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6/15/2016

Hillary Clinton To The Gay Community: “You Have Millions Of Allies Who Will Always Have Your Back. And I Am One Of Them.” (Just Don’t Ask Me About Taking All That Money From Nations That Kill People Like You…)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:20 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s post-Orlando remarks:

The third area that demands attention is preventing radicalization, and countering efforts by ISIS and other international terrorist networks to recruit in the United States and Europe.

For starters, it is long past time for the Saudis, the Qataris, the Kuwaitis and others to stop their citizens from funding extremist organizations. And they should stop supporting radical schools and mosques around the world that have set too many young people on a path toward extremism.

Still, as I have said before, none of us can close our eyes to the fact that we do face enemies who use their distorted version of Islam to justify slaughtering innocent people. They’d take us all back to the Stone Age if they could, just as they have in parts of Iraq and Syria.

Here are 10 countries where homosexuality can be punishable by death: Mauritania, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

In the following countries, homosexual acts can be punishable by death:

Afghanistan: Death penalty laws exist but are unlikely to be implemented, according to the 2015 IGLA report.

Brunei: Brunei has adopted a death penalty (stoning) for homosexual acts and plans to implement it in 2016.

Iran: In accordance with sharia law, homosexual intercourse between men can be punished by death, and men can be flogged for lesser acts such as kissing. Women may be flogged.

Iraq: The penal code does not expressly prohibit homosexual acts, but people have been killed by militias and sentenced to death by judges citing sharia law.

Mauritania: Muslim men engaging in homosexual sex can be stoned to death, according to a 1984 law. Women face prison.

Nigeria: Federal law classifies homosexual behavior as a felony punishable by imprisonment, but several provinces have adopted sharia law and imposed a death penalty for men.

Pakistan: Death penalty laws exist but are unlikely to be implemented, according to the 2015 IGLA report.

Qatar: Muslims can be put to death for extramarital sex, regardless of sexual orientation. Death penalty laws exist but are unlikely to be implemented, according to the 2015 IGLA report.

Saudi Arabia: Under the country’s interpretation of sharia law, a married man engaging in sodomy or any non-Muslim who commits sodomy with a Muslim can be stoned to death. All sex outside of marriage is illegal.

Somalia: The penal code stipulates prison, but in some southern regions, Islamic courts have imposed Sharia law and the death penalty.

Sudan: Three-time offenders under the sodomy law can be put to death; first and second convictions result in flogging and imprisonment.

Yemen: According to 1994 penal code, married men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexual intercourse. Unmarried men face whipping or one year in prison. Women face up to seven years in prison.

Here are the countries from which the Clinton Foundation accepted donations:

Qatar $1-$5 Million

Brunei $1-$5 Million

Saudi Arabia $10-$25 Million

You can go here for a further look at the countries where homosexuals face imprisonment, and from which the Clinton Foundation took money.

Hillary Clinton has not addressed this hypocrisy on the campaign trail, but last year her husband-surrogate was questioned about it, and he rationalized it this way:

We do get money from other countries, and some of them are in the Middle East. The United Arab Emirates gave us money, do we agree with everything they do? No, but they’re helping us fight ISIS and they helped build a university with NYU. . . . My theory about all this is, disclose everything, and let people make their judgments.

I believe we’ve done a lot more good than harm[.]

But given we’ve been told a hundred times that Bill Clinton is not running for president and therefore what he says or does is irrelevant, I am looking forward to hearing from the nominee herself about this little post-Orlando matter. No doubt there will be a media inquiry. Any day now…

–Dana

101 Responses to “Hillary Clinton To The Gay Community: “You Have Millions Of Allies Who Will Always Have Your Back. And I Am One Of Them.” (Just Don’t Ask Me About Taking All That Money From Nations That Kill People Like You…)”

  1. The Clintons are people with no shame.

    Dana (995455)

  2. the important thing though is to tear down hillary’s opponent

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Who cares? lol

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Beware of teh bogs… nihilists afoot…

    Colonel Haiku (7e501e)

  5. You’d think of all people, Bill Clinton would be freaked out by hearing about people being stoned to death for sexual indiscretions.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  6. he went to school with prince turki, the saudi spymaster, (they both took ethics at georgetown, sarc, re steyn’s review of his door stopper memoir) and he subsequently became a contributor to the foundation, now turki’s probably a moderate in the great scheme of things, kind of like yamamoto, he resigned the month before 9/11, a chief of the national guard, who was more reliable replaced him at general intelligence,

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. Other than donations from Australia, Norway, Netherlands and Ireland, the Clinton Famiglia Foundation has taken money from Islamist nations that do not take kindly to same-sex sexual activity, summarized here.

    WarrenPeese (1df851)

  8. Just watching my gay friends and their allies grandstand all over Facebook the past few days, it’s pretty clear to me that Hillary! could personally deliver the leadership of GLADD to Muslim countries for execution and they would still find some reason to give her a pass and blame it all on those nasty right-wingers. It’s hopeless trying to get anything other than melodramatic histrionics from them.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  9. What exactly is your point?
    So the Clinton foundation takes money from those countries. At least she is not for policies that align with their anti gay sentiments.

    On the other hand, Ted Cruz doesnt take money from those countries. But he did attend a rally where the opinion that Homosexuals deserved death was commonplace, and does not support same sex marriage. And he did it for free!

    Gil (0bf8a1)

  10. So according to Gil she’s actually pulling a fast one on these bloodthirsty Muslim countries by taking their money while disdaining their principles. Well, that’s a novel one and I’m not surprised that it’s an Officially Licensed Clinton Defense (TM).

    JVW (eabb2a)

  11. Look,it would be totally naive to think the countries arent getting something out of it. If the point is foreign money should be out of campaign financing, im on board. Let’s have that as the post and leave it there.

    But the homosexual rights angle I found a quite amusing example to be harping on especially given the other side’s policies.

    Gil (0bf8a1)

  12. It seems to me that since Cruz dropped out of the GOP race, both parties’ nominees-presumptive have effectively been in a holding pattern — holding in a double sense, i.e., both as “in circling around an airport waiting to land” and “holding desperately to a nomination that ought to be secure by now, but might not quite be.” Both Trump and Hillary, in other words, are holding their breath, waiting for their coronations to be complete, and hoping there are no surprises, and especially no ugly surprises, at their respective party conventions.

