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9/14/2016

Colin Powell Presents Two Solid Reasons Not To Vote For Hillary Clinton

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:14 pm



[guest post by Dana]

It is being reported that Colin Powell’s private emails have been hacked. In one released piece of correspondence, Powell sums up why Hillary Clinton is such a poor choice for president. And it’s not just because the White House would be inhabited by an unethical, deceitful candidate and her hormone-addled man-child who has been accused of rape, and is a notorious sexual abuser of women. No, it’s more than that:

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What sort of world becomes a better place when the combined force of unbridled ambition and greed are the motivating factors of a would-be president? It would only benefit the individual who is willing to power through anything and anyone to get what they want, no holds barred. It wouldn’t be about voters or the country. It would only be about one woman’s insatiable drive for more power and more wealth because there would never, ever be enough. Such is the poison that permeates the egotistically self-indulged soul of Hillary Clinton.

I think this is what a Hillary Clinton White House would look like:

The Hillary Clinton Reality Show: Ambition! Sex! Greed! And a Cast of Shady Characters Running to Keep One Just Step Ahead of the Law!

–Dana

129 Responses to “Colin Powell Presents Two Solid Reasons Not To Vote For Hillary Clinton”

  1. That Colin Powell “respects” Hillary certainly speaks volumes about him.

    Dana (995455)

  2. His support for Barack Obama shot his credibility to sh!t

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. yes, the respectable victorian gent, he is, when he starts speaking I count the silver wear, If I remember one of his couched objections back in 2008, besides the fact the huntress was too small town for him, was how khizr khan’s son death, made any criticism of terrorism invalid or something,

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. Colin or Colon Powell (LOL) — however you want to pronounce his name — wants to be liked more than anything else.
    And he knows that being liked by the left wing media can go a long way.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  5. I remember back when sid vicious despised him back in the pages of esquire magazine, that was back in 91, right after the gulf war, those who have understanding remember his part in covering up mylai, waltsing out from under iran contra,

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. unbridled ambition and greed

    Another e-mail may very well explain what the greed was about.

    In Colin Powell’s words, Hillary Clinton “overcharged” a college so much for a speaking engagement, that the people responsible came under heat, and the college cancelled all paid speaking engagements for a while.

    Colin Powell was one of the scheduled future speakers who lost out.

    “I should send her a bill” he finished.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  7. Hillary craves for the presidency, but she can’t explain why.

    This is the end of careerism as a lifestyle, I hope.

    BTW what’s even worse than Bubba’s bimbos in the current day is that he even encouraged his latest gal pal to start a business, which sounds like every other business in the Obama Green Energy Scam era. She was to get a grant to hire people to weatherize people’s homes. Uh-huh. Her salary I’m sure would be generous.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  8. Greetings:

    “not transformational” ??? She sure transformed DoJ/FBI into lapdogs, no ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  9. remember though colin powell is still a cowardly racist hyper-entitled supreme douchebag with mp integrity but with a mad wife and a dildo son

    the latter two liabilities being the primary reason he never ran for douche-usa-prez himself

    the reason he’s so skeptical of stinkypig is cause

    in many many ways

    he’s absolutely just like her

    read that last sentence again

    in many many ways he’s absolutely just like her

    it screams troof

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. ugh

    mp integrity = *no* integrity

    still getting used to this radioshacker keyboard

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. They’re still around?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  12. Powell, pompous, pathetic, pos.

    mg (31009b)

  13. and deplorable.

    mg (31009b)

  14. yes yes succinct and apt Mr. mg

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. what difference does it make?

    mg (31009b)

  16. Bill and boys Hillary and girls
    sigh…

    mg (31009b)

  17. I hope Condi can stay clean of this mud pie, so she can take over the Negro Fools League.

    mg (31009b)

  18. Colon Powell was THE public face of pushing for the invasion of Iraq.
    Now he’s like, “Wut? we need a foreign policy that acquiesces to the Saddams of the world!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  19. Col. West for Sec. of State.

    mg (31009b)

  20. The NYT has coverage of Powell’s email hack, and unsurprisingly, chose to focus on Powell’s dislike of Trump, not what he said about Hillary.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/us/politics/colin-powell-emails-hack-donald-trump.html

    Dana (995455)

  21. And “not transformational” which means she wants power to further her greed, and for the power itself, not to actually DO anything. She’ll just kick the country’s problems down the road to the next President, and loot the nation along with her coalition partners (SEIU, UAW, NEA, the trial lawyers, etc). And we’ll all be four years older and deeper in debt.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. the linchpin was the evidence provided by curveball who was an asset of german intelligence all the way back to the early 90s, righr after the gulf war, that agency blocked any access to him to verify this info, and they sold powell and the late mr. drumheller, on the notion this was all cheney’s idea, much like with the niger matter,

