Melania and Staff Completely Rewrote Speech
The Trump campaign declined to say who or how many senior campaign officials read or reviewed the speech. But when Ms. Trump and her staff had finished revising the speech, virtually all that remained from the original was an introduction and a passage that included the phrase “a national campaign like no other.”
I told you Matt Scully had nothing to do with this.
I had the treat of turning on Mark Levin as I drove home yesterday, and got to listen to him screaming THEY’RE ATTACKING HER BECAUSE SHE’S A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN THERE I SAID IT! and that sort of nonsense.
Obama cribbed off Deval Patrick, and nobody cared. Again: to me, the great thing about this is how they deny deny deny that it’s plagiarism when it obviously is. They never ever ever ever ever EVER admit they were wrong about anything. Some of you think that’s strength.
It’s not.
Meanwhile, Facepalm Guy has been identified. He’s South Dakota State Representative Isaac Latterell.
“I just think that it’s a sad day for the Republican party,” Latterell said Tuesday night in a phone interview. “I don’t think that the candidate that was chosen has a chance of winning the election, or being different than the other nominee.”
He also said the motion was his only way to “protest what is going on in the corrupt RNC.” Latterell said he voted for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in the state’s primary election.
The Republican party needs more people like Isaac Latterell, and fewer people like Donald Trump and Chris Christie and Paul Manafort who will look you in the eye and deny that the sky is blue.
Tonight, Ted Cruz and his opaque, Delphic quasi-sorta-non-endorsement for Trump! Yay!
My mom’s coming into town. Think I’ll skip all of it.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:45 amthe massageyness on Melania in the media is so disgusting to where I’ve already abjured it several times
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:24 amMr happyfeet, you need to stop obsessing over the recent revelation that Barack secretly negotiated a loophole for the Iranian Mullahs to begin nuclear proliferation much earlier than originally agreed to.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:31 amInstead, you should focus all of your attention on the more inherently dangerous issue of Melania Trump borrowing passages from someone else’s inspirational speech!
Patterico, why not tell your readers that Donald Trump Jr. yesterday acknowledged plagiarism: “I imagine there’s people who shouldn’t have done that or who should have cleaned it up better.” That’s adequate IMHO. It was barely more than a sentence of very generic material.
Andrew Hyman (4ede3b) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:34 amWhile Rome burns, he plays his fiddle.
The Outrage!
Colonel Haiku (bba461) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:40 amColonel, I realize the ship is sinking, but could you kindly give me a hand in re-arranging these deck chairs over here?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:43 amYeah it seemed unlikely, as I pointed out upon further thought, that it would be the guy who wrote the first draft who intentionally plagiarized for the purposes of sabotage. Too much chance for it to be found out and lose one’s reputation as a writer for no political gain at all.
That said, this is not the biggest scandal in history. Compared to Clinton, either one, it’s nothing and they should be stopped from taking over the country.
Manafort screwed up, however this went down. Melania Trump’s speech was his responsibility to sign off on.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:43 amHow is Manafort responsible for what was obviously a Trump Family Project? Actual campaigns have communication staffs and a real (rather than virtual) communication manager/director responsible for vetting communication to prevent inadvertent (or intentional) idiocy. Shoestring Trump has a clump of Trumps to whom the term ‘professional’ will never apply.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:51 amI.e. more of the same since 2008.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:51 amNah, it’s doing great. The second night was a smash hit.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:52 amProbably shoestring campaigns will have some sorts of problems large campaigns won’t and vice versa.
But man, has this been one hell of a successful shoestring campaign or what?!
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:55 amThe LA Times is masturbating in public, as usual: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-trump-coup-20160719-snap-story.html
Dave (in MA) (037445) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:55 amJust for the record are there any homilies that Michelle Obama doesn’t have proprietary ownership of?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:56 amMaybe the “early to bed early to rise…”?
Will she bring lawsuit against Ben Franklin’s descendants?
I think happyfeet should start worrying why Trump wants to have an ex-Goldman Sachs executive as Treasury Secretary.
Maybe he’s not as anti-establishment as he says??
Hmmmm…..
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:00 amYeah, that really pissed me off.
The President destabilized race relations in the United States and supported an armed insurrection against the police.
Also he, and Hillary Clinton, destabilized the Middle East, and launched waves of migrants on Europe to attack them and destabilize Europe itself.
We did not try to remove the President by force; I haven’t even heard of an assassination attempt.
The left has already tried to kill Donald Trump and you have leftists writing in the major paper, THE LA TIMES about a coup being necessary to remove Donald Trump from elected office.
Leftist street thugs have attacked people at umpteen locations such as San Jose and shut down whole Trump rallies such as in Chicago.
These commie thugs attacked Alex Jones, physically, yesterday, in a leftist attack funded by George Soros.
I am really sick and tired of the left engaging in such political violence. They aren’t turning America into the goddamn USSR, like they did … in the USSR.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:00 ammaybe we should consider the significance of more significant borrowings,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/politicians-plagiarizing_us_578e8467e4b004b4c9a38b6d
the Sun King’s lies are quite evident, yet he has red queen’s habits of appropriating credit,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:02 amHuh. First Trump fans were saying the plagiarism is just normal and how politicians do things. Then they were saying it’s yet another conspiracy, like when Cruz’s dad murdered JFK. Kinda contradictory.
Time to demand we change the subject from Team R to some unrelated outrage from Team D. Everyone here already agrees about Obama and Hillary, but we must talk about that and that alone. In unison. There is no room to discuss any corruption in Team R, and such talk is like being a traitor. Because we’re on the Titanic or something.
Funny how they said that in 2008 and 2012. If we elect or reelect Obama, the nation will not survive, they lied. There’s just no time to scrutinize Team R. Maybe later. Not 2016, of course. Maybe later though.
But how come both parties have this problem where they are run by corrupt bastards that don’t represent the people? Does this have anything to do with this principle of desperate partisanship?
This year is a great year to talk about it, because we already nominated a dud and we’re going to lose anyway. Principles are cheap this year, and it’s telling who still sells out.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:05 amthis is too pathetic even for keystone cops,
http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-delegates-react-to-rnc-vote-switch-from-cruz-to-trump
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:06 amDon’t straw man. I never said plagiarism is just normal. I’ve criticized Biden for years for his (much more serious since what he said about himself and his life wasn’t even true) plagiarism.
Anyway, Patterico wrote a post about it being a mole.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:09 amDonald Trump Jr. actually delivered a pretty good speech last night, that I doubt his fatehr could have, even with the help of a teleprompter. He sounded like a candidate for Congress.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:10 amLegit.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:10 amDesperate partisanship?
Speaking of mangina’s ready for Hillary
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:13 amSammy,
I watched Donald Trump Jr.’s speech with my girlfriend last night. First thing I said to her is, “He’s got a great voice.” We talked about how he could have been a radio announcer.
Then on substance and delivery, he was on fire. That was an exemplary speech, more than just solid! He would be a credible political candidate, for sure.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:15 amDenver Guy is worried about the Left turning the US into the USSR.
The business about the Utah vote, and the way the roll call vote was steamrolled on Monday, are a lot more like how the Soviets operated than are the thugs attacking Alex Jones.
kishnevi (31ec7b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:18 amPat you’re the one who informed us Matt Scully was involved.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:19 amWin or lose big Trump, start floating Jr. as MoNY in 2017. I’d prefer Rep. Dan Donovan, but choosing a Staten Islander might be a bridge too far for many.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:20 amAnyway, Patterico wrote a post about it being a mole.
kishnevi (31ec7b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:21 amBit improbable that Melania is a mole
kishnevi, did you speak out against the Colorado designation disenfranchising us? I’m thinking you did not, with anywhere near this passion if at all.
But attacking people in the street for political reasons is VERY communist, contra your assertions.
Did I defend what the Utah delegation did, disenfranchising their voters? No. No, I did not.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:22 amNo F’n kidding.
