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6/5/2016

David French: “It Is Plain To Me That I’m Not The Right Person For this Effort”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:20 pm



[guest post by Dana]

A humble man bows out:

After days of prayer, reflection, and serious study of the possibilities, I am not going to run as an independent candidate for president of the United States.

As I’ve written many times before, nations are built on virtue — and courage is indispensable. But there is also prudence, and it was simply not prudent for me to take on this task. I remain against Trump and against Hillary, but I will do all I can where I am.

–Dana

95 Responses to “David French: “It Is Plain To Me That I’m Not The Right Person For this Effort””

  1. Class and dignity.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. And he lives to fight another day.

    felipe (429749)

  3. Wild Bill Kristol hardest hit.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  4. In case anybody was wondering, I’m not running for President, either. No prayer was involved.

    This post is a good juxtaposition to the X-Men one, though. Who, do you think, are more in touch with reality? Marvel Comics or the editors of National Review?

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Who, do you think, are more in touch with reality? Marvel Comics or the editors of National Review?

    Could you please give us more choices, nk?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  6. I heard he was polling in the double digits. 10-99 nationally excluding immediate family members.
    If Trump is a blowhard, Kristol is an idiot.

    steveg (fed1c9)

  7. Dana, did you see his wife’s response to all this?

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2016/06/04/thanks-for-the-marriage-counseling-politico/

    This is what is wrong with our society. The faux-macho destruction of good and decent people with labeling and ridicule.

    The real challenge, of course, is to not do it ourselves.

    No wonder we deserve clowns for political office. Good and decent people would prefer not to wade into our societal cesspool.

    Simon Jester (e49602)

  8. And my guess is that some of the usual suspects will wade in and do exactly what I am talking about. It’s a circular firing squad and everyone clapping each other on the back for fine marksmanship.

    Simon Jester (e49602)

  9. Not quite Admiral Stockdale, but I’ll sure take it.

    Let’s see what fresh chaos can be brought to bare this week.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  10. I did read that today, Simon Jester. I thought her rebuke was smart and efficiently done. And you’re right, good and decent people prefer to not have their marriages, families, and loved ones raked over the coals. Even if there are no skeletons to be found. It a tremendously awful process. I admire the resiliency of those who are able to endure it.

    With that, I also admire a man who is able to say “no” with sureness and move on with his life. His ego did not determine his path, which can’t be said for most in the world of politics.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  11. I will quote the (Anne) Barnhardt Axiom

    In our times, to want to be elected to any office of government is a sure sign of being unfit for that office

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  12. Wild Bill Kristol hardest hit.

    It pains me to agree with papertiger here. Romney might have pulled it off, had he started in March. Anyone else was just wasting our time.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  13. file this under “DUH”…

    there was no one to take on this “task”, and only a fool thought there was.

    bemoan, wail and gnash all you want, the math is simple: either Shrillery or Trump will win in November.

    if you don’t see a difference, schedule an appointment with the optical healthcare provider of your choice.

    or a psychiatrist who deals in “denial”.

    same thing, either way.

    denying the validity of an essential truth doesn’t make it any less so.

    redc1c4 (699d9e)

  14. In what specific way is Trump better than Clinton, he asked innocently.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  15. He is more selective in his appeal.


    Reuters/Ipsos has Clinton 46, Trump 35 among likely voters.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  16. If you follow the link you’ll see that ‘none of the above’ is within the margin of error of Trump’s support! Pretty amazing trainwreck the GOP establishment gave us by not lining up behind the winning (actual) republican when it was clear it was time.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  17. Like Dana was saying. People don’t travel the road to the Presidency for fun and giggles. It costs money and a lot of it. It costs in family relations. It costs reputations. In costs in goodwill from devoted socialists and the chrony capital wealthy that represent the bulk of the high rollers who patronize his vacation spots.

