This is great and very compelling — right up to the time that you realize the alternative is Hillary Clinton.
Still, a nice reminder of one of the many, many reasons to despise Donald Trump.
Damn. this ad from Clinton pic.twitter.com/8DsVOUk7s7
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Yah. Our veterans deserve better, and Sir Hillary is just the b**ch to do it. Sure.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/18/2016 @ 12:33 pmif the alternative is to adulate a cowardly disgrace like John McCain then my goodness
what a wretched packet of stale crisps we’ve found to accompany our meager dinner this evening
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/18/2016 @ 12:50 pmJohn McCain is a traitor who should have been imprisoned … and might have been if not for family connections.
How in Hell can you criticize anyone for criticizing John McCain’s POW service? The man is excrement. The DEMOCRATS would be right to criticize the GOP for nominating that scum!
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 12:54 pmHey,happy, where did you serve and how many medals do you have? Effing armchair hero.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 12:56 pmHell, John McCain should be arrested now and die in prison. President Trump should see to it.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 12:57 pmAlthough this is a first for this blog — posting campaign commercials for the Dems. I get that you don’t see a choice in this race, and every time I think I might be able to vote for Trump his supporters talk me out of it (as Denver Guy did already this AM), but really!?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:00 pmJohn McCain should be arrested now and die in prison
Donald Trump should be arrested now for tax evasion and die in prison. I have as much evidence as you you.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:01 pm*you do
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:02 pmReally, Kevin M, liar: You have an audio of Trump talking about committing tax evasion, like we have an audio of John McCain committing treason?
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:05 pmI have my own agenda Mr. M
and for this they do not bestow medals I’m afraid
yet one must soldier on
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:05 pm“This is great and very compelling — right up to the time that you realize the alternative is Hillary Clinton.”
Some apparently need a stopwatch to realize that. Others were “hipped to that”… shout out to PeeWee Herman… several months ago.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:12 pmPatterico, historically Mr. Feet dumps all over soldiers and veterans.
Don’t take my word for it. Do a search.
I can’t explain Denver Guy and his venom.
But Patterico, you had to know this would happen.
Maybe you are trolling the trolls? To get them to show their nastiness?
Such ugliness from these folks.
Simon Jester (48bda7) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:16 pmDenver Guy,
You are a total dirtbag.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:18 pmJohn McCain got the hell beaten out of him weekly for 5 1/2 yrs. They probably told him if he didn’t record that propaganda video that they would execute one of his fellow POWs.
Probably because I respected McCain; he turned out to be a traitor, and hid the fact—aided greatly by his family connections.
Plus he’s a war monger.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:22 pmDenver Guy is a Mongo.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:25 pmDenver Guy,
You are a traitor — to human decency.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:36 pmThe Happy Feet character is one of the few creatures in the universe more repulsive than Trump.
Stupid, illiterate, and with a permanent fixation on excretory functions. There’s a 92 percent chance he has a Saul Goodman-type lawyer and is livin’ large on a fake disability claim.
Brian (561ab1) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:39 pmIt’s like the presidential election of 2008 didn’t even happen.
MayBee (a7822d) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:41 pmCan’t wait to see more Hillary videos posted here.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:42 pmSo here’s the thing.
All the nastiness, stupid nicknames, accusations….
These things, in general, change no minds.
It’s just about getting other nasty people to say “me, too.” Everyone else just waits for the nonsense to stop. Or ignores the metaphorical dumps taken on Patterico’s carpet.
No minds changed. No toughness displayed. More polarization.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 1:43 pmAs awful as it was for John McCain to captured and tortured, that experience does not confer a halo upon him. It does not absolve him of being in the Keating Five, or for sponsoring McCain-Feingold, or being a terrible candidate in 2008.
Of course it was stupid for Donald Trump to say what he did. Trump says a lot of stupid things. And he deserves to take heat for them.
But I’m not sure that Hillary deserves free exposure from Patterico for her campaign ad. Her criticism of Trump does not make her any less of a fascist or any less corrupt or absolve her of any of her many crimes while in government.
#NeverTrump does not need to be the same thing as #I’mWithHer. Criticism of Trump isn’t, but running Hillary’s ads for her though…
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:01 pm=yawn=
This is Mission Control:
We are E-minus 52 days or so and counting to the successful completion of Project Trump; the mission to place the first American businessman in the White House.
As entry interface begins, the trajectory of the vehicle will pass through a super-heated atmosphere generating frictional heating up to thousands of degrees. Technicians predict sparks will fly.
We have polled all controllers on console and remain in a ‘go’ condition and on track for a November 8 splashdown in the Reflecting Poll near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Formal celebrations remain scheduled for the afternoon of January 20, 2017.
This is Mission Control.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:05 pmTrump should do an ad of WWII vets watching a report on the VA under Obama.
MayBee (a7822d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:06 pm#NeverTrump does not need to be the same thing as #I’mWithHer
And yet so many people make that claim.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:08 pmThis is a problem. You Trumptards are going to have to deal with it. As much as I want McCain
to go away, he’s a bonafide hero. Attention to citation.
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=23680
Got that, Trumptards?
McCain was a hero before he was captured. This is now your problem. Call me names.
I’m not a McCainfan. But I can’t deny he pressed the attack. There is no slack in light attack. Goddamne he did his part. what happebed later was, well, later.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:16 pmSimon Jester,
I loved how last weekend Yoda told me (and a couple others) that we were Nazi bastard pieces of sh*t.
He also dropped the f-bomb on us.
I may have missed it, but I don’t recall any of the #NeverTrumpers reprimanding Yoda for lack of virtue, demeanor, or adherence to community standards.
They saw it, but they chose to pass it by.
Presumably because it wasn’t their ox that was being gored — do you think that was the reason?
In other words, if the concern is for “demeanor,” then let’s blow the whistle both ways. But if it’s really just about blowing the whistle on the other intramural team, then can we be honest about that?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:17 pmMost ironic thing about this is that Hillary hates and despises American soldiers and always has.
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:17 pmI am a service connected disabled veteran. John McCain has my respect for his time as a POW. His time as a politician deserves only contempt. He and Hillary are twins.
highpockets (1bc474) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:19 pmDear Gabriel:
Um.
First, that is sort of up to Patterico.
Next, I can think of all kinds of people who write horrific things that they post in the comments section here, and Patterico doesn’t take them down. Nor does he agree with them.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:19 pmCS, I have made my thoughts on this very clear. I do not support anyone being called foul names.
The best measure? Do you think the person would say that to another person’s face?
I think there are a lot of tough people here who would be quite different face to face.
None of us are perfect. And it is not my blog.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:22 pmDear Steve57: I have not been in the service, and you have. But you expressed precisely my feelings on this issue. It’s possible to dislike what a politician does while honoring their service.
But someone who hasn’t been in that cockpit calling McCain a “coward”? That’s kind of a definition of cowardly.
Again, you can honor him and not care for his politics.
Wasn’t George McGovern quite a decorated flier during WWII?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:27 pmI guess it all depends on your definition of what a hero is. In these days of high esteem special snowflakes expecting a trophy for participating, the bar is pretty low. I mean, many think a millionaire that plays a game for a living is a hero for not respecting the national anthem, go figure.
In the traditional sense, hero’s were someone that gave, or at least risked, their life for another, or for a higher purpose. In that regard, I guess a loose interpretation would make anyone that joined the military a hero, and some do. Some even extend the idea to firefighters and cops. OK, in that context McCain is a hero.
Personally, I don’t extend the honor that far; it tends to make the distinction less honorable. I mean, I think we can all agree not all soldiers, cops, or firemen are heroic. A guy that throws himself on a grenade to save his buddies, heroic. A guy that gets shot down and captured by the enemy, not so much.
I think that is where Trump was coming from, and I agree.
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:28 pm@Simon:First, that is sort of up to Patterico.
Never said it wasn’t. Just saying posting a Hillary ad is going way beyond just criticizing Trump and well into working for Hillary. And that’s his free choice. Perhaps he’s so indignant about Trump that he doesn’t think of it that way.
