New Black Panther Party To Be Armed At Cleveland Protests Next Week
[guest post by Dana]
In light of this, it’s certainly not a stretch to be concerned about this:
The chairman of the New Black Panther Party, a “black power” movement, said his group will carry arms for self-defense during protests at the Republican convention next week if allowed under Ohio law.
“If it is an open state to carry, we will exercise our Second Amendment rights because there are other groups threatening to be there that are threatening to do harm to us,” Hashim Nzinga, chairman of the New Black Panther Party, told Reuters in an interview.
“If that state allows us to bear arms, the Panthers and the others who can legally bear arms will bear arms.”
Nzinga condemned the killing of five police officers in Dallas last week as a “massacre” and said his group played no role in the attack.
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Officials in Ohio have said it will be legal for protesters to carry weapons at demonstrations outside the convention under that state’s gun laws.
Nzinga did not identify which groups had threatened to do his group harm, nor whether he had reported this to law enforcement officials. Further, he said he expects several hundred members of the New Black Panther Party to be at the Republican National Convention next week to join in a “black unity protest”.
Also, according to the report:
Several other groups, including some supporters of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, have said they will carry weapons in protests as well, leading to concerns about rival groups being armed in close proximity.
What could possibly go wrong?
–Dana
Wow. So we’ll have armed Black Panthers and 100 naked women at the GOP convention.
Chuck Bartowski (8489f0) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:17 amMr. Trump is gonna be very nice and be nominated like a plum lolly.
Nobody cares what stupid panthertards do.
They’re dumb!
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:18 amChuck Bartowski,
At this point, I say, make it 200 naked women. At least they will momentarily distract the mobs from their guns and anger.
Dana (995455) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:20 am…and the nominee will turn it into an impromptu beauty pageant!
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:21 amNzinga was the one who put a contract on Zimmerman.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:40 amI see where you are coming from, Dana, but I don’t think this is as big a problem as you do. If you are a typical BLM protestor — namely, a mush-minded college kid who has been fed a steady diet of “white privilege” and “institutional racism” — you now have a choice to make: Do you go to the rally knowing that there is heightened tension as well as the presence of those nasty guns which you have been told are responsible for all the ills in the world, or do you stay home and play Pokemon Go? I see it this way:
Best-case scenario: This rally turns out to be a bust because people fear the potential for violence and thus stay home, and maybe this is the beginning of the end for the BLM movement.
Middling scenario: The rally is well attended and the Black Panthers show up armed but there are no problems and no one ends up discharging their weapon. Life goes on as normal and the BLM continues.
Horrible scenario: A riot with shots fired and fatalities. But that would expose the ugly underside of BLM for all to see, wouldn’t it? Or at the very least, it would show that BLM is unable to (or unwilling to) keep away the violent and unstable element.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:45 amI don’t see the problem. 2nd Amendment, goose/gander, etc. lots of things could go wrong. That’s the price of a free society.
Leviticus (44cfdb) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:54 amThe bombing in Madison that killed a grad student in 1970 seemed to have an immediate effect to greatly decrease the numbers of students in anti war protests.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:54 amI dont see why the rank and file BLM/BPs would be restrained from effecting the Horrible Scenario, apart from many hating HRC, a lot of them probably want Trump (although a highly “checked by Dems” version) if only to stick it to the “beaners”. Again, I think this is where Trump should go ex-military with his VP pick, if only to plant the possibility that a loyal brigade will be on and near the premises wherever he goes.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/12/2016 @ 11:58 amI don’t see the problem. 2nd Amendment, goose/gander, etc. lots of things could go wrong. That’s the price of a free society.
Yeah, agreed.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:02 pmLeviticus, I think you are smarter than you let on with your knee jerk idiocy.
Who here thinks it is a good idea for any civilians to show up open carry, no matter what race or political persuasion??
If people are concerned about police officers not reacting wisely to deescalate a situation, what are the odds of at least one hot head idiot starting off a disaster.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:03 pmI knew a WW II vet, hunter, and likely NRA poster child once said that he could walk downtown with his big gun (45 magnum??) in his chest holster in plain view, but anyone who would do that would be a fool.
