Donald Trump: My Comments Have Been Misconstrued
[guest post by Dana]
Trump comments about his “misconstrued statement” regarding the American federal judge overseeing the Trump University case:
It is unfortunate that my comments have been misconstrued as a categorical attack against people of Mexican heritage. I am friends with and employ thousands of people of Mexican and Hispanic descent. The American justice system relies on fair and impartial judges. All judges should be held to that standard. I do not feel that one’s heritage makes them incapable of being impartial, but, based on the rulings that I have received in the Trump University civil case, I feel justified in questioning whether I am receiving a fair trial.
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Normally, legal issues in a civil case would be heard in a neutral environment. However, given my unique circumstances as nominee of the Republican Party and the core issues of my campaign that focus on illegal immigration, jobs and unfair trade, I have concerns as to my ability to receive a fair trial.
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Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge’s reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge’s impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.
While this lawsuit should have been dismissed, it is now scheduled for trial in November. *I do not intend to comment on this matter any further.
With all of the thousands of people who have given the courses such high marks and accolades, we will win this case!
[emphasis added…because those two statements reveal so much…]
*Impossible!
Read the whole thing.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:11 pmi think Mr. Trump will appoint judges what will be much more favorable-minded to the fetuses than NARAL-endorsed hillary will
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:19 pmCheck out my taco salad. It shows I love hispanics.
Trump’s not going to be the GOP nominee. I’m calling it. He is just unbelievably stupid.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:19 pmDonald makes my taco pop!
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:22 pmIt’s really simple: he let his alligator mouth overload his humminbird ass. Again.
Bill H (971e5f) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:24 pmWow, he called a Mexican American Mexican and pointed out the obvious — the guy is biased against him.
Earth shattering.
But let the race hustlers go wild, sadly now republican who have been burned by this race hustling are partaking in it.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:30 pmTrump translated: Not even my True Believers and Party Drones believe my bulls***.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:30 pmmy daddy donald trump
he really makes my taco pop
he sends a tingle up my leg
cause my brain’s a scrambled egg
my donald trump
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:33 pmDonald Trump also lied and claimed it was possible that the IRS was auditing him every year because he was a Right-wing Christian.
Trump doesn’t have the first idea how to become a Christian, and he isn’t even close to becoming one.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:37 pmTrump doesn’t have the first idea what a Conservative value system looks like, and he’s not in any danger of losing his Leftist values.
This is like when George Wallace said “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” he wasn’t really talking about segregation. It was just misconstrued.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:40 pmLa Raza, pendejo…
Colonel Haiku Channeling Leviticus (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:42 pmJudge Curiel was an anchor baby.
He’s associated with a local arm of the racialist organization La Raza (“The Race”), which opposes Trump’s policies.
He’s also a member of the racialist Hispanic National Bar Association, which also opposes Trump’s policies.
He should recuse himself.
Denver Guy (ceec3e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:44 pmCruz/West
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:45 pmDonald Trump capitalizes on the flat-out Racism of a large portion of his leg-humpers. He should recuse himself from America, and take his racist Trump-humpers with him.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:51 pmHis comments where not misconstrued but his underlying point is accurate. Judge gotta go.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:51 pmvery bad judge
dishonors the name of his family with his perversions of justice
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:52 pm#14 Another Conservative doing name calling praying those same racist leg humpers would vote for Cruz. Then, yeah, forget whatever it is I said about you.
LOL, breathless hypocrisy.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:53 pmhahaha
stick to taco poppin pikachu
its your thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-9eOWsp8o
dance party with tacos all a poppin
trumpyfeet (c8876d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:54 pmI hate Trump Voters they are racist, bigot, homophobic, xenophobes
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:54 pm.
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If only they had voted for ted Cruz! Then we’d be all good.
Anyone who says Trump supporters are racist is accepting 100% the premise the Democrat put out that Republicans are mostly racist pigs.
Just saying. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:55 pmLook. A taco salad. I love Mexicans.
JD (7fd277) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:56 pm#20 This is why I say Trump has turned normally rational Conservatives into raving crazies.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:57 pmEvery single Trump idolator, including ropelight, papertiger, RKS, hf, is a raving lunatic. Sane people don’t go all-in for Trump.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:59 pmMr. Trump’s the only other choice besides gruesome piddles
what’s a lil pikachu supposed to do
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:00 pmJohn,
If you weren’t such an idiot, you’d know I am not a Trump idolator.
But I have a choice, and given that I never vote for the Left, I’ll take Trump over Hillary.
So keep praying for Cruz if you wish but I prefer to anchor my expectations on reality.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:02 pmcruz could still pull this out in California Mr. Spirit
he owns the tranny issue and his sacky been fasting for victory
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:03 pm#24 Happy,
They want pee-stank and more leftism because they are principled Conservatives.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:03 pmok i lied about the fasting
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:03 pm“my comments have been misconstrued”
Of course they have.
There are two political parties, a White House, a national press, a boatload of foreign countries, and any number of amateur pundits who have devoted themselves 24/7 to misconstruing everything he says.
tom swift (61955a) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:04 pmYes, RKS, that’s why you grossly misrepresented what I said, and accused me of a great other things that I have never said, while proclaiming the unwavering nature of Donald Trump. Because you’re reality-based.
Tell another lie.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:04 pm#24 Happy,
They want a corrupt leftist because they are principled Conservatives.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:04 pm#30 Please indicate what I have “grossly misrepresented” …. just curious.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:05 pmThat didn’t take long. He was telling another lie while I was typing.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:06 pmit makes no sense
we’re americans
we’re rugged
we’re individualists
we have a sense of adventure
let’s do this
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:07 pmNote this bit of Trumpese
Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case
Trump apparently thinks the simple fact that the Judge is allowing the case to go to trial is unfair and mistaken. Either that, or he wants to prepare the ground to get the public to reject a verdict against him, and allow him to claim bias no matter what the results.
So either he does not understand how our legal system works, or he wants to use public opinion to corrupt the results, Baltimore style.
In either case, this is yet more evidence that he is unfit and/or unqualified to be POTUS.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:12 pm#14 Donald Trump capitalizes on the flat-out Racism of a large portion of his leg-humpers. He should recuse himself from America, and take his racist Trump-humpers with him. John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:51 pm
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But if you racist leg-humpers could vote for Ted Cruz then please stay. We’d need your vote to beat Hillary.
If no Cruz then screw you racist leg-humpers with your bibles and guns. Move to Canada.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:13 pmif failmerica’s sleazy rapeversities for example “Harvard” were held to the same standard as Trump University
that would be a reckoning right there
but of course as conservatives you know this
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:14 pm#35 When lawyers lobby and cajole the judiciary it is OK. When Trump does it “he does not understand how our legal system works, or he wants to use public opinion to corrupt the results.”
LOL.
First, my conclusion, then I wrap my analysis around it.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:15 pmHe thinks his Trumpkins are stupid.
On this, we agree. They’ll buy this; they’ll think he had proved something. Almost nobody is looking at the facts of the case. Power Line’s Paul Mirengoff is:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/no-bias-evident-in-key-trump-u-ruling.php
This is why Trump is trying this case through the media. There he can just spout off with nobody to contradict him or adjudicate his statements.
And the easily led, easily riled campus Trump Justice Warriors (TJWs) will demand JUSTICE for Trump, because their precious, The Donald, is getting unfairly manhandled by a “Messican La Raza judge.”
Of course, that doesn’t mean there aren’t @$$hole Trump h8ers involved. Just listen to this brown-nosing lawyer who is clearly working for the other side.
Oh, wait. My bad. This is Trump’s own lead lawyer, David Petrocelli on May 6.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/actions-speak-louder-than-trump-his-own-lawyer-said-the-judge-is-doing-his-job-in-trump-u-case-224338852.html?nhp=1
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:17 pm#37 I was just at an un-named Boston Graduation last week (lest I be accused of braggin again) and I can assure you they got screwed tons more than Trump U.
$230K plus for a $40k per year job. LOL.
But Trump U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:17 pmBut I have a choice, and given that I never vote for the Left, I’ll take Trump over Hillary.
The choice is not binary. You can refuse to vote for either one because both are obviously unfit for office. You may not be able to avoid a President who is unfit for office but you do not have to condone it: you can object.
Instead, in typical Trumpist fashion you attack the integrity of those of us who do object. You don’t even seem to understand that Trump is as much a part of the statist authoritarian Left as Hillary.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:20 pmTrump’s not going to be the GOP nominee.
Prove there is a God
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:21 pmSteve57,
Pretty hard to find a Lawyer willing to question the Judge on a case they are trying. So they will say whatever to avoid conflict. Lawyers love to get their procedural request honored and pissing off the judge is the wrong way to do so.
I am also pretty sure Trumpster’s Lawyers are pissed over what he has done. Not 100% sure but pretty sure they would acknowledge this makes their jobs harder.
And this has nothing to do with Curiel being biased.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:21 pmyou forgot how they tried to blacklist alito, for a different philosophical belief, pretended it was the black hand,
http://www.commoncause.org/press/press-releases/justice-alito-flouts-ethical-standards.html?referrer=http://prospect.org/article/justice-samuel-alitos-deep-roots-american-right
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:22 pmHere Trump contradicting his own legal team, who have said Curiel has been extremely fair. EVERYONE who has actually read Curiel’s rulings in this case has come to that same conclusion. Only Trumpkins whose single news source is Trump’s @$$ imagine differently.
The hallmark of a true cheesed*ck. No one except Trump questioned Curiel’s impartiality. He threw out those baseless allegations and smears, and now he is anonymously citing himself.
Why?
Because he thinks his supporters are stupid.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:24 pmAgreed. A ticket I could easily vote for.