Especially considering how the ad is entirely “feelz”. Vote against Trump because he made this vet cry. Jesus. Vote against Trump or we’ll kill this cute puppy.
Some alternatives:
WWII vet watching video of Ambassador Stevens’ corpse being dragged through the streets of Libya.
WWII vet watching video of John Kerry, the current successor to Hillary at State, say far worse things about vets than Trump ever did.
WWII vet watching video of McCain calling his wife a c**nt in public.
Those videos, like these, would be content-free feelz.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:29 pmDid Joel Sollender ever boycott or picket CBS? Did he destroy all his Bing Crosby records in 1965?
Has Hillary Clinton returned big dollar donations to entertainment conglomerates backing her which air repeats of ‘Hogan’s Heroes’ worldwide and demanded the show be taken off the air?
Bing Crosby Productions produced ‘Hogan’s Heroes,’ from 1965 to 1971.
And yes. Der Bingle was a Republican.
“Klink? Who iz diz man?”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:29 pmLearn to read.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:31 pmI am officially 100% disabled due to hearing loss. I don’t know how this is supposed to work. I think that somehow this entitles me to petition for an extra couple of hundred bucks per month. Dunno.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:32 pmAnd Gabriel: before you start whining about my tone, realize I’m being charitable.
Because the alternative is that you did read the post carefully, meaning your comment is a deliberate misrepresentation of the tenor the post. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:33 pmMcCain was a hero before he was captured. This is now your problem. Call me names.
But as Trump would have it, he should have shot his way out of enemy territory.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:33 pmCruz Supporter 26,
It is my understanding that Yoda was upset over a friend’s death. If he returns, it would be nice if he would apologize but I will cut him some slack this one time – as I would for you and your fellow Trump supporters if that happend tO you. But it isn’t a one-time thing for some people, is it?
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:34 pm@Patterico:Learn to read.
I read just fine, thank you. You posted a Hillary ad. I know you said something negative about her as well. I don’t think that makes up for it. You could simply have verbally described it.
I also read were you said you’re planning to vote against down-ballot Republicans who “support Trump”. What that means, if that’s a failure to disavow Trump after he’s already got the nomination through the primaries, or if they have to do more than that, you never said exactly.
I think your Trump opposition, principled as it is, could use some recalibration.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:35 pm@34. Postscript. And for the benefit of the uneducated, ‘Hogan’s Heroes’ was a ‘comedy’ set in a Nazi POW camp– so popular that ran for nearly six years on American television– piped into the homes of thousands of WW2 era vets.
Memo to Hillary: Try bigotry next time. And we’ll bring up the incredibly popular fellow known as ‘Archie Bunker’ — welcomed into American homes every Saturday night for years.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:35 pmKevin M,
Several websites have repeated thus story about McCain. Many say that McCain should have killed himself instead of submitting to propaganda. That is cold.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:36 pmred queen was likely the sort, remember she thought that alex rackley was right to be murdered by the panthers, who thought that mccain was a war criminal, just speculating here,
maverick endured great hardship, but more than denton, day, stockdale et al, he used that experience as a shield, to push against the first amendment, for syrian rebels, against aggressive interrogation, and of course his greatest betrayal,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:36 pmI’ll go ahead and spell it out in case it’s not clear:
When the blog post says:
“This is great and very compelling — right up to the time that you realize the alternative is Hillary Clinton.”
And a commenter claims that the post demonstrates an “#I’mWithHer” attitude and says the blog host is running the video “for” Hillary Clinton…
…then the commenter is not telling the truth. Either he is lying, or he has a problem with reading comprehension.
When you have to misrepresent a post in order to take issue with it, you’re losing the argument, and shaming yourself in the process. Please don’t do that again.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:37 pmThen you’re being deliberately dishonest.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:38 pmWell then, I’m not saying #ImWithHer or running the ad “for” then, am I, Gabriel?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:38 pmYou better learn to “make up for” having inappropriate opinions, Patterico. Trump and his minions don’t care for free speech.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:39 pmThank you for your opinions about my opinions. But I happen to think my opinions are just fine. So your thoughts about my need to recalibrate are noted and rejected.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:40 pmI’m choosing to assume, Patterico, that you have cross-posted. I do not fault your intentions.
See here @37, where I say, “I think your Trump opposition, principled as it is, could use some recalibration.”
I Would not have said what I did if you merely described the video. The video is content-free emotional propaganda. It has no effect if it is not watched. I do not think it was wise of you to post the video on your own blog.
It is, of course, your own blog, post as many Hillary ads as you like, for any reason or none.
Just saying, again, I think your Trump opposition, principled as it is, could use some recalibration.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:40 pm@DRJ:Trump and his minions don’t care for free speech.
Yeah, you won’t find anything I’ve said against free speech. I have more than once been the target of calls for bannination here.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:41 pmI managed to qualify with the shackeldy crap they were equipping aircrew.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:42 pmI said “support.” I have a years-long history of refusing to equate “support” with “refusal to disavow.” If someone says they “support” Trump, they aren’t getting my vote. If they say they will reluctantly vote for him but will evaluate his proposals based on whether they are consistent with principles of limited government, they will get my vote.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:42 pmI think Gabriel Hanna’s opinions are too emotional and damage conservatism. His comments are not helpful to the cause. His comments need to be recalibrated so they aren’t as informative or effective.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:42 pm@Patterico: So your thoughts about my need to recalibrate are noted and rejected.
Here let it lie. I am not, however, the only commenter to express some dismay about this, and some of the others who have are much closer to your opinions on this than I am.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:43 pm@25- McCain did his job. He’s got balls to press the attack, no doubt, but is that heroic?
Say he didn’t do his job, decided the defences were too stiff, and turned back. What would have happened to him? He wouldn’t be flying anymore missions I wager, and probably would have been demoted if not thrown out of the navy, because when he took the job that was the expectation.
Now take the example of the guy throwing himself on the grenade. No one expected him to do that. If he would have thrown himself out the door instead, he would have got no criticism, probably a handshake and congrats on surviving, and he would have gone on doing his job with no hero status.
Again, I think it goes to what you think a “hero” is.
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:43 pm@DRJ:His comments need to be recalibrated so they aren’t as informative or effective.
Weren’t you just accusing pro-Trump people of being against free speech?
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:44 pmYou don’t understand free speech if you want someone to recalibrate what they say because it’s not helpful to your goals.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:44 pm@LBascom:Again, I think it goes to what you think a “hero” is.
McCain is a hero I think, for what he endured and why he endured it. Doesn’t make up for what he’s done since then.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:45 pmTo be clear, I was being sarcastic. it’s also clear you weren’t.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:45 pm@DRJ:You don’t understand free speech if you want someone to recalibrate what they say because it’s not helpful to your goals.
That’s your intepretation of what I said. It’s not what I said, and not what I meant by it.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:46 pm@31- Wasn’t George McGovern quite a decorated flier during WWII?
Yep. JFK was a decorated WW2 hero as well.
“Questioner: How did you become war hero Mr, Kennedy? JFK: It was involuntary. They sank my boat.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:47 pmYou have apparently failed to fully process my oft-repeated statement that I do not care which of these cretins wins.
If the Trump people post a video that packs a punch against Hillary, I’ll run that — with a disclaimer that the only problem is that Trump is not a fit alternative.
Wisdom doesn’t enter into it. In my view, promoting either of these weasels isn’t wise. And I’ll happily run down both of these people, as strongly as I can, whenever it amuses me. It is in pursuit of a goal: showing how badly the electorate messed up.
This is a great video that packs a wallop — right up until the time that they use it to advocate a vote for Hillary Clinton. So, I ran it with that caveat.
Then I had a commenter suggest that I was promoting Hillary Clinton by doing so. The commenter surely realizes that was an error by now, but as is customary on the Internet, that commenter will never apologize because Internet. I’m used to that after running this blog for over 13 years.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:48 pm@DRJ: I certainly did not demand that Patterico retract one word that he posted, nor did I demand he take the video down. I did not ask that he do either of those things. I certainly did not call on anyone else to force him to do them.
