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10/10/2016

McConnell Not Defending Trump Either

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:30 pm



Speaker of the House Paul Ryan said earlier today that he won’t be defending Trump any more. Now it appears the Senate’s top GOP leader is taking the same approach:

As GOP senators scramble to survey the damage caused by Donald Trump’s explicit comments about women, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had some direct advice for a local Kentucky group: Don’t ask him about the presidential election.

“If you are interested in the presidential election, you might as well go ahead and leave because I don’t have any observations to make about it,” McConnell said Monday at a Danville-Boyle County Chamber of Commerce luncheon, according to The Associated Press.

The Republican leader — who frequently ignores or sidesteps questions about Trump from reporters in the Capitol — said on Monday that luncheon attendees shouldn’t ask him about the presidential race “even though that’s what I know you all wanted me to talk about today.”

McConnell’s decision is less startling than the decision of Ryan, who (until this past Friday) had planned to campaign with Trump. McConnell often avoids questions about Trump. But Trump is down and needs help — and the pointed refusal of top Congressional leaders to give it to him is a signal that they think he will be an albatross around their necks.

Based on recent polls, they’re probably right.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

183 Responses to “McConnell Not Defending Trump Either”

  1. first they came for Mr. Trump

    next thing you know Ashley Judd’s coming for your useless gimp ass

    good luck with that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. Nah, Ryan and McConnell are finished.
    If Clinton and the Dems win, elections have consequences and they will be shoved aside,
    If Trump wins, they have made an enemy.

    They said they preferred the devil to Cruz,
    and they may just get what they asked for.

    Turning on Trump is a losing proposition.
    They should acknowledge his faults and point out how he is still better
    But they won’t, like Mike K and I said about Ryan

    The political class is for themselves above all,
    maybe God will make a way for them all to lose.

    MD in Philly (735443)

  3. Hello, this is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and message. I’ll get back to you .

    Pinandpuller (b040c7)

  4. My apology for crowd sourcing an opinion,
    but this is the best focus group I know…
    Anyone?
    https://patterico.com/2016/10/10/paul-ryan-i-will-no-longer-defend-or-campaign-with-trump-but-vote-trump/#comment-1937002

    MD in Philly (735443)

  5. “Mein Fuhrer, Steiner … Steiner could not muster enough troops.”

    Der Untergang, 2004

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Turtle Wax gives a hard shell finish… Turtle Wax!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  7. These traitors should be dealt with by Trump with the utmost resolve when he has power.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  8. what’s the pig promising ryan and mcconnell in exchange for their support?

    you’d think even the most vapid nevertrump would be a lil curious

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. When loyalty to a man is the determination of who is a traitor and who isn’t, you get World War II. But the person who is using that determination the most would also have used that determination back in 1936 as well.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  10. What’s to defend?

    Trump was a Democrat when he said those things and he qualifies for the Democrat Pass.

    If he doesn’t qualify for it, the defenders need to be the Democrats! All the GOP needs to say is: He isn’t that way now, or we wouldn’t have him. You’ll need to ask the Democrats why they tolerated him then”.

    MJN1957 (f1b2f0)

  11. “If you are interested in the presidential election, you might as well go ahead and leave because I don’t have any observations to make about it,” McConnell said Monday at a Danville-Boyle County Chamber of Commerce luncheon, according to The Associated Press.”

    Was turtle soup served?

    “I guess you could call him ‘The Little Tortoise That Couldn’t’ ” – Kent Brockman ‘The Simpsons’ Fox TV

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. @ Denver Guy, #@7:

    These traitors should be dealt with by Trump with the utmost resolve when he has power.

    You talk about identity politics for whites, and resolutely dealing with traitors.

    I can’t be the only person listening who hears the pitter-patter of little goosesteps.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  13. Demosthenes, beat ya by 17 minutes.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  14. You did. But anything worth saying is worth saying twice.

    Anything worth saying is worth saying twice.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  15. Beat you both by a day or two, maybe longer.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. BTW, John, I’ve figured out why Nazis are anti-Semites. It’s because of Leviticus 18:22 and 18:23.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. To be clear: Those two proscriptions are the part of Judaism Nazis hate the most.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. Verse 20 has something to say about their current “hail him or you’re unpatriotic” hero.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  19. “The establishment right, sharing zip codes, baristas, and beds with the left, are past-masters at confirming and enforcing New Thought Control Rules the left just initiated five minutes ago.

    What to know what massive changes the left imposed on society ten years ago? Just look at the things the right is currently enforcing the rules on — and that tells you what victories the left won a decade past.

    Basically, the right has a fetish about enforcing rules, even rules they violently disagreed with ten years ago. But as soon as the left makes it a rule that has a bare plurality of the country’s support, the right is Ready to Die for That Hill.

    The hills the right is ready to die for seem to be only the hills that the left itself has built and fortified.”

    — Ace

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  20. If anything could convince me to vote for Trump, it would be this post.

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  21. Is theer some kind of legal impediment to them just out and out endorsing somebody else, or trying to get many state Republican parties to either substitute someone else, or announce their Electors will vote for somebody else?

    Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c)

  22. 20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

    21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

    22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

    23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

    24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

    29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  23. MD in Philly (735443) — 10/10/2016 @ 5:48 pm

    They should acknowledge his faults and point out how he is still better

    They could also say that, with the exception maybe of how he handled sex scandls, Dennis Hastert was a good Speaker of the House, and no Democrat would argue taht Bill Clinton was a bad president – or even JFK.

    Trump has got other problems, of course.

    maybe God will make a way for them all to lose.

    Nothing is too hard for God.

    Sammy Finkelman (3b0a8c)

  24. I did not watch the debate last night.
    Over the last several hours I have heard some clips.

    There is a good reason why the news is a flutter with these repub defection issues,
    because trump did a great job at turning embarrassing questions back around on Mr. and Mrs. Clinton,
    including having a number of their past victims in the audience to refer to.

    If the news cycle since the debate was dominated by the debate, it would be bad for Clinton.
    A reprise of “useful idiots” seems to be playing.

