Father of Orlando Shooter Prominently Seated at Hillary Rally
What. The. F[vowel deleted]ck.
The father of radicalized Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen is supporting Hillary Clinton for president and attended a rally for the candidate Monday, standing near the stage as she addressed the crowd.
Seddique Mateen, a native of Afghanistan, appeared in several TV shots behind Mrs. Clinton as she spoke in Kissimmee, Florida.
“Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” he told WPTV later in an interview.
His son, who was radicalized by the Islamic State, killed 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando in June.
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Asked whether Mrs. Clinton’s campaign knew he attended the event and sat directly behind the candidate, Mr. Mateen said, “It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”
Trump bans Washington Post reporters from his rallies. You’d think Hillary Clinton could bar the parents of mass murderers. Especially when they’re the sort who implausibly try to deny the radical ideology that was obviously behind their son’s actions.
It’s hard not to believe she had him there deliberately — watching as she prattled on about the loved ones of those murdered in Orlando. (Watch the video and you’ll see what I mean.) “And I know how many people, family members, loved ones, and friends, are still grieving,” Clinton said . . . as Mateen looked on from behind her with a smile.
What the hell is she thinking?
Ted Cruz could have smashed her.
P.S. Trump is absolutely tanking against Hillary.
what was she thing, mateen jr was a fan, she wants the taliban in charge, although perhaps notnarciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:33 am
‘the army of liberators” the perpetrators of the lahore massacre,
poor harvardtrash ted
if only he could have done on Mr. Trump the mayhem he would’ve done on stinkypighappyfeet (a037ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:36 am
remember they jeered sgt. grobart, even general allen, and wouldn’t allow a moment of silence for the slain dallas police officers,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:38 am
This election is [vowel deleted]ucked. And are all the chingados who voted for Trump.nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:49 am
it really is quite remarkable, then we know where effendi khan’s sympathies lie, so it’s not surprising,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:53 am
Are you really nuts? Why are you bringing up Senator Cruz in an article that has nothing to do with him. Your obsession is verging on Eric Simpson territory. Get some help.
Clinton knows exactly what she is doing. She’s signaling to all anti-Americans that she’s one of them and will continue Obama’s work to destroy the United States of America.njrob (8894ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:54 am
mr. grumpywumpy picklepoo the post clearly says in the post
Ted Cruz could have smashed her.happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:01 am
any further questions, of course kaine genuflects to this group, as did the bush admininstration to be fairm
http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/06/21/document-reveals-omar-mateens-father-tied-to-radical-islamist-groups/narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:06 am
He could be the next president of Afghanistan, and she’s going to try to make him so, as part of a deal to end the war in Afghanistan, in which he would be a compromise choice.
What? You didn’t know? That’s my guess.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:20 am
There were several false accusations about ties between Seddique Mateen and Hillary Clinton.
After they were debunked…
http://www.snopes.com/orlando-shooters-father-clinton/to be debunked
People are not going to be so ready to believe this picture. Or at leaast read anything into it.
That’s how the Clintons work.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:20 am
Here is Rush on the economic plan given in Detroit:
#nevertrump is all about trusting the process, let the lawyers govern and adjudicate, the results be damned.
Well the results are intolerable and will not stand.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:21 am
7. #nevertrump cannot break out of the first stage of grief, DENIAL.
Lookit all the pillars standing on principle, G. Beck, G. Will, R. Wilson, K. Williamson, D. French, on and on the list goes numbering perhaps 5% of the population, 15 million tortured souls, half ‘effing lawyers teeth clenched on the public teat.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:28 am
*I* could have smashed her. Many of the readers here, including some Trump supporters, would be better candidates that Donald Trump. That should be downright scary.
(Yes, yes, beat all the other GOP candidates. But red-meat rants don’t go very far in the general election)Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:29 am
I cannot imagine the reasoning that put him in that picture! He matches up with the Mothers of Thugs groups? Are they that desperate for niche group support?Patricia (5fc097) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:30 am
This election is [vowel deleted]ucked
Since when is F a vowel?Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:31 am
Next, Trump will have Ted Cruz’ father behind him at a rally, and we all know what HE was up to, back in 1963.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:33 am
I must have been channeling a Trumpkin.nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:33 am
Well, this is why the stars aligned to make DJT the candidate.
Anyone else could beat HRC handily.
And look at the crayzee, even on this thread.
All those folks with juvenile nicknames for candidates, who are all interested in “real” conservatives…well, their circular firing squad ended up with DJT.
It’s not a coincidence Trump acts like a troll, come to think of it.
But now, folks are seeing that, even with the weakness and bizarre conduct of HRC, she will most likely win.
Because of DJT.
And remember: DJT has chosen the actions that work against him. There was no propaganda. He does the DNC’s work for them. And he does it for free.
I take that back: we will all pay.Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:34 am
13. The candidate who cannot carry his home state is a quintessential Republican.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:34 am
16. Yes, God anointed Theodore for this hour.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:39 am
he was a good candidate with some advisors who steered him wrong, there were some figures like paul singer, who steered support away from him,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:41 am
18. We still have 90 days. A whole lot of witching to be done between now and then by various and sundry.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:44 am
I’m less concerned about the father of a militant Islamist terrorist having a front-row at a Hillary campaign rally and more concerned about the whereabouts of his daughter-in-law, who had foreknowledge of her husband’s intentions and was reported missing in mid-June and there’s been no word of her since.WarrenPeese (cd87a1) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:46 am
so lets review, they wouldn’t allow a moment of silence for cops, soldiers on the front line,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:49 am
they do venerate dysfunctional personalities with criminal propensities, dysmorphic chimera,
(lena dunham) bipolar malajusted folk.
they accused pat smith of being a lawyer, outright ignored karen vaught, they concern themselves with the mythical skydragon, while outside the arena,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:52 am
Seddique Mateen ended up at a Hillary rally the same way everyone ends up at a Hillary speech:
Through a series of poor decisions.JP (bd5dd9) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:01 am
600 acres of Detroit on Lake Michigan:
A quarter century of idleness as Chiraq lost a quarter of its population.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:08 am
he stipulates before hand,
http://atimes.com/2016/08/trump-lacks-experience-but-his-detractors-lack-common-sense/narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:12 am
Another report card on the economic speech:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/08/wsjs_henninger_trump_delivered_excellent_speech_about_economy_taxes.htmlDNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:14 am
This is the ME foreign policy Sen. Cruz went with, whole cloth. Goldman is among the most sophisticated students of ME economics in the world today.