What is legal is not always prudent, if it is the law, it’s the law, that doesn’t mean it is not a problem.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:05 pmDo you strive be a blithering idiot, or does it just come natural, or, hard rains gonna fall.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:06 pmThe bpo and say Islamic state, only argue about ends, not the means to carry them out.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:13 pmTruepundit suggest one scenario, tying together the bookend events of this month.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:17 pmThe Black Panthers, old and new, have always been lying thugs. The originals have been convicted drug/prostitution racketeers, the new party has cover from the left.
Sure, nothing to see here.
Steve Malynn (1d7837) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:26 pmI stand by my contention that we need to be consistent in our belief that law-abiding citizens be allowed to carry weapons in accordance with local law as Leviticus points out, but I would agree that that coming on the heels of the assassinations at the Dallas BLM march this is obviously bad optics and it ought to be in the best interests of the BLM “organizers” to talk the Panthers out of this.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:29 pmBut frankly I would rather see this be the reason that the entire march fizzles out and is largely ignored.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:30 pmAnd given the Black Panthers’ announcement, it is entirely appropriate for Cleveland PD to show up in full body armor and brandishing long weapons.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:32 pmJust curious, are they planning to carry outside the
arik (02de93) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:34 pmsocialistNazidemocRat party comvention?Wiki says that Philadelphia–unlike the rest of the state of PA–does not allow open carry.
M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:38 pmMore robots with C4 at the front of the barricades….
spokanebob (1aaf2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:39 pm“Leviticus, I think you are smarter than you let on with your knee jerk idiocy.”
– MD in Philly
It’s not knee-jerk idiocy. It’s an opinion rooted in principles, including a belief in the Second Amendment and a belief in equality under the law. What’s the idiocy? Do you believe that the Panthers should be prohibited from carrying weapons in a manner consistent with local laws? Right wingers take their guns to political rallies all the time, just to show they can. Goose/gander.
Leviticus (efada1) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:40 pmI feel sorry for those of you who live in Cleveland or Philadelphia. I still remember what a pain in the rear end it was when the Democrats all convened in Los Angeles back in 2000. Be prepared to stay at home all four nights of the convention.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:41 pmI thought you believed in the second amendment? reagan signed the first major gun law in california to stop the gun rights of the black panthers. now you want to stop the gun rights too!
gun rights (2c3b49) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:50 pmI stand by my contention that we need to be consistent in our belief that law-abiding citizens be allowed to carry weapons in accordance with local law as Leviticus points out, but I would agree that that coming on the heels of the assassinations at the Dallas BLM march this is obviously bad optics and it ought to be in the best interests of the BLM “organizers” to talk the Panthers out of this.
This. Absolutely.
Nowhere in the post am I suggesting that the Black Panthers, or Trump supporters for that matter, should not be allowed to carry if they are legally allowed. I am, however, suggesting that in light of the Black Panthers being openly hostile toward law enforcement, and gone on the record to vow hatred of whites*, being armed and mixing with armed Trump supporters will likely lead to nothing good. I am in no mood to be naively optimistic. Too much has happened in the past few weeks.
(This from a NBP leader: “I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate it. We didn’t come out here to play today. There’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore bitches on our arms, and we call ourselves black men. … What the hell is wrong with you black man? You at a doomsday with a white girl on your damn arm. We keep begging white people for freedom! No wonder we not free! Your enemy cannot make you free, fool! You want freedom? You going to have to kill some crackers! You going to have to kill some of their babies!”)
Dana (995455) — 7/12/2016 @ 12:55 pmPerhaps the RNC can hand out Louisville Sluggers as souvenirs?
Colonel Haiku (ae69e2) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:04 pmPerry’s like the bad rashes they document in medical journals.
Colonel Haiku (ae69e2) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:06 pmBikers, truckers and black panther p***ies. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-convention-idUSKCN0XQ1YJ
spokanebob (6797b5) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:11 pmI’ll put my money on the people who work for a living….
I have never heard of a right wing group going to rallies with weapons in view.
If so, especially to an event where there will be other groups and animosities likely,
I would say that also is a bad idea.
Yes, gooses and ganders, no group should show up to an event looking like a private army,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:13 pmAnd I didn’t say a thing about anybody not being allowed to do what the law says they can,
When I say “should” and “ought” I wasn’t talking about what was legal,
I was talking about what was wise and prudent.
I will repeat
Wise and legal are not the same thing,
and if you want to run a society based on a massive system of laws instead of hoping that most of the time people will act marginally wisely,
That will not work very well.
For some quite bizarre reason,
I keep coming across people who don’t seem to care if the cities burn this summer,
Because they think differing to BLM and the NBPP is such a noble thing to do.