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. snotty flaky colin powell is exhibit A in how in a just and rational america ex-military should = unelectable

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. As I said earlier, she’s Cthulhu, the ancient demon of pure evil that wants to suck our souls dry. Opposing her is Godzilla, a random destroyer, stomping all over whatever is in front of him in the NOW, ignoring no slight. And clearly the lesser evil.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. So long as team republican is ground into the soil with the boots of Trumpkins.

    mg (31009b)

  26. I see illary’s new book sold 10 copies, half were bought by no trumpers from this site.

    mg (31009b)

  27. The problem with Powell is his own credibility isn’t exactly a pillar of unblemished integrity. He’s certainly no Eliott Richardson.

    Powell’s performance at the UN in February, 2003, was a ‘national disgrace’ unto itself that ultimately lead to the deaths of thousands of people, not to mention billions of dollars wasted on war.

    Politicians in glasses houses shouldn’t throw stones–or be using unsecured email.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. elliot richardson was the kennedy family lapdog, please can we stop with the sainted brahmin’s integrity, you don’t see any democrat zampolit ever stepping down, except indictment exceedingly rare since webb hubbell, or moving to some lobby shop.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. mark felt didn’t get the nod of advancement so he kvetched to woodward and bernstein, along the way, they discovered the surrepticious entries against weatherman, so he found him in the dock, till reagan pardoned him,

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. dems thought to deprive the president and his top officials in the watergate witchhunt, they were so failing in due diligence, that the city manager of san diego’s conviction was reversed on appeal,

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. @28– I think you mean Archie Cox. Richardson was a ‘Big Dick man’ having been appointed to several offices by him. Felt’s saga is a story unto itself. Might be a good storyline for a good movie, eh? 😉

    ‘Wood-stein!!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. What’s missing in the reports on the Colin Powell hack, is that he was hacked. A private server…

    Dana (995455)

  33. yes, he was hacked again, the first time in 2013,

    there is a film about the ‘heroic’ felt, with liam neeson coming out next year, from the writer of concussion,

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. well dana, how can you do a good ‘squirrel!! chase if context is involved, now the way I see it, he was an accessory before the fact, telling how to avoid accountability, nudge nudge, apparently they share the same level of info security,

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. I saw Dicking Bimbos when they opened for Spin Doctors back in ’98. It was one of those shows where the opening act was much better than the headliner.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  36. Kevin M.
    I do like your analysis.
    Godzilla is pretty nasty, but there is a chance to stay out of it’s way until it goes back into the sea.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  37. I’m glad I am not famous enough for anyone to have a reason to hack into my email.
    Not that there is anything there of scandal,
    still, I don’t want anyone to know what I really thought about the tuna casserole at the church potluck…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  38. Clinton embodies all the worse and negative aspects of our species. It is impossible to find any endearing equalities about her for corruption runs in her veins. Her supporters have demonstrate how far off compass the morals, ethics and integrity of our society has fallen. There will be no honor, no accountability, no rule of law if or when she becomes president. She will abuse the power of the Oval Office, implement executive order as law,ruthlessly go after those she perceives as her enemy and defy the Constitution. It will be scandal after scandal, cover up after cover up, lie after lie for she possesses none of the qualities of a Leader but as a dictator.

    freethinker2016 (86943f)

  39. So long as team republican is ground into the soil with the boots of Trumpkins.

    So that out of the ashes a true liberty-oriented party will rise and smite the vast hordes of statist orcs? Sadly, it won’t work that way. Once the Enemy has the Ring of Power, it’s orc orc orc form now on.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  40. #39 Gil,

    You may need 16 minutes to make the case against Trump, but we only need 16 seconds to make the case against Illary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  41. why are office holders not responsive to the base, kevin, rather to the state run media that doesn’t mean them well,

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. 16 minutes on why anything is better than trump

    It takes 16 minutes to make a case against Trump? I can do it in 3. But clearly “anything” isn’t better. A full-on thermonuclear war, for example, is not better.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  43. Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes. His behavior as President-elect is obnoxious and by the time he takes the oath, his favorability is down to 37%. On Jan 21st, Pence resigns after Trump orders the military into Mexico to “make them pay for the wall.” Three days later he is impeached and convicted, both nearly unanimously and Ryan becomes President.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  44. paging zombie graham chapman, that’s just too silly for words,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. 16 minutes on why anything is better than trump

    Yeah, I’m going to spend a quarter of an hour listening to what Sam Harris has to say. Am I being punished for something?

    JVW (6e49ce)

  46. Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes. His behavior as President-elect is obnoxious and by the time he takes the oath, his favorability is down to 37%. On Jan 21st, Pence resigns after Trump orders the military into Mexico to “make them pay for the wall.” Three days later he is impeached and convicted, both nearly unanimously and Ryan becomes President.

