Is It Newt?
[guest post by Dana]
Here we go. This is getting everyone worked up:
On Tuesday afternoon, a statement from the network said, “Fox News Channel has mutually agreed to suspend its contributor agreement with Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich effective immediately.”
“Due to the intense media speculation about Gingrich’s potential selection as Donald Trump’s vice presidential candidate, we felt it best to halt his contributor role on the network to avoid all conflicts of interest that may arise,” executive vice president for news Jay Wallace said.
And then there’s this:
So it might be Newt.
Or it might be Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who said on Sunday that abortion was a woman’s decision to make, and on Monday, said he was a “pro-life Democrat” and that the “law should be changed” on abortion.
Or it might be Gov. Mike Pence, who just attended a fundraiswer with the presumptive GOP nominee and introduced him at campaign rally today.
Oh. Yeah. There’s also Chris Christie, who is still auditioning for a VP slot on the ticket of the “law and order candidate”.
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: I continue to say it’s Newtie.
I feel strangely disconnected from this whole process.
Dana (995455) — 7/12/2016 @ 6:47 pmI hope he does it on the set of The Apprentice. Newt Flynn and Pence all sitting at th table.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/12/2016 @ 7:18 pmI think LTG Flynn would be an inspired choice.
With Democrats the only legal options for Senator and Congress, I don’t think there would be a Republican listed on my ballot at all… maybe for a state race?
malclave (4ddf38) — 7/12/2016 @ 7:23 pmWe need more. Christie, jeez. Who else?
At least ten. And at some point in the evening they should do a tug of war.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/12/2016 @ 7:42 pmNewt on every count except for one major flaw. His wife is a nutcase.
ropelight (596f46) — 7/12/2016 @ 7:52 pmWe could have had a Rubio/Jindal ticket, which would contrast nicely against the tired old-guard ideas and low-energy of Hillary, Bernie, Joe Biden, Pocahontas, et al.
Instead, we’ve got a couple of 70 year olds (Trump/Gingrich.)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/12/2016 @ 8:05 pmI’m not getting what the thinking is behind the possible Veep choices that we’re hearing. The rule of thumb on running mates is they only add votes based on belonging to some demographic (female, Hispanic etc.) or in some cases being from a critical state. None of the names we’ve heard meets those criteria.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/12/2016 @ 8:36 pmOne discussion of the issue:
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2016 @ 8:50 pmhttps://medium.com/@BenSasse/two-kinds-of-voting-two-kinds-of-disruption-and-two-kinds-of-unrighteousness-fd26895aa01f#.6wjjmcamj
‘Newt Gingrich, Moon President’ & ‘The Great White Dope?’
“Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends; so glad you could attend; come inside, come inside…”
DCSCA (a343d5) — 7/12/2016 @ 9:13 pmNewt can probably sharpen Trump’s policy discussion skills, but that wouldn’t be a reason to make him the running mate.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/12/2016 @ 9:18 pmYeah, the ticket to put up against two elderly white women is obviously two elderly white men.
Actually, Hillary! is so cynical that she would almost surely counter this by getting some unaccomplished Latino hack so that she has the whole diversity thing covered.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 9:28 pmI’m not getting what the thinking is behind the possible Veep choices that we’re hearing.
Don’t you know that the presumptive GOP nominee is such an outside-of-the-box genius that everything he does is way beyond our meager ability to comprehend.
JVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 9:30 pmIs it Trump keeping his name on the front page?
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gmail.com (99252c) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:38 amIt can be the vietnam war draft doger 6 wives ticket!
mike pence (9c7dc4) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:16 amI guarantee you that Clinton will not bring up any “draft dodger” issue.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:36 amNewt?
Neyt!
redc1c4 (c3507e) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:48 amI love Mr. Trump’s vp choice it’s gonna be so much better than whatever weirdo tranny-looking thing stinkypig picks.