    Clinton is now also the presumptive Defender of the Obama Faith, and she’s snuggling up as close to the POTUS as she can. My spider sense tells me that the Clintonistas have already gotten the word: Shortly after the convention, the DoJ will issue a reprimand or some other wrist-slap to Hillary for her negligence with her emails, but absolve her of any intention to compromise national security blah blah blah. Clinton will say, “I’ve said all along that there were lessons to be learned here, which I have, and now let’s talk some more about how I’m going to be the First Woman President, and my running mate, Julian Castro, will be the First Latino Vice President!”

    I admit that one small, unhinged part of me wishes that the fix weren’t in, and that Obama’s just being spectacularly cute here — that in fact he’s engineered a blockbuster indictment to be released just after the Democratic convention, after the Bernie supporters have basically blown off all their steam. At that point, Super Joe Biden could parachute in by acclamation, to save the Democratic Party, to continue the Obama legacy, and to save America from Trump (as the Democrats would spin each of those points).

    That’s the way I’d write it for the historical docudrama mini-series someday, anyway.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  13. Beldar, I would truly love it if they indicted Hillary. And if Obama’s people have any sense they will hit her now, when they can. She remembers 2008 and once she’s in the Oval Office will pay back a lot of democrats fiercely.

    Also, I can’t stand Hillary and while I really do think she’s better than Trump, I would much rather have a better choice. Kinda desperate. Give me freaking Howard Dean. Or Joe Biden, who is an oaf but is not evil. I don’t even dare to dream for Jim Webb, who would be a genius choice as it would truly crush the GOP downticket and for years to come.

    The GOP really does have some options, despite many saying it would be a disaster. We already have disaster so nothing is lost.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  14. The republicans have no shame in not going after the clinton machine. I hope this country is in ashes soon as we can then start over.

    mg (31009b)

  15. Disco Inferno

    mg (31009b)

  16. Americans are pussies. My father-in-law just passed away, was a sailor in W.W. 2, thought we stunk as a nation as of late. I feel so bad that we let these great Americans down.
    Burn this shit hole to the ground.

    mg (31009b)

  17. Americans are pussies. My father in law just passed away, he was a sailor in W.W.2. He thought this nation stunk of late. I feel so bad we have let these great Americans down. Burn this shite hole to the ground.

    mg (31009b)

  18. eff your effing moderation.

    mg (31009b)

  19. This looks more and more like gay on gay crime. We had a guy like that in Chicago. John Gacy. He buried 33 of his “lovers” in his basement and the speculation is that there were many other bodies that were not found. He may have reached and exceeded 50. There was speculation by the sheltered class in 1979 that it was because he was conflicted about his homosexuality.

    nobody kareslol (dbc370)

  20. The FBI is controlled by the DOJ which is controlled by the muslim brotherhood.
    Match, kindling, poof.

    mg (31009b)

  21. The establishment republican party is controlled by the muslim brotherhood.
    I hate these liars and want them water boarded.

    mg (31009b)

  22. The FBI is controlled by the DOJ

    :/

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  23. There are some very good reasons why easy-to-shoot, rapid-firing, high-capacity firearms should be restricted, and they comment on this site daily.

    nobody kareslol (dbc370)

  24. easy-to-shoot, rapid-firing, high-capacity
    But that will leave so many difficult-to-shoot, slow-firing, low-capacity firearms in the hands of commenters. Where is teh outrage?!!! 1!!

    Jack Klompus (5ea09b)

  25. Perfectly timed cat shadow. (jpg)

    Rapid-fire is a military command, not a category of weapon.

    Why would we make them easy to shoot? I’m imagining a Rube Goldberg with rubber bands and counter weights. Have to pull the trigger with your toe maybe. All shooters must wear an eyepatch by city ordinance.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  26. Or you could have a nuclear football type hammer lock that needs two consenting adults with separate keys to agree that the situation warrants an unlocking of the safety.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  27. Rapid-fire is a military command, not a category of weapon.

    Speak not of things you know not of. I will grant you that rapid-firing is a relative term — the Brown Bess at six shots a minute was a more rapid-firing than the Jaeger rifle at three shots a minute in 1776.

    Why would we make them easy to shoot? I’m imagining a Rube Goldberg with rubber bands and counter weights. Have to pull the trigger with your toe maybe.

    The .223 in the AR-15 rifle has practically no perceived recoil. Way back when, drill instructors would demonstrate it to new recruits by shooting with the buttstock against their noses, not their shoulder. The DIs’ noses, not the recruits’.

    nobody kareslol (dbc370)

  28. Gil, you’re obviously very angry at those of us who are not proponents of same-sex marriage, but that doesn’t mean we want to throw gays from off the top of a high-rise skyscraper in Kabul.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  29. “Like the search for the real killer in the O.J. case, the media search for the real motive in the Orlando massacre continues.”

    And like the young lad who pines for a gift of a pony on his 8th birthday, disappointed “true conservatives” continue to dig through a steaming pile of bovine excrement in search of a liberal Democrat they can support in the 2016 election.

    Colonel Haiku (7e501e)

  30. Of course, in 1776 the average 12-year old American girl was tougher, in every respect, than the average 19-year old American male Eugene Stoner designed the .223 ARs for. You wouldn’t hear of one of them not picking up grandpa’s (or grandma’s or her own) muzzleloader to defend herself and her family because of “bones in her heel”.

    nobody kareslol (dbc370)

  31. Drill instructors never touch a rifle except to teach you how to clean it or how to march in formation with it. Recruits are taken to Edson Range before they ever see a bullet. There training is done by a specialized weapons instructor called a PMI or a PI (Primary Marksmanship Instructor). The Drill Instructor is only responsible for delivering the platoon to the range on time.

    Here’s the thing you have to understand. This has been done the same way since 1917, so your mythical bada ss DI who did the Rambo with the M-16, he would have broken more than just his nose. He would be breaking regulation in a place highly trafficked by people looking for someone breaking a regulation.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  32. Colonel Haiku, didn’t all true conservatives support Howard Dean for President in 2004?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  33. Also, I can’t stand Hillary and while I really do think she’s better than Trump

    Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/16/2016 @ 1:03 am

    Refresh my memory Dustin. Why exactly is Hillary better than Trump? I seem to remember it rested on making something up like “Trump will start a nuclear war”.