    Right, because Trump has never heard of tariffs.

    You exist in fevered dreams, man.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  47. Hey, if you really want to be punished, here is 17 min. of our old friend Olbermonkey going full-on ballistic (spittle, hyperventilation & all) as he enumerates a Billboard magazine-length list of Trump’s greatest hits: 176-reasons-donald-trump-shouldn-t-be-president

    Icy (1dd25d)

  48. @whatever

    No I dont need 16 minutes, nor does anyone, but thats how long the excerpt is.

    @JVW

    The man is a highly intelligent person with a very fair approach to many topics that you would be surprised to learn you are on the same side with. Why would you reject out of hand what “Sam Harris has to say”? Have you heard a few things you disagree with and then shut it down? Do you find no value in listening to other points of view than your own? Do you not want to at least understand other people’s positions on things?

    Gil (0bf8a1)

  49. Right, because Trump has never heard of tariffs.

    To listen to the man, I’m not sure he’s heard of chocolate.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  50. Team republican is so lame they would vote for illary. sic fooks.

    mg (31009b)

  51. Republicans need to be waterboarded. Democrats need to be deported.

    mg (31009b)

  52. Unenrolled is the place to be.

    mg (31009b)

  53. Can one of you no trumper hacks tell me the last time a member of team republican made America feel great?
    other than R.R.

    mg (31009b)

  54. The democrats are drowning and right on cue team republicanl throws them a life raft.

    mg (31009b)

  55. Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes, is sworn into office in January and immediately names Kevin M as Minister of Silly Walks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. This is exactly what those labeled indiscriminately ‘Trumpkins’ have maintained all along, that the Clintons in the WH is worse than antiChrist, because their only object is personal power all of the time.

    Fortunately they are both on borrowed time:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/biographer-bills-physical-mental-capacity-have- deteriorated/article/2601790

    TFG knows he’s set for life and can focus on destroying America, the Clintons are its instantiation.

    DNF (755a85)

  57. 44. The summary impeachment of Trump would not be an idle fear but for the existence of men and women with spines.

    You may be excused.

    DNF (755a85)

  58. Is there even such a thing as a presidential candidate who does not have “unbridled ambition and greed”?

    The Dana asking the obvious question (f6a568)

  59. Mr M wrote:

    Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes. His behavior as President-elect is obnoxious and by the time he takes the oath, his favorability is down to 37%. On Jan 21st, Pence resigns after Trump orders the military into Mexico to “make them pay for the wall.” Three days later he is impeached and convicted, both nearly unanimously and Ryan becomes President.

    I’ll give you the same line we use at work: the drug test lady will be here tomorrow!

    The wryly amused Dana (f6a568)

  60. The Colonel wrote:

    Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes, is sworn into office in January and immediately names Kevin M as Minister of Silly Walks.

    .

    Alas! The Democrats threaten to filibuster the nomination, and it drags on and on, until finally Mr M withdraws. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says, “While we are saddened to lose Mr M for this position, comity and a respect for Senate rules required that we retain the filibuster rule.”

    The sadly amused Dana (f6a568)

  61. Hugh Hewitt says that a Democrat controlled SCOTUS will take control of redistricting in 2020. He mentions some comment Breyer made about that.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  62. stinkypig’s eternal stench all up in it

    that’s the price this hated and hateful country must pay for spurning harvardtrash ted and his balefully grimacing sacky

    country’s getting off light you ask me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Hillary is a horrible candidate because the Dems figured they didn’t actually need a candidate. The 2012 election where they managed to elect one of the most failed Presidents ever proved they had a permanent ruling coalition, Mitt’s “47%” remark was off on the math by at least 4%. Why would they bother nominating a candidate that could appeal to independents and moderates and cross-over voters when they didn’t need them? The Dems could safely nominate Satan herself and know it didn’t matter which Republican ran against her, the election was a foregone conclusion, a mere formality.

    The only thing they hadn’t considered is that the GOP would nominate a Democrat themselves.

    Face facts – Trump is a Democrat and that’s the only way the Republican party is going to win the White House. As much as you wish and hope and delude yourself into believing there’s some sort of silent majority out there that pines for a candidate dedicated to rolling back Leviathan, there’s not. Once Trump gets the ringmaster hat, there’s going to be a purge of the party because there’s no room in the big circus tent for the likes of us True Believers who really do want less government.

    And the sad thing is that the ones telling us we gotta jump on the Trump Train or else the Democrats will win are the ones working hardest to make sure a Democrat wins. (I’m predicting Trump’s next big policy speech after the last one where he’s proposed increasing welfare payments is going to be a proposal for free college tuition. And the Trumpalos will still insist we gotta vote for him because at least he’s not a Democrat.)