#nevertrump are flatly provincial ugly Americans en toto.DNF (ffe548) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:22 am
14. Patricia (5fc097) — 8/9/2016 @ 8:30 am
Maybe it wasn’t supposed to be noticed until much later, and/or some false assertions were going to be attached to the picture, to hide what maybe the true story is.
I think Hillary’s got a secret plan to end the war in Afghanistan. Seddique Mateen may be acceptable to Pakistan.
What I don’t know if if he is supposed to be Afghanistan’s General Duong Van Minh, or actually supposed to be the ruler for some time instead of the Islamists.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:24 am
that was a misfire, gary, cruz was against the toppling dictators, deal, that was more rubio and the mmedici’s gig,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:29 am
Well, Pat Smith haa now filed a crazy lawsuit against Hillary Clinton:
What’s crazy about this is that the e-mail server is blamed for the benghazi deaths. I think the terrorists had much more direct ways of finding out things, and none of this was disccussed in her e-mail.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:30 am
“Turned?” Yeah, all right. I can take a joke.
Goldman is great for unique takes, but this is the kind of sophistication that ME geopol analysts can do without.JP (bd5dd9) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:32 am
it’s shorthand, muammar in his sallow days sponsored action directe, ira, eta, plfp-g, baader but no islamist, they were all at ali salem,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 9:35 am
What JP said. Libya was a full service biological warfare lab for terrorism under Kadafi.nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:03 am
Narciso – yeah, Ghaddafi was a bit of a scamp as far as Euroterrorism and Palestinian shenanigans. And he made a nuisance of himself in North and West Africa.
On the other hand, like Tehran, Ghaddafi thought killing US/Western-aligned heads of state and diplomats (occasionally through the use of Islamist middlemen) was no big deal.
Iran these days is rather too much Na Na, not enough Shah. If only Libya had even had a Shah to begin with.JP (bd5dd9) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:10 am
they did ibn senussi, that’s who moammar toppled,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:13 am
True, but I couldn’t wring a pathetic pun out of “king.”JP (bd5dd9) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:24 am
“P.S. Trump is absolutely tanking against Hillary.”
True enough. But as this story demonstrates, we can count on Hills to make it a race to the bottom.
There’s a good deal of debate about Trump being a liberal as a matter of substance. But that’s not the problem Trump is having right now. The problem for Trump is that he is a liberal as a matter of style: shooting his mouth off – and demonstrating what an imbecile he truly is – without thought to the consequence. Democrats tend to get away with this because the media has their back and because Democrat voters, themselves, are willing to tolerate moral/intellectual deficiencies from one of their own. Not so for Shorty.
Finally, there is the issue of Americans being star-struck and the willingness of voters to believe an on-screen persona is a true reflection of the measure of a man. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a fine example of the phenomenon, is an on-screen tough guy who was completely outclassed during his stint as governor. Shorty is still candidate Trump and we already see he is in over his head. This week his weaknesses, and there are many, were on full display. It was an ugly spectacle.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:27 am
You people that keep declaring Trumps loss is inevitable; bet you’re the same ones that said Trump was going to lose the primaries and his running was only going to enable Jeb to win.
Don’t y’all get tired of being wrong in your psychic predictions?
BTW, Ghaddafi gave up his WMD when W. invaded Iraq, helping with the Bush war narrative. That’s the real reason Hillary giggled about killing him. Proggs didn’t care about Ghaddafi, heck, Beyonce gave a concert in Lybia for one of his sons not long before he was assassinated by Obama. It was his bowing to Bush they couldn’t stand.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:28 am
It doesn’t look like Trump is the fighter in the general election that he was in the primaries. He should be beating Hillary like a drum, but it’s difficult to do that with his foot stuck in his mouth all the time.
If he’s not going to fight and stay on message, I just wish he would drop out, so we could offer America a reasonable alternative to Crooked Hillary.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 10:44 am
ah what a sunshine patriot you are, the entire establishment is firing vollies and you decide to give up, this is like st. crispian’s day.narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:00 am
Cruz supporter, you do get what the media is doing, right? For example, the double standard between what Trump said about Kahn, and what Hillary said about Pat Smith. Where Kahn got 50x more play than Smith, and all of it was Trump made a blunder but Hillary is pure as the driven snow.
Don’t live in a fantasy world, they will do the same to WHOEVER the Republican is. Don’t buy into the bs that Trump blundered by responding to an attack from the democrat convention stage just because the media wants you to believe the attacker has ultimate moral authority and is above any defense from his rhetoric. Fight the bastages! Wishing for a more palatable to the press candidate is the fools game republicans fall for every time. For crying out loud, FIGHT!LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:09 am
I’m not giving up, I want Trump to fight.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:13 am
But if he’s not going to fight Hillary, let’s find someone who will.
In this election season, every day is a revelation. After living through over a quarter century of the Clinton soap opera, I feel I have a more-than-adequate understanding of Hillary, but the particulars of her behavior still come as a shock. By contrast, I’m still trying to figure out Trump. Two questions regarding the short one continue to trouble me. First, why is Trump having such a difficult time closing this deal? And, second, what does Shorty’s self-indulgent campaign say about his regard for his followers? I believe these are related questions and I also believe they point us in the direction of character of the man.
I don’t know if Trump will win or lose the election, but, as CS alludes, it is his to lose. And he’s losing it. For someone with Trump’s background, you’d think it would be as easy as A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing. But, no.