Bill H (971e5f) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:24 pm37
Trump is not lobbying and cajoling the judiciary. He is attacking it, and using his position as a candidate to launch that attack.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:25 pmit makes no sense
we’re americans
we’re rugged
we’re individualists
we have a sense of adventure
let’s do this
“God protects fools, drunkards and the United States of America.” But I wouldn’t make it part of the plan.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:26 pm[Random phone book choice 1/random phone book choice 2] is a ticket I’d prefer to Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:27 pm#41 .. How many times have I been told that a no vote is a vote for the other party. Not anymore. So protest by giving Hillary a +1. Great advice. Got it.
Worse yet Kish, your guys are running around calling Trump Supporters racists and all sorts of names yet you get your panties in a wad cuz I call your side names? GTFOH!!!!!!!!! Of course I attack your sides integrity, you are displaying none.
AS I HAVE POINTED OUT 100% CORRECTLY, you f*ers love these “racist leg humpers” when they vote for a guy you like. Ted Cruz for example built his entire campaign around getting their votes. If not for Trump, Cruz would have won in a landslide. But now those “racist leg humpers” vote for someone you don’t like … and they are all unter-menschen. Huh?
No seriously guys, GFY with that line of reasoning. Yeah, integrity … LOL.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:28 pmRKS, they didn’t question the rulings. They praised them. These are two entirely different things. They didn’t need to go out of their way to do that. If they didn’t think something was a sound decision they didn’t need to question it, on the one hand, but they also didn’t need to give they media a sound bite that the Trump legal team thought one of Curiel’s rulings was a “sound decision.”
Save it for the Trumpkins. I know the difference.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:28 pm#47 When Lawyers corrupt the system it is OK. All in da club. Heaven forbid a Businessmen try the same.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:29 pmLook at who now considers himself a deity, able to view the heart and soul of men. Maybe your brand of Christianity is more “pure”, but I don’t seem to remember the passage where the Bible says “Verily, random blowhards on the Internet are graced with the vision to decide who can come to me and who can not. They, and not the Lord, act at the gatekeepers of the faith and heaven”. Can you find that passage for me?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:30 pmTrump is not lobbying and cajoling the judiciary. He is attacking it, and using his position as a candidate to launch that attack.
Shorter Trump: “You’d better mind your place Jose, or I’ll crush you when I’m President!”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:32 pmLawyers know perfectly well how to say, “no comment” if they don’t want to say, “sound decision.”
Or they can take the same advice they give to their clients and keep their yap shut.
Petrocelli didn’t; he offered a bit of praise.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:32 pmRKS,
It’s not the half a vote that Hillary gets that I begrudge.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:33 pm#51 Steve57 ……….
Far be it from me to question the integrity of lawyers but I have had them tell me I have a great case and then after a ruling tell me the Judge was right and I was wrong. Lawyers lie all the time.
So a Lawyer praises a judge to make sure they stay on his good side? Yeah, that is what they need to do cuz they get paid for it.
So save the BS reverse engineering for someone of lower intellect.
Trump has every right to do what he is doing and if you feel that is corrupting the Courts then you have a weird view of the Court system in this Country. It is already very very very very corrupt (as it is elsewhere).
Would I do what Trump is doing? No. But I also understand the outrage he likely feels at what is going on.
Want to get ripped off? Go to an Ivy League School and get a Liberal Arts Degree. Now that is getting ripped off.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:33 pm#55 Lawyers also know that buttering up a Judge they will see again and again helps them make more money in the long run.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:34 pm#56 I begrudge every vote a Leftist gets. The Left is evil.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:34 pmBaseless? They are from the judge’s own disclosure and bio forms. And, of course, from the website of the organization in question. So how is something that the judge is proud of considered a “smear”?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:35 pmIn either case, this is yet more evidence that he is unfit and/or unqualified to be POTUS.
He could expose himself on live TV to a audience of nuns and it wouldn’t be enough evidence for some.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:36 pm#54 I very much hope Trump does crush people like Curiel and his lot of Leftists.
Grinds them into the ground. Fires them. Cuts off funding. Denies them appointments.
That is exactly one of two reasons I want Trump at this time.
He might finally take the fight to the Left instead of sitting around the parlor talking theory.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:36 pmpowlerguy, you do know that the radical “National Council of La Raza” is not remotely related to the organizations the judge belongs to, don’t you? Just like the Republican Party isn’t affiliated with Saddam’s Republican Guard?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:38 pmSo, what RKS wants is a dictator or even an emperor. Sounds like treason to me.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:39 pmThe passage where Paul tells Christians that they most definitely are to judge those who claim to be part of the church?
No problemo!
I Corinthians 5:
Yeah, just it case it went over your head, prowlerguy, which happens a lot, let me help you out here. Paul’s answer is YES! You are to judge those inside.
Perhaps you should read through the Bible, prowlerguy, before assuming that a passage isn’t in the Bible. Which, uhh, is in the Bible.
Anytime, prowlerguy. I’m here to help.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:44 pm58
Yet you attack anyone who does not support Trump, who is himself a Leftist. Meaning a big government authoritarian imperial-president statist with a dash of crony capitalism on the side, and a bigger case of narcissism than Obama.
You either are not intelligent enough to understand that or too dishonest to even care that everyone can see your dishonesty.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:45 pmI would have stopped right there, Kevin, and started laughing. Knowing anything past that point is wasted effort.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:47 pmDidn’t Trump crown Miss Construed at one of his beauty contests in 1991?
DCSCA (a343d5) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:56 pmsexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler
And four of those apply to Trump just based on facts already known to the public.
And Trump is the man who said he’s never felt the need to ask God for forgiveness for anything.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:58 pmSince repentance is crucial to the spiritual life in every religion except maybe Shinto and Hinduism, that alone should call into question his status as a Christian.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:58 pm
Exactly right, Kish.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:59 pmThis isn’t really addressed to you, prowlerguy. It’s to everyone else who hasn’t been doing meth.
Does anybody else besides me remember that Trump’s beef with Curiel was that he is “Mexican” and Trump is “building a wall?” And that up until now only Trump’s critics have been saying it would have perhaps been legitimate to go after Curiel’s possible associations with La Raza, but not the fact he’s Mexican? You know, like this:
http://conservativeread.com/gingrich-trump-remarks-about-judge-mistake-inexcusable/
You know, prowlerguy, Trump has zero respect for you. He thinks you’re a moron with the attention span of a gnat. And you come along to, what, prove him right?
I can’t take what he’s saying in that press release seriously because he hasn’t been saying it until he issued that press release. But that press release wasn’t written for me, it was written for you, and it worked. All Trump has to do is speak and he creates a whole new reality for you. And you buy into it 100% and, for you, what was happening up until three minutes ago never existed.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:00 pmBenghazi: An attempt to cover a screw up so bad that it will cost you everything, then lie, get caught, and continue to lie to try and cover the lies.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:03 pmYeah, we live in Biblical times.
“We have in our day no prince, prophet, or leader” (Daniel 3:38).
And speaking of today’s pundits.
“You build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the memorials of the righteous, and you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have joined them in shedding the prophets’ blood.’ Thus you bear witness against yourselves that you are the children of those who murdered the prophets” (Matthew 23:29-31).
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:05 pmcarry on with whatever rationalization you care to have.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/275821-breaking-san-jose-police-id-4-arrested-in-attacks-on-trump-supporters-say-more-arrests-iminent/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:09 pm“I have a choice, and given that I never vote for the Left, I’ll take Trump over Hillary.”
Trump is a big government authoritarian leftist.
JD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:10 pmcarry on with whatever rationalization *you* care to have.
“you” who? Anybody here claim that the “protesters” were the Junior Chapter of the DAR?
What I did hear from Trumpkins was “bad, bad, police”. Which, BTW, I must have missed hearing from Trump himself. Or maybe he was in this instance more sensible than his choir?
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:15 pmyes, the fact that liccardo has been steadfastly against enforcement for the last 10 years means nothing,
it’s a little like the ‘accident’ that lambrakis had in 1963, when the authorities abet unlawfulness, bad things happen,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:21 pmthey might want to rephrase,
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235686-2/#respond
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:23 pm“So maybe Hillary can break the glass ceiling and become the First Felon Ever Nominated for President.”
— Ace
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:27 pmAnyone who claims to never felt the need to ask Jesus for forgiveness is not a Christian.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:31 pmAnyone who claims to be the Greatest Christian is not a Christian.
Nor does such a person have the first clue what it is to be a Christian.
the power of mammon, I’m surprised she didn’t thank every contributor from beijing to moscow,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:32 pmShe used her office as her own personal hedge fund.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:33 pmAnd yes, we are told to throw the bum out, to not even eat with such a person. And since eating with such a person is far down the scale compared to voting such a person into the highest authority in the land, voting for such a person is off the table.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:33 pm“Z”? The investigating prosecutor, later to become President under the new constitution, was a landsman of ours, from Mani. The murder was committed by the Palace. The King acting “para-constitutionally”, read unlawfully, was the ostensible reason for the junta in 1967.
Do you think Liccardo is getting his marching orders from Obama?
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:48 pmwhat would driving someone to suicide, qualify as john
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2016/06/what-hillary-did-just-before-vince.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DougRossJournal+%28Doug+Ross+%40+Journal%29
how about letting someone be abandoned, sodomized and choked to death, for following the mission you sent them on,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:48 pmhe doesn’t need to, like lerner, like shinseki, like mark lloyd they already know what to do, and who to,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:49 pmcivility, as ghandi might have said ‘something worth a shot’
http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/07/detroit-free-press-editor-calls-for-murder-of-gop-lawmakers/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:55 pmSteve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:28 pm
That was the decision to postpone the trial till after the election?
