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9/2/2016

Harry Reid: Once Hillary Is Elected and We Have the Senate, It’s Bye Bye Filibuster

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:27 am



Surprise, surprise, surprise!

“Unless after this election there is a dramatic change to go back to the way it used to be, the Senate will have to evolve as it has in the past,” Mr. Reid told me, referring to a former tradition of rarely mounting filibusters. “But it will evolve with a majority vote determining stuff. It is going to happen.”…

“What choice would Democrats have?” asked Mr. Reid, who lamented the inability of a stalemated Congress to take on big issues. “The country can’t be run this way, where nothing gets done.”…

Trump’s presence on the ticket is killing down-ticket races to the point where a Democrat majority in the Senate is a distinct possibility. If that happens, you can bet they will play every card they have.

They have the right to do it. And it was always . . . hopeful, let’s call it . . . for Republicans to exercise restraint on the hope that Democrats would do the same. This is who they are and what they do.

350 Responses to “Harry Reid: Once Hillary Is Elected and We Have the Senate, It’s Bye Bye Filibuster”

  1. Ding. Sorry about the lack of post yesterday, by the way. Very, very, very busy at work.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. The election of Mrs. Bill Clinton to POTUS is your answer.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. Methinks Dingy counts his harpies before they’re spawned.

    DNF (ffe548)

  4. Honestly, the presence of Trump always brings out the best in people.

    Good Lord.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  5. let’s just pray Meghan’s coward daddy goes out with the rest of the trash

    happyfeet (e5234f)

  6. Mitch McConnell never saw this coming, either.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  7. The existential threat of a Mrs. Bill Clinton presidency does as well, Simon.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. I’m still voting against McCain.

    Dejectedhead (c21a67)

  9. Breitbart is less believable than Pravda, and all that BS will serve to do is keep the donations to Trump going in from the WannaBelievers.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. “Trump’s presence on the ticket is killing down-ticket races”

    As a matter of fact, I linked an article a couple weeks back coming to the opposite conclusion.

    This is a change election and incumbents are not likely to do as well as average, with feckless Senate leadership possibly downright badly.

    Just #nevertrump with another azzpull.

    DNF (ffe548)

  11. We should get our DON’T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR TRUMP bumper stickers ready. Or would a photo of Obama playing golf with “MISS ME YET? be more appropriate?

    If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid. Think about that neverTrumpers.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  12. Baghdad Bob ==>> Breitbart Bannon.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. 11. Your curmudgeon’s bile is worthless, abogado.

    DNF (ffe548)

  14. 14. The dyspeptic Luddite lives a flight up so he comes here to vent his spleen with no grass for neighbor kids to trod.

    DNF (ffe548)

  15. Look at the bright side. Once the system is taken over, healthcare tax over is complete, global warming emissions are taxed, and tax rates are increased…we’ll all be comfortable and taken care of and can stop working.

    Dejectedhead (c21a67)

  16. There’s blood in the streets it’s up to their ankles… blood in the streets it’s up to their knees … blood in the streets, the entire town of Chicago has re-animated their Hairtrigger Block of days gone by…

    “WITH 90 HOMICIDES, AUGUST WAS CHICAGO’S BLOODIEST MONTH IN 20 YEARS: “Overall this year, there have been 467 homicides in Chicago, more than New York City and Los Angeles combined,” CBS’s Chicago affiliate adds.

    Chicago’s last Republican mayor left office the year before Amelia Earhart became the first woman to fly solo over the Atlantic.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. When he was Majority Leader, Harry Reid had already ended filibusters on judicial nominees; had the Republicans done that when George Bush was President, we would have some better people on the bench.

    If Mrs Clinton is elected, and if the Democrats take control of the Senate, there will be no filibusters on judicial nominees, at the very least, and that means packing the judiciary with Ruth Ginsbergs.

    Had we nominated anyone other than Donald Trump, we’d be looking at a GOP landslide for President — well, maybe not with Ted Cruz! — and a lot better judiciary coming up.

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  18. If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid. Think about that neverTrumpers.

    Not really. Reid is retiring at the end of his term, which expires on January 3rd. And I’m free to vote for any Republican running for any office, regardless of whether I support Trump for President. So, the most you can say is that if I don’t vote for Trump, I’m not voting for Trump.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  19. Mr Head wrote:

    Look at the bright side. Once the system is taken over, healthcare tax over is complete, global warming emissions are taxed, and tax rates are increased…we’ll all be comfortable and taken care of and can stop working.

    We’ll have already stopped working, because there won’t be any jobs. 🙁

    The Dana who's retiring in 1 year, 6 months and 28 days (f6a568)

  20. Curmudgeon’s bile? Dyspeptic Luddite?

    Now, let’s put it to a vote. Whom do those terms describe? Me or DNF?

    Pure Trump playbook. Paste your warts on your opponent.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. But who’s counting, Dana?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. companies are increasingly struggling to pay back existing debts. Loans more than 30 days past due rose in July to 1.63%, the fourth straight monthly increase and the highest delinquency rate since December 2012, separate data from PayNet showed.

    “The thing that scares us is the rise in delinquencies,” said Bill Phelan, PayNet’s president. “Every one of these months where investment is down and delinquencies are up is one step more toward contraction.”

    Here is why the PayNet data matters: the index typically corresponds to U.S. gross domestic product growth one or two quarters ahead. With the U.S. economy growing a paltry 1.1% in Q2, many economists have staked their reputation on the belief that growth will rebound in the third quarter. According to this data, not only will there be no rebound, but growth will deteriorate further.

    Small business borrowing is a key barometer of growth because small companies tend to do much of the hiring that drives economic gains.

    DNF (ffe548)

  23. Had we nominated anyone other than Donald Trump, we’d be looking at a GOP landslide for President — well, maybe not with Ted Cruz! — and a lot better judiciary coming up.

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:47 am
    ==================================================

    …and if I’d only bought those Apple shares 25 years ago… damn…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. “It has become de riguer for our governments, at all levels, to respond to the crisis by plying us with a bunch of misleading statistics about the illegal aliens’ propensity to commit crime versus equivalent statistics for the native population — as if that mattered even a tiny bit. Rather than fulfilling their obligation to defend the homeland from invasion, and solving the problem. Opposition to illegal immigration is not opposition to all immigration. There’s nothing racist about it; what color is “don’t trespass”? A fence is no more bigoted or xenophobic, than a front door on your house that locks.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. I need to get on board that no working train. Welfare, here I come!

    Dejectedhead (c21a67)

  26. Let’s hope when the status quo is maintained that mitch remembers this and the repubs do the same thing. No filibuster of scotus candidates. Majority rules. The problem with the repubs has always been win or lose they let the dems run things.

    Comparing attendance at the different rallies you cannot believe the polls. hillary has to pay people to attend her rallies and she still only gets 82 people. Trump cannot find buildings big enough to fit everyone in.
    I think the polls are using the same people who say obama is doing a great job and then massaging those numbers.

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  27. I’m still voting against McCain.

    For the Democrat?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. …and if I’d only bought those Apple shares 25 years ago… damn…

    Yes, but you act as if you’re still holding on to your Worldcom shares, expecting a miracle.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. “Had we nominated anyone other than Donald Trump, we’d be looking at a GOP landslide for President — well, maybe not with Ted Cruz! — and a lot better judiciary coming up.”

    If you quislings would stop trying to get Hillary elected there would appear to be a good chance for a Republican victory.

    There is much more at stake than just the executive branch

    WAKE UP!

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  30. Loans more than 30 days past due rose in July to 1.63%, the fourth straight monthly increase and the highest delinquency rate since December 2012, separate data from PayNet showed.

    That sounds like it could be a good leading economic indicator.

    So what’s causing this?

    It could be the slight increase in interest rates the Fed imposed around April. Or maybe health insurance premiums squeezing businesses.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  31. “The election campaign momentum has flipped and #nevertrump #halitosis will be the last to know.”

    – DNF

    Must be the special antenna you installed on your tinfoil hat.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  32. Oh, and what are you doing to improve the situation, Simple Jac… errr, Kevin M?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. You know when kids learn new words, then use them all the time without really understanding what they mean?

    Like “quisling” or “virtue signaling”?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  34. If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid. Think about that neverTrumpers.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:31 am

    And if you vote for Trump, you’re voting for the donor to both Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton. Thank about that Trumaplos.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50)

  35. Trump’s presence on the ticket is killing down-ticket races to the point where a Democrat majority in the Senate is a distinct possibility

    Possible but not inevitable.

    Princeton Election Consortium latest results show Clinton ahead in Florida by 5%, while Rubio is ahead by 3%. The Republican Senate candidate is polling 8% ahead of the Republican Presidential candidate. Clinton is tied with Trump in Iowa, but Grassley is ahead 9.5% in his race. In Ohio, Clinton is ahead by 4%, but Portman is up by 8% over his Democratic opponent. In New Hampshire, Clinton is polling 9% ahead of Trump, but the Democratic Senate candidate only 2%. In Nevada, the GOP Senate candidate is up by 1%, while Clinton is up 2%: not as big a difference but it still means that 3% currently plan to vote for Clinton and the GOP Senate candidate.

    And if this was truly an anti-incumbent year, all of them except Nevada ought to show the GOP incumbent doing worse, or at least only as good as, Trump.
    http://election.princeton.edu/

    kishnevi (d764f4)

  36. …and if I’d only bought those Apple shares 25 years ago… damn…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:56 am

    Except nobody knew Apple would take off 25 years ago.

    Everybody knew Trump would lose in a landslide 6 months ago. Well except for the deluded Trumpalos.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50)

  37. Go ahead, Gary, clip his sovereignty…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. “you cannot believe the polls”

    Sure you can. The needle barely moves and the level of antipathy towards both candidates has been very steady for six months.

    Clinton’s organ grinders have been as successful with the full bubble wrap campaign as Trump’s organ grinders have been successful with the barking Chihuahua campaign. Clinton remains slightly above 44% while Trump remains slightly below and Clinton’s organizational edge will be decisive unless Trump manages a KO in the debates.

    He might do it but the current 3/1 odds against him appear reasonable.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  39. Like “quisling”
    Especially odd when Christoph and his mates in the White Identity crowd use it, consider the origin of that term.

    nota bene: PTS, while exhibiting the standard symptoms of the Cult of Trump, has not exhibited any signs of being a White Identity type of person. One can be an idiot but not a racist all at the same time.

    kishnevi (d764f4)

  40. Keep talking him down and your wish will come true, Henry: life under the Demoness Dominatrix Dowager. Get your ball-gag, rubber jammies and knee pads ready, you’re in for a wild ride.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. @the sadly realistic Dana:Had we nominated anyone other than Donald Trump, we’d be looking at a GOP landslide for President — well, maybe not with Ted Cruz! — and a lot better judiciary coming up.

    You just have no evidence for that assertion… “anyone other than Trump” was on the ballot, and they lost. Among Republicans. Not sure why the general population would be more likely to favor non-Trump if Republicans didn’t.

    Or are you saying that Trump drew non-Republicans? If so, then you certainly can’t conclude what you did.

    Or are you saying Republicans are idiots for choosing Trump? Well, so is a lot of the electorate… and calling everyone who rejected conservatives idiots is not the way to make conservative appeal less selective.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  42. A dispirited people squabbling over settled business while their children’s/grandchildren’s/future generation’s fate are left hanging and twisting in the wind. Be proud!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. Goddamned monkeys on parade.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. Anyway if conservative candidates could not secure the nomination of the party where the conservatives are, how on earth can anyone plausibly claim that a more conservative candidate would be doing better among the general electorate where conservatives are a much smaller minority?