They should make bumper stickers with Mr. Trump’s name and the name of the person he picks for vp!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:41 amlol slimy tammy’s healthcare law looks like a big fat fail like her butt
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 5:02 am“New swing-state polls released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University show Trump leading Clinton in Florida and Pennsylvania — and tied in the critical battleground state of Ohio. In three of the states that matter most in November, the surveys point to a race much closer than the national polls, which have Clinton pegged to a significant, mid-single-digit advantage over Trump, suggest.”
Colonel Haiku (ae69e2) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:21 amThis election cycle was the perfect opportunity for our team to establish a wicked contrast between the tired old stale ideas of the 1960s statist liberalism of Hillary Clinton and the future of America with a younger, articulate, vibrant Republican who didn’t attend one of the famous New England Prep Schools as a yute.
Gingrich is an ideas man and will probably wipe his opponent off the stage in the VP debate, but it’s going to be difficult to make the case that Hillary is a re-tread when we nominate the Clintons’ nemesis (Gingrich) from the 1990s.
Maybe they’ll play a ‘Seinfeld’ marathon at the Convention.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:11 amtrue, but newt has too many ideas, a counterpart to boris johnson, who was shivved by his lieutenants, they need someone steadier,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:13 amUPDATE BY PATTERICO: I continue to say it’s Newtie.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:23 amI don’t recall VP picks revealed till after an official nominee has been confirmed at the convention. At least that’s my recollection.
ropelight (596f46) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:48 amJVW (eabb2a) — 7/12/2016 @ 9:28 pm
I read in the New York Daily News (page 19) that a new name has been added Democratic Party vetting for vice president: Former NATO commander James Stavrides. He is currently the dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.
That must be in case Donald Trump names General Michael Flynn (even if that would not definitely be the person Hillary chose if Donald Trump did name Michel Flynn. To even consider someone they have to start the vetting now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Stavridis
So it would seem the meets the Clinton requirement of having done something unethical that has been covered up.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:50 amropelight (596f46) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:48 am
That was the way it was before 1976, although Reagan waited in 1980. I don’t see how this massive vetting process for vice presidents can ever fit with contested conventions, so there;s a problem here.
You sound like Rip Van Winkle but he only slept for 20 years, not 40.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:54 amgeneral mattis was slated for nato, but stavridis took his slot, because he’s just the sort of malleable hack like wesley clark and admiral sestak, they demand,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 7:58 amNot more than 2 or 3 days ago General Flynn suggested Stavridis as a possible VP for Trump.
ropelight (596f46) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:02 amGiven his family’s history of being expelled out of Anatolia by the Ottoman Turks, Stavridis might not make it past the MB wing of the Clinton braintrust, unless he has been janissar-ized.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:03 am“Newt on every count except for one major flaw. His wife is a nutcase.”
He’ll have a new one by the inauguration.
“Yeah, the ticket to put up against two elderly white women is obviously two elderly white men.”
If conservatives had been man enough to repeal the 19th amendment earlier, you wouldn’t have to deal with this sort of family civil war as identity politics. Remember, Hitler was popular with women, and the Nazi party was all about women’s suffrage.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:04 amGet this Johnson doper off the stage and run 2 generals as a 3rd ticket. That would win.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:04 amnarciso @21 Boris Johnson’s problem was that he really didn’t know what to say when his side won the referendum. Nigel Farage of the UKIP had the same problem.
There are two problems in Britain with leaving the European Union, or three:
1. The House of Lords ruled (in an advisory opinion?) back in April that withdrawal from the EU requires the consent of the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish Parliament won’t give
it at least unless the terms allow free trade and free movement into the EU. You get a constitutional crisis in the United Kingdom if there is any attempt to withdraw from the EU without the consent of Scotland.