Anyway, what most likely happened is what I was talking about the other day. A type of plagiarism I’ve been warned about in some recent English classes I took is where you do a lot of research for an assignment and, unconsciously but still wrongly (it’s plagiarism), regurgitate some of the better lines and style of one of your sources that resonated with you in your research. Probably that’s what Melania or someone helping her did. My guess would be Melania.
It’s still plagiarism, but it’s not willful cheating. It is unlikely she said to herself, “I know! Plagiarizing the sitting first lady would be a wonderful idea.”
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:25 amUtah voting as a unit on account of their society ladies getting a case of the vapors over an old modeling shoot is a bit embarrassing.
Just a bit, but the try at rewriting the rules so the rest of the country is forced to follow them in to prudery, that was tragic and sad.
Kind of like Colorado not holding a vote and just declaring a winner.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:28 amrule of law, what is that,
http://therightscoop.com/one-republican-senator-wants-everyone-to-calm-down-about-hillary-going-to-prison/
you know I’m not a fan of stay puft, but he gave a good summation last night,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:30 amNo, because as best I can tell no one got disenfranchised. The process worked in Colorado the way the process is supposed to work. If Team Trump could not figure out how to get their guy elected according to the rules, the fault is in Team Trump, not the rules.
Here votes for Cruz were changed to votes for Trump by fiat. That’s how the Soviet Union worked. All loyal workers voted for Stalin even when they did not. Bureaucratic repression was the primary tool of suppressing dissent. And those who could stand up to the bureaucrats became the targets of the secret police, not random thugs. (And if they were targeted by thugs, you can be sure the police arranged the thuggery)
You apparently know less about the Soviet regime than you think you do.
kishnevi (31ec7b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:35 amUp yours.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:36 amIf Melania rickrolled herself, that would be epic.
She will have won the internet.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:37 amLook, the man is taking time out of his busy schedule to mock you:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755787159735570432
“THEY’RE ATTACKING HER BECAUSE SHE’S A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN THERE I SAID IT!”
Sounds like Mark Levin is coming around to a more nuanced and less emotional position! It would be insane for a party so dependent on the ugly woman demographic to not attack beautiful women at any opportunity.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:38 amPeople will write songs about Melania’s speech.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:40 am“to me, the great thing about this is how they deny deny deny that it’s plagiarism when it obviously is. They never ever ever ever ever EVER admit they were wrong about anything. Some of you think that’s strength.”
It’s common sense ans sensibility in the SJW era. When facing opponents who have a hidden agenda and won’t change their mind no matter what you say, NEVER, EVER, EVER APOLOGIZE ON DEMAND.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:41 amGoes against both my original sensibilities and my Dale Carnegie training, but more and more I am looking at it this way for exactly this reason.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:46 amApparently you don’t know as much of the rules as you think = Objection! Badgering the witness.
There are criteria to be met when bringing a pointless gesture from the minority forward at the convention. There are a certain amount of state delegations that have to be involved.
The minority didn’t fulfill that criteria.
The proprieties were maintained at all points . Utah’s delegate lost the motion by popular acclaim.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:49 amWow. So the big issue of the day is whether Melania Trump’s speech plagiarized the words to express a rather common philosophical expression, “my word is my bond.”
Seriously, do any of you really care whether Ms. Trump’s speech “reused” someone else’s words in her speech??
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:51 amFall girl identified, offers sword, but it isnt swung:
https://www.facebook.com/BenBradleyABC7/photos/a.640877419260072.1073741828.594277073920107/1384892504858556/?type=3&theater
Again mastery by the Trump team, not to give a woman a swift hook and actually compliment the sitting first lady.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:51 amThis is also an example of why political speechwriting is actually a profession.
SPQR (a3a747) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:55 amThat plus last night’s excellent execution turn this into a win, I think!
Or at least mitigate the damage mightily.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:56 amApologies only work with people who are dealing in good faith.
When faced with a “gotcha” accusation by people who’s only goal is to destroy you, never, ever, ever apologize.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:57 am#10 Denver Guy,
You misinterpreted my Titanic analogy. I wasn’t talking about the Convention “sinking,” rather I was just talking about the country (and the world) in general.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:59 amWhile the country’s sinking, people are “re-arranging the deck chairs” by obsessing over borrowed passages from motivational speeches by First Ladies.
This is probably a real, bona fide reaction from Trump. It’s like when Trump had a contestant with a drug problem. He didn’t fire her. He gave her another chance.
This appears to be the kind of guy Trump is.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:00 amOhio voted as a block for Gov. Kassich, but during the roll call there were no recriminations or awkwardness. In fact there was a hearty cheer, as a nod to the work of the Kassich campaign.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:03 amAh ha! Thanks for correcting me.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:05 amMelania lied. That’s the truth.
Complain and whine all day about the truth, while telling us not to pay attention to the Trump lie of the week. Maybe tell us that by having a scandal every week Trump is cleverly getting more attention. about how Republicans are liars or bigots or idiots. You won’t feel so clever in November.
Trump is a con artist.
If you don’t know who the mark is, you’re the mark.
That’s your way. It’s also Hillary’s way and Trump’s way. My way is to just tell the truth, admit when you’re wrong, and hope for something better than self glory.
I’d rather we have a political party with a greater purpose than beating the other political party, but thanks to you guys, we don’t. We have two democrat parties now.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:13 amStuck In The Middle With
YouTrumpWell, I don’t know why I came here today
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:15 amI got the feeling that there’s not much to say
I’m so tired of hearing ’bout such small stuff
As I’m watching some give Dem donkey a fluff
Clowns to the left of me, fluffers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with Trump
Yes, I’m stuck in the middle with Trump
And I’m wondering why these guys have gone Gump
It’s so strange to see smart folks help the Loons
And I hope they regain sanity soon
Clowns to the left of me, fluffers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with Trump
Well, we started off real happy
We were proud we had a guy named Cruz
But our hopes were dashed and now some
B*tch and moan and say Trump’ll
Loo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooze… loo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooze
By the way, this doesn’t mean this isn’t also Melania’s fault on some level, since she may have recognized the similarities of the final passages to Michelle’s original passages. However, she’s not a professional writer and may have assumed they were changed enough not to be plagiarism. From Melania’s viewpoint, she may have thought there was nothing wrong with expressing a similarity between someone else she admired, Michelle Obama, in a similar way.
This is wrong, of course. It was plagiarism, but the professional writer is the one who most reasonably should have caught it and explained to Melania why she can’t use those passages that close to the originals.
Even if they were few and very brief and expressed common sentiments.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:15 amThis is my take-away. Melania laughing at us.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:16 amOK, and I respect that as far as it goes (truly do), but, on the other hand, this is often bad tactics in this day and age; and saving the country is more important that Marquis de Queensbury rules. In my opinion.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:19 amDenver Guy,
We have to stop Trump before he stops Hillary — don’t you get it? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:29 amThis is my take-away. Melania laughing at us.
I prefer to think of it as allowing the audience to participate, play along on the home version.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:32 amDustin says “49.Melania lied. That’s the truth.”
Really? Melania “lied”? Do you have proof that she intentionally told a falsehood?
YOU sound like one of those people not dealing with others in good faith, and justifying it by wrapping yourself in the flag of self-righteousness.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:34 amDr. WuSentient FolkMelly tried
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:36 amShe was halfway crucified
I was on the other side
Of no tomorrow
All alone
And the effing sinners cast their stones
Just ‘cuz of some template words she thought
She could borrow
All night long
They would sing their stupid song
And every word they sang
As stale as their jokes
Are you with me sentient folk
Do you really think a Clinton
Is okay and not a joke
Are you crazy are you high?
Can you look us in the eye?
Have you done all you can try?
Are you with me sentients
Can you hear me sentients
Like Roy McAvoy’s +12 on the 18th green. It’s historic.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:36 amDustin says “49.Melania lied. That’s the truth.”
Yeah. Well, he’s been ready for Hillary for the better part of a year.