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  45. The Quislings who betrayed the Republican Party are the quasi-humans who voted a New York Democrat for its Presidential candidate. So kindly go and get yourselves some New York values. You wanted a New York Democrat for President, you’re going to get a New York Democrat for President.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. But don’t feel too bad. If Bill could survive 40 years with Hillary, we can survive four. And she will send each and every one of us an over-sexed 22-year old. With pizza! What has Trump promised to do for you?

    nk (dbc370)

  47. i like Mr. Trump he’s banging the drum and turning heads

    he says join me you guys!

    we gonna beat that pig!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  48. Trump is the anti-restraint candidate. Making mention of Republican “restraint” is a remarkably pro-Trump acknowledgement.

    Like him or not, Bannon seems to be doing a great job.

    Finally, although I’ve read nothing about it, I have no trouble believing that Hillary’s presence on the Democratic ticket is negatively affecting down ticket Democratic candidacies. Living near S.F., I know lots of Democrats. Not one is strongly enthusiastic about Hillary. Not one.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  49. 2 possible theories: 1. Bradley effect in that people are less “shamed” about their states Republican Senate candidate than Trump (but will really vote Trump as well). 2. They will blank the top line or go Johnson, even Hillary, but they want to hem her in with a definitive R Senate majority. I don’t think group # 2 is that large. I would bank that 1 will have larger effect.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  50. 52
    I think group 2 is larger than you think it is, but I also think that the Bradley effect is causing people to not admit they will vote for Hillary as Crook in Chief. It can run both ways.

    I remain, as I said a few days ago, more than normally skeptical of how accurate the polls are this year because of this.

    kishnevi (d764f4)

  51. you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid. Think about that neverTrumpers.
    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:31 am

    Wrong, Rev. If I’m not voting Trump and I am not voting Clinton, how is it logically possible I’m helping anyone? You can vote Trump all you want. You’re permitted the right to make tour choice. All I ask is the same courtesy from you.

    On another topic, anything yet about your transplant? That false alarm I know was nothing sort of heartbreaking.

    Bill H (576c5e)

  52. That should e “Your. I kin seel reel gud!!

    Bill H (576c5e)

  53. The searchlight strangler, makes me feel fond of tony spilotro, for having tried to dispatch him, dissapointed he didn’t succeed

    narciso (732bc0)

  54. Political polling, over the years, has become increasingly inaccurate. Nate Silver is a household name because 8 years ago, he bucked the trend and was the outlier who got the election right. If Trump wins, it will be hard to know if there was a Brady effect or if the pollsters were simply wrong again.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  55. i’ll know

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  56. I’d say a whole array of examples from Israel to the uk suggests the latter.

    narciso (732bc0)

  57. 20.If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid. Think about that neverTrumpers.

    Not really. Reid is retiring at the end of his term, which expires on January 3rd. And I’m free to vote for any Republican running for any office, regardless of whether I support Trump for President. So, the most you can say is that if I don’t vote for Trump, I’m not voting for Trump.
    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:48 am

    I meant that metaphorically, Chuck I know you aren’t literally voting for Reid. Duh! Certainly you can vote for anyone you want and it doesn’t even have to be a Republican, have I suggested you couldn’t? But still the most I can say is if you don’t vote for Trump you’re enabling Hillary!. That’s because she needs to overcome one less Trump vote to win. Or does that allude you?

    48.The Quislings who betrayed the Republican Party are the quasi-humans who voted a New York Democrat for its Presidential candidate. So kindly go and get yourselves some New York values. You wanted a New York Democrat for President, you’re going to get a New York Democrat for President.
    nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2016 @ 10:38 am

    Once again, nk, the primary is over! Stop arguing over the damn primaries, our man lost. Now we go forward. “You wanted a New York democrat for president” what does that even mean? I don’t think other than happyfeet anyone here vote Trump in the primaries. You keep fighting the last election instead of trying to win the next.

    And if you vote for Trump, you’re voting for the donor to both Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton. Thank about that Trumaplos.
    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 9/2/2016 @ 10:21 am

    So what? That was then, this is now. If you patronize Coke, mcDonalda, Apple, Microsoft, Proctor&Gamble, Purena and a thousand other companies you’re patronizing people who donated to Reid and Hillary!. So what? If you’re looking for 100% perfection, eat a bullet cause on this earth there ain’t none.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  58. They will Never get over macho grande,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. Perfection is the enemy of good common sense.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. It’s hard to take seriously the claim that Republicans are showing ‘restraint’ when the Senate refused to consider *any* Supreme Court nominee from the sitting President, before he named *anyone*.

    That wasn’t restraint – and, now that Sen. Grassley has started talking about maybe holding a vote on Garland in the lame duck session if Sec. Clinton wins, it’s also becoming clear that it was about partisan power rather than the principle that the next President should decide.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  61. Shirley you can’t be serious

    narciso (732bc0)

  62. Apparently so… wow.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. Salon, Rosie,zaphod and schemer all made it cleat no nominee would pass if they had anything to do with it

    narciso (732bc0)

  64. Harry Reid is saying this because he won’t be in the Senate. I think it is intended to send a signal to Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell.

    The message is: If you want to preserve the filibuster rule, don’t do any filibusters on hugely important matters in the next Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  65. Once President Hillary’s executive branch and federal court appointees erode federalism to the point that Texas evolves into Texachusetts, maybe the #NeverTrumpers will finally admit, “Yeah, maybe we should have voted for Trump over Shrillary.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  66. If the filubuster rule is formally abolished, it won’t be put back the next time the republicans gain amajority in the Senate.

    But if instead the Republicans just simply don’t mount any filibusters, or abandon them at least when Charles Schumer tells them to stop it or he’ll invoke the nuclear option, then it will be available for the Democrats to use after 2018.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  67. 68. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/2/2016 @ 12:18 pm

    Once President Hillary’s executive branch and federal court appointees erode federalism to the point that Texas evolves into Texachusetts, maybe the #NeverTrumpers will finally admit, “Yeah, maybe we should have voted for Trump over Shrillary.”

    No, they’ll go back further in time.

    We should have run a third party campaign. We should have campaigned harder against Trump in the primaries. Bush should have dropped out sooner. Someone else should have gotten in.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  68. @35 Leviticus

    You are an anile fool like your candidate.

    Did I use that correctly?

    Pinandpuller (c83609)

  69. And they’ll say: We have to have a third party candidate – that has to be started before the primaries. we’ll start a party – get ready to nominate a candiate by the time the primaries are ending in June.

    The Republican party, in any case, is now ballot-box poison at the presidential level.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  70. While ISIS is on the move, China is expanding into international waters, Iran is goofing on Barack, and the Democrats egg on street thugs (and second string 49ers quarterbacks!) to screw with the police, let’s just continue to litigate the GOP primaries!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  71. Sammy,

    Whom else should have thrown his hat in the ring?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  72. But still the most I can say is if you don’t vote for Trump you’re enabling Hillary!. That’s because she needs to overcome one less Trump vote to win. Or does that allude you?

    Pretty sure you meant “elude”, so don’t be so condescending when you are far from perfect.

    What you said was that the NeverTrumpers were de facto supporting Harry Reid, presumably as Senate Majority Leader. Perhaps you meant it more broadly, in that those who didn’t support Trump were somehow supporting a Democrat take-over of the Senate. In both cases, you’re wrong. It’s hardly difficult to see that someone who refuses to support Trump would easily support some other Republican running for some other office. And it’s hard to deny that the very fact that Trump is running at the top of the Republican ticket is hurting other Republicans down the ticket; that’s not the fault of the NeverTrumpers, it’s the fault of Trump being such a horrendously bad candidate.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  73. Mr Supporter asked:

    Whom else should have thrown his hat in the ring?

    Part of the problem was that too many candidates threw their hats in the ring. Everyone knew that Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum and Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie and Rick Perry had no fornicating chance, but when you snag 1% out of a field of 17 candidates, that is going to have an impact on the other candidates.

    Had the field been reasonable, say Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, John Kasich and Donald Trump, things might, might! have turned out differently.

    The Dana who supported Carly Fiorina (f6a568)

  74. The truth is that it’s the people who don’t vote at all who will enable the Democrats.

    The Rt Rev Hoagie® and I both live in Pennsylvania, and Hillary Clinton will carry the Keystone State; if the race becomes so tight that Donald Trump has a chance here, then it doesn’t matter, because he’s going to win in a landslide everywhere else!

    I can vote for Gary Johnson, and it won’t take anything away from Donald Trump. What’s important is that I go to the polls and vote to re-elect Pat Toomey to the Senate.

    The GOP will hold the House, period, which means that no truly stupid legislation will pass. But the Senate confirms judges, and that’s where the danger lays.

    If Donald Trump wins, he could really placate Republicans by nominating Ted Cruz to fill the vacancy left by the death of Antonin Scalia.

    The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  75. And still you keep attacking trump. You will get what you deserve! If hillary can remember to get you after her concussion.

    jiji (56b082)

  76. aphrael wrote:

    That wasn’t restraint – and, now that Sen. Grassley has started talking about maybe holding a vote on Garland in the lame duck session if Sec. Clinton wins, it’s also becoming clear that it was about partisan power rather than the principle that the next President should decide.

    Of course it’s about partisan power; no one ever thought differently.

    The obviously realistic Dana (f6a568)

  77. @ Dana Who (#76): The big field early in the primaries wasn’t that much of a problem, and the “undercard” debate system actually worked, sorta, as planned, with Fiorina briefly moving from it to the top group but then fading.

    The problem was two-fold: (1) First, we had a sui generis candidate, someone who isn’t a Republican but who could peel off the stupidest and most gullible layer of previous Republican voters and who could energize a small but enthusiastic segment of true crazies who don’t care about qualifications or past public service, but care only about Trump’s BS. There was no such comparable core of extremists behind Bush-41 or Bush-43 or McCain or Romney, and nothing Trump said or did could alienate them as long as he kept being outrageous about something, which with Trump is indeed a pretty safe bet. (2) Second, we had two candidates whose path to nomination had essentially disappeared after South Carolina — Kasich & Rubio — but who stubbornly, and destructively to the GOP, refused to recognize that, which in delayed the rally behind the last remaining alternative to Trump (Cruz) until too late in the game.

    It wasn’t that the field was too big, it’s that it didn’t narrow in response to early primary results, and that its plurality leader was a once-in-a-lifetime black swan political phenomenon.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  78. Omitted a word via an editing error. That last sentence in the next-to-last paragraph ought to have ended: “… but who stubbornly, and destructively to the GOP, refused to recognize that, which in turn delayed the rally behind the last remaining alternative to Trump (Cruz) until too late in the game.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  79. Below is the list of things Clinton could not recall in the FBI interview:

    When she received security clearance
    Being briefed on how to handle classified material
    How many times she used her authority to designate items classified
    Any briefing on how to handle very top-secret “Special Access Program” material
    How to select a target for a drone strike
    How the data from her mobile devices was destroyed when she switched devices
    The number of times her staff was given a secure phone
    Why she didn’t get a secure Blackberry
    Receiving any emails she thought should not be on the private system
    Did not remember giving staff direction to create private email account
    Getting guidance from state on email policy
    Who had access to her Blackberry account
    The process for deleting her emails
    Ever getting a message that her storage was almost full
    Anyone besides Huma Abedin being offered an account on the private server
    Being sent information on state government private emails being hacked
    Receiving cable on State Dept personnel securing personal email accounts
    Receiving cable on Bryan Pagliano upgrading her server
    Using an iPad mini
    An Oct. 13, 2012, email on Egypt with Clinton pal Sidney Blumenthal
    Jacob Sullivan using personal email
    State Department protocol for confirming classified information in media reports
    Every briefing she received after suffering concussions
    Being notified of a FOIA request on Dec. 11, 2012
    Being read out of her clearance
    Any further access to her private email account from her State Department tenure after switching to her HRCoffice.com account

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  80. Also @ DanaWho: FWIW, your home-state Senator, while in Washington, rents a bedroom in a townhome near the Treasury Department. The townhome’s owner is a friend of a friend, and very kindly volunteered to let my oldest son live in another bedroom this past summer while he was working at a summer internship for a Congressman from Houston. So my son and your senator shared a bathroom this summer. 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  81. Heck ya, Harry baby. with the no fight right it should be smooth sailing, Harry baby.

    mg (31009b)

  82. Beldar wrote:

    we had a sui generis candidate, someone who isn’t a Republican but who could peel off the stupidest and most gullible layer of previous Republican voters and who could energize a small but enthusiastic segment of true crazies who don’t care about qualifications or past public service, but care only about Trump’s BS.

