Jake Tapper on the Obama Administration Lies about Covering Up Lies
For background, you can read this post of mine — or just watch the video. Tapper does a fantastic job laying everything out.
Tapper is right that the Obama administration should tell us who is behind all these lies. Of course, they won’t. As Tapper notes, the story is underreported. And without widespread pressure, which will never happen in Big Media, they’ll continue to sweep it under the rug.
Kudos to Tapper for fighting this dishonesty with genuine zeal.
Nice job by Tapper.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/2/2016 @ 7:31 pmAt this point, what difference does it make?”
gahrie (12cc0f) — 6/2/2016 @ 9:41 pmSomeone needs to ask the spokesbabe who said it was a “technical glitch” who it was who told her that. And then that person needs to be asked why they said that. And so on up the food chain until this sordid stew of lies gets hung around the neck of the guilty party.
orcadrvr (3cc3b1) — 6/3/2016 @ 9:19 amNewly declassified: Ayatollah Khomeini says he is not hostile toward the United States.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
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Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/3/2016 @ 12:54 pmSammy:
The short version: Carter got rolled by the Iranians, just like Obama.
orcadrvr (3cc3b1) — 6/3/2016 @ 2:50 pmpaging josh painter,
https://news.usni.org/2016/06/03/admiral-warns-russian-subs-waging-cold-war-style-battle-atlantic
narciso (732bc0) — 6/3/2016 @ 4:42 pmyes, ahmed wali karzai was unavailable for comment,
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/02/hillary-clinton-exchanged-cia-officers-names-private-server/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/3/2016 @ 5:55 pmsince this will be the 74th anniversary,
http://torpedoeight.com/gallery.html
narciso (732bc0) — 6/3/2016 @ 9:40 pmYes, most likely, unless Trapper or some other reporter asks Donald Trump about it at a televised press conference. Trump’s got the horsepower to force the issue to the fore. Big Media can’t ignore it if Trump is talking about it on the campaign trail, and try as they might, Big Media won’t be able to duck Stategate.
Even #NeverTrumpanzees will have to admit in this one little tiny instance that Trump’s participation just might actually be beneficial to exposing an obvious Administration deception they’d like to see laid bare. Although few, if any, of them are likely to put aside their unseemly animus long enough to acknowledge the point.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:29 amTrump has done a great job of raising issues the public cares about. It’s his judgment and decision-making that is suspect.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:41 amAnd my animus to Trump is very seemly, not to mention overt and well-deserved.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:43 amYes, definitely. When a toilet overflows, people will suspect that the problem runs deeper than the Trump floating on top.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:46 am10 DRJ
mg (f81376) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:46 amSo true, but the alternative is suicide.
J.C. Beans Coffee House Dana Point
mg (f81376) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:48 am25 stars.
When a person underpays their taxes to the IRS, it’s never a “technical glitch.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:48 ammg,
Do you have a report on the restaurants in Dana Point? Did you get to check out Stacks? The Chart House? Harbor Grill?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:53 amAs you are probably finding out, once the sun sets, it can get a little chilly at night there right on the coast. Incidentally, a lot of homes right there at the water don’t have HVAC systems because it never gets hot enough to warrant A/C, and it never gets cold enough to warrant forced heat.
The next step is watching the media marginalize Trujp, so he will have to be even more extreme to get attention. I expect more rallies, too, set in places that will maximize the chances there will be confrontations.
Trump wants the attention and now he needs the attention and, like a true con man, won’t care what he has to do to get it. This is his management style. It is exactly what go Hillary into disaster in Benghazi. Trump supports Hillary because he recognizes a fellow big ego risk-taker who likes to take those risks on someone else’s dime.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:55 amI must have missed the announcement when Trump quit the race and threw his support behind Hillary.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:05 amAre you guys really so dysfunctional that in a post about how the Obama administration lied and covered it up your hatred for Trump turns the post upside down? Really?
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:09 amI am so dysfunctional that I say what I want to say. Just like you do.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:11 amTrump has donated to, supported and complimented Hillary for years. She was at his wedding. They are very much alike.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:13 amI think I will go elsewhere for awhile. Best wishes on you transplant, Hoagie.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:15 amMy comment wasn’t specifically directed at you DRJ. But you guys are all way too smart to be so obsessed with Trump that every time someone farts the thread turns into Trump. Can’t you all throw a little hate toward the commie in the White House any more? I really miss the old days when we could trash Obama without even mentioning Trump. Ahhh, the good ole days.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:17 amThe Trump Derangement Syndrome is totally over-the-top.
I think Trump’s a jerk, and a crook.
But he’s half the jerk and crook and left winger that Hillary is. Presidential elections are not a choice between Reagan and Coolidge. They’re usually a choice between Jerk #1 and Jerk #2.
In everything in life, we “settle” for our fifth choice, as opposed to our “ideal” outcome. I can’t figure out why people take such a puritanical approach to voting for President.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:23 amSeriously, how many of you people work for jerks or have business colleagues or clients who are jerks or have neighbors who are jerks?
But you continue to suck it up because that’s your best option, right?
Trump is like it’s 1945 and we have almost won the war only to find that the American Bund stole the atomic bomb from the Manhattan Project and gave it to Germany and Japan. What difference, at this point, does Obama make? He will be gone in January and succeeded by someone just as bad and worse-looking.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:27 amCruz Supporter,
I think you’re aware that Trump was in favor of the Tienanmen Square Massacre.