    I guess no one wants to comment on the Duke Lacrosse legacy/perception for me.
    Yes, it was off topic.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  25. John Hitchcock @22

    You’re a nut.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  26. It was kind of like if the woman caught in adultery didn’t have Jesus around to defend her,
    and had the fortitude to challenge them herself,
    “Sure, you caught me in sin, and the Law says you can stone me,
    let the first of you with adultery in your hearts that have never sinned throw the first stone.”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  27. First they came for the Democrats, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Democrat.

    Then they came for the entrenched Republican leadership, and I did not speak out –
    Because their poor leadership and back-stabbing had grown tedious.

    Then they came for the NeverTrumpers, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a NeverTrumper.

    Then they stopped coming, because all our problems were solved.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  28. Quoting the Bible makes me a nut? I’ve been called far worse since before Nixon got the boot, because I quoted the Bible.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  29. Purges.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  30. Porsches

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  31. Send the refugees to Israel.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  32. Trump’s entire shtik for the last 20 years has been to be lewd, crude, rude and a braggart. The sight of these people pretending not to notice this before now is pathetic.

    What? Gambling in Casablanca? I am shocked!

    Kishnevi (1b8c69)

  33. Well, here we are in a room with two manky hookers and a racist dwarf– Ray ‘In Bruges’

    Pinandpuller (b040c7)

  34. McConnell’s probably being more intelligent than Ryan.

    You hear many (pre-millenialist) Christians saying that we are approaching the end, when everything goes downhill fast. Who’s to say this and the last two elections aren’t part of that? It is striking how, for those whose eschatology includes a final battle of Armageddon in Israel, we see Iran will have nuclear tipped missiles soon, which wouldn’t have happened had recent election results been different.

    So maybe Trump is God’s tool to get Clinton in and grease the skids toward the final outcome, which would make both Trump and Clinton God’s useful idiots.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  35. Gerald A:
    And the Lord calling Scalia home…

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  36. .Quoting the Bible makes me a nut? I’ve been called far worse since before Nixon got the boot, because I quoted the Bible.
    Christoph/Max called an idea expressed directly in the Bible as immoral and disgusting, so I suppose DG feels impelled to follow, since he is now the designated Stormfronter.

    Kishnevi (1b8c69)

  37. Well, there is a reason that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote or participate in politics.

    Pinandpuller (b040c7)

  38. The fear Ryan, McConnell and other GOP pols have is that Team Clinton and the media have far more audio and video on Trump they’re planning to release in dribs and drabs over the next four weeks. They’re bailing now because they’re afraid that if they stand by Trump on this one, they’ll then have to stand by Trump after 4-5 more similar things come out, and then their own conflicting statements will become part of the endless anti-GOP loop, not just until Nov. 8 but through to the 2018 and 2020 election cycles.

    John (4a719f)

  39. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/

    I had Jehovah’s Witness clients. Very nice people. But they don’t fit into “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state” political system. They were persecuted alongside the Jews.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. And again, where were these cowards when it counted?

    Romney stood tall and called a con man a con man. Ryan and McConnell scurried like rats, and now can’t get off the ship fast enough.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  41. @ John, #40:

    Which is a perfectly logical fear, you have to give them that. They’re really caught here. Ditch Trump, and risk running into the collective Scylla that is the Trump base, which will probably pick off a few of them. Continue to withhold support, or even stay silent, and risk veering into the Charybdis of further scandals…and finding out how deep that whirlpool goes, and what exactly you’ll find on the way down.

    Fun fact from mythology: Odysseus also chose to brave Scylla rather than risk losing everything in Charybdis.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  42. Sorry. Obviously that should be “continue to support.” It’s been a very long day.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  43. @22- better get to that whole stoning homosexuals to death, don’t want to get outside the Mosaic law!

    I’m not sure I’ve ever stumbled across such a collection of self righteous hypocrites in my life. I’m supposed to believe none of you have ever engaged in locker room talk? Please. It’s sickening how it’s become so unconscionable to be men anymore.

    I’m still sure Trump is going to win, but I don’t think it will matter in the long run. Our country is a pack of neutered scolds about to be overrun by barbarians for lack of any masculine fortitude whatsoever. For the first time in my life I’m embarrassed to be an American. This has become a country of ball-less wonders begging for acceptance from the women holding a bloody knife in one hand and their scrotum in the other.

    Go ahead, submit you worthless buggers. Lock the chains around your own necks and brag of your principled servitude. Ain’t one of you miserable nevertrumpers worth the white spray from a squeezed pimple on Donald’s posterior.

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  44. @ Kevin M, #42:

    I understand your point. But…Romney got hit fairly hard for his actions at the time. Yet now that they (unsurprisingly) proved wise, you don’t see a bunch of people lining up to say that.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  45. @ LBascom, #45:

    I’m not sure I’ve ever stumbled across such a collection of self righteous hypocrites in my life. I’m supposed to believe none of you have ever engaged in locker room talk?

    Sure, I’ve engaged in locker roomtalk. Every guy has. That’s how I know that what you’re defending is not locker room talk. And if you don’t understand the difference between “tap that” and “grab her by the p****,” then I am really glad you’re not dating my sister. Or my daughter.

    Go away, you wanna-be Manly Man, and tuck your little Don Johnny between your legs as you go.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  46. Yeah, if you want to advocate for white people, you’re a stormfronter.

    You guys prove why this is necessary and more people are doing it.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  47. I understand your point. But…Romney got hit fairly hard for his actions at the time. Yet now that they (unsurprisingly) proved wise, you don’t see a bunch of people lining up to say that.

    No, unsurprisingly, the cowards aren’t lauding the courageous guy they wouldn’t follow. “Who knew?” will be the watchword. Or maybe “There’s still time!”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  48. If happens if we put all the Nazis in concentration camps.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  49. What happens …

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  50. Demosthenes, I’m sure YOUR locker room talk was all quite classy and respectable, of course. Sorry Trump triggered you. Find a safe space and pet a puppy or something.