Rather, I said what I thought about what he posted. Which is usually one reason there are comments on a blog.
I see that my expression is disagreeable to you, fine. But it makes no sense to accuse me of being against free speech.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:48 pmYou wanted Patterico to “recalibrate” by p,resenting his argument in a different and less effective way, because by offering Hillary’s video he might help her cause and hurt Trump. Right?
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:49 pm@Patterico: I apologize for telling you that I thought you were promoting Hillary without meaning to.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:50 pmYou may not like it but that is you advocating against free speech, Gabriel.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:50 pmWe really need to see the video from the security cameras of Maudie’s collapse last Sunday.
Where is it? Now THAT would make a swell commercial…. for Perrier and Tylanol.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:51 pm@DRJ: You wanted Patterico to “recalibrate” by p,resenting his argument in a different and less effective way, because by offering Hillary’s video he might help her cause and hurt Trump. Right?
No.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:51 pm@DRJ:You may not like it but that is you advocating against free speech, Gabriel.
Then you are against free speech for criticizing mine, or anything that Donald Trump says.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:52 pmGabriel,
I guess the question is whether you are a) criticizing the fact that I have no preference between Hillary and Trump, or b) suggesting that I moderate my expression of that opinion because it is helpful to the candidate you personally least prefer.
Either way, suggesting that I was actively promoting Hillary in this post was misleading — and if this were not the Internet but a face-to-face conversation, and you were a minimally polite person, you would have apologized ten minutes ago.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:53 pmThere is some cross-posting going on, obviously. I just saw this. Thank you.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:53 pmWhat you’re apologizing for is not exactly what you did, but I won’t quibble. I’ll just accept it.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:54 pmWhen you get to the point that the best way to support your candidate is to tell people not to show and discuss videos, you’re in trouble. The good news for Trump supporters is that Hillary fans have to do it, too.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:55 pm@Patterico: Neither a) nor b) is what I was trying to say. But having apologized, I do not any longer wish to go into what I was trying to say. It would defeat the purpose of apologizing.
you would have apologized ten minutes ago.
These discussions do not happen in real time; but do note that your original accusation was that commenter will never apologize because Internet.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:55 pm@Patterico:What you’re apologizing for is not exactly what you did
What I apologized for was what I meant. How you took it is not exactly what I meant. But there let it lie.
I’ll just accept it.
Thank you. The cross-posting makes it harder.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:57 pmYou don’t get it. You want Patterico to present his opinions in a different way. I want to discuss your opinions as you expressed them, and ditto for Trump and his opinions. It’s interesting to see this. It helps me understand why Trump is so clueless about free speech.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:58 pmA comment like that is kind of defeating the purpose of apologizing. My comment was made because you should already have apologized, from the very moment I called you on it. Yes, the argument appears re-opened — and you can thank yourself and your comment #74 for that. It came too late and it was an apology for something more benign than you actually did. How about we not speak to each other further today?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:59 pm@Patterico:Yes, the argument appears re-opened
Cross-posting. Do keep it in mind. When you read it may not have been when I wrote it.
How about we not speak to each other further today?
If you prefer. Let me, again, apologize without qualification or reservation.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:01 pmAccepted.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:07 pm#44- Patterico, when I read the post, I took your qualifier ” right up to the time that you realize the alternative is Hillary Clinton.”, as sarcasm, as you have been mocking that argument in the past.
Just so I’m getting it straight, are you now saying Hillary would be worse, or are you going with what you said at 62, that you don’t care who wins? It’s a little confusing.
I know you also said in 62 ” It is in pursuit of a goal: showing how badly the electorate messed up.”, which strikes me as a tad prideful. You may be right, but we won’t know how good a president will be until he actually gets the job. Right now such pronouncements are mere fortune telling.
Here is some good reading. A follow-up essay to the Flight 93 article, with a bonus interview of the author. Hope you’ll take the time to read it.
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:12 pmOops, premature posting.
Link: http://amgreatness.com/2016/09/17/an-interview-with-decius/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:13 pmThese kinds of commercials change no minds in 2016– particularly with the young. It’s squirrel feed. And are, in fact, rather pathetic. She’d use an over-the-top doughboy if she could find one– but they’re all dead now.
We’re choosing between the ‘least objectional program’ to let into our living rooms for four years: Dallas or Maude.
I choose Dallas.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:16 pmDRJ, “It helps me understand why Trump is so clueless about free speech.”
I fear it is you a little confused about free speech, as it relates to the 1st amendment.
Free speech is about the government denying speech, not a private concern. If someone tells you to shut up, that no more denies your freedom of speech than if Patterico bans someone from HIS blog.
Now if you call the cops on someone that told you to shut up, that would be you trying to deny free speech, but it actually wouldn’t be a violation of free speech unless the cop actually arrested the person.
I hope this helps…
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:21 pmDon’t care who wins. Same position as always.
Every argument against either one of these clowns tends to ring true, until it is offered as a reason to vote for the other.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:30 pmI never heard you say that before!
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:30 pmLBascom,
I’m sure DRJ appreciates the little primer you just gave her about free speech. I’m even more sure that she has understood that for quite some time. What I’m not sure about, in all honesty, is whether you have fully processed how many of Trump’s positions on free speech stand in opposition to the notion as you have described it. Whether it’s changing libel standards, suing people for the express purpose of ruining their lives for telling truths he doesn’t want people to hear, shutting down the Internet, or any of his numerous other positions, Trump would be a disaster for the First Amendment.
Hillary would be too — but we already expect that from a Democrat. We’re not supposed to expect it from a “Republican.”
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:33 pmYeah, well.
McCain was downed while attacking a well defended target. Are we lesser men for giving him that?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:35 pmI assert that I could do a far better job picking a President than the electorate in general, every time. I suppose that could be termed prideful, but it’s obviously true in my opinion, and I see no reason to be falsely modest about it. It’s not saying that much, to be honest.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:35 pmLet’s place to one side that you’re utterly missing the point that the person in the latter example was, by definition, risking his life for his country, rendering your comment both snide and laughable on its face. Even if we were to accept your silly premise, there is more to McCain’s story than that. Read up on it to avoid embarrassing yourself further.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:38 pm@85- LOL! Trouble is, it’s truly ‘reality TV’ for us all– and that’s just unreal.
Oh well, there’s always ‘Hogan’s Heroes.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:38 pmAnd keep in mind that I really don’t care for John McCain.
By the way, how heroic is dodging military service based on a made-up story about a bone spur?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:39 pmSimon Jester @31, you’re a good egg.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:41 pmyou’ll just encourage him
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:42 pmI was not aware libel laws were against the 1st amendment, nor a private citizen suing another.
I also must have missed his threat to shut down the internet. I’ll have to check that out.
I highly doubt you’re concerns over Trump being a disaster for the 1st amendment are warranted, you have more to fear from universities IMHO. We should all be terrified at what Hillary will do to the 2nd though; as it’s been said, the 2nd amendment is what guarantees the rest of them. Loose that and it’s good nite Sally…
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:47 pmIt’s a risk I’m willing to run.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:48 pm@91- I don’t think Trump is building a political career on playing the hero.
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:51 pm“A guy that throws himself on a grenade to save his buddies, heroic. A guy that gets shot down and captured by the enemy, not so much.”
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:57 pmHow would you characterize someone who volunteered for military service? And a branch which was more dangerous?
“In the traditional sense, hero’s were someone that gave, or at least risked, their life for another, or for a higher purpose.”
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:00 pmSince McCain risked his life over and over, in dangerous missions, your language shows that you have conceded the point although you may not realize it.
By the way, how heroic is dodging military service based on a made up story about a bone spur?
No more than relying on gender to avoid it.
The WACs were still around then and would have welcomed a fresh volunteer, lickety-split.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:05 pmLoosening the libel laws is an anti-fee-speech stance, as are admittedly frivolous libel suits. Go read NYT v. Sullivan and educate yourself as to how the First Amendment is implicated by using government courts to squelch free speech.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:06 pmI get the distinct impression LBascom thinks he knows more about the Constitution generally, and the First Amendment specifically, than DRJ or I do.