    Jerryskids (3308c1)

  64. And the sad thing is that the ones telling us we gotta jump on the Trump Train or else the Democrats will win are the ones working hardest to make sure a Democrat wins.

    I agree with this and with the idea that conservatives will be the first people Trump tries to banish. Those are the people and ideas he really fears, not his fellow Democrats.

    I’ve come to the sad realization that Trump and his supporters want bigger government instead of a conservative system that lets people live their own lives. Trump supporters want a bigger piece of the government pie and they think Trump will give them more than Hillary will. Won’t it be ironic when he favors his New York liberal friends instead?

    DRJ (15874d)

  65. social cons have done a very adroit job at banishing themselves

    they want a scapegoat now more than they want a champion

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. happyfeet:

    “… this hated and hateful country …”

    These are the words of a person who believes Trump can make America great again. They sound more like the words of Michelle Obama.

    DRJ (15874d)

  67. oopers i think i was doing sarcasms there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. Evangelicals and other social conservatives love Trump. It’s the fiscal conservatives who don’t like him. You used to claim to be one, too, but now we know you aren’t.

    DRJ (15874d)

  69. doing pig all up in it is the least fiscally conservative thing you can do your whole life

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. Trump supporters have repeatedly told us that there are no conservative choices in this election.

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. DRJ, always lovely to see your post.

    With all the commentary from this bizarre and hypocritical troll, his use of the term “pig” so often is unintentionally ironic.

    His goal is to be weird, nasty, and insulting….and refuse to alter his behavior, even when it is completely hypocritical. Engaging him gets more of the same.

    It’s like the story of wrestling with…well, you know the rest.

    I would love see more posts by you, DRJ. I miss nk. I miss lots of former posters here. Instead, we get a whole lot of e.e. cummings mixed with hypocrisy and hatred.

    Sigh.

    Mind you, there are folks who disagree without all the weirdness and nastiness. But they are getting rarer and rarer.

    Thanks for your efforts, DRJ.

    Gresham’s rule applied to trolls triumphs here, I guess.

    Not my blog.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  72. @24 Kevin M

    I always thought that Tokyo could do with a little urban renewal.

    And in later movies wasn’t Godzilla trying to protect Tokyo and Make Japan Great Again?

    Ted Cruz=Rodan.

    Pinandpuller (1686b7)

  73. sigh

    happyfeet (ef31a2)

  74. Unenrolled is the place to be.
    mg (31009b) — 9/15/2016 @ 2:43 am

    So they loaded up the truck, and they moved to Beverly.

    Hills, that is.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  75. I think John Bolton would make an awesome Secretary of State. I hear that he even knows how to use email!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  76. @Jerryskids:Once Trump gets the ringmaster hat, there’s going to be a purge of the party because there’s no room in the big circus tent for the likes of us True Believers who really do want less government.

    Only if you did everything you could to stop him from getting elected. In which case, why SHOULDN’T he?

    But the thing is, it’s not TRUMP that has any power to purge anyone. It’s the Republican Party in general who has chosen him. And if you keep peeing on them, they’s going to purge you, yes. If, instead, you work with them to advance your causes, and deliver votes to them so that they have some reason to advance your causes, then in the end you will get what you want.

    Again, gay marriage. Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, all opposed it. Did progressives reject them? No. Did progressives get purged? No. Did they get what they want? Yes. Did all four of those get on board? Yes.

    Do what they did. If you care about your ideals enough.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  77. Dana (995455) — 9/14/2016 @ 7:37 pm

    20.The NYT has coverage of Powell’s email hack, and unsurprisingly, chose to focus on Powell’s dislike of Trump, not what he said about Hillary.

    In the very last paragraph, they have the wuote about “Everything H.R.C. touches, she kind of screws up with hubris.” and then doesn’t quite tell clearly Colin Powell’s complaint about the university where she extracted such a big fee, nobody else got anything for awhile, and he lost a “gig.”

    The New York Times makes it that the university could no longer afford speaking fees, but what Colin Powell actually wrote was “they came under heat” which is probably the truth.

    In other words, there probably was money available to pay him too, but there was some sort of political complaint within the university about having done this.

    The decision to not pay anyone else was made after paying the enormous speaking fee for Hillary came under attack, and they responded the way they did precisely because it had been an inside job.

    It probably wasn’t that Hillary Clinton “overcharged” them, but rather there were political and personal connections between Hillary Clinton and somebody important in the university, and that somebody arranged to use money they had control or influence over to give her a couple of hundred thouand dollars. And that would be why it was so damaging to the people responsible. To make up for it, they didn’t pay any speakers for awhile, but that wasn’t the plan, and wouldn’t have been the plan, at the beginning.

