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6/17/2016

Social Justice Warrior: I Will Sink To Any Level Of Indecency And Viciousness And Blame A Grieving Father – Because He’s White, And I Am A Despicable Person

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:48 pm



[guest post by Dana]

I wasn’t going to post about this week’s horrible tragedy involving 2-year old Lane Graves of Nebraska because it was just so sad but now I am compelled to do so.

While Lane Graves and his family vacationed in Orlando, Lane was pulled into a lagoon by an alligator while he played at the edge of the water near the family’s hotel. One can only imagine the frantic horror his father, Matt Graves, felt as he immediately jumped into the water and desperately fought to save his son. Sadly, there would be no rescue as the alligator disappeared into the water with Lane locked in his jaws. Lane’s small and lifeless body was found several days later, not far from where he had been snatched. This is the unspeakable stuff of nightmares. And his parents, God bless them, will never be the same again.

With that, leave it to a Social Justice Warrior to brutally use the 2-year old’s dead body as a soapbox to stand upon and blame Lane’s father for his son’s death. And while the nasty piece of work who refers to herself as “Brienne of Snarth,” certainly intended to publicly shame all white males and their so-called privilege, what she has done instead is to remind people that it is hate, and not any sense of “justice” that drives the Social Justice Warriors:

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I read somewhere that this cruelty shows that Social Justice Warriors have jumped the shark. I disagree. To say that gives them a credibility they, and their movement have never deserved. What this one cruel act does reveal, however, is the deep malevolence at the heart of the movement. And even if there is a public denouncement of this particular SJW by other influential SJWs, the collective group still remains trapped in a dark vortex of anger where hate is their lifeblood.

I am thankful that the parents of Lane Graves were gifted with this precious little boy. And as they move through their grief, I pray that the short time they were given to love Lane, and be loved by him, brings them some measure of comfort. May God fold this family into His loving arms.

–Dana

211 Responses to “Social Justice Warrior: I Will Sink To Any Level Of Indecency And Viciousness And Blame A Grieving Father – Because He’s White, And I Am A Despicable Person”

  1. Just awful, no matter which way you look.

    Dana (995455)

  2. Where’s happyfeet when we need him?

    nk (dbc370)

  3. 1. Why doesn’t she blame the mother? After all, the mother, being a woman, should have known better.

    2. No swimming ≠ alligators

    3. I can only imagine the signs that this witch has ignored. Sadly, none were fatal.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  4. Notice how patriarchal this is? From the story, it sounds like mom was there for the whole time, yet somehow to the crybullies like this yutz it is all the fault of the dad. Because I guess he wasn’t doing his duty being the Lord of the Manor and reigning over the family.

    It looks like she has deleted her Twitter account, so we’ll have to wait for her to resurface when she gets tenure as a Woymns’ Studies Professor as some minor league community college.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  5. Oh yeah, Kevin M made my point.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  6. Water is treacherous for a toddler.

    http://hariantekno.com/2016/06/disney-resort-to-add-alligator-warning-signs/

    No fence? How about a wall?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. Disney’s wildlife management system has ensured “that their guests are not unduly exposed to the wildlife in this area,” Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said during the search for the child.

    Yet Kadie Whalen, who lives in Wynnewood, Pennsylvania, saw no evidence of that system when she visited Disney World with her family four years ago.

    Whalen said her three young children and niece were playing on a resort beach at the water’s edge with buckets and shovels provided by Disney workers when the beady eyes of a 7-foot gator appeared in a lake just a few feet away. She screamed and everyone scattered.

    No one was hurt, but after her experience, this week’s fatal alligator attack did not surprise her.

    “We knew that Disney was aware that this was a problem, and yet they encourage people to be there,” Whalen said Thursday in a telephone interview.

    http://fox42kptm.com/news/local/after-deadly-alligator-attack-theme-parks-review-policies

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  8. I really hate these people. We need a divorce.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  9. the BEAUTIFUL CHILD Lane Graves will forever LIVE ON in thousands upon thousands of decent peoples minds and hearts. God BLESS his Mother and of course his FATHER this FATHER’S DAY WEEKEND.
    Brienne of Snarth, is just another HATE A-15 SPRAYING Unbridled hate far and wide.
    Brienne of Snarth has always been DEAD.

    Is this more of what HOPE and CHANGE has given us???

    GUS (30b6bd)

  10. The irony is because she is a vile racist pig she condemns a father yet would not condemn a mother for having a kids out of wedlock and worsening their odds in life, nor condemn minorities for dropping out of school or going to a life of crime, nor condemn drug addicts …… But white men, SURE!

    Cuz some how a sign no one would expect at Disney Resort should have been inspected while millions of Americans daily make idiotic decisions and are never held to account. I guess if crack ho momma looks boo boo day had a sign to stay in school not spread her legs daily and not have babies with ten fathers … Everything would have turned out great for her.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  11. #8 Divorce? Extermination more like it. You can never live in peace with these types of people. They are a societal cancer who spread envy and hatred everywhere. Off with their heads or move them far off shore past the borders forever.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  12. I also think there is an environmentalist element to her anger, because this proves that wildlife are actually dangerous, contrary to the preposterous idea of the left that we can live among predators in “harmony”. The internet is replete with videos of alligators near rides, beaches, parking lots, and golf courses near Disney and of warnings by guests to the hotel about close calls with gators. All warnings were ignored, of course, because that’s what they’ve been taught to do, just like the FBI has ignored warnings about jihadis. I don’t blame them, though, any more than I would blame any victim of brainwashing.

    So now, in America, every person and every creature is more valued than an American, which means we will only live in “harmony” with wild animals and savage third worlders if we accept that “harmony” means a few of us being killed in the process.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  13. Patricia. The LEFT is INSANE. There is no logic, no reason, no morality, no God. It’s all about these twisted, mis-educated, propagandized……FOOLS, always and everywhere looking to blame someone for THEIR LACK OF MORALITY and REASON.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  14. Environmentallyretardism…. is just another EXCUSE mechanism of the Alynski left. Most of our YOUTH….5-30 YEARS OLD, have been PROPAGANDIZED as OFFICIAL TAX PAID, PUBLIC EDUCATION. Not by accident, but ON PURPOSE.
    Let me make a simple but GRAPHIC analogy. Back in Jim Crow days, a BIGOT who said, “I hate them there ni@@gers” Was part and parcel of a bigoted culture. TODAY. Saying ..Global Warming is a LIE, is considered HERESY, by the LEFT. You CANNOT disagree. The LEFT seeks to FORCE THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA ON YOU. The CULTURE has CHANGED. The HOLIER THAN THOU LIBTARDS believe, that THEY ARE BEYOND REPROACH. They are NOT. They are fools.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  15. Patricia,

    We should start some environmental movements of our own, such as “Return the Puma to Manhattan!” and go on about how man has driven these noble beasts out of their former lands unjustly and how developers like Trump have made money from the deaths of all these sweet little puma kittens. When someone says this is obnoxious BS, release a puma.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  16. Hi GUS!

    Patterico (546427)

  17. twitter’s a sewer

    gators lurk there, and worse

    happyfeet (831175)

  18. #12 Well, look at the debate over an Ape ….. Leftism is a mental disease.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  19. Paper tiger,
    Disney is in a no win situation. If they expend dollars taking the gators out and have hunting expeditions daily to do so, well they will catch flack for the trapping (and potential killing) of gators in front of guests. That just as well disrupts the illusion for the guests that Disney is trying to provide.

    I would not that it’s been 30 years, as far as I can tell, that a guest had been attacked by gators at WDW. Then it was 85/86, if memory serves me, and the kid was rescued but with the loss of part of a limb. Then Disney compensation paid the medical and refunded the stay at the in house resort hotel as well as all the meals to date. Then gave the family a free voucher for a full 7 day visit with all the rides at a later date.

    Charles (3cf0f0)

  20. Chrissie’s last swim. (YouTube)

    Mickey Mouse deserves a good firm Chief Brody slap.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  21. “To say that gives them a credibility they, and their movement have never deserved.”
    Agreed. The left has always been contemptible.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  22. People like this Game of Thrones-watching drip need to learn what pain is. If it does not give them empathy, it will give them fear.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. I think there’s some common ground here.

    Disney is probably at fault far not doing enough to mitigate the danger of alligator attack, given they built artificial and very attractive alligator habitat into the landscaping. And knew about the gators but unlike other nearby resorts and hotels didn’t put up proper signage.

    And this Brienne chick and Leila Alawa (Syrian refugee chick of of other comment thread fame) really need a vacation in the Everglades and must stay for as long as it takes.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  24. Dove’s tribute to Dads on Father’s Day. Brienne of Snarth would not approve.

    DRJ (15874d)

  25. Brienne is a corporate lawyer (shockah) and a red queen supporter.

    narciso (732bc0)

  26. Maybe we should invite the entire DHS subcommittee which MB affiliate Leila Alawa sits on, dedicated to diverting our attention from the Muslims who are committing terrorism to the anarchist and white supremacists an military vets who are largely not, for a swim.

    http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/search-continues-for-nuisance-alligator-in-lake-worth/24782

    All in all it’s better to have gators as neighbors than Rahm Emmanuel as Mayor.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  27. These comments may be by the same Brienne.