That is just one of many arguments that show Trump is worse than Hillary.
You are right. It looks like we have to pick someone who is not our ideal choice. Jerk #1 vs Jerk #2. Jerk #1 is a corrupt democrat. Jerk #2 supports dictatorships murdering students who protest the Man.
To your point of view, supporting a (D) over an (R) is probably nearly impossible to accept. To me, those letters mean absolutely nothing.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:33 amGuess who said that?
And who said that?
And who said that?
Same guy wrote big checks to Hillary. He really wanted her to be president, and now he’s actually going to make it happen. I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy, but I don’t think Trump would mind one bit if after the dust settles he realizes he’s the reason the president is Hillary instead of Cruz, which is his actual apparent impact on our country.
In fact, I am sure Trump will claim this proves how awesome he is.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:39 amReading some of these posts, I’m tempted to fund this procedure for several of our brethren here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/health/balls-up-are-scrotal-lifts-the-next-trend-in-male-grooming/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:42 amThat’s a shame because if the (D) wins most of the down ballot turns (D) too which means those nasty (R)’s loose Congress, the state houses, governorships and most importantly the ability to pick their choice for Supreme Court. So although those letters mean absolutely nothing to you they are in fact quite important to the Republic. Trump is not thee issue unless you’re so obsessed you make him the issue. Beating Hillary and saving the Republic is the issue. Unless you’re going leftist on us then it doesn’t mean a thing.
Trump really is a real estate genius. He’s managed to live rent free in all your heads.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:49 am“In a 2014, George W. Bush called Bill Clinton his “brother from another mother” on Instagram… that same year, in an interview with Real Clear Politics, Mr. Bush said of Mr. Clinton, “He’s got a good spirit about him. We’re the only baby-boomer presidents. We were both Southern governors, and we both like each other. He’s fun to be around. I hope he would say I’m fun to be around. And we’re both grandfathers.” In a separate interview with CNN, Mr. Bush described Ms. Clinton as his “sister-in-law.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/272869-photo-shows-hillary-clinton-george-w-bush-together-at-reagans-funeral
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:50 amColonel, Only you could find and actually read an article on balls. You crack me up!
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:52 amYep. Trump being the nominee is such a disaster in a moment the GOP could have had a triumph. But the GOP was too infected with those who need a big and corrupt government, so the establishment fought the reform candidate with everything they had.
But the bright side is that the GOP has revealed itself (to those who were blind in 2012) as the true obstructor of reform and the true enabler of the problem with our government today. There will always be a left and the democrats will always press onward, but the GOP stands in the place of the limited government movement. It needs to be replaced.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:53 amBe careful what you inadvertently accomplish:
https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/06/03/hillarys-libya-the-second-time-as-farce/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:54 amDustin,
I think a lot of Trump’s bluster is just bluster, past comments about Tienenmen Square included. He’s said outrageously outrageous things which I have a suspicion he doesn’t believe. He’s a business guy — he doesn’t really have a lot of philosophical or political beliefs. He’s all about expediency.
On the other hand, Hillary believes in her left wing beliefs.
So there’s a way that we can make “conservative governance” expedient for Trump, if he wins the election.
See, if Hillary becomes President, she’ll assign the leftiest of the lefties to run all the bureaucracies. Whereas I believe Trump can be molded a little bit by the Republican and conservative people he will come to depend upon in order to have the infrastructure in order to actually win the election in the first place. In other words, it’ll be expedient for him to move a little to the right. Which is more to the right than Hillary will ever move.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:55 amAs I said earlier, Trump supported the Tienanmen Square Massacre.
I know you die hard partisans have to say that kind of stuff about how the democrat will end the world and this is the most important election of our lives bla bla bla. You know that’s BS. The republic will plod on under Hillary as it has for the past eight years. It will be painful and it is very unfortunate, but it beats communist China (whose human rights abuses Trump is in favor of).
This election is not important. Trump is too similar to Hillary and in his heart is OK with her being president. I am not OK with Hillary being president, but I recognize that there are worse things.
The real problem is the GOP establishment that picked Trump over reform.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:58 amBe extra
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:58 amwearywary of those who want to burn their own house down. It makes about as much sense as the 1992 L.A.InsurrecRIOT.We all understand that, Dustin, and we agree with your assessment, but the deed is done. Trump is going to be the candidate so we need to accept it, stop working against the party because he’s an idiot, and begin to figure out how to win everything else. But you gotta understand we stand ZERO chance of having any input at all if Hillary wins. Zip, zero, nada.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:01 amHillary is the one who has the conservative youth past, supporting Goldwater. She is ruthless politician who believes in nothing at this point, and says and does things to further her corrupt ambition.
Trump, on the other hand, does not have the brains to do this. He has reflexively gone big government in his off cuff remarks for decades and is a die hard lefty.
Anyway, a president who promotes the tienamen square massacre is unacceptable. Trump has gone to some length explaining how he supports a tough guy lashing out to shut own dissent, and he has taken action to support that sort of thing in his life, so I think he means it. I think you say he doesn’t because he has an (R) beside his name. I know that’s essentially calling you a hack and I don’t mean to be hostile but what if Obama said that? Would you let it slide like you are here?