His pajama’s have feet.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:38 amOkay… not big Stealer’s Wheel or Steely Dan fans, I see…
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:40 amThere… he said it. The ultimate analysis of Dustin.
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:41 amI love Steely Dan – but I can’t spell or even remember one of their song titles.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:44 amA19?
50., who should sit tied up in the chair and gets tortured while “Stuck in the Middle with You” is played?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:45 amWith a forlorn hope it’s their problem, and not mine.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:46 am#56 Some Dude,
That’s his skill-set.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:47 amHis X-ray vision enables him to see inside everyone else’s mind and heart in order to identify their sketchy, cynical motives. Needless to say, his motives are as pure as the driven snow.
he is lamont cranston, the shadow, that’s how he knew cristine was corrupt, how did that work out btw,
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2016/07/19/gq-writer-apologizes-tweet-about-wanting-beat-benghazi-mom-death?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=marketing&utm_campaign=gq-benghazi
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:57 amAll politics is plagiarism. BFD.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:59 amMichelle Obama Copied Alinsky in Speech Melania Trump Allegedly Plagiarized
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:05 am67. Kevin is right. Melania plagiarizing a speech is a trivial thing that deserves ZERO attention.
Not like lying about why your operatives got killed during an election year (“it was a terrible, terrible video. Not my policies”).
Not like lying to Congress.
Not like having a family foundation taking massive donations from parties with matters pending under your jurisdiction.
Not like implementing policies that destabilized Syria, Libya, and other countries and resulted in a massive expansion of ISIS and the greatest number of refugees since WWII.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:05 amManafort denies, Melania lied, Trump organization staffer Meredith McIver admits ‘inadvertent’ cribbing, aka plagiarism, offers resignation and The Great White Dope refuses to say ‘you’re fired’ and won’t accept it. Hell, even Nixon fired long time loyalist H.R. Halderman.
No character, no ethics, no balls, Donald.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:11 amKevin woke up, smelled teh cat food…
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:18 amSchindler’s List : What is power?
(YouTube)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:47 amThis is not a very sound argument and hearing Trump make it should give people here who support it and positions like it (ecce the Virtues of Simple Despotism as told by Muammar Ghadaffi) some pause.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:49 amShould hasten to add – Hillary is unsuited for the Presidency, by dint of rampant venality and incompetence.
I accept that mileage varies as to whether The Donald is a superior switch or an ersatz option.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:52 amthe mnuchin guess came from scaramucci, who used to bundle for walker, if he can wrangle up enough hollywood donors, then likely he would be in consideration,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:53 am“Melania and Trump Staff Re-write Speech, Crib From Covey Template And Conservative Pajama Boys Lose Their Sh*t”
Film at 11…
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:57 amI think she’ll be a terrible president, but yes, I’ve accepted it’s probably going to happen. It’s the fault of Trump’s devoted fans that she’s going to be president. I’m sure when she’s sworn in you’ll blame folks like me that warned you.
Not to beat a dead horse, but when you Trump guys have fainting spells about Hillary whenever Trump is called out, I recall your boy Trump did say he thought Hillary would be a great president. He did donate to her. He is running his campaign as though he wants her to win.
And she will. Because while Hillary is wrong on everything, she just can’t do the kind of damage Trump can. Hell, if she wins the GOP will become the opposition party. Four years from now they will be discussing how to fix the problems. If Trump wins, the GOP remains the democrat party 2.0, and four years from now we’ll see the same fainting spells whenever any scandal is honestly discussed. The establishment that showed Trump its belly will stamp out any primary opponents that could challenge the gravy train.
But this is all academic. Hillary is going to win. Those of you who have become shills are doing it for nothing.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:58 amThat’s the Hippocratic Oath. 2000 years tested and proven true.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:59 amYou ever have trouble with the carpels tunnel, Dustin?
It’s easier if you just link the ready made slogan (jpeg). Save the wear and tear on your keyboard.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:05 pmHomewrecker said she wrote the speech herself.
The post proves she was lying about that.
You already knew this and will now quibble about what the meaning of ‘is’ is. Because when you say I’m not dealing in good faith, you are projecting. Trump fans like to project.
See:
You think bad faith is good, and you also think calling the honest liars is some sort of strength, the way Alinksy did. Because, after all, Trump won the primary, so his dishonesty and mud slinging are right.
How sad.
It’s telling that you’re attacking me for acting ‘righteous.’ I’m not intending to, but I think most Trump fans find honesty really irritating. They are sensitive about it.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:07 pmDSCA says, “70.Manafort denies, Melania lied, Trump organization staffer Meredith McIver admits ‘inadvertent’ cribbing, aka plagiarism, offers resignation and The Great White Dope refuses to say ‘you’re fired’ and won’t accept it. Hell, even Nixon fired long time loyalist H.R. Halderman.
No character, no ethics, no balls, Donald.”
what a load of bovine scatology. it’s not a crime to plagiarize a speech, and it’s not even clear Melania knew it was plagiarized. Seriously, NO ONE CARES except for a few people looking for any reason to bash Trump.l
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:07 pmJP says, “This is not a very sound argument and hearing Trump make it should give people here who support it and positions like it (ecce the Virtues of Simple Despotism as told by Muammar Ghadaffi) some pause.”
Except that it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE that the Obama administration (including Sec Clinton) presided over the withdrawal of Iraq against the advice of the generals and Leon Panetta, the rise of ISIS and the declaration of a caliphate in 2014, the fall of Ghaddafi and the spread of ISIS into Libya, and the arming of “moderate” Syrian rebels even though DIA clearly warned around 2012 that a “Salafist State” (e.g. ISIS) would be the likely result.
So I really don’t understand what you are talking about, and I suspect you don’t either.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:12 pm“Twitter is intent on protecting free speech, as long as you are a Hollywood actress who bravely tweets about white people, or a New York globalist advocating for violence against Donald Trump,” he said. “They’ve made it clear that being gay and conservative doesn’t get me past the velvet rope into their free speech club, which is looking more and more like the same liberal echo chamber the mainstream media turned into decades ago.”
— Milo Yiannopoulos
Banned on twitter and twitchy.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:13 pmIt pleases me that you’re so upset that you have to insult me, and amuses me that this is the best you can come up with.
How many of those bumper stickers do you think Trump’s donation to Hillary’s campaign would buy? Ten million? Twenty million? I’m just accepting Hillary as the lesser of two evils, but Trump told you Hillary should be president. Hell, he said she would be a “GREAT” president.
You never address this. Always change the subject. If Trump is so great and Hillary is so bad, how could Trump support her so much, for so many years, for so many offices, and so recently?
The answer is that you are a sucker. Trump used you to make Hillary president. The time for us to fight is over, actually. The last chance to stop Hillary was the convention. Like Haiku said to me yesterday, I just wish you a long and happy life.
I don’t think I need the Hillary sticker. Trump has done so much for her that the sticker won’t make a difference.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:13 pm“NO ONE CARES”
And that’s why it’s currently highlighted by Fox, CNN, the LAT, WaPO, NYT, New York Post and WSJ.
I hope McIver wasn’t hurt falling on the rubber sword.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:15 pm80. Dustin says, “You think bad faith is good, and you also think calling the honest liars is some sort of strength, the way Alinksy did. Because, after all, Trump won the primary, so his dishonesty and mud slinging are right.”
Uh, no. I never said any of those things. Tell you what, you speak for you and don’t put words into other peoples’ mouths.
The definition of a lie is to knowingly tell a falsehood. One can f*** up without knowingly telling a falsehood.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:16 pmso it turns out michelle copied not only alinski but bob dole people,!
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:19 pm85. Rick Ballard says, ““NO ONE CARES”
And that’s why it’s currently highlighted by Fox, CNN, the LAT, WaPO, NYT, New York Post and WSJ.”
yeah, and the Kardashians and Kanye get highlighted by the media all the time.