    DRJ (15874d)

  28. While left wingers often make grandiose statements about humanity collectively, they don’t actually care very much about the suffering of individual people.
    The fact that this twisted Social INjustice Warrior is fretting about the skin color of the little toddler who was killed by the gator, proves once again which side of the political spectrum is obsessed with race.

    Sickos.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  29. The parents were from Nebraska; you go to the lake and no 200 pound reptile waiting for dinner. Disney should have their collective heads examined for creating an alligator feeding zone. They are aware of the risk, but I doubt most of the visitors are….

    Now all we need is for the female, mother, or the white boy that jumped into the gorilla compound to get a sex change so the SJW can vent at him/her. What is it with Florida? Are they stupid? Morons? Seems like it. Orlando shooting, he has to reload at least 3 times and nobody makes an effort to take him down; pathetic to just wait until he puts a couple in you….

    dee (022509)

  30. Brienne is a corporate lawyer (shockah) and a red queen supporter.

    Representing Disney?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  31. Is this Brienne of Snarth person someone important? If not why should anyone care what stupid thing they said?

    James B. Shearer (0015e9)

  32. We ignore popular culture at our peril, James. Brienne of Snarth’s tweets are examples of what some modern young single career women think.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. Maybe more. Some young people are very snarky and cynical.

    DRJ (15874d)

  34. Greetings:

    The Jesuits pretty much convinced me that it’s better to go from the general to the specific than vice versa. But sailing the North Atlantic convinced me that when you come upon an iceberg, all you see is the tip. So, let’s not forget the contribution of the Social Justice Warriors of past generations, such as:

    Lenin and Stalin who brought social justice to Mother Russia;
    Adolf Hitler who brought social justice to Germany;
    Benito Mussolini who brought social justice to Italy;
    Mao Tse Dung who brought social justice to China;
    Ho Chi Minh who brought social justice to Viet Nam;
    Pol Pot who brought social justice to Cambodia;
    Fidel, Raul, and that cutie Ché who brought social justice to Cuba;
    Robert Mugabe who brought social justice to Zimbabwe;
    Hugo Chavez who brought social justice to Venazuela.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  35. Barack Hussein Obama who brought social justice to America.

    Completed the list for you, 11B40.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  36. 32.We ignore popular culture at our peril, James. Brienne of Snarth’s tweets are examples of what some modern young single career women think.
    DRJ (15874d) — 6/18/2016 @ 8:31 am

    Braindead from Sniff’s tweets are actually examples of what some modern young college educated men and women “feel” (not think) mostly of the “white guilt” variety.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  37. if you go mucking about the twitter sewer you’re going to find stinky poopies

    every. single. time.

    pro-tip: avoid the twitter sewer

    happyfeet (831175)

  38. Cognitive Dissonance (wiki):

    In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

    For some of us, experiencing something that contradicts our expectations results in learning. For others, leftists in particular, deviations from expectations always require an explanation that does not involve learning. This is a perfect example. It’s always someone else’s fault.

    The same thing happens with coyote attacks in the foothills around L. A. I recall one event in the early 1980s where an infant was seized by a coyote and dragged off before the mother or father chased it down and recovered the child. My memory of the event is that the child died, but I haven’t been able to document this. The important point is that about 15 years later, a Hollywood activist brought charges against the family for child cruelty because she believed that coyotes were incapable of hurting humans. Therefore the punctures and bruising must have been done by the parents. At the time of the event, authorities determined that a neighbor was feeding the cute little coyotes. I think the charges were dismissed, but it had to be painful for the parents to be put in a position where they had to prove they didn’t do something.

    The master demagogues of the left, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Robespierre, for example, argue that people of means exploit the poor and by so doing become even richer. Once you buy into this notion, then the “solution” to your poverty offered by the demagogue is to exterminate the oppressors. Utopia beckons. The child-man heading up our current administration is of a similar view, but he is still laying the foundation for the hoped for change. The ball peen hammers will come later.

    If this sad woman is the person DRJ linked to in (#26), then she worked in what she described as a very dysfunctional office. But she spent her energies fighting within the office, managing to outwit he supervisor by exploiting personnel policies. She never figured out that she should have found another job. She felt she was owed a position with a future irrespective of the evidence right before her face. It is always someone else’s fault.

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  39. Gay people, why not?

    http://www.crkt.com/SPEW-Fixed-Blade

    I generally carry a larger version. And when I don’t it is a K-bar. But that is besides the point. A blade is not the weapon you want. You will get cut, badly.

    But it is better than fingernails or mascara.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  40. James Shearse,

    Normally I would agree. However, I read several reports indicating this person has quite a Twitter following, as well as what Fox News refers to, an “influential” Tumblr page. Apparently she is a well known SJW based in Chicago. Likely we aren’t as informed about the influential and powerful in the movement for obvious reasons. But it’s foolish to think these sorts have not, and will not continue to influence culture and political policy.

    Dana (995455)

  41. And the “learning” that should have followed the alligator attack is the same as the learning that should follow coyote attacks in the foothills. There are predators in nature, and a high price is paid if you ignore that reality. Our “Disneyland” like society creates endless myths of security, as in “Social Security”, and it is easy to become complacent. Events like this alligator attack were commonplace 150 years ago, and just 100 years ago millions died of diseases within the U. S. that are now extremely rare, and usually curable. So we all make the mistake of thinking that the artificial environment of our big cities is how the world at large works.

    The horror and sadness this family must feel now deserves our sympathy and compassion. Because we make the same error of assuming we are secure. Even in the face of human predators that use our massive innovations, air planes, subways, entertainment venues, to inflict mass slaughter on us.

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  42. Oops. Shearer.

    Dana (995455)

  43. The GOP just nominated a flat-out bigot as the head of its party, and yet you choose to cry foul about this?

    Mark Tillman (a95660)

  44. Mark Tillman,

    How on earth are the two related?

    And who is the “you” to whom you are referring??

    Dana (995455)

  45. 43.The GOP just nominated a flat-out bigot as the head of its party, and yet you choose to cry foul about this?
    Mark Tillman (a95660) — 6/18/2016 @ 9:29 am

    You know this how? Are there not enough blacks or Hispanics on his many payrolls? I’ve read where he’s employed upwards of 10,000 minority individuals over his building and business career. How many have you employed? It’s kind of hard to label someone a bigot when he so obviously isn’t one. Maybe that word doesn’t mean what you think it does. That or you are deliberately lying and slandering a person strictly out of hatred.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  46. Philly public schools have about a week of (half-hearted) class days scheduled after finals,
    this year daughter’s hs had”symposiums” scheduled for interest, activities run by teachers or students or both.
    Daughter went to one on being a “citizen of the world” that had to do with finding out how “privileged” one is….
    She ended up being the most privileged, said her main reaction was being sad for some things that others went through and it gave her something to think about..
    She certainly is “privileged” in some ways even over her brothers. Money for music lessons, e.g., for her is somewhat easy to come by, was not so easy for her brothers, nonexistent for me.

    Not sure though how much of a “world” perspective there was, not sure if they were asked about having family members die of starvation or what should have been easily treated illness, torture for religious or political beliefs, etc., which show that even the “not so privileged” here really are by world standards,
    and reminded her that her grandfather lived in a house with a dirt floor when he was born and still deals with feelings of being “just a hillbilly from KY” out classed by his professional peers.

    But then again, even discussing circumstance as the major factor in life is assenting to a materialistic / Marxist interpretation of life.

    MD in Philly (7a5606)

  47. Mr. Trump is *not* a bigot you’re thinking of Mitt Romney (loser).

    Mr. Trump loves all god’s creatures and wants them to have good jobs and to not get shot at in the nightclubs.

    He sees how America needs big changes if it’s to get off the path of failure and climb the summit of success, and he’s going to help make that happen.

    He’s a dilly of a pickle and straight-shootin son-of-a-gun, and that’s the story about Mr. Trump.

    happyfeet (831175)

  48. and *a* straight-shootin son-of-a-gun i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  49. Is this the same Mark Tillman who thinks the Presidential Election is a binary choice?
    Is this the same Mark Tillman who thinks GOP == Conservative?
    Is this the same Mark Tillman who has never presented a valid Premise > Sub-Premise > Conclusion statement, much less a sound one?
    Is this the same Mark Tillman who gets routinely logically thrashed by all comers?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    John Hitchcock (6c6e3e)

  50. And Hoagie, it is not at all obvious that the Lying Leftist Donald Trump is not a bigot.

    John Hitchcock (6c6e3e)

  51. The GOP just nominated a flat-out bigot as the head of its party, and yet you choose to cry foul about this?

    Mark Tillman (a95660) — 6/18/2016 @ 9:29 am

    You’re new here, eh?

    Bill H (971e5f)

  52. The Snarth was just looking for an excuse to express her hatred. The sign merely said “no swimming” and the toddler was just at the water’s edge, a few feet away from his parents. What exactly does the Snarth think the father did wrong? That he should have inferred that “no swimming” means “dangerous predators”?

    Jim S. (de529c)

  53. Dana,

    Comparative Idiocy Among the SJW would make a nice regular topic. The Black Lies Matter disruptor at the Mizzou vigil for Orlando runs a distant second to this witch but she certainly deserves a Participation Ribbon.