The contrast between Trump, who is startlingly shortsighted, at least when it come to closing the White House deal, and Cruz, who is Trump’s obsessive opposite, is quite stark. Cruz may never win the nomination, but the Herculean effort he makes to close the deal is, nevertheless, quite impressive.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:20 am
the entire establishment, right and left, is about it’s own perpetuation, it lets not a slaughter of innocents in orlando, or even the abbatoirs of north africa stand in their way,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:25 am
The candidate who cannot carry his home state is a quintessential Republican.
Cruz carried Texas in the primaries, and would in the general election.
Kasich carried Ohio in the primaries, and would in the general election.
Trump could not possibly carry New York in the general election.
Are you calling Trump a quintessential Republican?Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:27 am
Of course the media is going to frame the conversation.
But that’s why we needed to nominate someone who has the discipline to stay on message, and who wouldn’t give the opposition so many delicious opportunities to mock.
We should have nominated someone like Rubio, Walker, Fiorina, or Jindal.
I would obviously include Cruz among them, but I’m no longer convinced he has the populist instincts to wage a successful general election campaign outside of Texas, Oklahoma, and a few other states.
The left wing media was going to trash whomever the GOP nominated, but it’s a lot more difficult to paint Marco Rubio as a “racist” or as a pimp for billionaires, right?
The only reason to nominate Trump was that he was going to fight. But if he’s only going to throw soft punches, then he doesn’t really have any other tools with which to dislodge Hillary.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:27 am
well that is because the rotten apple dominates the state, as a sad reality,
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/gopers_favor_ryan_s_reelection_but_think_party_should_be_more_like_trumpnarciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:30 am
ThoR, one reason, and a big one, why Trump is struggling: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/50-turncoat-republicans-sign-letter-opposing-trump-national-security-say-benghazi-hillary-better/
In this election the Republican candidate isn’t just fighting the democrats and the media (I repeat myself), but the whole Washington elite machine. It’s a Herculean task, and the only way he can succeed is if th republican base quits falling for the same old tricks and resists the globalist every lie.
Personally, I’m amazed at how far Trump has come, considering what he’s up against.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:31 am
If he’s not going to fight and stay on message, I just wish he would drop out, so we could offer America a reasonable alternative to Crooked Hillary.
Yes. Welcome to the fight.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:32 am
how many allies could ted have garnered, it took force majeur to get sasse involved, conversely cotton could find no allies either, against the rhodes road show,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:35 am
just call him detective mulray,
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/08/09/clinton-defender-former-cia-deputy-director-mike-morell-cant-get-his-story-straight-on-syrias-assad-and-putin/?singlepage=truenarciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:37 am
#52 Kevin M,
I’ve always been of that mindset.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:43 am
But if Trump’s the final hurdle between Hillary and the Oval Office, then we still need to vote for him.
Are YOU nuts? The post referred to Ted Cruz.
Awaiting your apology to happyfeet. Oh right. It won’t happen. You have no integrity.Denver Guy (4750ec) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:43 am
Good grief, Sammy! That’s quite a stretch.Patricia (5fc097) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:45 am
Cruz supporter, I don’t see where you think Trump isn’t fighting Hillary. He’s gone after her a lot. I think within a month or so he will start doing more attack ads, but for now,unless you go to Trump friendly sites, all you’re going to hear from the MSM is clips they can spin to cause outrage and panic. Like his questions about our nuke capability, as if a president shouldn’t wonder about such things.
The other day he gave a major policy speech, outlining his economic plan, and people complain he’s not going after Hillary. If he went hard after Hillary, people would complain he’s going negative and isn’t talking about the issues. No matter what any Republican does, that’s the way they are treated. Instead of piling on, we have to defend what he’s doing and attack the hypocrisy of the elite machine.
Or submit to it, either or…LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:46 am
There is no evidence Trump’s regard for his marks has changed in the slightest. His totalRick Ballard (5abada) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:48 am
fleecingfundraising number is solid proof the suckers haven’t thrown the hook. His primary pool bait just has a limited appeal to suckers in the GE pool.
#56 Denver Guy,
njrob is just an angry guy who doesn’t read before he launches attacks. I’ve seen it before. Take it with a grain of salt.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:50 am
Our esteemed host wrote:
Could he have? Well, he was unable to stop a complete buffoon, so perhaps that’s an overly optimistic statement.The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:54 am
Trump can’t stay on message.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:55 am
The economy, jobs, fighting ISIS, and Hillary exposing national security documents to foreign hackers should be his 4 point plan.
Hammer it home in every speech.
No talking about Ted Cruz, or the Khan family, or John Kasich … just the 4 point plan.
Bovine feces. Senator Cruz was absolutely right on the vast majority of the issues, but he was not a good candidate. A whole lot of people who never meet Mr Cruz like him, for his politics, but most of the people who know him don’t seem to like him very much.
Elections are about more than being right; they are about selling the candidate as someone the public will want to lead, and selling the ideas the candidate supports. Mr Cruz simply could not do that, could not expand his support beyond the people who were already inclined to support his ideas.
By the time the Pennsylvania primary rolled around, I voted for Senator Cruz, because he was the only choice against Donald Trump. (A couple of the other candidates were still on the ballot.) But he wasn’t a good candidate.The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:02 pm
Has Trump made any effort, whatsoever, to unite the party? He’s still squabbling with his Republican primary opponents and he’s doing it in the nastiest of terms – New York values, no kidding. That’s what closing the deal is all about: reaching out to former opponents and building bridges. Why should Trump’s former opponents back down, when the candidate, himself, won’t back down? With his weakness in the general election becoming clearer, why, at this point, should Trump’s former opponents reach out to this petulant loser? Standing up to Trump puts them on the “right side of history.” As surely as rats abandon a sinking ship, there will be more of this as the Trump campaign continues to tank – and all because Trump is a man of little character.
It’s not as if Trump supporters can now claim that they are surprised by Trump’s nastiness or his inability to unite the party. It’s why they voted for him. Trump is losing because he is exactly the man his supporters thought they were voting for. To hope that Trump can now unite the party or the country is nothing other than an exercise in magical thinking. And I thought the Democrats were the party of magical thinkers.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:05 pm
“I think Hillary’s got a secret plan to end the war in Afghanistan. Seddique Mateen may be acceptable to Pakistan.”