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  51. A man of little evils. Everything about Trump is small. He lacks even the dignity of a great crime. A dwarf worshiped by dwarves who mistake bombast for strength because they themselves have no strength.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. No locker room talk is classy. But again, Trump’s words are not locker room talk. They were the id-generated words of a spoiled, bratty child in a grown man’s body, who’s grown so used to no one ever being able to hold him to standards that he’s lost any he has.

    Like you, actually. Jeff G. would have ripped you about seven new ones by now. Patterico, for reasons that surpass my comprehension, chooses to tolerate you. Your intelligence has deteriorated accordingly.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  53. Kevin M, and by Nazi you mean any white person not ashamed of his heritage of course…

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  54. Jeff Goldstein, like the rest of nevertrumpers, has lost his ever lov’in mind.

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  55. Oh good Lord. Listen to yourself, LBascom.

    How are your words different from that of a DNC plant tasked to make conservatives look bad on the internet?

    It’s isn’t. But we do it to ourselves, for free.

    Simon Jester (eb75fd)

  56. The only thing that could make this a worse week for Tedtoo is if he is making calls for Trump on a Samsung phone.

    “How about a little fire, Scarecrow?” – Wicked Witch [Margaret Hamilton] ‘Wizard of Oz,’ 1939

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. Patterico doing everything he can to elect crooked dying hillary so she can turn SCOTUS liberal for a lifetime!

    jim (a9b7c7)

  58. Yes. Because refusing to join the effort to elevate a sick, sad little manchild to Leader of the Free World is now proof of insanity.

    I notice that you said a lot less that time, though. Maybe reminding you of when you weren’t batcrap crazy struck a chord?

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  59. Patterico doing everything he can to elect crooked dying hillary so she can turn SCOTUS liberal for a lifetime!

    Most Jews are on the “right” are.

    Jeff Goldstein, like the rest of nevertrumpers, has lost his ever lov’in mind.

    Yep.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  60. 57- yeah right, defending the republican candidate against a pack of fools that want him to lose makes ME sound like the DNC plant. That’s rich …

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  61. 57- yeah right, defending the republican candidate against a pack of fools that want him to lose makes ME sound like the DNC plant. That’s rich …

    So many dishonest people among the Never Trumpers.

    Denver Guy (6640c3)

  62. Very classy, you two. And keep in mind that you are also saying that about the fellow who pays for the bandwidth you are posting on. You know?

    Simon Jester (eb75fd)

  63. @22- better get to that whole stoning homosexuals to death, don’t want to get outside the Mosaic law!

    LBascom (1ec93b) — 10/10/2016 @ 8:46 pm

    1 Corinthians 6

    9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  64. Patterico doing everything he can to elect crooked dying hillary so she can turn SCOTUS liberal for a lifetime!

    Most Jews are on the “right” are.

    Jeff Goldstein, like the rest of nevertrumpers, has lost his ever lov’in mind.

    Yep.

    I”m not Jewish. But I am banning you. You anti-Semitic, white natioanalist creep.

    Patterico (379be7)

  65. Declarations of the need for whites to band together plus bringing up Jews out to nowhere to disparage them = time to take out the trash.

    Patterico (379be7)

  66. And the air just got a little cleaner around here.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  67. Hitchcock:

    We are saved by faith, not works, lest any man boast.

    LBascom (99ba6b)

  68. Patterico, I hate sounding all paranoid, but didn’t I read about an internet “dirty tricks campaign” run by HRC’s campaign?

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html

    On the other hand, we do like to destroy ourselves.

    Those two folks went all white supremacist, which kind of feeds into how the Left wants the Right to be perceived.

    Your site, your rules.

    But thank you.

    Simon Jester (eb75fd)

  69. Faith without works is dead.
    Faith in the One who declared those things evil; thus, repentance from those evil things. That means truly being sorry you did them in the first place, and stopping from doing them.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  70. Be careful. Using locker-room vulgarities and feigned outrage as a pretext for overthrowing a democratically elected candidate may not be the wisest course of action.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  72. Faith in Whom?
    And do you know what faith means?
    Keep on sinning? The Lord forbid!

    It’s not a lip-service thing. You are known by your fruits, not in spite of your fruits.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  73. Notice the apostle said “that’s what some of you were”, not “that’s what some of you are”. There is a difference. Your faith in the Lord and the rebirth means you no longer are doing those things.

    John Hitchcock (68fa89)

  74. LBascom, 9:50 PM, quoting Galatians:

    The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

    LBascom, 8:46 PM, expressing his faith through love

    Our country is a pack of neutered scolds about to be overrun by barbarians for lack of any masculine fortitude whatsoever…Go ahead, submit you worthless buggers…Ain’t one of you miserable nevertrumpers worth the white spray from a squeezed pimple on Donald’s posterior.

    Oh, and the money quote, also from 8:46 PM:

    I’m not sure I’ve ever stumbled across such a collection of self righteous hypocrites in my life.

    Sometimes, one doesn’t need to say more. Does one?

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  75. Trump is going to lose. Maybe for the best, although I can’t see how Hillary will be good. The question, though is how do we pick up the pieces?

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  76. Americans don’t pick up pieces, crimaleins do.

    mg (31009b)

  77. @41 nk

    I only really bring it up because one stopped by today. That’s really unusual as well-I don’t think I’ve ever only seen one. I thought they were like Pringle’s potato chips.

    Pinandpuller (b040c7)

  78. @43 Demosthenes

    Mr P90x Paul Ryan couldn’t string Odysseus’ bow.

    Pinandpuller (b040c7)

  79. 76- Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

    Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  80. Why are “CONSERVATIVES” such as PUSSATERICO, running for the po$$ibility of CA$H right now??
    Patterico is a loser and a fraud. Like most CASH-CENTRIC pretend CONSERVATIVES, it’s all calculated to the BOTTOM LINE.
    Patterico is a complete and utter PU$$Y.

    And SHE knows it.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  81. Pussiterico is READY FOR RODHAM!!!! Right PU$$ITERICO???

