Chaos on GOP Convention Floor as Rules Are Steamrolled to Protect Trump
Allahpundit has the full rundown here.
Here’s the short version: Fuck the rules, we want no embarrassment for Trump.
Here’s the longer version, which is a summary of Allahpundit’s post. It’s the first draft of history, so some details may not survive the test of time. But the basic narrative seems clear in broad strokes: the GOP is acting like the ruling party in a banana republic.
Anti-Trumpers tried to push through a rule in the Rules Committee clarifying that delegates are free to vote their conscience. This failed, and the committee reported out rules that say delegates are not free to vote their conscience.
But the rules proposed by the Rules Committee take effect only when all delegates vote on them and pass them. This typically is an affirmation by universal acclaim in a voice vote. As Allahpundit says: “Normally that’s done quickly and painlessly via a voice vote — unless a petition signed by a majority of delegates from seven states insists on a full roll call vote, which could take hours.” They had a majority from nine states — plenty enough to force a roll call vote.
But the petition has to be delivered to the secretary, who ran around trying not to be found, even hiding behind a curtain with armed guards protecting her from the offending petition. Meanwhile, there have been reports of pro-Trump delegates threatening the lives of anti-Trump delegates.
Finally, the chaos we see in this video happened, when the petition, which appeared to be in regular order, was ignored. And a voice vote was called for:
The people screaming “No!” and “Stop!” are trying to get the rules enforced. They are being ignored by people hellbent on avoiding any embarrassment for Trump.
The voice vote “passed.” What is the State Story on why the petition was ignored? Supposedly three of the nine states pulled out. Allahpundit says: “Which three state delegations were bullied by Trump’s rigged-system GOP into dropping their support for the petition? In true Soviet fashion, the chair didn’t say.”
I have never been so glad to be out of this party. It is now completely run by fascists who don’t give a second thought to actually following rules, if those rules get in the way of what they want to do.
Utter chaos. How does one man destroy a whole party? Because that’s what we’re watching.
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:04 pmso much drama
omg i can’t believe how much drama
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:08 pmomg it’s like the most drama
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:09 pmhold me
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:09 pmharvardtrashy ben sassy say
“I mean really“
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:10 pmwhen it all falls when it all falls down
we be 2 souls in a ghosttown
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:13 pm@1. Regardless of your politics, it truly is incredible to witness. Generational if not once in a lifetime. But even more perplexing is how he has been allowed to get away with it– so far, with relative ease. The ‘powers that be’ were pretty weak.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:13 pmi’m down wit ptb yeah u know me
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:15 pmLove it!
mg (31009b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:17 pmCrybabies galore. These republican hacks have did nothing in 8 years to stop obama, blame Trump. ignorance is bliss.
Wait until President Hillary steamrolls the rules beginning next January.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:18 pmI haven’t watched the entire day, but it seems pretty calm to me.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:21 pmRe this, from our esteemed host’s post:
I respectfully dissent.
I certainly won’t defend anything Trump’s done or is doing regarding the convention. I think he’s screwing the pooch with both hands, and that his nomination will be a catastrophe that will lead to an electoral college wipeout and, worse, probably loss of the House in addition to the Senate.
But I think it’s inaccurate to presume that Trump and his Trumpkins now “completely run” the GOP. They certainly don’t run the Texas GOP, for example. And the Texas GOP still holds every state-wide elected office in the nation’s second most populous state. Greg Abbott is no fascist. And I’m still rather fond of our junior U.S. senator from Texas, who continues to self-identify as a Republican.
Your perspective might be skewed by the fact that you live in California, where the GOP state party organization is feeble and very nearly irrelevant. Perhaps that causes you to only value the national organization, because it’s the only part that’s directly relevant to you and your life.
I might begin to agree with your assessment about the party at its national level if I saw Trump actively making efforts to consolidate the anti-Trump elements in the party. He isn’t. It’s not in his nature. He’s petty, vindictive, and egotistical, and if he can be president he couldn’t possibly care less about the rest of the party — running it, influencing it, whatever.
So this convention is a travesty. But it’s a one-off unless and until Trump actually does something more to “take over the GOP” than merely clinching its presidential nomination in one cycle.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:22 pmYep, CS, like comparing a hangnail to a double amputation.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:22 pmWe aren’t watching Trump destroy the party, though. He’s just brought the rot to the surface. What happened today is almost exactly the 2012 DNC fiasco where Villaraigosa pretended to hear “aye” instead of “nay” 3 times. It just shows our our party is staffed by people of similar character.