57. Patricia (5fc097) — 8/9/2016 @ 11:45 am
Look at it this way: Would anything less explain why Hillary Clinton would allow him to stand behind her? This was no accident.
Seddique Mateen has been talking about being president of Afghanistan for quiote soem time. Somebody must be encouraging him. I don’t think he’s totally delusional.
This is the New York Times story, from tomorrow’s paper: (unless it gets revised)
Standing where he was? Just anybody can get that close to her? How then do they prevent protests, like the ones at Donald Trump’s rallies?
Seddique Mateen says he was invited by the Democratic Party. When asked if he was persoanlly invited, he said he was a member.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:07 pm
I was trying to be charitable, I still think guiliani was the best candidate in 2008,
you see lightening and you think of thunder,
http://counterjihad.com/exclusive-hillary-rubber-stamped-visas-record-number-saudi-visitorsnarciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:09 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637968/Father-America-s-deadly-mass-shooter-wanted-Afghan-president-job-TV-showed-support-Taliban.htmlSammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:11 pm
62-Those aren’t even the points Trump gained popularity with.
Try illegal immigration, Muslim refugees, destructive free trade agreements, and disentangling ourselves from stupid neocon foreign adventures.
Trump speaks from the heart on anything thrown at him, separating himself from the polished politicians leading us down the
primroseglobalist path. THAT is why people support him, and trying to be anyone else would be why people abandon him.
But please, do go on trying to change what has worked for him in defeating his first 16 opponents and will beat crooked, deceitful Hillary.
Or better yet, get behind the guy instead of constantly throwing spitballs.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:14 pm
the begging bowl for the princes of arabia, seems very large, I know he’s dealt with them in the past, as with russian and azeri oligarchs,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:19 pm
The esteemed Mr Finkelman wrote:
It’s hard to believe that even the Clinton operatives are stupid enough to have allowed Mr Mateen to posed behind the candidate if they had realized just who he was. They should have known.
Then again, the Democrats put the parents of thugs like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin on stage, but excluded the families of the murdered police officers. Maybe there really is someone that f(ornicating) stupid running things in the Clinton campaign. Mrs Clinton will eventually find out that these people are not her friendsThe completely flabbergasted Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:22 pm
Mr Finkelman asked:
Mrs Clinton is supposedly being guarded by the Secret Service. One wonders how they allowed this.The thoroughly amazed Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:24 pm
It became apparent to me as the primaries went on that Cruz was incapable of waging a successful general election campaign. He didn’t seem to have the instincts to appeal to voters in diverse regions outside of Texas and Oklahoma.
There’s a percentage of our friends and allies who fail to delineate between governing and electioneering.
They don’t get that if you don’t win, you don’t get to govern.
Uncompromised principles look great on paper, but when the other team wins the electoral college, it’s their principles which are going to be applied.
In retrospect, I think a Rubio/Jindal ticket would beat Hillary by a comfortable margin.
When the left can’t paint our nominee as a racist or an out-of-touch billionaire of privilege, they don’t have much game.
Rubio and Jindal are both policy wonks and children of immigrants who speak with Reagan optimism.
But hey, the primary voters wanted Trump … and now they’re going to get Hillary.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:24 pm
“Why should Trump’s former opponents back down, when the candidate, himself, won’t back down?”
Because he won the primary. With a record number of votes. Topping Romney even though he had 16 opponents and none of the big donor cash the establishment candidates got.
See, this is supposed to be a country “of the people, for the people, by the people”. If the party doesn’t respect the will of the people, they have no reason for being. Well, they don’t, and they don’t. We figured this out. Thus Trump. If they don’t figure it out PDQ, and Trump loses due to their hostility to the party base’s pick, they are done as a party.
And good riddance.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:26 pm
Mr Supporter @ 70: My candidates were Scott Walker, who dropped out very early, followed by Carly Fiorina. I think that either of them would have made a fine President, but neither of them could win.The thoroughly disgusted Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:34 pm
“In retrospect, I think a Rubio/Jindal ticket would beat Hillary by a comfortable margin.
When the left can’t paint our nominee as a racist or an out-of-touch billionaire of privilege, they don’t have much game.”
Quit fantasizing! No matter the Republican, they would be demonized as Hitler’s second coming. I don’t understand why republicans can’t seen to get this.
Also, if Rubio won, it would be a hollow victory. We would still have the globalist agenda, open borders, so called free trade deals selling out American jobs, and never ending unwinnable military engagement with no discernable national interest.
Yeah, I would have still voted for the puke, but not with any hope that the country will survive. It would just be losing more slowly.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:37 pm
I saw a report that the Clinton campaign is going to put big bucks into internet trolling, to be sure to have people to speak up on Mrs Clinton’s behalf whenever someone says something bad about her on the internet.
One of us wonders if the Trump campaign isn’t already doing this, as evidenced by the new-to-Patterico commenters here supporting Mr Trump.
Orange is the new Black? No, Orange is the new Loser.The thoroughly amused Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:37 pm
Cruz misplayed Colorado on an emotional level. He played the law and won the delegates, but then got outplayed emotionally. The correct tack to take was, “I know it’s horrible, I don’t like it either, I would have preferred to face Donald Trump in an honest vote, but this is what the people of Colorado decided.” Instead, he crowed about it as a victory and emotionally, he turned people off. Bad form.
I’ve mentioned it here before, but Cruz’s speech at the RNC was amazingly brilliant for the first 18-20 minutes. It was the perfect Donald Trump speech done smart the way we all wish Donald Trump could do it. He hit Trump’s big issues so well, he got the crowd roaring… And if he issued a no-nonsense endorsement right there, if he laughed off all the campaign BS with ‘and the Democrats would have done worse’ and finished it off with ‘and we all have to work together to defeat Hillary,” he’d have been the man who united the party.
He would have had a seat at every table.