    GUS (30b6bd)

  82. I recently had the CRAZY experience of getting banned at Gateway Pundit (Disqus) for….. no reason at all. All I did was pointing out that rally attendance doesn’t necessarily mean anything on election day, and that he wasn’t doing so hot among non whites. I also dared to suggest that Trump might not win this year.

    I was banned once before this, and that was at Mary Sue. I ridiculed safe space in their comment section and I got banned. I scoffed at that because that’s what I expect liberals to do.

    I’ll be insanely depressed if and when Hillary Clinton wins. She might take a few red states. But hopefully his loss will force some of his followers to see the light. I mean some Trumpsters on NRO, Hotair, etc sees NOTHING wrong with Trump. He’s defying all odds and winning yuge.

    lee (55777a)

  83. Remember: Senator McConnell will be 84 years old by the time his current term in the Senate ends, and he’s unlikely to run again. He doesn’t care if he makes an enemy of Donald Trump, because there’s nothing that Mr Trump can do to him.

    The Dana from Kentucky (f6a568)

  84. Mr Nevi wrote:

    Trump’s entire shtik for the last 20 years has been to be lewd, crude, rude and a braggart. The sight of these people pretending not to notice this before now is pathetic.

    What? Gambling in Casablanca? I am shocked!

    They did notice, and, other than the fact that they hated Ted Cruz, they weren’t supporting Donald Trump until it was obvious he’d win the nomination. But we had too many normal candidates, versus one abnormal one, and they helped winnow themselves out. At least Scott Walker got out very early, when he saw he had no chance to win.

    The Dana who supported Carly Fiorina (f6a568)

  85. If it is true that Paul Ryan’s advisor Dan Senor gave the sex tape to the media, the republican party is all over. Such a vile individual this traitor Ryan is.

    mg (31009b)

  86. Mr Bascom wrote:

    I’m still sure Trump is going to win, but I don’t think it will matter in the long run. Our country is a pack of neutered scolds about to be overrun by barbarians for lack of any masculine fortitude whatsoever. For the first time in my life I’m embarrassed to be an American. This has become a country of ball-less wonders begging for acceptance from the women holding a bloody knife in one hand and their scrotum in the other.

    Mr Trump is plummeting in the polls, his campaign is in disarray, Republicans are completely discouraged, and you are “still sure Trump is going to win?” What gives you such certainty?

    The incredulous Dana (f6a568)

  87. hoar kept me out of moderation. {for now}

    mg (31009b)

  88. McConnell? Now u r using McConnel to back ur position?
    That’s crazy, man. McConnell is a liberal. The only positive thing for him
    after 2016 is he moves from being Reid’s whipping boy to Chuck Schumer’s.

    jb (c3b5b1)

  89. GOPe = pu$$ies. Would not want their resolve in a foxhole.

    gbear (70736b)

  90. If a member of team rino tried jumping in my foxhole I would beat him with a shovel.

    mg (31009b)

  91. If only the GOPe had taken these words to heart regarding the people who elected them:

    Loyalty

    If you work for a man, in heaven’s name work for him. If he pays you wages which supply you bread and butter, work for him; speak well of him; stand by him, and stand by the institution he represents. If put to a pinch, an ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness. If you must vilify, condemn, and eternally disparage, resign your position, and when you are outside, damn to your heart’s content, but as long as you are part of the institution do not condemn it. If you do that, you are loosening the tendrils that are holding you to the institution, and at the first high wind that comes along, you will be uprooted and blown away, and will probably never know the reason why.
    Elbert Hubbard
    http://www.birdsnest.com/hubbard.htm

    gbear (70736b)

  92. jb wrote:

    That’s crazy, man. McConnell is a liberal.

    In 2013, Senator McConnell received a 100% rating from the American Conservative Union. Alas! In 2010, he received only a 96% rating from the ACU.

    Since becoming Majority Leader, he has had to make some strategic votes for parliamentary procedure purposes. But, I s’pose that having to actually run the Senate and sometimes compromise with a Democratic President rather than shutting down the government constitutes liberalism to some people.

    The Dana who grew up in Kentucky (f6a568)

  93. a 100% rating

    where are the results

    lol

    it’s easy to be conservative when all you do is poop poop poop out you gimp-ass kentucky butt

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  94. Mr Feet asked:

    a 100% rating

    where are the results

    The results are in the 2012 Presidential election: the Republicans don’t have veto-proof majorities, and unless you think that the GOP has won previous government shutdowns, you have to realize that compromise with President Obama has been a requirement.

    The Dana who voted for Mitch McConnell when he lived in the Bluegrass State (f6a568)

  95. Wave indicator or example of the epic ticket-splitting our host seems to prefer?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/300285-poll-gop-senator-takes-lead-in-key-senate-race

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  96. the Senate race here is kind of amusing. Republican incumbent Pat Toomey is pretty much of a free trader, so the Democrat, Katie McGinty, is attacking him on the same issues on which Donald Trump is running, opposition to the Trans-Pacific partnership.

    Of course, if all the information you had was their respective television ads, you’d think that the only reason to vote for Mr Toomey is that he isn’t Mrs McGinty, and the only reason to vote for Mrs McGinty is that she isn’t Mr Toomey.

    I voted for Mr Toomey in his 2004 primary against Senator Arlen Specter, and in the general election in 2010; I’ll be voting for him again in four weeks.

    The Dana in Pennsylvania (f6a568)

  97. Mr Bascom wrote:

    I’m still sure Trump is going to win, but I don’t think it will matter in the long run. Our country is a pack of neutered scolds about to be overrun by barbarians for lack of any masculine fortitude whatsoever. For the first time in my life I’m embarrassed to be an American. This has become a country of ball-less wonders begging for acceptance from the women holding a bloody knife in one hand and their scrotum in the other.

    I have to wonder: if Mr Bascom actually reflects the view of a significant number of Trump supporters, and they are “sure Trump is going to win,” what happens to their mindset when Mr Trump suffers a fairly large defeat?

    Let me guess: they’ll blame it on anybody but their own flawed candidate!