So this is the way Trump thanked him? Did that make him feel now it was safe to attack the judge? Do you know what brought this all on?
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:09 pmThis is one of the sleazier, in fact sinister, aspects of the whole Trump U. scam and it needs wider play. From the press release (link at the top of the page):
Again, Trump thinks his Trumpkins are stupid. I have yet to see evidence he’s wrong, but maybe this will get someone willing to take a look at this thug.
Every word in that paragraph is false. Her lawyers did not ask her to step down. It’s a matter of record why Tarla Makaeff herself asked to be relieved as lead plaintiff. Trump and his lawyers put her through a living hell, and promised to continue to do so until her life was ruined and she was bankrupt.
First, there was the frivolous and malicious counter-suit in which Trump accused her of defamation for clearly protected speech and demanded $1M in damages. Trump lost because, did I mention the counter-suit was both malicious and frivolous?
http://www.casp.net/uncategorized/makaeffs-anti-slapp-motion-finally-granted-in-lawsuit-against-trump-university-anti-slapp-statute-still-applicable-to-state-claims-in-federal-court/
Trump could not meet that burden because, did I mention this counter-suit was both malicious and frivolous. The court dismissed Trump’s counter-suit and awarded Makaeff $800k. But only for legal fees.
Since Trump is (he says) worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS!!! he can afford to be malicious if not entirely frivolous and threatened to keep filing these suits until Makaeff was ruined and broke.
Also, shortly after this four years of living hell was over for Makaeff, Trump became candidate Trump. And we all know what nice, reasonable people the Trumpkins are. They began stalking her. They began threatening her life. Because, the precious! The Donald! She filed to be replaced as Lead Plaintiff. From the court filing:
http://zhlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Memo-of-PsAs-Dkt-443-1.pdf
The judge allowed the case to continue because there was nothing about Tarla Makaeff or her claims that made her unique. There were literally thousands of interchangeably ripped-off student-victims who could have replaced her.
Also, not that the con man Donald Trump talks incessantly about those evaluations. The only thing that establishes is that Trump and the people he had operating this fraudulent university were experienced con artists. Because it has been firmly established, not just in this case, in all the class action suits that just as these student-victims were raise the credit limits on their cards so they could buy the most expensive Trump U. course possible, these people were also subjected to the same high-pressure techniques to give these glowing evaluations at the beginning of the courses.
Before they knew they had been ripped off.
And the only purpose these evaluations serve, as they are irrelevant in court, is to run another con. On the public in general, and on the Trumpkins in particular.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:10 pmfelipe @72.
There is no Daniel 3:38 in my Bible.
It’s not in the Apocrypha, either,
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:16 pmmuch of what has been canon, was entirely or at least partially wrong:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:16 pmthey’ll buy anything at least once,
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/06/02/ed-rendell-blames-donald-trump-for-lack-of-dnc-funding/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:22 pmSammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:16 pm
Try a Catholic Bible.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:22 pmthe passage, in context,
http://www.sacredspace.ie/node/186333
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:25 pmKJV Book of Danial stops at 3:30.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:26 pmThank you, Narciso, that page is most relevant.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:28 pmMine stops at Daniel 3:33.
So where does this quote “We have in our day no prince, prophet, or leader” come from?
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:36 pma much more extensive commentary,
http://www.preceptaustin.org/daniel_3_commentary.htm
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:40 pm“So maybe Hillary can break the glass ceiling and become the First Felon Ever Nominated for President.”
Hardly. LBJ, for example.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:42 pmArchie Bunker’s word was “misconscrewed.”
Trump is pretty much Archie Bunker, so.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:44 pm98. No Daniel 3:38 there.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:44 pmOf course Hitchcock’s problem is born of the drink. (YouTube)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:47 pmwe make idols, like the golem, of sports entertainment, politicos, and everything but what should be venerated, because all of the former are flawed because people are, but god is the only perfect being,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:48 pmI wonder how many of the Trump U plaintiffs will cut ads for Clinton. Or Mom & Pop vendors to bankrupt Trump hotels who lost their life’s work when he didn’t pay them. Or employees whose medical insurance was cut off during their cancer treatment because the insurance company wasn’t being paid. Etc.
I’m sure he’ll just run a bunch of counter-commercials screaming LIARS! and that will fix it all.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:48 pmDJT, with geometric logic, had us with the strawberries. Next, he’ll be going to the Middle East for the waters.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:52 pm“So maybe Hillary can break the glass ceiling and become the First Felon Ever Nominated for President.”
No way. Even if presumptive nominee does not count, the Republican convention is July 18-21 and the Democratic convention is July 25-28. Trump beats her by a week.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:56 pm#74 Trump is a leftist? Lol.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:58 pmthere is no chance, zampolit lynch will indict here, that’s not why she was put in the office,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:58 pmIt is a post prophetical interpolation
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:00 pmhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prayer_of_Azariah_and_Song_of_the_Three_Holy_Children
yes, he was a democrat in new york, shocker, except for the knickerbocker club, how many natural republicans were there originally,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:02 pmSammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:36 pm
I’m curious, Sammy, what Is your source? I’ll try and track down an answer for you about the additional verses.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:04 pmnarciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:55 pm
Rather odd fact–the method specified by the DFP column was the method used in ancient Rome to execute those convicted of parricide.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:07 pmAnyone want to bet that Trump is not indicted for tax evasion along about October? And further that he might even be guilty? After all, if they can convict D’Souza of a felony, someone like Trump, who seems sometimes to be cavalier about things and willing to skate the edge, might have neglected an I or T someplace or other.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:09 pmthe state is their father, it’s not really not that odd ‘from a certain point of view’
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:09 pmfelipe, see the Wikipedia article I linked.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:09 pm114
Good point.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:10 pmah kevin, how many examples do you need to know it doesn’t matter if he’s guilty or not, ask george zimmerman, the next time he pipes out of his burrow,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:11 pmKevin M, if the Obama administration did attempt an indictment of Trump this Fall, I would be very worried about open violence breaking out. I would love to believe that Obama isn’t that stupid, but he is.
SPQR (a3a747) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:12 pmwhat would stop him, prosecutorial discretion, you’ve already assumed he’s guilty,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:14 pmTrump is pretty much Archie Bunker
This is rather unfair to Mr Bunker. Archie wasn’t a bully. He didn’t threaten people. He didn’t cheat on his wife.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:15 pmHe wasn’t a closet homo. Much different.I would have thought this was a better tack, but ‘no one listens to zathras’
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/judge_in_trump_lawsuit_ruled_against_sacred_indian_burial_ground_in_favor_of_wind_project_scam.html
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:17 pmif the Obama administration did attempt an indictment of Trump this Fall
OK, suppose he did it next week?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:17 pmkishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:09 pm
I checked it out, Kish, no offense but Wiki is not exactly authoritative to us Catholics any more than it would be to the Chosen People. The Church of England making pronouncements on Catholic Canon? I can believe they meant “in their Canon.”
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:18 pmKevin M., Obama is cunning enough, or his puppeteers are, not to allow any such thing before the RNC.
SPQR (a3a747) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:19 pmthe memory of what the left did to a worthier candidate, no not macho grande this time, driving someone into half a million dollars debt, on bogus ethics charges, what chisholm did to walker supporters suborned by the new york times, what engelbrecht suffered for her work with true the vote,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:19 pmIt’s a Democrat appointed La Raza judge. I see no reason to vouch for his credibility, fairness and impartiality.
jcurtis (4ed521) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:30 pmah a blast from the past,
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235657-2/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:31 pmFelipe, it is like the Greek Additions to Esther:a passage interpolated much later and hence not found in the Masoretic text. Protestants (and of course we Jews) therefore reject it. Catholics and Eastern Orthodox accept it, since it appears in the Septuagint.
So it is not in my Bible but it is in yours.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:33 pmdo they fundamentally change the story of esther?
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:36 pmWoolite® on her breath
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:40 pmFlush with victory she banks
personal hedge fund
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:33 pm
Yes, I understand, everything has a provenance. I am interested in tracking down the Catholic provenance of the text in question. I like this discussion.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:41 pmHi I’m a leftist
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:42 pmI love giant government
So which one am I
I lie and lie and
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:43 pmLie and lie and lie and lie
Hillary or Trump
The question, for me, is why it appears in the Greek translation of the Septuagint if it does not appear in the Hebrew or Aramaic texts.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:44 pmWe face a stark choice
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:44 pmVote for the old leftist trash
Or for Hillary
I’m old and stupid
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:46 pmAnd smell bad and lie a lot
I’m your candidate
you howl at the night
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:49 pmgnash your teeth rend your garments
kiss your ass goodbye
yep, he’s gone full ginsberg, allen not ben or the ruth bader,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:50 pmeat all teh MoonPies
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:51 pmdrink up your RC Cola
bark at fu*kin’ moon
oh yes yes mr P
but afloat among supporters its not clown nose on clown nose off
more like check out my junk
fake tough tough folks for braggy lying motormouth incompetent spray tans what seem overly concerned with hand size
or
peeps all atwitter about lady parts and history even when those lady parts what are attached to snotty incompetent felons with crashed hard drives what lie to families of dead soldiers
plus both are sleazy and married to sleazy
its not failameria
its more failparties
its my party and ill fail if i want to
not so different no
trumpyfeet (6d9f2e) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:53 pmok I see small differences,
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Esther%203&version=NIV
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:55 pmshe trolls trailer parks
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:55 pmlooks for love to call her own
Bubbles sports woodie
Hillary X2
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:05 pmSorry, guys, this is not a generation of vipers. More a generation of vapids. Hardrock, Coco, and Joe. No prophet would waste his time on us.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:09 pmVote for the gash as she will take away the 2nd amendment. Come and get it biotches.