But no. That’s not how it happened.Ingot (1de9ec) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:44 pm
Omar Mateen is a hero to the Democrat Party. He helped advance the gun control narrative and that is all that matters to a Democrat. As for all the gay people his son murdered: Democrat calculus = won’t make a bit of difference as gay people will overwhelmingly vote Democrat. It’s a win-win for Democrats.Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:44 pm
Not after they fished Hussein out of that hole. From that day Gadafi was a reformed character, for fear he would be next.Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:01 pm
If you’re referring to me Dana, I’m not exactly new to Patterico, though I haven’t commented here for some time. I’m a displaced Protein Wisdom commenter that has spent many a time sparring with Pat both here and there back in the day (happyfeet can back me up, I’ve spent a lot of time arguing with him too) .
These days both Jeff and Pat are aligned as never Trumpers, which I don’t find surprising being as both are very egocentric and guard their image at all costs. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/09/obsessive-narcissism-nevertrump/
Anyway, hope that helps. Try not to get paranoid.LBascom (0b9b35) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:11 pm
In retrospect, I think a Rubio/Jindal ticket would beat Hillary by a comfortable margin.
A Norm Peterson/Cliff Clavin ticket would beat her. But Trump isn’t in that class.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:13 pm
They must be seen to be virtuous, damn the effects.Denver Guy (4750ec) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:15 pm
“(Cruz) didn’t seem to have the instincts to appeal to voters in diverse regions outside of Texas and Oklahoma.”
I don’t know where this comment is coming from. It is demonstrably false. Cruz won Alaska, Utah, Wisconsin, and Maine, which, as I recall, aren’t Texas border states. And although Cruz failed to win a single state in the South, he far outpolled any candidate other than Trump in Dixie. Here’s another way of looking at it: less than 25% of Cruz’ bound delegate total came from Texas and Oklahoma. By comparison, over half of third place finisher John Kasich’s bound total came from Ohio. If Cruz’ candidacy proved nothing else, it is that his appeal is NOT regional, but spans the continent.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:17 pm
yes yes Mr. Lee has been an indefatigable friend of freedom for many many moons, Danahappyfeet (a037ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:27 pm
August 09, 2016
Will The Establishment’s Stalking Horse for Hillary Blow Up the Republican Party?
Via Hot Air, Matthew Sheffield writes of the anger and (correct) feelings of betrayal rising among the base.
“The Establishment’s plan is very simple. They’ve pretty much announced it. Bret Stephens, for example, does not hide the fact that his plan is to help Hillary into the presidency with a “blow out” against Trump. Then, he figures, the rebellious Untermenschen of the Lumpenproletariat will come grovelling to the Establishment for its super-successful and popular policy mix of unchastened neocon foreign adventurism, favors for corporate cronies, and official, explicit Open Borders policy.
Here’s Stephens admitting The Plan, which is hardly necessary anyway, as it was always pretty obvious:
This is the reason I’ve consistently argued that the only hope for a conservative restoration is a blowout Hillary Clinton victory, held in check by a Republican majority in Congress. If Mr. Trump loses the election narrowly, the stab-in-the-back thesis will have a patina of credibility that he might have won had it not been for the opposition of people like me. But a McGovern-style defeat makes that argument impossible to sustain except among the most cretinous. We can count on Mr. Hannity for that.
And we can count on Mr. Stephens for that as well.
These guys, who fancy themselves smart, seem to miss the point that the way to “teach a lesson” to Trump supporters is to just sort of stay out of the election, and let Trump fail on his own. Then they would have the makings of a “See, I told you so” argument.
But they’re too stupid and emotional for that — no, they have to insert themselves directly into this, agitate for a Hillary win, and then admit they’re actually agitating for a big Hillary win because the bigger the win, the bigger the repudiation.
The smart play was to keep their fingerprints off Trump’s loss so they couldn’t be blamed. But they’re egotistical, and highly emotional, and can’t help themselves from signing the defeat in blood-red fingerpaint: “WE DID THIS.”
But they also want to claim, post-November, “We had nothing to do with this.”
Um, except for the part where you actively agitated for Hillary Clinton, and even put up a pawn of a candidate to try to throw a crucial state to Hillary Clinton.
You guys, having admitted you shivved the rest of the party in the back in order to scramble into a leadership position after the electoral debacle you admit you engineered —
why the fu*k wouldn’t the rest of us return the favor?
I will never again support the WSJ/Establishment/Rick Wilson/Brent Stephens wing of the GOP. Ever.
Why the hell would I help you assholes into the power positions you crave after you’ve admitted to tanking an election to “teach a lesson” to the rest of us?
You actually conspire with the enemy — the Democrat Party, the socialists — to give them the Supreme Court (all liberal justices older than 50 will retire under Hillary so she can pack the court with 40 year old liberals, and the conservatives except for Roberts and Alito are old) just to increase your own position vis-a-vis the base, and you’re even brazen and stupid enough to admit this, and you think, what?
We line up to reward you for your betrayal?
Are you fu*king insane?
Vote for Benedict Arnold
Now that I’ve taught you rebellious colonists a lesson about proper deference to the King, I am ready to resume a leadership role over you — tanned, ready, and rested.
PS: Once you’ve delivered Hilary her four or five young liberal justices who will rule the country for 40 years, 2020 becomes a particularly low impact election.
So what would be my incentive to even help these assholes with their plan to come roaring back in 2020? Do they really think I’m as hot for subsidies for John Deere as they are?
If we lose 2016, I have no dog in the 2020 fight, except payback.”Colonel Haiku (66034d) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:29 pm
Let’s try this:
“I’ve mentioned it here before, but Cruz’s speech at the RNC was amazingly brilliant for the first 18-20 minutes. It was the perfect Donald Trump speech done smart the way we all wish Donald Trump could do it. He hit Trump’s big issues so well, he got the crowd roaring… And if (Trump had walked on stage at the end of the speech, embrace Cruz, thanked him, and then reminded the audience that he is the candidate of conscience) and finished it off with ‘and we all have to work together to defeat Hillary,” (Trump would) have been the man who united the party.
( Trump ) would have had a seat at every table.
But no. That’s not how it happened (because Trump is far too petty to focus on bigger issues).”