    You know, there have been a whole lot of Republicans who complained bitterly about the “GOPe” and our elected Republicans not listening to what the public actually want. We wanted a Republican who wouldn’t get ‘Washingtonized,’ and, let’s face it, Donald Trump played that game better than any of the others. Only Ted Cruz could have competed with Mr Trump in that area, and he managed to piss off all of the people with whom he’d have to work if he did get elected. Quite frankly, even though his policies are spot-on, he’s a terrible salesman. The people who already agree with him love him, but he cannot expand his appeal beyond that.

    Donald Trump said what the primary voters wanted to hear, and he said it in a way that they wanted to hear it. The man has charisma, whether we want to admit it or not, and can get people to follow him.

    The libertarian Dana (f6a568)

  83. Beldar, don’t say that, or the left will claim that it’s evidence of an ‘improper relationship.’

    I mean, didn’t Hillary Clinton prove that newly elected senators should buy mansions in Georgetown?

    The horrified Dana (f6a568)

  84. Reid won’t be running the senate next year. And when he was running it and had a chance to get rid of the filibuster he didn’t do it. Will Schumer (or whoever) do it? Nobody knows, and certainly not Reid.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  85. As Dana pointed out he and I are both in Pennsylvania. Dana’s sure it won’t even be close hare but I’m not so sure. I’m also not as politically savvy as he. I’m not breaking up my vote because I find it silly. If I’m going to support the Party I’m going to support it all. There’s no point voting down ballot and blowing off the top of the ticket in my opinion.

    Trump’s not the guy I wanted but he’s the guy who won and the guy that can keep the worst person possible out of the White House. I have to vote for Trump even if he won’t win PA just so when they tally the votes mine will have counted for something even if just for show.

    I don’t believe our republic has been going in the right direction for a long time. If Hillary! wins our country is not recoverable and we will be a second rate nation in a decade.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  86. The libertarian Dana (f6a568) — 9/2/2016 @ 1:32 pm

    elected Republicans not listening to what the public actually want.

    They are not listening to some things that are going uncontradicted on talk radio taht there is good reason to reject.

    Now the problem is that the people who “want” things are uninformed – they don’t know what the facts are on the public policy issue, or at least have a mistaken view of enough facts that what they want to happen never could happen, or nobody would want it to happen. Or they don’t know what the political reality in Washington is.

    We wanted a Republican who wouldn’t get ‘Washingtonized,’ and, let’s face it, Donald Trump played that game better than any of the others.

    And some people thought he was honest, because he wasn’t “politically correct.”

    Donald Trump’s strategy was always to be standing alone. To coin a phrase, he was not going to be trumped.

    One idea he hit on was not only having a “wall” along the Mexican border, but having Mexico pay for it. There was some competition for the wall, like from Cruz, but none for having Mexico pay for it.

    And he’s not willing to go back on that even now, because he feels that would make his supporters feel he’s betraying them. He was going to leave the idea of Mexico paying for the wall out of his speech in Phoenix, until the president of Mexico tweeted that he told him at the meeting (where Guiliani, Sessions and Kushner were also present) that Mexico would not pay for the wall. He had indeed but it had not been on the agenda, and Giuliani told him right away that Trump didn’t want to disccuss this now.

    After that tweet, Trump told the Wall Street Journal, he had no choice but to reiterate it in his speech.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  87. If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid.

    How so? Reid will be out of office on January 3rd, no matter what happens in the election.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  88. The catheter trollop needs a fainting couch at the debates.

    mg (31009b)

  89. Ronald Reagan’s loss to Gerald Ford for the 1976 Republican nomination didn’t make him a terrible salesman. I don’t know where the Cruz “is a terrible salesman” meme came from, but it’s absolute nonsense. A number of “second choice” polls were conducted during the primary season and Cruz won almost all of them. If not for the celebrity appeal of Shorty, Cruz would have been the nominee. Living in California, as I believe you do, Dana, you should be well aware of the political pull of celebrity candidates. I grew up in Orange County. For most of my life Orange County was Orange County. Now it is “The OC,” thanks to Hollywood and all the schlubs who yearn for celebrity.

    The criticism that Cruz “managed to piss off all the people with whom he’d have to work if he did get elected,” is the platform on which Jeb! and the other distant also-rans used against Cruz. It wasn’t convincing coming from them; it isn’t convincing coming from you. Pissing off Republican insiders is, in fact, the characteristic which distinguishes the two Republican front-runners, Trump and Cruz, from the rest of the pack. That’s why the two of them garnered the lion’s share of votes. Pissing off the GOPe was a quality most primary voters were looking for. Aren’t you looking for it too? I know I am.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  90. @70 Sammy

    The only reason Trump ascended is that there were too many good GOP candidates heh.

    Pinandpuller (d2aba7)

  91. Sammy

    Trump was the third party nominee that made it on the second party ballot.

    Pinandpuller (d2aba7)

  92. @77 Dana

    Cruz would never accept Trump’s nomination to the SC. It’s in his high minded self-interest for Trump to crash and burn. He’s looking to 2020 or 2024. He can damn Trump with faint praise from the senate until then.

    If Trump wins.

    Pinandpuller (d2aba7)

  93. 94… ANY of those that were up during the primaries are more fit for the office than Mrs. Bill Clinton .

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  94. 90.If you don’t vote for Trump, you’re voting for Harry Reid.

    How so? Reid will be out of office on January 3rd, no matter what happens in the election.
    Milhouse (5a188d) — 9/2/2016 @ 2:04 pm

    I’ve already gone over that Milhouse, you’re not paying attention.

    Pissing off the GOPe was a quality most primary voters were looking for. Aren’t you looking for it too? I know I am.

    Pissing off the GOP was fine for primary fun but now it’s time to piss off the democrats, bury their candidate and defile the media. A Trump vote does all three.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  95. Thor… shout out to teh fellow OC boy… Katella High School in Anaheim, and you?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. Reid won’t be running the senate next year. And when he was running it and had a chance to get rid of the filibuster he didn’t do it. Will Schumer (or whoever) do it? Nobody knows, and certainly not Reid.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 9/2/2016 @ 2:02 pm
    ==============================================

    You aren’t a part of the backroom discussions, so you don’t know one way or the other. That much WE – and you – do know.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. We didn’t know it at the time but we grew up behind teh Orange Curtain.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. “TOO DUMB TO BE PRESIDENT? Clinton told FBI she didn’t understand classified intel.

    Related: FBI Data Dump Shows Clinton is Criminal and Clueless: Hillary is either dishonest or dumb—there is no third choice. By giving her the Comey get-out-of-jail-free card in spite of this — and by scheduling this release for the Friday before Labor Day Weekend — the FBI has demonstrated that it doesn’t deserve its position either.

    Plus: Clinton, aides told FBI conflicting stories about email use.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/242912/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. Need a match?

    mg (31009b)

  100. RIP Jon Polito… that guy will be missed.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. 82. PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/2/2016 @ 1:20 pm

    Below is the list of things Clinton could not recall in the FBI interview:

    Do you have a link?

    Some of these things Hillary can credibily claim not to remember, at least exactly, some not. She couldn’t remember a lot in the 1990s, too, in some deposition or something.

    When she received security clearance

    you mean theer are no records of this? I think the problem is she may have access to classified information before she wass given a security clearance, but she doesn’t want to say that. It also leads to follow-up questions, which she doesn’t want to answer. Including did she understand secuity procedures.

    Being briefed on how to handle classified material

    Thats the follow-up question. Because she didn’t follow them entirely. And I think also she didn thngs nobody now even suspects – like tell Sidney blumenthal secrets or at least State Department reaction to his propaganda, over the telephone

    How many times she used her authority to designate items classified

    Unless that number is zero or in the low single digits, she’s not going to know taht. What’s that about? Maybe she never did that. It could only get her in trouble, if someone said was classified was told to someone not authorized to get it.

    Any briefing on how to handle very top-secret “Special Access Program” material

    she won’t admit she ever wass told anything if she was told something.

    How to select a target for a drone strike

    Vetoing a strike might be within her area of responsibility

    How the data from her mobile devices was destroyed when she switched devices

    She hired people to know that kind of stuff.

    The number of times her staff was given a secure phone

    Never, if you mean secure from subpoenas both from prosecutors or Congressional committees and Freedom of Information Act requests. Inspector generals, too, but she made sure the State Department had no Inspector General during her tenure. She was the only one who had device secure from U.S. government prying. That’s why Huma Abedin needed to get access to her Blackberry.

    Why she didn’t get a secure Blackberry

    It wouldn’t have been secure from subpoenas, Congressional committees, prosecutors, Inspector generals, the president, and even Freedom of Information Act requests.

    Receiving any emails she thought should not be on the private system

    Her concern was private e-mail that shouldn’t be on government system. It might even be incriminating!

    Did not remember giving staff direction to create private email account

    Yeah, they just set up clintonemail.com accounts by themselves.

    Getting guidance from state on email policy

    She ignored it, or found problems with it.

    Who had access to her Blackberry account

    It seems like Huma Abedin maybe did, although it could be it was only aht she used her Blackberry. The SYSOP of clintonemail.com probably did.

    The process for deleting her emails

    She left that to others. None were deleted until the State Department started asking questions afetr geeting subpoenas from the Trey Committee.

    Ever getting a message that her storage was almost full

    That might have happened, but the SYSOP quickly took care of that.

    Anyone besides Huma Abedin being offered an account on the private server

    So Cheryl Mills didn’t have one?

    Being sent information on state government private emails being hacked

    If it was sent, she got it.

    Receiving cable on State Dept personnel securing personal email accounts

    Receiving cable on Bryan Pagliano upgrading her server

    These cables evidently were sent. She won’t comment. Using an iPad mini What – she claims not to remember using that device?

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  102. Milhouse (5a188d) — 9/2/2016 @ 2:02 pm

    Will Schumer (or whoever) do it? Nobody knows, and certainly not Reid.

    I think the goal is to get McConnell not to use the filibuster without havinbg to abolish it, so that when the Republicans gain control again, the Democrats can usew it.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  103. Colonel Haiku,

    Orange High.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  104. FBI
    Forever Bill’s Investigators

    mg (31009b)

  105. Reid is assuming a lot.

    Reuters/Ipsos: Trump 40, Hillary 39 for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1.

    LA Times/USC Dornsife shows a larger Trump lead (Rasmussen does too, but they suck as pollsters, so let’s discount them).

    Trump will gain after the Mexico visit, so these numbers are latent and low. And here’s the thing. Remember Brexit. Polls showed Brexit as much as 10 points behind Bremain, but Brexit won.

    Why? People don’t like telling strangers on the phone about their controversial positions, that they know many people would hate them for—or in the case of Trump, possibly do violence to! It’s happened all throughout this election cycle to Trump supporters. Trump, not surprisingly, does better in online polling as did Brexit.

    If Trump isn’t actually ahead right now, it is extremely close. Hillary is running a scandal a minute and Trump is going to foreign countries to negotiate deals. Then the debates come up.