    The inquisitive Dana (f6a568)

  98. Toldya.

    Clinton’s win in the second debate was decisive. Forty-two percent of those polled said Clinton won the Sunday night contest — including 13 percent of Republicans. Just 28 percent said Trump won the debate, held at Washington University in St. Louis. But more than eight in 10 people said the contest did nothing to change their mind. Despite Trump’s protests, six in 10 of those polled said CNN’s Anderson Cooper and ABC News’ Martha Raddatz did a good or excellent job moderating the contest.

    Voters also think very little of the candidates after the debate. More than half of those polled said Trump is racist and out of touch with average Americans and 60 percent said he is sexist. Sixty-three percent of voters said Clinton is overly secretive, 55 percent said she was corrupt and 52 percent said she was “extremely liberal.”

    nk (dbc370)

  99. Mr. Trump’s gonna vanquish that piggy no thanks to kentuckybutt and no thanks to slicked-up romney boytoy paul ryan

    he’s not going to forsake us

    but deliver us from piggy

    cause of he’s a plum lolly and a brand new bright red scooter too

    RESPECT

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  100. Well, Trump just dismembered another Corey (from his team) for protesting the RNC’s treatment of … Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. Good heavy you folks are too silly, checking in from gilligan’s island, before the cannibals show up.

    narciso (5492ba)

  102. 104. Interesting. If Kobach gets the “thanks but no thanks” treatment, you will all know the signature stance was a big lie.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  103. The same mcturtle who sold Cruz over a bridge.

    narciso (5492ba)

  104. 100% Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. The more interesting thing is that Stewart is blaming Bossie for his firing, not Trump. “If only Stalin knew what the NKVD is doing”.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. Did you get very wet, narciso? You’re down there with Matthew, Kishnevi and the alligators, I think?

    nk (dbc370)

  107. No not really and the gators passed.

    narciso (5492ba)

  108. I never trust Politico, fwiw, I imagine they can sometimes be correct,

    But my listening to exchanges after the fact were hands down Trump,
    The crowd loved it when he said Clinton would be in jail if he was president,
    because she would have not been given a pass.

    That what’s-it’s-name effect like with the Brexit vote, I am sure many more people are going to vote for Trump than will admit it.
    Who wants to get into an argument with one of the 33% who will vote for Clinton no matter what she does

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  109. Everything depends on events in the world and what is yet to be leaked about both Trump
    and
    Clinton’s emails. There may yet be something revealed that the media can’t hide or spin.

    What you say in private will be shouted from the rooftops (via satellite tv)
    God warned them years ago…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  110. Who wants to get into an argument with one of the 33% who will vote for Clinton no matter what she does

    Well, I got one to admit that Romney was the most decent person in politics since George Washington but she voted for Obama because he’s sexier. 😉

    And this is no joke, I believe half the women who are going to vote for Hillary are doing it out of adoration of Bill and not for her.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. I have to wonder: if Mr Bascom actually reflects the view of a significant number of Trump supporters, and they are “sure Trump is going to win,” what happens to their mindset when Mr Trump suffers a fairly large defeat?

    Let me guess: they’ll blame it on anybody but their own flawed candidate!

    The inquisitive Dana (f6a568) — 10/11/2016 @ 4:59 am

    Let’s keep this article in mind:

    The Ten Stages of Trump Excuse-ism

    Item 1 is: “He didn’t lose”.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  112. Btw re the Baltimore Gazette you have your answer to the previous squirrel, meanwhile red queen seems to be aware of her donors in the gulf, support re the daily called.

    narciso (5492ba)

  113. 40 million pages in 2013, 27 million in charity. Fwiw.

    narciso (5492ba)

  114. Alinsky wins. This is why we can’t have nice things and may not ever again.

    crazy (d3b449)

  115. Specially when you follow the bouncing squirrel.

    narciso (5492ba)

  116. Exactly. Whoever’s behind the Wikileaks dump on Hillary is following the same strategy. Hillary gets what she wants and Putin? gets what he wants. Neither has to show their whole hand to get what they want.

    crazy (d3b449)

  117. crazy, tell me which Alinsky rule(s) your’re talking about, so I can tell you how Trump has used it/them all his life against anybody who miffs him, his more recent and prominent target being Ted Cruz.

    The sucker is being hoist with his own petard.

    nk (dbc370)

  118. I was at my Club last night for a couple hours (That’s all I can take lugging a friggin’ oxygen tank around) and the usual suspects were all there. We had a good meeting and decided how we are going to accommodate the usual holiday charities, parties and food and clothing drives. Then politics broke out. Most of the people present at the time were Republican. With one exception none were voting for Trump. Just a month ago they all were.

    I too have joined the neverTrumpers. I will not vote for Trump. Last night I learned that the unforeseen consequences of encouraging people to not vote for Trump is that once you take away the urgency of a presidential election none even desire to vote at all so it looks like the entire down ticket will loose also. Including state positions. Oh well, tough.

    I too have something I’d rather be doing than going to the polls to not vote for the Republican presidential candidate. Seems Obama did fundamentally transform America. He transformed it to a one party country like China, Cuba and North Korea.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  119. Calls for Trump to quit as a way of helping other races are probably misguided. Many of his core supporters would not show up if that happened.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  120. “I have to wonder: if Mr Bascom actually reflects the view of a significant number of Trump supporters, and they are “sure Trump is going to win,” what happens to their mindset when Mr Trump suffers a fairly large defeat?

    Let me guess: they’ll blame it on anybody but their own flawed candidate!”

    Well, admittedly my candidate is flawed, unlike the Cruzers who backed the Devine candidate, and if he doesn’t win I will handle it the same as those after the last election that were sure mr inevitable would win.

    As for blame, I will blame the Hillary voters of course. I will have suspicions the proggs cheated, because that’s what they do. Lots of dead and illegal democrat voters out there.

    Then I’m going to hunker down, and watch the world go to sh!t.