See how that works? In our culture, which I understand doesn’t include those with New York values, grace in victory is a moral imperative.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:31 pm
It is one thing to be a sore loser; it is quite another to be a sore winner.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:34 pm
nobody in good conscience can do stinkypig all up America
it’s a heinous brutal and inhuman acthappyfeet (a037ad) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:35 pm
It would have been nice for it to be a two-way street, Thor. I agree with that.Ingot (1de9ec) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:57 pm
But to get the two-way street, Cruz had to say the magic words. We’re simple nowadays.
BTW Cruz Supporter, I’d still like an explanation for why you imagined I doubted that the $400M cash shipment was understood and intended to be taken by Iran as a ransom payment.Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:18 pm
ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:17 pm
Cruz won Utah and Wisconsin only because of strateguc voting. Those were anti-Trump votes. Mitt Romney came very close to recommending a vote for Cruz in the Utah caucuses (it was definitely not an endorsement for him as a candidate) and in Wisconsn many people, including Ann Althouse voted for Cruz in the hopes of getting Paul Ryan. I don’t know about Maine or Alaska.
It was more than just Texas, but it was mostly limited to areas west oof the Mississippi. In Oklahoma by the way, anotehr interesting thing happened: Bernie sanders won the Democratic primary. I don’t have much, if any, information, but I think this was an anti-Hillary vote by non-Democrats.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:37 pm
What the hell is she thinking?
A short-circuit. Again. Old product. Frayed wiring.DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:42 pm
Ted Cruz could have smashed her.
Tedtoo’s response: “Com-PLANE! Com-PLANE!DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:43 pm
he entered midway, arranged for some booing, particularly in the New York delegation, and maybe arranged with Newt Gingrich that Newt Gingrich would inerpret what Ted Cruz said as meaning that a person should vote for Trump. Then Trump had to lie about not knowing what Cruz would say. He said Cruz added a bit to hia prepared text, which was true, but it wasn’t that bit. It was something about principles prevailing in November.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:47 pm
71. The thoroughly amazed Dana (f6a568) — 8/9/2016 @ 12:24 pm
The campaign said he was OK, and he was screened for weapons. That’s all the Secret Service is supposed to do. It’s not the job of the Secret Service to approve people or read people’s minds.
That’s the job of the protectee and his or her staff.
Seddique Mateen almost certainly had a ticket with his name on it given by the campaign, and probably a special to go behind the podium, and that name would have been checked against an ID.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 2:58 pm
What ThOR has said.
No, Cruz was not a perfect candidate,
To some degree what makes a good candidate in the eyes of the voters and in the eyes of the bipartisan ruling class are different things,
and the ruling class preferred Trump’s version.
It will be an extraordinary event if any truly reform minded president is ever elected.MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:18 pm
“It would have been nice for it to be a two-way street, Thor. I agree with that.
But to get the two-way street, Cruz had to say the magic words. We’re simple nowadays.”
I don’t agree. You give Trump more credit than he is due. He is not a man to let bygones-be-bygones, and even an act of supplication by Cruz wouldn’t have changed that. Just look how Chris Christie’s supplication worked out. There’s a lesson in what happened to Christie. No, I’d say that Cruz did exactly the right thing.
I’m beginning to believe that there is a gender-related issue that affects how one views Trump and Hills. I have very strong feelings about how men should behave and a different view of how women should behave. I see Trump’s behavior as being unacceptable male behavior. I am beginning to think that my view is a western view and in conflict with how easterners view appropriate male behavior. I think this disparity is reflected in how Mormons, who are very much westerners, and eastern Evangelicals view Trump. “New York values” is simply too limiting. What Cruz was referring to are East Coast values, which are shared by south-easterners and many on the west coast.
For non-white males, I believe most of us have differing standards. That’s why Obama continues to have remarkably high approval ratings, despite his disastrous presidency. Among my friends – I live on the liberal west coast – those who hate Hillary the most are liberal women. Almost all of them were Bernie supporters who are now flirting with voting for Trump.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:32 pm
You’re talking about Cruz winning a handful of GOP primaries.
I’m talking about Cruz winning the general election.
If you read what I said, I said that Cruz doesn’t appear to have the “instincts” to win a general election.
The whole “New York values” may be true — but it’s not a delicate strategy for seducing people in the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania/Boston corridor to vote for you in a general election.
I bet Cruz could win a race for President of Texas. But there’s 49 other states out there, and making yourself acceptable to them is how you become President of the United States and Commander in Chief — not by telling them they’re stupid.
Again, some of you guys want to win the election on paper. But the election is won in the real world. Telling a woman she’s got fat thighs, then following that up with, “Hey honey, wanna go out on Friday night?” is not the best strategy for getting a date. The woman may well have fat thighs, but telling her so is still not the best strategy for getting a date.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:38 pm
A great number of GOPe leaders, including both Boehner and McConnell, have acknowledged their preference for Trump. It’s clear they see Trump as one of theirs, but simply lacking the polished disingenuity of a professional politician. The only thing Trump really dislikes about Ryan is that he has the temerity to fail to support him. You are kidding yourself if you think Trump is the anti-GOPe candidate. Trump’s over the top corn subsidy pander in Iowa should have told you that.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:41 pm
Interesting analogy, CS, as I thought it was Trump that trashed women and then wondered what the fuss was about.
What ThOR said, again. I want to vote for a person first and a politician second. I hate seeing people spar with one another as if it matters, then 2 minutes later act as if everything was just role playing.MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:45 pm
Well, some roles shouldn’t be played, like insulting a person’s family and repeatedly calling them a liar if you don’t mean it.
And if Trump did mean it, why did they ask Cruz to speak?
“45.I’m not giving up, I want Trump to fight.
But if he’s not going to fight Hillary, let’s find someone who will.”
Oh great! And here I thought the primaries were over. I guess I was wrong and that Republican convention was just a dream.
“49.We should have nominated someone like Rubio, Walker, Fiorina, or Jindal.”
That would be the Walker who dropped out before the first primary?
That would be the Rubio who got crushed in his home state?
“I just wish he would drop out, so we could offer America a reasonable alternative to Crooked Hillary.”