    So Trump doing this isn’t a money making proposition for him. California legislators are voting to divest from Trump entertainments. Sporting events are bowing out of Trump facilities.

    On Hillary’s side this is a money making event for her, maybe even her continued freedom depends on the outcome. She has much to gain.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  18. In what specific way is Trump better than Clinton, he asked innocently.

    Trump might be a disaster. Hillary will be a disaster.

    gahrie (12cc0f)

  19. In what specific way is Trump better than Clinton, he asked innocently.

    The press will be hostile to Trump. The press will be lapdogs for Hillary.

    gahrie (12cc0f)

  20. Attorney General Trey Gowdy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  21. We have more to gain from a Trump presidency than Trump does.
    Wild cat drillers have more to gain. Coal miners have more to gain. Pipeline companies have more to gain.
    Warren Buffett will take a hit.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  22. Specific to you if you live in California, lets say you happen upon Mr. Kimberlin’s car at the walmart.

    If you have a pack of Trump stickers in the glovebox, and one of them happened to end up on K car’s bumper…
    See the lady winking under the blindfold at the way the scales work.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  23. I did see a good bumper sticker yesterday
    Life is a b***h. Why vote for one?

    There were a bunch of Second Amendment stickers on that truck, and one that said Vote Trump, so I am pretty sure who was being targeted there.

    kishnevi (35d300)

  24. Boosh/Dustin 2016

    mg (31009b)

  25. lol, mg.

    Those “miss me yet?” posters of Dubya are even more meaningful now.

    Unlike Trump, I never wanted Hillary to be president and unlike Trump I know she won’t be a great or even a decent present. To those who see opposing Hillary as a no-brainer, trump clearly has no brains or is, at heart, a democrat.

    papertiger’s fawning for Trump is reaching a new fever pitch with this martyr stuff. Of course Trump is profiting immensely from his candidacy and has sacrificed nothing of note. His scandalized values were tabloid material decades ago. He thrives on his name written in bold and will surely con more people to whatever schemes he invents next week. Trump’s been failing at business ever since daddy left him his billions, so the deals he’s not making today are probably a net gain.

    He didn’t even fund his primary operation. Those debts are being paid by the GOP. All those downticket races that would have gotten funding from a savvy republican will be running on fumes because they will be filling Trump’s pockets directly due to the IOU nature of his primary run (which Trump lied in saying was self funded).

    Some martyr.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  26. Well a didn’t defend himsekf, his staff, or the objectives he out firth also remember macho Grande.

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. No Dustin singer funded the medici and Rubio and discouraged support for cruz, and he’ll willingly fund red queen as with Kirschner in Argentina.

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. If another viable candidate arises,
    it will not be because of Bill Kristol,
    it will be a spontaneous thing,
    the L will make one attack too far and give a rallying point;
    anyway, if it comes about, I think that is what we will see.
    And it will be a sovereign act.
    Big IF, though,
    as SJ says, the society is in danger of getting the leadership they deserve.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  29. I’m crying ol.

    mg (31009b)

  30. Why did cruz have practically no supporters even among the eight bloc, because they were nudged not to approach him, sea island was about him as much as trump.

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. 14. In what specific way is Trump better than Clinton, he asked innocently

    Many ways, to name three:
    1. Better judicial appointments.
    2. Tougher on immigration.
    3. No first husband Bill.

    James B. Shearer (cbd2b4)

  32. Good and decent people would prefer not to wade into our societal cesspool.

    So what kind of person sets as their life goal to not only wade into that cesspool, but to swim and play and do a Double Lindy off the high board? What kind of person spends their entire adult life in the pursuit of political power?

    And what kind of people would hold up such a person as a paragon of virtue? Are they stupid or just evil?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  33. Citizens must venture in, so that the professional class does not monopolize the whole show.