It’s a fairly common problem with Trump and his supporters, this whole overestimating their competence thing. I can’t wait until LBascom says “nobody knows more about the Constitution than I do, that I can tell you.”
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:11 pmHe’s the one who chose to question John McCain’s status as a war hero. I’m just making the point that a coward like Trump is among the least qualified people on the planet to offer an opinion on that particular topic.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:13 pmI am currently in penn u. hospital. ha a lung prob. hope i’ll be on my feet by Tuesday. the best to you all.
Rev. Hoagie® (cec431) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:14 pmThank you, Steve57. I have always hated console cowboys on a couch calling McCain a coward. It’s fine to hate his politics.
Simon Jester (63d10e) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:16 pmI don’t chose to characterize maverick that way, there are plenty of ways to disregard him,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:17 pmGet well soon, Hoagie. Best wishes.
Simon Jester (48bda7) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:18 pmprayers for you, hoagie,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:19 pmOn the other hand, McCain has been suckling at the government teet on a government check his entire life- even in the womb- and has never really held a private sector job– not even a paper route as a kid.
‘JR,’ on the other hand, has shown real courage as a high flying capitalist, risking all doing battle in the canyons of New York and around the world, eh?—- especially with other people’s money as well. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:21 pm@103– Hang in there Hoagie. Don’t watch the Emmys– they’ll only make you ill.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:23 pmSorry to hear that, Hoagie.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:25 pmIf you want anything, pat and others have my permission to give you my email.
Hang in there, Hoagie!!! My best to you!
Colonel Haiku (77a37c) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:30 pmMy father was a WWII POW of the Japanese, but I think the fact he knew who and what he was fighting before Corregidor fell is just as important. I’m saddened that some of our WWII veterans can’t travel to see their memorial, but thankful they refuse to be abused in the name of the state under the pretense of security. We’ve fallen far.
Knowing some of the proposed policies, I can’t understand how Mr. Sollender or any WWII veteran can consider voting for either big party candidate.
AZ_Langer (a65cb5) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:41 pm@97- depends on the reason the person joined, but generally I would say patriotic and brave. Not heroic.
@98- read my comments 32& 55, I tried to address these questions. It is not I who called McCain a coward, but there is a lot of room between coward and hero. I think McCain a brave and honorable man, but not a hero. Just my opinion.
@101- Not at all, just another internet dork commenting on a blog, giving my opinion.
You wouldn’t deny me that, would you?
@102- Or would you deny someone the right to their opinion…?
LBascom (c230be) — 9/18/2016 @ 4:55 pmBetter days ahead, Rev.
mg (31009b) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:03 pmWe’ll be thinking about you, Hoagmeister. Be well.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:05 pmGood Luck Hoagie.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:18 pmMy brushes with greatness.
First brush, circa 1991, encouraged by the EOD guys on the carrier, I take the test for diver when we pull into port Cubi Point. Endless cruise ends, I eventually get back to Miramar, and I call the SPECOPS (salvage and EOD) detailer. When do you want me, your most promising swimmer in decades, to show up for my coronation.
The answer is never, as I am the wrong designator. Had I been a qualified surface warfare officer it was possible.
OK, sez I, just getting a little bit angry, if I can’t go SPECOPS I’ll go SPECWAR. Sure, my swim times aren’t competitive, looking roughly like I’m towing Rhode Island against the gulf stream, but I can work on it. And work on it I did, coatamundis be damned (there’s a story) until one fine Sunday I woke up in the Bachelor Officer’s Quarters of what was then Master Jet Base and is now Naval Air Station Oceana with no shoulders to speak of. I was laying there like an iguana, I couldn’t even roll over and get the remote and change the channel, so I was condemned to BET hell
So much for my first Brush With Greatness. My next and last was easier to sum up. I was reactivated (now, there’s a word) shortly after 9/11/2001. Shortly into it the fleet put out the word; they needed a trainer for the Filipino navy and marines at Mindanao. I checked all the blocks, and despite the fact NAVY means Never Again Volunteer Yourself, I rogered up and was promptly slapped down.
No command that claims to need reserver augmentation can ever dare to let one of its reservists go, no matter how dire the need. They’ll never get another. I was given the word, via the chief of staff, with a certain amount of respect, that I was never to do the same thing again.
That’s it. The tales if my heroism.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:20 pm“In the rear with the gear.”
The Steve57 story.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:22 pmDo we seriously have to deal with DSCA again? Remind me, which one was he? The one who owned a fleet of cars, the fellow with oil interests in Qatar, or the one who was buddies with Von Braun?
I miss daleyrocks and JD.
Anyway, I just don’t get it. McCain can be a complete goofus politically, and an extremely brave pilot worthy of respect for that part of his life. Calling him a coward or sniffing about his military record says a great deal about the person doing so. His politics are fair game. The rest of it actually works against the supposed message because of how over the top it is.
Sigh. But that is kind of a Trump move, right? It’s an unforced error. Trump could have easily said how much he respected McCain’s bravery and devotion to fellow soldiers…but that his politics are wrong.
I suspect it doesn’t feed the red meat crowd the way he would prefer.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:27 pmI am also very proud of people with different points of view coming together to wish Hoagie well.
Patterico, I think that several of us would appreciate the opportunity to send him a get well card. Maybe through you?
That is what this comments section is supposed to be like.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:29 pmI’ve made several posts here about how NeverTrumps aren’t voting on issues at all but on disliking Trump and his supporters. I think it actually has more to do with his supporters than Trump himself. Beldar suggested I was claiming to be able to read people’s minds. Nope.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:29 pmDCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:05 pm
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:31 pmThere was a point, Simon Jester, to what I typed. I think it had something to do with, if half of what is in McCain’s Air Medal citation is true, then his critics can blow themselves. In that regard. He still needs to go away. But he did some ba**sy s***. No one can dispute that.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:32 pmSteve57, my father passed away in the Spring, four years after my mother died. He was a retired firefighter.
He led people into burning buildings to save lives for decades. His proudest statement was that he had never lost a firefighter on his watch.
We butted heads a lot when I was growing up. But no matter how angry I was at him or what he said, it never, ever took away from his bravery and devotion to saving lives.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:32 pmDFC, not Air Medal. Sorry.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:33 pmSteve57 #123, I agree completely.
I was reading about some of McGovern’s adventures during WWII. Horrible politician, but quite a flier—almost an aviator.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:35 pm82. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 3:16 pm
Yes they do.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/19/millennials-reject-trump-favor-libertarian-gary-johnson
Just maybe not exactly in the way Hillary wants.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/hillary-clinton-to-court-gary-johnson-supporters-millennial-voters
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:37 pmoddly he probably voted for this guy,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/18/obama-jokes-about-isis-on-same-day-america-gets-bombed-twice/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:49 pmThe situation this nation is in is very, very bad. You either believe that or you don’t. If you don’t think Hillary Clinton is prepared to continue the same, old leftwing policies of Obama – and maybe worse – I question your judgement.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:51 pmSimon Jester, my “hunting uncle,” the man who taught me to hunt ducks and deer, was a battalion chief in a major metropolitan east bay fire department, San Fransisco Bay.
I’m struggling here, because I loved him. But if he wanted to go, as he clearly did, he should have at least left me his ’63 Chevy stepside.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:52 pmIt is absolutely the case that I will not vote for Trump because I despise Trump. As for issues, part of the reason I have such contempt for him is that he is fundamentally so dishonest that I don’t have the slightest idea what policies he would carry out. He is so deeply dishonest that the words that come out of his mouth literally do not matter to me. So how could I possibly vote for him on policy grounds?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:54 pm@127– no, they don’t, Sammy. The custard’s already in the oven.
@122. Hoover and Carter are quite forgetable.