    Gerald A (945582)

  34. Whatever you say, papertiger.

    nobody kareslol (dbc370)

  35. Gerald A, poor Dustin has gone full #4Hillary!. The statement that he believes her “better than Trump” demonstrates that. So in his mind a perfect communist with a plan is better than an imperfect capitalist. So basically he’s adopted the leftist democrat view.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  36. yep he’s over macho grande, again, since the last time worked out so well, what is mike castle doing now, since al jazeera went belly up.

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. I’m a true vegetarian. That’s why I intend to eat steak for dinner, tonight.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. This is why my grandfather quit politics, saying that “you can’t be honest and a politician at the same time.” Money corrupts politicians into contemptible, vile beasts.

    Tillman (a95660)

  39. Typical lie:

    On the other hand, Ted Cruz doesnt take money from those countries. But he did attend a rally where the opinion that Homosexuals deserved death was commonplace, and does not support same sex marriage. And he did it for free!

    Being an Evangelical Christian (or Catholic, or any other mainstream denomination) is not calling for death to sinners. That the Bible teaches “the wages of sin are Death” is a theological statement – not a call for a death penalty here on Earth. The prejudices against and persecution of homosexuals originates from the culture, and various religions moderate or inflame those ills. Christianity is not calling for death to anyone. When you raise your false equivalency you are committing blood libel.

    Steve Malynn (1d7837)

  40. Note that the San Bernardino shooters like the Orlando shooter turned on reference groups. In San Bernardino it was co-workers (who had given the shooters a wedding party) and in Orlando it was the gay community. In both examples the cowardly shooters targeted groups of people they were well familiar with and picked occasions to strike when their intended victims would least expect to be slaughtered.

    ropelight (596f46)

  41. Refresh my memory Dustin. Why exactly is Hillary better than Trump? I seem to remember it rested on making something up like “Trump will start a nuclear war”.

    Gerald A (945582)

    Yeah, I figured if I noted Hillary’s extreme faults someone would make a comment about why I don’t support Trump.

    You know your memory can be refreshed by using the blog search tools. I don’t like it when people change the subject of the threads to settle arguments they want to relitigate. No disrespect intended, but you’d think you would want a thread that isn’t about bashing Trump.

    This thread is about Hillary’s corruption. I don’t care to talk about Trump here, but indeed you’re basically correct about my views.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  42. So in his mind a perfect communist with a plan is better than an imperfect capitalist. So basically he’s adopted the leftist democrat view.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/16/2016 @ 6:07 am

    No, that’s not my view at all. You’re burning a lot of strawmen.

    Hillary is corrupt and dishonest, but she is not a communist. She follows the polls wherever they lead. There’s a reason all the socialists in the democrat party voted against her.

    But I don’t want Hillary to be president. If (and it’s still an if) the election is between that terrible choice and an even worse choice, I’ll go with the lesser of two evils, but the idea that means I’m a ‘full communist’ is a very dishonest thing to say.

    Think about your father and the other people who taught you about honor and integrity and reconsider the way you’ve been behaving, son.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  43. Hillary Diane Clinton nee Rodham graduated from Yale Law School in 1973 and her first job was as a congressional legal counsel during the Watergate Hearings – she got herself fired for unethical conduct which set the tone for her entire public life.

    Most of the controversial elements of Mrs. Clinton’s public life are complicated and she and her husband are world class at being able to deflect blame and avoid prosecution for their shady deals. But, some of Mrs. Clinton’s actions are not difficult at all to understand.

    David Watkins, White House administrative aide wrote a memo to Thomas F. McLarty, White House Chief of Staff which included “we both know that there would be hell to pay” if the White House travel employees weren’t fired and replaced with Clinton cronies from Arkansas. The entire travel office staff was terminated in May 1993 at the request of Hillary Clinton. This is not difficult to understand—she directed the entire staff to be canned and then denied she had any part in the underhanded event.

    In 1994 Hillary’s Rose Law Firm billing records related to the 1980s Whitewater Development bankruptcy mysteriously disappear — but then inexplicably reappear a year later after having been “scrubbed” of any incriminating evidence linking Hillary with key partners in that fraud.

    Hillary, who wants to help women, called husband Bill’s accusers “trailer trash” and defended him with lies and threats even though she knew he was a serial sexual abuser, possible rapist, and had illicit sex in the Oval Office.

    According to Hillary, she and Bill departed the White House “dead broke” after vandalizing the executive residence and loading up $190,000 in gifts and furnishings before the Bush family arrived. Shortly after self-identifying herself as “dead broke” Hillary managed to buy a Chappaqua country house for $1.7 million to establish residence in New York and also acquired a seven-bedroom house in DC for $2.85 million so she would have a place to stay while the Senate was in session.

    Hillary is currently under investigation for influence peddling – “pay to play” with contributions to her foundation and then pushing some “sweetheart” deals through the State Department. And she is also under investigation for having a private server in her home which stored classified material. No doubt she will be sheltered from indictment by the Obama Administration.

    Hillary recently criticized Donald Trump for being rich, flying in his private aircraft, and being out of touch with common people. This after spending eight years riding in Air Force One, four years riding in the State Department 757, donating $1.8 million to her own charity so she could use that money to fly in charter jets, having chauffeured limousine service for the past 25 years, owning five homes worth more than $25 million, and getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for individual speeches to Wall Street donors.

    Colonel Haiku (7e501e)

  44. She’s a Peach Pantload in a Pantsuit

    Colonel Haiku (7e501e)

  45. I would say enemy action, at this point,

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/06/16/definitely-stupid/

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. Never knew her middle name was Diane. But yeah Hillary is a piece of work all right.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  47. Steve Malynn @ 39

    Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what Ted Cruz did. He, along with his father, Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal, attended the National Religious Liberties Conference in November 2015, hosted by Ted Swanson. Since they were courting his support, they praised him profusely in their speeches and said nothing to distance themselves from what he had said on the same dais just moments before introducing them.