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. Mr. Trump is a citizen, and a darn good one at that

    he adds value (underscore value)

    whereas the nasty old woman just leaves empty febreze cans everywhere

    advantage: Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (831175)

  35. you and I in a little toy shop
    buy a wee david french with the money we got
    set him free at the break of dawn
    a shiny trial balloon then he was gone

    happyfeet (831175)

  36. 14. In what specific way is Trump better than Clinton, he asked innocently

    Many ways, to name three:
    1. Better judicial appointments.
    2. Tougher on immigration.
    3. No first husband Bill.

    James B. Shearer (cbd2b4) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:50 am

    This idea that there’d be no positive difference between a Trump and Clinton Presidency is the NeverTrump equivalent of the vacuous Trumpist theme that Cruz wouldn’t be any different than any other Republican candidate, since he’s a politician.

    Another area I’m pretty sure he’d be different is that he’d throw out the ludicrous non-treaty with Iran and reimpose sanctions. Hillary would keep up this Emperor’s New Clothes charade that Iran is now “moderate” as they head unimpeded towards nukes. There’s a number of other things.

    I understand many people think he’s unfit to be President for reasons of character etc., but on a policy level he clearly would be preferable in a number of areas.

    This is all academic though, since as I’ve been saying for months, I don’t expect him to win. He did have a brief bounce in the polls and there may be another bounce or two along the way, but in the end I think he’ll do no better than McCain did in 2008, and quite possibly worse, against an absolutely awful candidate. The one wildcard at this point is the economy, but unless there’s a perfectly timed collapse like 2008, the media will maintain this fiction that the economy is doing well in order to get Hillary safely elected. Possibly there’ll even be some phony statistics released close to the election to bolster the “strong economy” theme. I think Trump may be assuming everyone already thinks the economy is bad.

    Gerald A (945582)

  37. Somebody’s got to do it. Humans’ strength is in cooperation. That requires organization and that requires leaders.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Cruz wouldn’t be any different than any other Republican candidate, since he’s a politician

    Mr. Cruz proved that his stale brand of retro-conservative doesn’t scale up to the national level

    he’ll never be able to raise monies again

    happyfeet (831175)

  39. The records of Hillary and The Donald contain both success and failure. Trump’s failures cost money, Hillary’s failures cost lives. It’s a no-brainer.

    ropelight (596f46)

  40. Dana, Patterico, I called it, didn’t I?

    Nasty, lazy, dishonest people.

    I have no problem with disagreements on policy issues. It’s the personal that is so repugnant.

    And some folks simply cannot help themselves.

    You surely know the saying (I think it was in National Lampoon of all places): a stroll through the ocean of some souls would scarcely get your feet damp.

    Simon Jester (e49602)

  41. Jester, ease up on Dustin. He’s in the grip of a bastard political crusade and isn’t yet ready to face the obvious realities. He’s a good man, give him a little more time.

    ropelight (596f46)

  42. things what are repugnant:

    hillary

    poop

    raw chicken

    the brazil olympics

    obamacare

    herpes sores

    hillary

    happyfeet (831175)

  43. Actually we’ve been over this, maverick threw the Match.

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. Oh, you m not talking about Dustin, at all.

    Simon Jester (ef50cb)

  45. As I said before, what is needed is multiple candidates for President, running on the Whig party line, but a single, very rich, candidate for vice president, who can legally finance all the ballot access efforts. Multiple candidates will work better than a single one, and they will compete with each other to be the one who makes it into the House of Representatives.

    In the northeast and the west, he will be pro-amnesty and in some red states, anti-amnesty. aAnd so on with some other issues. Kristol needs to look for favorite sons, or regional candidates. All of them will be solid on the Supreme Court and the military budget.

    Karl Rove said on Fox News Sunday that only a candidate on all 50 state ballos will be taken seriously. Maybe to win in November, but you don’t need that for throwing the election into the House. He said there is the Libertarian Party. They can’t be taken seriously, and besides, their Vice Presidential candidate is a Friend of Bill. You need people who can siphon off democratic votes, too.