    Rick Ballard (534b65)

  54. Tying in with what MD in Philly said,

    Filipinos for the most part are not as wealthy as inner city Americans who have spent generations on Section 8 housing, Food Stamps, Welfare, Medicaid. And the Filipinos don’t have nearly the opportunities to climb out of extreme poverty. Huge numbers of them live in houses without glass in the window openings or front doors or electricity or heated water or toilets that flush.

    But the Filipinos are much friendlier, much cleaner, much happier than the far-better-off Welfare bums in the US. I’ll drive in NYC (every day, all day) before I’ll ever drive in Manila or Cagayan de Oro, but I’ll live in the 12 million plus Manila long before I’d ever live in an American inner city.

    John Hitchcock (6c6e3e)

  55. MD,

    I think that many of us probably have either parents or grandparents, or at least great-grandparents, who either took a boat here hoping to make their own American Dream, or were born into poverty via Ellis Island, Dust Bowl, etc. No one would deny that it is certainly a “privilege” for us to be heirs to the opportunity and wealth that is America. Right here and right now, by default, anyone who is born in this place is privileged. Including those who use “white privilege” as a weapon, like the richly arrogant Brienne of Snarths of the country. If you are walking, talking, gum-chewing citizen of America, you are privileged. If one doesn’t think that is true, one needs to get outside of America and see how most of the world lives.

    Also, MD, my husband’s parents were Oklahoma/Texas dustbowl inhabitants and carried with them a sense of embarrassment at being “Okies”. They grew up barefooted, uneducated, with no electricity or plumbing – because when you were born in a tent and lived in a tent, you didn’t have the luxury – and from childhood, they worked the fields as migrant workers picking crops. That they ended up with one achieving an M.A. and the other leading their financial ship through perilous times but knowing the value of a dollar, they were able to retire in substantial middle-class comfort with a nice amount of accrued wealth. Only in America.

    Dana (995455)

  56. Here is all the proof you need that Trump is not a racist.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/639466183998242816

    kishnevi (6a5d3c)

  57. yes yes he’s the exact opposite of a racist he’s got a smile for you no matter who you are

    happyfeet (831175)

  58. Mark Tillman, stupidest comment you could make. Congrats

    SPQR (fb8e6b)

  59. The same fools who cling to “white privilege” simultaneously reject “American Exceptionalism”.

    Talk about racism!

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  60. Rev. Hoagie,

    You are forgetting the progressive definition of a bigot:

    Bigot: a conservative winning an argument with a liberal

    And Trump (or anyone who disagrees with a liberal on anything) is conservative enough for this to apply.

    mark (3b8dfb)

  61. Trump is the daddy for those who weren’t satisfied with their daddies. Hillary! gets the vote of everyone who wants a forever mommy.

    The rest of us are screwed.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  62. i’m so happy how Mr. Trump is gonna save us from Mrs. Soggycrotch and put us back on track

    when i think about it i do my happy dance and I can’t stop smiling

    happyfeet (831175)

  63. White toddlers should be eaten by alligators because Donald Trump is a jerk and Karl Rove is a puppetmaster.

    Oh gawd.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  64. White men’s entitlement’s? 7yo white breaker boys worked in coal mines to help feed their families, those that grew old had their taxes pay for Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico to collect social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH.

    I am entitled to have money from my paycheck go towards Latrina’s 21 illegitimate crack babies (actual person in NJ) even though I never touched her.

    Steve (fc37de)

  65. I feel the same way about this as I did about the parents of the kid in the gorilla enclosure:

    There is *no parent* who has not briefly lost track of what their kids were doing. None. It’s an impossible task, and anyone who claims they have never lost track of their kids for a few moments is simply deluding themselves.

    It was a tragic accident. Tragic accidents happen; and in a time of tragedy, the best human response is to have empathy, not to ride the horse of angry blame.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  66. This is no different that Obama blaming Americans for Orlando and other terrorist events.
    If America wasn’t so full of hubris, then this wouldn’t happen….. righhhhhhht.

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  67. See, many of these left wing “Social INjustice Warriors” are not about seeing improvements for minorities.
    Rather, they want to see white people suffer, die, or have their houses burn down.
    That’s the lesson from this psychotic left wing “Social INjustice Warrior.”

    She’s full of hate.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  68. Stayed in a marvelous golf condo south of Naples. There was a twenty-foot pond as part of the landscaping. It had a sign warning of snakes and gators. I made sure my granddaughter detoured.
    Seems a lot of land/water interfaces (NASA for “beach”)in Florida had signs. Disney is going to have a problem if they can’t show the same signage everybody else has.
    Were I the father, there’d not be enough booze in the world to get me to sleep.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  69. There is *no parent* who has not briefly lost track of what their kids were doing. None. It’s an impossible task, and anyone who claims they have never lost track of their kids for a few moments is simply deluding themselves.

    d

    Concur. Totally. No parent or guardian can possibly be perfect. And I’d include CPS, which has horrible mistakes. I am sure they mean well but they lose track of kids all the time. In a far more systematized way than some mom or dad who took their kid to the park or zoo. Turned their head for an instant and all of a sudden their kid isn’t on the swing. The heart leaps into the throat. But there she is over at the slide.

    I am thinking in particular of the family of the two year old boy who was recently killed by a gator at Disney World. They are surely devastated. Who surely only wanted best for their boy and long life but had no idea, being from Nebraska, they were exposing him to hungry crocodilans.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  70. Stayed in a marvelous golf condo south of Naples. There was a twenty-foot pond as part of the landscaping. It had a sign warning of snakes and gators. I made sure my granddaughter detoured.
    Seems a lot of land/water interfaces (NASA for “beach”)in Florida had signs. Disney is going to have a problem if they can’t show the same signage everybody else has.
    Were I the father, there’d not be enough booze in the world to get me to sleep.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 6/18/2016 @ 12:59 pm

    As well Disney should. IF visitors from Nebraska have much idea about alligators at all which is doubtful, they surely thought themselves safe from anything larger in terms of aquatic based predators and parasites than a mosquito.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  71. It is possible to produce signs that say, “ALLIGATORS, Swim or wade at your own risk.”

    There. I just did it.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  72. Ironically, Steve57, thousands die from mosquitoes every year but not alligators. I demand my mosquito signs!

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  73. I picked mosquitos as I am a not so secret fan of DDT.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  74. We should outlaw alligators.
    Come on, left wingers, can we get an ‘Amen’?!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  75. Here’s a post from Free Republic (Beldar FYI)

    Omar’s family members not arrested BECAUSE OF TRUMP’S “TAKE THE FAMILY” REMARK?
    http://www.FreeRepublic.com ^ | June 18, 2016 | Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
    Posted on 6/18/2016, 5:06:54 PM by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

    Has the FBI been ordered NOT to arrest Omar Mateen’s wife, brother-in-law, father and other family members for political reasons in order to AVOID HIGHLIGHTING THE WISDOM OF DONALD TRUMP?

    Remember Trump’s remarks “take the family” when speaking about terrorists and the fact that their family members often know beforehand about their planned attacks?

    Omar’s wife knew he was planning an attack and it appears as though she may have helped him scout potential attack sites. Omar sold the deed to his home to his Brother-In-Law just two months before the Orlando attack and he also refuses to say whether or not he knew about the impending attack.

    The failure of the FBI to arrest Omar’s father and brother-in-law, let alone his wife is downright PATHETIC.

    ropelight (596f46)

  76. so brienne of smarth, itself a takeoff from game of thrones, seems to have memory holed herself,

    narciso (732bc0)

  77. #whitelives?nomatter

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  78. I see bikers are apparently proving some security at the Trump rally in Az… it’s all coming together – or falling apart? – as I predicted.

    Colonel Haiku (3bf827)

  79. it’s so good how people are looking out for each other again

    food stamp was always trying to divide people

    Mr. Trump though, he brings people together – and they love it!

    happyfeet (831175)

  80. The New York Times is classic.
    When a Muslim Democrat slaughters 49 people and injures 50-some others, they say, “This is proof that Christian Republicans are violent!”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  81. this is where I got the details on brienne,

    https://writerswithoutmoney.com/2016/06/17/gorillas-gators-and-stupid-people-on-the-internet/

    but the source is nuttier than a rocky road assortment, so caveat lector.

    narciso (732bc0)

  82. Someone should put a dunce cap on her and send her to the corner.
    Is she an ethnic studies major?

    The signs say: Do Not Feed The Wildlife
    Who knew that their toddler was food. It did not say do not feed the alligators or do not wade or swim or stay 30 feet from waters edge.

    Honestly, some people are too dumb to be on a national platform like Twitter and need to go back to their old dorm and hang out there with all the other geniuses

    steveg (fed1c9)

  83. she may have been, but she is a corporate lawyer, and a hillary supporter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  84. Thanks, Dana and John

    MD in Philly (34fa24)

  85. From https://writerswithoutmoney.com/2016/06/17/gorillas-gators-and-stupid-people-on-the-internet/

    Brienne of Snarth is a bit more complex. She posts anonymously. She also tries to create the impression that she’s a black woman, not a white woman. Unlike deBoer, who’s a marginal academic living on a tight budget, she’s got plenty of money, and doesn’t really need to brand herself online as part of her career. In fact, her tweet about the child killed by the alligator at Disney World has quite possibly gotten her fired. As a corporate lawyer and an upper-middle-class white feminist who sees Clinton as shattering the glass ceiling for women, she may in fact have banged her head on that glass ceiling and given herself traumatic brain injury.