2. Any new agreement with the EU to replace membership requires the consent of all the remaining 27 Parliaments, and the Polish Parliament won’t give it if Polish workers cannot freely seek employment on the United Kingdom. And Britain does want free trade with the EU. There’s some hope maybe they can join with Canada in the free trade agreement that Canada is now negotiating with the EU, or maybe that can be NAFTA (Mexico already has a separate agreement with the EU)
3. The peace agreement in Northern Island included easy movement betwene the north and the south, but separation from the EU might require a hard border. People born in Northern Ireland can choose citizenship in the UK or Ireland or both, so most people may legally be able to do anything they are doing now, but they’d get checkpoints and searches and customs fees and delays.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:12 amNewt Gingrich?
splendid!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:25 amTrump said 4 people remained under consideration the other day. The 4 people are probably are Newt Gingrich, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who has until Friday to file for re-election and has not yet pulled the trigger, and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Senator Jeff Sessions, therefore, is probably out, unless Pence is out and Sessions is in. At that time, it was reported that Trump confirmed that both Flynn and Christie were in the running.
The CBS Evening News reported yesterday that the announcement would come on Friday (isn’t that what John McCain did in 2008?) but, of course, it can leak before, if anybody is able to track the whereabouts of Newt Gingrich and the others, because they’ll proably know where Donald Trump is planning to be Friday around noon, and the vice presidential candidate is probably going to be there too, to speak.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:25 amropelight (596f46) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:02 am
Did a Clinton double agent plant the idea in Michael Flynn’s head?
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:27 amIm hearing (CNN) that Sessions is back in and that Lt. Gen. Flynn is out.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:28 amSupposedly there are two unknown contenders, besides Pence, Gingrich, Christie, and Flynn. I would guess Cotton, Boehner, and/or Ayotte.
Andrew Hyman (b12b60) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:34 amIt shouldn’t matter. Trump will be doing the choosing. Whoever it is it will be a great pick, that I can tell you.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:37 amwe don’t need any weirdo ex-military poopers
we need normal people what understand the real life of real americans
real americans like you and me
you know
the ones what will make America great again!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:45 amAnn Coulter is promoting two people, although she’s not close to Trump, or the process:
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, or former United States Senator Scott Brown. She said that, months ago, ear;y in the race, she wanted Mott Romney for Trump’s vce president.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 9:08 amI think any female running mate below 65 years old makes him look like a cad (Fallin not so much, as she is older and probably likes country boys anyway). Clinton cries at night that Gen. Richard Sanchez went off the deep end after Abu Ghraib- he’d have covered a lot of bases (hispanic, Texan, blue-doggish) in the event that another Northeasterner was on the Trump ticket.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 9:16 amI plan to write in my dog’s name. She is honest, faithful, friendly and loyal. All qualities lacking
Bar Sinister (c62a89) — 7/13/2016 @ 9:47 amin all of the current candidates. Oh, and she is a black Lab.
^ Reminds me of one of the funniest memes of all time – the yellow lab with all black pups.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:06 amGary Busey or Dennis Rodman. Maybe both — they could take turns.
Mr. D (f76d05) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:25 amthere’s no such thing as Dennis Rodman
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:29 amHe’ll surprise us all. It’ll be Jeb!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:37 amIt’s amazing how Trumpkins now feel perfectly comfortable exposing in public (#2 above, for example) how spectacularly shallow and manipulable they are. They actually revel in being simpletons whose entire worldviews can be contained between two commercials on a reality TV show.
Sad.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:38 amI’m quite sure it won’t be Tom Cotton.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:41 amIt won’t be a calm centrist like Pense. Trump would be impeached before he took office.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:43 amum, Pence.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:44 amBeldar, at least he didn’t suggest an online vote during the commercial break to choose the “apprentice” (as if there are people who need to learn the ropes of governance from Donald Trump).
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:46 amHe’ll invite 4 finalists to cover his bow, aft, starboard and port as he speaks on stage – then a starter pistol will be fired and whoever shields him the best (or at all) will get the nod.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:50 amwhoever shields him the best
That would be Newt or Christie, or course
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 10:58 amActually, he who remembered the germophobe thing and kept his distance might win out also.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:01 amAlthough I’d rather see the thing that happened in Animal House when they did that.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:02 amMr. Trump is exciting that’s for sure
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:20 amI don’t want an exciting politician. I want a competent one. Is that too much to ask? The last competent president was Bill Clinton (he had other issues, but no one ever called him incompetent).