We could qualify it w/’initial elected office’ for Mission Trump… but you catch the drift.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:54 pm@31 Simon Jester
Don’t forget Sen Joe McCarthy, derisively called “Tailgunner Joe”.
Pinandpuller (9007fa) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:57 pmIssues? Will JR screw Cliff Barnes and Sue-Ellen on the same night?
Or will Maude defy Walter and get that face lift?
The electorate will decide which gets their attention November 8.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:59 pm@131. He is a despicable [nay, deplorable] rogue, isn’t he.
Just like JR.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:03 pmwell for reasons that may seem murky, the cops and veterans support him on balance, I can’t derive a conclusion about why, can you?
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:05 pmlike I say, I couldn’t fathom,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/295909-second-philly-police-shooting-in-a-day-teen-shoots-at-cop-over-weed/
although the party that jeered veterans and cops on stage might have something to do with it,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:10 pm@123 Steve 57
McCain could bravely bail out of a shattered airplane but he can’t pull the ripcord on his golden parachute.
And he needs to.
Pinandpuller (9007fa) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:44 pmMcCain was a hero before he was captured
Not quite. Chicken and egg. Not if you’re using his citation as validation. His capture and imprisonment began on 10/26/67. So you’re saying a citation awarded after events is what validates events before same.
So lets save time- the Cubs are World Series winners already.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:54 pmAs for issues, part of the reason I have such contempt for him is that he is fundamentally so dishonest that I don’t have the slightest idea what policies he would carry out. He is so deeply dishonest that the words that come out of his mouth literally do not matter to me. So how could I possibly vote for him on policy grounds?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 5:54 pm
We can have some idea by who his policy advisers are, just for starters. Political self interest is another way we could predict the shape of his policies. For example I can’t imagine him saying he’s going to leave Obama’s illegal alien executive order or coal killing regs in place, based on calculations of the political impact if nothing else.
Appointees make policy to a large extent, as Hugh Hewitt has been pointing out. Do you seriously believe he would appoint the kinds of lunatics to Justice, State, EPA and the hundreds of other appointments to departments and agencies that Obama has and Clinton will?
You’ve at least implied that you don’t think he’d appoint a liberal to SCOTUS. Political self interest would come into play there too. Hewitt thinks a liberal court majority will take control of the next redistricting after the 2020 census.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:55 pmI recall how that laughed at stockdale, when he was ‘the handgrenade with the bad haircut’ runningmate, but as dennis miller reminded us, the wardens at the hanoi hilton, bashed his head in, hence the hard of hearing, the late bud day, jeremiah denton, a host of others who had no need to apologize for their subsequent conduct,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 6:57 pmDo it to it, Rev. I’ve had enough death and disaster this year. I need to see something positive. Get better. We’re pulling for you.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:00 pm@138. So many kids, so many, many lawns and so few days to chase them off.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:05 pmThat’s tough, Hoagie. Sending you best wishes that it’s all good from here.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:08 pmHoagie. Dammit. You’ve ruined all our plans.
Get well soon, you old SOB.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:12 pmGerald A, the last time I heard Trump talk about appointing someone as Secretary of State he said it would be Hillary. He wanted a die hard lefty who makes Ginsburg look like Reagan appointed to the US Supreme Court.
Then he ran for the GOP nomination and acted like he was conning us with the most buffoonish impersonation of a Republican I’ve ever seen. It was there that you got your idea of who is advisers are, but when Trump wasn’t acting, he was to the left of Hillary on almost everything.
I hope this disaster teaches Americans not to put faith in the federal system, and to begin restoring government programs stemming from the lowest level and most accountable level of government possible, with the smallest budget and most minimal reach into our lives. Trump’s ‘Federalize Every Problem’ solution is simply not something I’ll sign up for. Most Americans aren’t thinking about that, but they definitely will be impacted by Trump’s nasty insults to POWs. Great ad for Hillary. Too bad it’s for Hillary and not something worth electing.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:25 pmThe problem with Patterico is that one: He is a member of the bar and also a govt employee and thus a member of the public employee union. Public Defender as I recall. His self interest is based on a continuation of the system that provides for his life-style. Such as it is, which is at the expense of the US taxpayers who work in the private sector. I very much doubt that Patterico feels this way, BUT his union only sees the private sector as a sheep to be sheared, and they do so time after time. That Patterico isn’t responsible for what his union does, well that’s a nice dodge isn’t it?
As a PEU member he has ‘rights’ that non members do not. He wants that to continue. You’d be surprised at how many times a PEU member gets preferential hiring over non PEU members. If your guess is “all the time” you wouldn’t be wrong.
Two: I am curious if Patterico might be protesting a little too much: Trumplies? OK, I’ll stipulate that Trump lied about a bunch of stuff…but I seriously don’t know about it, but granted, I’m just a deplorable, low info voter, sarcasm intended, who loves being one of the few white people at the community health center, and paying full price. How about Obama’s lies? One thing I know is that I couldn’t keep my doctor and I couldn’t keep my plan. BUT PATTERICO KEPT HIS doctor and his plan!!! And Patterico’s plan was supposed to be subject to a ‘cadillac’ tax, but was not, by Obama’s executive order. No doubt Patterico is OK with that. That is lie that Patterico is OK with on a personal level.
At a certain level, Patterico is just another Cuckservative. OH nos! The racism, the homophobia the islamophobia!!! How awful!
Patterico needs open boarders, he wants open boarders. His case load depends on open boarders. And so does his PEU demands for increased salaries. That simple.
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Jack (e5af45) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:34 pmOh good Lord.
Simon Jester (3dbc42) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:40 pmRe: #147
I read through the archives that once upon a time, Patterico did a big deport the criminals first series. Well, Donald Trump wants to do that as a priority. Patterico should be supporting Trump.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 7:49 pm#149
But he won’t support Trump, because losing ala Romney and McCain is what Patterico expects of the Republican nominee. And Patterico knows that his job is to ensure that. As long as he can talk about deporting criminals, but not have any effect, he is golden.
Patterico has a defensive position on the Washington Generals. His job is to lose on the issue, but from time to time, he is allowed to win a case in order to maintain his moral and relevance.
Jack (e5af45) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:10 pmI did not know that, Simon. Hand-over-heart to your father and his proud service.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:13 pmHe will win handily without your help.
He was always likely to.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:29 pmIt isn’t a series of flukes that have let him to victory: it’s his strategic brilliance, deep knowledge, and drive.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:30 pmThank you, Bill H. He was quite a guy.
Simon Jester (3dbc42) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:55 pmJack,
Patterico doesn’t talk himself up, but he actually prosecutes gang members in Los Angeles, often for extremely brutal crimes. He is not a public defender, but I doubt he has contempt for defense attorneys because at heart he is skeptical of government power and believes in checks on government power.
I enjoyed this part of your comment because, of course, Trump has flip flopped to essentially endorsing Obamacare.
Denver Guy, if you’re merely pretending to be a fawning crying fan-girl, your act is hilarious. If you’re serious about this endless praise of Dear Leader with what you called Magnificent Virility the other day, I really hope you seek therapy. Mentally healthy adults simply do not view any politician this way, and that so many of Trump’s fans do this is probably the number one reason I’ll be voting against him rather than just sitting out the election. It’s dangerous.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 8:57 pmYou are a class act, Simon. You class this joint up, sir.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/18/2016 @ 9:09 pmI find it interesting that Jack accepts Trump’s lying and then weaves a series of lies about Patterico, instead of simply making any kind of argument based on reasoning or facts.
It reminds me of how Trump beat Carson and Cruz with slurring and smearing them and their families. At no point did Trump ever actually explain how Carson was a child molester or Cruz was a liar. He simply smeared them over and over, and when it was clear he couldn’t back up his smears, it was too late. The electorate, or at least enough of them, had lapped it up. And Jack here is a good example of why.
Trump is the symptom. People do not think the truth matters. When folks like Jack encounter an argument they dislike, they just smear the person saying it, and hope to silence them. We’ve seen other countries fall into this policy. The Tienanmen Square massacre being a really good example, and every commenter here knows how many times I’ve mentioned Trump praised that atrocity and how Trump fans have given so many unsatisfying defenses.