    Hillary’s natural constituent.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  86. this is why you shouldn’t have accounts in the twitter sewer

    have some self-respect

    happyfeet (831175)

  87. I think we should call her Brioche of Snatch, in that case.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. tweets are wholly insubstantial

    they’re just tiny discarded lil thought-poopies

    i do not worry about tweets

    that is who i am

    happyfeet (831175)

  89. DENVER (AP) — A Colorado woman saved her 5-year-old son’s life by prying his head from the mouth of a mountain lion that was attacking the boy in their front yard, authorities said Saturday.

    She ran outside, saw her son struggling with the animal and rushed to his aid.

    “She said the mountain lion was on top of her son, crouched down on top of him,” Buglione said. “She grabbed a paw and lifted it up, and put her right hand in its mouth to pry the boy out of its mouth so the boy could get free.”

    If it’s not gators or mosquitoes, there’s always something.

    They have this spray that’s supposed to keep the cat off the furniture.

    If it works for the couch?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  90. bad kitty

    happyfeet (831175)

  91. Well, come on here, you aren’t looking at Matt Graves through the lens of social justice.

    He is white so he is an evil oppressor of people of color.

    He is male, so he is a rapist.

    He is hetero so he is part of the patriarchy and systematized oppression of women and LGBT.

    He reproduced so he cares nothing about Mother Gaia.

    He probably took a jet to Florida indicating he ignores his carbon footprint and rejects anthropomorphic global warming so he is a denier.

    He fed his children which means dozens if not hundreds of underprivileged children around the world starved because his kid ate.

    He provided medical care to his child which deprived hundreds or thousands of those underprivileged kids of medical care.

    He earned a wage far above a living wage so he stole from those who earned less.

    Come on, the guy was clearly a monster!!!

    /sarc

    WarEagle82 (5bf75f)

  92. i hadn’t realized about the jet

    totes wokes now

    happyfeet (831175)

  93. The thing that I don’t get about articles like that, narciso,
    is they talk like the voters rejected conservatism,
    they didn’t reject conservatism,
    they rejected the impotent get along Republican party,
    the same party that also rejected Cruz as the alternative to Trump.

    Forget all of the intellectual analysis, the majority of Americans are swayed by con-artists, con-artists that the political class try to maneuver around instead of oppose.

    It really isn’t that hard, if they ignore what the people tell them, they should not be surprised when the people balk.
    Both the L and R intelligentsia think everybody should shut up and listen to them, and be grateful that we are spoken to.
    Phooey on that.

    MD in Philly (34fa24)

  94. intelligentsia lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  95. does anyone really believe in their heart that “george will” has male genitalia

    happyfeet (831175)

  96. well they rejected a view, that disdains the impact of mass economic dislocation, that thinks military expeditions can go on for ever, that has never been true, that tells us that free trade is a panacea, apriori, most of the other 16 candidates, couldn’t get around that view,

    narciso (732bc0)

  97. social justice momo-tard trash go after Madonna for not being …

    gay friendly enuff

    jesus effing wept

    happyfeet (831175)

  98. that’s a double picard facepalm,

    narciso (732bc0)

  99. oh it gets worse Mr. n

    that site is part of alloy, which is wholly owned by wb, which owns most of madonna’s catalog

    i’m just gonna leave it there without comment

    happyfeet (831175)

  100. well now that i think of it that seagram loser bought most of the catalog – i think wb only has a tiny interest anymore in the music licensing piece

    happyfeet (831175)

  101. I thought of him “george will” as a sort of owl. Eagles use to offer nuts, but they went extinct.

    On owls I have no opinion or certain knowledge.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  102. yes yes he has that blinky thing he does

    happyfeet (831175)

  103. It looks like Madonna has a production team for her twitter account.

    Wardrobe, costume changes, hair and make up, sets, light and camera crew.

    There;s a lot going on.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  104. did u see her pic with food stamp

    happyfeet (831175)

  105. wtf

    he’s so disgusting

    happyfeet (831175)

  106. she looks like a thing and he looks like a pervy pothead doober

    happyfeet (831175)

  107. Interlude with Vin Scully on Hugo Chavez:

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  108. Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/17/2016 @ 8:17 pm

    2. No swimming ≠ alligators

    The boy wasn’t even swimming. He was in 6 inches to a foot of water, busying himself knocking down sandcastles that other children had built. Then the alligator suddenly came out of the water and grabbed him.

    The sign not only said “No Swimming” but it gave a reason. One that did not involve alligators.

    When you give a reason for something, a person may think, well, that doesn’t apply to me or to what I am doing.

    The New York Post has a picture of a sign, it doesn’t say how close, on page 4 of the June 16, 2016 issue.

    The sign says, in total:

    Steep Drop-off

    Deep Water

    NO

    Swimming

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  109. Dead 2 year old boy + no gator warnings + no preventative measures following previous attempted attacks = Major league liability.

    ropelight (596f46)

  110. ropelight,

    How is Disney liable for the actions of a wild reptile?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  111. ropelight #75,

    You and Trump have a disturbing inability to understand basic conservative American principles. One of them is how our government should go about prosecuting our laws and our wars. It could certainly be true that members of Mateen’s family were aware of and participated in his plot, and they should be investigated. (They are.) It could also be that the Obama Administration doesn’t want to charge them for political reasons. If so, Obama is subverting our system and that should not be an excuse to subvert it more.

    Under the American system, there is an investigation before the government condemns the family as knowing terrorists and accomplices. It may take days, weeks, or months to complete. But Trump has never cared about facts or investigations. He jumps straight to condemning families simply because they are related.

    Does Trump’s way work? Probably, and it certainly satisfies Trump’s desire to get even with the world, but these aren’t American values. These are the terrorists’ values. And Trump’s. And apparently yours.

    DRJ (15874d)

  112. wow you phrased that as nastily and snottily as possible

    good job

    happyfeet (831175)

  113. Disney is a landowner that invites people onto its property for a fee. Landowners have a duty to warn, at a minimum, and probably a duty to protect invitees from hazardous conditions on their property. In addition, the Disney case may raise the doctrine of attractive nuusance, which would impose more duties and increased liability on Disney to protect guests from danger us condition, including animals.

    This us a very bad case for Disney in every way – on the facts, on the law, and from a PR standpoint. I expect a very large settlement offer. Disney will be fortunate if this family is willing to settle.

    DRJ (15874d)

  114. Trump has shown the same willingness to disregard American law when it comes to depriving Americans on watch lists of their gun rights. Act first and investigate later, if at all. That is not how our system works, except when Democrats like Trump and Hillary are in charge.

    DRJ (15874d)

  115. I disagree with your characterization of my comment, happyfeet, but it’s interesting to learn that you approve of nastiness.

    DRJ (15874d)

  116. i don’t think you should do the personal attacks on Mr. ropelight just for cause of how he posted an article – he didn’t even make a comment about it

    we learned about how all this works after poor victimized Michelle Fields was had downwards pulling done on her kind of

    step one Corey was charged by the popos

    but step two ultimately no charges were brought

    all you nevertrumpers roared with approval at step one as i remember

    why would emulating this process that was super awesome and constitutiony for Corey be representative of “terrorists’ values” when they’re applied to Mr. Mateen’s wife what scouted the gay nightclub abattoir with him

    happyfeet (831175)

  117. One of the reasons I supported the Iraq War was because we could fight the terrorists over there instead of here at home. Wars put civilians in danger, and now our civilians are being targeted in places like Orlando and San Bernardino.

    It was hard to strike back militarily in Iraq but it’s impossible to take military action here at home. We must rely on our police and ours laws, and that makes it harder. IMO Trump’s suggestions usurp our laws in favor of military-style responses, including actions that would not be within the ROE in an overseas war zone. It undermines our legal rights in the guise of protecting us. That is the path to anarchy or dictatorship, and I won’t go down that path willingly.

    DRJ (15874d)

  118. So saying someone doesn’t understand a concept is a personal attack, but calling someone snotty and nasty isn’t? That is Trump logic, happyfeet.

    DRJ (15874d)

  119. You are desperate to change the subject, which us another Trump characteristic. You are doing very well in your Trump classes.

    DRJ (15874d)

  120. Trumpkins, the ones here anyway, want to measure probable cause with a light meter.

    nk (dbc370)

  121. i think your comment was a personal attack for no reason and i think the comment was phrased in a nasty way (asserting Mr. ropelight shares the values of terrorists) and a snotty way (asserting that Mr. ropelight is too dumb? ignorant? hillary-averse? trump-besotted? “to understand basic conservative American principles”

    i think you can do better maybe you’re having heat wave scorcher done on you and it making you grumpy?

    happyfeet (831175)

  122. You are desperate to change the subject, which us another Trump characteristic. You are doing very well in your Trump classes.