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:11 pmwe’re more like ancient times then you think,
https://twitter.com/JusticeWillett/status/738541594115112960
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:11 pmI didn’t misconstrue Trump’s comments whatsoever. They were objectively racist.
WarrenPeese (1df851) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:11 pmNeverHillaryTrump.
yes, zaphod is ever present, yet the point still is valid,
http://biblehub.com/judges/21-25.htm
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:14 pmI am so glad my wife and daughters can hit what they aim at. Bring it on republicans, you cowardice pukes.
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:14 pmHave you ever considered that capitalism and communism are just two sides of materialism?
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:15 pmas the old wag goes, ‘in capitalism man exploits man,’ and in communism, a query ‘it’s the reverse’
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:18 pmOrwell made much the same point in animal farm,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:19 pmTrump gonna cut up that old carp, with or without the elitist conservatives.
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:20 pmright, and you thought the iphone was a genuine trawl,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630024/Immigration-official-BLOCKED-Homeland-Security-agents-seizing-San-Bernardino-gun-supplier-day-attack-lied-investigators-guess-won-t-disciplined.html
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:44 pmCrazy Bernie on TV revealing his socialist agenda and promising to fight on in the DC primary then take his cause to the Democrat convention. The struggle continues.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:01 pmDecision Desk finally calls Cali for HRC. She started the day with almost exactly a 2 – 1 advantage from early voting.
Bernie’s gonna hold on to the last moment, just in case something happens to HRC.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:46 am109. I found it in my copy of the Apocrypha, but the additions to Daniel were there as two separate books. The phrase also vaguely resembles something in the Yom Kippur prayers – where the avodah (service in the Temple) is recounted. There is no this, no that.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 4:05 amTrump is a buffoon – but no US Judge should be a member of La Raza.
I think Trump is a con man, and in a fair trial he could be show as one – but if the Judge provides the appearance of impropriety the guarantee of a fair trial is eviscerated.
Our Judicial system has been corrupt for decades due to identity politics, and the Judiciary giving into the administrative state. If Trump is able to shed a little light on that, there is that public benefit.
We have judicially created “prosecutor/police/judicial immunity” – hell, the ABA code of ethics makes it a punishable offense if an attorney even criticizes a judge – any public event that teaches judges some humility is a good thing.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 5:36 amTHE – JUDGE – IS – NOT – A – MEMBER – OF – LA – RAZA.
More slowly? Ok.
T-h-e j-u-d-g-e i-s n-o-t a m-e-m-b-e-r o-f L-a R-a-z-a.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:06 amI hate fake veterans who puff up their claims of valor and courage. They are the lowest kind of slime, and deserve more scorn and condemnation than peace activists, who are at least morally consistent.
Please show me where in that ruling by the 9th that the case was found to be malicious and frivolous. They only found that Trump was a public figure. And it was also found that “Trump had shown a probability of prevailing on its claim” regarding both the falseness of her statements and her knowledge of their falseness. The court only found that he would likely be unable to demonstrate actual malice on her part, which is almost always the case in libel cases involving a public figure. But yet, despite the fact you have read the record in this case, you insist on add your own interpretation and presenting it as the court’s findings. Basically dishonest, but that is how you live your life, so why should your online persona be any different?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:06 amThe judge disagrees with you, since he trumpet his membership in the SDLRLA, and SDLRLA proudly trumpets La Raza as part of their affiliated “community” organizations. Apparently you think that “La Raza” is a single group, much like you likely considered Al Queda to be a single group. What they both are is a loose affiliation of various sub-groups and splinter groups who share political goals and co-ordinate their efforts towards that goal.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:10 amE por se move, I don’t know the Greek version.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:11 amThat is your spin. Trumpkin spin.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:22 amEppur si muove. When Greeks try to speak their neighbors’ languages, they do it properly.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:25 amnk – you may consider it “spin” – but I am anything but a trumpite.
Any affiliation with La Raza is exactly the same as any affiliation with the KKK.
Any.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:36 amSteve57 @ 89 on 6/7/2016 @ 8:10 pm
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:06 am
Steve57 didn’t say it was the 9th circuit Court of Appeals that found the counter-suit to be malicious and frivolous.
Maybe he didn’t wrote clearly enough, but he means the district court did so after it remanded back to it.
Here, I think, “probability” can’t possibly mean more than a 50% chance, and this is probably a mistake on the part of the steve57 – or else what he wrote is makes no sense.
“Probability of prevailing” has to mean “possibility of prevailing” I think that’s what the usual standard is that a case has to fail to meet in order for it to be dismissed.
Of course, the 9th circuit changed the terms of the analysis. The first time around the judge held that Trump was not a public figure and therefore did not have to show actual malice, but the second time, when he or she dismissed the lawsuit with penalties, the judge was told by the 9th circuit that Trump was a limited-purpose public figure (Tarla Makaeff had to be free to comment on the issue of whether or not Trump University was a fraud, or whether Trump countenanced cheating people, I assume) and therefore must show by clear and convincing evidence that Makaeff made her statements with actual malice.
Which fact made his lawsuit frivolous. There was no way what she said could be considered malice because she had also sued him and the case had not been either dimissed or lost.
Steve57 is saying the lawsuit by Trump was held to be both malicious and frivolous because Trump was assessed anti-SLAPP penalties, and for that to happen the lawsuit has to be frivolous and malicious.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:39 amSo let me understand, nk. The judge proudly proclaims his loyal membership in an ethnically exclusive group. That group has “La Raza” as part of their name, proudly lists the larger “La Raza” group as part of their affiliated community, and has taken political positions EXPLICITLY based on the political positions of the larger “La Raza” group. Where, exactly, have I spun anything? Those are all simply facts. Your spin is that just because he is a member of a smaller group that is politically aligned and claims affiliate status with the larger group, he can in no way be linked to the larger group.
Fascinating that uncontested membership in a group that aligns itself with a radical ethnic group is considered no big deal to you nevertrumpers, but an “endorsement” (which was never actually given) by a former member of a radical ethnic group gives you the vapors and hysteria. Some double standards you “pure conservatives” have.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:39 amSo when a case is decided in your favor at the trial level, but it is then overturned, it then magically becomes “frivolous”?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:41 amIf the law is on your side, argue the law.
If the facts are on your side, argue the facts.
If neither the law nor the facts are on your side, lie about the judge.
Here, I’ll give you a chance to make your case.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:46 amDo you have any other instance of Curiel being accused of partiality by any other litigant before him?
How about, did his brother give money to Obama’s wife, as Trump did to the wife of the President who appointed his sister to the Third Circuit?
Or is it that the only attack on Curiel’s probity is by a “person” whose probity is as distant as his hairline?
“Whose probity is as *tenuous* as his hairline” is a better choice of words I think. What do you think, Sammy?
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:48 amHe’s only been on this court for there years, the first major decision was a sacrifice to sly dragon.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:49 amFurther, there is no provision of anti-SLAPP that requires the case to be either malicious or frivolous. The only requirement is that the action of the defendent be a protected one, and the plantiff must be unable to show a probability of prevailing.
http://www.casp.net/uncategorized/makaeffs-anti-slapp-motion-finally-granted-in-lawsuit-against-trump-university-anti-slapp-statute-still-applicable-to-state-claims-in-federal-court/
I would also note that Makeaff did not claim “malicious prosecution” because that requires that an unsuccessful civil lawsuit caused damages. They only sought an injunction to have the case stopped.
http://www.casp.net/sued-for-freedom-of-speech-california/is-my-defamation-libel-slander-internet-speech-lawsuit-a-slapp/malicious-prosecution/
So, nowhere in the findings of the court is Trump’s suit characterized a “frivolous and malicious”. That is totally the fabrication of the nevertrumps. Another lie to be added to your resume, which will hold you in good standing in your secret closed FB club. Now scamper off and see if you fellas can come up with something better.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:57 amprowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:41 am
It seems like that that’s the way Steve57 interprets it because it has to be dfrivolous for penalties to be assessed.
The first time he held that Donald Trump was not a public figure, and so the issue of malice didn’t arise; but the second time, the judge was told by the 9th circuit that Trump was indeed a limited purpose public figure, and for him to win his defamation lawsuit against Tarla Makaeff he would have to show malice – that is that what Tarla Makaeff had said about him on the Internet was eithe false or made with reckless disregard for the truth. If such a claim was not plausible, she would win win her anti-SLAPP lawsuit against Trump to get Trump’s lawsuit aagist her dismissed with penalties.
Now you could say, wait a second – if it wasn’t 100% obvious he was at least a limited purpose public figure, how could his lawsuit against Tarla Makaeff be frivolous? I mean it might in fact be frivolous, given he was a public figure, but if the judge had initially not held that way, how could the whole lawsuit be frivolous? Maybe a simplifying assumption was made.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:57 amWhat was frivolous was any suggestion that The Apprenticer was not a public figure for any and all purposes, let alone a limited purpose.
And, no, Sammy, it is not enough for a public figure to show that the statement was false. He also has to show that the truth was staring the alleged defamer right in the face and he, at least recklessly, ignored it.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:04 amAsk Robert Mcfarlane how real that requirement is.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:06 amnk, here we have the Trump University case being tried in the court of public opinion. I have no problem with the Judge being tried in the same court.
I think the recusal motion will fail – but I would love that every Latin lawyer in the us who wishes to be considered for Judge, be embarrassed by any affiliation with La Raza.
Bluntly – La Raza is more of a threat to the voter than Trump U.