    HILLARY 
    is going to need to win the debates if she’s to have any chance, at this rate.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  106. Nice, old-timey school building per my recollection, Thor.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. I was at a party the other day and a young guest spoke words I have spoken many times in my life: “What sort of idiot could be undecided just two months before an election like this one?” I raised my hand, wondering if I had sounded so foolish when asking the same question.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  108. Comey should be impeached by the House, as Ace says, he can’t be removed from office, but his name should be blackened for allowing the FBI to be used like this.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. So Daniel Lynn a tuakly interviewed the one who coined alt right Paul gottfreid, and he had some interesting things to say.

    narciso (732bc0)

  110. Container shipper Hanjin, handling 8% of world’s container traffic, has just entered bankruptcy:

    According to the WSJ, freight brokers in Asia said about 540,000 containers are expected to face delivery delays that one of them said could range from a few days to more than a month.

    Anyone hoping for a quick resolution to chaos unleashed by the Hanjin bankruptcy, should not hold their breath. While Hanjin has obtained creditor protection in Korea, and secured an injunction protecting its ships against seizure domestically, it needs to quickly file for bankruptcy abroad, especially in Europe and the US, in order to keep its ships moving.

    Unfortunately, going the litigation route will be a disaster, as cargo reclamation would bottleneck the legal system and leave it stuck in limbo for years. Even without a lawsuit, cargo owners will have to wait for months to get their cargo off Hanjin ships, analysts said.

    ”In 2001, Cho Yang, a much smaller Korean carrier, went bust and it took six months before a mere 200 containers, handled by a single freight forwarder, could be taken off to ports,” said Lars Jensen of Copenhagen-based SeaIntelligence Consulting. “This is at a much bigger scale so I would not be surprised if scores of boxes on stranded Hanjin vessels ever actually make it to their destination.”

    Unexpectedly!

    DNF (ffe548)

  111. Watching a recent Nick Lowe show on BBC4 on YouTube this afternoon, sweet jaysus that guy is one helluva songwriter/performer.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. 104.RIP Jon Polito… that guy will be missed.
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2016 @ 3:16 pm

    He was great, Colonel. I loved him in the opening of Miller’s Crossing. “Used ta be when ya bought a fighter the SOB stayed bought”. Or when Albert Finney asks: “So you want me to kill him?” And Polio’s character replies: “For starters”.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  113. Comey should be impeached by the House, as Ace says, he can’t be removed from office, but his name should be blackened for allowing the FBI to be used like this.

    Absolutely.

    So much so that the House is contemptible if they don’t do it. Alas.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  114. The old OHS became Chapman College. It is a beautiful place. The new OHS, built in the late-1950’s, is nice, but not nearly so grand.

    Our gym, which I loved, is in the giant quonset hut style. Except for demographics, Orange High is remarkably unchanged.

    The Katella High I remember was of early- to mid-1960’s design. Your powerhouse basketball team played in a huge box of a gym. The Katella High and Orange High attendance areas are immediately adjacent, over by Angel Stadium.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  115. I saw Nick Lowe the last time he came through town. It was a great show.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  116. Schwab’s Jeffrey Kleintop noted that the yield curve’s track record was seven-for-seven, as in perfect when it came to predicting recession. Business Insider caught his remarks.

    In the event you’re unfamiliar with the contorted concept, visualize a curve on a graph. Plotted are the bond yields (assume U.S. Treasurys in this case) against the length of time that remains between now and their maturity date. In a normal world, the shorter the maturity, the lower the yield. Investors should naturally expect to be paid less and less as the period of time shrinks over which they’ve assumed the risk of a bond price declining. With me? Hold bond for longer, chance price decline occurs higher. Got it.

    An inverted yield curve, however, signals an economy is about to be turned upside down. Longer term yields tend to decline when the market foresees weak economic activity on the horizon. The weaker the outlook, the flatter the curve. Actual inversion is thus a process; it might begin to manifest in five-or-ten-year Treasurys having higher yields than the Long Bond, the 30-year. A full blown inversion doesn’t occur until the yields on the shortest-maturity, commonly quoted bonds, say the two-year, are higher than that of the longest maturity bonds.

    To borrow from Kleintop’s succinct explanation: “The yield curve inversion usually takes place about 12 months before the start of the recession, but the lead time ranges from five to 16 months.”

    The latest kick to the curve started with New York Fed President Bill Dudley’s and Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Stanley Fischer’s complacency castigations. The crescendo arrived with Janet Yellen echoing her two top lieutenants in sounding a bit more hawkish than she would have otherwise. The camaraderie on full display captured in images of the threesome emerging from the Jackson Hole meeting was the proverbial icing on the cake. It was sufficient to send the difference between the 10-year and two-year Treasury to 75 basis points, or hundredths of a percentage point, about where it is today.

    Aggregate purchases are nearing $200 billion per month creating a vacuum across other countries’ yield curves as the supply of eligible securities with positive yields dwindles.

    According to the Financial Times’ math from earlier this month, “Three years ago the difference between two- and 10-year Treasurys, gilts (U.K.), Bunds (Germany), and Japanese government bonds was about 228 basis points (bps), 201 bps, 150 bps and 65 bps respectively. Despite a slight reversal, the same spread now stands at 87 bps, 61 bps, 55 bps and just 9 bps.”

    It’s altogether possible that one more hike would be all it takes to invert the yield curve. The rest, as history has never failed to repeat, would be just that – history. Should the Fed decide to ignore the warning flashing in the flattening yield curve, there could indeed be a bad moon on the rise over the U.S. economy.

    DNF (ffe548)

  117. 109. I don’t believe Hill has the stamina for debate prep, she’ll just fall back on a continuous stream of vomit.

    DNF (ffe548)

  118. The republican house makes me think of Potemkin Village.

    mg (31009b)

  119. it makes me think of Village Inn cause of pancakes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. Trump’s presence on the ticket is killing down-ticket races to the point where a Democrat majority in the Senate is a distinct possibility. If that happens, you can bet they will play every card they have.

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume this is true. What is the best way for you to deal with that reality? A) Continue to disparage Trump at every opportunity, presumably with the goal of seeing him defeated, or B) Accept that Trump is the nominee and that the best chance stymie Democrats, both presidential and senatorial, is to support Trump, however reluctantly.

    Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83)

  121. 96. Cruz is well past his best to buy date. Milwaukee has had the most murderous Summer in 25 years, Chiraq on a per capita basis the same.

    The Progs are pushing Federal oversight of municipal police as another reason to exit the workplace.

    We are reaping the whirlwind.

    DNF (755a85)

  122. 124. Yes, but one needs an IQ of 39 or better to grasp your point.

    DNF (755a85)

  123. 10-20-30-40, I made it.

    mg (31009b)

  124. Hillary has more fill ins than Carson in his prime.

    mg (31009b)

  125. 93. Comparing Cruz to Reagan is daft. Cruz burns bridges, he does not patiently build them over decades.

    He is an transparent opportunist and stone cold blind to opportunity lost.

    DNF (755a85)

  126. right? he should be mortified but he’s so deluded how much a total juvenile dork-ass he made of himself

    him and kim davis are peasies in a podsy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  127. 48. God has handed nk his azz and nk has a thing or two to take upside His head.

    GLWT.

    DNF (755a85)

  128. 129)I would say he’s closer to phil crane, a leading figure in his own right, had certain gifts and certain shortcomings,

    they seem to be taking lurch’s hint as information policy

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-claims-responsibility-copenhagen-shooting-that-injured-two-police-officers-christiania-1579447

    buccaneer morgan (732bc0)

  129. Cruz could always teach law at Big Bend National Park.

    mg (31009b)

  130. so those words red queen and jonah were using,

    http://spectator.org/conservative-crackup-redux/

    buccaneer morgan (732bc0)

  131. #nevertrump seems to be convinced losing to HRC will awaken trailer trash like yours truly to their honorableness, rationality, erudition and seasoned wisdom and we’ll come crawling back to them on our squishy bellies in contrition, “Please vote for us, please tell us what to think and how to appease your righteous anger with your unworthy servants”.

    Am I close?

    DNF (ffe548)

  132. sorry about that, cutlass was deployed on days like this, oddly searchlight’s mob ties are known to few, who haven’t read ‘fedora’s work, david johnson and wayne barrett didn’t seem to have ventured west, dan moldea slimed laxalt, on less solid charges,

    narciso (732bc0)

  133. Thank goodness for McCain and the Gang of 14!

    If he gets reelected and the Dems take the Senate, I wonder if the light bulb will finally go on his head, and he’ll be able to see the Democrats for what they are in his last go round.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  134. have you considered that living in midian, just is not good for children, women or animals,

    http://m.startribune.com/minnesota-health-plans-seek-big-premium-jumps/392058421/

    narciso (732bc0)

  135. 137. More likely he be playing Donkey Kong on his Atari walkman.

    DNF (755a85)

  136. heck no, intellevision, going for the most obscure reference possible,

    narciso (732bc0)

  137. 138. My plan is to coast to 65 in May naked as I entered(and might soon go out) but for the fact the Big Guy has more for me to do and seems to pay particular regard to my well being.

    DNF (ffe548)

  138. more info than I was willing to elicit, now I know carlson and durenberger, made governor target possible, but what was the excuse this last time,

    narciso (732bc0)

  139. The sainted Ronald Reagan! I love it!

    Do you think Reagan hadn’t also pissed off “all the people with whom he’d have to work if he did get elected” before he arrived in Washington? He was viewed as a traitor for contesting the nomination of a sitting Republican U.S. President. Reagan was an outsider who was branded by those on both the right and left as an extremist. He set the standard for anti-establishment conservatism, losing to Gerald Ford in 1976 and defeating George H.W. Bush in 1980, both darlings of the mainstream. He even went so far as refraining from endorsing Ford at the 1976 convention. Sound familiar?

    I will grant you Cruz lacks Reagan’s good looks and charisma. So if that is your standard, sure, he’s no Reagan. It is, however, a rather superficial standard.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  140. 142. Partly because there are no conservatives of any stripe leading the GOP in MN, with Bachmann retired. The electorate will make this Presidential contest close but I cannot say with confidence what the outcome will be, polling except for the al StarTrib is next to non-existent.

    This is a flaccid, materialist, ‘nice’ culture yet to feel the pain remaining states in the MidWest are suffering.

    As highly polarized as neighboring WI is, MN is catatonic.

    DNF (ffe548)

  141. I think some of his advisors, like alice stewart steered him in the wrong place, if this was a time for rebels, it wasn’t a moment to be overly sectarian,

    narciso (732bc0)

  142. how hard is it to understand that st. denis and molenbeek were always ground zero, raqqua and ramadi, were the destination,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3770781/Collapse-ISIS-Iraq-Syria-increases-risk-terror-attacks-West-warns-French-anti-terror-prosecutor.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  143. When Reagan was Cruz’ age, he was about to be cast in Hellcats of the Navy. How many political bridges had he built by then? He hadn’t even built his bridge with Nancy Davis in 1956.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  144. 143. Superficial, indeed. Reagan was the Great Communicator educating back in the 60’s the Right in the dangers of government’s being the problem rather than the solution.

    Your focus on ’76 presents a hopeful eye to 2020 as Reagan gained the Presidency in ’80. Well, being ever positive, charming and a gentleman if they counted for anything, Cruz is bereft of their benefit.

    The real failure of your comparison will be found in a nation at its bottom in ’80, crushed by oil shocks, foreign policy embarrassments in Iran, Egypt and etc., but this time around we are far from the nadir.

    Reagan had Executive experience and a couple of national campaigns under his belt. Cruz will not be a man of greater achievement than he is today. He is a divider not a uniter.