I guess not enough people who remember the LA riot in the 90’s and 68,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:21 pmYou would at least expect people to remember Ferguson and Baltimore
Riots are really not that helpful for inner city folk.
Does Charlie Manson get the news? He must be getting excited.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:23 pmAs I’ve said, Leviticus should’ve been born in a different era. He’d have been the perfect foil to smuggle a gun into George Jackson.
Colonel Haiku (ae69e2) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:26 pmThere will probably be a huge gun free zone in the convention area, but guns might be carried in other parts of Cleveland, including maybe a demonstration area..
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:13 pm
Right wing groups are interested in portrying themselves as non-violent and not any kind of threat to the safety of innocent people, especially if they are accused of that.
Not so this group.
It’s too early to tell what they’re really after. They probably don’t actually want any casualties. because it is hard to tell how that will play, if for no other reason.
The best thing would be for everybody not to take any of their ideology or claims seriously, and indicate that nobody else should either.
Sammy Finkelman (c82029) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:41 pmThe Aquarius episode with the rfk assassination was playing right Round the time of the hit.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:43 pmI think of him more like woody Allen’s character in take the money and run
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:51 pmThese people really want Trump nominated, don’t they?
scrubone (c3104f) — 7/12/2016 @ 1:56 pmFor some quite bizarre reason,
I keep coming across people who don’t seem to care if the cities burn this summer,
Because they think differing to BLM and the NBPP is such a noble thing to do.
I guess not enough people who remember the LA riot in the 90’s and 68,
No mystery at all. Note the gaps: 20-25 years.
Every generation needs to learn certain lessons again.
scrubone (c3104f) — 7/12/2016 @ 2:02 pmWhat could possibly go wrong?
Only wild shots hitting people who are neither Black Panthers nor Trump supporters.
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2016 @ 2:09 pmI don’t know about right-wingers carrying guns at rallies and protests, but it has been standard practice for New Black Panthers in Texas for as long as Texas has had its open carry law. I have seen them outside prisons protesting the execution of a “dindunuffin”. Their preferred weapon seems to be the SKS with the “.30 caliber banana clip”, BTW.
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2016 @ 2:14 pm“I guess not enough people who remember the LA riot in the 90’s and 68, You would at least expect people to remember Ferguson and Baltimore riots are really not that helpful for inner city folk.”
Please tape this to your wall and read it 3 times a day:
“I couldn’t be less concerned about what’s ‘helpful’ for blindly loyal Dem voters, who would stab me in a heartbeat if it benefited them personally”
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/12/2016 @ 3:19 pm“It’s too early to tell what they’re really after. They probably don’t actually want any casualties. because it is hard to tell how that will play, if for no other reason.”
I think you’re projecting a level of agency and planning a bit too far beyond ‘show up and start shit if you can’.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/12/2016 @ 3:21 pmas md pointed out, the chant to the rally was ‘dead cops now’ as one prepper blog, pointed out when you target police and security forces, that is guerilla warfare, that was dallas, when you deliberately target civilians, that is terrorism, or orlando, the fbi doesn’t seem to give a farthing about either,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 3:34 pmAs far as “what they want”…
I’ve mentioned before the documentary “The War at Home” about Madison in the anti-Vietnam era,
the Bill Ayers and his buddies seriously wanted to foment revolution, some were ecstatic at the Sterling Hall bombing at first because they thought it was going to spark the revolution,
then they became real disappointed and angry, feeling betrayed by all of the student protesters who started staying home instead of going to the protests.
We will not know what they want until after we see it.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:08 pmAnybody see solid documentation of the dead cops now by BLM?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:11 pmI haven’t actually looked again in the last 24 hrs,
I want something undeniable before I point it out to various people.