    But you don’t believe that, do you? Certainly they would not share the stage with someone calling for the extermination of all gays (after a short period of time for them to “repent”), citing biblical justification. Certainly they would not share the stage with someone who, right in front of them, described anyone who was not for the killing of gays as “carving happy faces in their [gay’s] puss-filled sores”? It is all a lie and Ted Cruz is only guilty of being an Evangelical Christian. Then where did this video come from?

    https://amp.twimg.com/v/adf2fa8b-2b00-42d4-a9ac-3e922a3be22d

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  48. You’re not a communist, Dustin, you’re just bitterly angry Cruz was rejected by GOP voters and can’t bring yourself to accept the reality of a Donald Trump Presidency. He’s a thousand times better than Hillary and you could see that for yourself if you ever get your head out of your ass.

    ropelight (596f46)

  49. yes, that was a foolish move on swanson’s part, misunderstanding that paul, meant that for eternal judgement, but category error as here,

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/14/if-islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-so-is-christianity/

    narciso (732bc0)

  50. You’re not a communist, Dustin, you’re just bitterly angry Cruz was rejected by GOP voters and can’t bring yourself to accept the reality of a Donald Trump Presidency. He’s a thousand times better than Hillary and you could see that for yourself if you ever get your head out of your ass.

    ropelight (596f46)

    Ropelight seems to get where I’m coming from, albeit I think I’m right about Trump I really think it’s better if every thread isn’t an argument about him. He’s done enough damage to the conservative movement. It is very important that we scrutinize Hillary, who after all is probably the next president.

    Did you guys really want me to give you the same argument about Trump in every thread? A couple of you are seemingly asking me to, but if I did I bet you’d also be complaining.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  51. But he did attend a rally where the opinion that Homosexuals deserved death was commonplace, and does not support same sex marriage.

    Gil (0bf8a1) — 6/15/2016 @ 10:28 pm

    A couple of weeks later said he made a mistake attending that.

    Where is it documented that “the opinion that Homosexuals deserved death was commonplace”?

    I don’t support SSM. What’s your point?

    Gerald A (945582)

  52. That was the least of his lunacy. We all need to repent because we let our children read Harry Potter, or let them watch “How to Train Your Dragon”. If one of our children is gay and marries their partner, the only proper response is to attend the wedding, dressed in sackcloth and ashes, and rub cow manure all over ourselves. And all those things were said in front of Ted Cruz, and he then smiled and shook Swanson’s hand and smiled.

    But if you have a daughter and you think sending her to college is a good idea, you’d better get right with the Lord, according to Swanson.

    “Remember, the goal is to get that girl a job,” Swanson said, “because she needs no stinkin’ husband, she’s got the fascist corporation and government-mandated insurance programs and socialist welfare that will take care of her womb to tomb. Who needs a cotton-pickin’ husband? Who needs a family? That’s pretty much the worldview that’s dominating, my friends. That’s what the college is all about.”

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  53. ropelight,

    Now that your candidate is the nominee, you seem to have forgotten that people can disagree in a democracy and that disagreement can be a good thing. So let me refresh your recollection:

    “Democracy is a messy business. Give the people an opportunity to vote their preferences and they’re likely to do just that … My vote is mine and I’ll use it to support the candidate of my choice, not yours.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  54. GeraldA, a video has been provided for you viewing pleasure. Note the speaker was the organizer of the event, and note the applause he gets.

    And I’m sorry, but Cruz’s weak sauce apology is not very believable. And even if he had no idea about Swanson’s view (which nobody actually believes), how could he stand in the wing, listen to that crazy talk about killing homosexuals, and then walk out and shake his hand and say nothing about the lunacy that just yelled at the top of Swanson’s lungs? Sure, such a thing might have cost him Swanson’s endorsement, but I thought Cruz was a man of integrity and always did what was right. After view that, one is forced to acknowledge that either Ted Cruz actually agreed with Swanson, or he is willing to do anything to advance his political career.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  55. I will not for a moment be convinced that we know a Trump presidency will be any better at all than a presidency of another rep of the party of Obama,
    but I am willing to take that gamble if the decision is Trump as the only viable candidate against the nominee of the party of Obama.

    Which is why I am still hoping and praying for a miracle.

    MD in Philly (06960c)

  56. No one is denying anyone their choice. But at the same time, you need to own your choice, rather than pretend you aren’t really making that choice.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  57. Last time I checked,
    no one had claimed Cruz to be perfect,
    and the main reason people were for him had nothing directly to do with him reportedly being a Christian,
    people supported him because he actually did what he promised he would do after he was elected.

    MD in Philly (06960c)

  58. Which is why it is a reach for us to support someone who is all talk and zero evidence in past behavior.

    MD in Philly (06960c)

  59. NeverTrump is a choice, prowlerguy. I own it, and I can’t support a pretend Republican who can’t raise money or solidify Republican support (and doesn’t care if he can’t), who would be questionable commander-in-chief, and who is such a poor campaign organizer that he looks like the GOP version of McGovern.

    DRJ (15874d)

  60. GeraldA, a video has been provided for you viewing pleasure. Note the speaker was the organizer of the event, and note the applause he gets.

    And I’m sorry, but Cruz’s weak sauce apology is not very believable. And even if he had no idea about Swanson’s view (which nobody actually believes), how could he stand in the wing, listen to that crazy talk about killing homosexuals, and then walk out and shake his hand and say nothing about the lunacy that just yelled at the top of Swanson’s lungs? Sure, such a thing might have cost him Swanson’s endorsement, but I thought Cruz was a man of integrity and always did what was right. After view that, one is forced to acknowledge that either Ted Cruz actually agreed with Swanson, or he is willing to do anything to advance his political career.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/16/2016 @ 8:21 am

    Your statement “Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what Ted Cruz did” (calling for killing gays) in #47 is BS.

    I don’t know what the relevance is of Cruz’s apology not being strong enough for you.

    I see no reason to assume he knew about Swanson’s position. You can say what you want about how he should have done this or that at the time but the fact remains he disassociated himself from Swanson, and did not ever endorse his position as you claim. There was nothing more for him to do that I can see. The Clinton Foundation has not returned donations from those countries or stopped accepting donations from them AFAIK. You’re creating a false equivalence.