    The one I don’t want to try is name the potential candidates myself.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  46. This board was much more willing to savage
    A guileless candidate before. In retrospect all the estabk
    Lishment efforts were to stop Cruz, even sea island,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. gahrie:

    The press will be hostile to Trump. The press will be lapdogs for Hillary.

    This is the Instapundit’s argument and it makes sense, but I’m not convinced.

    Let’s assume the press will be hostile to Trump, but how does that help conservative-minded Americans? The press will be hostile to conservative policies that Trump proposes but they will gladly support Trump if he accepts the liberal agenda, as he has done so often in New York. When that happens, who will stand up to him then? Not the media or the Democrats. Not the GOP leadership, either, who have shown they are fine with things like amnesty and ObamaCare when they think they can get away with it. Who better to lead the crusade than a Republican who assures us he wants to make deals with the Democrats?

    That leaves Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and a handful of conservatives in the House. As President, Trump will undoubtedly spend far more time complaining about Lyin Ted than he will complain about the media or the Democrats.

    In addition, instead of undermining the media’s control over our politics and lives, 4 years of The Media vs a GOP President will only empower the press even more. If you are old enough to remember the arrogant media after Watergate, that will be our re-energized and emboldened press after Trump or any Republican. It would be worth the fight if the GOP President stands for conservative values, but what conservative values does Trump stand for?

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. Kristol hates the French and found a sly way to diss them …..

    G6loq (3a2647)

  49. Many ways, to name three:
    1. Better judicial appointments.
    2. Tougher on immigration.
    3. No first husband Bill.

    James B. Shearer (cbd2b4) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:50 am

    1. MAYBE. Or they would just be worse in different ways, or just take longer to be liberal.
    2. Nope. He’s in favor of opening legal immigration wide open, and he’s in favor of touchback amnesty.
    3. Who cares?

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  50. This is the Instapundit’s argument and it makes sense, but I’m not convinced.

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:47 am

    Neither am I. They will push Trump to be more liberal, which is where he actually stands, and is that what we really want?

    Besides, the media matters less than Congress. With Trump, they will cave into every liberal dream, like touchback amnesty and more legal immigration. With Clinton, they will fight just like they did with Obama. Was it all the fighting they could do? No, but better than giving in.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  51. i think it is clear
    the brainiacs here
    would much prefer
    an establishment queer

    mg (31009b)

  52. queer meaning -baffling
    hate to upset anybody more than I already do.

    mg (31009b)

  53. Many ways, to name three:
    1. Better judicial appointments.
    2. Tougher on immigration.

    James B. Shearer (cbd2b4) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:50 am

    1. MAYBE. Or they would just be worse in different ways, or just take longer to be liberal.
    2. Nope. He’s in favor of opening legal immigration wide open, and he’s in favor of touchback amnesty.
    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:18 am

    How could Trump’s appointees be “worse in different ways”? What’s an example of that? What reason is there to assume they’d turn into liberals (which acknowledges that they wouldn’t be liberals).
    There’s a huge gap between “touchback amnesty” and not rolling back Obama’s unconstitutional legalizing of the illegals, which will be Clinton’s policy.

    Again, this theme that there’s no difference between the two is an exact parallel with how the Trumpists kept maintaining that Cruz is just another establishment Republican. It’s ludicrous.

    Gerald A (945582)

  54. Simon Jester

    So you found a use for the secret meeting place for the “true constitutional conservatives” after all.

    Handy to boost your condescension over the hoi polloi.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  55. And criticizing a La Raza Judge as biased, that’s beyond the scope of the pale.

    You people with your petty concerns. Don’t you know> White people can’t be discriminated against!

    Simon found it in the constitution, I guess.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. I have no idea why papertiger is such a, well, papertiger.

    I have always thought that political disagreements are fine. What I have always objected to is attacking decent and good people. Especially family members of those people.