Dark times ahead for our nation if Trump were to win. I am convinced he will lose, but never say It Could Never Happen Here when we read about history and man’s mistakes. It could. Jack is on board.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 9:12 pmI don’t think we’re getting to luna federation anytime soon,
what we discovered in the primaries is maverick is not shibboleth, running the top men playbook is not guaranteed success, and people are ticked off, because of a quarter century of stagnation and broken promises,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 9:21 pmnarciso, actually what we’ve learned is that the GOP’s primaries are easily manipulated by the media and by the GOP’s hatred of conservative reform. And that the GOP’s primaries typically pick losers.
Reagan won in spite of the process. But both Bush’s lost the vote once, Ford, Romney and Mccain also lost the vote. The GOP’s primaries need fixing, but it’s not going to happen. It’s a shame that the system is so rigged no third party has a chance. If any election justified giving the Libertarian a voice in the debates it’s this one, but nope… the system decides that wouldn’t be acceptable.
There’s no fixing it. A government simply shouldn’t be this large and powerful and once it is, it simply cannot be fixed.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 9:30 pmreally who had the long string of endorsements, it availed them not, (that would the medici, rubio and mailman’s son) those without a discernable machine, lasted longer, what liberty interest has bluntman really supported besides a pass for snowden and colorado gold.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/18/2016 @ 9:36 pmhonesty who had the whimsy list of valenzeti equations, for to know one’s enemies is to be a blunt man indeed, and without gender assumption, besides assange and vince foster have no justice interest for the 49ers who beat the longhorns
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 10:05 pmThe rest of your comment is about as informed as this first sentence.
I do love me some “open boarders” though. My view is, if you’re going to eat my meals, the least you can do is be forthright about why.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:12 pmI find it interesting that Jack can vote.
You go, democracy! No, seriously. You go!
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:14 pmLet’s say both main candidates are liars.
One will appoint more conservative Supreme Court justices. That same candidate supports an immigration policy far closer to yours, and will deport the criminals and slow down importation of people from terrorist-supporting regions.
Why can’t you do the lesser of two evils thing and give the one a chance who will more likely leave a country worth having?
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:24 pmDenver Guy, I think Trump would appoint similar, if not worse, justices. Before his flip flop to GOP primary runner, he even said he’d appoint super left wing justices. And we watch him go back to the left now.
Trump’s immigration policy is Jeb Bush’s at this point. And he’s not done going left.
But there’s so much more to being president, and Trump’s talked about free speech and government power in a way that has convinced me that this election is a choice between a very corrupt woman and a very dangerous and corrupt man.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:30 pmJack, as a lying sack of horse manure you are the quintessential Trumpkin. Good job.
SPQR (a3a747) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:32 pmI assert that I could do a far better job picking a President than the electorate in general, every time. I suppose that could be termed prideful, but it’s obviously true in my opinion, and I see no reason to be falsely modest about it. It’s not saying that much, to be honest.
I would happily live in a country where Patterico picked the President. I would probably disagree with him from time to time, but I don’t think I’d disagree a lot. Pretty sure, for one thing, he would pick himself, or me.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:41 pmI’ve made several posts here about how NeverTrumps aren’t voting on issues at all but on disliking Trump and his supporters.
I don’t think anyone is voting on issues in this election. But why just pointing at #NeverTrumps, who have several candidates to choose among?
What about the #EverTrumps, who will vote for their guy NO MATTER WHAT he says or does. Trump could come out for making Mexico City the US capitol and his supporters would say “What Genius!”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:47 pmI had to stop by for my #Votehillary/#NeverTrump/#Sourgraper to get a daily dose of deliciousness.
It’s all good. One has the responsibility to vote given the dire consequences that face us today.
I only ask that you stop faking with the redefined conservative nonsense and simply pull the lever for Hillary instead of going the indirect way of handing her a win.
You don’t have to worry about your feckless principles and conscience. Going forward there will always be people like me to point out that you have none even if you hadn’t figured it out for yourselves. It’s all good.
Drider (340c7b) — 9/19/2016 @ 12:34 amDrider, I hope you felt the same way about people who sat out 2008 and 2012.
Your good manners and collegiality are noted, as always.
Simon Jester (3dbc42) — 9/19/2016 @ 4:21 amColonel #156: thank you very much. There are some interesting posters here I value, you among them.
Simon Jester (3dbc42) — 9/19/2016 @ 5:03 amDrider, nope. You have no principles. Demonstrated by both your support for a con man and your jealousy-fled rage against those with the simple character not to fall for him as you have.
SPQR (a3a747) — 9/19/2016 @ 6:03 amTrump’s comments now as they were back then were not aimed to denigrate the Senator or veterans of the Vietnam War.
But rather an attack on this media/moron/democrat concept of absolute moral authority which makes it impossible to argue against stupidities like dead presidents involving us in multi-decade land wars in Asia, just because they’re named Kennedy.
Pretending otherwise; exploiting an old man who just wanted a minute of attention for your screwed up political gotcha, makes me wonder what’s wrong with you.
papertiger (82d7e8) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:25 amAnd here we go again.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:31 amYou’re the one lacking principles, SPQR. You put your own ego over your nation and country.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:32 amDenver Guy, you lie a lot.
SPQR (a3a747) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:39 amGood luck, Hoagie. Hope to hear good news from you soon!
I can’t comment on anything else in detail. I’m too convulsed with laughter, thinking about Patterico taking orders from his union boss.
The one thing I’m sure of, regardless of who wins this election, is that the next four years are going to be filled with deeply black, deeply ironic humor. For example, I couldn’t write a fictional version of a Trumpkin that’s nearly as offensive and ill-informed as LBascom. The guy’s a comic gold-mine, and like Trump himself, “over the top” is not a phrase found in his vocabulary, because he’s too busy living it. Denver Guy — er, excuse me, Doctor Denver Guy, with his telepathic ability to diagnose Clinton’s medical conditions over the internet — is only about 80% as funny, but that’s still better than 99% of network TV comedies. The rest of the shills are usually good for at least one groan and grimace, if not a laugh-out-loud yuk-yuk. This new guy, “Jack,” though — he’s Three Stooges funny!
But then there’s Pee Wee Herman of Patterico’s, hatefulfeet: Not funny, even ironically or with black humor, just filled with pus and bile that he insists on slinging here. Hatefulfeet reminds me that this is only black comedy, the comedy of the doomed. My choice is to try to laugh at him, I guess, or break down weeping for the fate of my country in this most disastrous of election seasons.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:08 amAnd then you have Beldar, the Michael Anissimov of Patterico, always trying to start drama, laughed at by even his supporters.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:11 amKevin M (25bbee) — 9/18/2016 @ 11:47 pm
I don’t think anyone is voting on issues in this election.
This is an improvement on your previous story that Bush’s Medicare Part D was not expected to survive the 2004 election (I’m not even sure what that means.
But why just pointing at #NeverTrumps, who have several candidates to choose among? What about the #EverTrumps, who will vote for their guy NO MATTER WHAT he says or does. Trump could come out for making Mexico City the US capitol and his supporters would say “What Genius!”
They’re not voting on issues either. Which makes you their equivalent. I have made clear that I’m opposed to a lot (but not all) of his economic ideas for example.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/19/2016 @ 11:56 am67. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/18/2016 @ 2:51 pm
What – you think there’s some close-ups somewhere, showing this from the front?
And calling her Maudie gives her far, far, too much credit.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/19/2016 @ 12:43 pmIf not Maude, would small-venue Disco Dottie work? I bet you those Presidente beers she is seen chugging in a widely available photo probably were the final straw medically (a bad beer that was the only beer at at all inclusive I spent my honeymoon at).
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/19/2016 @ 1:23 pmSo John McCain was just sitting there in his A-4 Skyhawk, parked, on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal as she steamed off Yankee Station in the Gulf of Tonkin, while conducting strike missions into North Vietnam (footnotes omitted, boldface mine):
This is the kind of scene that Michael Bay spends millions of dollars on special effects to re-create. This is the kind of stuff that Tom Cruise’s Hollywood stuntman gets big bucks to pretend to be facing.