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:02 amComment of the Day
“And my animus to Trump is very seemly, not to mention overt and well-deserved.”
DRJ
JD (7fd277) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:06 amBizarre metaphor there.
We need a small government reform party in order to turn things around.
The GOP is the opposite of this. So are the democrats.
It’s not so much that I want to burn my house down (the GOP is not my house, but I love my country). I see that there is no way to fix my house, which is rotting, without replacing a part that is ruined with something that is not ruined.
When a storm damaged my roof, I had it replaced. If my neighbor had come up saying I was burning down my own home by tearing out a piece that would actually ruin my house if left in place, I would have been amused.
You have many loved ones (congratulations on the recent addition). Think about the country they get if the GOP remains like it is. The roof leaking all over their future, to torture this metaphor of yours.
The LA Rioters were hateful of their society. They were not trying to fix a broken part of it.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:09 amWhy did you guys make this out to be that someone went all anti-Trump? Ropelight introduced the idea of Trump to this thread. Not DRJ.
JD (7fd277) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:10 amOkay, let’s not start that crap again, please. Now, you ask if I would let Trump slide. Dustin, there is nothing I can do at this point about Trump being the Republican candidate. During the primary I put up lawn signs for Cruz, talked to people I knew and convinced a couple to go for Cruz and my wife and I voted for him. Its over, I lost, we got Trump. That is unfortunate but the real travesty will be if we allow that to cause our party to loose so much more. With Trump we stand a chance to hold Congress, keep some states and maybe add more and to select Supreme Court justices. We get none of that if Hillary wins. There is no upside for us to campaign against our own party. I hope you can understand I’m not “letting it slide”. I am just adapting to the situation and trying to grab a few victories from defeat.
I once had a discussion with a kid who thought it was immoral to kill civilians in war. He used Hiroshima as an example of American immorality. I explained that America not winning would have been the real immorality regardless of how many civilians died. The Japanese would never have been as magnanimous towards us as we were toward them, I assure you. Unfortunately, even with Trump as President we are morally obligated to go forward and use the Republican Party to save the Republic. Either that or surrender to the immorality of the left and Hillary.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:18 amJD, it didn’t matter who introduced Trump to this thread. It wasn’t a blame game. I was just saying it seems every thread regardless of what it’s about turns to Trump. That’s all.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:23 am“You have many loved ones (congratulations on the recent addition). Think about the country they get if the GOP remains like it is. The roof leaking all over their future, to torture this metaphor of yours.”
Thanks. I do think about that, but I also think about the country if the only viable opposition (and it is “the opposition”) is burnt to the ground and there is nothing of substance to replace it. I remain hopeful that Cruz will perform a miracle in Cleveland, but I am also realistic enough to have planned what I can and will do should said miracle not occur. And it won’t be acting as a member of a group of facilitators of the ascension of the Demoness Dowager Clinton to her throne.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:25 amThat’s kinda how it seems to be right now.
I am short on how exactly we get this limited government party. But that’s what we need. Right now the party of Reagan is gone.
Please respond to what I asked instead of waving your hands and noting you were a republican before Trump was nominated.
If Obama praised communist dictators killing students protesting their tyrannical government, would you let it slide?
So if Obama was the GOP nominee, you would be morally obligated to vote for him, because you have decided voting Republican means saving the republic?
I disagree. I think if the republican candidate is obviously worse, like this year, then we should vote against him even if he’s in the ‘right’ political party this year.
Trump loves Hillary and his off the cuff remarks prove he’s a big government lefty with no respect for the rule of law or your civil rights. This election is not important and your vote will not save the republic. I wish that wasn’t the case.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:39 amA friend conjectured that Paul singer probably kept would be cruz supporters from backing him, he did back Rubio and the medici.
narciso (b863a7) — 6/4/2016 @ 10:09 amDustin,
If you are comfortable calling me a “hack,” then that’s fine.
I’m much more interested in slowing down the left wing incrementalism than I am in reacting to what fellow commenters on blogs call me.
Sure, Trump said some things about Tienenmen Square years ago, but that doesn’t mean he’s a full-blown Mao-ist, right? Can we agree on that? It was a stupid comment. All public figures have stupid comments they can’t really explain or un-do.
Hillary’s been a committed left wing “politician” even since she was involved in the Watergate circus, 40-some years ago. She’s actually driven the car into the ditch in foreign policy. And she would assign nothing but left wing kooks to run our bureaucracies and agencies.
I think Trump would be more pragmatic than ideological. I really do believe he would be steered to the right by all the conservatives he’ll be surrounded by during the campaign and transition.
And Dustin, can you kindly stop with all this red herring “having an ‘R’ beside his name” stuff? Barack Obama as we know him would never in a million years be able to defeat Ted Cruz a single GOP primary as a Republican, okay, so please stop with this “Well, what if Barack had an ‘R’ next to his name?!” as if that’s a realistic argument to make.
I’m totally on record here as being a proponent of Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Jindal, and Walker. They were my first choices to become the nominee, but they all got their butts kicked. Trump is the last man standing. So I’m going to support him over Hillary, regardless of being called a “hack” or anything else.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 10:18 amVery common sense approach, CS. That is always valued in times like these, where it has become an increasingly precious commodity.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 10:23 amPrecious commodity my a$$, Colonel, it’s a lost art!
