that say about your candidate?
The very logical Dana (f6a568) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:30 pmHaven’t read everything,
Dennis Prager said today that the kerfuffle is Democrat planned hysteria and too many Republicans are being useful idiots and falling for it
Yes, trump is crude, etc.,
But so are a lot of people,
including the leftists screaming loudly today who otherwise celebrate misogynist rap lyrics and self objectifying videos that pass as “popular art”
And the Clintons are crude and criminal in behavior and are far worse
I have said before that at times it seems like the politicians have MAD dirt on one another which is why so many egregious things get ignored,
Guess what, you try to destroy Trump,
he ain’t going away but will fight back,
like
“If I was president you would be in jail!”
Which got great applause.
I have no idea what will happen,
They are on a course to destroy each other, I think,
And we will see who is left standing.
I think the GOPe ought to stick with Trump and push the
Yes he is crude but he hasn’t gotten away with murder and corruption at an international level while sos and hasn’t destroyed the rule of law and will appoint justices that will not rubber stamp the left agenda,
But I think they would rather lose than do that,
Just like they preferred to lose than have Cruz elected.
If Trump manages to win, maybe we will see some of the GOPe get a nasty payback
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:38 pmWho knows
Np, it means you saw what happened to Eich and want to save yourself some trouble, not be a martyr.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:40 pmRe: The idea that Trump is the only Republican who could lose to Hillary Clinton:
Some Democrat (Brent Budowsky at the Puffington Host) wrote to John Podesta on Sunday March 13, 2016 (before Super Tuesday, which caused Marco Rubio to drop out)
This is from the John Podesta hack:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3990
Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:42 pmAs Prager also said,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:42 pmNo matter who the R candidate was,
They would attack him or her just as bad,
With made up stuff if necessary.
@126-If someone will not admit to voting for Donald Trump, doesn’t that mean that they are ashamed of voting for him?
Who says? Maybe to you or prigs in Utah… but generally speaking, of course not. Your vote is private. Why tell a pollster anything— particularly for free?
What does that say about your candidate?
He’s not my candidate. He’s yours. Crossing over to vote for him is a gift to you. It says he’s the party’s duly elected nominee and if you support the party, you vote for him, not cling to a defeated ideological agenda.
And it is worth repeating:
A party that opens its national convention showcasing illegal immigrants as featured speakers in prime time television to a national audience, lecturing citizens of the United States, is not a party that has the best interests of the nation in mind this cycle.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:49 pmNo matter who the R candidate was,
They would attack him or her just as bad,
With made up stuff if necessary.
Here, it wasn’t necessary. Or hard even.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:58 pmI wonder how many times in this one thread DSPCA has said that the polls are all wrong and they YOU’LL SEE!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 2:59 pmI live in Los Angeles. My Congresswoman is Maxine Waters, running unopposed, as she did in the jungle primary. If Trump wins here, or loses by my one vote, he will win nationally in a landslide. There are two Democrats running for the Senate in this one-party state.
I will STILL vote because of all the ballot issues where people occasionally show some sense.
But I won’t vote for Donald Trump. Not with a bag over my head. I hope that he comes in third here.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:05 pmTrump isn’t dragging down Congress. The GOP congress hasn’t given anyone a reason to vote for them. In control since 2010 and what have they done?
Judicial Watch got the Clinton emails.
Independent types shut down the Wisconsin Doe investigation.
NLRB pushes Boeing around. Foreign worker visas are being issued like water.
Congress ineptly let Louis Lerner take the fifth, then make a self serving statement. It never got a fraction of her emails.
Its been pushed around like choir boys by Clarence Beeks.
I know its preferable to a democratic congress, but you’ll have a hard time selling that to Independents.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:25 pmWhat do you expect from someone who travels with a robot harem?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:29 pm@134–I live in Los Angeles. My Congresswoman is Maxine Waters, running unopposed, as she did in the jungle primary. If Trump wins here, or loses by my one vote, he will win nationally in a landslide. There are two Democrats running for the Senate in this one-party state.I will STILL vote because of all the ballot issues where people occasionally show some sense. But I won’t vote for Donald Trump. Not with a bag over my head. I hope that he comes in third here.
Lived in LA for a decade. They still speak English there? It’s a concentration bubble festering with ooze that’s hardly representative of the nation. But on the upside, palm trees do grow in a sewer with zip codes. But still…
“Century Boulevard (We love it)Victory Boulevard (We love it)Santa Monica Boulevard (We love it)
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:31 pmSixth Street (We love it, we love it)We love L.A.” – Randy Newman ‘I Love L.A.’ – 1983
She made it very clear who she wants on the Supreme Court. I’m voting for Trump to stop Clinton and her make America Terrible agenda.
Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 10/10/2016 @ 3:35 pmNovember is going to be so much fun.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:20 pmIf Hillary wins, the nevertrumpers like Kevin M. will throw a big party to celebrate.
And then when Hillary moves a Somali family into every house in his neighborhood he’ll be so happy that she won.
He’d better be happy, because the 1st amendment will be “enhanced” to disallow hate speech, and saying a contrary word about the new Muslim neighborhood will be determined to be hate speech get his ass tossed in jail.
Fred-2 lies a lot.
John Hitchcock (68fa89) — 10/10/2016 @ 4:48 pmI will be holding a wake, no matter who wins.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/10/2016 @ 6:31 pmfred-2, does your brain cell get lonely rolling around in that big empty head?
Chuck Bartowski (211c17) — 10/10/2016 @ 9:07 pmKevin – Maxine Waters has a GOP opponent named Omar Navarro. He’ll probably get a little over 25% of the vote.
Nick M. (d6362a) — 10/10/2016 @ 11:23 pm143, That’s actually pretty good. And he’s somewhat “hardcore”, from a Los Angeles hispanic perspective, on immigration. (Yeah, I went to his website).
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/11/2016 @ 4:12 amA) The order wasn’t important. B) So? There were plenty of other candidates. C) They also thought it was even money Cruz could beat her. D) Except I’m not “uncritically” accepting their version. I believed that based on other data and thoughts before the emails. And I didn’t realize that this was a media issue when it their campaign saying these things.
So maybe check your facts.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (dd9551) — 10/11/2016 @ 6:43 amUrban – they reconfigured Maxine’s district in ways that will eventually end her career. It’s still solidly Democrat by registration, but it has a far lower black population than her district lines in prior cycles – the new territory is far more Hispanic and Asian, and includes 2/3 of the (large and fairly Republican) city of Torrance.
Nick M. (d6362a) — 10/12/2016 @ 12:12 amI’m hopeful that next cycle she faces a strong intra-party opponent (and I have a name in mind) who can beat her in the general election (CA has a top-two jungle primary system). She can be beaten the same way Pete Stark was.