IIRC (please don’t flyspeck this Mr. Finkelman): McCain’s ship and its air wing had to undergo extensive repairs. McCain could have stayed with his wing and left combat in Vietnam. But he volunteered to switch to another wing that was short-handed, aboard the USS Oriskany, from whose decks he was flying an A-4 over Hanoi when he was shot down by a SAM. By his own admission in his autobiography (which is a worthwhile mostly apolitical read), he was also arrogant, a smart-ass, and a not-infrequent screw-up, which is easy to believe.
But LBascom — you and anyone else who doubt John McCain’s dedication to his country and its Navy are either badly warped or misinformed. I’m not singing his praises as a politician — I supported him only under the slogan of “Vote for the Grumpy Old Guy, It’s Important.” But like Bob Dole or, for that matter, the late Daniel Inouye, argue with them about policy or temperament, but don’t beclown yourself by insulting their military service.
In fact, don’t insult or belittle anyone’s military service. Just don’t. Didn’t your guy learn this lesson from the Gold Star Family debacle?
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:19 pmBrazil apparently still flies A-4s off the deck of its carrier.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:29 pm“Adulate” is such a well-chosen word.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:33 pmthe point is beldar, this commercial is an insult to thinking people, it hides how she whitewashed the va scandal, benghazi, walked away from iraq having voted for it, watched as our military has shrunk to pre WW one levels,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:38 pm@narciso:this commercial is an insult to thinking people
I agree, pure glurge. I suggest some alternative videos:
WWII vet watching video of Ambassador Stevens’ corpse being dragged through the streets of Libya.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:54 pmWWII vet watching video of John Kerry, the current successor to Hillary at State, say far worse things about vets than Trump ever did.
WWII vet watching video of McCain calling his wife a c**nt in public.
Best wishes Hoagie! I hope you are reading this Tuesday on your own two feet. My bypass surgery has gone well, and I’m on my two feet doing all kinds of stuff … stairs, hills, the works. I just get real tired. But it improves every day. We live in an age of miracles!
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 9/19/2016 @ 7:56 pm@Beldar: John McCain’s Vietnam service makes him a hero.
I wish that upon his return to the States, that Congress in recognition of his heroism had voted him a Senator’s salary for life to stay the f*ck home and do nothing because, in my humble opinion, the good he did as a hero has been more than offset by the harm he has done in government.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:02 pmgood to hear bob,
I think the last element was apocryphal out of rosencrantz and guildenstern’s hack job, game change, although I don’t believe maverick objected, as the huntress did,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:03 pmShow a video of the National Park Service fencing off the WWII Memorial during the government shutdown-which cost more money than doing nothing.
Pinandpuller (2a8016) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:05 pm@narciso:I think the last element was apocryphal
It was from 1992, and as well sourced as anything else pre-internet. It’s not from Game Change.
And of course the media said that it showed that McCain couldn’t be trusted with his finger on the button, war on women, racist, etc etc.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:08 pmI don’t give a damn how you put it- I still don’t have to vote Trump.
So, explain to me why I’m supposed to vote Hillary. The only thing I can think with this logic is you really do thing your Tangerine Boy IS going to lose. I’ve said it before- it’s up to you to get the votes for Trump out. I ain’t helping.
If you think that particular bit of nastiness is going to change minds, think again Sparky.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:11 pm@180– Of course there’s other footage given the locale and the security in Lower Manhattan. And the press isn’t going after it.
And ‘we calls her as we sees her:’ Maude — in doubleknit pantsuits.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:18 pmIn fact, don’t insult or belittle anyone’s military service. Just don’t.
Now there’s a quaint band-aid. John Kerry thanks you.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:21 pm@DCSCA:John Kerry thanks you.
Hey, don’t insult or belittle his military service! All those Swiftboat guys should have been ashamed, right? Bush had no business accepting support from them. Beldar is quite principled and I’m sure condemned them at the time.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:28 pmCompletely OT
Kishnevi (d7d2b1) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:31 pmAnyone know anything about this?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440155/codias-conservative-social-media-network
No, I’m not finding that Beldar condemned them in any way. And I would not like Beldar to think I am being sarcastic or anything like that when I say Beldar is principled. I can think of no fairer thing than to quote Beldar’s contemporaneous comments at length, because they are quite thoughtful. And far more fair to Kerry than Kerry was to his contemporaries, when it suited him politically to be, who in turn was far harder on them than Trump was on McCain: and Kerry, we must remember, was impeaching the entire US war effort and all of the soldiers in Vietnam, not just one Senator.
On the subject of Sen. Kerry’s military record, I’ve written on my own blog and elsewhere that I don’t doubt Kerry’s patriotism, and that I genuinely honor his service to his country. I continue to do so. I also think it would be a tactical mistake, politically, for President Bush’s campaign to attack Sen. Kerry’s military record directly.
However, as I wrote recently in a comment on another blog, there is no logical inconsistency between the proposition that Kerry performed bravely in combat, and the proposition that at least some of his motivations for doing so were selfish, cynical, calculating, and craven. Personally, everything I’ve read on the subject — which has been everything I could find on the internet, on both sides of both propositions, including both statements of objective fact and powerful but subjective statements of opinion — has left me inclined to accept both of these propositions.
So, yes, Sen. Kerry served in combat, and yes, he was brave. But just how brave? And how does the entire context of his military record, and his leadership as a war protester thereafter, reflect on his qualifications to be our country’s Commander-in-Chief?
There’s obviously a large chasm between the portrayals of Sen. Kerry at last week’s Democratic National Convention and those on the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website and in its video. I don’t have a military background myself. I lack the bona fides to offer any unique evaluation, and I certainly don’t have the first-hand experience that either the men who were onstage with Sen. Kerry or who are in the above-linked video clip are drawing on.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:34 pmyes, kerry not only called his fellow servicemen war criminals, but about a decade later, called the cia accessory to the drug cartels, a notion that gary webb resurrected another decade later,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:44 pmand was revived 20 years after that with kill the messenger, all the while, he was taking campaign monies by the southeast branch front for bcci, which provided laundering services for just those type of thugs, the book the informer dwells on the details,
Anyway the Democrats have absolutely no shame on this issue; after decades of pandering to people who called men like McCain baby-killers and rewarded men like John Kerry with power he still holds, after accepting support from people who said far worse about McCain’s service, now they pose as the defenders of vets from slights.
As for WWII vets and how they feel about Trump, they come in all persuasions. Some are voting for him. At least one was willing to appear in a commercial for Hillary despite knowing how she and her party have been slandering vets for decades, and taking support from those who do.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 8:44 pmnarciso.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/38658/
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:02 pmHere’s some criticism of John McCain’s service from Democrats and the media in 2008.
Some of them are condemning Trump now. And Hillary Clinton did not repudiate them in 2008, and does not now–but poses as a defender of vets from slights.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:04 pmyes that makes three conflicts, he defamed service and intelligence personnel,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:05 pmMy last comment had too many links and got caught in moderation. If you want to see them, you can put “2008 john mccain is a war criminal” into the Google.
My overwrought and overemotional response to the Hillary video posted here was at her effrontry in holding herself out as a defender of vets from slights, when the people who said worse about John McCain’s service in 2008 were not repudiated by her and she gladly accepts their support.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:07 pmI was convicted, crossing the line, in the court of King Neptune, of being a naval intelligence officer.
True, true. Because clearly such a thing can not exist.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/19/2016 @ 9:12 pmthe same civility granted greg abbott, by gosnell’s girl,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/296243-dem-berates-double-amputee-gop-opponent-youre-not-man-enough-to-stand-behind-your-ads/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/19/2016 @ 10:13 pmYou sound like a man after mine own heart, Beldar.