Thanks
Clevelander here. Protest route of the area in and around the Detroit/Superior bridge is far away from the Q. Open carry could be a problem but the CPD has been given additional manpower from other neighboring police departments. Clevelanders especially from the Irish Catholic community and the bench are solidly behind the CPD. Any violent reactions from BLM or the Panthers would be a grave mistake.
scott (2bad05) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:17 pmpardon me. the Lorain/Carnegie bridge
scott (2bad05) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:24 pmThe Cleveland authorities should ban all demonstrations during the GOP Convention. Shut ’em down or lock ’em up. No guns allowed, no disruptive conduct, no exceptions. Set up roadblocks, and put teams at trains, airports, and bus stations. Turn ’em back.
ropelight (596f46) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:32 pmHere’s one, MD. I think it was in New York. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQXmnMr_w8
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:36 pmthat scene looked familiar, md,
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Manhattan-Dead-Cops-Video-Millions-March-Protest-285805731.html
now the dallas protest was in the late afternoon, early evening,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:36 pmthere was this other charming bit, where they eventually paralyzed a sheriff’s deputy, in one of those ‘peaceful’ protests this week,
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4454450298001/black-lives-matter-protesters-taunt-cops/
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:40 pmfwiw,
http://truepundit.com/dallas-police-sniper-dropped-from-fbis-radar-converted-to-islam-by-orlando-killers-radical-teachers/
seems a bit of a reach, but it would explain how this whole thing has transpired,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:43 pm“The Cleveland authorities should ban all demonstrations during the GOP Convention. Shut ’em down or lock ’em up. No guns allowed, no disruptive conduct, no exceptions. Set up roadblocks, and put teams at trains, airports, and bus stations. Turn ’em back.”
– ropelight
You are such a shameless little fascist. It’s remarkable. How long have you been waiting for a candidate like Trump?
Leviticus (44cfdb) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:45 pmI’m all for peace and tranquility. It’s totally irresponsible to allow unruly gangs of violent houligans to disrupt the political process of national conventions. The authorities in Cleveland should take all necessary steps to ensure that no disruptions take place, including jailing anyone traveling to Cleveland to create violent discord.
ropelight (596f46) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:56 pmAh, Suite Lorain.
Colonel Haiku (ae69e2) — 7/12/2016 @ 4:59 pmThanks all,
I think that one of yours nk is the same I saw labeled Dallas elsewhere,
I think I read that the “pigs.in a blanket” phrase came from the guy who executed the two NYC police officers (after Tyrone Martin?), true?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 6:43 pmyou’re welcome, now similar rhetoric at rallies about two months apart, suggests this is their ultimate goal, now the police didn’t know when the rally would end, but the rally organizers or perhaps employees at city hall did and they relayed it to the shooter,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/12/2016 @ 6:48 pmNarciso,
Do you have a link to any reports about the blm event causing a deputy paralysis?
Couldn’t find anything in a search other than the media pushing some guy who got 23 million in a judgment due to a cop shooting.
njrob (318921) — 7/12/2016 @ 10:49 pm“Sorry for breaking up your Black Panther Party” -F.Gump-
firefirefire (933c5b) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:37 amNJ:
Update on the injured officer from the St.Paul protest:
http://www.google.com/amp/www.twincities.com/2016/07/12/police-officer-hit-by-concrete-at-protest-did-not-break-his-back/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon#
urbanleftbehind (1aa6e5) — 7/13/2016 @ 5:58 amChoice Trump quote: “We have to take care of everybody. But we also have to get to the bottom of things.”
Thanks, dipsh*t.
Leviticus (efada1) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:00 amit’s high time we got to the bottom of the things
2016 feels like a turning point
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:24 amThe two police officers in New York were executed in December 2014. There was some warning from Baltimore, but they didn’t correctly guess wheer Brinsley was about to go.
“Pigs in a blanket” seems t go back at least to a Black Lives Matter march held outside the Minnesota State Fair around August 28-30, 2015.
Black Lives Matter said it didn’t mean killing them and putting them in body bags.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/31/black-lives-matter-activist-pigs-in-a-blanket-fry-em-like-bacon-not-about-killing-police/
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:35 amblack lives matter is gayer than putin and captain steubing taking a moonlight walk on the lido deck together
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:49 amactually volodya has banned some lives matter, as a terrorist group,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:51 amNAACP leader Curtis Gatewood, NAACP Branch of the Year recipient and NAACP President of the Year, said re Micah X. Johnson’s death:
He also went on to call Clarence Thomas, “the most vicious Uncle Tom ever”.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/12/naacp-leader-dallas-shooter-was-defenseless-and-lynched/
Dana (9ec88a) — 7/13/2016 @ 9:36 amThanks Sammy
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:37 amThere was a rash of gun control legislaion triggered in the 1960s and ’70s by open carry (and violence) by the original Black Panther Party. I wonder if The Brady Center and similar groups are supporting the NBPP hoping for more of the same.
Peter B (eb3bb9) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:21 am