    Yes, yes, it is. You tell a Trumpkin that Trump stole $1.00 and he’ll argue how much it was in Euros under the “buy” and “sell” rates.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. i’m so disgusted how pajamas media is using the pic of the kid that got eaten as click bait

    happyfeet (831175)

  124. It’s very pleasant here, happyfeet, but thank you for your concern and allow me to reciprocate: There have been several stories in the news recently that are bad for Trump. I know they are disappointing to his supporters, and I’m sure it makes you all more sensitive than usual.

    DRJ (15874d)

  125. Madonna has been a cipher for Hillary within the music world for ages. In secret, I bet she yearns for the Cafone her male relatives might be or have been.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  126. 124. happyfeet (831175) — 6/19/2016 @ 8:55 am

    No, he didn’t get eaten, not even a little bit. The alligator spit him out, less than 50 feet away, and I’m beginning to get the idea that that is what an alligator would do all the time. A human being is not quite the food it is looking for, but an alligator is too stupid to tell that in advance.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  127. ropelight (596f46) — 6/19/2016 @ 6:19 am

    no preventative measures following previous attempted attacks

    They kept on capturing and killing alligators that got into the lagoons. Disney didn’t want to scare people away, though, and wanted everything to look very friendly and non-dangerous. Disney’s luck ran out. People from Florida knew there was a danger of alligators, though, and didn’t need to be warned to stay away from the water.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  128. yes yes i hate how everyone is being mean on Mr. Trump when he’s the only one what can save us from another filthy ivy leaguer sitting in failmerica’s pitiful discredited white house and perverting our country more and more and more

    she’s a soggy geriatric trashbiscuit and an uncommonly angry bitter and hateful one as well

    do say nothing of being a criminal

    whereas Mr. Trump is a representative normal American what prospered in spite of multiple layers of fascist government what hate-rapes prosperity at every turn

    he’s not a criminal like she is

    his whole life hasn’t been about enriching himself by leveraging access and privileges afforded by sleazy failmerican government offices and positions

    he’s a plum lolly and a fun guy to boot

    he’s unmistakably American whereas soggycrotch would be super at home and warmly embraced in the fascist amoral warrens of the EU bureaucracy or the sleazy corrupt hallways of the United Nations

    i think of Trump aversion as another exemplar the typical failmerican cowardice this sad country is becoming so famous for

    frightened of carbon dioxide molecules scared of space programs

    cowering at the very thought of GMOs

    unable to go outside cause of fracking might get you

    what’s wrong with taking a chance on letting some rough around the edges non-ivy leaguer real american do the presidency, especially knowing the alternative

    this is why checks and this is why balances

    the only way out is through cause of every dog has his day

    the people are gonna take this country back from the harvardtrash and the yalefilth

    2016 2020 2024

    it don’t matter

    the writing’s on the wall though the people have spoken

    no more filthy ivy leaguers are gonna get nominated by Team R unless they upend the nominating process entirely

    their kind is no longer welcome

    i thought this was well done Mr. urban

    I think you’re wrong about her being a cipher the failmerican left has turned on her pretty viciously

    whatever you thought about her music and stuff she exported a vibrant and muscular individualism to the whole whirl that was, like Mr. Trump, unmistakably brash and American

    they’ve come to hate her for that i think, plus she’s white

    they hate that too

    happyfeet (831175)

  129. No, he didn’t get eaten, not even a little bit.

    that’s the smallest of mercies but somehow still nice to know Mr. F

    happyfeet (831175)

  130. *to* say nothing of being a criminal i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  131. Trumpkins, the ones here anyway, want to measure probable cause with a light meter.

    Some of them want to measure lots of things with a light meter. Not all Trumpkins are racists, but all racists are Trumpkins.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  132. Happy does long form.

    I just did one too, but now it’s like what do I do with this extra watermelon???

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  133. Cause too many 1000 word essays. You know that already.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  134. As for Disney being liable, I think that they are constrained by Florida’s environmental laws to some extent. They cannot clear out the alligators and they probably cannot wall off the beaches. Really their only safe course, if found liable, would be to abandon the venture.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  135. <a href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=watermelon+caprese&qpvt=watermelon+caprese&qpvt=watermelon+caprese&qpvt=watermelon+caprese&FORM=IGREhere go Mr. papertiger

    i jazz mine up with just a lil garnish of finely diced fresh jalapeno

    happyfeet (831175)

  136. oh dear that’s an oogy mess

    happyfeet (831175)

  137. 118One of the reasons I supported the Iraq War was because we could fight the terrorists over there instead of here at home. Wars put civilians in danger, and now our civilians are being targeted in places like Orlando and San Bernardino.

    There’s no great need to fight the terrorists anywhere. Just keep them out of the US.

    And I would think it is now obvious that the second Iraq War was a big mistake.

    James B. Shearer (0015e9)

  138. Some of them want to measure lots of things with a light meter. Not all Trumpkins are racists, but all racists are Trumpkins.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/19/2016 @ 10:16 am

    You keep getting more and more radical as time goes by. The above statement has to be one of the most bigoted statements you’ve made. You’re calling everyone who is a racist a Trump supporter? Al Sharpton is a racist, does he support Trump? Do all those BLM racists support Trump? Your hatred of Trump is making you say and think more and more radically leftist ideas as time goes on. You have jumped the shark and are headed for pathological hatred.

    What’s next, not all Trumpkins have gone bankrupt, but all who went bankrupt are Trumpkins. Or how about, all Trumpkins aren’t liars, but all liars are Trumpkins?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  139. Hoagie,

    Obviously you take sport in misinterpreting things to make stupid points. Have fun.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  140. R.I.P Anton Yelchin, 27. Checkov, new Star Trek movies. Car accident.

    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/19/anton-yelchin-dead-dies

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  141. FREAK car accident.

    Actor Anton Yelchin, perhaps best known for his role in the new “Star Trek” films, died early Sunday after his vehicle rolled down his Studio City driveway and trapped the actor against a mailbox, authorities confirmed.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-me-anton-yelchin-20160619-snap-story.html

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  142. “Not all Trumpkins are racists, but all racists are Trumpkins.”

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/19/2016 @ 10:16 am

    Utter and complete horsesh*t.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. Put a goddam Hillary 2016 button on and be done with it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. …How is Disney liable for the actions of a wild reptile?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/19/2016 @ 7:53 am

    Let us count the ways.

    They’re responsible for creating the situation in the first place. That resort and spa wasn’t built in alligator habitat. Disney manufactured the alligator habitat they call the “Seven Seas Lagoon.” It wasn’t there 60 years ago. They built it 50 years ago, and connected it to natural alligator habitat by a series of canals.

    They effin’ invited the gators to the hotel. For the dining convenience of the gators, which are illegally fed by the Disney resort and spas guests. We can know this because former and perhaps current workers (anonymously) have come forward and said there has long been a problem with the guests feeding the gators. It is illegal to feed wild alligators in Florida. Did Disney ever call the cops on their guests who violated the law? Dunno. I expect an investigation would reveal as much.

    I suspect that Disney will just suck it up and settle the inevitable and in this case well deserved lawsuit because I don’t see how they have an effective defense. They have possible defenses, but every one I can think of can be turned around and used to devastating effect. For instance, one defense for NOT HAVING SIGNS WARNING OF GATORS would be that in FL there are gators everywhere. If you’re near water your near gators. So they didn’t need to have signs saying BEWARE OF ALLIGATOR any more than they needed signs on their balconies warning of gravity.

    OK, lets examine this possible defense. First of all, gravity works the same way whether you’re in FL or AK. Alligators do not. And this family was from Nebraska where they do not have alligators. The Disney people who built that alligator habitat, unwittingly and innocently no doubt, did so without imagining it would later be filled with alligators. Through the canals they dug to the natural alligator habitat, imagining the system would only bring the water they wanted and nothing they didn’t want. Like, gators.

    50 years ago when the Disney people built this artificial water system alligators were endangered. But even then biologists could have told them there’s no way to keep gators out of a body of water when they want into that water. I could have told them, as hunter, that the one place you can always find deer when hunting season starts is the land of a farmer who doesn’t hunt. All animals know their “safe spaces.”

    I just don’t see putting the blame on the Nebraska family for what they should have known about alligators working for the Disney people who should have known they were creating an alligator refuge next to a hotel. And I can’t think of anything that will work for Disney.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  145. Kevin M,

    You’re approaching parody.
    The Left actually uses race as a defining characteristic.
    Trump supporters merely want to conduct the same approach to national borders that Mexico keeps with Guatemala, that China keeps with North Korea, and that Saudi Arabia keeps with the entire world.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  146. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/08/alligator-found-with-body-in-its-mouth-near-florida-lake.html

    Nobody knows how the gator got the body, and nobody knows how the body got dead. So, when you read the story you’ll see nobody is exactly willing to put 2 and 2 together and make 4.

    This is why the stats for lethal crocodilian attacks on human beings fall woefully short of the mark. Say a coroner determines the man drowned. Did the gator drown him? That is how gators kill their prey. But as far as I know, being a layman with just enough knowledge of diving physiology to be dangerous, there is no way to tell if he was just a lousy swimmer or because the gator grabbed him and pulled him under. Bite marks + drowning = inconclusive. Unless you have witnesses, that’s how it goes.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  147. I took down my Confederate flag (which you can’t buy on eBay any more), tossed the Don’t Tread on Me flag and peeled the NRA sticker off the front door. I gave the pit bull to my mother-in-law and stored my gun. I then disconnected my home alarm system and quit the candy-ass Neighborhood Watch.