So I could have been harder on McCain, but I didn’t have it in me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwYSphdEvYY
Until I can make it back. The .338 kicks @$$ on plains game. And stoppers begin with 400 grains, .40 caliber.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/19/2016 @ 10:38 pmMr. Hanna, thanks for the long quote from the first — actually predating publication of the O’Neill/Corsey book — of 80+ posts I wrote in 2004 regarding John Kerry and the SwiftVets controversy. Some of that controversy had to do with his service in the Swift Boats; some of it had to do with what he did afterwards as an antiwar activist. I tried throughout the controversy to be careful never to attack Kerry’s military service. Rather, the attack was on his judgment, honesty, and character. With respect to his time in the Navy, it was on his medal-preoccupation and -manipulation, and his 3-marginal-at-best-PHs-and-out mentality. During that controversy I made no friends among Kerry supporters, but a great many friends among the SwiftVet community.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 10:46 pmSteve57: Isn’t that the only court in which, after being once convicted, you’re ever thereafter part of the jury? 😉
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 10:49 pmI still wish someone at Kerry’s SecState confirmation hearing had had the balls to ask him about his one, possibly two, trips to Paris to meet with the representatives of the North Vietnamese and the Vietcong, to coordinate their demands for America’s capitulation with Kerry’s Senate testimony before the Fulbright Committee, in which he accused his fellow American military forces of being war criminals. Of all the posts I wrote during the SwiftVets fight, that one was my personal favorite, one for which I even did research using paper books at an actual library!
Basically that meeting (or those meetings) also explain the Iran deal completely.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/19/2016 @ 10:57 pmTouche, Beldar.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/19/2016 @ 11:43 pmBo Burgdal
Chelsea Manning
Thank you for your service.
Pinandpuller (2a8016) — 9/20/2016 @ 12:03 amForgot Nidal Hasan.
Pinandpuller (2a8016) — 9/20/2016 @ 12:04 amLet me put this in small words for you, Pinandpuller:
Some people who serve are bad. Example: Benedict Arnold was bad.
Even bad people can sometimes serve well at least some of the time. Example: Arnold’s service at Ft. Ticonderoga and Saratoga.
Words. Read them carefully. Nobody here has praised anyone you listed. Condemning them is nothing at all like insulting John McCain’s service.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 12:16 amSteve57, my dad, having been convicted in 1944, was on a jury at age 70-something as part of a shipmate’s reunion. He said it was still just the same.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 12:19 amI never feel like I have to explain or defend old Beldar. He is reliably going to show up and handle it just fine for himself.
I find many things about Trump apologia’s amusing, but comparing being a POW or even an extreme example of honor as a POW such as Mccain’s to Kerry’s genuine treachery is not amusing. Politics is not everything, silly Trump fans. If you guys understood this, Trump wouldn’t be nearly so dangerous.
Deplorables are going to decide this election, but not in the way they think.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/20/2016 @ 12:59 amlmao at you, Dustin and Beldar.
mg (31009b) — 9/20/2016 @ 2:27 amI would bet money, on the passenger seats of your cars, you guys have a 12 inch thick stack of information on why you two are the smartest people in the universe.
Rev Hoagie,
hope you’re doing better and are up and out of the hospital today.
As for Hillary, just remember she’s never served, has constantly treated the military and secret service as her servants and also got Bill to pardon the FALN terrorists to help her political career.
Don’t think she won’t do it again if she doesn’t see a political reason for it.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 9/20/2016 @ 4:01 amDon’t get me wrong, Beldar, I’d love to pin a target on all of their chests.
I just want them to know how much I appreciated their service.
If they ever get out of prison their “heroic acts” will never allow them even the hint of fraud and abuse.
Two more career politicians aborted.
Pinandpuller (2a8016) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:16 amugh sleazy uber-heroic coward-ass disgrace-to-the-uniform mccain would have all of you yoked to a job killing carbon tax just cause of his quivering cowardly fear of his editor-masters at the new york times
he’s a complete and utter wipe of ass
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:30 ambut what really scares the sleazy old womanly hoobastank?
the prospect of not dying in office
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:34 amYes, I think it’s been the same for centuries. When your dad crossed the line in 1944 the Japanese Navy was doing the same.
Zeilin, wasn’t it?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:43 amWhat I meant is that the crossing the line ceremony is a cross cultural event. Every navy I know of does it.
http://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2014/10/happy-birthday-navy-and-crossing-the-line-ceremonies/
Sincerely, Shellback Steve57.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:54 ammg, you know how I don’t respond to your zillion insults with insults? It’s because I don’t really care that much. Try it.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/20/2016 @ 5:57 amthere’s as many ways to make egg salad as there are insults really
haven’t made that in forever
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/20/2016 @ 6:13 amNext Clinton campaign ad Pat will feature – double amputee bi-curious war orphan forced to immigrate by climate change.
How dare you Trumpkins question little Achmed’s authority to opine on American politics?
papertiger (82d7e8) — 9/20/2016 @ 6:20 amI’m not sure what stage this is,
http://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-panics-over-hillary-behind-the-scenes-at-emmy-parties/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:20 amThey exploited that veteran. He can barely get out the words.
This ad makes Trump’s denigration of McCain look bigger than what it was, and more important than what it was. It is simply too trivial to decide a presdential vote by.
They also had to use a World War II veteran, because a Vietnam War veteran would have understood what this was all about. They made the POWs into heroes, maybe the only heroes. That didn’t happen with World War II and Korean War POWs.
In fact, with Korean War POWs, there was almost the opposite. There was all this worry about them being “brainwashed.” That’s where the word brainwashed comes from. They didn’t understand the anti-American statements were extracted, although by the time of the Vietnam War and the capture of the Pueblo, they did, and tey didn’t even try to hold the captured Pueblo crewmen to the technical requirements of the military code at all.
Trump didn’t say anything about McCain being bad in that particular comment refeernced in the ad, although I think he may have done that elsewhere. I think he called him a loser.
Of course Trump was only fighting back against the claim of moral authority attributed to McCain. But not fairly.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:27 am@Sammy:Trump was only fighting back against the claim of moral authority attributed to McCain.
McCain’s public language against other people, not just Trump, including his own wife, including Ted Cruz, is quite intemperate. None of that justifies what Trump said, but it speaks to why Trump wanted to say it. Trump of course ought not to have said it.
One of the fears I hear expressed about Trump is all the deals he might make with Democrats. These deals are hypothetical, since Trump was never in government to make any. But McCain made many and ran on his ability to work with Democrats. In 2008 that was no big deal, I guess, because we never had a #NeverMcCain movement and we never talked about purging McCain supporters from the party.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:51 amMeanwhile, non-Trump Republicans in Congress are working with Democrats to restart the Ex-Im bank so they can lend Iran the money to buy jets from Boeing.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:08 amoh that reminds me,
https://twitter.com/heifer109/status/778180439710269441
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:14 amThere is just so much wrong @226 I don’t even know where to begin.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:18 amit’s like cutting up a tauntaun isn’t it,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:20 amI have to admit, though, I retired in 2008 and not even I recognize the Navy that gives up two riverine craft. It was different back in the day of the Pueblo. Bucher at least stalled for time And we don’t send boys to do a man’s job anymore. Destroyers, not auxiliaries.
And Fifth Air Force tripped on its, uhh, appendage that day. Fifth Air Force was supposed to provide support.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:28 amthat story still doesn’t make any sense, if it was a recon operation, it was conducted with ‘neolithic incompetence’ (jurgen prochnow in bc 2)
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/get-on-same-planet-brzezinski-berates-republican-for-raising-hillarys-failed-russian-reset/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:44 amYes, narciso, but it was no fault of the skipper or his crew. He knew he was climbing out on a limb ripe to be sawed off. He tried to improve the situation, and all he got was empty promises.
But orders are orders.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:49 amNormally a couple of ma deuces will see you through, but not against the NORK navy. Which isn’t to speak highly of the NORK navy.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:55 amwhat were they expecting gun boats or something more significant,
http://thehill.com/news/administration/296802-obama-jabs-trump-in-final-un-address
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:00 am