    But I guess I am just not macho and tough enough to be a real Trump supporter.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  57. Susan Sarandon: Clinton ‘more dangerous’ than Trump

    Actress Susan Sarandon says Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy makes her a greater national security risk than Donald Trump, adding that it’s “inevitable” the White House hopeful will be indicted.

    “I believe in a way she’s more dangerous, except they’re both talking to Henry Kissinger apparently lately,” Sarandon told The Young Turks on Thursday.

    “Her record — I mean, she did not learn a thing from Iraq. She is an interventionist. She’s done horrible things, horrible things, and very callously,” she added.

    Sarandon, who supports Bernie Sanders for president, said Trump’s ideas are too implausible to be dangerous.

    “This is what we’re fed — ‘he’s so dangerous, he’s so dangerous,’ ” she said. “Seriously, I’m not worried about a wall being built and Mexico paying for it.

    “He’s not going to get rid of every Muslim living in this country. Has he made it the norm to be racist and vent these kinds of things? Yes. But seriously, I don’t know what his policies are.”

    On the other hand, Sarandon said, Clinton’s record on foreign policy is cause for alarm.

    “I do know what her policies are. I do know where she’s taking money from. And I do know that she’s not transparent and I know that nobody calls her on it.”

    Sarandon predicted in a separate interview that Clinton will ultimately face indictment for her use of a private email server while secretary of State.

    “Nobody’s even talking about this indictment,” she told MSNBC. “What happens with that, besides the trust issue of catching her in so many lies?”

    Wow. When you’ve lost Susan Sarandon, you lost a good sized chunk of the “How dare you peons prefer Trump. Don’t you know who I am?” voting bloc.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  58. they are part of a set, her ex, tim robbins, of the ‘chill wind’ is also for doc brown,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. Such a nightmare.

    Not just the awful con man behavior, but how people I like and respect will find a way to defend all this…which as you say, those same people would never tolerate from another human being.

    Simon Jester (bb7e0e) — 6/2/2016 @ 7:54 am

    I had a minute. I’m finding a common thread with Jester comments.
    The common thread is he is better than us. And if we weren’t so nasty, lazy, and dishonest, we would be attending the secret club and we would be in on the gag.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  60. yes yes we only do moral equivalence on the vile old woman and Mr. Trump

    everyone else fits into a very clear and easily discernible hierarchy under the morally superior commenters

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. “And criticizing a La Raza Judge as biased”

    Yes. That is wrong. Because it is a lie. And you have shown nothing to support your claim that he acted in any manner biased against Trump.

    JD (7fd277)

  62. “Hillary Clinton: You Know, The Boys Who Stormed the Beaches at Pointe Du Hoc Did So In the Hopes That One Day I Would Be President”
    —Ace

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363893.php

    Colonel Haiku (40880a)

  63. In his 2011 judicial questionnaire to become a federal judge, Curiel revealed his history with La Raza. GotNews.com originally reported this Tuesday, and The Daily Caller has independently verified.

    Curiel lists “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” as a legal association he has been a part of in the questionnaire. Curiel’s office at the United States District Court for the Southern District of California confirmed to TheDC the judge’s membership in the group.

    Curiel reveals more ties to the group in his questionnaire. He has spoken at two receptions held by La Raza Lawyers of San Diego, the most recent being in 2011. Last year, the group also held a reception for Curiel. The description of the event says, “This year we are proud to be honoring Judge Gonzalo Curiel at our reception and recognizing him for his leadership and support to the community and to our Association!”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/judge-presiding-over-trump-university-case-is-member-of-la-raza-lawyers-group/#ixzz4Apb1dSdj

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  64. Go sell crazy somewhere else buddy. We’re all stocked up here.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  65. Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 12:46 pm

    Two words, Colonel: Reverse peristalsis!

    felipe (429749)

  66. The Democrats outsourced the Trump case to the La Raza court in San Diego, because they got laughed out of New York.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  67. Two words, Colonel: Reverse peristalsis!