    Colin Powell may not be all that informed – that is, I think this was almost certainly not a matter of “overcharging” people anxious to get such a high profile historical figure to speak, but a matter of arranging the whole thing from the beginning – but he almost certainly does have it right, and the New York Times has it wrong, in that Powell losing his “gig” was not a matter of the university using up its budget for speakers. If that was the case, the people making the arrangements would have known this from the start and would not have wanted to do that because the whole idea was to give money to Hillary without calling a lot of attention to it, and cancelling other speakers would have called attention to it. They dropped the otgehr speakrs after </b? attention had bene called to it.

    Nobody has published the name of the university, but I don't think it should be so hard to find out, and find some contemporaneous news reports.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  78. Jerryskids (3308c1) — 9/15/2016 @ 6:20 am

    Why would they bother nominating a candidate that could appeal to independents and moderates and cross-over voters when they didn’t need them?

    You’re talking like there was some other “boss” or “bosses” of the Democratic Party besides maybe Bill Clinton.

    The only thing they hadn’t considered is that the GOP would nominate a Democrat themselves.

    That could be something that Bill Clinton arranged – without telling Trump himself, of course. But some people Trump might listen to.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  79. arciso @28. I think a couple of important Democrats have been indicted since Webster Hubbell – in Illinois and New York and Pennsylvania, for instance. And New Jersey Senator Robert Torricelli stepped down, you might remember and also Andrew Cuomo in the Democratic primary for Governor of New York. Both in 2002, Andrew Cuomo first. And don’t forget Anthony Weiner deciding to resign from Congress in 2011.

    Of course that’s all with the OK if not the under the demand of, Boss Clinton.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  80. There’s some upside here in a Hillary victory. Bill Clinton can return to dicking bimbos in the White House. So there’s that.

    Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b)

  81. Federal officials sammeh,

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. “While we are saddened to lose Mr M for this position, comity and a respect for Senate rules required that we retain the filibuster rule.”

    Proving once again who IS the Minister of Silly Walks.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  83. It’s really funny to see the Trumpies think that the GOPe would not love to impeach Trump, given any decent reason, and replace him with Ryan. Hey, maybe the Democrats will block them.

    An insurrection would only whet their appetite. Win-win.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  84. 85. Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/15/2016 @ 9:10 am

    It’s really funny to see the Trumpies think that the GOPe would not love to impeach Trump, given any decent reason, and replace him with Ryan.

    Where is Pence in this picture?

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  85. Which argument are you taking up now, I thought he was the tool of the top men?

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. 83. narciso (d1f714) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:54 am

    Federal officials sammeh,

    Weren’t a couple of Clinton Cabinet members indicted? I think they pled guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

    For some reason Housing Secretary Henry G. Cisneros is missing from this list. Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy was acquitted at trial.

    CIA Director John Mark Deutch had agreed to plead guilty to a charge of mishandling government secrets (like labeling laptops as containing only unclassified information when that was not the case) Janet Reno had declined to prosecute, but started an investigation into whether he should retain his security clearace. This was leading to soemthing, but President Clinton pardoned him on his last full day in office, two days before the charges were going to be filed. Probably the cause of the planned plea bargain was the fact there was an incoming Republican Administration. A plea bargain is almost as good as a pardon for preventing charges from being filed.

    After the failed attempt to put all investigations into Bill Clinton into the hands of a lawyer whom Bill Clinton xccould trust = Robert B. Fiske Jr., Janet Reno appointed special prosecutor after special prosecutor. Just not one to investigate the 1996 campaign. And she told the special prosecutor for Espy and Tyson Foods to stay away from any allegations involving Bill Clinton.

    Also: Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington and was stripped of his security clearance for 3 years. Two years later he gave up his law license to avoid answering questions about the details of his thefts from the National Archives. Now this all happened during the Bush II Administration.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  87. if skeevy buttboy Paul Ryan can’t move to impeach a corrupt sleestak like john koskinen then he’s pretty much toothless

    which Mitt probably enjoys

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  88. What goes around, comes around. Dems threw Powell under the bus.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  89. That is a big oversight – it should be Pence with Ryan ascending to VP. 2 years ago that might have been a fiscal con/ NeverTrump wet dream. Thats the thing Sammeh – Pence is, in his own way, impeachment insurance.

    Gentry/Management Dems may prefer NYC Trump to someone perceived as hostile to urbanite/alt-lifestyle constituents (who pay the bills, as any Chicago DNA_News commenter will tell you ad infinitum), though they would be loath to say it. There is an axis of mutual assistance between Trump – Ari Emanuel (and by implication his politically prominent brother) – David Axelrod via Michael Savage. This grouping met in late 2011 at a Knicks – Bulls game to lay the groundwork for a future run at the presidency, per the commentary on a Savage show.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  90. DRJ wrote:

    I agree with this and with the idea that conservatives will be the first people Trump tries to banish. Those are the people and ideas he really fears, not his fellow Democrats.