    Instead of all that silly stuff, I bought two Pakistani flags and put one at each corner of the front yard. Then I purchased the black flag of ISIS (which you CAN buy on eBay) and ran it up the flag pole. Now, the local police, Sherriff, FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, Secret Service and other agencies are all watching my house 24/7. I’ve NEVER felt safer and I’m saving $69.95 a month that ADT used to charge me. Plus, I bought burkas for my family. When we shop or travel everyone moves out of the way and security can’t pat us down.

    Hot Damn — safe at last — Is this a great country, or what?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  148. …And I would think it is now obvious that the second Iraq War was a big mistake.

    James B. Shearer (0015e9) — 6/19/2016 @ 10:27 am

    Please explain how you have convinced yourself there was a second Iraq war.

    Do you imagine armistices end wars? Do you imagine if the fighting escalates on the Korean peninsula tomorrow that would constitute a “second” Korean war? Then explain why over the past few decades troops patrolling the DMZ have periodically been authorized to receive combat pay for participating in a war that never ended. Since by your personal standards the “first” Korean war ended in 1953.

    If that’s the case please explain what the **** that DMZ is doing there.

    I would have hoped that by now we should have learned that leaving your business unfinished, abandoning your allies in the field, and replenishing your enemies while they remain in the field, should have taught us a lesson. That should have been obvious. Your comment, Mr. Shearer, shows that the obvious has not dawned on you. You are not alone. Hence two terms of Obama, and the pending showdown between criminal contenders Hillary! and Trump.

    We have exactly the government we deserve because they have been elected by amnesiacs and denialists.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  149. While my heart bleeds for the family that had their two year old playing in the water at 10PM (WTF?), I’m not sure that Disney is liable for a reptile which slinks out of a waterway. There’s a difference between governing one’s “property” VS governing one’s property which happens to be adjacent to a waterway.

    If I get stung by a bee in a McDonald’s parking lot, do they have liability?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  150. Mr. Shearer, I don’t bear any personal animus against you. I’m sure you are a decent man.

    Just like Bush1 is a decent man. But he cut the fighting of the first and only Iraq war prematurely short when, according to people I trust, he saw photos and video of the Highway of Death. He decided the Iraqis had had enough.

    They had not had enough. As demonstrated when they fired at our aircraft enforcing what we over optimistically and in direct contradiction to the evidence called a cease fire.

    How hard is this to understand? Cease fire agreements, armistices, do not end wars. They simply put a temporary end to the active killing. A recess. Peace treaties between governments end wars, not cease fire agreements which are only between military and naval forces.

    Half-@$$ed efforts only multiply problems. That should be obvious. Bush1’s emotions led him to quit early. My personal motto has since been if you’re not willing to go all the way to Baghdad an finish the job, don’t get involved in the first place.

    It is true that Obama screwed everything up and created the Islamic State by precipitously withdrawing troops in, what, 2010 or 2011. But, WTFO! The Iraq war started in 1990. How was it still there for him to screw up?

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  151. …While my heart bleeds for the family that had their two year old playing in the water at 10PM (WTF?), I’m not sure that Disney is liable for a reptile which slinks out of a waterway. There’s a difference between governing one’s “property” VS governing one’s property which happens to be adjacent to a waterway.

    If I get stung by a bee in a McDonald’s parking lot, do they have liability?
    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/19/2016 @ 12:57 pm

    If Mickey Dee’s built the perfect beehive in that parking lot, and knew the bees had infested it, then yeah, they’re liable.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  152. …While my heart bleeds for the family that had their two year old playing in the water at 10PM

    By “the water” you mean the artificial lake that Disney put in and by doing so created alligator habitat?

    Yeah, that water. That’s what I’m talking about. Howzabout I dig a pond for your kids to play around, and not tell you I’ve connected it to shark-infested ocean?

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  153. Cruz Supporter, you should understand how all this works by now. The parents sue, the lawyers posture themselves, Disney pays out money, everybody goes home happy. The parents got some bucks to assuage their loss, the lawyers got a glob of someone else’s money and the horrible capitalist company was taught a lesson.

    If Disney didn’t post signs, they should have.
    If Disney had posted signs, they were the wrong signs.
    If Disney posted the right signs, they were too small to read.
    If Disney posted the right size signs, they were too high to see.
    If Disney posted the right level signs, they should be in Spanish too.
    If they posted the right signs, of the right size, level, height and language, then Disney was under the obligation to expect them to be ignored and they lose anyhow.

    Wait till they have to put up “Beware of the Mosquitoes” signs because Florida has Zika Virus. After all how are people coming from areas that have no mosquitoes supposed to be aware?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  154. I understand your points, Steve, I just think we have to be careful about assigning liability to Disney for the unpredictable actions of wild reptiles. How many incidents have their been since this resort/lagoon was constructed?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  155. …their two year old playing in the water at 10PM (WTF?)…

    Guilty as charged. The parents are absolutely guilty of letting their kid stay up past his bed time while they vacationed at the “magic kingdom.”

    I’m still waiting for someone to voxsplain me why it was necessary for Disney to build alligator habitat on the doorstep of their hotel.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  156. …I just think we have to be careful about assigning liability to Disney for the unpredictable actions of wild reptiles…

    Exactly. Wild reptiles are unpredictable. Which is why you don’t invite them to your hotel by digging canals so they can swim right up to it.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  157. Rev. Hoagie, I wish you nothing but the best for your health. Which is why I’m going to let your comment @154 slide on the possibility that it does not represent your best thinking while firing on all eight cylinders.

    Why was that lake even there? God didn’t create it. Disney did. And, I’ve stayed in plenty of hotels that were perfectly fine, even luxurious and, no lakes. Swimming pools yes.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  158. disney was remiss, the parents were as well,

    narciso (732bc0)

  159. 151

    Half-@$$ed efforts only multiply problems. That should be obvious. Bush1’s emotions led him to quit early. My personal motto has since been if you’re not willing to go all the way to Baghdad an finish the job, don’t get involved in the first place.

    GHWB thought the job was to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait which he accomplished. I have no idea what GWB was trying to do.

    James B. Shearer (0015e9)

  160. Cruz Supporter,

    The law recognizes what you are saying. It’s called Intervening and Superceding Cause. You may not be responsible if you do something negligent but then something occurs that is not reasonably foreseeable. The classic example is where you negligently injure someone on a car wreck and the other driver is taken to the hospital with minor injuries, but he dies because of a hospital/doctor error. Medical malpractice is possible anytime but it is not reasonable to expect it will happen, or people would never go to the hospital. Thus, the medical malpractice would be an intervening cause that supercedes your liability for the other driver’s death — although you would still be liable for damage to his car, etc.

    Thus, the issue is whether it was reasonable for Disney to anticipate there might be alligators in the Lagoon and that the alligators might pose a threat to Disney’s guests. I think the answer to each is Yes.

    Another example might be something like this: Assume the child had been killed by a pet that a guest brought into the Park against the rules — I don’t think Disney allows pets, only service animals — might that be an intervening cause that would release or limit Disney’s liability? Possibly. Especially since Disney offers pet care and assuming the Disney employees were not aware the pet was in the Park.

    Ingenrral, the issue is whether what happened is reasonably foreseeable, and whether the property owner took reasonable steps to protect guests from harm. With the pet example, Disney took reasonable steps to offer guests accommodations for pets and had a rule that pets are not allowed. But in the alligator incident, Disney did not seem to do much to warn, protect, or otherwise protect guests from a known hazard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  161. you have to get the alligator man to come get all the alligators

    happyfeet (831175)

  162. If the Tr4umpies LIKED what I posted, I’d be hurt. That I strike a nerve and they respond with outrage is praise enough.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  163. you’re ruining father’s day with your callous insouciance

    happyfeet (831175)

  164. Or, in a silly example, assume the child was killed by a giant octopus. That is not a reasonably foreseeable threat at this location and it may well be an intervening cause.

    However, there is still the issue of the adequacy of Disney’s warning. I’m sure the guests would argue Disney should have warned about hazards in the water and that it was negligent of Disney to post “No Swimming” signs when it was dangerous to even wade in the water — since a reasonable guest might think wading is allowed even if swimming isn’t. But (to address Hoagie’s concern), while it’s reasonable to expect Disney to clearly state its rules regarding using the Lagoon, it would not be reasonable to expect Disney to identify and warn about every potential predator.

    DRJ (15874d)

  165. Steve57, you misconstrue. Disney was at fault, of that there is no doubt. At least to me. They were wrong in that they foolishly failed to consider the idea of having humans and wildlife cohabitate is at its core stupid. My sarcastic comment was only my way of opining about how the lawyers will determine culpability.

    I have no idea why they needed a lake.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  166. Wait till they have to put up “Beware of the Mosquitoes” signs because Florida has Zika Virus.

    Beware of each mosquito, with individual holograms following them.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  167. It’s up to Disney to decide the rules for using its Lagoon. If it let people wade in an unprotected area of a Lagoon that they know has alligators, a reasonable jury might decide there should have been a warning that it was dangerous or that it should be prohibited.