    It was only two sentences, still put me to sleep.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  68. 61.“And criticizing a La Raza Judge as biased”

    Yes. That is wrong. Because it is a lie. And you have shown nothing to support your claim that he acted in any manner biased against Trump.
    JD (7fd277) — 6/6/2016 @ 12:42 pm

    You don’t really believe that do you JD? One must wait until the judiciary shows itself to be bias and corrupt, does harm to our citizens, costs large sums of money to remedy before one can deduce the obvious? I would say that’s insane but it’s really just stupid.

    So if the judge were a member of the American Nazi party and Trump were a Jew, no problem?
    If the judge were a ember of the KKK and Trump were a black, that’s okay?
    If the judge were a Shite moslem and Trump were a homosexual, we would wait until the judge “acted”?

    I’d like to know how a member of a racist cult like La Raza can even be a judge in America.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  69. How about Attorney General Alberto Gonzales?

    It’s not a set in stone thing with Gowdy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  70. Thank you for being interested enough to comment. I appreciate it.

    This election cycle has become surreal to me. I truly feel in the world , but not of it.

    felipe (429749)

  71. It shouldnt be Gowdy on account of how he hemmed and hawed until the very end. Also has that look and sound of a Graham-in-training. As for the token Latino in the cabinet, I’m rather intrigued by this Tom(?) Apodaca, a republican North Carolina State Senator. You must be legit if you are trusted by the electorate in a state where you dont have much of a home team. Wonder if he declined to endorse Ellmers or even endorsed the other guy?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  72. Felipe,
    You recall all of those Psalms appealing to God for protection and mercy and justice because apart from God there was absolutely no place and no one to depend on?

    Sort of like that.
    Yes, I know there are many places far worse,
    but when I grew up I thought unjust legal proceedings were the exception,
    now I think at best we are looking at 50-50 from my limited experience dealing with courts and lawyers.
    Having money or contacts does improve the odds.

    Not meant to insult people here who work hard to do the right thing,
    there just are not enough and the public and media make it worse.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  73. I want that Milwaukee Co. Sheriff for something

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  74. Papertiger – that is a Latino bar association, like many many many many many others. It is not the same La Raza you guys want to imply. It is deceitful to claim they are the same. But you guys don’t care about that.

    JD (a17707)

  75. You caught me with humors in ascendance.


    I truly feel in the world , but not of it.

    I’m paranoid, but I think those ready for Hillary cultivate this feeling.

    Maybe I should just say, I’m paranoid.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  76. Okay, so he’s just the La Raza advocate.

    I feel much better after you explain it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  77. Every time someone lists a reason why Trump will be better than Hillary, their “reason” consists of a fantasy wherein they invent something that they believe Trump will do, without any foundation for that fantasy what so ever.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  78. By the way, that association was started by a Hillary Clinton backer who went to prison for filing fraudulent class action lawsuits.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  79. And as an aside: “This idea that there’d be no positive difference between a Trump and Clinton Presidency is the NeverTrump equivalent of the vacuous Trumpist theme that Cruz wouldn’t be any different than any other Republican candidate, since he’s a politician. ”

    #NeverTrump does not hold that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary. #NeverTrump stands for the proposition that Trump is not an acceptable person to vote for, regardless of Hillary. It stands not for a balanced version of “the lesser evil” but a refusal to choose between evils.

    I know that this is too subtle a thought for Trumpkins.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  80. Papertiger – you also failed to show that the Judge had acted in a biased manner towards Trump. Simply not ruling the way Trump wishes does not constitute bias; especially when the vast majority of rulings in this case came before Trumps new new new new new subject to change on a whim immigration plan. It is sad how comfortable peddling deceitful info.