Eliot (156d0f) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:23 pmHmm. Ended with a sentence fragment. Trying again:
So this convention is a travesty. But it’s a one-off unless and until Trump actually does something more to “take over the GOP” than merely clinching its presidential nomination in one cycle, I’m not willing to write off the entire party.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:23 pmThis is an out and out violation of the rules, comparable to when the Democratic Partry prevented an anti-Israel plank in 2012 from being added to its platform by miscalling the results of a voice vote. Maybe the vote in Congress to extend he draft in 1940 was a little like that./
You wonder that if the chair can do that, can’t the chair then give the nomination tosomebody else?
When things like that happen, you don’t really have a functioning self-governing organziatiom It’s more like the Communist party.
And the thing is, Paul Manafort didn’t have to do this. The votewould probably have lost.
I saw something on TV about chaos but didn’t see what the str=ory was.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:44 pmyes yes it’s the most travesty one evar
george will’s bowtie abjures it and also his fat wife is decidedly none too fond
YIKES!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:45 pmI was hoping to see the walk out.
No matter when you slice it the ayes have it.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:48 pmBut I really want to see the ethanol lobby walk.
i’ve given it no small thought and I decided that *bow tie* should be two words
no portmanteau, this
you got a bow
you got a tie
and – voilà – there’s george will, impotently lollygagging aboot
ladies and gentleman i give you
failmerica.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:49 pmethanol lobby strut you mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:50 pmso they walked out on paranto and zeist, and luttrell, and pat smith, tell me winning the future to do they stand for,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:51 pmparliamentary motions are supposed to be about something real underlying perhaps not,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:53 pmTom Cotton had the will to say Trump Pence.
mg (31009b) — 7/18/2016 @ 6:54 pmPerhaps someone could explain this to me, because it seems to me we’re missing a big point here. The delegates are representatives of the voters in their state, correct? Each state establishes a way to nominate delegates based on a polling of their voters. The voters, then, have decided who they want their delegates to vote for, and send their delegates to the convention to do so.
They didn’t authorize the delegates to go “vote their conscious.” Aren’t the people who want delegates to be unbound thwarting the will of the electorate? Aren’t they doing exactly what conservatives like me have complained about for decades – ignoring my decision and instead voting based on their own personal opinions?
I’m not a Trump voter, but I am an anti-Hillary voter, so I definitely want the best candidate we can field. I honestly don’t think that is Trump. But dammit, that is who the majority chose and we are stuck with him. If we are going to play technical games with the f’ing rules to override the voters, well, then count me out and good luck on your own.
Gregg (ce27ed) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:04 pmharvardtrash ted
who was emphatically rejected by the primary voters
would almost automatically win the general election if the Angels On High would but smile on ken cuccinelli’s maladroit efforts to nominate mitt romney in this year of our mormon jesus 2016
so don’t get lippy Mr. Gregg
you obviously haven’t thought this through
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:13 pmThe Colorado GOP party is scum.
We won’t win CO so it doesn’t matter. We’ll win MI and thus the ball game.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:15 pmoh you don’t know the half of it, they waited till the nomination, and stuck a chiv in mcmillan, forcing the grassroots to pick another much more flawed candidate, maes,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:19 pmOh, I’ve thought it through. We’ll most likely lose with Trump. But it we try to win by cheating, we’re no better than the ones we want to beat. And in the process, we’ll further erode the trust between the voters and the party.
Gregg (ce27ed) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:20 pmi love a reigny trump
i love a reigny trump
i love to hear the thunder
see the lightning
as it lights up the sky
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:32 pmThe GOP has always been a disturbing party. From the onset, when the desperation to end cruelty to slaves was accomplished by destroying federalism. Worth it, but costly. Since then the GOP has never known what it stood for. Nixon and Obama would understand eachother. Trump and Hillary are ideologically and ethically the same, in their hearts.
Trump fans like to crow and they especially like to put Cruz and his supporters down. That’s what this primary is about. Stomping on the best chance conservatism has had in a long time. Ha Ha Ha.