    I’ve come to the sad realization that Trump and his supporters want bigger government instead of a conservative system that lets people live their own lives.

    I don’t think this at all: this campaign was about Donald Trump, period. He has no real governing philosophy, and, at 70 years of age, he’s not going to be setting the tone for the GOP for more than a few years, even if he wins.

    The Dana who supported Carly Fiorina (f6a568)

  91. Scenario: Trump wins the election by a handful of electoral votes. His behavior as President-elect is obnoxious and by the time he takes the oath, his favorability is down to 37%. On Jan 21st, Pence resigns after Trump orders the military into Mexico to “make them pay for the wall.” Three days later he is impeached and convicted, both nearly unanimously and Ryan becomes President.

    Why would Pence resign? Why not stay and become president?

    Milhouse (961776)

  92. “He has no real governing philosophy”

    Or ethics.

    Or morals.

    Or conscience.

    Or values.

    What I particularly like about the 2016 election is that neither lump of excrement appears likely to be elected by an actual majority while both carry disapproval ratings which will allow Congress to treat either with the contempt which they have both fully earned at no particular political cost to Congress.

    Rick Ballard (f8b9ce)

  93. Rick Ballard (f8b9ce) — 9/15/2016 @ 10:19 am

    What I particularly like about the 2016 election is that neither lump of excrement appears likely to be elected by an actual majority

    Maybe the leader in the popular vote won’t crack 40%. (The lowest yet from the time when we had what amounted to a popular vote, was Abraham Linoln in 1860, when he got 39.9%)

    I don’t think that 50% is even a remote possibility.

    while both carry disapproval ratings which will allow Congress to treat either with the contempt which they have both fully earned at no particular political cost to Congress.

    it’ll ne hard to get to such a point, even with the high disapproval rating.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  94. If Donald Trump wins the election, whom will the GOP nominate in 2020, given that President Trump will be 74 years old?

    The Dana asking the obvious question (f6a568)

  95. American Horror Story: 7

    White House

    Pinandpuller (6d85e0)

  96. Dana – It depends on Trump’s golf score. If he can still hit the ball far, he’s in to stay.

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  97. Great news! Hillary’s vaccinations are “up to date”.

    Pinandpuller (6d85e0)

  98. Where is Pence in this picture?

    Pence will do what he’s told.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  99. Mr Ballard wrote:

    both carry disapproval ratings which will allow Congress to treat either with the contempt which they have both fully earned at no particular political cost to Congress

    Maybe that’s the case for Mr Trump, but if she’s elected [shudder!] Mrs Clinton would be the First Woman President, and any show of disrespect would be a problem.

    The feminist Dana (f6a568)

  100. After all, if it’s racist to oppose President Obama on anything, it would certainly be sexist to oppose President Clinton!

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  101. I’m old enough to remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism; but since 2009 it has been the lowest form of racism. If Trump is elected it will no doubt go back to being the highest form of patriotism again.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  102. I’m old enough to remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism;

    That only applies during Republican administrations. And to LBJ’s, since it was invented during his term. (Nadine Strossen seems to be the one who decided to attribute it to Jefferson.)

    Milhouse (961776)

  103. 104- Other things that will suddenly become news during a Trump presidency; the huge homelessness problem, the real unemployment and underemployment numbers, the deficit and debt, the war in Afghanistan and troops in Iraq, mistreatment of prisoners in Guantanamo, the high cost of food and the elderly eating dog food, the housing crisis, and so on and so forth. The MSM is going to become VERY diligent, with no good news that’s fit to print. And what really sucks is the nevertrump “conservatives” will be cheerleading the narrative. After all, can’t have the vulgarian making America great again, it would make them look bad.

    LBascom (7b6094)

  104. The man is a highly intelligent person with a very fair approach to many topics that you would be surprised to learn you are on the same side with. Why would you reject out of hand what “Sam Harris has to say”? Have you heard a few things you disagree with and then shut it down? Do you find no value in listening to other points of view than your own? Do you not want to at least understand other people’s positions on things?

    Gil, I apologize for leaving the debate last night before you had a chance to reply to me with the above. I don’t know if you are still monitoring these comments, but I kind of felt that I owed you a response.

    Yeah, Harris is an intelligent guy but he is also extremely pompous and full of himself. Not that some of my favorite writers (including yours truly) aren’t as well, but what I don’t like about Harris is that he rarely leavens his blowhardiness with a smidgen of self-deprecating humor. I base this on his continued and predictable assaults on religious thought. He’s the definition of the old joke “an atheist walks into a bar and every one knows within two minutes because he won’t shut up about it.”