    DNF (ffe548)

  145. well five years ago, they thought they wouldn’t have trump to kick around anymore, but we can’t take a chance on any more fundamental transformation,

    narciso (732bc0)

  146. “When asked what the parenthetical ‘C’ meant before a paragraph … Clinton stated she did not know and could only speculate it was referencing paragraphs marked in alphabetical order,” the FBI wrote in notes from its interview with her.

    this is who the oh so principled nevertrumpies wanna do all up in america

    good god

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  147. i guess the oh so reaganesque harvardtrash ted will hold america down while they do it

    leadership eff yeah

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. The Katella High I remember was of early- to mid-1960’s design. Your powerhouse basketball team played in a huge box of a gym. The Katella High and Orange High attendance areas are immediately adjacent, over by Angel Stadium.

    ThOR (c9324e) — 9/2/2016 @ 3:59 pm
    ========================================================
    Yep, mid-60s, first class year was ’66-67, I played on one of those late 60s teams, our star player went on to play for Tarkanian at CS-Long Beach, a heckuva shooter, but he ended up being one of the earliest of what became know as a point guard. Red Auerbach talked him up and said he was thinking of drafting him, but that fell thru.

    One of my classmates/teammates (who unfortunately passed away last year) was the younger brother of Capt. Chip Burlingame and older brother of Debbie, who we’ve all come to know as an eloquent spokesperson for the 9/11 families and conservative political causes. Another classmate was hardworking Congressman Ed Royce.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  149. The real lesson of this season to date is America is fed up with its political class.

    Pizzing and moaning about that reality will be even more pointless in four years time because its into the borehole we dive.

    DNF (ffe548)

  150. that is the fundamental reality, kabuki has about run it’s course, black swan will likely flap it’s wings soon, making vanderhold wallace-quijano, as relevant as marcel marceau, (how’s that for imagery)

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. A new report by S&P Global points out that the number of “at-risk” high-yield issuers (i.e. those with a B- or lower rating and negative outlook) soared in 2016 to the highest level since the “great recession” of 2009. As Bloomberg points out, S&P’s list of the most “at-risk” corporate issuers included 251 companies and $359 billion of debt which is the highest level since October 2009. As S&P’s head of global fixed income research notes, issuers at the low end of the HY rating spectrum have historically been 10x more likely to miss bond payments than other HY issuers.

    To be sure, Energy issuers are driving a disproportionate share of HY stress with 12-month trailing default rates increasing to 26.9% at the end of July.

    Meanwhile, defaults of Metals and Mining issuers declined somewhat from their peak but remained elevated with 12-month trailing default rates at 16.7% at the end of July.

    DNF (755a85)

  152. When Reagan was “educating” back in the 1960s with the Goldwater campaign, he was 9 years Cruz’ senior.

    May I also remind you that Reagan’s role as an FBI informant, as well as his anti-communist efforts as the SAG President, a position he last held when he was 3 years older than Cruz, burned a lot of bridges within the motion picture industry and among Democrats, his party at the time. These were principled stands and I respect Reagan for those efforts, even is they were unpopular with his contemporaries. Once again, sound familiar? Reagan was a man of principle who stood up for his beliefs, even if others disagreed. The suggestion that Reagan was always and everywhere a bridge builder is simply wrong. The fact that Reagan was willing to stand up for unpopular principle is part of the man’s greatness. Ditto Cruz.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  153. DNF (ffe548) — 9/2/2016 @ 3:51 pm

    Yes, and currently, no port will allow any of their ships to dock.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/2/2016 @ 3:52 pm

    Oh, John Polito! He delivered many great lines in that movie. Here’s two more:

    “Are you givin’ me the high-hat?”

    “That’s a penny you owe’im.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  154. @ Horrified Dana: Oh, it gets worse. Before he started sleeping at his House office, Paul Ryan used to use the bedroom my son had this summer.

    And @ the carefully small-l libertarian Dana, who wrote

    You know, there have been a whole lot of Republicans who complained bitterly about the “GOPe” and our elected Republicans not listening to what the public actually want. We wanted a Republican who wouldn’t get ‘Washingtonized,’ and, let’s face it, Donald Trump played that game better than any of the others. Only Ted Cruz could have competed with Mr Trump in that area, and he managed to piss off all of the people with whom he’d have to work if he did get elected. Quite frankly, even though his policies are spot-on, he’s a terrible salesman. The people who already agree with him love him, but he cannot expand his appeal beyond that.

    Cruz is passionate but not naturally endearing; to the contrary, even many of his most loyal continuing supporters here in Texas had to warm up to his principles before they could begin to respond favorably, or even neutrally, to his personality. Despite all that, Cruz denied Trump the nomination later into the primaries than any GOP presidential candidate since at least 1976, and he beat Trump like a rented mule in some must-win GOP battleground states (WI, CO) and in some core-pillar-red-states (TK, OK). Trump’s ultimate nomination was far shakier than Ford’s in 1976, and had Cruz done this year as Reagan did in 1976 — encourage delegate shenanigans to re-open a floor fight — Cruz might well have succeeded where Reagan failed. I think you’re giving Trump far too much credit, perhaps because we’re all in the position of watching the dancing dog: He’s certainly exceeded our expectations, which were very low indeed, but that doesn’t mean he’s Baryshnikov.

    You’re right, though, that Trump and Cruz were both anti-GOPe candidates; I’d include Fiorina in that category too. I would not include Rudio, nor Kasich (of course), nor anyone else in the field in that category. But there were, and remain, yuuuuuuuuuge differences between Ted Cruz’ version of that, which stressed the need to return to constitutional principles and traditional values, and Donald Trump’s, which is some sort of incoherent rage and desire for revenge.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  155. Not that he actually believes any of that; he’s a statist and a crony capitalist like Hillary. But yeah, that’s the distinct variety of anti-GOPe that he rode to a remarkably modest plurality of primary voters while the primary was still in dispute.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  156. Just watching recording of today’s Fox News Special Report program, went straight to the panel and the amen chorus will be pleased to know that Democrat/Hillary supporter WaPo Opinion writer Charles Lane echoes their “gee, if only the Republicans had a different nominee” schtik.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  157. He hated guys what gave him teh high hat, felipe! One of my favorite movies.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  158. ah chuck, he was taken in by stephen glass, no, I rest my case,

    narciso (732bc0)

  159. furthermore when he was on the central american desk, he provided a news peg for gary webb’s opera oscura, re el salvador, a detail obliquely recycled in ‘killing the messenger’

    narciso (732bc0)

  160. Mine, too, Colonel!

    felipe (023cc9)

  161. 156. I contend Cruz is a Bushist on the outs with the circle. The tack to ‘political outsider’ status follows his failure to be accepted inside orthodox Republicanism recognizing the ready audience of discontents in the Party proper.

    Compassionate conservatism had run its course and W.’s failure to hold the center gave Cruz an opportunity to throw virtual red meat to the inmates with Constitutional Conservatism without treading on Grandee’s toes.

    The problem was it only a domestic policy relying on government once again and doesn’t address the major economic and foreign policy failures of Bushism.

    DNF (755a85)

  162. Cruz is passionate but not naturally endearing; to the contrary, even many of his most loyal continuing supporters here in Texas had to warm up to his principles before they could begin to respond favorably, or even neutrally, to his personality. Despite all that, Cruz denied Trump the nomination later into the primaries than any GOP presidential candidate since at least 1976, and he beat Trump like a rented mule in some must-win GOP battleground states (WI, CO) and in some core-pillar-red-states (TK, OK). Trump’s ultimate nomination was far shakier than Ford’s in 1976, and had Cruz done this year as Reagan did in 1976 — encourage delegate shenanigans to re-open a floor fight — Cruz might well have succeeded where Reagan failed. I think you’re giving Trump far too much credit, perhaps because we’re all in the position of watching the dancing dog: He’s certainly exceeded our expectations, which were very low indeed, but that doesn’t mean he’s Baryshnikov.

    Jaysuz.

    He was rejected. He was defeated. He does not work and play well with his colleagues. He preaches.

    And he lost. End of story.

    Texas is a big state. So far you’ve coughed up Cruz and Perry. Both loozas. Clear your throat of the flem and find some fresh, likable faces next cycle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  163. Harry Reid: Once Hillary Is Elected and We Have the Senate, It’s Bye Bye Filibuster.

    He’d give his right eye for that. Oh, wait…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  164. perry, had another problem, chip barbour and ‘dr. evil’ decided vouching for maverick’s honor, was something a campaign entailed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  165. Ted Cruz is a petty little con man

    he put on airs and pretty words

    and all the proper conservative ladies swooned and took great pains not to fart in his company

    then at the convention

    he stood fully revealed

    a coward a fraud

    a low-class and petty pretender

    indelibly so I fear

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  166. ah david spade, seriously your snark act gets old real fast, even denis leary had given up by 97 tops,

    narciso (732bc0)

  167. @170– and his book, signed no less, is sells for al of a $1.95 at a local thrift store.

    Nobody will give them two cents for it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. 165. This time Republicans burned through a bunch of interesting but inexperienced Governors and discovered they are the ‘Party of Stupid’ circular firing squad imbeciles they knew they were already.

    Stupid never learns, never improves, never changes.

    Next time our problems will be much too deep to consider useless Senators with no practical accomplishments. Rubio is no more constant that a two-bit whore, Cruz has the tempermant of a three-year-old, Corker is a crook, etc.

    DNF (755a85)

  169. @109 Denver Guy

    Her pants are on fire

    Her a** is catching

    And it may take the Forest Service to estimate the acreage lost

    Pinandpuller (c83609)

  170. really Mr. narciso

    what plurality is there what could ever mistake this slimy and repulsive creature for a leader

    like george w comically looking for those silly weapons of mass destruction

    not under here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. I know consider the source,

    https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-classified-drone-strike-plans?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

    what does she consider classified info,

    narciso (732bc0)

  172. 167
    That’s the poll Denver Guy linked at 109.
    This was a good week for Trump because he managed to (mostly) stay out of the way and let people contemplate just how bad Hillary is.

    kishnevi (4cae8a)

  173. “The real failure of your comparison will be found in a nation at its bottom in ’80, crushed by oil shocks, foreign policy embarrassments in Iran, Egypt and etc., but this time around we are far from the nadir.”

    If you say so.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  174. are we really, we have a much ignorant electorate, proud of what they don’t know, a product of at least a generation of constructivist mind arson, our institutions are nearly at the necrotic stage,

    narciso (732bc0)

  175. It really blows my mind how much Trump’s fans continue bashing Ted Cruz. They care more about that than they do about seemingly anything else.

    I guess it’s like that with the fans of tyrants throughout history. The guy who doesn’t salute their dear leader is a bigger threat than anything else, because he represents the power of individual choice. He’s the guy who isn’t praising the emperor’s clothes.

    Hillary didn’t just get her BFF nominated as her opponent, she managed to pick a guy who has torn apart any opposition to her.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  176. 179. “Malaise” remember now? What do we need with a Senator running anything beside his mouth.

    DNF (ffe548)

  177. as usual, since 2010, you miss the point, who gets a microphone, a talkshow, a podcast for denouncing the candidate, and who literally has to be in hiding, so they aren’t stoned by a mob, in albaquergue, chicago, and places of that nature,

    narciso (732bc0)

  178. take erick erickson, and leave him somewhere in the gobi desert, running from rattlers,

    narciso (732bc0)

  179. some of the more amusing moments from the other day, was ben howe, literally swallowing his own tail, like the famed ouroboros

    narciso (732bc0)

  180. 181. “blows my mind how much Trump’s fans continue bashing Ted Cruz.”

    How ironic, not to mention redundant.

    DNF (755a85)

  181. this was on the question of determining which emigrants from the levant and points east, should be suitable for admission, because we’ve done a bang up job so far,

    narciso (732bc0)

  182. 184. Nice touch.