    DRJ (15874d)

  168. Sorry to interrupt the bashing lawyers thread. My mistake.

    DRJ (15874d)

  169. I hear what you guys are saying, and DRJ you’re a well-regarded lawyer, so you’ve explained the legal aspects.

    I’ve never been there to Disney World, so I’m unfamiliar with “the lay of the land” of this particular resort.
    But I do have great familiarity with Disneyland. At Disneyland, if someone trips on a blade of glass, they have two representatives come out and take immediate statements from the “aggrieved” party as well as everyone standing within 50 feet of the incident. They leave nothing to chance, and their lawyers work every angle of every angle. So that’s why I’m a little hesitant to believe that their counterparts in Orlando have been so loosey-goosey with the prospect of predatory alligators. It may turn out they are totally negligent, but based on the predicate set by Disneyland, it would be a little shocking. Naturally, I’m very saddened that a precious little toddler was killed. I’m not marginalizing that fact in any way.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  170. This is a tough crowd to talk with anymore. Is it worth it? Probably not until after the election, if then.

    DRJ (15874d)

  171. Cruz Supporter,

    In theory, theme parks are like airplanes and trains. You have no control over what happens once you enter so the park/carrier must exercise the utmost care to protect their patrons.

    DRJ (15874d)

  172. … I have no idea what GWB was trying to do.

    James B. Shearer (0015e9) — 6/19/2016 @ 2:37 pm

    Neither do I, sir. Twenty years on and I still have no idea what Bush1 could have possibly hoped to accomplish. And, I didn’t then. This isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking. We stopped, and I was like, “what the h3ll do you mean we’re stopping?”

    Have you not heard variations of “If you’re going to shoot the king, you’ve got to kill him” or “If you shoot at a king you must kill him?” We reject the accrued wisdom of the ages at our peril.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  173. the reality was like kurtz, in apocalypse world, all the world, went into supporting saddam,
    and they had to push him back, when he transgressed, but like a rabid dog, you put him down,
    yet we waited another decade, as the salafism campaign, penetrated the core baathists,

    narciso (732bc0)

  174. …Steve57, you misconstrue. Disney was at fault, of that there is no doubt. At least to me. They were wrong in that they foolishly failed to consider the idea of having humans and wildlife cohabitate is at its core stupid. My sarcastic comment was only my way of opining about how the lawyers will determine culpability.

    I have no idea why they needed a lake.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/19/2016 @ 2:53 pm

    I sincerely apologize for the mistake on my part. I also do not think the people at Disney are monsters. But they did create the situation. Long before someone came up with the biographical math that 2 + 2 = 4, true. Still, they own it.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  175. 173… Twenty years on and I still have no idea what Bush1 could have possibly hoped to accomplish. …

    He wanted to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he did.

    Have you not heard variations of “If you’re going to shoot the king, you’ve got to kill him” or “If you shoot at a king you must kill him?” We reject the accrued wisdom of the ages at our peril.

    That’s because the king’s forces are stronger than you and your only chance of winning is a surprise attack that defeats them before they can get organized. This doesn’t apply to Hussein and Iraq, we had no need to catch them by surprise.

    James B. Shearer (0015e9)

  176. Facts are lacking.
    It is clear that this was a tragedy.
    It is clear that this is a rare occurrence.
    Was there a general warning about gators but not directly at the pond that they should have seen?
    IDK the answers to any of those things.

    MD in Philly (34fa24)

  177. Concerning the Rev.’s comment,
    While it only takes a few bad apples to give the whole bushel a bad smell,
    Of the lawyers and judges who I have dealt with in person, at least 33% if not more have made me believe that one needs a lot of money to get a fair shake in the legal system,
    apart from trusting in God’s direct intervention,
    which I have,
    one would hope to have more confidence in human mediators.

    MD in Philly (34fa24)

  178. Twenty years on and I still have no idea what Bush1 could have possibly hoped to accomplish. …

    He wanted to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he did.

    Then why didn’t we have a peace treaty with Iraq and be done with it? If we only wanted Iraq out of Kuwait there was no basis for ANY of the conditions we half-@$$ed imposed on Iraq in the Safwan accords. Again, do try to deal with reality.

    What, for example, were the no fly zones for, if we had already achieved everything?

    There is so much more I could bring to the table. I think that should be enough while you are bent over that table by the king you deny is bending you over the table per the rules you would rather imagine don’t apply. So let’s keep things simple.

    Why did President Clinton launch operation Desert Fox in 1998 if we had completed our Iraqi business, as you contend, in 1991? According to you, we were done.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  179. Re the 2 year old out 10pm meme, these folks were from Nebraska and might have been keeping time by TV show (show that starts at 9p over there starts at 10p in FL, Pensacola excepted). Got an earful from a lady whom I called at 11:00pm to ask about an apartment for rent in Columbus OH because I forgot that it wasn’t 10pm like Chicago, having figured the news was about to start.

    urbanleftbehind (1bfd6e)

  180. You are proving my point, James B. Shearer. You’d rather stick to the ahistorical, easily disproven narrative as sold by the BS artists than do the hard work of dealing with the facts.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  181. #158, Steve asked:

    Why was that lake even there? God didn’t create it. Disney did. And, I’ve stayed in plenty of hotels that were perfectly fine, even luxurious and, no lakes. Swimming pools yes.

    Most likely the “artificial lake” was created as a dump for the resort’s treated sewage. It’s not at all unusual in Florida. They’re all over the place, hundreds and hundreds in the sunshine State, about 5 or 6 within a mile of my house. Little ones for motels, and big ones for resorts.

    The watertable is too high for septic tanks, the land won’t perk, so the sewage gets a first stage treatment on land then the simi-treated waste mixed with gray water is piped to a holding pond, or a lake. The resultant sludge pond attracts both predators and prey.

    ropelight (596f46)

  182. I suspect Disney is in regular contact with the grieving family and has an offer prepared should the family decide to sue. I doubt a suit will make it to court as that is the last thing Disney wants. I also suspect any terms will be sealed and will never see the light of day.

    And Disney will increase their anti-gator efforts by one or two orders of magnitude and adjust their signs.

    WarEagle82 (5bf75f)

  183. …Most likely the “artificial lake” was created as a dump for the resort’s treated sewage.

    Speaking of sewage, you arte full of it.

    There was no resort. There was no sewage. Once we dispense with your stupidity the only question left to answer is how far is it possible to shove one’s head up one’s own arse.

    And your only input is to claim that no matter what ever limit some court of inquiry concludes, it is still farther. A lot farther. We have not yet begun to to describe the depths.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  184. DRJ (15874d) — 6/19/2016 @ 3:01 pm

    Don’t I know it! It is much easier to just read, and either shake my head or nod it.

    felipe (6bb3ce)

  185. No resort? Looks like a resort to me. Type Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort and Spa into your search engine. There’s a nice colorful picture of the resort with a partial view of the channel connecting Disney’s artificial lake with the larger Bay lake.

    ropelight (596f46)

  186. I an not trying to be a d**k about this. Wild animals, predators in particular though not exclusively, are either dangerous or they are not.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  187. Steve, are you on anti-depressant meds, or seeing a shrink?

    ropelight (596f46)

  188. @188, I see you rank right up there with the Texans I lovingly refer to as not knowing the meaning of the word fear.

    Yes.

    Just like they don’t know the meaning of the word “yield” when I am getting off a freeway. And all the signs say “yield.”

    The state bird of Texas should be the one I get flipped in the Kroger parking lot by the chick haphazardly navigating the Suburban who while talking on the cell phone subsequently developed an interest in going 60 that she didn’t have hogging the fast lane on the freeway.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  189. And I like Texas. But nothing is perfect.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  190. You haven’t lived until you’ve nearly died by being broadsided by some chick blowing a red light in Suburban or Excursion, no hands on the wheel, one hand holding the cell phone the other giving you the finger.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  191. Apparently as soon as you pickle out a kid the Altima just won’t do because you need at least two delivery trucks full of loads of birth control and diapers, right now, all the time.

    This seems to come with all-included-package that comes with the disdain for traffic laws, you cisgendered patriarchal xtofascist Islamophobe!

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  192. I didn’t see that Tillman responded to my request for clarification of his comment below. Anyone seen him??

    The GOP just nominated a flat-out bigot as the head of its party, and yet you choose to cry foul about this?

    Mark Tillman (a95660) — 6/18/2016 @ 9:29 am

    Dana (995455)

  193. I found a 10 to 12 foot gator swimming in the lagoon near the Polynesian village on google maps.

    If there was a way to link maps I’d show you.
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Disney's+Grand+Floridian+Resort+%26+Spa/@28.4068629,-81.5863145,301m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x7477d584ef47a501!8m2!3d28.41092!4d-81.5880228

    Don’t know if that’s going to do it. Lot of zoom involved.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  194. In my corner of NE Illinois the female driver of the Suburban is a 5 foot nothing morra of a narco or construction magnate with Wiscy license plates (last of the state’s to not mandate liability insurance with vehicle registration.

    urbanleftbehind (2096b1)

  195. It’s the stretch of white beach left of the boat dock. In the water silhouetted by the sand.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  196. searching the shoreline of Disney’s resort in google maps and Bing maps one thing you notice is nobody is swimming. Their nice manicured with beach chairs all in a row.
    Nobody.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  197. A boy was attacked by a puma in Colorado yesterday. Mom pried him out of the pumas mouth. Hopefully she will not be condemned for this bit there’s no telling these days.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  198. http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/06/9-foot-alligator-spotted-in-lewisville-lake-drainage-ditch.html/

    I have as much problem with alligators as I do with scorpions, rattlesnakes, tarantulas, bears, and cougars. None.