Ultimately, Trump is the only R candidate who would lose to Hillary. But I hope he goes down swinging and kicks over all kinds of rocks in the process.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:08 amWhat recusal motion?
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:12 amWhat Robert Mcfarlane for that matter, while I go get another cup of coffee.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:15 amThere is no recusal motion – and if one was made, not only would it fail, but the lawyers might be sanctioned for making it (albeit a different judge would have to rule on that.)
Trump has now decided, for the tiem being anyway, to stop talking about this.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:16 am“Any affiliation with La Raza is exactly the same as any affiliation with the KKK.
Any.”
– Steve Malynn
Yeah, because of all of those decades where La Raza and the Black Panthers terrorized whole regions of the country, dominating local politics and lynching white citizens at will without repercussion.
Exactly the same.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:17 amOut: Trump U
In: La Raza
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:17 am“Every day Latinos work to make America stronger. They energize the economy and strive to make better lives for themselves, their families, and their communities. Our mission is to improve their opportunities for success in achieving the American Dream.
Since 1968, the National Council of La Raza has remained a trusted, nonpartisan voice for Latinos. This is the community we serve through our research, policy analysis, and state and national advocacy efforts, as well as in our programs work in communities nationwide.
We partner with Affiliates across the country to serve millions of Latinos in the areas of civic engagement, civil rights and immigration, education, workforce and the economy, health, and housing. We believe in fighting for our community and for an America where economic, political, and social advancement is a reality for all Latinos.”
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:19 amThe October surprise story in esquire, it was litigated and yet it was dismissed,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:20 amnk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:04 am
Yes. The alleged defamer has either got to know it is false – I managed to leave that idea out or, as you say, the truth was staring the alleged defamer right in the face and he, at least recklessly, he ignored it. Of course if the “defamation” was true, the “defamer” wins anyway.
I think theer’s another defense in libel cases, though. If there is a running dispute between two people, there is no issue of libel or slander.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:22 amTo the best of my knowledge, he has never had a party before him that had political views so at odds with his own public political affiliations. Is previous complaints of bias required for there to be partiality in this case?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:22 amYou could fill a thimble with what I know about Shintoism, but I remember what happened the last time a Shinto tyrant was in charge of an important country: Pearl Harbor.
Anyone who proclaims before thousands of people “I am a great Christian!” is profoundly unclear on the concept.
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:27 am“To the best of my knowledge, he has never had a party before him that had political views so at odds with his own public political affiliations.”
– prowlerguy
I’d wager dollars to donuts that Curiel has previously had dumb*ss spray-tanned fraudsters as parties in his court before. He’s a federal judge in Southern California.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:28 amHoly Graping At Straws, Batman!
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:28 amGraping = Grasping
Dammit.
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:29 amThe only prominent one, was when he ruled for windfarm over native Americans, what a guy,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:30 amI dunno about that. Do they have such people in, for example, Hollywood or thereabouts? 🙂
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:31 amI’ve heard rumors. Good enough for me!
Leviticus channeling Trump Supporters (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:32 amAlso, kishnevi: Think about what it took for Emperor Hirohito to finally repent. Remember all the discussion about Obama in Hiroshima; how many people addressed the fact that it took TWO nukes before Japan surrendered?
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:37 amnarciso, do you honestly believe in your heart of heart of hearts(sic) that the “Indian burial ground” suit was not a grasping at straws by hippies who had communed with magic mushrooms?
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:38 amAnd we protected his kin that went rabid in the phillipines and even in banking proper, but remember they were dealing with gaijin. So all is permitted,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:43 amSome interesting things on NCLR here:
“Aztlan” and the Question of “Reconquista”
According to the late Rep. Charlie Norwood (R-Georgia), NCLR teaches that “Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as ‘Aztlán’—a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America.” Norwood stated that La Raza views this region as the rightful property of the government and people of Mexico, and thus seeks to bring about a Mexican “Reconquista” (“Reconquest”) of these southwestern states. But such a reconquest “won’t end with territorial occupation and secession,” Norwood added. “The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of ‘Aztlán.’” Norwood also characterized NCLR as “a radical racist group … one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.”
John Stone, president of the U.S. Freedom Foundation and former chief of staff to Rep. Norwood, similarly maintains that NCLR has ties to a number of separatist Reconquista groups.
In 2007, La Raza’s website stated explicitly that NCLR’s mission is the “empowerment of our gente [people] and the liberation of Aztlán.”
NCLR, however, says it is a “misconception” to believe that it has ever, at any time, endorsed “the notion of a ‘Reconquista’ or ‘Aztlán.’”
La Raza’s Support of Separatist Groups
While claiming that it “has never supported, and does not support, separatist organizations,” NCLR acknowledges that in 2003 it provided the Georgetown University chapter of MEChA—an openly separatist Chicano student group—with a $2,500 grant. But NCLR defends that grant by asserting that MEChA’s “primary objectives are educational—to help Latino students finish high school and go to college, and to support them while at institutions of higher education.”
The Premise That America Is Racist, Hateful, and Discriminatory
NCLR has succeeded in defining, on its own terms, the parameters of the immigration debate by smearing critics of its agendas as “anti-immigrant” racists. Typical was a 2008 campaign called “We Can Stop the Hate.” Launched by NCLR with the assistance of the Center for American Progress, Media Matters, and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), this campaign was overtly designed to silence critics who raised alarms about mass illegal immigration into the United States, and who opposed amnesty and open borders. The La Raza campaign portrayed such concerns as the “rhetoric of hate groups, nativists, and vigilantes.”
Opposing Assimilation
NCLR opposes legislation that would make English the official language of the United States. Former La Raza president Raul Yzaguirre once declared that “U.S. English”—America’s oldest, largest citizens’-action group dedicated to preserving English as the national tongue—“is to Hispanics, as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.”
Strongly supportive of bilingual education and the provision of bilingual ballots for Spanish-speaking voters, NCLR in 1998 joined other left-wing groups in filing a lawsuit designed to prevent Proposition 227, California’s ballot initiative for bilingual-education reform, from becoming state law.
Michele Waslin, who served as a senior researcher and spokeswoman at NCLR from 2001-07, denounced Senator Lamar Alexander’s proposal to provide government grants to immigrants who wished to learn English and American history, and to organizations offering courses in those subjects. Waslin warned that while the amendment “doesn’t overtly mention assimilation, it is very strong on the patriotism and traditional American values language in a way which is potentially dangerous to our communities.”
Controversy over the Name “La Raza”
The words “La Raza” (Spanish for “The Race”) in NCLR’s name have long been a source of considerable controversy. Critics claim that the name reflects an organizational commitment to racial separatism and race-based grievance mongering. By NCLR’s telling, however, such critics have mistranslated the word “Raza.” “The term ‘La Raza,’” says the organization, “has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as ‘the people’ or, according to some scholars, ‘the Hispanic people of the New World.’” According to NCLR, “the full term,” which was coined by the Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos, is “la raza cósmica,” meaning “the cosmic people.” NCLR describes this as “an inclusive concept” whose purpose is to express the fact that “Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.”
NCLR’s interpretation of Vasconcelos’s explanation, however, is inaccurate. As Guillermo Lux and Maurilio Vigil (professors of history and political science, respectively, at New Mexico Highlands University) note in their 1991 book, Aztlan: Essays on the Chicano Homeland:
“The concept of La Raza can be traced to the ideas and writings of Jose Vasconcelos, the Mexican theorist who developed the theory of la raza cosmica (the cosmic or super race) at least partially as a minority reaction to the Nordic notions of racial superiority. Vasconelos developed a systematic theory which argued that climatic and geographic conditions and mixture of Spanish and Indian races created a superior race. The concept of La Raza connotes that the mestizo is a distinct race and not Caucasian, as is technically the case.”
In short, Vasconcelos was not promoting “an inclusive concept,” but rather, the notion of Hispanic racial superiority.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:50 amAnd to which of all that verbiage has Judge Curiel signed his name?
Why don’t you cut and paste a quick recipe for sauerbraten, which would have the exact same relevance* to the discussion but be much more useful.
*Relevant evidence is that which tends to prove or disprove a matter at issue.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:55 amHey Leviticus, I did High School and College in So cal – Gerald has a more accurate view of La Raza than you omit.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:55 amI have no idea. I posted that in response to #182.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:57 amGreat. Now I put myself in the mood for some beef barbacoa.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:57 amHey, nk, it’s probably my growing up in California that gives me a real bad taste for La Raza, but the point of joining a group is kind of that you agree with its guiding principles.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:57 amCalifornia Attorney General Kamala Harris is running for US Senate, and in her speech last night, she may have delivered the platitude to out-do all other platitudes when she said, “Our unity is our strength. Our diversity is our power.”
Liberals eat platitudes for breakfast.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:59 amAnd lunch and dinner. (LOL)
Sorry, Gerald.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:59 amFar be it from me to question the authoritative musings of the late Rep. Charlie Norwood (R-Georgia) and his chief of staff on the true nature of NCLR.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:00 amSo Curiel belongs to an association of lawyers that is linked to a chauvinistic Chicano group.
Is there any evidence that Curiel agrees with anything advocated by that chauvinistic Chicano group to which he does not actually belong?
kishnevi (0dce2b) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:03 amWe should just use a blurb from La Raza’s website. MUCH more intelligent.
Although if we insist on going only by their website, you SOMEHOW missed this item:
In 2007, La Raza’s website stated explicitly that NCLR’s mission is the “empowerment of our gente [people] and the liberation of Aztlán.”
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:04 amWhy do they think California is the way it is, accident, coincidence?