NO ONE CARES. No one is going to change their opinions based on whether or not Ms. Trump plagiarized some words that Michelle Obama may or may not have plagiarized.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:21 pmSure, the Iraq “withdrawal” (which is somewhat misleading since US troops have been there in one way or another anyway, whatever Obama wanted to pretend) was an unforced error.
And I would agree that some/many Obama-Hillary [JV Team] policies have actually heightened tensions and contributed to a decrease of security in the region.
But the idea that Libya and Syria were “stable” before the current Brain Donor Trust took the reins, which is what you implied above, is preposterous.
As is the argument that particular autocrats like Ghadaffi and Assad were assistants rather than hindrances in the furtherance of US national interests and broader regional stability.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:28 pmMelania lied. That’s the truth
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:13 am
That’s it. I’m not voting.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:35 pmDCSCA,
Why do you want more government control over your life?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:36 pmwell this is their record of accomplishment, and libya fallout spilled all the way to west africa, libya also was part of the second wave of bombings,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:36 pmNah.
I insult you because it’s fun.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:37 pmin paris, the libyan battalion was the one that abbaoud, the one time ‘mastermind’ was a part of,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:39 pmStability is the point with dictatorships – I think.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:39 pmthe real point was qaddafi for his own reasons, was cooperating with us on counterterror, gave up his nuclear program, this is the lesson people take from this
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:42 pm“He’s gotta go! – I knew he was going to cross me up!” Ted Cruz would run in 2020 even if Trump is president, RNC official says
http://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-ted-cruz-president-2020-000000680.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw via @Yahoo
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:47 pm@81: “what a load of bovine scatology. it’s not a crime to plagiarize a speech”
Talk about ‘bovine scatology’: nobody associated it with the term ‘crime’ — but you.
It does, however, reveal the comfort level your Great White Dope (and perhaps you as well) has with his own ‘bovine scatology,’ with misplaced loyalties, with low characters of weak ethics and a consistently dis-functional management style. You know, the kind of bug-infested presidential timber that’ll ‘make America “great” again.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:52 pmRE: 89 by JP
No one asserts that Libya and Syria were “stable” before the Obama administration poured gasoline on them and then lit a match. That’s just a straw-man argument.
But the FACTS, not my opinion, but FACTS are thus:
Obama was warned not to withdraw from Iraq by his SecDef and senior military advisors.
Open sources state after the withdrawal, the only US forces remaining in Iraq were 150 troops providing training. There were embassy and consulate personnel plus contractors, but essentially no US forces remaining after the 2011 withdrawal up until forces were belatedly reintroduced a few years later.
Obama was warned by DIA that arming Syrian “rebels” would likely result in a “Salafist state”.
The DIA warned that arms intending for Syrian “moderate rebels” were leaking to ISIS and other Salafist groups.
Obama supported the overthrow of Gadhafi AFTER Ghadhafi gave up his nuclear arms program at our urging, and Obama admitted he had no plan for what to do after Ghadhafi was removed.
ISIS was primarily formed by the surviving cadre of AQI, which moved to Syria.
ISIS declared a caliphate in 2015, SIX YEARS into Obama’s reign.
Now here comes the opinion part: as bad as Ghadhafi and Assad are, I’d rather have them in charge of their countries than Islamic theocrat monsters such as ISIS.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:55 pmoops, 2015 should be 2014 above. Typo
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:56 pm@80 “Really? Melania “lied”? Do you have proof that she intentionally told a falsehood?”
Really. See NBC News ‘TrumpForce 1’ interview w/Matt Lauer. But if you want to give her a pass for the routine political ‘I worked on it for weeks and wrote most of it myself’ fib, FBM. Regardless, she’s hiding from the press and damaged goods for a time. But rest easy, Colbert has a Melania look alike to satisfy your eye-candy cravings that makes a Stepford wife look like a cheap Gucci knockoff.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 12:59 pmDSCA says in 98, “It does, however, reveal the comfort level your Great White Dope …”
Huh. Michelle Obama may have plagiarized HER speech. Did you care then?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/
Biden plagiarized his speeches
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/politicians-plagiarism/
I think that anyone who cares about whether a prospective First Lady plagiarizes a speech is pole-vaulting over mouse-turds.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:00 pmYes, until they aren’t.
Let’s not pretend Ghaddafi’s Libya or Assad’s Syria are, or were, local glad-hands and relatively smooth regional operators like Lee Kuan Yew or Alfredo Stroessner.
They were and are particularly nasty thugs (even by Middle Eastern standards) who found great sport in exporting or aiding hostile anti-Western elements while subjugating their own citizens… And not even doing a very good job of the latter, as it turns out.
P.S. I apologise unreservedly for the spelling inconsistencies re the Good Colonel’s surname.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:01 pmYou did, just a few posts ago.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:02 pmOn behave of Katharine Ross, I resent that remark.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:04 pmJP says, “104.No one asserts that Libya and Syria were “stable” before the Obama administration poured gasoline on them and then lit a match. That’s just a straw-man argument.
You did, just a few posts ago.”
I said, “Not like implementing policies that destabilized Syria, Libya, and other countries and resulted in a massive expansion of ISIS and the greatest number of refugees since WWII.”
I suppose it might be possible for you to infer that I was asserting that Syria and Libya were stable prior to that, but I wasn’t asserting that at all.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:09 pmThey were and are particularly nasty thugs (even by Middle Eastern standards)
Water finds it’s own level, even in the Middle East.
Kaddafi was circumspect and restrained in his dealings with the West.
Assad was mission creep.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:10 pmJP says in 103, “Let’s not pretend Ghaddafi’s Libya or Assad’s Syria are, or were, local glad-hands and relatively smooth regional operators like Lee Kuan Yew or Alfredo Stroessner.”
no one is pretending that.
But the Christian and Yazidi population in Syria wasn’t undergoing genocide under Assad. Ghadhafi had given up his nuclear program.
The policy choice with most muslim countries isn’t between good and bad alternatives. It’s between bad, worse, and ISIS.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:13 pmKevin woke up, smelled teh cat food…
No, I just think that trivial issues are trivial issues. Every politicians steals from every other politician. Speeches, programs, policies, good ideas, bad ideas, etc. Focusing on petty ethics rather than the competence and platform of the candidates is HOW WE GOT HERE.
There are lots of reasons to dislike Trump. Ther are lots of reasons to dislike Hillary. Issues like their spouse lifted something from a speech (and I’ll bet it wasn’t original in the first instance) is the kind of stupid sh1t that distinguishes wingnut partisans from normal folks.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:22 pmAnd that’s why it’s currently highlighted by Fox, CNN, the LAT, WaPO, NYT, New York Post and WSJ.
Because the reporters don’t want to discuss real issues. It’s too hard. So they head straight for the superficial.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:25 pmRE: 109 – I agree with Kevin.
For Chrissakes, our current president apparently plagiarized and our current VP clearly plagiarized a speech. Melania isn’t even running for office.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:27 pmSome Dude,
DCSCA is a snarky left wing journalist who has worked for CBS.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:30 pmHe depends upon Colbert and MSNBC and Keith Olbermann and George Soros as sources for “truth” and “facts.”
http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/17/dozen-funniest-variations-obamas-pajama-boy-propaganda/
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:30 pmWhat the **** are you talking about? I’m not going to listen to a 20-minute video from some idiot who starts out with a double lie. CO didn’t have a primary, and didn’t pretend to have one, so there couldn’t have been any shenanigans in it. And there certainly was voting in the state of Colorado. Whoever showed up to their local Republican caucus got to vote for their delegate to the county convention. What else did you expect to vote on? (I also have no idea what a Colorado designation might be.)
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:33 pmThe Colorado state convention elected delegates. 37 winners were declared — the 37 delegates that were elected. I don’t understand what else you expected to happen.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:36 pmRE 112 by Cruz Supporter:
aren’t “journalist”, “left wing” and “snarkey” all redundant? Or maybe even synonymous?
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:37 pmAlso RE 112 by Cruz Supporter:
you notice DCSA hasn’t said jack since I pointed out that Michelle Obama plagiarized, Biden plagiarized, Barack Obama plagiarized?