Who is thie “we”? All 200 of the neverTrump brigade?
“61.Our esteemed host wrote:
Ted Cruz could have smashed her.”
Ted Cruz would have not only been smashed by Hillary & the MSM, they would have hung his Canadian birth around his neck. And before you pull out the bit about what judges have ruled, remember that it is not judges that have to be convinced, but voters.
“62. Trump can’t stay on message.”
Oh, he stays on message allright. It’s just that he stays on *him* message and not yours.
LBascom undertands all this. You guys should listen to him. And Colonel Haiku.
“94. [Trump] entered midway, arranged for some booing, particularly in the New York delegation,…”
We didn’t watch it, but the next morning I read my wife that part of Cruz’s transcript. Her immediate reaction was “That piece of sh*t SOB.” Nobody cued her to boo.fred-2 (ce04f3) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:50 pm
I’m still not buying it.
With all the anti-status quo and anti-Clinton sentiment built up over the years, it takes a really special Republican to lose the White House. It takes a man who is too self absorbed to do his homework and keep to the script. It takes the anti-Cruz. And that’s exactly who we’ve got.
I’m not saying that Cruz is a sure thing. I’m with MD in Philly: “It will be an extraordinary event if any truly reform minded president is ever elected.” What will keep Cruz out of the White House is that he won’t play patty-cake with the monied interests.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:52 pm
What Trump dislikes about Ryan is that Cruz beat Trump in Wisconsin by 48% to 35%. Ryan does not need Trump. Trump needs Ryan. Same thing with Kasich. Kasich has never lost an election in Ohio and Trump needs his organization.nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2016 @ 3:58 pm
So here are the inflammatory words:
“We deserve leaders who stand for principle, who unite us all behind shared values, who cast aside anger for love. That is the standard we should expect from everybody. And, to those listening, please don’t stay home in November.
If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.”
Who among us responds to those comments with “That piece of sh*t SOB”? Let’s see hands!ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:00 pm
there’s so so so many things to dislike about pervy Mitt Romney’s bottom boy Paul Ryan he’s like lady ghostbusters crossed with zikahappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:01 pm
i think he’s a grandiose narcissistic pooper Mr. ThORhappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:02 pm
We should thank Cruz for drawing such a clear distinction between those who do and do not support Trump.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:11 pm
@ 107.We should thank Cruz for drawing such a clear distinction between those who do and do not support Trump.
Yeah. Tedtoo was for him. Before he was against him.DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:13 pm
you thank him i have nothing but insolence and scorn for to do all up on him
he is no good in the hoodhappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:14 pm
The father of radicalized Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen is supporting Hillary Clinton for president and attended a rally for the candidate Monday, standing near the stage as she addressed the crowd.
“Oops.” – Rick PerryDCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:15 pm
I think we both know who the grandiose narcissistic pooper is. Don’t we, happy?
For those of you who don’t know, “grandiose” is a term of art for the pathologically narcissistic. You’ve been reading your DSM, haven’t you happy?ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:18 pm
no i been reading about vampireshappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:20 pm
The father of radicalized Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen had, and was holding in some picture a huge sign quoting something former deputy CIA director Mike Morrell said as reason to vote for Hillary Clinton.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:21 pm
#100 MD in Philly,
Ted Cruz doesn’t have the instincts to win a general election, but neither does Donald Trump.
That’s what’s so sad about this election cycle.Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:24 pm
We have this weak, corrupt, sad-sack Hillary who is asking to be beaten like a drum, yet we didn’t nominate someone who knows how to use a drumstick.
he didn’t issue them press credentials, but they actually could attend.
which is neitehr here nor there. Hillary’s rallies don’t have any protesters.
Look, this man is a VIP, and somebody’s candidate for president of Afghanistan.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:25 pm
For those of you who are interested, here are the diagnostic criteria:
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or highstatus people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration.
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
I think Shorty scores a perfect 9.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:26 pm
ThOR @104 “Who among us responds to those comments…”
Somebody who knows that “vote your conscience” might mean don’t vote for him.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:28 pm
i think a tranny just stole my nikeshappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:29 pm
damn swoosh swishhappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:31 pm
About Nov ’08.Bill H (971e5f) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:32 pm
“this man is a VIP, and somebody’s candidate for president of Afghanistan.”
And his son murdering almost 50 people didn’t change any of that.
I think he’s part of Hillary’s secret plan to end the war. Or at least an option.Sammy Finkelman (03c82c) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:33 pm
A switch swish swiped your swooshes?nk (dbc370) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:33 pm
it was horriblehappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:34 pm
It was a brilliant construction by Cruz. He got Trump and his supporters to affirm their own immorality on national television. A deserving lot, they truly are.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:43 pm
I’m just sorry Cruz didn’t mention Mom and Apple Pie, so the Trump contingent could boo that too.ThOR (c9324e) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:51 pm
where do they get these notions,
read the whole thing,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 4:53 pm
If we lose 2016, I have no dog in the 2020 fight, except payback.”
Wonderful. A rump block of pseudo-Republicans drop in from Free Republic and other digital bunkers, hijack the party nomination despite being told that if they do this, they’re on their own, put up a candidate WHO CANNOT TIE HIS OWN SHOES and who tells the party rank-and-file to frack off while he goes about making sure that the opposition wins, and they then come and rant about how the people who said “you’re on your own” won’t help.
You cannot threaten to blow up the GOP after you’ve already done it.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:00 pm
perspective worth considering,
most trump supporters weren’t on political social media of any kind before this,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:02 pm
you act like harvardtrash ted and his sacky won’t come back in four years and charm the socks off rump block america with their compelling and sassy brand of kim davis conservatism
i do not appreciate thishappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:04 pm
“The Base” is not the group that put up Trump. It’s Democrats like Micky Kaus, confused statist “libertarians” like Bill Quick, Cruz-bashing whackjobs like Jim Hoft and a lot of folks who haven’t voted for a Republican in decades.