    DNF (755a85)

  183. kishnevi,

    A good week for Trump would imply a positive move in the average. He actually dropped .3 while Clinton dropped 2.2. Her very bad week is good for Trump’s prospects but a truly good week for him should involve evidence of increased support. Next week should be even worse for Clinton with the drop of the FBI report – perhaps Trump will get a positive gain as well.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  184. well absurdity, inspires metaphor, they are approaching ‘the no true scotsman’ theory of salafi determination, also civic education is now doubleunplusgood,

    narciso (732bc0)

  185. right and the unemployment is really 4.9%, shirley you can’t be serious,

    narciso (732bc0)

  186. and even with this, msnbc is still beating them like a redheaded stepchild,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SZqiXDfHnI

    narciso (732bc0)

  187. Trumps crowds are just as meaningful as Sanders crowds were, Narciso. What metric other than polling averages would you propose?

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  188. Field offices open for business?

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  189. Money raised and spent?

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  190. considering she’s run a confidence game on three continents, that’s not a surprise, and they’ve apparently given charity navigator, the vizzini talk.

    narciso (732bc0)

  191. 191. Those ‘not in workforce’ 18-65 now 94 Million, i.e., ineligible for unemployment insurance but disabled, on welfare, food stamps, black market sales, extortion, etc.

    Number of Americans who blush or avoid eye contact while lying nearing extinction.

    DNF (ffe548)

  192. yes, but the bright side of that is, …there is no bright side, yet the captains of industry want moar of this,

    narciso (732bc0)

  193. 193. A little analysis of a poll, or a polls trend over past weeks, might not waste our time. OTOH, most just bray a poll result and tell us nothing we haven’t already seen.

    DNF (755a85)

  194. the whole subject, invokes the old ones and their inevitable wrath,

    http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/fbi-report-on-hillary-clinton-921645

    narciso (732bc0)

  195. “well absurdity, inspires metaphor,”

    Yes, and there is silopsism.

    felipe (023cc9)

  196. narciso (732bc0) — 9/2/2016 @ 7:49 pm

    “The final truth is, there is no final truth.”

    I am timing you.

    felipe (023cc9)

  197. I don’t think so, whereas wilson, ‘darrell and his other brother darrell’, and the rest of the #willing for hillary, were cookie cutter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  198. narciso (732bc0) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:00 pm

    Stopwwatch started

    felipe (023cc9)

  199. Civilian noninstitutional population (Current Population Survey)
    Included are persons 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 states and the District of Columbia who do not live in institutions (for example, correctional facilities, long-term care hospitals, and nursing homes) and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.

    Labor force (Current Population Survey)
    The labor force includes all persons classified as employed or unemployed in accordance with the definitions contained in this glossary.

    Not in the labor force (Current Population Survey)
    Includes persons aged 16 years and older in the civilian noninstitutional population who are neither employed nor unemployed in accordance with the definitions contained in this glossary.

    The 94 million not in the labor force is the total difference between the 254 million civilian noninstitutional population and the 159 million labor force. The 94 million includes all retirees not seeking work. There are 41 million people currently receiving social security payments.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  200. Just a friendly challenge w that few will h observe.

    felipe (023cc9)

  201. and when was the last time this number was so low, 1978?

    narciso (732bc0)

  202. “Click”

    felipe (023cc9)

  203. seriously I was just spitballing,

    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

    narciso (732bc0)

  204. “1980”

    felipe (023cc9)

  205. not the way I read it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  206. searchlight is a horror, casino captured just a tiny piece of his perfidy,

    http://babalublog.com/2016/09/02/tortured-cuban-political-prisoner-educates-kaepernick-on-real-oppression-in-apartheid-cuba/

    narciso (732bc0)

  207. heh, Perhaps your mind is in an “altered state?”

    felipe (023cc9)

  208. 181. Here’s some help on the subject of commenting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5QT8K_87N4

    DNF (755a85)

  209. DNF, two words. Gooseberry syrup. Great stuff! O.K. that was four words.

    felipe (023cc9)

  210. Hillary is saying, in response to the FBI info released today, that she wishes they’d released it earlier.

    She would have said to release it earlier, but she didn’t recall she’d been interviewed by the FBI.

    And there are NO other emails or any other unaccounted for communications or documents, and she has been completely transparent with the American People.

    But in the event more emails/documents are discovered, she will be very unhappy that they were not released earlier and she would have demanded this had she remembered.

    And just like she said, she only had one..er two devices… her blackberry and IPAD… since she smashed the other 13 devices to hell with a hammer and then BitchBleached them for good measure.

    So, are we good now… can we just get on with the coronation?

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  211. In 1980 9.3% of the population was over 65. In 2015 15% is over 65. The BLS does not adjust for changes in the population pyramid and the labor force participation rate therefore lacks utility for long term comparisons.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  212. so it would seem, if libya was a small sample of what she wreak, perhaps an ikwan insurrection in the kingdom, are things we have to look forward to,

    narciso (732bc0)

  213. see I thought this unobjectionable except to sjw’s but I guess I was mistaken,

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/trump-american-legion-we-will-promote-american-pride-and-patriotism

    narciso (732bc0)

  214. 216. Thanks, I’m sorry to say me and the Gooseberry bush have parted due to divorce. There’s still a stash just out of my reach.

    Next time I own a plot I’ma going to plant a black currant as well.

    DNF (755a85)

  215. 221. Perhaps when I am reunited with my daughter some gooseberry can be spirited to freedom.

    DNF (ffe548)

  216. I forgot to add raddatz to the total travismockasham,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/unreal-presidential-debate-moderator-obama-wedding/

    narciso (732bc0)

  217. On that day, I shall rejoice.

    felipe (023cc9)

  218. Two year ago I heard about how hard it was going to be for Republicans to keep the Senate just because of the number of R up for election and the States they were running in …. Yet disgraceful lying alleged people of integrity try to blame Trump for this now. Funny and pathetic. …. I got a long memory is my problem.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  219. Rodney King’s Spirit (d28741) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:38 pm

    You are a good man, RKS, long may you wave.

    felipe (023cc9)

  220. it’s a curse, really, but the self flagellation is out of the davinci code’s albino,

    narciso (732bc0)

  221. LOL.

    felipe (023cc9)

  222. meanwhile the designated zampolit in richmond, wants another crack at bob mcdonnell, supreme suggestions is how they view decision they disagree with,

    narciso (732bc0)

  223. To quote Marcel Marceau( in Silent movie), “NON!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  224. I did not call him a law enforcement official, he’s more like a roman procurator, scourge of those not in the inner circle,

    narciso (732bc0)

  225. So, not a “Leo”, but a “Scorpio?”

    felipe (023cc9)

  226. libra actually, explains my balance in all things,

    narciso (732bc0)

  227. Alternate universe:

    Not Rigotello, but Scarpia?

    felipe (023cc9)

  228. The press seems more interested in investigating the “C” on housing forms from 1970 than the “C” on Hillary’s emails.

    Pinandpuller (c83609)

  229. And there it is.

    felipe (023cc9)

  230. steve sailer pointed out an interesting detail, the more likely tenants in such structure were like woody allen’s family, eventually the investigations moved him out of that field, into luxury real estate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  231. HAH! wiki proof! Rigoletto!

    felipe (023cc9)

  232. @192 Rick Ballard

    There are no superdelegates for Hillary this time around unless you count Anderson Cooper et al.

    Pinandpuller (c83609)

  233. in one corner of the multiverse, the special counsel, did file charges against the razorbacks and they were impeached and removed from office, I haven’t worked out the consequences in that timeline,

    narciso (732bc0)

  234. you thought better of it. I concur.

    felipe (023cc9)

  235. there is another,

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/murdoch-hails-choice-of-wallace-as-first-fox-newser-to-moderate-debates-in-staff-memo/

    wallace was marveling at how she outright lied and stonewalled, as opposed to dwelling on the import of the findings,

    maybe manbearpig stepped down after further campaign finance inquiries,

    narciso (732bc0)

  236. maybe bob kerrey was chosen as his successor,

    narciso (732bc0)

  237. @143- while it’s true the words “I endorse Ford” weren’t said by Reagan, it’s also true he didn’t act like a woman scorned at the convention like teddy bear Cruz did.

    What happened was Ford warmly introduces Reagan, first of all, referring to him as “my friend”. Reagan speaks of the fine Republican platform, refers to Ford as “Mr. President” and, at the end of the speech, claps Ford on the back and shakes his hand.

    You can watch it here: https://stellasplace1.com/2016/07/21/did-reagan-endorse-gerald-ford-in-1976/

    What is also true is Reagan didn’t sign a pledge to support the nominee like teddy bear Cruz did, so not only was Reagan possessing more class than teddy, he also kept his honor intact. All in all, no, not sounding so familiar…

    LBascom (09d352)

  238. this has been a ‘red wedding’ of a primary season, that being said, the objective should be to keep red queen out,

    narciso (732bc0)

  239. 240

    I think Wallace was gobsmacked by the blatant, brazen and seemingly sociopathic ability with which Clinton lies. He has remarked before “do they realize we have a thing called video tape?”

    Never before have we had a presidential candidate who simply builds a web of lies with a MSM seemingly supportive and willing to assist in denial, be that in pretending nothing happened or explaining it all away.

    I also think Wallace has a lot of his dad in him, and the Clintons likely chide him in the worst way.

    I believe Mike would rip her a new one all the way to election day if he were alive… MSM or not.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  240. I don’t think so, he has shown a willingness to bend over backwards where the razorbacks are concerned, conversely both he, baier and megyn are willing to unceasingly harsh on those non top men rated candidates, as for shemp…

    narciso (732bc0)

  241. Well.. we’ll have to see… Chris can ask hard questions hold on tenaciously and come up with logical refutations hitting his interviewee again prosecution style when he wants… he displayed some of this with Clinton on his Sunday show with Clinton catching her in a lie and throwing her off her game. This got play for quite a while and got her in more hot water with the public. After this she claimed she had “short circuited” during the interview… yeah, right. LOL

    Hard, direct, simple questions have a gravitas and authority when asked correctly and pursued.

    He will, however, be equally hard on Trump.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  242. it’s like those matryoska dolls.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1182CN

    narciso (732bc0)

  243. Your only as good as your word,Ted Cruz.
    You lie. Your history. Anyone will kick your lying azz in your next effort.

    mg (31009b)

  244. Trump is going to give Hillary a beating in the debates. Something the republicans won’t do because they have their collective mouths all over Soros and Donohue.

    mg (31009b)

  245. Bimbos deserve equal treatment. Women and their rights. lol.

    mg (31009b)

  246. When will team republican go after Soros?
    Never, team republican is on their knees swallowing.

    mg (31009b)

  247. That’s the poll Denver Guy linked at 109.
    This was a good week for Trump because he managed to (mostly) stay out of the way and let people contemplate just how bad Hillary is.

    And so he will continue to do.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  248. Partly because of that, Charity Navigator, a watchdog group, at one point added the Clinton Foundation to its watch list of problematic charities, and for many years did not rate the organization at all because its “atypical business model. . . doesn’t meet our criteria.” The Clinton Health Access Initiative has refused to allow the charity evaluation organization GiveWell to analyze its outcomes, and the Better Business Bureau has listed the Clinton Foundation as failing to meet the basic standards for reporting the effectiveness of its programs. Bill Allison of the pro-transparency Sunlight Foundation has gone much further, and said that the organization operates as a “slush fund for the Clintons.”

    oh my goodness

    these trashy pigs! These are who the nevertrumpies wanna do all up in it!

    the more you know

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. So human seemed tie have drunk from the waters of lethe as well.

    narciso (732bc0)

  250. The betrayal of the Kurds, remember he wanted partition, as his sherpa peter galbraith, who got a concession out of the deal.

    narciso (732bc0)

  251. Galbraith tried to topple karzai, with the current tadjik foreign minister, like maliki’s sponsor who worked with suleimami tie get rid of jafari.

    narciso (732bc0)

  252. Hillary takes money from the rich and gives some of it to the poor.
    Trump takes money from everybody the stupid and spends it on gold-plated faucet handles for his airplane.
    Advantage: Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
    Camel hair hawsers, needle holes and kingdoms.

    nk (dbc370)

  253. Still have any sympathy for anything that happens to the French? http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/europe/charlie-hebdo-italy-earthquake/

    nk (dbc370)

  254. ohnoes you are do moral equate on Mr. Trump and stinkypig!

    this is a complete misnomer

    vile diseased hillary is a mentally ill CRIMINAL and a fraud with a rapey herpes-husband and a gorgeous beautiful sexy super-intelligent daughter with great assets and a moral code what is a huge departure from that of her disgusting lying mom

    Mr. Trump is not a traditional politican though. He’s all about breaking with the failed status quo.