    I have to caveat this by saying I am not talking about the female of the human species cougar. Sadly I have grown too elderly to be attractive to the human predator. And in the case of spiders, oddly the bigger it gets the less of a problem I have with it. I’ll scream like a girl if a little one suddenly skitters across my hands as I’m typing away in one or the should-have-been-condemned-in-WWII buildings or tunnels the Navy had me slave away in for much of my career.

    When the arachnid gets dinner plate size, I’m like, “Throw it in the fire, I’ll eat it later.” Tastes like crab, but you have to burn the hairs off. An artifact of my youth, when visiting a potential father-in-law in rural northern Thailand, I discovered that after enough Chang Mai whiskey I could eat just about anything.

    But enough about my youth. If I’m running the “magic kingdom,” I’d feel obligated to warn people if there are things in the water beyond my control.

    Steve57 (ecac13)

  199. * after enough Chang Mai whiskey I could eat just about anything…

    Works the same way with haggis. So nobody bring up the “white privilege” BS. Open a phone book or do an internet search and see how many Thai restaurants there are within reach as opposed to Scots restaurants.

    I rest my privileged white case.

    Steve57 (ecac13)

  200. 178. MD in Philly (34fa24) — 6/19/2016 @ 3:44 pm <blockquote. Facts are lacking.
    It is clear that this was a tragedy.
    It is clear that this is a rare occurrence.
    Was there a general warning about gators but not directly at the pond that they should have seen? We could use a few more facts, but we have some, some not published too often.

    For instance I have read that, in all, 23 people were killed (as opposed to attacked, injured or maimed) by alligators in Florida – but one source says this total goes back to 1948 and another says 1973. The 23 people are said to be 15 adults and 8 children. Child is not defined. The last two are said to have been in 2007 and 2015.

    Closer or more extensive reading reveals that they don’t count cases where the person killed was at fault. For instance somebody running from a burglary (he committed?) who drowned after being attacked by an alligator is not counted among the 23 dead.

    Or maybe that’s the 2015 incident:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/08/alligator-kills-florida-burglary-suspect-hiding-cops/76966512/

    one newspaper stories says he was eaten, but other sstories indicate the alligator on;y took a bite of him.

    Except there seems to be a different incident earlier in 2015:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/swimmer-found-dead-florida-was-killed-alligator-officials-confirm-n448906

    Only one of those two was counted.

    It looks like somebody’s in the government of Florida is fudging the Florida numbers. Officials concerned with tourism?

    There is at least one addirional cases listed here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_alligator_attacks_in_the_United_States

    Richard Zachary Taylor, 72, male, on or about June 5, 2016, in Lakeland Florida. Apparently it was determined by detectives that there was insufficient evidence to indict the alligator because there was no corrobation of the report that an alligator had a man in his mouth, so maybe he just drowned. Although they did find some human remains that matched the victim inside the alligator. Maybe it is just that the database wasn’t yet updated.

    It does seem that an alligator never completely eats a human being. One good taste, and it spits the person out.

    http://www.wildanimalpark.org/what-do-alligators-eat/

    Alligators will also attack and kill domesticated animals like dogs, goats and calves when the opportunity provides itself. Though they shy away from humans, there have been many instances when alligators have attacked and killed humans. These attacks mostly take place when humans are squatting at the water’s edge and the alligator mistakes it for a small animal. An alligator will also attack humans when cornered.

    I guess alligators can’t, or don’t, chew very much and a human being is too big to swallow in one gulp. Or maybe it really doesn’t like dogs or cats either very much but swallows them whole before it realizes that.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  201. I didn’t end the first quote in the previous message. Thw words starting with “For instance I have read that..” are mine.

    There were different versions as to how long it took to find the boy’s body. I read 15 hours, 16 hours and 17 hours. I read that this happened at around 10 pm (that’s why this was not in the next day’s newspaper – somebody asked me that morning) and he was found at 1 pm. So there you get 15 hours. But he was really found at 1:45. So there is the explanation for 16 hours. But he really was attacked close to 9 pm – so there we have 17 hours. They didn’t actually get his body out of the water until 3 pm though.

    Sunset in Miami is about 8:10 pm this time of year. It should be a little bit later in Orlando, which is both north and west of Miami. But the sun had definitely set at the time when the alligator went out of the water.

    There are notices, elsewhere at Disney World, not to feed the alligators, but no explanation as to why; or a warning that they could grab somebody’s leg, or little children. There was a notice not to swim somewhere nearby, but the explanation goven was that there was a steep drop-off into deep water.

    The boy was not swimming, and he didn’t venture into more than into water 6 inches to a foot deep.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  202. I think I’m drawing a logical distinction. It is one thing to go to a national park. It is another to vay-cay at a theme park.

    If you visit Denali you may well expect to be killed by a griz. That’s what you went to Alaska to see.

    I tend to spend my vacation dollars in such places. I save my pennies so I can go to places like Africa or Alaska and hunt things that other ugly critters like me hunt, and if we bump into each other and I come up short neither I nor my estate will be asking for a refund.

    On the other hand, you go to a theme park like Disney world, as you are getting strapped in to your tea cup for the kiddie ride getting your throat ripped out by a baboon is probably the furthest thing from your mind.

    Steve57 (ecac13)

  203. …I guess alligators can’t, or don’t, chew very much and a human being is too big to swallow in one gulp. Or maybe it really doesn’t like dogs or cats either very much but swallows them whole before it realizes that.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4) — 6/20/2016 @ 7:08 am

    I have gleaned from your comments that you may not be as rednecked as me. If I am correct in my surmises r.e. you, you should have available natural history museums.

    Saurians can not chew. Their teeth are designed to do one thing and one thing only. Grab. The teeth look like and function like rail road spikes. I do not recommend you try this on a living crocodilian, but if you examine the dentition you will find nothing resembling molars that would facilitate chewing. Just rail road spikes.

    What happens, under ideal saurian conditions, is the gator or croc kills something by dragging it under and drowning it. If it is too big to gulp down at one sitting it tucks it away. If you’ve seen nature shows you may have heard of “death rolls.” It is not really a planned technique. It’s the only way a crocodilian can eat. It has to pull its prey apart, if the prey is too big to gulp down in one piece. Ideally, this is aided by decomposition. Competition will interfere with this schedule. Otherwise, the gator is patient and lets time do it’s work.

    This is no doubt why recovery divers found the boy intact. The gator that killed him was big enough he didn’t need to eat him in a hurry.

    Steve57 (ecac13)

  204. Steve57 (ecac13) — 6/20/2016 @ 8:38 am

    Saurians can not chew. Their teeth are designed to do one thing and one thing only. Grab.

    That explains it. They can’t chew at all. Is that because their jaws can only go up and down?

    What happens, under ideal saurian conditions, is the gator or croc kills something by dragging it under and drowning it.

    That explains something further. It’s deliberately drowning something.

    If it is too big to gulp down at one sitting it tucks it away. If you’ve seen nature shows you may have heard of “death rolls.”

    No. The only death roll I heard of was a list of people set for execution.

    I found this:

    http://saltwatercrocodiles.homestead.com/crocodiledeathroll.html

    It’s a crocodile rolling its body so as to kill something. The same roll is also used to separate limbs later.

    It has to pull its prey apart, if the prey is too big to gulp down in one piece. Ideally, this is aided by decomposition.

    It can’t chew, but it can cut, with some difficulty?

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  205. Someone told me that the highway, going east-west across Florida, from Miami to Tampas, is known as “Alligator Alley.”

    That’s about what I know about alligators in Florida.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  206. The mouth is more like a vice than a scissors. It’s supposed to be like someone parks a car on your hand. Then they twist you around until the hand comes loose. How many twirls would it take?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  207. For that, the crocodile would have to wedge you down, or rely on gravity for that, so you wouldn’t turn with the part it was trying to break off. Sounds like the mouth is a wrench.

    The New York Post from Thursday reported that there was an outdoor movie event there. There were other kids playing (and not paying attention to the movie?) and it quoted a resort guest as saying the 2-year old (‘the little guy’) was knocking down their sandcastles. All of a sudden an alligator came up that fast.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  208. For that, the crocodile would have to wedge you down, or rely on gravity for that, so you wouldn’t turn with the part it was trying to break off.

    Sammy, as I mentioned, a little bit of decomposition goes a long way in this regard. If the gator is big enough to keep it’s prey all to itself.

    Did you notice the word “competition” I dragged into the discussion @206?

    If two or more gators are pulling on the same carcass, no gravity is required to hold anything down for this feeding method to work. It’s a simple, basic, yet functional design.

    Steve57 (ecac13)


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