    LBascom (1ec93b)

  121. nk, Trump uses the rules tactically while Hillary uses them strategically.

    crazy (d3b449)

  122. Better if they don’t show up. Even now, as things stand, I expect that they will vote for Trump and “punish” the “cucks” by voting for the Democrat. Because that’s how they roll. Right, mg?

    nk (dbc370)

  123. 125.nk, Trump uses the rules tactically while Hillary uses them strategically.

    Wrong. Trump uses the rules tactically while Killary ignores them with impunity.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  124. Heh, crazy! True. Very true. Hillary wrote her college paper on Alinsky. On this front, he’s a hot-rodder and she’s a NASCAR driver.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. Rev Hoagie, #118-121 was about Alinsky’s rules for radicals being used strategically by Hillary and the dems to get the race they want. Meanwhile whoever’s behind the Wikidumps is doing the same to Hillary. She’s pwned Trump and they’ve pwned her.

    crazy (d3b449)

  126. I have voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election since 1980. For some of the candidates, I was enthusiastic, while others — think Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008 — not so much, but I saw all as preferable to the Democrat. I have voted for a Democrat in a major race only a couple of times, the most notable being Doug Wilder in the 1989 Virginia gubernatorial race, because the Republican, Marshall Coleman, was a complete [insert slang term for the rectum here], and I always for a fairly special reason for pulling the lever for an individual Democrat.

    For me to refuse to vote for the Republican presidential nominee says a lot about what kind of man person that nominee is. I supported first Scott Walker, and then Carly Fiorina, in the primaries, but I could have voted for any of the other fourteen candidates, some with pride and some kind of meh!, but I cannot, and will not, vote for Donald Trump.

    It takes a pretty rotten Republican presidential candidate to lose a voter like me. As a solidly Republican friend of mine put it, there was no way he could vote to put Donald Trump’s finger on the nuclear button. That isn’t my particular concern, but I still find him wholly unacceptable.

    About the only glimmer of light in this whole election is that Hillary Clinton is in such poor health that there’s a decent chance that she’ll just flat drop dead soon.

    The solidly Republican Dana (f6a568)

  127. I have never seen anything like this, but will never not vote for someone running against ma satan and paul ryan.

    mg (31009b)

  128. The best strategic and tactical figure in the 2016 Presidential campaign is Putin. The creation of the illusion of wide support for Trump via social media was crucial in February-March and resulted in a ‘can’t lose’ proposition by placing two POS candidates on the ticket. The social media tactic couldn’t have worked without the talk radio babblers screaming into their megaphones as accompaniment but Putin had their gauge from the start.

    Our next POS POTUS will be starting from a much weaker position than the current one wrt public support.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  129. crazy, I was being sarcastic. What does pwned mean or did you misspell owned?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  130. I am still going to vote anti-Clinton by voting Trump.

    So, lots of women will vote for Hillary out of Stockholm syndrome by proxy???
    Sounds about right, and very sad.

    Trump is the same Trump he was months ago when he called his wife a nice piece of a**,
    why the change of heart now?

    If an email gets released about sacrificing the people in Benghazi to hide the arms transfer deal,
    That might get some traction
    or an email from her doctor about her health, etc.

    If they are purposefully planning for greatest effect,
    the worst will come out the week before the election, I figure.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  131. Our next POS POTUS will be starting from a much weaker position than the current one wrt public support.

    Not after the complete meltdown and dissolution of the Republican Party she won’t. She will have zero coherent opposition at all. She will have all the levers of government, the media, entertainment, education and now even sports covering her back. For all intents we will have a one party system.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  132. Wanting the Dem VP candidate means you want a leftist disaster who is not as greedy and corrupt,
    that is all.

    I don’t think Trump will use the nuclear option over a trivial matter,
    that, imo, is just a giant squirrel.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  133. What the good Rev. said.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  134. Rev Hoagie. I apologize. I missed that until after I posted especially since I was being sarcastic with the use of pwned to describe how badly each is being dominated by a greater unseen force.

    crazy (d3b449)

  135. I would vote for Trump even if it was only to push it right back into the collective face of the Democrats and the Dems with bylines. How many more cycles of this horsesh*t and being played do people want to contend with?

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  136. Trump may be a horse’s ass but you have to agree with him on one thing: Hillary should be in jail.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  137. I figured it was owned, I’ve made that typo too. Your link showed we all do.

    How many more cycles of this horsesh*t and being played do people want to contend with?

    This will be the last one, Colonel. Once she’s installed and all branches of government brought to heel resistance will become futile. If you fight back the IRS, FBI or Homeland Security will be at your door. First they seize all your assets including property and cash then charge you with a crime and tell you to hire a lawyer. That’s pretty hard when you have no assets to pay him with. Then they offer you a plea so you can take the free lawyer but technically you loose. Oh, they keep your property. Of course you’re now a criminal and entitled to all the benefits of the welfare state and even to vote. The only right you lose is to bear arms. Can’t have that.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  138. If I could be sure that my brother Jared (he’s not really my brother) would succeed in sending alt.beerhat back to Ron Paul and keeping Trump on his meds, I would vote for Trump too. My initial, and still strongest, objection to Trump is the people he appealed to.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. Regardless of where we stand on the choice(s) ahead the 70’s Keep America Beautiful “crying indian” ads pretty much capture how I feel about the mess we’re in.

    crazy (d3b449)

  140. We’re not in a mess, crazy. If you keep your mouth shut, don’t make waves and stay below the radar they will usually leave you alone. For a while at least. Don’t buy a firearm or register to vote anything but democrat, OWN A BLOG, write an editorial (they won’t print it but the “authorities” will come lookin’ for you), attend a non-union or non pro-immigration rally, win money in the lottery or at a casino or make too much money.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  141. The inability of Trump to win at this point could encourage NeverTrumps to vote for him just to register an anti-Hillary vote. They could feel like they’re not really voting for him in any meaningful sense.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  142. crazy (d3b449) — 10/11/2016 @ 6:59 am

    Meanwhile whoever’s behind the Wikidumps is doing the same to Hillary.

    High ranking Administration officials have said that the people behind teh Wikileaks dump are high ranking Russian government officials. (They won’t publicly say it’s got to be Vladimir Putin. And they won’t specifically accuse Russia of any hacks other than the ones designed to help Donald Trump.)