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:39 pmThe
reporterspropagandists purpose in this instance is to reinforce a negative image while completely diminishing the purpose and intent of the speech. Given the general incompetence of the Trump campaign, it wasn’t a difficult task at all. The propagandists achieved their purpose in a journeyman manner and are now free to focus on the next error.It’s really no big deal any more than the next thirty or forty errors will be.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:43 pm#117 Some Dude,
Yeah, he’s not bothered by “plagiarism” for the sake of “ethics.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:46 pmRather, he’s just another garden-variety liberal who wants to see Hillary win.
But just like with the #NeverTrump crowd, he masquerades behind puritanical pursuit of “principles.” (LOL)
Yes, they did. That is the entire point. Your lies won’t change the fact that the voice vote was invalid, the rules were not validly adopted, and thus the nomination is also invalid.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:47 pmNo, the issue is that her speechwriter lifted an entire paragraph, changed a few words, and gave it to her to read, and that she falsely claimed to have written it herself.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:49 pmDenver Guy, why are you such a goddamn liar? You were not “disenfranchised” in Colorado. Colorado – but for two election cycles in the ’90’s – has used a caucus system since 1912.
The straw poll was _never_ binding. It chose no delegates. The straw poll was eliminated this year only because the national RNC rules forbade non binding straw polls.
The Trump “delegate” who claimed to be refused entry did not show up at the second round of caucuses. Because like all you damn Trumpkins, he was f’ing illiterate and could not follow simple directions.
But you continue to repeat the same goddamn lie.
SPQR (a3a747) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:52 pm@ Andrew Hyman (#4), who wrote:
Your “barely” is more than mine, but regardless, Trump allowed this to steal a bunch of the wind he needs in his campaign sails from this convention, through a totally unforced and preventable error. The Democrats are orgasmic over this self-inflicted wound, which is vastly better than anything they could have scripted or connived on their own.
I just read the ritual apology published on Trump letterhead by someone named Meredith McIvor. As a PR effort, it’s a nice job. What it utterly fails to address — and what I don’t recall you addressing, actually — is how someone named Meredith McIvor got in a position to make a mistake like this which cost the GOP nominee (sigh) so dearly.
Ms. McIvor is a ghostwriter who actually wrote some of Trump’s books for him. Okay, no one was forced to buy those books at gunpoint, probably. If her level of care and competence is satisfactory to Donald Trump for purposes of self-marketing as a supposed business expert, that’s his call to make.
But the GOP, whose nomination he’s now secured, has a right to expect of Trump at least as competent performance in his campaign as that which previous campaigns have shown. (Veteran speechwriters say it’s universal practice to run such carefully planned and important speeches through anti-plagiarism software, which the veteran speechwriters who should have been tasked with this work — and ironically, originally were; I’d love to see what Scully actually wrote! — were never permitted to employ.
Instead, this is still amateur hour. He’s not showing managerial competence, he’s showing the opposite of it, under the brightest public and media spotlight he’ll have until at least the presidential debates (if those happen) and possibly until the election itself.
That’s newsworthy. You are persistent and articulate in minimizing this event, but, respectfully, I’m still unpersuaded that you’re accurately describing its importance to this election.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 1:56 pmUnderstatement and politely Occidental are not usually words that come up in dialogue about Ghaddafi and his relationships with Western states, but let’s assume this is true for argument’s sake.
The main problem for the Ghaddafi-as-Bulwark theory is not that he was unruly and violently obnoxious to foreign powers and immediate neighbours, though these considerations are to be kept in mind.
The main problem is that he was so savagely and stupidly disposed towards his own citizens and so manifestly unprepared to deal with dissent, much less open revolt, once it arose.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:06 pmFrom Ms. McIvor’s ritual apology:
That is your confession of knowing, deliberate plagiarism by Ms. McIvor, who describes herself merely as “in-house staff writer with the Trump Organization” and “long-time friend and admirer of the Trump family.”
She’s a salaried PR writer — a trade that is accurately if unflatteringly referred to as “flacking.” What do you bet Trump decided not to pay the professional writers who did the completely-superseded first draft? Why use Scully, when you can get Meredith McIvor for no additional cost?
The best people! Only the best!
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:10 pmGadaffi certainly was. Ever since the day they pulled Saddam Hussein out of that spider hole. He turned over his entire nuclear program (which was frighteningly more advanced than the CIA had expected) and turned into an ally overnight. He was on our side and Clinton betrayed him. What does that tell the next enemy who wants to come in from the cold?
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:12 pmSeriously, Donald Trump pays a regular salary for the PR brilliance and acumen of someone too stupid to know that it’s a bad idea for Melania to quote from Michelle Obama.
Of all the people in the world. Michelle Obama.
It’s just mind-boggling.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:14 pmExcuse me — not “quote from,” I mean “appropriate from without attribution.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:14 pmThank God the Allies only used “principles” and “ethics” to defeat the Nazis.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:16 pmTough to organize a resistance with Hillary bombing you.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:18 pmAnd your point is?
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:19 pmYou live in Colorado and you don’t know how the GOP picks its presidential nominee? They’ve only been doing it the same basic way in 2016 as they’ve been doing it since before you were born. For a couple of election cycles in the 1990s to Y2K the CO GOP held primary elections. Before the ’90s, and since Colorado stopped holding primaries at state expense in 2003 the GOP had only ever had non-binding straw polls.
After 2003 the CO GOP reverted to the old rules it had operated under since the early 1900s. You didn’t notice? And the CO GOP announced in August 2015 that it wouldn’t hold a straw poll at all because of the national GOP changed its rules, requiring all state caucus straw polls to be binding. I take it this slipped by you.
Nobody was disenfranchised. If you are a Coloradan Republican and this was all news to you on Super Tuesday or shortly thereafter you have no excuses. I suggest being more involved.
If it is within the rules I will defend it. And if you don’t know the rules that’s not my problem. Know the rules and if you don’t like the rules work to change them.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:20 pmWe’re not quite to the end of this year’s convention, much less the election, so I’m hesitant to tune my crystal ball to 2020 yet.
But if Trump wins, I’d given even money at best as odds on whether a challenger would be looking at facing President Pence in 2020 — and that might be a very different calculation.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:21 pm@ Denver Guy (#132): You know who uses that “we were disenfranchised!” argument? Democrats, after every election that they lose fair and square.
Republicans have historically been the party whose voters can manage to find their way to the polls (or caucuses or however else the vote is being conducted) without having to be led their, paid in cigarettes and pick-up truck rides.
Trumpkins weren’t disenfranchised in Colorado. They were outvoted because they didn’t get enough of their slates proposed and publicized nor enough of their voters to the meetings.
Every time you repeat that kind of lie, I hate your candidate even worse, and want even less to do with him and his sycophants. It’s repulsive.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:25 pmIn reading a comparison of the two, I had no feeling that Mrs. Obama’s ideas were revolutionary or totally unique. The concepts were straightforward and the most perfunctory language was used to express them. To bash them because the same words are used for a concept is pretty trite.
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:25 pm*there
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:25 pmHe would have dealt with it just fine, if not for 0bama’s and Clinton’s illegal and treacherous bombing campaign.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:27 pmHe may be dead, but the whole world has gone Gadaffy.
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:27 pmCol. H, according to the Official Trump Party Line now, Melania read from Michelle Obama’s speeches over the phone, and McIvor wrote then down and then put them in the speech.
Why argue that this is not theft, when they’ve admitted it was theft?
It’s banal, trivial, stupid theft — that’s what makes it all the more ridiculous as a screw-up for the Trump campaign. It’s not like they managed to steal something profound or moving, like “Ask not what you can do for your country ….” They stole banalities.
But they stole them. That’s not in dispute anymore.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:28 pmerr … ask not what you can do for yourself. Whatever. I’m pretty sure JFK stole that from someone too, but he was much smarter about it.