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 10:49 amIt’s not an art, it’s rolling onto your back and exposing your stomach while hoping for a few rough scratchies and trying not to piddle when it looks as if one may be in the offing. I’ll remain standing.
Hillary 2016 (since the Trump supporters have so effectively convinced me)
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:33 amStand tall before bowing to the Demoness, Stashiu. Vote your conscience.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:39 amDemoness Dowager to teh Dungeon 2016!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:40 amSweet Jaysus if 0bama didn’t reflect on Ali’s death… with a photo of himself sitting in a somewhat pensive pose under a photo of the champ. You can’t make this sh*t up.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:42 amI haven’t seen the photo yet. Is there a halo effect?
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:43 amI honestly don’t know, as I had to drop to my knees when I began the uncontrollable retching…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:48 am“May we always remember how lucky we are.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 11:55 amStashiu !!!!!!!
JD (7fd277) — 6/4/2016 @ 12:24 pmThere’s not enough ipecac in the world.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:02 pmHello JD! 🙂
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:03 pmHope you and the family are well.
CS,
I was pretty direct in my questions. It’s extremely telling that both you and Hoagie dodged them and you got kinda emotional about it.
Of course if Obama praised the Tienanmen Square massacre you would (correctly) say that disqualifies him utterly from high office.
He can explain it though. He didn’t just make a gaffe. He really believes what he says. He made numerous comments praising strong-man responses to dissent, and he made these relating to foreign policy on many occasions over a span of decades, praising and criticizing leaders according to how they crush dissent. Then when Trump himself faced dissent, he acted in a manner that matched his rhetoric, calling for violence, warning of riots if he doesn’t get his way, and praising the violent who sucker punch people.
This is just one of the reasons. Just one of the areas where Trump is absolutely wrong on a fundamental matter.
There are quite a few others. I’ve always voted for Republicans for high office, but because I thought they were the better candidate, not because they were Republicans. Trump is the worse candidate this time, and as dreadful as Hillary is I guess if it comes to Trump v Hillary I’ll vote Hillary.
You guys keep saying that as though it doesn’t prove my point. You don’t care what the candidate believes or has done. You only care that they are team (R). You would vote Hillary and be pounding the table about Trump if the parties flipped.
Dustin (04b2ae) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:11 pmYou’re over macho Grande again, I’ll come back.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:18 pmBless you for your continued efforts Dustin, but you’re never going to get them to budge an inch.
1. You “MUST” vote for one of the two major candidates or you’re a traitor to your country (and likely a coward)
2. If you don’t vote for Trump over Hillary, you’re a traitor to your country (Republicans RULZ, Demonviperdowagercratz DRULZ)
3. Pointing out inconsistencies in the Republican means you are helping the Democrat … traitor again.
4. Waiting for things to actually become finalized is “ignoring reality.” Funny how many of these people scoff at the notion that the:
4a. “science is settled on global warming”
4b. “settled law cannot be overturned, no matter how blatantly unconstitutional”
5. Shut up and fall in line!!
I’ve been seeing such vitriol towards our openly center/left and left regulars by people who should really know better. I guess they were welcome as long as they wiped their feet before coming in, didn’t get too uppity, and complimented the “noble opposition” on a regular basis. Given that aphrael even changed parties to try and derail Clinton (going against his regular party) has been treated with the level of bile more recently reserved for terrorists or professional basketball players, it’s no wonder many regulars seem to be largely MIA these days.
The way some have spoken to DRJ is just as bad. Since when is that okay?
I voted Cruz in our primary and would probably have voted Cruz again in the general (as opposed to Zombie Reagan for the third time running), but I’ve been pushed off the fence by the Trump campaign and will work to get the Democrat elected. That may become plural if the Trump camp continues as they have. I expect they will, so it will probably be the Dem ticket down the line for me and anyone I can influence in my area. I believe I can convince more than a few. Lots of fence-sitters around.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:50 pmHas anyone noticed that if it does end up being Trump vs Hillary in the general, Trump wins no matter who is elected?
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 1:58 pmFunny that. Almost seems like a plan.
I didn’t dodge anything, Dustin. You explained “and as dreadful as Hillary is I guess if it comes to Trump v Hillary I’ll vote Hillary.” and I said I will vote the opposite and gave you the reasons why. Then vote Hillary already. It’s your decision.
I am prepared to live with a lousy person who is the Republican President, a Republican Congress, states remaining or changing to Republican and most importantly Republican picks for Supreme Court (which as we have seen is no guarantee there either). Are you prepared to live under a far left President, bolstered by a democrat Congress who gives her everything she wants and more plus three more Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s that will last twenty or thirty years? Then go for it.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:02 pmWith even Hoagie spouting out that vapid lie that you’re a Leftist if you are against the Leftist Donald Trump, I am through with that liar, too.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:03 pmJust for the record, I’m a conservative, not a Republican (not for at least five years) or other party member. No matter what Mark might say. If the Republicans became a conservative party again I would consider them. But if I were the only conservative left in the country, I would stand alone in total comfort. I’m used to being at one end or the other of the Bell Curve.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:09 pmIn the end, we’ll have to do what we believe is the right thing, even if the right thing is somewhat distasteful. Donald Trump is far from perfect, almost as far as one can get. But he isn’t under FBI investigation for violations involving national security, espionage or corruption. As I said, we’ll all do what we hope is the “right thing”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:27 pmMr. Trump is the morally good choice not Hillary she’s gross and sticky cause she never really gets dry
happyfeet (886b3f) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:36 pmi am no fan of hilllllary
looking at trump, he seems all yelly and sweaty what has hands in other people’s pockets
i like billy mays better, but he coked out and is dead
speaking of shamwow
trumpyfeet (d2b944) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:40 pmfeets, as you say,
done wit u
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:41 pmTell me about it.