    Donald Trump is trying to say maybe it could be somebody else, because he doesn’t want to answer the question as to why Vladimir Putin is supporting him. Hillary Clinton wants to suggest it’s because of foreign policy, and that Donald Trump is favorable to Russia because of (mostly imaginary) business interests. More logical would be that Putin has bought someone who suggested his advisers, and some of his advisers.

    Hillary Clinton is perfectly capable of making a deal with Vladimir Putin after the election. Or they can go toe to toe. And then maybe make a deal, if she can find away to cover up what she’s doing.

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)

  143. My initial, and still strongest, objection to Trump is the people he appealed to.

    nk (dbc370) — 10/11/2016 @ 8:04 am

    That’s been obvious all along. You’re far from the only one. Beldar criticized me for presuming to read people’s minds when I said that.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  144. ryan and mcconnell are the type of republicans that would make me stay home on election day. If you vote for them and they win, you get democrat policies and spending, but, it would be your fault.

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  145. No, Gerald A. NeverTrump means 3rd party voting is preferable to either of those evil clowns. And by “evil”, I mean evil.

    John Hitchcock (831781)

  146. Item 1 is: “He didn’t lose”.

    From “forwards, and to hell with the Establishment!” to “they stabbed us in the back!” in six months.

    JP (f1742c)

  147. They didn’t break into clintonemail.com. None of the leaks are coming from there. What we’re getting now is John Podesta’s personal e-mail account, which was not on the super secure and impossible to hack personal Clinton server(s)

    I mean, we’re seeing the proof of that. A lot of other places were hacked, but nobody got into the Clinton server. Wikileaks does not have Clinton Foundation e-mail from clintonemail.gov. They kind of pretend to do, but they don’t.

    Absolutely none of the ways e-mail is hacked would work with the super secure Clinton server, except possibly breaking into some user’s machine, and then they’d only get that person’s e-mail.

    No way would a massive download of old e-mail go unnoticed. The system was too small.

    Phishing wouldn’t work because very few fake e-mails would be at all plausible, since nobody knew the e-mail address, and if a link was clicked on, the hacker didn’t know what exact software was being used by the server. And if it started doing anything, Justin Cooper would notice pretty soon.

    And nobody could ever get the password. It was too long and complicated to be vulnerable to a dictionary attack, and there was no backdoor password reset, and the users probably didn’t even know their passwords. Only Bryan Pagliano did, and actually maybe even he didn’t – it was probably randomly set while in voice communication with somebody in New York, and only computers knew the password. Or maybe the devices were specifically linked by action taken in New York. Maybe both.

    Whatever it was, Huma Abedin needed to use Hillary’s Blackberry to access her clintonemail account, and Hillary guarded it very tightly. Maybe she also had a machine, but couldn’t use it at one point.

    Meanwhile, Hillary and Bill are on the take from almost every other dictator in the world. OK, not Iran or North Korea. Mainly even only Persian Gulf states, and an ex-Soviet Republic or two, and could be a country or two in Africa. Who knows where they stand with China right now?

    Sammy Finkelman (0cf810)

  148. Mr A wrote:

    The inability of Trump to win at this point could encourage NeverTrumps to vote for him just to register an anti-Hillary vote. They could feel like they’re not really voting for him in any meaningful sense.

    They can do that better by voting for Gary Johnson. A vote for Mr Trump just gets counted as a vote for a losing candidate, but a large enough surge for a third party candidate tells a greater story.

    Oh, Hillary Clinton still wins, of course, but maybe the GOP finds its way after that.

    The TEA party was just a group of mostly libertarian-leaning Republicans who recognized that the Libertarian Party had too many kooks and nuts to ever be useful, and was just a mechanism of losing, so they worked within the GOP, where they actually had a chance to get some people elected. A big enough surge for Mr Johnson just might persuade some — certainly not all — of the Libertarians that there is a possible meaningful future for them in the GOP.

    The libertarian Republican Dana (f6a568)

  149. Jim wrote:

    ryan and mcconnell are the type of republicans that would make me stay home on election day. If you vote for them and they win, you get democrat policies and spending, but, it would be your fault.

    Senator McConnell is not up for re-election this year.

    Don’t not vote: that’s exactly what the left want! If you can’t stomach your Republican House and Senate candidates, well a lot of places are also voting on their state legislative seats in four weeks. Vote third party if you must, write in a candidate, but not voting at all means that you really don’t count.

    The Dana from Kentucky (f6a568)

  150. The TEA party was just a group of mostly libertarian-leaning Republicans who recognized that the Libertarian Party had too many kooks and nuts to ever be useful, and was just a mechanism of losing, so they worked within the GOP, where they actually had a chance to get some people elected. A big enough surge for Mr Johnson just might persuade some — certainly not all — of the Libertarians that there is a possible meaningful future for them in the GOP.
    The libertarian Republican Dana (f6a568) — 10/11/2016 @ 8:52 am

    https://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/ignore-us-at-your-own-peril/

    An article I wrote 6.5 years ago.

    John Hitchcock (831781)

  151. If a member of team rino tried jumping in my foxhole I would beat him with a shovel.

    Hell, you’d beat any member of team sane.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  152. Don’t give up hope, Rev.

    There may yet be such an incredibly obvious email leak that Clinton will finally get exposed.
    Like the new leak of the German intelligence report of how terrible crime had become because of immigrants.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  153. But, I s’pose that having to actually run the Senate and sometimes compromise with a Democratic President rather than shutting down the government constitutes liberalism to some people.

    Some people expect individual Senators to change laws, and fly using magic beans.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  154. I thought the Tea Party, of which I considered myself part of, was for:
    stop spending money we don’t have
    people in Congress should read what they are voting on before they vote on it.