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:11 amI like “the country tilted” theory.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:13 amIt’s a strange worldview that sees the empowerment of Latinos as a bad or ominous thing.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:16 amWhy is it that when it comes to hiring practices, school admissions, gerrymandering of political districts, and representation in the media, the lefties always say that minority viewpoints need to be better represented.
They say that more minorities need to become Judges so that minorities will be better “represented” in the judicial system — so that it’s not just “white men in black robes” determining the fate of people of color.
Now they tell us that this La Raza Judge isn’t interested in any of that. Which is kind of amusing, because if you weren’t interested in being an activist for the reconquista of Aztlan, you probably wouldn’t join the organization in the first place.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:16 am193
The whole matter of Hirohito’s personal responsibility is awash in a sea of apologia and revisionism, but I think there is evidence that he was ready to surrender before the military strongmen were, and that when surrender did come it required his authority as a living god to push it through.
But even now the Japanese are far less ready to accept responsibility for war crimes in the 1930s and 1940s than the Germans….of course the East European groups who assisted the Nazis are still whitewashed by many people.
The important result of WWII on Shinto was abandonment of emperor worship and the related cult of State Shinto.
kishnevi (0dce2b) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:19 amYep. Get ready for another empty dress as California Senator.
At least you can look at this one for a few minutes without saying “Yikes!”
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:21 am“if you weren’t interested in being an activist for the reconquista of Aztlan, you probably wouldn’t join the organization in the first place.”
– [Trump] Supporter
Curiel didn’t join the organization in the first place. This has been pointed out over and over and over again.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:22 amThe educational systems plays into it, also the fact that the grandson of one of the figures of that kishi is now prime minister,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:22 amWow people really think two unrelated organizations that have similar names means they are the same?
The Trumpalos know no bounds to the twisting of logic in support of their master.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:23 amI’ll tell you what- we need to stop the Salvation Army. They are just as bad as the Chinese People’s Liberation Army. All they want is communism and totalitarianism! Any member of the Salvation Army is a communist! They need to be arrested and sentenced to the death penalty for treason!
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:26 amYou know that Stalin supported the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, right?
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:28 am210
But Curiel is not a member of La Raza.
No more than nk is a member of the World Council of Churches because he belongs to a church which is a member of the WCC.
No more than I am a Chabad Chasid because I attend and denote money to a Chabad synagogue.
kishnevi (0dce2b) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:29 amDo you recall the conniption the left had over the federalist society, howabout any koch bros related project, they don’t want any significant opposition at all.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:30 amHey, nk, it’s probably my growing up in California that gives me a real bad taste for La Raza, but the point of joining a group is kind of that you agree with its guiding principles.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:57 am
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This really nails it. You’d had to have lived here in California during that time period. Not good memories. For DRJ’s benefit, if what had gone on here back then had occurred in Texas during the same time period, there probably would have been a lot of dead bodies in the streets.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:42 amHarris will clear 80 % because of the conservative blanks on that line of the ballot. If Cal Dems wanted to really push her over that threshold they would float a relatively sane appointee as next CA Attorney General a la Hillebrand replacing Clinton in ’09. Although Hillebrand went Rape-Avenger in her later years with that other blond moppet McCaskill.
It did go on in Texas – look up Crystal City, but as long as it happens several miles south of I-10, probably a net gain.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:58 amOh, so I looked it up and see that Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, rather than the hateful National La Raza organization.
Okay, that’s a fair distinction to make — my bad.
However, the phrase “La Raza” still means, “The Race.”
Anyhow, as Hugh Hewitt just said, the GOP should probably change the convention rules so they can dump Trump. His mouth is going to lose the election in November.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 8:59 amThat’s about as meaningful as observing that a tonic and a poison are just two sides of health, or that charity and mugging are just two forms of exchange.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:11 amThat first is true about digitalis, and the second could be true about taxes. But that’s not what I meant, and it’s a conversation for late in the evening.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:19 amIs that a reference to La Raza?
What exactly does “the empowerment of Latinos” mean? Such vague statements are one of the key building blocks of your template, are they not Leviticus?
It doesn’t matter whether Curiel joined the organization in any case, right? Isn’t that your real position?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:19 amHmm, the filter caught on something, so I’m breaking this up into two comments, to see which one doesn’t post:
You contradict yourself. Knowledge of her statements’ falseness is the definition of actual malice. If he was likely to be able to demonstrate that he would win. Therefore your characterization of the decision cannot be true. Whether you mischaracterized it with actual malice I cannot say.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:46 am2nd attempt at Part 2:
And indeed, on reviewing the actual decision [filter seems not to like the link] I find that your statement was indeed false. Again, whether it was malicious I cannot say, but I suspect it was; I suspect that you made it, not with actual knowledge of its falsity, but with reckless disregard for whether it was true or false. That is actual malice.
(The court found that while Makaeff’s accusation against Trump University was technically false, it was so only because she meant to accuse a closely related entity, doing business under the same name, which she had no reason to know was not the same entity.)
From the decision: “As the Ninth Circuit found, the gist of Makaeff’s complaint about Trump University is that it constitutes an elaborate scam. As the recent Ponzi-scheme scandals involving one-time financial luminaries like Bernard Madoff and Allen Stanford demonstrate, victims of con artists often sing the praises of their victimizers until the moment they realize they have been fleeced. Makaeff’s initial enthusiasm for Trump University’s program is not probative of whether she acted with actual malice.”
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:48 amThat’s odd, why would the filter choke on one link? Hmm, it didn’t like the URL even without a link! Even leaving off the protocol prefix didn’t work. Maybe if I break it up:
1st part: http://www.casp.ne
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:53 am2nd part: t/makaeff-v-trump-univerity-llc/
Huh. That’s very odd. It was so OK with the “first part” that it turned it into a (useless) link!
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:54 amIn any case, I think I’ve demonstrated that prowlerguy told a serious falsehood, perhaps believing it to be true.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:55 amWhich makes prowlerguy’s conclusion particularly ironic: ” But yet, despite the fact you have read the record in this case, you insist on add your own interpretation and presenting it as the court’s findings. Basically dishonest, but that is how you live your life, so why should your online persona be any different?” That’s prowlerguy.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:56 am“La Raza”, for our purposes, is a single group, the National Council of La Raza. The fact that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ Association has a link to that group on its web site is no more significant than the fact that Patterico’s site links to many other sites to which he has no connection. Linking to other sites is very common on the web, and is not a sign of affiliation. You know this very well, so in this case I am accusing you of actual malice.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:00 amThere is no affiliation. You are lying.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:01 amLie #1. Membership seems to be open to all law students, lawyers, and judges, regardless of ethnicity.
And why shouldn’t it? There is not and has never been anything wrong with that phrase.
Along with many other groups, such as the ADL, Big Brothers / Big Sisters, the San Diego County Bar Association, the YWCA, and the Superior Court of California! Do you seriously allege that all of these are “affiliated” with the National Council of La Raza?! Are you completely off your gourd? No, of course not, you’re just lying.
Lie #3. I dare you to cite one political statement by SDLRLA that contains words to the effect of “the NCLR says X and therefore we say it too”. That is what you are alleging, and it’s false.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:16 amOh, that’s lie #4. David Duke did endorse Donald Trump. His exact words were “I do support his candidacy, and I support voting for him”. That’s what an endorsement is.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:19 amAnother lie. The case was not decided for Trump at the trial level or at any other level. The trial court originally didn’t think Trump’s libel suit was obviously frivolous; having been instructed by the appeals court on the proper standard to use, it then found that yes, it was obviously frivolous, and therefore granted the SLAPP motion and awarded Makaeff $800K in legal costs.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:23 amThat’s the definition of frivolous.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:24 amWrong. There’s never been a question that Donald Trump is a public figure. The question was whether Trump University is a public figure.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:27 amFrivolous means having no way to prevail.
If Trump University was not a public figure, then it could prevail in the defamation suit if it could show that Makaeff’s statements were false and defamatory. Since, by the time this was litigated, Makaeff had already acknowledged that Trump University didn’t commit the crimes she had accused it of (she now says they were actually committed by a closely related entity doing business under the same name, which she hadn’t known at the time), there was a non-trivial chance that it could prevail.
But as a public figure it would also have to show that Makaeff knew her statements were false at the time that she made them, i.e. that she had deliberately accused the wrong corporation. Once the trial court was instructed to use that standard, it found that it would be impossible to show that, and therefore the suit couldn’t possibly prevail, i.e. it was frivolous. The trial court also found that the suit was malicious, i.e. its purpose was to punish Makaeff for exercising her first-amendment rights, rather than out of any genuine concern about her accusing the wrong entity.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:39 amNo, that was not frivolous, since it was the “university”‘s public-figure status that was at issue, not Trump’s own. The “university” is in fact not a public figure in general, but the appeals court ruled that it was for the limited purpose of this suit.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:41 amMillhouse, gfy.
In California, La Raza has justified hate against “whitey” in exactly the same manner as the Black Panthers did.
Were their racist roots, campaign, and politics simply the underdog reaction against an “oppressor”? You could make that argument, you could make the argument that the organization has matured. But to claim that a group of lawyers in San Diego, voluntarily name themselves “La Raza”, and their website links to NCLR, and to claim there is “no affiliation” is a lie. You are the one lying if you pretend La Raza is not about “race”, first, most, and consistently.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:47 amWhy, would perchance you be referring to anyone in particular who comments here, deary?
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:54 amYou forgot the nearly one million dollar judgement against Trump.
Code of Civil Procedure – Section 425.18 SLAPPback Claims in California
“This statute was enacted primarily to facilitate the recovery by SLAPP victims of their damages through a SLAPPback (malicious prosecution action) against the SLAPP filers and their attorneys after the underlying SLAPP has been dismissed. It provides that the prevailing defendant attorney fee and immediate appeal provisions of the anti-SLAPP law do not apply to SLAPPbacks, and that an anti-SLAPP motion may not be filed against a SLAPPback by a party whose filing or maintenance of the prior cause of action from which the SLAPPback arises was illegal as a matter of law.”