    JD (a17707)

  81. I know that this is too subtle a thought for Trumpkins.

    you got that right bucko

    happyfeet (831175)

  82. I had a cat like that.
    Standing right next to a dead squirrel, the gore streaming down his face, he’d give with the look to say “I didn’t do it. Why do you always think it’s me?”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  83. 80.Papertiger – you also failed to show that the Judge had acted in a biased manner towards Trump.

    It is impossible for a judge who is an active ember of a racist organization to act any other way. He is a anti white racist and should be dealt with as we would a Nazi or KKK member who thought he could dispense equal justice.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  84. 75. papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/6/2016 @ 2:19 pm

    Okay, so he’s just the La Raza advocate.

    What JD said is it is adifferent la raza – not La Raza Unida. I know, I suppose you could say anything that uses the term “La Raza” in its name is certainly “pro-Mexican” enough to be against the wall and Trump’s public position. But being against him for president is not grounds for recusal.

    Trump does not want to replace he judge. Trump wants to argue that the fact that the case was not thrown out of court before the election is because the judge is biased. He would not get a different result from adifferent judge so he needs to keep the biased” judge on the case.

    That’s the target – the voters. Nothing of significance will happen in the case now before the election (unless he settles) so what he is trying to argue is that the fact that the case is not dismissed is bias.

    He wants to argue there’s not even a shadow of a case against him.

    Tp the extent that this has anything to do with the case, the target is not the Ninth circuit, and not potential jurors, and certainly not the judge himself, but the opposing lawyers, who are to be made to think that taking this case to its conclusion will be a very, very, very, long slog, and that maybe even he’ll get a ruling in his favor somewhere, and therefore might later accept a settlement for less than they would normally expect to settle for.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  85. the judge is doing prejudice on Mr. Trump cause of he’s a radical alinsky judge what hates america

    this has nothing to do with peristalsis and everything to do with this judge being a crappy sleaze-judge like John Roberts

    I stand with Mr. Trump as he tries to restore America’s faith in its court system.

    He truly is the reform candidate America’s been looking for, and boy it sure has a lot of people’s hackles up!

    happyfeet (831175)

  86. I remember how fat boi erickson, was very mature, as much as pikachu, when the huntress after prayer and meditation, decided not to run in 2011,

    narciso (732bc0)

  87. And criticizing a La Raza Judge as biased, that’s beyond the scope of the pale.

    Liar.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  88. Curiel lists “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” as a legal association he has been a part of in the questionnaire

    Yes, so what? That is a perfectly respectable professional association and has no connection to the National Council of La Raza.

    Okay, so he’s just the La Raza advocate.

    Um, no, he isn’t. You’re lying again.

    By the way, that association was started by a Hillary Clinton backer who went to prison for filing fraudulent class action lawsuits.

    Not that I’m taking your word for it, but I couldn’t be bothered looking this up because even if it’s true, so what? What conclusion do you expect us to draw from it, and why? Of what possible relevance is it who started any specific lawyers’ club?

    It is impossible for a judge who is an active ember of a racist organization […]

    Since Curiel is not, how is that relevant?

    the judge is doing prejudice on Mr. Trump cause of he’s a radical alinsky judge what hates america

    And your basis for that claim is what?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  89. on the one hand we have trump and happyfeet saying the judge is biased

    on the other hand we have ducks quacking in the village pond

    advantage: the ducks

    nk (dbc370)

  90. What are you trying to butter me up?

    There’s a direct connection to the National Counsel of La Raza in La Raza Lawyer’s blogroll.

    I was looking at just today.

    Hurry.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  91. Those things can change.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  92. Curiel lists “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” as a legal association he has been a part of in the questionnaire

    Yes, so what? That is a perfectly respectable professional association and has no connection to the National Council of La Raza.

    NCLR is on their blogroll.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  93. That direct enough for you? I could do two and three steps removed if you would prefer.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  94. Anything named “The Race” would certainly be condemned if it were an Anglo-Saxon organization. Does anybody honestly disagree with that?