    Gerald A (945582)

  61. papertiger.
    Whie in BCT at Ft. Dix in 1969, our intro to the M14 firing took place on a range, as you suggest. The cadre suggested one of the drill sergeants fire the weapon from the crotch. No problem, although the accuracy wasn’t what could have been wished.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  62. Trump could be informed and temperate about military matters and foreign policy, but it would take years of effort that he’s only willing to spend once he’s President. Right now, he appeals to isolationists/a> because it plays well with Americans who don’t want to fund other nations. But it’s stupid — not only because Trump has no idea what he’s talking about, but also because he has handed the Democrats a way to make Trump look like a nuke-happy Goldwater.

    The two worst defeats in modern electoral history are Goldwater and McGovern, and Trump looks like both.

    DRJ (15874d)

  63. Hillary is corrupt and dishonest, but she is not a communist. She follows the polls wherever they lead. There’s a reason all the socialists in the democrat party voted against her.

    Dustin, you can keep insisting Hillary! is not a communist all you want but the fact remains, she is. Just because she doesn’t say she is does not make it so. She’s as red as Sanders but just won’t say it. All the socialists in the democrat party did not vote against her but the ones who did voted for Bernie because he was the original red. You’re just splitting hairs with that and trying to deflect her anti American beliefs and policies.

    I never suggested you were a “full communist” at all. I said: “So in his mind a perfect communist with a plan is better than an imperfect capitalist. So basically he’s adopted the leftist democrat view.” That being a perfect commie is better than an imperfect capitalist. IOW, you have the democrat view because you’re supporting a communist, not you are one. Understand the difference? Apology accepted.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  64. The two worst defeats in modern electoral history are Goldwater and McGovern, and Trump looks like both.

    Then you should be happy. The guy you detest will loose. Congratulations.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  65. Clinton’s widely acknowledged dishonesty will keep Trump above the Goldwater/McGovern level of defeat. Johnson should be able to get to 7-9% due to the revulsion factor which would make a 48/43/7/2 result a reasonable probability.

    Trump’s blindingly manifest political incompetency coupled with his alligator mouth may make the situation a bit worse but he totally lacks any attributes which could allow improvement. The media trap has been sprung and the GOP does not have the will to chew off the rotting Trump paw in order to escape.

    Rick Ballard (534b65)

  66. 6. narciso (732bc0) — 6/15/2016 @ 9:20 pm

    turki’s probably a moderate in the great scheme of things, kind of like yamamoto, he resigned the month before 9/11,

    Even closer too 9/11. Ten days before September 11, 2001, on September 1, very abruptly after 24 years. (Wikipedia seems to be confused as to when he became head of Saudi intelligence, saying both 1977 and 1979 and also saying 23 years. Which would mean 1978.)

    This sudden resignation could mean any of number of things. It looks most like being fired to me.

    Being fired wouldn’t mean that Crown Prince Abdullah (King Fahd had had a stroke and was pretty much out of after 1995) or other higher ups or even Prince Turki himself had full knowledge of the 9/11 plot, or when it would come to fruition, but it could be they learned something. Maybe learned something too late, as it turned out, to quietly turn it off, and afterwards they could never admit to anyone what they knew.

    You are making his resignation 10 days before 9/11 a resignation in protest. That’s strikes me as low on the list of probabilities. It’s the sort of thing that I think is unlikely in principle. And I don’t understand the comparison to Yamamoto. Since when did Admiral Yamamato resign from anything? While he did oppose a war with the United States, writing that to win to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House, and wondered if the politicians who talked of such a war understood what it would entail, he never resigned.

    Members of the Saudi royal family do lots of things on their own because they really can’t be punished for anything done to non-royals, so even if 9/11 was intentionally plotted by some members of the Saudi royal family acting entirely on their own, and this was found out, nothing would likely happen to them, beyond losing a job or two. They are very careful not to execute or impoverish each other.

    In January 2003, Prince Turki became Ambassador to the United Kingdom, with Ireland thrown in for good measure. Then Prince Bandar bin Sultan was suddenly replaced as Ambassador to the United States in mid-2005 and Prince Turki replaced him till December 11, 2006. All kinds of reasons have been offered to explain his brief tenure as Ambassador to the United States, but we have to be very wary of believing any of the leaks about any of the reasons for any of this.

    Prince Turki still has some kind of occasional official duties.

    a chief of the national guard, who was more reliable replaced him at general intelligence,

    I had no idea who replaced him.

    Wikipedia says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawaf_bin_Abdul_Aziz did not hold any official position until 2001.

    He stayed there for about three years leaving possibly for genuine health reasons. Wikipedia says in the article on Turki, quoting some source, that Nawaf bin Abdul Aziz had “no background in intelligence whatsoever” He was obviously picked because he was the king’s brother – that is, for reliability.

    That doesn’t mean that the Saudi state fully supported the 9/11 attacks. It could mean the exact opposite.

    That, let’s say, Prince Turki had, independently, either authorized it, or did something else that allowed it to happen, and he was fired. Prince Abdullah, or whoever, may not have known too much at that stage, but just that something bad was in the works.

    One thing consistent with Prince Turki not being trusted was that Prince Abdullah did not want to be briefed by him, which, in turn, is consistent with him being fired.

    Saud bin Fahd, the son of the king, continued to serve as deputy director of Saudi intelligence after the resignation as he had since 1985. So Nawaf might have been put in charge just to keep an eye on it, not to run it. Saud bin Fahd might not been promoted because he was just not high ranking enough, or trusted enough.

    Sammy Finkelman (7ea384)

  67. nobody kareslol @18. John Gacy killed his “lovers” to hide his sexual orientation. And it was forced, too, wasn’t it? Not similar to this case.

    Sammy Finkelman (7ea384)

  68. Colonel Haiku (7e501e) — 6/16/2016 @ 7:49 am

    – she got herself fired for unethical conduct which set the tone for her entire public life.

    She was not fired. After the impeachment inquiry was suddenly shut down when Richard Nixon resigned, Jerry Zeifman, the Majority counsel for the House Judiciary Committee, who was never her boss, because the impeachment inquiry bypassed him, refused to hire her to be on the general House Judiciary Committee staff. He also refised to give her a letter of recommendation.