    I thought that was a pretty reasonable beginning.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  155. I didn’t screen campaign contributions for legality and pass out palm cards in front of polling places in order to sit out this election. There’s a contested Senate race and State’s Attorney’s race which are important to me. I might even vote for the Water Reclamation District Commissioners. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  156. The inability of Trump to win at this point could encourage NeverTrumps to vote for him just to register an anti-Hillary vote. They could feel like they’re not really voting for him in any meaningful sense.

    No, we’ll vote for Johnson as we’d always planned. He can’t win either, but the message is clearer.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  157. i think we should all pray for guidance on what to

    Jesus is super smart he’ll know what’s best and if he says for us to do the pig all up in it then so be it on erf as it is in heaven and we can have bread every day

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  158. MD, that and maybe stop making stupid new laws and start repealing stupid old ones.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  159. dana #96: that’s a sad rationalization.
    Hmmmm…. wonder how many times the govt has been shut down…..

    jb (c3b5b1)

  160. I won’t vote for Trump, but I wound never not vote. I don’t understand the idea of abstaining out of spite. You might consider that the failure of everyone to support Trump isn’t anyone’s fault but Trump’s (and the people who thought having a nasty blowhard phony as a candidate was a good idea).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  161. Jesus is super smart

    Then why did He let this gonif be our nominee?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  162. Ford (F) – The US auto giant is closing its Mustang factory in Michigan for a week after US sales for the vehicle plunged 32% in September. The plant, located in the city of Flat Rock, employs 3,702 workers.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  163. Not to worry, the UAW contract says if you lay someone off, you have to pay them 90 percent of their pay.

    John Hitchcock (831781)

  164. i do not know the answer to that

    me personally

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  165. The writing was on the wall when Chrysler brought out two-door Chargers and Challengers. And the Camaro is almost as pretty as the ’69 model.

    nk (dbc370)

  166. Not to worry, the UAW contract says if you lay someone off, you have to pay them 90 percent of their pay.

    John Hitchcock (831781) — 10/11/2016 @ 9:34 am

    I thought that was removed from the GM and Chrysler contracts as part of UAW concessions during the bankruptcies. Maybe it was taken out of Ford’s as well.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  167. I don’t like the new Camaro. I like mine, lookin’ like a wedge and cutting through the air. But I won’t buy a brand new Government Motors car, even if 5/9s of the company is owned by the UAW (like that makes it more appetizing… not).

    John Hitchcock (831781)

  168. I honestly don’t know, Gerald. It was a suicidal agreement to put that in the contract in the first place. But the UAW had a lot of power. Now, with Meatchicken going R2W, perhaps the UAW has lost a lot of its power (with the notable exception of GM).

    John Hitchcock (831781)

  169. Mr A wrote:

    The US auto giant is closing its Mustang factory in Michigan for a week after US sales for the vehicle plunged 32% in September. The plant, located in the city of Flat Rock, employs 3,702 workers.

    A week long shutdown simply means that Ford is trying to reduce on-hand inventory. They’ll be back producing Muskrats soon enough.

    The whole ‘muscle car’ segment is down: Camaro and Dodge Challenger sales have slumped worse than those of the Mustang.

    The businessman Dana (f6a568)

  170. Mr M asked:

    Jesus is super smart

    Then why did He let this gonif be our nominee?

    The wages of sin are death, and while Jesus tells us not to sin, he doesn’t stop us from doing so, and now the wages must be paid.

    The Catholic Dana (f6a568)

  171. Well it’s not just muscle cars.

    The third-quarter earnings season got off to a grim start Tuesday with Alcoa Inc. reporting weaker-than-expected numbers and the pace of sales and profit warnings from others continuing apace.

    Alcoa AA, -10.30% missed profit and sales estimates and said revenue fell at its fastest-growing segment, which it’s preparing to spin off. The stock tumbled about 10%, which put it on track for the biggest one-day decline in five years, and contributed to the broader downdraft in the stock market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.84% was down about 1%, while the S&P 500 SPX, -0.95% lost 1.1%.

    Expectations were that we will finally get a quarter when we can be confident to say that earning season will give us a number which will make the foundation a little more stronger for the U.S. economy,” said Naeem Aslam, chief market analyst at Thinkmarkets.com. “But the number released from Alcoa was simply just a disaster and has made investors angry who are willing to liquidate their position.”

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  172. The wages of sin are death, but after taxes, dues and contributions, you’ll only end up feeling a little bit unwell.

    nk (dbc370)

  173. Well, you guys started it. Jesus had no interest in politics.

    nk (dbc370)

  174. Nobody knows what the future will bring, Gerald A, but I’ve been maintaining a cash position by the close for months. I have an uneasy feeling and I can’t shake it. I can make money doing short term turn-arounds (day trades) and feel secure in a cash position at the close. Regardless of who becomes president I think the market is going to have a major contortion (not adjustment since there is nothing to adjust). Of course, it will still be Bush’s fault.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  175. Holt informed us that the economy’s strong in the first debate.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  176. @nk:Jesus had no interest in politics.

    You got that right.

    They came and told him, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere. You don’t favor any individual, because you pay no attention to external appearance. Rather, you teach the way of God truthfully. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them or shouldn’t we?”

    Seeing through their hypocrisy, Jesus replied to them, “Why are you testing me? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.”

    So they brought one. Then he asked them, “Whose face and name are on this?”

    They told him, “Caesar’s.”

    So Jesus told them, “Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were utterly amazed at him.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  177. GUS sez:

    Pussiterico is READY FOR RODHAM!!!! Right PU$$ITERICO???

    and also:

    Why are “CONSERVATIVES” such as PUSSATERICO, running for the po$$ibility of CA$H right now??
    Patterico is a loser and a fraud. Like most CASH-CENTRIC pretend CONSERVATIVES, it’s all calculated to the BOTTOM LINE.
    Patterico is a complete and utter PU$$Y.

    And SHE knows it.

    GUS,

    I have searched for a reason why I would keep you around after you said these things.

    I did not come up with one.

    Good-bye.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  178. it’s cause of what he said huh

    like what happened to billy boo boo

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  179. Has GUS ever been seen in the same room with MARIO G. NITRINI III?

    Just asking.

    Patterico (bcf524)


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