PS: Donald Trump didn’t turn his back on Americans fighting for their lives in Benghazi then concoct a story about a video and lie to the parents of the honored dead over their caskets. Hillary did that, not Donald Trump.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:46 pmNo, as Dustin has repeatedly reminded you, Trump is the one who praised Hillary’s work as Secretary of State which is when that occurred. Trump did that.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 2:49 pmSo did GWB
Colonel Haiku (0b084b) — 6/4/2016 @ 3:23 pmBut yer right… He’s not runnin’…
Colonel Haiku (0b084b) — 6/4/2016 @ 3:24 pmAny attempted comparison of Trump’s praise of Hillary with her treachery in Benghazi can only result in a bizarre and false equivalency, so far out of balance as to be laughable. It’s very thin gruel.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/4/2016 @ 3:42 pmStashiu,
We all wish that Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge, or Ronald Reagan was running.
But none of them is.
I wish Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Jindal, or Walker had won the nomination. But they didn’t.
Trump’s the better choice between “Trump VS Hillary.”
That doesn’t mean that Trump is great — he’s not.
It just means he’s slightly better than Hillary.
We’re going to be governed by one of these people, so we ought to choose between the lesser of two evils. We do that in every other aspect of our life, whether a job, a home, a business association, a car, or a meal at a last chance diner in the middle of the effing desert on the way to Vegas.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 3:47 pmJesus Christ, you people.
Your holier-than-thou santimony in regards to a Presidential candidate is sickening. Jee-sus!
You’re just going around in circles with these guys Colonel, ropelight. “Hillary did this”, “yeah, but Trump did this”. They have made up their minds just as we have. It is what it is. We all know both candidates suck and they believe the commie sucks less than the idiot. We think the idiot sucks less than the commie. It’s an impasse.
No amount of talk will change anyone’s mind so we need to figure out how to keep some Republicans in office and hopefully a couple conservatives if people like this elect and her democrats.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 3:56 pmCruz Supporter, as we say in South Philly…forgetaboudit. They are choosing between the lesser of two evils you just don’t agree with their choice, nor they with ours. Look at it this way: if Hillary does win this will have been their last choice that counted. With the commies stuffing the Supreme Court decent will be futile.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:01 pmI’m saying that between Trump and Hillary, Hillary’s the better choice by far. For multiple reasons, none of them sanctimonious or holier-than-thou. I know that’s hard to believe for you, but there are both short-term and long-term reasons to prefer Hillary. As disgustingly awful as she is, she is better than Trump. I’m choosing between the lesser of two evils. You refuse to acknowledge that because you cannot conceive of any situation where the D is better than the R.
“You people” suggests you have an understanding of me. You don’t. Just as you don’t truly understand Trump.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:02 pm*dissent* sorry, spell check.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:02 pmSure, Hillary has done some things that maybe you or I would not do, but Trump has happyfeet supporting him.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:05 pmAdvantage: Hillary
Stashiu,
We just have a difference of opinion about what’s “better” for America.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:07 pmThat’s all.
Cruz Supporter should change its name to Trump Supporter and have done with it. Quit hectoring us from behind the shield of the dignity you surrendered.
Leviticus (4c32a3) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:07 pmBefore President Obama was elected (both times), I said that we would survive as a nation despite all the people crying over the end of the Republic as we know it. We have and we will survive Hillary. Sure, we will take some additional superficial damage, but the Republic will endure. I’m not certain we would survive Trump, but I don’t think we’re going to have to find out.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:08 pm“You people” suggest group think and is plural therefore suggesting nothing about you personally even though it’s kinda rude and sounds bad. And he understands Trump about as much as you, me or the next guy that’s why he’s the next-to-last pick for President. Hillary being the last. Unless perhaps you’re suggesting you have some sort of insight into Trumps psyche that the rest of us don’t.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:13 pmNo CS, we have a difference of opinion about Donald Trump. That’s all. If you understood him, there wouldn’t even be that difference.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:13 pmwell just remember the words e pleb nista, and call you self yangs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/04/alberto-r-gonzales-trump-has-a-right-to-question-whether-hes-getting-a-fair-trial/?platform=hootsuite
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:16 pmDuh! Who said he didn’t? He also has a right to say that Hitler was right and we could use a man like Stalin again.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:19 pmLeviticus, why don’t you stop haranguing people about their screen name? CS isn’t “hectoring” you he’s speaking his opinion. Does he need your permission or do you need a “safe space” cause you’re a snowflake?