The only thing that matters to the GOP is winning, which is why they are unfit to lead. Unfortunately the democrats are just as bad (usually slightly worse). This round, I don’t think the democrats are worse. If Trump won, it’s at least eight years until we can have a good president. And those delegates getting threatened… I bet they will feel the full weight of an even more corrupt bureaucracy.
I don’t think there is a right way to vote this time. Every vote is wrong.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:32 pmEmphatically? I think the voters rejected Jeb emphatically, but I’d hardly call what happened to Cruz an emphatic rejection. But hey, you’re on a roll tonight, so carry on happyfeet.
Sean (221079) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:35 pmwe could not exist a nation have in bondage and half free, seventy five years of jim crow, taught us that,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:35 pmThe ‘rough and tumble world’ of fashion? Hmmmm.
Melania sounds like she just walked off the set of ‘Green Acres.’ “Dahling I luv hugh but gimme Park Avenue.” Next speaker, Arnold the Pig.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:37 pmHow about some chaos on Hillary Clinton’s email server?
Hillary Clinton vs. Spicy boy
iFunny, 4chan, and Reddit, urge their readers to instagram Hillary the words “Spicy Boi”.
(YouTube) – I advise mute.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:37 pmGregg,
The circus is in town and they’re using a Pro Wrestling Tonight!! theme coupled with the type of clown act which can be expected from a two bit hustler with empty pockets and no organization whatsoever.
Just think of it as an interminable amateur hour production without script or choreography.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:39 pmCatching a little of the actual show…
Rudy Giuliani shows his age and his battle with cancer. A lot of pauses, not very smooth. But man, the crowd is hot for him.
Melania is a little halting and not very good at figuring out when the crowd is going to go wild. so she doesn’t quite know where to pause and when. But the crowd is still hot.
Ingot (1de9ec) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:42 pmyou can tell he was rejected by how not the nominee he is
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:43 pmMELANIA SPEECH IN A NUTSHELL:
“NEW YORK IS WHERE I’D RATHER STAY;
DCSCA (a343d5) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:45 pmI GET ALLERGIC SMELLING HAY;
I JUST ADORE A PENTHOUSE VIEW;
DAHLINGS, I LOVE YA,
BUT GIMMIE PARK AVENUE.”
yes, murder, terrorism, betrayal, it’s more like a whole season of game of thrones or house of cards,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:47 pmGregg,
I agree that the party shoots itself in the foot if it ignores the voters. But the party has its own rules for how to handle such disputes, and they are not following them.
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:47 pm“Utter chaos. How does one man destroy a whole party? Because that’s what we’re watching.
Linda Schell (5d50cd) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:51 pmPatterico”
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Oh, get over it, you hysterical hyperbolic drama queen. Trump won.
Now, get back to licking stamps for Hillary.
The charitable explanation is that the RNC is resigned to Trump as the nominee and is trying to make the best of a bad situation.
nk (dbc370) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:52 pmThe likely explanation is that it does not know whether to s*** or go blind.
I’d vote for Mr. Douglas over Hillary.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:53 pmTrumpkinism:
— What qualifies Trump to be President?
— Hillary!
nk: Bite me, bitches!
nk (dbc370) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:54 pmBeldar, the final sentence of your post #12 is quite correct. It isn’t a sentence fragment at all.
On the other hand, the “corrected” version in #15 is a run-on.
gwjd (032bef) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:56 pm“Utter chaos. How does one man destroy a whole party? Because that’s what we’re watching.
Patterico”
Well, if he’s so good he can single handedly destroy the GOP, then surely he ought to be President.
Fred Z (9ed538) — 7/18/2016 @ 7:58 pm‘his name is a killing word’
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:02 pmSo he can destroy the country too?
Can we form a country where Trump is in charge and you are the ruled and I can be left out of it? That way he can destroy your country but not mine. Yeah that sounds good.
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:03 pmI left the GOP the day after the CA primary.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:15 pmSeems like we’ve all seen tonight’s list of speakers before, cast in a 1970’s disaster movie… ‘The Hindenburg.’
That must be the Hollywood hype The Great White Dope was trumpeting.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:16 pmBill McGurn makes the case: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-case-for-donald-trump-1468884328
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:21 pmBeldar–
There is no coming back from this. The BEST case scenario* is that Trump wins. If Hillary wins, and takes Congress, there will not be another GOP President in my lifetime. They will make it a one-party state, and the judges will make it so it won’t matter anyway. MAYBE Texas can secede and you’ll have a way out. I doubt it though.