Have you ever thought it might be useful to check things out before assuming you know what you’re talking about, prowlerguy? I suggested that when you demanded to know about Bible verses you clearly assumed weren’t in the Bible, but actually were.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:13 amExcept that he didn’t join any group that has those principles. He joined a Hispanic bar association, which is exactly as respectable as the Jewish Lawyers Guild, the Catholic Lawyers Guild, the Hellenic Lawyers Association, the National Italian American Bar Association, the Irish American Bar Association of New York, etc.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:16 amAs I pointed out in #196, the history of that phrase suggests there is something wrong with it.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:19 amIt’s an old borscht-belt joke: “Iceberg, Goldberg, what’s the difference?”
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:20 amNot even that, since no group of which he is a member is a member of the NCLR. Their only so-called “connection” is a link on their web site’s sidebar, no different than the links on Patterico’s sidebar.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:23 amYes, and this is about as valid.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:23 amThe English word “race” only acquired the baggage it now carries over the last century or less. In other languages it never acquired that baggage, and is still used as it used to be in English in the 19th century and earlier, when it meant pretty much any set of people with some feature in common.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:26 amYeah… these people can be trusted… JOURNALISM: Univision Television Network Boasts It Helped Elect Obama.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235743-2/
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:29 amSpeakin’ of the old days of black power and teh panthers, RKS should like this one… it really stuck with me over the years, it was a massage of Mao’s message:
“Power springs from the lips of the p**sy.”
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:33 amIf NCLR has done that, phooey on them. MEChA certainly did that, and they are wrong. But SDLRLA never did that, and you are wrong to accuse them of it.
On the contrary, it is a deliberate lie to claim that a link on a web site creates an affiliation. You know very well that it does not. And nor does the use of a common phrase in the titles of two unrelated organizations. The Union of Concerned Scientists and the Concerned Citizens of America are not related.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:34 amMilhouse… Malwyn’s suggestion is a good one and it should be applied once a day, at the very least.
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:36 amNo, you didn’t point anything out, you just cut and pasted a long rant from some unknown source, without giving us any reason why we should pay it any attention.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:37 amYes he did point it out, you pernicious prick.
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:42 amAnd by “these people” you mean….
Adams’s argument is shoddy, and misrepresents the campaign. Univision is not claiming that it, in its editorial capacity, helped elect 0bama, it’s claiming that advertising on its network helped elect 0bama, and can achieve similar successes for other advertisers. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:42 amI just responded to Steve Malynn here. I see no need to write an original reply.
https://patterico.com/2016/06/07/this-is-who-i-am-voting-for-today/#comment-1895658
If my reference to the swastika seems odd, I was pointing out that the swastika was not invented by the Nazis.
http://www.airminded.net/F4b/BOE_P12.jpg
Show this to a modern campus crybully, or their perfessers, and they’d immediately jump to the conclusion that the early 1930s US Army Air Corps was in league with the Nazis who were also using the same symbol at the same time.
Which is ridiculous if you know anything about the thousands year long history of the swastika across almost the entire norther hemisphere.
Buddhist monks in east Asia are not neo-Nazis because they continue to use the swastika like they have for millennia (their attitude being, so what have the Nazis ever had to do with us?).
So I’m not convinced the San Diego lawyers group is in league with the National Council of La Raza.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:44 amNo, he didn’t, you piece of garbage. Cutting and pasting several pages from some unknown source doesn’t constitute pointing anytything out. Get lost, you have nothing of any value to say.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:44 amAs late as the 1920s swastikas were common in Jewish art. And Adolph was a common name among German Jews.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:49 am170. nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:48 am
“tenuous” is much better, although maybe not the perfect word. Any kind of word having to do with failing to fit the description of the quality you have in mind would do somewhat. “Distant” isn’t good at all.
Maybe you were looking for the word “attenuated?”
“diminished” could work, or rather some sort of synonym for that (in the sense that he may have started out with both a better hairline and better ethics. Although I don’t know if his ethics were ever good. Maybe looking things over we wouldn’t be able to find a period of time when he spoke honestly and conducted business in a way so that the other party would be satisfied.)
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:57 amMy mother had a cousin who was known as Dolfie born circa World War I guess.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:58 am258… Yes, he pointed it out. You disagreed with his presentation and made a big goddam deal out of it, as that’s the way you roll, you snotty, little scrap of offal.
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:29 pmMilhouse,
The Society of Irish-American Lawyers or The Italian-Americans Lawyers Association is different than an organization that uses the phrase “the race.”
There’s a distinction between a nationality or ethnicity VS a “race.”
You like to pound the hell out of commenters for nit-picky things. A person might report that a football score was 37-14, yet you’ll jump down their throats when the actual score was 38-16, because they were inaccurate very slightly.
Fine. The spirit of the score they reported was accurate, but it was technically inaccurate.
You used “Catholic Lawyers” or “Jewish Lawyers” as an analogy, but that is a total fail because religion is essentially a frame of thought — not a “race.”
Hey, bro, you live by the sword, and so you die by the sword.
“Latinos” are not a “race.”
And people get feisty when they hear organizations identifying themselves according to race, which are advocating for legal and public issues.
Some of us believe that legal issues and public policy issues should subtract “race” from the equation rather than advocate for it.
You’re not a Californian, so you’re a little removed from the reality of the fever pitch that many Mexican-Americans are pushing for this reconquista of Aztlan.
Irish-American Lawyers (or Italian-American Lawyers) are not pushing for any public policy issue pertaining to their “Irishness,” or “Italianness,” and that’s a fact.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:59 pmBut Mexican-Americans (or Latinos) are, collectively.
No, there is no significant such distinction, in pretty much any language but English. And even in English that distinction is recent.
Wrong. It used to be common to speak of the Christian race, and certainly of the Hebrew race. Jews are not a religion; we are a nation that has a religion. Most members of the Jewish Lawyers Guild are not religious. Roman Catholicism is a religion, and yet there are plenty of “ethnic Catholics” who are not particularly religious, or not religious at all, and who might well join the Catholic Lawyers Guild.
In any case, there’s nothing wrong with people of a race, even in the modern English sense, getting together. Or do you have a problem with the National Bar Association, or the International Association of Black Actuaries?
That’s your problem, not mine; you’re the one who has a problem with “La Raza”, so if you don’t think it refers to Latinos then which “race” do you think it refers to?
Really? Again, have you got a problem with most of these groups?
Maybe so, but you have no basis for supposing that the SDLRLA has any such goal, let alone that Judge Curiel does.
Maybe not at the moment, but they have done so in the past, and will again if an occasion ever comes up.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:30 pmThis is what I posted:
It can be boiled down to 3 points:
1) NCLR says that the term originated with Jose Vasconcelos.
2) NCLR says that he wasn’t really talking about anything particular to Mexican or South American races.
3) Guillermo Lux and Maurilio Vigil (professors of history and political science, respectively, at New Mexico Highlands University) say that the term La Raza came out of Vasconcelos’ racial theories about the Latin American peoples.
Which of those 3 points are you disputing?
The fact that the Swastika predated the Nazis is not analogous to this.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:34 pmMore precisely, Vasconcelos meant for the term La Raza to denote Latin American races, and that he had some specific beliefs about those Latin American races.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:40 pmMilhouse,
“La raza” means “the race.”
But again, Latinos or “Mexican-Americans” are not a separate “race,” dude!
You’re confusing race with ethnicity and nationality.
Stop, please.
The Irish-American Society of Lawyers “might” advocate for public policies which pertain to their “Irishness”?! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:44 pmYou are realllly stretching there, bro.
What are the Irish-American Lawyers going to push for — The University of Notre Dame being declared “America’s favorite football team”?
Or are they going to push for a Day of Guinness Consumption?
(LOL)
CS, I’ve lived enough places and learned (and forgotten) enough languages to know that you can’t do the simple one-for-one google translate search and think you’re getting close to what the word or term or phrase means to the native speakers.
It’s kind of like how Americans move to Japan, and since “How are you doing” is a polite greeting they should learn how to say it.
So they learn, “Ikaga desu ka?” Which does indeed mean “How are you doing?”
But it’s not at all equivalent to “How are you doing?” in American usage. It’s not just some polite greeting that elicits a response like “Fine, how are you?”
In Japan, “Ikaga desu ka?” is an expression of actual concern for someone’s health or well being. It’s the kind of thing a doctor will ask a patient during an office visit, or a friend will ask another friend if hey look like they’re about to throw up. So when an American uses it, thinking that just like in the states it means “I don’t really care and I don’t really want to know I’m just saying hi,” unknown to them the Japanese person is thinking, “Do I look sick or something? Why is this person asking about my health? Maybe I should make an appointment with my doctor.”
The polite throw away greeting is “Doko e?” Or, “Where are you going,” when both of the people involved knows nobody cares. And therefore the answer always is,”Chotto soko made,” or, “Just over there.”
It’s not enough to know that the Spanish word for “race” is “raza,” you have to know how they use it. And just like with the Japanese, they don’t use it like Americans would. It’s important to know that the h8 group La Raza is an American h8 group. Which means they also looked it up in an English-Spanish dictionary because they are just as clueless as to how an actual Latin American would understand and use the term as their blindingly white German-French neighbor.