    Colonel Haiku (cdb06f)

  95. Milhouse, you are so wrong.

    While critics of Trump have argued that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ association is not affiliated with the National Council of La Raza, consider the following:
    •The San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is a member of the La Raza Lawyers of California, affiliated with the Chicano/Latino Bar Association of California.
    •On the website of the La Raza Lawyers Association of California, at the bottom of the “Links & Affiliates Page,” the National Council of La Raza is listed.
    •The website of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is joint-listed as San Diego’s Latino/Latina Bar Association.
    •On the “endorsements” page, the combined website lists the National Council of La Raza as part of the “community,” along with the Hispanic National Bar Association,, a group that emerged with a changed name from the originally formed La Raza National Lawyers Association and the La Raza National Bar Association tracing its origin back to 1971.

    Further, while the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association and the National Council of La Raza are legally separate incorporated entities, the two groups appear to have an affiliation that traces back to the emergence of MEChA, the Moviemento Estudiantil Chicanos de Atzlán.

    MEChA is a 1960s radical separatist student movement in California that espoused the mythical Aztec idea of a “nation of Aztlán,” comprising much of the southwestern United States, including California.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/#ViwpG0yzVr674MXK.99

    And from American Spectator:

    Well, yes, “equating ethnicity with judicial bias” is offensive. Yet the WSJ has not a solitary word revealing to readers that Judge Curiel has been actively associated with the racially-centric San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association — a group entirely devoted to “equating ethnicity with judicial bias.” An association Curiel listed on his questionnaire filed with the Senate Judiciary Committee. The group, as I noted over at NewsBusters, specifically states its mission on its website as follows:

    Our purpose is to advance the cause of equality, empowerment and justice for Latino attorneys and the Latino community in San Diego County through service and advocacy.

    Note. The group supports “equality, empowerment and justice” not for all attorneys in San Diego — only for “Latino attorneys.”

    Listing eight “goals” of the group, every one of which are ethnocentric, the first three reading:

    •Increase the overall number of Latinos in the legal profession.
    •Encourage and support Latino and Latina judicial candidates to apply to the bench.
    •Advocate for the promotion and retention of Latino and Latina attorneys and judicial officers.

    Note well goal number two — “Encourage and support Latino and Latina judicial candidates to apply to the bench.” In other words? The group wants to put not qualified attorneys of any color or gender on the bench. No, the insistence is a racially-oriented drive to put only one group — a group pre-selected by ethnic heritage on the bench. (Can you imagine the uproar if the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia had belonged to a “white attorneys association”? Answer: Yes, you can.) Why might this be? The answer is obvious.

    In a day and age when the working assumption by the Left is that all minorities, Latinos in this case, are liberal, the way to liberal decisions is by backing openly race-centric judges of Latino heritage. To get decisions from the bench that are geared to supporting Latinos — not all Americans — but Latinos only.

    This idea, by the way, is certainly not limited to Latinos. Recall the demand that retiring Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall be replaced by a black nominee. President George H.W. Bush obliged with Judge Clarence Thomas. Thomas was quickly attacked by liberals the moment they realized he was a conservative. He is to this day attacked for being an “Uncle Tom” and a “traitor” to his race because the working assumption is that if you are black you are a liberal. And so it is with Latinos — and in this case Judge Curiel.

    And from the NY Times just to show you Milhouse how crooked leftists are and why we can’t afford Hillary as President picking judges.

    WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

    In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

    “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

    Her remarks, at the annual Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California, Berkeley, were not the only instance in which she has publicly described her view of judging in terms that could provoke sharp questioning in a confirmation hearing.

    This month, for example, a video surfaced of Judge Sotomayor asserting in 2005 that a “court of appeals is where policy is made.” She then immediately adds: “And I know — I know this is on tape, and I should never say that because we don’t make law. I know. O.K. I know. I’m not promoting it. I’m not advocating it. I’m — you know.”

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)


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