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Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:22 pm*Actually, there is one better scenario, left as an exercise for the reader.
I haven’t watched a second of it, but I’m curious about one thing. Any people parading around with guns? Besides security guards and police — I mean protesters and spectators and other attendees.
nk (dbc370) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:23 pmsometimes things have to be said plainly, if rather bluntly,
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7558/trump-advisor-gen-mike-flynn-americans-do-not-feel-joshua-yasmeh
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:24 pm“The GOP has always been a disturbing party.”
Wow… just wow.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:25 pmCan we form a country where Trump is in charge and you are the ruled and I can be left out of it?
Trump won because he was popular in New England. Reminds me of this ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-VPzUazQVY
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:26 pmNow, get back to licking stamps for Hillary.
Every time I start thinking I might find a way to vote for Trump, some [expletive deleted] comes along like this are reminds me why I can’t.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:31 pm@ gwjd (#44), you’re right on both counts. I mis-read my own earlier comment when re-reading it. Thank you, although I now blush twice as much.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:32 pmI’d vote for Mr. Douglas over Hillary
I’d vote for Mr. Ed over Hillary, but I’m still having problems with Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:32 pmWatching Melania I realize I did not cruise correctly for the foxes…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:33 pmWatching Melania I realize I did not cruise correctly for the foxes…
No. You forgot to have million dollar bills dribbling out of your pockets.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:40 pmSame here, Kevin.
For chrissakes, a nation of about 320 million people, and these two grifters (Trump and Clinton) are the best we could do? Really?
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:43 pmthey will never get over macho grande, it’s possible the immigrations restrictions instituted in 1924, could retroactively be illconsidered,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 8:44 pm#54 Colonel Haiku,
In a past life, he was probably the Mayor of Salem, MA. (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:04 pmI hate these people.
Hate.
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:05 pmGo ahead. Click the YouTube link. Read the transcript, taken from Michelle Obama in 2008.
You people are being. played.
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:06 pmWere you talking? All I heard was yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap
Patterico (5c77c6) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:07 pmSo Rudy Giuliani is in on it and everything!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:10 pmSeems to me that this “rigged” sort of rule set has been around the political seascape for decades. It’s a shame that it’s now illegal because some of the wrong oxen got gored. Grow up, people, grow up. You sound like the “Gore won” crowd.
{^_^}
JDow (199dc0) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:12 pm“Fair enough to argue that Mr. Trump represents a huge risk. But honesty requires that this risk be weighed against a clear-eyed look at the certainties a Hillary Clinton administration would bring.”
— Bill McGurn
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:13 pmConvention delegates are supposed to exercise their own judgment just as congressmen are. You elect a congressman to consider each matter and decide for himself how to vote. He is entitled to vote as he wishes even if he knows that 100% of his constituents disagree. In fact he is obliged to vote in the national interest, even against the interests of his consitutents.
And it’s really not the electorate’s business whom a political party nominates for public office. The purpose of primaries is to consult the public, to get an idea of public opinion as guidance, not to let the public dictate to the party what it should do.
Further, no convention has rules until they are adopted. So nobody could have promised primary voters that their will would be carried out; any such promise could only have been hedged with an implied condition: “Assuming that the convention adopts such a rule”. Nothing obliges it to do so.
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:30 pmExactly like 4 years ago when the DNC ignored their anti-God communists who demanded denouncing God as an official Democrat platform and the DNC ignored it and pretended they supported God in a voice vote.
We live in a banana republic.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 7/18/2016 @ 9:58 pmIs there any evidence Trump was involved? I doubt it. And I doubt the party organizers care about embarrassing Trump. I think they just didn’t want to waste several hours doing a role-call vote when everyone knew the outcome in advance. And I have limited sympathy for those who were so outraged and the violation of the rules that prevented them from having their say about wanting to violate the rules.
Cugel (97358c) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:07 pmAnd no I am no I am not making this up, Chest puller told the skipper of MonssenKnboi
he wouldn’t trade jobs for anything. Because if he, Puller got hit he’d know
where he was.
Chesty Puller was not wrong about much.
http://www.landfallnavigation.com/kcnb.html
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:14 pmUSS Monssen. Jeezus.