It’s not the plagiarism, it’s the stupidity with which it was conducted, for no better gain, when detection was so certain and certain to be devastatingly distracting to the public.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:30 pmIt sends exactly the message it is intended to send. None of this is an accident. The leadership of the Democratic party hates America. Hence the need for fundamental transformation. The very foundation of this country is, in their eyes, hateful and wrong. The Supreme Leader of Iran gets billions, Mubarak gets prosecuted. Anybody who hates America is a kindred spirit, and any “person of color” or third worlder who doesn’t hate America has not developed the proper class consciousness.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:31 pmBeldar, that petty theft, it sort of makes you wonder, whose side is Trump on?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:32 pmTrump may turn out to be exactly the Judas goat I suspected he was.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:33 pmHey Beldar, since you are so worked up about Melania’s speech, and you think it give the democrats ammo, were you this worked up about Biden plagiarizing a speech? Or that the speech Melania Plagiarized was in turn plagiarized by Michelle Obama from others? Obama plagiarizing?
To take a rather minor and trivial incident and start calling it “amateur hour” or a bunch of other hypebole is just silly. democrats are going to be “orgasmic” if ANYTHING happens to make Trump look bad, even if it is something as simple as his hair being mussed by the wind.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:36 pmAlso perhaps a reason to rethink NeverTrumpism. It makes no difference to my vote, since I’m not in a swing state, so I have the luxury of voting for neither Trump nor Clinton. But for if I lived in, say, Ohio or Florida, I’d have been steeling myself for the unpleasant duty of voting for Clinton, and now I might be rethinking that.
If Clinton wins we know what will happen: 4 years of her lawless misrule. Impeachment will not be an option because no D senator will vote to convict her no matter what she does. Also, it would just give us President Warren, or Castro, or whichever other horror she pulls out of the box in Philadelphia.
But suppose Trump wins, and Pence becomes VP. Don’t you think that Ryan will grab the first opportunity that presents itself to impeach him? And don’t you think that most D senators will vote to convict, and that so will many or most R senators? The prospect of 3 years or more of President Pence might be enough to be willing to consider a year or less of President Trump.
The thing is, I’m sure Trump has considered this scenario, and is planning to fire Pence as soon as he no longer needs him. And that he’ll get a nasty shock when he finds that he can’t do that. Because I’m sure he’s never bothered to read the constitution.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:38 pmHey Beldar, since you are so worked up about Melania’s speech, and you think it give the democrats ammo, were you this worked up about Biden plagiarizing a speech?
Yeah Beldar! How come you aren’t fixating on something that drove Joe Biden out of the Democrat Presidential Primary 28 years ago?
JVW (34f70e) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:40 pmthey’re doing on melania just like how they did on jesus
and she’s all like crucify this you poopers hah
LOVE her
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:46 pmWhereas some ‘worse’ alternatives, like the various Arab socialist republics that have come and gone, directly contribute to problems like ISIS.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:46 pmthey’re doing on melania just like how they did on jesus
I know, huh? And after all the good work she has done healing lepers, making the blind see, and raising people from the dead. It’s just not fair.
JVW (34f70e) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:47 pmso not fair
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:48 pmThe puritanical conservatives have a good point; President Hillary won’t be all that bad.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:50 pmBesides, we can recover from her Supreme Court Justices around the year 2050!
Some Dude, Are you under the impression that Biden got away with it?! It killed his presidential campaign. Why would a Republican get worked up over a Democrat committing suicide?
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:56 pm@ Some Dude (#144), who asked:
You haven’t got a clue, do you?
Was I ever worked up about Biden? I dunno. Maybe. In 2005, for instance, I wrote a long post on my blog entitled “Does Biden’s plagiaristic past preempt his presidential prospects?” Looking back at it, I note that commenters included Patterico and James B. Shearer. My blog had 1135 page views that day, most of them to that post. So let’s say on that day alone I educated over 1000 people about details of Biden’s plagiarism and my reaction to it.
Or did you mean more recently, like, say, yesterday, when I referenced Biden’s plagiarism in comments here?
Good luck in your efforts to paint me as a Hillarybot, Some Dude. I’ve got an online footprint that’s YUUUUUGE, but you’ll find nothing but disdain for her, or Biden, or Obama, or any species of Clinton. You can count the good things I’ve had to say about Democrats in general throughout history on one hand, I suspect.
Do I think it gave the Democrats ammo? Yes. That’s why this is still a trending topic, statistically, all over the net. It’s been dominating the headlines in every media, left to right.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:06 pmJoe Biden was running for President when he engaged in plagiarism.
Is Melania Trump running for President?
Let’s move on, because Hillary Clinton is running for President.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:13 pmIn fact, I made the same exact same argument about Biden’s plagiaristic past in 2005 that I’ve been making about the plagiarism in Mrs. Trump’s speech. It’s the stupidity, not the theft, that matters:
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:17 pm“Ally” is putting it a bit strongly, don’t you think? I can understand a comparable noun with, say, Mubarak, or Mohammed VI, but Ghaddafi?
How much loyalty did the United States owe such a consistently anti-Western and mercurial head of state?
Again, this speaks to the basic problem of competence in such regimes.
Ghaddafi raped his own ministers and bodyguards and reordered Libyan civil society to suit his own personal whims. He was a deliberate sponsor of movements which sought to destabilise longtime US allies on the African continent and the wider Middle East. He fired missiles at Lampedusa in a fit of pique.
Closer to my neck of the woods, he insisted on a €5 billion payment from the EU to help stem the flow of migrants.
Such things are not the font of a “stable” polity or a consistently harmonious geopolitical relationship.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:17 pmso un fair
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:18 pmCS (#154), I take your point, but that’s not gonna happen. Both candidates will get talked about, not just Hillary. And this week, it’s the GOP convention.
Do “Let’s move on” arguments ever actually persuade anyone? I’ve had poor success with them, myself, in other contexts.
I know all the reasons why I hate the Clintons. It’s boring to contemplate anymore. But watching the clown car campaign Trump’s running is something impossible to look away from, horribly compelling and sickening, but rich in black humor.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:19 pmHe was a deliberate sponsor of movements which sought to destabilise longtime US allies on the African continent and the wider Middle East
Well he must have had a case of the slows. Hillary got impatient waiting for him.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:21 pm@127.”…. It’s just mind-boggling.”
And more. It’s incompetence. Especially as The Great White Dope campaign had spinners out denying plagiarism as late as the July 20 morning shows. It’s the kind of image-over-substance management style that’ll ‘make America “great” again’ — on TV.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:25 pmAnd to be absolutely clear today (because I’ve said it yesterday in comments on other posts): Sure, Mrs. Trump isn’t running herself. And I don’t blame Melania Trump for this. Any candidate’s spouse deserves better guidance than she obviously got in this whole process. The biggest qualm I have about her role in all this is that she admires Michelle Obama. (Not a surprise, but: Sad!)
I hold the campaign responsible for this, and in particular, the man at the top of the campaign, because it was damned important and he nevertheless let this unforced, completely preventable blunder damage the GOP.
This will indeed have receded into the general noise of the campaign by next week, and be mostly forgotten by the one after.
But what an amazing gift to Hillary Clinton! It may have been Melania reading Michelle Obama’s banal prose, but it was Trump who was stomping on his own sword here.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:26 pmJP @156, no one will argue with you. Gaddaffi was not a good guy. But he was at least not actively hostile.
There is a saying in that part of the world. The lion keeps the wolves away. We got rid of the lion, now we have to deal with the wolves.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:26 pmIt’s even tougher to murder your own people when the head of your “national” army defects to the opposition.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:27 pmBeldar,
It’s the fog of war.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:29 pmOur clown car has to triumph over their Alinsky car.
They intend to fight until the referee blows the final whistle. But they’re hoping that our team will have enough fragile people crack up from frustration and moral equivalency who just throw their hands up in the air.
I’ve only watched a couple of minutes of the convention, actually. But I did manage to catch the New York delegation, and it brought tears to my eyes to watch Donald Trump, Jr. read out the results that actually clinched the GOP nomination for his dad.