Perhaps a name change to Armageddon for you would be appropriate since you seem to want a commie as President.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:21 pmRev. Hoagie,
That is what I’m saying, exactly. I get him. Some of the #NeverTrump people may understand him as well, or they may have other reasons, I can’t say. But I get him. It’s what I do well. Working closely with psych patients requires that skill or you will certainly be injured. You might be injured anyway, but understanding people of all pathologies lessens the risk.
You will certainly be hurt if you get what you want this election, in ways that will completely blindside you.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:21 pmwhen you ride with red queen, who first started negotiating with the brothers,
https://cubaconfidential.wordpress.com/2016/06/03/havana-wants-prisoner-swap-for-american-spy-who-helped-fmln-guerrillas-kill-65-in-el-salvador-including-an-american-green-beret/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:22 pmred queen would probably have him over for an eid dinner, with invitations from her saudi donors to the foundation,
https://twitter.com/aronlund/status/739147509851926528
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:35 pmAre you so dysfunctional that you fail to notice that it’s your fellow Trumpkin who tries to turn threads like this, that have nothing to do with Donald Trump, into a Trumpfest and demand we all fall in line and start giving Trump credit for something Trump had nothing to do with? Until ropelight @9 engaged in blind Trump worship nobody else brought it up. It could have just continued like that except for the Trump fanbois deeply weird need to publicly display their mancrush.
Obviously that escaped your notice, Hoagie. Why?
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:35 pmstipulated but red queen has a hand in every disaster in this administration, I’ve shown you a few, mr. magoo is less myopic in so many ways, setting fires from the euphrates to donetsk to the niger river delta,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:41 pmOff topic to Patterico…
Sorry, I didn’t see your shout-out until long after it was made. I apologize for not acknowledging it sooner.
Stashiu3 (14435e) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:45 pm“What isn’t being discussed is how reckless and dangerous her private email server was,” he said, adding, “You have to assume that our enemies and adversaries had access to every email that went over her private server… did it affect their actions as it related to for example Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Crimea or Eastern Ukraine? What about the negotiations with Iran? What about Assad?”
— Sen. Ron Johnson
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:47 pmnow early in the thread, there was the little detail of the intelligence operatives she burned in her criminal negligence, does that matter, considering the kabuki deal that was made of the plame brouhaha, we’re back in red october hands, no 2, our navy is at the lowest point in 75 years, get a grip!!
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:48 pmIt’s extremely likely that Moscow, Tehran and Beijing know a helluva lot more about Hillary Clinton and her criminal activities than the American people do, but that will soon change.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:52 pmIt’s as if it doesn’t matter, narciso. It leaves many of us wondering WTF.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:54 pmactually there is a stronger cognate in spanish, QCE, I won’t spell it out, but it means the same,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:57 pmAn Ohio class submarine is the size of a WWII aircraft carrier and carries enough firepower to wipe out either Germany or Japan all on its own; and it’s part of the Nuclear Triad; and Demented Donna did not know what the Nuclear Triad was when asked; long after he started running for President; and if he was told he has probably forgotten it by now.
To put it another way, all the things that are wrong with Hillary are wrong with Trump in spades and it is insanely wishful thinking that he will be any good at all let alone better.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:59 pm“Perhaps the most shocking thing about EmailGate is that Ms. Clinton, as secretary of state, was privy to exactly such NSA reports, which are plainly derived from the interception of communications of other countries’ foreign ministers, yet she seems to have given no thought to the possibility that foreign spies were listening in on her. Even when her partner-in-crime Sid Blumenthal emailed her purloined, incredibly highly classified NSA reports that featured near-verbatim conversations from foreign leaders, Hillary showed no signs that this could be happening to her too.
Such existential cluelessness has to make anyone who understands how the world really works wonder about Ms. Clinton’s fitness to be commander-in-chief. It also raises awkward questions about the often dismal foreign policy record of the Obama administration. Topping that depressing list would be this White House’s failure to react to Vladimir Putin’s seizure of Crimea and subsequent invasion of Ukraine, its ongoing paralysis regarding Syria’s genocidal fratricide, plus its getting taken to the cleaners by Iran in its vaunted nuclear deal.”
— John Schindler
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 4:59 pmno it’s fairly fundamental, red queen wants to slash the triad further, and trump would ‘enbiggen’ it, the details really don’t matter, as the whole (redacted) thing is being taken down, this is the result of the iowa peace pledge taken 9 years ago,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 5:04 pmSECRET SERVICE AGENT BOOK ROCKS CLINTON CAMPAIGN
Sat Jun 04 2016 18:03:18 ET
**Exclusive**
Posted directly outside President Clinton’s Oval Office, Former Secret Service officer Gary Byrne reveals what he observed of Hillary Clinton’s character and the culture inside the White House while protecting the First Family.
Coming in 3 weeks his tell-all book: ‘CRISIS OF CHARACTER!’
The secret project is causing deep concern inside of Clinton’s campaign, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
Specific details of the agent’s confessional are being held under tight embargo.
“What I saw in the 1990s sickend me,” Byrne explains. “I want you to hear my story.”
http://drudgereport.com/flashss.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 5:36 pmHahahahaha
Leviticus (4c32a3) — 6/4/2016 @ 5:47 pmSteve57 @93:
I don’t know why, Steve57. I obviously missed that. I apologize. Sometimes I skim over stuff and miss details that unfortunately make me look foolish later. It will happen again so just point it out when it does, no hard feelings, sir.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/4/2016 @ 5:49 pm#9, and 93, that’s the unseemly animus I expected Steve. Thanks for not disappointing.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:16 pmsix of the links, including that I supplied focused on the consequences of red queen’s reign, but you’re too busy chasing the white whale,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:18 pmOrange roughy.