His name was Smoot. Roland Smoot.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:25 pmhttp://destroyerhistory.org/benson-gleavesclass/ussmonssen/
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:26 pmhttp://www.uboat.net/allies/commanders/3944.html
Ship Rank Type From To
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:38 pmUSS Aulick (i) (DD 258) Destroyer 18 Jun 1939 9 Oct 1940
USS Monssen (i) (DD 436) Destroyer 14 Mar 1941 28 Oct 1942
I will never have such an entry.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:39 pmWhat rules did they want to violate? There were no rules at that point. The rules hadn’t yet been adopted. They wanted to change the proposed rules; how is that illegitimate?
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/18/2016 @ 10:53 pmThere is a possibility, however remote, that she was sabotaged by Never Trumpers. I’m not saying that’s likely, but since we don’t know what happened, it’s a good idea to not jump to conclusions.
It will be really interesting to find out if she did this on her own. It seems unlikely she would have done it on purpose, but she may have watched first lady speeches and did it without intending to. When I’ve taken college English classes, they’ve warned us about unintentionally incorporating material this way, based on heavy research before writing a particular assignment. It can happen.
Likewise, it could have happened that way for her speechwriter(s), but terribly unprofessional of them if so.
This will be a headline tomorrow and that sucks. It is what it is.
It seems hard to imagine that speechwriters or Mrs. Trump would have done this intentionally with the world watching them. If so, well, they deserve the criticism they will get. But let’s not jump to a firm conclusion yet.
We can do that in a day or too when more facts are known.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/18/2016 @ 11:44 pmOops, wrong thread. I’ll repost it.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/18/2016 @ 11:45 pmSo the group that wants to change the rules AFTER the people of the country have voted, want the rules to be followed.
Mike S (89ec89) — 7/19/2016 @ 6:03 amhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/18/nevertrump-agents-sore-losers/
heh
spokanebob (6797b5) — 7/19/2016 @ 6:06 amThat plagiarism of Michelle Obama really makes one wonder about Trump. The con man always has to embed little clues under the noses of the conned.
SPQR (a3a747) — 7/19/2016 @ 6:38 amOne Trump delegate likened the ragtag Never Trump forces, many of them hungry and barefoot from their fruitless pursuit of faithless delegates, to the Japanese stragglers in the South Pacific jungles who held their hopes close for decades after all the armies had gone home.
One commenter here, that would be me, likened Melania Trump to a Milan streetwalker.
Heh!
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 6:45 amMisogyny teh Chicago Way…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/19/2016 @ 6:55 amMisoharlotry.
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:02 amMisostrumpetry?
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:03 amMisotrollopy?
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:04 am#84 I understand you are more partial to women of the wookie body type stuffed into a pair of pantsuits
spokanebob (1aaf2a) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:05 amMisoporny would be suitable, in view of the GQ photo spread, but there seems to be an internet porn site which calls itself that.
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:05 amWhy on earth would you do that?
Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:08 amThis is why we can’t have nice things coronello, and we will get the wrong lizard.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:13 amNarciso several posts upthread just confirmed Trump as Cafone candidate. (As did full throat support by Baio and Sabato).
urbanleftbehind (c3af4f) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:14 amMore like the Grimace body type, but likely Wookie grooming.
urbanleftbehind (c3af4f) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:15 amI don’t know what that means, but he takes a fair but from silvio’s playbook. Seriously you have the attention of a ferret on double espresso.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:19 amWhy on earth would you do that?
Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:08 am
Ok, Hoagie. She married Trump for love.
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:25 amEvery First Lady had a pornographic photo shoot in a men’s magazine (although in the case of GQ it’s using the word “men’s” very loosely.
nk (dbc370) — 7/19/2016 @ 7:28 amIts funny the pro-Trump people here being okay with what happened, and insulting those who opposed. Probably because they do not know the facts, as usual.
Almost certainly the roll call vote would have gone in Trumps favor. It would have been good actually- show the party vote for Trump. The noes most likely had the voice vote- but even if not, it was a enough to do a roll call vote as required by the rules. Instead, Trump with the help of the GOP establishment (the same establishment that Trump and his Trumpalos railed against) ignored the rules and rammed the results down the delegates throats.
Note that this wasn’t just the binding and conscious clauses. There were rules that were heavily supported by the establishment to protect future establishment candidates. This wasn’t a Pro-Trump/Anti-Trump issue. This was a matter of following the rules and potentially stopping pro-establishment rules. There were a bunch of Pro-Trump delegates who wanted to oppose the rules because of that. They likewise were ignored, and now are pissed at what happens. One- the Chair of the ND GOP- resigned in protest, despite being a huge Pro-Trump supporter.