    I actually watched the first 15 seconds of your Harris video last night. I stopped it at the point where he said that he is “tepidly for Clinton.” Tell me Gil: did he say anything that departs from the usual progressive justification as to why Hillary is the lesser of the two evils? I think at this point I have heard it all before from the usual lefty sources who maybe wanted someone else but are going to cast their vote for a Dem, probably because they can’t have it on their conscience that they didn’t lean forward for the first Democrat woman to appear atop a Presidential ticket. If Harris broke new ground anywhere with his rhetoric then I would appreciate it if you would summarize it in your comments and then maybe I might devote 1/100th of my day to hearing him out. Otherwise it sounds like the typical waste of time hearing tired and well-worn arguments for why this crap sandwich is vaguely edible.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  105. “any show of disrespect would be a problem.”

    Dana,

    Maybe a little until the first scandal (NLT March 1). Then she will brazenly lie and the Speaker and Majority Leader will begin the “cannot be trusted” responses which will continue until her defeat in ’20. It would be different if the extent of her depravity and dishonesty were hidden but neither of the Clinton degenerates can hide their warts and lesions.

    Rick Ballard (f8b9ce)

  106. Hi JVW

    I dont pick up from Harris that he is pompous and full of himself. I can imagine though that if you disagree with him over religion it could turn you off pretty quickly. I would encourage you to look into some of his thoughts about other topics – set aside the religion – and youd find some very interesting perspectives on things. He talks and writes about many things ranging from gun control, to free will, brazillian ju jitsui, effective altruism, morality, violence. He has very clearly thought out views on police use of force and the folly of Black Lives Matter. Dont shut him out based on his views on religion alone you’d be missing out.

    Anyway before going to far afield. If you are a Trump supporter (and forgive me that I dont know but i havent been following the blog very closely) you wont like what Sam has to say as it is harsh. He criticizes Trump’s “We should have taken Iraq’s oil” statements, explains how this mode of thinking translates poorly to other policy areas, criticizes what he thinks motivates trump, and his manner of speech / thinking, his ego and what Sam sees as the low likelihood that Trump would consult with experts or value their input. It boils down to lesser of two evils, but he makes a case for how much less.

    I think it is quite important to challenge my own beliefs about things. To really try and understand where the other side is coming from. With that link I was trying to see if someone would step back and listen and honestly evaluate if some of it rings true. After listening to that could someone defend Trump’s Iraq Oil viewpoint, would they acknowledge that Trump can be childish, or would all the answers just be “Oh Sam Harris that liberal blowhard is out to smear Trump and tote the party line” etc.

    At any rate thanks for getting back to me.
    Have a good one
    -Gil

    Gil (0bf8a1)

  107. Mr Ballard wrote:

    “any show of disrespect would be a problem.”

    Dana, Maybe a little until the first scandal (NLT March 1). Then she will brazenly lie and the Speaker and Majority Leader will begin the “cannot be trusted” responses which will continue until her defeat in ’20.

    Why would Majority Leader Chuck Schumer do that? 🙁

    Regrettably, Congress’ approval ratings are even lower than the President’s, so any shows of disrespect by the Republicans would help, not hurt, Mrs Clinton, were she President. {shudder!]

    However, if she is elected, it will be President Kaine running for re-election in 2020; the odds that Mrs Clinton would live through her first term are low. All the doctors in the world can’t cure old age.

    The unfortunately realistic Dana (f6a568)

  108. The unfortunately realistic Dana (f6a568) — 9/16/2016 @ 5:59 am

    All the doctors in the world can’t cure old age.

    Morbidity is more common than mortality. Hillary Clinton is still only 68 going on 69, (although Rush Limbaugh said though something to the effect that some people don’t age well) and the odds are it is not the kind of a problem – yet – to end her life.

    Now she might not want to go on in her job, but there will be Bill Clinton urging her on.

    I speculated earlier that she had some kind of tendon or ligament tear, but maybe post-polio syndrome, or the effects of a small stroke, or series of small strokes, are maybe a better idea.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  109. By the way, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had polio as a child.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  110. 111. So then is childhood polio the new “being a bartender’s son” (e.g. Boehner, Rubio)?