    Zeifman was under the mistaken impression that she was unethical all by herself, but every unethical thing she did had the full support of John Doar (who in turn, was fully backed by House Judiciary Committee Chaorman Peter Rodino) The fact that John Doar approved or ordered it, doesn’t make it not unethical </i although some fact check sites seem to think so.

    In fact, I think John Doar may have arranged for her to be the person to make false transcripts of the tapes. In particular, I think she may have invented the words: "I want you all to stonewall it," which always sounded phony to me. If somebody has actually heard these words on the tapes I'd like to know.

    Hillary Rodham was not on the list of people charged with making transcripts of the Nixon tapes, but one day John Doar flew out to Arkansas (where she was staying with Bill Clinton, who was running for Congress on the Watergate issue) to fetch her back to Washington in connection with the Nixon tapes. That much is published in a book by Donnie Radcliffe.

    Sammy Finkelman (7ea384)

  69. David Watkins, White House administrative aide wrote a memo to Thomas F. McLarty, White House Chief of Staff which included “we both know that there would be hell to pay” if the White House travel employees weren’t fired and replaced with Clinton cronies from Arkansas.

    “hell to pay” Means hell to pay from the Clintons.

    It was perfectly legal to fire them, but they wanted to cover up the reason for firing them, since the travel office staff had been carried over from administration to adminsitration, just like the butlers and ushers, and cooks.

    The reason was probably not to give a little bit of patronage to a few people, because they could have found an easier to way to throw them a few dollars, but to enable Bill Clinton to meet with people in secret. You know, like take a side trip without anybody knowing. The reasons the Thomasons were put in charge was to maintain secrecy.

    The entire travel office staff was terminated in May 1993 at the request of Hillary Clinton. This is not difficult to understand—she directed the entire staff to be canned and then denied she had any part in the underhanded event.

    I think Bill Clinton went out of his way to blame Hillary Clinton for that. Now maybe she had a role, bit actually blaming Hillary for that is part of Bill Clinton’s cover-up, as is saying this was done for patronage purposes.

    According to Hillary, she and Bill departed the White House “dead broke”

    based upon having a negative net worth at that moment, ir could be technically true. That didn’t prevent the Clintons from getting a jumbo mortgage or two.

    They had anegative net worth because they had to pay the lawyers, because the lawyers were ethically obligated to not do the work for free (while getting paid some other way)

    Hillary is currently under investigation for influence peddling – “pay to play” with contributions to her foundation and then pushing some “sweetheart” deals through the State Department.

    She is probably not under investigation for that, because she deleted the “private” e-mails. There’s no smoking gun.

    And she is also under investigation for having a private server in her home which stored classified material. No doubt she will be sheltered from indictment by the Obama Administration.

    But will she be named an un-indicted co-conspirator? Probably nobody will be indicted, at least before the election.

    owning five homes worth more than $25 million

    I didn’t know that. Five homes? We knew about McCain and Romney.

    and getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for individual speeches to Wall Street donors. </blockquote. Not just Wall Street. Bernie Sanders focused on that. The whole list of institutions that paid Hillary Clinton for speeches between 2013 and 2015 was published recently. It includes eBay as one of the last.

    Sammy Finkelman (7ea384)

  70. So Gerald A @60:
    You make the following claim:

    Your statement “Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what Ted Cruz did” (calling for killing gays) in #47 is BS.

    If you were capable of actually reading, you would see that I replied, explicitly, to post #39. It’s right there in the post you are complaining about.

    Let’s go back to #39, the post I replied to:

    Typical lie:

    On the other hand, Ted Cruz doesnt take money from those countries. But he did attend a rally where the opinion that Homosexuals deserved death was commonplace, and does not support same sex marriage. And he did it for free!

    So YOU claim that it is BS that he attended a rally hosted by Swanson, who at that rally, did indeed speak of the need to kill all gays? Because that is what was originally claimed by Gil @9, was called a lie by Steve Malynn @39, and was corrected with video evidence by me. Typical sore loser Cruz acolyte who projects his hero’s continual lying onto everybody else.

    And why do you put so much stock in Cruz’s distancing WEEKS later, when the heat got too great, which was nothing ore than a tepid response of first “I didn’t know he believed such things” (completely unbelievable given that is the major part of Swanson’s “ministry”), then when that was laughed at, he said he didn’t support such rhetoric regarding homosexuals? Why wouldn’t a man of honor and integrity that never says or does something that he doesn’t believe in and keeps his promises not stand up then and there? Is Ted a coward in addition to being a liar?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  71. So DRJ @ 59, you need to own that to be a #nevertrumper is to be #4Hillary. It is a binary election, there are no other choices. Not only that, but the rhetoric from the left sounds EXACTLY like you and your ilk. Quack like a duck, walk like a duck….

    And I love that you are on record as acknowledging that a man you claim is unable to raise money, has no ability to organize a campaign, and is burdened by all other manner of ill suitability to the job at hand was still able to soundly defeat 16 other candidates, despite the best efforts of the GOPe and the #nevertrumpers (but I repeat myself). What does that say about those 16 candidates, and the abilities and organization of the GOPe and #nevertrumpers?

    I know. Stupid voters. Never the stupid losers who have lost election after election and shafted GOP voters over and over again, right?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  72. #nevertrumpers are all about feewings they don’t do logics Mr. prowlerguy

    it’s pitiful

    happyfeet (831175)

  73. “Binary” does not mean being able to count only to “one, two, many”, Trumpkins.

    nk (dbc370)

  74. I suppose that sounded better in your head before you typed it out, nk. Otherwise, you are totally losing what little grip you had on reality.