Tears because Donald Trump, Jr. is a registered Democrat.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:34 pmNo matter who was first lady in waiting. Imagine the beating Mr. Trump saved Heidi had Ted went on to lose against Hillary.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:37 pm#160 DSCSA,
Like a typical left wing MSM’er, you spend too much time worrying about speeches by potential First Ladies and not enough time focusing on the important matters such as transgender bathrooms at Target stores or ‘safe spaces’ at Ivy League universities.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:38 pmNo matter who was married to the nominee. No matter what they did or didn’t do.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:39 pmOff topic, but tip of the hat to the NASA that was, today, July 20. 47 years ago this afternoon Apollo 11’s Eagle touched down on the southwest corner of Luna’s Sea of Tranquility.
The first manned lunar landing remains the pinnacle of the American century– and it has been down hill for the USA ever since.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:40 pmAgree that the extent of the bombing campaign against Ghaddafi loyalists was, shall we say, of dubious legitimacy under international law.
On the other hand, the fact that Ghaddafi had such a serious rebellion on his hands is rather revealing, and self-inflicted segregation of the Libyan armed forces spelled trouble for the prospects of ultimate victory against restive communities.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:41 pmTears because Donald Trump, Jr. is a registered Democrat.
I’ll give a guy who lives in NYC a pass on being a registered Democrat. I grew up in a town that was heavily Democrat and my dad always registered with them in order to vote in their primaries even though he never voted for their candidates on the state or national level. And we learned a couple months back that most of the GOP Presidential candidate’s family weren’t with-it enough to change their registration before the NY deadline.
The real sad thing will be in 2020 when Junior will serve as a Democrat Convention delegate to New York when Her Clintonic Majesty is being nominated for her second term. We’ll be treated to all the stories about how he has “seen the light” and can no longer stand being associated with those awful bigoted Republicans. All will be forgiven and Anderson Cooper will do a fawning interview with him.
JVW (34f70e) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:41 pmI know you aren’t using the term the same way Clinton is. Nobody does. It wasn’t any “fog of war.” It was the smokescreen of CYA.
If the fog of war exists, it’s during the action. And yes it does exist. Then. Yet then, these people operated as if they had complete certainty. It was already too late, nothing could be done.
Only later did they develop any confusion.
Why are we falling for this?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:41 pmMany of you have too much time on your hands and/or have been so dumbed down by mainstream media you think this Melania business is really important.
But I’m sure the libtards will cite this as reason Trump should not be president.
At the Dem convention I’m sure Hillary will make some jokes about Melania plagiarizing the Wookie.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:46 pmBicurious, Pts. Did I say something to convince you I thought this fuss over Melania Trump was serious?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:51 pmSteve 57,
The fog of war I’m referring to is the fog which has clouded Melania’s speech. Nobody seems to know who wrote it or who re-wrote it or what’s going on.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:52 pmNonetheless, we must soldier on and defeat the Alinskyites.
When a football team is down by two touchdowns at halftime, it does no good to argue in the lockerroom about who missed an assignment during the third minute of the first quarter.
Let’s move on and make up for past mistakes by making some plays happen in the second half.
Also the bicurious thing was intended as a joke.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:52 pmthe rebellion began with the uprising at ali salem prison, the counterpart to sednaya in syria, where most the islamists like the future benghazi ringman abu khattalah was serving time, libya is bisected by tribal loyalties, like many arab states, benghazi likes in the old province of cyrenaica, which literally was like a whole other country, joined together under un trusteeship in 1953, this is I learned from an old hitchens book about imperial entanglements,
buccaneer morgan (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:53 pmCan’t let the Benghazi thing go, CS.
It is perhaps a personal failing on my part.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:54 pmDon’t know why, but this epigram reminds me of a line from King of the Hill…
Junie Harper: The complacency of fools will destroy them. Proverbs.
Hank: Get out of my house. Exodus.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:54 pmInteresting the phrase comes from numbers 30:2, however it was used in a whole nother context,
https://www.thewordisbond.com/food-4-thought-word-is-bond/
buccaneer morgan (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:56 pmThen there was the Iranian capture of the two riverine command boats.
I can’t let that go either. I know I’m coming across as some geriatric “kids today” and “get off my lawn” but we used to know how to operate in the Gulf. WTF happend?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:57 pmY’all know about memeorandum and its nonpartisan algorithms that determine what’s trending and being talked about on the net, right?
As of this moment, out of the top 13 items listed, I still count six separate threads, each with dozens of linking articles and blog posts.
That’s almost two days after her speech.
I know y’all want to pretend that this is trivial, Trumpkins. But like it or not, it’s getting traction still. The only thing trivial about it is that it would have been trivially easy for any competent campaign to have avoided.
Trump appears to be the kind of guy who could screw-up a one-car funeral procession, doesn’t he?
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:59 pmback in the early 19th century, this behavior was a pretext for war, but our new ally which still gives sanctuary to aq, which the treasury department reluctantly acknowledged,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:59 pmAnd more. It’s incompetence. Especially as The Great White Dope campaign had spinners out denying plagiarism as late as the July 20 morning shows. It’s the kind of image-over-substance management style that’ll ‘make America “great” again’ — on TV.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 3:25 pm
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But is it criminality and is it a grift?
IYKWISAITYD
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:03 pmit’s getting traction because memeorandum is the (redacted) of the journolist, and the foolish people who should know better, like those who have ignored two days worth of speeches on what the hell is going on this country and this world. we have cops falling like ninepins, we have terrorists waging war on every front, we have the manifest result of the corruption of the clinton foundation, written in blood and tears on three continents, get a grip,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:04 pmThey will be selecting the next president.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:06 pmNot to mention the alleged Iranian attempt on Adel al-Jubeir.
JP (c6e8e1) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:07 pm#169 DCSCA,
You really don’t like America, huh?
I bet an old buzzard like you would prefer to retire to Cuba. That’s a country you can be proud of. Not only is their space program top-notch, but their refugees build the most sea-worthy make-shift rafts that have ever made it successfully to Florida.
You don’t see refugees from the Islamic Republic of Iran coming here successfully in rafts like that, do you? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:10 pmBut they stole them. That’s not in dispute anymore.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 2:28 pm
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If you want to go down THAT road, Mrs. Obama appropriates my culture every day she walks the planet. Every. Single. Day. I’d call it grand theft, but I won’t out of respect for my English grandmother – Birmingham born – she’d think it not “grand” but the work of a thieving buggerer.
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:10 pm@184.
There once was a bitch named Melania;
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:13 pmWho learned plagiarism in Slovinia;
It’s her figure they’ll oogle;
Her words they won’t Google;
That she swiped;
From the wife;
Of the President from Kenya.
Steve 57
It wasn’t aimed at you… just a shot across the bow of the typical lib who chase the shiny objects the Dems dangle.
If it wasn’t Melania, it would’ve been some other distraction to keep the media chasing rabbits.
Hillary is one of the original radicals and this Melania stuff was straight out of the play book.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:15 pm@189- Hoisting a warm pint to your Granny Briton. Damn, I do admire the British so.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:20 pmWhy lie about something like this? They are people who would lie even if telling the truth was more convenient.
One might respond that Hillary’s spouse famously lies too. And yes he does. How many times have the Clintons or some other democrat been caught being dishonest, and the media gives them a pass, yelling ‘squirrel’ and pointing to some bad thing Team R did? Giving politicians cover because they are on some reporter’s side is a form of corruption.
Those who say both Trump and Hillary are awful, but they have decided Trump is the lesser evil aren’t being themselves dishonest. Those who pretend the lies coming from the Trumps are no big deal, because they are frenzied partisans, are themselves dishonest and they are responsible for the low standards we have today.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:21 pmIt’s getting traction because Trump is now the candidate. The MFM achieved their initial objective of building up the huckster and can now proceed to the primary objective of destroying any possibility of his success.