    Dana of any form – the Senate is trending R although I’d keep an eye on Toomey – McGinty (Toomey has been playing footsie with Gun Control groups). I can definitely see a medicinal deal with the devil where Hillary gets drugged up good for the debates through the inauguration, but has a spectacularly debilitating or fatal comedown mid-2017.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  111. I have an idea! How about we set up a new blog where hatefulfeet and mg can comment continuously, all day and night, in sentence fragments, unpunctuated baby-talk, and hate-speech? They can invite their Trumpkin friends. Eventually we can set up software so that they just point and click to post a Trump-Approved Comment of the Day, with a multiple-choice option from among the Dear Leader’s recent sayings: Click here to post something about how Hillary smells of urine, click here to post something about paul traitor ryan scumbag, click here to order home delivery of Trump Taco Bowls, etc.

    Sort of an alternative to rationality. You know, sort of Alt-Right. Then they could have a home where they aren’t forced to endure the company of those like our host, or me, or a dozen other commenters I could list, who aren’t willing to embrace Donald Trump as a “lesser evil.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  112. Wait, wait … someone’s telling me such “Alt-Right” sites already exist!

    But that means that mg and hatefulfeet and all the Trumpkin shills are posting at this blog purely to troll, doesn’t it?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  113. Geez Beldar, don’t cry

    LBascom (436b69)

  114. i love Mr. Trump

    when that stinkypig tries to piggy on through

    it’s Mr. Trump what says thou shall not pass

    pretty damn heroic, that’s what he is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. 117. So if she so much as faints during the debate, is the real clincher when he runs from behind his podium and catches her before she hits the ground and or falls from a stage? Thats the ultimate damned if you do, damned if you dont situation, but that could happen.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  116. when a stinkypig collapses the thing to do Mr. urban is to eye the carcass warily

    it’s at this time the stench glands are prone to release their foulest most toxic miasmas

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  117. Why is Trump breaking the birfer leg on his birfer, troofer ,two-toofer stool?

    Rick Ballard (f8b9ce)

  118. cause he’s awesome

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. 111. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/16/2016 @ 7:12 am

    So then is childhood polio the new “being a bartender’s son” (e.g. Boehner, Rubio)?

    Well,it only works for those older than about 64. There was a big epidemic in 1954, I think.

    But she’s not saying that. I said that’s a possible diagnosis. Someone can have had a relatively mild case, and seem to be not affected by it most of their life, but then, the residual disability hits when they start to get old. The regular loss of strength when someone gets older when combined with what polio did, creates a bit of a disability. The person was never relying on all their muscles. But it could be something else causing loss of ability to use some muscles.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  120. Mr Hanna wrote:

    I’m old enough to remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism; but since 2009 it has been the lowest form of racism. If Trump is elected it will no doubt go back to being the highest form of patriotism again.

    And if Mrs Clinton wins, it will become the lowest form of sexism.

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  121. 96. The Dana asking the obvious question (f6a568) — 9/15/2016 @ 10:49 am

    If Donald Trump wins the election, whom will the GOP nominate in 2020, given that President Trump will be 74 years old?

    It mostly depends on what happens while he is president.

    He is likely to get challenged for re-nomination, especially if he gets in with less than 38.5% of the popular vote, which is about the only way he can get in. Age won’t be a big factor.

    Sammy Finkelman (329d95)

  122. Ever beam a flashlight down to the floor and watch a cat chase it around obsessively in circles– then get so irritated and bewildered when you switch it off?

    Birtherism. Such brilliant game.

    Especially with the press. It’s especially fun watching Chris Matthews meowing at the moon, scratching over it.

    “Obsession…. from Calvin Klein.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. seriously, you know david spade, he’s not a part of any organized movement, neither is gary, too curmudgeon for that, other folks I couldn’t been to fathom.

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. 113. Beldar (fa637a) — 9/16/2016 @ 7:24 am

    I have an idea! How about we set up a new blog where hatefulfeet and mg can comment continuously, all day and night, in sentence fragments, unpunctuated baby-talk, and hate-speech?

    But how would you get them to use it? Maybe better graphics and fonts? Maybe you could start it by copying everything over there, so they could see everything they write in all its glory?

    Sammy Finkelman (1a8726)

  125. @96- If Donald Trump wins the election, whom will the GOP nominate in 2020, given that President Trump will be 74 years old?

    Donald Trump.

    “I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience,” Ronald Reagan to Walter Mondale – 1984 presidential debate

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  126. so was powell lying or are they, three guesses the first two don’t count,

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dem-senator-refuses-to-confirm-comment-on-clinton-health/article/2601873

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. Hillary goes personal; played the ‘1- to-10’ rating card today against Trump.

    Don’t go there, Maudie. You don’t even make that scale– and tip the one in the bathroom at 240 easy.

    Jennifer Flowers and assorted white trash had you beat on the Trumpmeter 20-plus years ago. If you were even close to Melania, Marla and Ivana, you think Bubba would have been roaming?

    Woof! How ‘Huma-liating.’

    “Who let the ‘dog’ out?”

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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