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:29 pmthe other link was about torpedo 8, which one would have thought had more significance today,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:29 pmbut I was wrong,
Hearing of the former Secret Service agent’s book, a Clinton campaign spokesperson called the news “both understandable and disappointing”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:45 pmHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:46 pmWhat “news”? Only by the atrociously degraded standard of the present age is anything that this clown writes in his little book going to be “news.”
Leviticus (4c32a3) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:48 pmit’s like a whole staff of joe isuzu’s,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:49 pmOnly by the atrociously degraded standard of the present age is anything that this clown, Drudge, links in his adware aggregator going to be “news.”
nk (dbc370) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:50 pmthe interesting thing were what ron kessler turned up, re the fbi agents testimony, that didn’t appear in ken starr’s report,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:52 pmhey our standards have long since been degraded, the witchhunt and unpersonning that happened in sanford was a notable example,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:55 pmLooks like some of these extremely forgiving fellows could almost be on the soon-to-be-indicted candidate’s payroll…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/4/2016 @ 6:58 pmI foolishly thought, after the last dozen years, we don’t take anything at face value, specially when they are offering a big shiny ‘secret’ in a box,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:07 pmmaybe she’s just ignorant or evil, I’ll take either choice,
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-san-bernardino-terror-attacks-are-1465008557-htmlstory.html
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:15 pmTrump has done a great job of raising issues the public cares about. It’s his judgment and decision-making that is suspect.
Picking the issues to raise, picking the time to raise them, knowing how to raise them inspite of a hostile press, are the results of judgement and decision making skills.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:34 pmHey Stashiu3,
What we need is a young Cadet James Kirk to hack into whatever computer is running this election scenario and change it so that there is a solution…
Other than that, and at least possible,
(yes, I’m repeating myself, lots of that happening)
Is truly divine intervention to give this election to someone else.
I do not vote for people because they have an R,
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:55 pmbut I do vote against people with a D unless they purposefully distance themselves from most of what the D party stands for,
But I agree that Trump is a terrible choice.
CS-
mg (f81376) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:16 pmStacks is great for breakfast, had a delicious meal at the Harbor Grill tonight. So many super eating places, Sol Agave in San Juan Capistrano is one of the best Mexican spots I have ever experienced. The candied filet appetizer was so darn good I almost had an erection. The people here in S. California are really nice and my daughter loves living in Dana Point and working around San Clemente.
The food is so fresh and tasty. My wife is a personal trainer and is as healthy of eater that their is, she is goo goo ga ga over the fresh vegetables. Avocado heaven. Have not been in S. California for 40 years, it is a tad more crowded!!!
CS- I had meant to thank you for your suggestions. You got game, brother.
mg (f81376) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:20 pmHow anyone could vote for a person who allowed our servicemen to die and fry in Benghazi is most definitely a me first individual. No matter how much of a dunce Trump may be, those servicemen would have had backup. The clintons are famous for having gunships in the air over targets and refuse to deploy. Pitiful.
mg (f81376) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:25 pmhave you stopped to consider that trump has hacked the federation computer,
the current paradigm of trade, amnesty and overextended military expeditions is not tenable,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/4/2016 @ 8:31 pmyet those are the only options on the menu allowed,
mg,
Glad you’re enjoying yourself there. I know a lot of those restaurants on the water can be pricey. You’re essentially paying for the “location” and to see the sun set over the ocean. Of course, you live around Cape Cod most of the year, so you know a thing or two about good seafood.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/4/2016 @ 9:40 pmIf I can suggest one thing you should pester your daughter to invest in, it’s a good windbreaker jacket. I swear, as soon as the sun goes down, the temp drops dramatically. It’ll be the middle of August, and if you’re walking around the beach after dark, it can drop down into the 50s. Not that that’s super cold, but it is if you’re dressed in summer attire.
CS,
mg (f81376) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:14 amWe are staying next to the beach and you are correct. We went 10 miles inland and it was 20 degrees warmer and no ocean mist, fog.
Her Patagonia and North Face gear will be useful. A most beautiful spot you have, CS.
Stashiu, thanks for the kind comment and I hope life is good for you lately!
Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:19 amThe commander in chief was Obama that night.
No real reason to think Clinton wouldn’t have made the same mistake, but only one guy made the call that night, probably because he didn’t want to be bothered over a handful of American souls when he wants to sleep so he is ready for his event with Kanye the next day (which he still attended).
Also plenty of reason to think Trump would have made the same mistake or worse. He praised Hillary’s work during this period before he realized that was unpopular and he flip flopped. And no GOP candidate in history has shown as much real contempt for our servicemen as draft dodging Trump.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:25 amBack at you, ropeliar. I pointed out to Hoagie that it wasn’t the #NeverTrump crowd who injected Trump into this. It was you, demanding everyone praise Trump for something he had nothing to do with it.
That’s a fact.
Fact = unseemly animus on planet Trump.
Trump has always been a leftist. He’s running with an R after his name, but he’s always been a NY establishment influence buying liberal and still is. And he’s turned you and all the other Trumpkins into leftists. Because leftists are at war with facts; leftists are at war with reality.