The Master Persuader will provide all the ammunition necessary.
Every damned day.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:22 pmSteve 57,
I can’t let the Benghazi thing go, either.
It’s NOT a failing on your part, rather, it’s a testament that you are a patriot who keeps his eye on the ball.
I don’t like Trump anymore than you do, but we all just gotta pinch our noses and wear a Groucho Marx disguise (if we feel we must) when voting on Tuesday in early November.
If Hillary becomes President, there will be more Benghazis.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:22 pmYou forgot the “LH” for leg humping. Do try to do better in the future.
Consider this your non-permanent letter of reprimand. It will be eliminated from your file should there be no future infraction.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:25 pmthat something is trending by algorithm, has nothing with it’s veracity, nice happened a week ago, and that story has gone down the memory hole, except for those paying attention,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:29 pmIt’s getting traction because Trump is now the candidate. The MFM achieved their initial objective of building up the huckster and can now proceed to the primary objective of destroying any possibility of his success.
+1
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:30 pmCS @195, I consider what happened with the riverine command boats in many ways just as bad. And then Kerry thanked the Iranians.
I was ill.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:30 pmyes, it is a great loss of face, except for the mountebanks who have no face to show,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:32 pmCS @195, I realize how I can come across. Like I’m the only man who served this country.
It is not my intention. I served with a lot better men than me and I remain in awe.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:34 pmI also served with better women, in case there is a question.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:36 pmher pre qualification seems to be propensity to commit felony,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/labor-sec-tom-perez-used-personal-email-account-to-leak-info-to-planned-parenthood-new-york-times/
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:40 pmWhy Barry Atkins doesn’t have a ship named after him and Cesar Chavez and Congressmen Murtha do I’ll never know.
Oh, wait one, yes.
Yes I do.
http://www.nysun.com/obituaries/barry-atkins-94-heroic-world-war-ii-admiral/23329/
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:41 pmwow, that’s a remarkable feat, probably will be featured in hornfischer’s latest, due out in october,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:45 pmSteve 57,
I don’t think you come across as the only guy who served our country.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:47 pmYou spend a lot of time linking to the stories of men who sacrificed, particularly during the Pacific theatre of WW2.
As for the riverine boats, I think John Forbes Kerry is much more interested in soliciting “international applause” than he is in serving American interests.
+2
Trump’s ‘strength’ was that he was good enough to fool enough of y’all, and bad enough that the media could tear him down. Mccain’s fingernails are better leaders than Trump, but he shared that characteristic.
That’s why some of y’all need to stop getting so bent out of shape when I call a spade a spade. It’s not like anything said here is going to make any difference. The fix is in.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:49 pmHe ain’t in no ways tahred, y’all…
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:52 pmLurch is a lily livered pollcat, and that’s insulting respectable pollcats, he carried the enemies water in Indochina, Central America, and the Middle East.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 4:54 pm“That’s why some of y’all need to stop getting so bent out of shape when I call a spade a spade.”
Racisty racist! I hereby tender my resignation. I cannot be a member of a blog that would allow a racist to post!
Colonel Haiku (49aad2) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:00 pmthey’ll probably come across the border as honduran or pananamian, or something,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698818/Did-ISIS-axe-attacker-LIE-Afghanistan-Claims-train-jihadi-hid-Pakistani-background-higher-immigration-status-Germany.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:01 pmthe late show did a funny take on it. you can find it on the internet.
karl (e2ad2c) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:14 pmnarciso, hornfischer mentioned it in an earlier work.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:29 pm“Last Stand of of the Tin Can Sailors.”
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:29 pmWow!
Charles C. Johnson, a private reporter, was just assaulted by Michelle Fields’ boyfriend, Jamie Weinstein, a senior writer for The Daily Caller.
There is an irony there. I thought it was wrong to rough up the press when they approach someone to ask a question? In this case, though, I don’t believe the Secret Service had ever warned Johnson not to approach too closely to Weinstein.
Weinstein may get charged over this. The facts appear clear.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:31 pm@ steve57 (#204): What, you don’t think the officers and crew of DDG-120 are deeply inspired by the military record of Carl M. Levin?
Oh, that’s right. He was never in the military. He was just a progressive Democrat who consistently opposed and shortchanged the military for decades. Yeah, that’s a good reason to name a destroyer after him, right?
Does the Navy still have garbage scows? ‘Cause if living politicians are fair game ….
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:31 pmdid it, I have to read again then, you think of the takedown of the Yamato, but that was something else altogether,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:31 pmhttp://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/article_7392645c-c3aa-11e2-8863-0019bb2963f4.html
I had the honor and privilege of talking to Bill Campbell once.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:32 pmI could be wrong, narciso. I read a lot.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:33 pmLaura nailed it. Next press secretary?
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:34 pmBruised egos make me smile.
Emphasis added. It didn’t actually work that well. The Japanese were good at what they did. Never, ever underestimate your enemy. Always assume they are at least as good as they think they are. Assume they are better. Obama violated rule one when he called ISIS the JV team.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:44 pm@188. Perhaps you should take it up with another old buzzard, who truly earned her wings, retired shuttle astronaut Eileen Collins, who just finished highlighting Apollo 11 to the convention.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:47 pmwho has the good radar is Mr. Trump
hot diggety pancakes!
let’s savor all the goodness
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:50 pmBeldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:31 pm, I would rather hit myself in the face with a shovel.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:52 pmhappyfeet,
What do you think of allegedly assaulted reporter Michelle Fields’ reporter-boyfriend assaulting a reporter on the street?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:55 pmhttp://www.hullnumber.com/
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:55 pmi abjure this hyper-aggressive and trashy behavior Mr. Guy
but this is who they are
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:56 pmRepublicans!
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:57 pmDenver guy, maybe I am a jerk. But if your state GOP party doesn’t have a binding primary I think that is on you.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:59 pmI think carl levin was the kind of weasel, the late vince flynn intended as a character in first book, term limits,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:01 pmAlso I thing Halsey was a unmentionable when he relieved Captain Hoover of Helena of command.
As long as I am getting things off my chest.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:03 pmWe’re talking about the violence of Michelle Fields’ boyfriend now, Steve, in attacking a reporter.
I certainly agree that the Colorado GOP sucks.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:03 pmBecause later Nimitz didn’t relieve Halsey for doing worse.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:04 pmSorry Denver Guy I didn’t get the email.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:05 pmIt’s a few comments up. Here’s the link.
Anyway, there’s certainly irony there. This is at least as serious as they other “assault.”
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:08 pmI see and appreciate the irony.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:14 pmFor a minute there, I thought Jonah Goldberg wised up and was fulfilling his initiation.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:23 pmhttp://www.usssandiego.org/Unbeatable.htm
There were Japanese aviators who, if they lived, and made it back to their carriers, couldn’t speak after encounter what they called the “machine gun cruisers.”
But technically the AA cruisers were CLAAs. The light cruisers, the CLs, had six inch guns and were just as vicious. Just in a different way.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:32 pmhttp://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/cruisers/history/cruiser-jpg/cl48-honolulu.jpg
After the battle of Kula Gulf.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:38 pmLT Ramsey.
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/%E2%80%9Ccharge%E2%80%9D-philippine-scouts-and-the-last-horse-cavalry-charge-of-the-u-s-army/
Never let it be said I am unappreciative of the other services.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:44 pmDear Milhouse, who says, “152.Some Dude, Are you under the impression that Biden got away with it?! It killed his presidential campaign. Why would a Republican get worked up over a Democrat committing suicide?”
He DID get away with it. He’s the current VP.
And Melania isn’t running for office.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:36 amDear Beldar, at 153: well, good for you.
But Melania is not running for office. Neither was Michelle Obama when she gave a plagiarized speech, and it didn’t hurt B. Hussein Obama.
Some Dude (53806b) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:38 amUm, no, he didn’t get away with it. It killed his presidential campaign dead, and even 20 years later when he tried again it killed him again.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:19 pm