    Advantage: Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  255. my guess is someone at cnn saw the cartoon and said ooh this looks like yummy clickbait

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  256. Much more fun than talking about Trump blah blah blah, Clinton blah blah blah…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv0gXgTPveg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  257. today food stamp demurely and respectfully joined with america’s chinese betters to open up an exciting new front in the war on American jobs

    President Obama and President Xi Jinping of China formally committed the world’s two largest economies to the Paris climate agreement here on Saturday, cementing their partnership on climate change and offering a rare display of harmony in a relationship that has become increasingly discordant.

    this is why it’s so important we elect stinkypig clinton to safeguard the food stamp legacy

    Even China’s climate commitments were less a concession to American pressure than a restatement of its own goals. They included a promise for its carbon emissions to reach a plateau or decline “around 2030,” but without any specific target for reductions like those Mr. Obama pledged. That means China has plenty of room to continue burning fossil fuels to power its economy.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  258. “There are no superdelegates for Hillary this time around unless you count Anderson Cooper et al.”

    Pinandpuller,

    True. She also won 55.2% of the nationwide popular vote, beating Sanders very handily. Did you know she already has the electoral votes of New York, Illinois and California in the bank? Think of those 104 out of the 229 currently in her column as her ‘super delegate edge’ at the starting line tomorrow.

    She’s also a corrupt sleaze, a very lousy candidate, a poor speaker and she has the second highest unfavorable rating of any of the current candidates for President.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  259. she also has a totally subservient corp of propaganda sluts

    from cnn to daily beast to npr and espn

    from the AP to NBC to univision and Megyn Kelly

    and all the sordid brothels in between

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  260. She has a better hairdresser and cosmetician, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  261. she likes to be mug shot ready

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  262. Yes they are 57 flavors of credentialed and self taught idiocy. Take Byron tau of the journal as an example.

    narciso (732bc0)

  263. OTOH – the GOP has the greatest number of incumbents in history seeking to retain their offices. Those incumbents are rather focused on a maximum GOTV effort as a matter of self preservation. If you wish to fantasize about a ‘hidden vote’, incumbents’ self preservation is a good place to look.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  264. Yet they had an appreciably smaller voter cohort since 2008 and 20qw and GOP registration in battleground states has actually gone up thus cycle,

    narciso (732bc0)

  265. She actually smashed the phones, like the cult band, art of noise, not removing the Sim chips

    narciso (732bc0)

  266. #259 nk,

    Uh, the difference is that Hillary uses the government to extract money from people, whereas Trump only uses W.C. Fields’ mantra that there’s a sucker born every minute.

    Of course, it appears that a lot of the suckers are going to vote for Hillary, thereby enabling more people to get fleeced by the government.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  267. I understand in Illinois, some get confused over which consul will sit, but who is really vulnerable, twitch look likes dead man walking (Strickland fir those without the decider ring)

    narciso (732bc0)

  268. 224. Two year ago I heard about how hard it was going to be for Republicans to keep the Senate just because of the number of R up for election and the States they were running in …. Yet disgraceful lying alleged people of integrity try to blame Trump for this now. Funny and pathetic. …. I got a long memory is my problem.

    Rodney King’s Spirit (d28741) — 9/2/2016 @ 8:38 pm

    It’s true this election has more Republican Senators facing re-election so they have more to lose, but they were faring well in last year’s polls. As late as last December, before Trump became the nominee, the GOP was still expected to hold the Senate. That changed when Trump became the nominee.

    DRJ (15874d)

  269. Americans have short attention spans. We don’t read as much and we base our opinions on brief views of topics, articles, etc. As a result, our opinions are based as much on feelings as reasoning.

    It used to be that Democrats were known for letting their feelings affect their opinions but I think this is true for Republicans now, too. It’s much easier to feel than to reason, and it appeals to our need to confirm our pre-existing opinions. But feelings can lead us badly astray and I think that happened this year in American politics.

    DRJ (15874d)

  270. Let us count the ways the senate had obstructed Obama, this cycle, heck eve. Lived up to its constitutional obligations.

    narciso (732bc0)

  271. The democrats are singleminded to put their policies in place and crush all opposition, whether its Richmond, anchorage, Madison or Austin.

    narciso (732bc0)

  272. I used to love discussions here because most of the participants liked to think and reason about almost any topic. Most were willing to consider opinions they didn’t agree with but that is gone. Discussing an opinion you disagree with is to be mocked, and certainly not welcomed. I blame Trump. It’s how he rolls, like a third grade bully.

    DRJ (15874d)

  273. narciso is thoughtful, for sure, but reading his comments is like deciphering hieroglyphics. It’s hard enough to have thoughtful discussions without have to decipher them first.

    DRJ (15874d)

  274. Some are more intemperate than they should be, but I’m just pointing out facts,

    narciso (732bc0)

  275. Obviously I am burning bridges here. I want to hate this place do I will never come back.

    DRJ (15874d)

  276. 282

    Don’t be fearful of burning bridges.

    The bridge on this site is like the Bridge on the River Kwai, designed and built by quislings

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  277. “A sucker born every minute is P.T. Barnum. “You can’t cheat an honest man” is W.C. Fields (for real, not a Hollywood screenwriter, he wrote the original story with the same title under a pen-name).

    Yeah …. People get the government they deserve.

    nk (dbc370)

  278. You’re the quisling, ropelight. You voted for a New York Democrat to be the candidate of the Republican Party.

    nk (dbc370)

  279. Texan for public justice, will have been proven a utter fraud, but their job will still have been accomplished re paxton, as it was with delay and Perry.

    narciso (732bc0)

  280. I didnt, but honestly you make me reconsider my choice .

    narciso (732bc0)

  281. you gotta have faith in Mr. Trump

    he can beat the pig and save christmas

    he can be our light in the darkness

    he can make love out of nothing at all

    despair is the enemy

    cause of if you despair

    we’re well and truly pigged

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  282. A lot of truth in the fact that Congress has not used its power under Article 2 to reign in unconstitutional actions perpetrated by the POTUS. They are ALL guilty of this.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  283. @279 I blame Trump. It’s how he rolls, like a third grade bully.

    DRJ “blames Trump” (who to the best of my knowledge has never posted here) because “Discussing an opinion you disagree with is to be mocked, and certainly not welcomed.” So you’re saying the people here spewing invectives at each other because they disagree on a candidate is somehow Trump’s fault because he’s, well, Trump?

    It’s not the commenter’s fault they curse each other, use foul language and are generally obnoxious it’s because Trump? They have zero control over their emotions or their mouths, minds or keyboards it’s all Trump? Sweet heaven you’ve converted to liberal! Everything is someone else’s fault.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  284. True, but the deems have been assiduous about this during the Reagan administration when they only help one chamber.

    narciso (732bc0)

  285. harvardtrash ted’s more third grade than anyone with his juvenile antics at the convention i think

    what the hell was that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  286. And we know how they summed a horde of special counsels against officials large and small, who dared challenge the reigning order.

    Even when there was no statutory authority, inspector dreyfus enabled them.

    narciso (732bc0)

  287. You allow demonization of people who want to live under restrained government, less regulation, less State and repeatedly vilify the opposition as spreaders of cancer, etc., you get what you deserve. Until that is rectified, until the media is burned to the ground, until fire is fought with flame throwers, it will only get worse. We saw flashes of unity and pushback during some of the debates, but only flashes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  288. I try not to question the motivation of some people who post here, I question their reasoning.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  289. 285.You’re the quisling, ropelight. You voted for a New York Democrat to be the candidate of the Republican Party.
    nk (dbc370) — 9/3/2016 @ 8:35 am

    You’re still stuck back at the primaries, nk. Move on. This is the general election and no matter how much you hate it “Trump(R)” is how it’s written. And there’s nothing your b!tchin’ and complainin’ will do about it. The only “quisling” will be those who don’t vote for our candidate preferring a Clinton victory.

    Remember, if Hillary! wins it will be Huma as shadow president.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  290. Hillary has gotten herself into a series of very bad options… each move she makes now easily leads to “check” (as in chess).

    With no real policy positions, the dominant theme she’s imposed on herself is the byzantine email/foundation disaster, that has recently picked up momentum and undermines her continually.

    Where is she? If she faces reporters, email/foundation is what they want to talk about.
    If she doesn’t face reporters, she looks like… well… Hillary. EVEN the MSM is acting a bit less intolerant of her.

    Meanwhile, all Trump has to do is avoid off-script comments. He seems to be pivoting to a much more Presidential demeanor. The polls show this.

    Still a bit subtle, but it seems the momentum is shifting.

    Of course, Hillarybots, Trump haters, and quislings will not see this. The volume of their ire has risen lately along with the shift.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  291. Take one example, has David cay Johnson ever been right on public policy, but now he’s cosudered an authority, ditto for Wayne barrettes. Before you respond, Jason Leopold has found a squirrel or two of late,

    narciso (732bc0)

  292. Well, Trump is not the King of Sweden and not mine, either. He’s applying to me for a job and I’m telling him, and his references, that “No Trumps Need Apply”. You go right on ahead and hire him without me.

    nk (dbc370)

  293. Since there seems tie be conotations with quisling and vichy, ephialtrs can be used as substitute.

    narciso (732bc0)

  294. References from whom, deantonio, kranish, and the ones above.

    narciso (732bc0)

  295. You’re entitled to your opinion, nk, but is it necessary to constantly beat everyone over the head with it? I haven’t seen papertiger or ropelight here lately probably because they got tired of being called names at every comment.

    The primary is O-V-E-R so get over it. And there are only two applicants to the job you’re offering so if Trump “need not apply” then you are for Hillary! because she’s what’s left. Good for you, you are now an official leftist democrat.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  296. he long since removed all doubt, but if the examples just in libya and nigeria,don’t register with him,

    https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/772104373958737920

    narciso (732bc0)

  297. Mr. Trump hi i’m your onboarding buddy my name is happyfeet!

    first of all we’re so glad you chose America for to work for and we’re really excited to have you

    here’s where you can get coffee (it’s free) and the fridge is cleaned out every friday but not condiments or salad dressing and stuff

    ok you have to dial 8 to get an outside line and did they tell you how to get on the wireless?

    ok it’s simple the password is guest123

    um

    that’s pretty much it let me show you where your cube is I hope you brought a jacket or a sweater it gets super cold over there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  298. You’re entitled to your opinion, nk, but is it necessary to constantly beat everyone over the head with it?

    W…T…F? Last I read, the top of this site said “Patterico’s Pontifications”. And Patterico is anti-Trump as am I. And the people who are “entitled” to their opinions and also feel they are “entitled” to come here and beat us over the head with them are the Trump supporters.