    You can deny the facts all you want, but there are only two people to choose from to stand on the steps of the Capitol and raise their right hand: Clinton or Trump. That makes it a binary choice. And even if you choose to not participate, you are having an effect on the outcome. In the current electoral landscape, if enough nominal Republicans are so butt-hurt that their boy lost and decide to sit it out “over principle”, then they are in fact awarding the presidency to Hillary. To deny their own role in that is pathetic and cowardly. If you are OK with Hillary as President, say so proudly. Don’t try to hide it by saying you think she is horrible. Own the fact that in a race with two contestants, to be against one is to be for the other.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  75. I am trying very hard not to say “anybody but Trump”, prowlerguy. Because I’ve already said it so many times that even I am bored with it, and because it’s not constructive, it just raises people’s hackles. But what raises my hackles even more is “If you are not with us, you are against us”. Only One Person is entitled to say that as far as I’m concerned (no, not George W. Bush) and to everybody else I give the big razzberry.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. “MUST NOT MAKE BLUE DRESS JOKES. MUST NOT MAKE BLUE DRESS JOKES. MUST NOT MAKE BLUE DRESS JOKES: Oprah Winfrey “said that ‘regardless of your politics, it’s a seminal moment for women,’” as she endorsed Clinton, her fellow Democrat.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236424/

    Colonel Haiku (7e501e)

  77. Scolding Trumpkin Shills (e.g., #74) absolve themselves, automatically and reflexively and retroactively, for supporting a candidate who is so polarizing that he cannot rally his own party.

    That’s supposed to be our fault.

    They are narcissists, like their hero.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  78. #53, DRJ, thanks for refreshing my memory. I fully support your right to vote for the candidate of your choice, skip the presidential race, or to sit out the election. Your Vote -> Your Choice.

    But, sometimes it’s wise to close ranks and do what’s right for the country. I have every confidence you’ll chose wisely. Best Regards.

    ropelight (596f46)

  79. No Beldar, the narcissists are those who think a) they and they alone hold the keys to all truth and goodness despite being a vanishingly small minority, b) that their

    And I absolve myself of nothing. I have made a choice. I stand by it. And as of right now, the only thing I could need absolution for is the fantasies and made up futures spouted by the the #nevertrumpers. You know, like nuclear war and the like. And I would question whether or not Trump has been unable to rally the GOP electorate, given the results of the actual voting in the primaries after clinching the nomination in Indiana. The man got 998,209 more votes than all the other candidates in CA. Who cares about the career politicians and beltway insiders whose very livelihood is on the line should Trump win?

    It is hilarious to watch those who have claimed to be against the establishment line up and march in goosestep to the tune of K Street. I guess the true colors of the #nevertrumpers is showing through their Harvard lawyer double-speak.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  80. Dang posting from a phone:

    No Beldar, the narcissists are those who think a) they and they alone hold the keys to all truth and goodness despite being a vanishingly small minority, b) that their opinion is the only one that everybody should listen to despite their horrendous showings in the past.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  81. if we just let hillary do her urine-soaked strap-on up america’s poo-hole for 8 years EVERYONE will see how majestic teddy-pie and his chubby chubby sacky are

    just wait

    you’ll see – you’re just a buncha poopers

    happyfeet (831175)

  82. Id like to point out that in my original post I did not say Cruz or Swanson were calling for killing homosexuals. In fact if you watch the original source video Swanson says near the end that we are not to actually kill them today. That is my beef with the Rachel Maddow paraphrasing she claims they are condoning rounding up homosexuals to kill them. Everyone objecting to my statement on that ground needs to read more closely.

    Swanson does say homosexuals are “worthy of death” which I mismembered when I said “deserved death”. That however is a pretty close mistake so the meaning is not really changed. I stand by what I originally wrote.

    As far as Cruz distancing himself from it, prowlerguy is right on. It is half assed and Cruz should have said something immediately. There is no way he heard all that nonsense and then can tell us three weeks later that it an honest mistake to be there. He knew it was horrid then and should have said so. I guess its water under the bridge now though

    @prowlerguy and really any other Trump supporters. I do admire you sticking to your guns. I myself was going to stick with any alternative to Hillary no matter what myself (which means Trump) but as time has gone I cant see myself doing it anymore. I know it seems like the #nevertrump croud has no real good points, and I agree with you the ones on this site are parrotting the same simple-minded objections over and over again. To get an interesting other perspective, I would recommend you listen to the first 15 minutes of the latest Sam Harris podcast. It is called “The End of Faith Sessions 2” but please ignore that part. Before he gets to it, he spends the first 15-20 minutes going into detail about specific reasons and policies trump has advocated and why they are just bad ideas. Please listen, yes he does say some unpleasant things about Trump, but if you can get past them and hear what he has to say it really is a fresh look at things you should consider.

    You can find it here: LINK Warp to about 3 minutes.

    Gil (0bf8a1)

  83. it’s ironic the jews and the gays get thrown under the bus, even though they are among the most diligent supporters of the left, red queen doesn’t care about them, as long as the cash is flowing in from the gulf and parts proximate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  84. I love this. Cruz shows respect to someone’s religious views, and Trump’s fans go crazy. Trump can’t rebuke the KKK, and they come up with every excuse in the book.

    These guys just can’t stop bashing Cruz. They know Trump isn’t really the nominee yet, particularly because so many Americans prefer even the terrible Hillary to the more terrible Trump. They think bashing Cruz will get us to fall in line behind Hillary’s donor and supporter, but it just keeps verifying to me that these people hate everything about Cruz, a terrific Senator.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  85. And this recent attack on Cruz regarding killing gays is vile and dishonest, and it’s also ghoulishly trying to take advantage of the recent Florida tragedy, to somehow associate Cruz with it.

    Like Trump responding to that tragedy with a call for gun control measures, it’s opportunistic and shameful.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  86. Gil and happyfeet are Trump supporters. Won’t you be a Trump supporter too? Ha ha ha ha!

    nk (dbc370)

  87. I like Mr. Trump he’s the #1 alternative to having hillary clinton riding dirty on America

    plus he’s a good American (not pooper)

    happyfeet (831175)

  88. The subject is “Do you want to be a Trump supporter?” My view is that if we applied USDA food quality standards to the electorate, Trump supporters would not be permitted in dog food.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. you’re not even 100% aware about how wonderful Mr. Trump is i bet

    happyfeet (831175)

  90. The recent polls show a full 70% of the American people have a negative opinion of Trump. 55% say they would “never” vote for him. And for good reason, as Trump is tremendously corrupt and has made alarm comments about using nuclear weapons, praising atrocities, and calling for riots. The man has built an empire of sleaze and then failed. And if you put up with all that, what do you get? Someone who proudly praised Hillary for years and said she would be a great president.

    Very few people can pretend Trump is an alternative to Hillary.