In the end, Trump and the establishment are now the same. We all lose.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 7/19/2016 @ 8:21 am“Here’s the short version: Fuck the rules, we want no embarrassment for Trump.”
Naw, really? Why might the GOP not want to raise issues against a well-established front-runner who’s neck and neck in the polls? Why not just follow all rules and enforcement structures mechanically no matter who has an axe to grind and who might try detonating a media bomb at the convention?
“It seems hard to imagine that speechwriters or Mrs. Trump would have done this intentionally with the world watching them. If so, well, they deserve the criticism they will get. But let’s not jump to a firm conclusion yet.”
How about we just, I don’t know, not mention it at all, because our opponents have a very-well-demonstrated tendency to treat all apologies as signs of weakness?
A PR expert is kicking your asses in politics because you have absolutely no grasp of PR basics and can’t help but jump to DOES THIS MEAN TRUMP IS LOSING IT??? over every trifle:
https://youtu.be/8M6x1H08aFc
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/19/2016 @ 9:34 amSo, I guess you would be happy electing someone to congress based on their campaign promises only to have them get there and then “vote their conscience.” The anti trumpers want to change the rules on the entire primary election. I think that is what this whole revolt is about. Trump is the nominee because of that. People are fed up with campaign lies. We know from the past 25 years that somethings don’t change the way we expect after elections. Time to do something different. Maybe Trump won on empty promises. Maybe not.
Unfortunately, the only campaign promise that has been kept is the one to “fundamentally change America.”
Jim (a9b7c7) — 7/19/2016 @ 10:46 amHere is the statement from the Alaska delegate who tried to present the signatures from his state at the convention. (The convention fixers have refused to say which states did not turn in signatures.)
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It has been reported that Alaska did not turn in its required signatures to contribute toward the rules committee roll call vote.
As a rules committee member, I had secured more than enough signatures from Alaska delegates, but the convention secretary was not at the designated location where I was told to submit them.
Some said she was hiding. Others said she was protected by guards. Regardless, I was told I could also present the signatures from the floor.
Nevertheless, when the vote occurred, my mic was not turned on. When I attempted to present these signatures at the stage, my effort was ignored by the chair, and the security guard turned me away.
The effort was made even more difficult by Alaska’s late-arriving bus and slow security lines at the entrance.
Overall, this was not a good demonstration of delegate accommodation, nor of full, open, honest debate of the rules as was promised during the rules committee orientation.
Fred Brown
Rules Committee
Member, Alaska
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Luke Stywalker (33d1c7) — 7/19/2016 @ 1:34 pmRight nnw the roll call is in progerss – Louisiana and Maine just votd – Maine more for
Cruz than for Trump, and 2 for Kasich.
They are in the process of making it official. I think New York is supposed to put Trump over the top, announced by Donald Trump Jr, the only one of his children who registered Republican in time to vote in the primary or become a delegate to the convention.
Senator Jeff Sessions nominated Trump, besides making a speech yesterday. H’s one of the people most responsible for making Trump the nominee. If he had been nominated for vice president, maybe his cause would go down with him.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/19/2016 @ 3:49 pmI’ve never read a sight so full of $hit as this one. It seems Patterico will say anything no matter how outrageous as long as it’s anti Trump/Republican. It’s going to be a long 3 months till Trump takes it in November. The comments are the worst.
tonynoboloney (280edb) — 7/19/2016 @ 8:55 pmTonynoboloney, that’s “site” and “balogna”. That’s for starters. And there’s the door. Don’t let it hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
John Hitchcock (6325dc) — 7/19/2016 @ 10:54 pmCongressmen have a duty to vote according to their own judgment and consciences, and not according to the wishes of their constituents. That’s what representative government is all about. If a congressman made promises during his campaign that he did not intend to fulfil, that’s a problem. But most anti-Trump delegates did not campaign on a promise to vote for Trump. Perhaps some did but have since seen the light, just as a congressman may sincerely take one position during the campaign and then realise that he had been wrong. Are you seriously claiming that such a congressman should vote contrary to what he believes to be the national interest, just because he had a different view during the campaign?!
Milhouse (5a188d) — 7/20/2016 @ 5:45 am