The trendline does not appear to be going up, either.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:48 amstay puft’s about two meters, like womp rats back home,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 11:49 am#56 Kevin M,
However, one doesn’t get to govern unless one can get elected.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:11 pmSomeone suggested a surprise Fiorina. Since I still expect Trump to flounce off at the eleventh hour, it might matter.
SarahW (3164f0) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:17 pmOff-topic:
Ninth Circuit rules that accessing a computer system after being told not to, and knowing one is doing so in contravention of the owner’s wishes (e.g. by changing IP addresses to get around a block), is a federal crime.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/12/9th-circuit-its-a-federal-crime-to-visit-a-website-after-being-told-not-to-visit-it/
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:40 pmSarahW,
I also expect Trump, 20 points down in October after eleventy stupid mistakes, to quit and declare that the election is rigged, and the press won’t have Donald Trump to kick around any more.
As planned last year with Team Clinton.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:42 pmMattis/Flynn 2020
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:51 pmIt doesn’t look like a lot of work, but I conjure a reaction from Beldar that exposed his inner Hillarybot.
Yeah. Now that you mention, it’s not all that hard to do.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:50 pmugh i *hate* hillary
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/13/2016 @ 1:55 pm59. SarahW (3164f0) — 7/13/2016 @ 12:17 pm
Since nowadays vice presidents are expected to be vetted, in a process that takes at least a few weeks, that would seem to be impossible, but then Ted Cruz named her as VP so perhaps the financial disclosure forms filed by presidential candiidates are enough.
But they also want (in confidence) medical records, and tax returns, including the discussion of any issues, and criminal background checks (that one might be done on 2 or 3 days), and answers to questions about things like whether they ever used illegal drugs or had a history of alcohol abuse, even if not treated, and if they or anyone they lived with ever hired anyone off the books – that’s actually a tax issue – or hired any unauthorized immigrants after 1986. And maybe about personal relationships, or at least problems with them, and if they made any enemies, and maybe half a dozen other things – probably including the same or similar things to what a prospecive United States Supreme Court nominee gets asked.
So I think Ted Cruz departed from current practice.
And I think if he had faced the prospect of being nominated, he would have made her go through the whole vetting process and reserve the right to withdraw the offer. So I don’t think Carly Fiorina could be under consideration, unless there’s been a lot of vetting in secret. The vetting tends to get discovered because it involves a lot of people.
That’s the last thing the Hillary Clinton campaign would want to see happen, but it can matter in any number of ways.
By the way, Trump was going to resign as Governor of New York after half a year if he was elected, or so he told Rob Astorino, who was running for Governor of New York in 2014, in an attempt to coax him into withdrawing. He had first asked Republican party leaders to clear the field for him but the Republican Party is not the Democratic Party. Astorino said that would be unfair to the voters and so Trump did not run for Governor, the New York Times reported this year, but he gave it very serious consideration.
But resigning as Governor in mid-2015 would have been to run for president. There’d be no reason to resign or decline the presidency. He could be a mostly inactive president, too, just interfering where it piqued his interest. Now, a smidgen of patriotism in that case would motivate him to pick a highly qualified person as vice president.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:18 pmhttps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/13/guardian-tyrants-and-war-criminals-demand-climate-action/
But I’m the manipulated one, right Trebek? (YouTube)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:51 pmThe CBS Evening News focused on Mike Pence, whom they seem to think is likely to be the nominee or at least the odds on favorite. He will meet with Trump’s family. But Trump stayed in contact with all 4 candidates. I suppose that could be to tell them it won’t be them, but that would mean the announcement is tomorrow or at least the decision is supposed to be. The possibilities seem to be Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, Jeff Sessions and Chris Christie. Donald Trump met or will meet personally with Newt Gingrich and Jeff Sessions and called Christie on the phone.