    Happyfeet can, but I suspect this is more about sticking it to the GOP due to their social politics. For many of Trump’s fans, they still win if (when) he loses.

    For the rest of the GOP, you have nothing to lose by dumping him. 70% of the country will understand. The conservatives who didn’t weren’t showing up in the past anyway.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  91. Hillary is no good she’s stanky and ill-humored and criminal

    on the other hand there’s Mr. Trump – a vibrant and dynamic new voice in sad pathetic pitiful moribund America

    oh my goodness Mr. Trump is right as rain

    happyfeet (831175)

  92. Dustin at 90. Tamam, sayidi, tamam.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. Dustin,
    I think the flaw in the dump trump consideration is that those who want it most are probably Cruz fans – if he was not the replacement pick they would not support any alternative and be just as unpleasant as they have been about Trump out campaigning their guy. The arguments would along the lines of “he had the most delegates behind Trump so he deserves it”. The hypocrisy in that assertion would not be lost on the people who are not emotionally attached to the idea of a President Cruz as some sort of second coming of Reagan.

    We may all be on the Titanic together no matter what scenario plays out. If Cruz can be outfoxed by someone like Trump what confidence does that give in dealing with Russia or China?

    The mistake for many of the ardent Cruzers is that they have left the party officially and will only come back if Cruz is the nominee. To them I say go form their own party – better to be honest and always lose than to continue sucking the teat of the GOP establishment – a con job worthy of a Trumpian award for its effectiveness. Now that they admit that their unified support was never really there in the first place they can’t really go back now can they? After all, principles do matter don’t they?

    SpokaneBob (6797b5)

  94. I don’t think you’re right, Bob. I think 99% of #nevertrumpers desperately want any reasonable alternative to Trump and Hillary at this point. Cruz would certainly be a bonus for the more fervent constitutionalists, but I bet you that even they would cheerfully vote for Kasich over Hillary. (But, Oh God, not Christie!)

    nk (dbc370)

  95. NK,
    So you are saying that “Get in my Belly Voters” would not help Christie? 😉

    SpokaneBob (e86321)

  96. SpokaneBob (6797b5) — 6/17/2016 @ 6:48 am

    I would guess over 95% of the people who post here who supported Cruz would vote for Rubio, for example, if he was the nominee. Kasich might be a little lower but still very high. Don’t project the strange Trumper mentality onto Cruz supporters.

    I don’t know how anyone could miss that support for Cruz over the other candidates (not just Trump) was totally about issues, but somehow you do.

    Gerald A (945582)

  97. 90. Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/17/2016 @ 6:19 am

    The recent polls show a full 70% of the American people have a negative opinion of Trump. 55% say they would “never” vote for him.

    When all non-white are excluded, the position of Trump and Hillary reverses itself.

    Instead of Trump’s negatives being in the high 60s and Hillary’s in the high 50s, among whiite alone, it is Hillary in the high 60s and Trump in the high 50s.

    This is because, not only are most blacks Democrats, but they don’t have a negative opinion of Hillary. That’s why she racked so many votes among blacks during the primaries. I suppose the reason is, theya re consuming different media and get this from their pastors.

    The grand totals hide different cross tabs.

    And for good reason, as Trump is tremendously corrupt and has made alarm comments about using nuclear weapons, praising atrocities, and calling for riots.

    It’s some of that and it’s also that he seems not to care about being caught lying. He seems to have no compunctions about saying things taht are simply ot true. When he’s wrong, it is probably often deliberate. For instance thisweek he claimed the murderer in Orlando was not born in the Unuted States (and I think implied that his father was accepted as a refugee after the Taliban took over – he’s been here since the mid 1980s at least, when the Soviet Union dominated Afghanistan.)

    The man has built an empire of sleaze and then failed. And if you put up with all that, what do you get? Someone who proudly praised Hillary for years and said she would be a great president.

    That was a lie, but was possible only because he has no actual revulsion towards Hillary.

    I think now all of his political positions, or almost all of them, during the last 30 years, were taken for reasons of political expediency. It’s just that he didn’t see an opening to run and win, and also that he thought he was damaged goods for about a decade after his first divorce, so he was out of it during most of the 1990s.

    What he did in this election was rather simple: He endorsed all the positions that you might hear on conservative talk radio that no politician endorsed – and carried it a step or two further – far enough so as to shake off any competitor who might try the same thing, even Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz being the last man standing greatly harmed the possibility of stopping Trump.

    Being politically incorrect also created a false appearance of honesty.

    Sammy Finkelman (7ea384)

  98. I believe we’ve done a lot more good than harm

    That Bill Clinton has to concede that much, that is, that some of what they did was actual harm, should tell you something about how glaring the harm they did in Haiti was. They didn’t just divert money. They caused harm.

    Here may be something related:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/protesters-gather-at-clinton-foundation-to-complain-of-missing-money-from-haiti-recovery/article/823527

    Sammy Finkelman (c5cea5)

  99. If you were capable of actually reading, you would see that I replied, explicitly, to post #39.

    And why do you put so much stock in Cruz’s distancing WEEKS later, when the heat got too great, which was nothing ore than a tepid response of first “I didn’t know he believed such things” (completely unbelievable given that is the major part of Swanson’s “ministry”), then when that was laughed at, he said he didn’t support such rhetoric regarding homosexuals? Why wouldn’t a man of honor and integrity that never says or does something that he doesn’t believe in and keeps his promises not stand up then and there? Is Ted a coward in addition to being a liar?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/16/2016 @ 3:06 pm

    On the first point, I did not read the string of comments carefully and misinterpreted what you were saying.

    I don’t know that it’s ‘the major part of Swanson’s “ministry”’. That sounds like a made up “fact”. His Wikipedia entry doesn’t seem to indicate any such thing. For example, it lists several books he’s written and from the titles not a single one seems to deal with gays. Whatever the case, I don’t see any basis to assume Cruz was that familiar with all his positions. I never heard of him before this thread. Your criticism of Cruz is based in part on some questionable assumptions.

    I have to assume Cruz was not expecting any such statement from Swanson. To say Cruz should have made some kind of a scene is easy to say in retrospect but I’m not going to crucify him over it.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  100. hillary’s a vile carrier of disease and a gouting font of misery and pee

    she’s putrid nasty

    happyfeet (831175)


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