    As for the primary being over, do you know who told the Norwegians “The war is over for us, submit to our new leader”? It was Quisling.

    nk (dbc370)

  299. another blog I frequent, has a proprietor with very sharp views on the matter, but allows for a wide ranging dialog,

    narciso (732bc0)

  300. rest assured we will have a fair debate,

    http://www.newsbusters.org/journalists/lester-holt

    narciso (732bc0)

  301. 10,000 NKs were running thru teh fray, chased by a naked Norwegian.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  302. sounds like a python sketch, or alternately that crichton tale, where an arab traveler meets the vikings and grendel for good measure.

    narciso (732bc0)

  303. Well, Trump is not the King of Sweden and not mine, either. He’s applying to me for a job and I’m telling him, and his references, that “No Trumps Need Apply”. You go right on ahead and hire him without me.

    nk (dbc370) — 9/3/2016 @ 9:05 am
    ======================================

    There it is, now wait for teh reduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxredux
    reduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxreduxredux…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  304. Remember, if Hillary! wins it will be Huma as shadow president.
    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/3/2016 @ 8:55 am
    ==============================================

    Sweet jaysus, don’t tell him that! It’s her 5 o’clock shadow that gets his motor runnin’. He’s mentioned he likes ’em dark-haired and swarthy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  305. 306

    Well if all you want is an echo chamber or sophomoric Trump-hating masturbatorium, then all you have to do is restrict admission to like-minded acolytes.

    Daily Kos does this. Anyone can join, but the second they say anything against Hillary, climate change or abortion, they are on their way out the door via “verbal stoning”.

    But again, its your site to do with as you please.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  306. #306 nk,

    But now the war is against Hillary, not Trump.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  307. @277 It’s much easier to feel than to reason, and it appeals to our need to confirm our pre-existing opinions. But feelings can lead us badly astray…

    ^ The business model of Fox News.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  308. @285. In full:

    “You can’t cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump.” W.C. Fields.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  309. A few weeks ago I commented that the reason FBI Director Comey said that Hillary was truthful with the FBI is that she did not covertly lie, and took the 5th.

    Hillary said she “didn’t recall” to 38 separate questions, which in essence is sort of taking the 5th from the “ladies Tee”.

    Couldn’t recall in-service about Federal document handling. Couldn’t recall receiving her security clearance. Couldn’t recall any briefing after her concussion.

    She was a First Lady for 8 years, a Senator for 8 years, a Secretary of State for 4 years, and now nominee for President of the United States, and she believes that a “C” marked on an official US document indicates the alphabetical hierarchy of a paragraph (e.g. paragrahp A, then B, then C) and does not mean “C” for Classified.

    It will be a difficult task for her to walk the very thin wire between “most competent person ever to run for President” and demonstrating a child-like understanding of classified nomenclature.

    Or perhaps, with all this forgetfulness, she is evidencing brain injury that could be disqualifying.

    It will be interesting to see how this is all parsed on the Sunday political talk shows.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  310. W…T…F? Last I read, the top of this site said “Patterico’s Pontifications”. And Patterico is anti-Trump as am I. And the people who are “entitled” to their opinions and also feel they are “entitled” to come here and beat us over the head with them are the Trump supporters.

    That’s correct it does say “Patterico’s Pontifications” not “nk’s Pontifications” or do you believe that because “Patterico is anti-Trump” as you gives you the right to verbally abuse anyone you want? You can’t get over the damn primaries. The people who you say are guilty of beating you over the head because they’re Trump supporters are supporting the presidential candidate. You’re pi$$ed off because he isn’t the one you wanted. They aren’t anti-Cruz, nk, that ship has sailed. We’re fighting for the White House now and you’re beating up the guy with an (R) after his name which helps Clinton.

    The primaries are over. The only people coming here day after day b!tching about Trump should be Hillary! supporters because anyone else should be figuring out how to beat the b!tch. It seems to me that if the so-called Trump supporters were the culprits guys like ropelight and papertiger would still comment here. You repeat the same crap about Trump over an over and over again. Talk about your echo chamber it’s like being in a 55 gallon drum with a SJW. Give it a rest the primaries are over.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  311. Entitlement!

    It doesn’t pay to be reasonable when dealing with unreasonable people.

    If Patterico doesn’t want me to “verbally abuse” trolls who call him a quisling, he can tell me.

    nk (dbc370)

  312. how long has roy cohn been dead, it’s like david schine’s part in the french connection film, and his ambassador hotel ownership, well just slightly more relevant than that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  313. Longer than Trump has had his combover, I think. Maybe around the time Trump beat up his wife for sending him to a bad hair transplant doctor?

    Yes, I am impenitent.

    nk (dbc370)

  314. Take me to teh river
    Wash me in teh water

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  315. Did I forget… forget to mention Memphis
    Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks
    Do I smell? I smell home cooking
    It’s only the river, it’s only the river

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  316. Hackman at his best in French Connection

    mg (31009b)

  317. well he was very good, at that, although his take on lex luthor

    narciso (732bc0)

  318. in superman was one of the best, a villain with a sense of irony, he was pretty good as the antihero in crimson tide,

    narciso (732bc0)

  319. “Wait, wait for the moment to come
    Stand up, stand up and take my hand
    Believe, believe in mystery
    Love love love love is simple as 1-2-3

    I’m a know-it-all, I’m smartest man around
    That’s right, you learn real fast through the smartest girl in town
    Here come a riddle, here come a clue
    If you were really smart, you’d know what to do
    When…

    Jump back, sit back, get back, relax
    It’s ok
    I’ve called in sick I won’t go to
    Work today
    I’d rather be with the
    One I love
    I neglect my duties, I be in trouble but

    I’ve been to college, I’ve been to school
    I’ve met the people that you read about in books
    Here come a riddle, here come a clue
    If you were really smart you’d know what to do when I say
    Jet pilot gone out of control, ship captain on the ground
    Stock broker make a bad investment when love has come to town”

    http://youtu.be/5P62YyApSKA

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  320. @324, narciso, the left is like an angry zit that never pops.

    Steve57 (747e61)

  321. Prime Cut

    mg (31009b)

  322. if you think this isn’t a teaching lesson about those misunderstood folk like awlaki, I have a bridge to sell you,

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fbi-mlk-history-lesson-20160814-snap-story.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  323. phil haney’s memoir ‘see something, say nothing,’ is rather illuminating, he had noted many of the things that came to our attention,

    narciso (732bc0)

  324. 74. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/2/2016 @ 12:30 pm

    Sammy,

    Whom else should have thrown his hat in the ring?

    I don’t know. I thought Jeb Bush was good, but he was a horrible candidate, with an inability to argue and think.

    Oh – Paul Ryan, of course.

    Michael Bloomberg shold have run as an independent (not because he is so greatm but he’s among the few peple who cold do it, and be credible) but he didn’t dislike too much the idea of Hillary Clinton as president , although he did Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders, and he thought he would lose in a 3-way race, and maybe cause Trump to be elected.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  325. The Dana who supported Carly Fiorina (f6a568) — 9/2/2016 @ 1:04 pm

    Had the field been reasonable, say Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, John Kasich and Donald Trump, things might, might! have turned out differently.

    Marco Rubio just should have ignored the fact that he lost the Flordia primary.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  326. Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2016 @ 1:20 pm

    Kasich & Rubio “… but who stubbornly, and destructively to the GOP, refused to recognize that, which in turn delayed the rally behind the last remaining alternative to Trump (Cruz) until too late in the game.”

    There was no rally for Cruz. Trump won Indiana. It was Cruz who didn’t care about stopping Trump. If he didn’t win instead of Trump, he didn’t care who won.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  327. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2016 @ 3:48 pm

    as Ace says, he can’t be removed from office, but his name should be blackened for allowing the FBI to be used like this.

    Firing an FBI Director when he had no legal right to do so except for cause is something only Bill Clinton could manage.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  328. She’ll get “solved” by restive elements known to populate the nearby Idaho panhandle.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  329. 172. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/2/2016 @ 6:34 pm

    @170 – and his book, signed no less, is sells for [all of] $1.95 at a local thrift store.

    I don’t think too many people expect him to be president, or even a major candidate again, so there’s less interest. It probably is worth less signed than unsigned.

    Nobody will give them two cents for it.

    No, it’ll sell, although $1.00 might be a better price. Is that the lowest price the thrift shop has for books?

    Books just take time to sell. It’ll go very quickly at 25 cents. They can definitely get 2 bits.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  330. Okay, let me get this straight: by not voting for Trump, I am supporting Hillary, because it’s one less vote Hillary needs. Using the same logic, by not voting for Hillary, I’m supporting Trump, because it’s one less vote that Trump needs. So, by not supporting either candidate, I am supporting both!

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  331. dude if you haven’t gotten this straight by now

    is too late

    you don’t even get a copy of the home game much less the ceramic dalmation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  332. Chuck Bartowski (211c17) — 9/4/2016 @ 9:02 am

    Okay, let me get this straight: by not voting for Trump, I am supporting Hillary, because it’s one less vote Hillary needs. Using the same logic, by not voting for Hillary, I’m supporting Trump, because it’s one less vote that Trump needs. So, by not supporting either candidate, I am supporting both!

    No, only one at a time.

    But that may change according as to how your opinion changes.

    You are supporting the one you MOST DON’T WANT to see as president. If you don’t want Hillary more, you are supporting Trump, and if you don’t want Trump more, you are supporting Hillary. According to this kind of reasoning.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  333. “Okay, let me get this straight: by not voting for Trump, I am supporting Hillary, because it’s one less vote Hillary needs. Using the same logic, by not voting for Hillary, I’m supporting Trump, because it’s one less vote that Trump needs. So, by not supporting either candidate, I am supporting both!”

    The Sophists, man, I love them! Great guys, pseudo-philosophy and logic traps always good for a laugh! But seriously, they’re going to have to drink hemlock. They’re fun to listen to, but this Gary Johnson dude who leads them seems to just leave a trail of druggies making drug-fueled arguments, can’t count on them at ALL in a fight! I do hear that this Rodrigo Duterte guy from island Mexico has some ideas on what to do with them, though…

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  334. One very rule of thumb estimation (and it’s just an idea)

    The election results may depend on the percentage of the 2-party vote.

    Percentage of the popular vote cast for one of the two major party candidates:

    >> 74% – Hillary Clinton wins.

    71-74% – Possibility of the election being thrown into the House of Representatives.

    56% – 71% – Donald Trump wins.

    53% – 56% – Election thrown into the House of Represenatives – more than one third party candidate gets some Electoral votes – only one, of course, is among the 3 candidates the House ca vote for.

    51% – 53% – Election thrown into the House but Hillary Clinton is not a choice.

    < 51% – Third party candidate wins.

    Based on the fact that as more votes are cast for third party candidates, the margin Hillary Clinton has gets less.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  335. no trumpers should get off their arse and help.

    mg (31009b)

  336. @266 Rick Ballard

    There’s a song for Larry Gatlin to sing at a Trump rally:

    All the votes in California

    Are in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills

    In someone else’s name

    Pinandpuller (d5621a)

  337. @306 nk

    How do you say “Mission Accomplished” in Norwegian?

    Pinandpuller (d5621a)

  338. Actually, a good start of legislation that would backup Trump’s position on immigration would be the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993 authored by Senator Harry Reid (D-NV).
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-bill/1351/text

    Neo (d1c681)

  339. The Sophists, man, I love them! Great guys, pseudo-philosophy and logic traps always good for a laugh!

    Actually, the logical fallacy was in the initial statement to me: that by not voting for Trump, I was supporting Hillary. I pointed out the fallacy; Sammy Finkleman got my point, but it sailed right over your head.

    The initial statement was:

    But still the most I can say is if you don’t vote for Trump you’re enabling Hillary!. That’s because she needs to overcome one less Trump vote to win.

    Is that statement true? I submit that it can’t possibly be true. I’m not voting for Hillary, either, and because of that, the Hillary supporters could just as easily say that my refusal to cast a vote for Hillary means that I am supporting Trump (because it’s one less vote that Trump needs to win). What both the Trump supporters and Hillary supporters claim is that by not supporting their candidate, I am supporting the other candidate. But both sides can’t be right simultaneously, and both sides are making the same argument. Therefore, neither statement is correct.

    And what we are left with is a tautology: by not supporting candidate X, I’m not supporting candidate X.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)


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