Of course, everyone assumes that their faction is “the Base” but it’s really the folks that show up every year to walk precincts and answer phones, and those people were never ever for Trump. As we will see in November.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:05 pm
as if mickey kaus had that power, bill’s a contrarian in many things, really the weirding modules are not that powerfulnarciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:08 pm
nonono Mr. M it was pervy Mitt Romney bottom boys with hawt abs like Paul Ryan and hyper-entitled bushfilth like Jebbio what put up Mr. Trump
we were all watching this and scratching our headshappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:08 pm
The following people could beat Hillary, in no particular order:
Cruz, Jeb!, Rubio, Kasich, Condi, Romney, Christie, Carly, Gingrich, Walker, Cotton, Huckabee and probably poppy Bush.
But Trump will lose by 20 points.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:12 pm
Mr. Trump will not lose by 20 points that’s not even a true statementhappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:13 pm
You other guys that support Trump should recall that happfeet wants LGBTXYZ the law of the land and thinks Trump will do it.Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:14 pm
yes yes cause stinkypig won’t do any LGBTXYZ all up in America
slap a poofter upside the head vote stinkypig
your beautiful straight white christian boy-childs will thank you in their prayers when the go into the duggar prayer closet every nighthappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:18 pm
when *they* go into the duggar prayer closet every night i meanhappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:19 pm
I think Shorty scores a perfect 9.
As does the Hillary.kishnevi (bfcc0b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:19 pm
DONald trUMP!! !kerblam! NOW will you vote for me?
….Sir, try to point the weirding module away from OUR side, please…. wait … wait …
DONald trUMP!! !kerblam!Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:19 pm
hey, you know ethan hawke best,narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:24 pm
narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:02 pm
Yes, I was going to link something showing how CNN and the DNC were trying to distort and manipulate Trump’s comment.
The point that sticks out to me is this.
The Donald has been in the public eye for thirty years, more or less, if you start with the time his deals started becoming newsworthy. Longer actually than the Hillary has. But he still has not learned that if you don’t say clearly and precisely what you mean, others will be glad to present a twisted meaning to hurt you and benefit them.
Or does he simply not care?kishnevi (bfcc0b) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:33 pm
when *they* go into the duggar prayer closet every night i mean
It took you TWO tries to craft that inane, pseudo-edgy, yet predictable as a clock cricket-inducing clunker? You’re off your game. Better go back to scatology and lame pop culture references.Jack Klompus (f1f212) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:33 pm
A Norm Peterson/Cliff Clavin ticket would beat her. But Trump isn’t in that class.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/9/2016 @ 1:13 pm
Hank Hill in 2016… Jaysus H. Keerist!!!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:34 pm
Hank Hill in 2016… Jaysus H. Keerist!!!
Only if Coach Sauers or Buck Strickland is the running mate!Jack Klompus (f1f212) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:36 pm
things that make you hmm,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/09/hillary-emails-message-private-server-betrayed-name-nsa-agent/narciso (732bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:49 pm
“P.S. Trump is absolutely tanking against Hillary.”
You want Trump to tank, and you’ve been trying mightily to get Trump to tank, right Patterico?
Next comes the blog post about how Trump put out a hit on Hillary today, instead of merely saying he believes that the gun rights people can POLITICALLY stop Hillary and/or her judicial nominees?Andrew (b75ced) — 8/9/2016 @ 5:54 pm
You’re off your game.
i’m multi-taskinghappyfeet (28a91b) — 8/9/2016 @ 6:02 pm
The short-circuit scent.DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/9/2016 @ 7:26 pm
Seddique Mateen was standing about 4 rows behind and ten people to the right of Hillary and was one of no more than about 15% of the crowd behind Hillary holding a STRONGER TOGETHER sign, which he must have gotten from some organization associated with the rally. He had a different sign later.
There couldn’t have been more than about 300 people in taht whole section of the crowd. The campaign said there were about 3,000 people there.Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 8/10/2016 @ 10:06 am
Unfortunately Trump was El Chingon vs Cruz so a la chingada con Cruzsteveg (fed1c9) — 8/10/2016 @ 8:42 pm
Nah, Trump sucked out the nomination from the dummies who voted for him, and from the GOPe homos who would rather try to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear than make waves.nk (dbc370) — 8/10/2016 @ 8:52 pm
He knows his demographic and how to pander to them like a Yokohama pimp when the Seventh Fleet is in port. He was talking to the camouflage underwear crowd who fantasize about a new Civil War in their sandbag-lined basements among their ammo cans and bags of Tannerite.nk (dbc370) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:09 pm
5.11 camo underoos have moisture wicking velcro, because every day is leg day when you’re running away from the truth, and that means a lot of perspiration.Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:17 pm
maybe those communities should die, like noted humanitarian, kevin williamson has put, well they may followed by the frequent brownouts and the collapse of the electrical grid,narciso (732bc0) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:24 pm
They really are stupid if they are hiding out behind the tannerite.
so the GOPe son mas puto in your view?
I still think Trump-however and whoever voted for him- dijo vete a la chingada a la competencia.
anyway, enough Spanglish for the night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsoVlDFqZgsteveg (fed1c9) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:30 pm
no, I would say, nos han estado jodiendo, (they have been screwing with us) too long, with no response, and that is the result,narciso (732bc0) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:44 pm
and that’s a benigh translation, where has there been signs of competence with maverick, no that was enemy action, that he permitted, with mittens, less so, he hired the people who did the former, but didn’t watch his own back,narciso (732bc0) — 8/10/2016 @ 9:48 pm
http://onlineathens.com/mobile/2016-03-23/walton-county-man-has-leg-severed-while-blowing-lawn-mowersteveg (fed1c9) — 8/10/2016 @ 10:05 pm
you’d have thought from the title that the mower would have been in a better mood
50lbs of tannerite at 50 yds equals jodidosteveg (fed1c9) — 8/10/2016 @ 10:09 pm
I think that’s a reasonable conclusion,narciso (732bc0) — 8/10/2016 @ 10:12 pm
I think it’s “safe” until you mix the two parts.nk (dbc370) — 8/10/2016 @ 10:19 pm