The CBS reporter noted that Newt Gingrich had told Trump that he leads a movement and I think something about him giving him advice and the Christie is head of Donald Trump’s presidential transition team. (it’s already been appointed) CBS seemed to discount Jeff Sessions because there probably doesn;t seem to be anything standing out in his favor so that Trump would want him.
Mike Pence has until noon on Friday to withdraw his name as a candidate for Governor in Indiana.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:55 pm66. The anti-carbon dioxide lobby seems to be pretty strong.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:56 pm21, 31, Boris Johnson has been named the United Kingdon’s new Foreign Minister, so it seems he will be tasked with digging a way out of the hole he helped put Great Britain in after all.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 3:58 pmNigel Farage will be attending the GOP convention in Cleveland. The former U.K. Independence Party
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/blog-summaries/287445-farage-will-attend-republican-convention
The Brexit guy. I hope they give him a speaking bit.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/13/2016 @ 5:57 pmwhat hole, the reverse is true, the eu has damaged the uk in so many ways.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:12 pmThere is no one to my knowledge who doesn’t accept climate science.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:19 pmThat wouldn’t make any sense.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:34 pmChristie won’t make the cut. The vetting team has just learned the gourmand Governor spent a 45 day stint at New Horizon Recovery in an effort to end his 39 year addiction to Dunkin’ Donuts.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:43 pmwell it indicates the commonality in terms of trade, and immigration and the islamic question generally, farage only a public school grad, (dulwich) is also well versed in economics, from his time as a commodities trader,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:46 pmChoosing Trump for the GOP nominee didn’t make any sense, either.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:54 pmAlrighty, no modern rendition of Howard Taft.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:55 pmIt made a certain kind of sense. There’s an audience for Trump’s message. Having the Brexit guy make a speech would leave the low info people scratching their heads. A convention’s supposed to be about focusing the party’s message.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:08 pmit’s about a common movement against unaccountable institutions, as we see it’s worked out about 50/50
narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:09 pm71. narciso (732bc0) — 7/13/2016 @ 6:12 pm
The hole is the problem of getting out of the EU. The United Kingdom could lose its free trade deal with the Continent; there can be problems for British citizens living on the Continent; there is danger of Scotland splitting off; there are problems with financial institutions operating in London in that they will need to establish offices in the EU; there’s a problem with complications for the agreement in Ireland; and to top it all off, it may not legally be possible for the United Kingdom to withdraw without a positive vote by BOTH the Parliament in Westminster and the PArliament in Scotland. And yet now Britain is morally committed to withdrawing from the EU.
Two arguments for Brexit were less EU immigration and less contributions to the EU – it will not be easy at all to alter any of these arrangements and still maintain a customs union. All the Parliaments of the remaining 27 nations have to agree to any new arrangement – Poland won’t readily agree to this if there are to be new restrictions on Polish workers, and the same goes also for some other countries and even if no agreement is even worse for Poland, there can, as a result, be a game of chicken; and the EU will probably demand that the UK contribute more to its budget and not less, while getting less back.
The EU wants the UK to start the clock – the UK would be foolish to do so, as the instant they start the 2-year clock running they lose all their bargaining power. Now maybe they can come in with Canada, but that wll be tricky. What the UK can most easily get out of this is freedom from EU laws, both economic or regulatory, and judicial. They already have a separate currency.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:28 pmFarage just said he was going back into private life.
And he’s coming to the United States?
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/13/2016 @ 8:30 pmPoint conceded. However, Farage has made noises that Trump will be far better for the UK than Clinton. That’s likely where the hook is. I see Farage’s point exactly- an orangutan would be better for Britain’s interests than Clinton. That’s probably why he’s coming, if not speaking- he’s been invited because he sounds like a Trump supporter.
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