Just saying. Your second or third or fourth generation American of Latin American ancestry turned campus Sandinista is not nor should not be considered the ultimate authority on what the true meaning of the term “La Raza” is since they only speak Spanish because they learned it high school same as their classmate Billy O’Malley.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:47 pmSDLRLA
Compare the above mission with the Catholic Lawyers Guild:
To ignore the difference between an overtly political organization devoted to a distinct set of policies and a religious association is to be either willfully ignorant, or intentionally obtuse.
That the Latina/Latino Lawyers chose the “La Raza” name was an intentional act in 1979 to poke their fingers into the eyes of the “Anglos”.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:48 pmAgain the term seems to have originated (if we can believe NCLR) with Vasconcelos. What did he mean by it?
This also raises the question, with respect to the lawyer’s group, what do they understand it to mean? Are we to assume they speak better Spanish than NCLR or what?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 2:02 pmSteve57,
I appreciate the insight. You actually have a good fiction writer’s ability to draw allegories and metaphors.
But let’s keep in mind, the San Diego Latino Lawyers Association (or whatever their actual name is) could choose to use all ENGLISH words in the official title of their name, rather than inserting “La Raza.” They chose to muddy the waters.
They conduct business in court in ENGLISH — but they chose to use Spanish in their official name.
For that reason, if there’s some “controversial” or “translational” issue — well, that burden’s on them. They speak English, they know how the translation translates.
It just so happens to be the same phrase that a very controversial left wing reconquista group uses. And I’ll pre-empt New York Milhouse from making the inane comparison that it’s just like any group using the word “Lawyers!” or “Knitting Society!” or “Youth Soccer!” in its official name.
No, it’s not.
It’s in a different language for one thing, but whenever you use “the race,” you’re announcing to the world a distinction based on skin color.
Look, I think Trump is a crook and a liar and ran Trump U fraudulently just like the rest of you do, and he was probably idiotic for the way he publicly handled this situation. On top of that, it’s always stupid to insult the referee BEFORE the game is played.
But the reconquistadoras DO use “the race” and “La Raza!” as wedge language and as calls to arms. That’s a fact.
After all this, who knows, it may turn out that Judge Curiel can adjudicate the case fairly. We’ll see. I just hope that Trump gets dumped at the convention. We can all agree on that, right?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 2:10 pmIf someone started Si Se Puede organization in 2016, they would never get away with trying to claim it had nothing to do with the Aztlan goals. Sure, in theory, it could merely be an uplifting phrase for a self-help group which was founded to tutor/mentor utes. However, that specific phrase is inexprably tied to the reconquista movement.
The very same is true of the phrase la raza when it was adopted by groups of Hispanics/Latinos organizing for the professional and political advancement of those non-anglos.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:07 pmYou know, I never realized it at the time, but the MALSA chapter at my lawschool was basically the KKK. It even said “Mexican-American,” right there in the name of the organization. How could I be so blind?! And some of their members eventually became *judges*!! The horror!!!
Leviticus channeling Trumpkins (efada1) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:11 pmHmmm, did they take a position when the federal government was going after NORAID? I don’t know, but it wouldn’t have been at all surprising for them to have taken NORAID’s side. How long ago were they founded? Most probably it was long enough ago that anti-Irish discrimination was common, and needed to be fought, and it stands to reason that they did fight it.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:36 pmThat’s milhouse to a T… Inane in the Membrane.
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:44 pmMilhouse,
I love the way you offer up potential possible maybe might-have-happened but-I’m-not-sure hypotheticals as a serious argument.
And again, for the fifteenth time, Irish-Americans are not a “race.”
Oh, and their support for NORAID was for a policy change in Europe, right? Not America, right?
Total fail.
Next thing we know, you’re going to be citing the Susan B. Anthony Suffrage Movement as an example of a “race” that had public policy aspirations. (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:49 pm“I appreciate the insight. You actually have a good fiction writer’s ability to draw allegories and metaphors.”
See what CS did there? We all know what this is called.
felipe (429749) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:59 pmI see Milhouse comin’ and I’m already calling bull$hit.
Colonel Haiku (111e13) — 6/8/2016 @ 4:29 pmHere’s another interesting tidbit about NCLR:
Sotomayor’s Ties to La Raza
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 4:40 pmI have this vacuous template that I just can’t let go of – that there’s something really hateful about any negative characterization of any organization consisting of non white-hetero-males. Because it seems so incredibly insightful to me.
Me channeling someone.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/8/2016 @ 4:50 pmDamning with false praise? Patronizing? Poisoning The Well passive-aggressively?
John Hitchcock (9f8ff9) — 6/8/2016 @ 5:30 pmAm I getting warm?
Indeed, the CBS Evening News reported tonight that he comented about it in 3 interviews today. (Scott Pelley did not go into any further detail)
But at least somebody else brought it up first.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:19 pmIt’s exactly analagous to the fact the Swastika predating the Nazis.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:47 pmAll Vasconcelos did was tack the word “cosmica” onto a long preexisting term. Colombia began celebrating Dia de la Raza” in 1913, which was well before Vasconcelos came up with his racist theories. Dia de la Raza was actually conceived by Faustino Rodríguez-San Pedro, a Spanish-statesman and then President of the Ibero-American Union, and his goal was to create a bloc among Spanish and Latin American countries emphasizing their common Spanish language and culture to counter other foreign powers. Not just European.
Spanish-American War? Remember the Maine? Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders? Ring any bells?
The term La Raza had nothing to do with Vasconcelos and was in fact inclusive of all races from White European Spaniard to native Americans and all blends in between. Because it was supposed to be a unifying force. In fact, La Raza emphasized culture and language over race or skin color. If your culture was Spanish or derived from Spain you were part of La Raza.
If you remember back when they USSR was extant they claimed to have invented everything. So the NCLR isn’t the first “revolutionary” group to talk out of its @$$.
But you aren’t obligated to fall for their horsesh*t. And that’s exactly what it is.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:58 pmJust to be clear, what we know as Columbus day had been celebrated since at least the mid-nineteenth century in Latin America and Spain (beginning in various years depending on country). Faustino Rodríguez-San Pedro wanted to unify all the countries, and decided that naming the celebration Dia de la Raza would be the most unifying term.
Which is exactly the opposite of the way it’s used by the NCLR. The NCLR is the outlier.
Point being, not even Faustino Rodríguez-San Pedro coined the term La Raza. It preexisted him, and he was born in 1833. He just incorporated what was already there into his idea. So the NCLR’s claim that Vasconcelos did is laughable.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:04 pmGot it, CS @272, you’re going to go with the campus Sandanista as your ultimate authority on all things La Raza.
Why don’t you go with babblefish, though, and cut out the middle man? That’s essentially where they got it.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 7:06 pmBollocks.
Being are being forced, kicking and screaming, into that conclusion by the flat-out horrible antics of Trump supporters.
scrubone (c3104f) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:06 pmRE: 287 – I call bs. Your research into the etymology of the term “la raza” is cute – but in 1979 (when La Raza Lawyers of San Diego was founded – before babblefish or the internet) “La Raza” was a distinct proper noun and rallying cry for brown power – it was not some kinder gentler universal call for love and peace, it was part and parcel of a “racial” identity movement. Especially in Southern California, where there existed tremendous political and civil strife along racial lines. (In my mixed race High School, it seemed there was at least one race riot every spring, so much so, that 60 Minutes highlighted the neighborhood in March 1979 – google Casa Blanca, Riverside CA, 1979.)
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/9/2016 @ 6:30 amI don’t care about your high school, Steve. And La Raza doesn’t speak for everybody, neither they nor Vasconcelos coined the term La Raza, they didn’t trademark the damned thing, and just because they claim it means something doesn’t mean, that’s it! It means just what the NCLR says it means and it can’t, never has, and never will mean anything else.
Yes it does mean something else. It has for a long time meant something else.
That’s why this is exactly analogous to the Swastika. Just like you’re saying La Raza is a “rallying cry for brown power” other historical illiterates would insist the swastika is a symbol Aryan supremacy and anti-semitism.
And just like you, those other historical illiterates would insist on rejecting the mountains of evidence that they’re wrong. Just like all the other historical illiterates, whereas they think the Nazis invented a symbol you think the NCLR invented a phrase. Or Vasconcelos did. All you historical illiterates are wrong.
It’s freakin’ ridiculous. You’re telling everybody growing up in Spain, other Latin American countries, and Spanish speaking households in the US that reject the leftist/supremacist/nationalist/separatist ideologies of groups like MEChA or the NCLR that radical leftist groups they reject or may not even have heard of have exclusive control over what a perfectly good Spanish word like Raza means.
What, are you on the leftist payroll?
Next are you going to tell me that “socialist” is in fact a code word for “n*gg*r” just like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid insist it is? Why not? Here you are, insisting that if some leftist hate group says a word or phrase means something then they’re the boss; end of discussion, that’s what it means.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/9/2016 @ 5:59 pmwell vasconcelos had a more expansive concept then mere ethnicity, but it’s about identity, which has an expressly political cast,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/9/2016 @ 6:05 pmit is however the way they define themselves, as with the naacp or now, ask tammy bruce on the latter, there is no room for dissenters,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/9/2016 @ 6:11 pmTrump University did not use the latest tactics of scammers to prevent lawsuits. they had people sign contracts, and elicited positive reviews, but they did not do the thing that the New York Times, in an editorial today, may have inadvertantly revealed that Clinton’s college, Laureate University, may have done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/opinion/dont-force-students-to-sign-away-their-rights.html
And yes, Laureate Unioversity gives classes for which people can get student loans:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-04/laureate-loan-repayment-rate-shows-u-s-debt-burden-as-ipo-looms
Of course , one thing, when it is student loan, and not credit card debt, and the credits are accepted widely, people may be less likely to sue.
Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f) — 6/10/2016 @ 4:37 pm