And without too much trouble, ropeliar, did you become a conventional leftist.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 3:10 am130-Dustin
mg (f81376) — 6/5/2016 @ 6:23 amJustify it anyway you please. The clintons hate this country of ours and she should have demanded action. If she would have disagreed with obama and made it public, perhaps the darling clinton would be a shoo in, but she agreed with letting those servicemen die. Trump would most definitely have killed a few rug heads, dune dwellers or effing muzzies.
Steve57, I already apologized for that. In my haste I overlooked the injection of Trump. Unfortunately, I make mistakes and that was one where I put my foot in my mouth and you caught it. If I offended again, I apologize, please just take it as an error on my part.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/5/2016 @ 6:49 amDustin do you love crimalein activity? This biotch of yours truly does.
mg (f81376) — 6/5/2016 @ 7:24 amhttp://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/06/04/clinton-stresses-commitment-to-immigration-reform-in-sylmar-campaign-stop/
narciso, I know I have mentioned it before, thanks for turning me on to Clarice.
mg (f81376) — 6/5/2016 @ 7:39 amhttp://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/6_4_2016_23_38.html
#131, steve, it’s inaccurate to claim that I ‘injected’ Trump into this thread (see my comment #9). I responded to an assertion Patterico included in his post:
I pointed out that if reporters brought up the ‘underreported issue’ in a Trump interview Big Media would not be able to ignore it. My comment wasn’t intended to hijack the thread, (or to give you an opportunity to grind your favorite axe) but to suggest a method for bringing the Administration’s lies front and center.
Further, I predicted that #NeverTrumpanzies, like you, would be unable to pass up the opportunity deny that Trump could possibly be useful in any capacity. You proved my point, and your insane stupidity couldn’t prevent you from doing it.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/5/2016 @ 8:21 am3. orcadrvr (3cc3b1) — 6/3/2016 @ 9:19 am
It would probably be traced back to some technician who would claim that’s what he thought even though that might not be the case at all.
But you could check if there was a close association betwene that technician and somebody else.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/5/2016 @ 8:53 amRev. Hoagie, I know you did, and no apologies needed. We all miss something.
I was responding to ropelight. Who has descended in drooling insanity. He’s hearing voices apparently.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:00 am9. ropelight (596f46) — 6/4/2016 @ 7:29 am
I’ve already said somewhere, I think, that maybe he could stumble into something.
Yes, he could help a few things. Hillary and her people must be nervous – what if he touches the wrong thing? Will he set off an explosion? There are plenty of vulnerabilities. They can see what can happen. Their only comfort is that Trump doesn’t really know anything. But, still…that’s why she must try to sloidify her position as much as possible.
If Trump would pick up on some things, that would be fine. Hillary Clinton is probably afraid that Trump will say something, or, more likely, get other people talking and writing about something. It’s more the latter – other people using something he says as a cue. Trump himself is not very good at this. He can barely choke out the words that Hillary is crooked and should go to jail, and then, after that, all he does is repeat himself. Very, very, little detail follows. He hasn’t got much to say.
About this one, I don’t know that Trump has said anything. It’s all the news media. And it only concerns the post-Hillary Clinton State Department, although who knows if she left somebody behind who did this. Most of her people left, though with her.
If they both destroy each other completely, maybe something can happen; in the meantime, it’s nothing to complain about.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:06 amropelight @136,
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It is entirely accurate; you injected Trump into this. Nobody but a Trumpkin would look at this and think somehow that Pat was referring to Trump in any way shape or form. It had nothing to do with Trump. You only think it was somehow required to bring up Trump because of your fanboi man crush.
I realize the fog of your drooling insanity will prevent you from perceiving reality on this issue.
The concept of a “underreported issue” seems to elude you. Again, due to your drooling insanity you will be unable to perceive reality on this issue, too, I know. But reporters underreport issues because they’re trying to hide a story. So, you imagine the reporters will bring this “underreported issue” in a Trump interview? Seriously? Knowing full well that then Big Media won’t be able to ignore it?
Reporters may be partisan and malicious, ropelight, but unlike you they aren’t batsh*t crazy. Underreporting an issue means not mentioning it. Not ever. Including in a Trump interview.
I made two factual points. That you injected Trump into this thread. And that Trump had nothing to do with breaking the story. How you make the leap from that to me denying that Trump could possibly be useful in any capacity, perhaps after years of therapy your psychiatrist may be able to explain. But I can’t, and no other sane person can.
At this point you clearly need inpatient help.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:16 amropelight, pro tip: when you look at everything and anything and say to yourself (if you can get a word in edgewise with yourself over the din of voices in your head) “now would be a good time to talk about my man Trump,” you’re injecting Trump into the conversation.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:21 amDumbo, I never thought Patterico was referring to Donald Trump, that’s why I offered my suggestion that Trump might be useful in bring it to the puclic’s attention.
If there’s anyone who needs a shrink, it’s you.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:22 amyet we pretend there is accountability,
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/5/irs-reveals-list-of-tea-party-groups-targeted-for-/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:40 pmwell why was he there in the first place,
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/05/20/clinton-foundation-tapper-journalists-website-scrub-column/27599203/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:47 pmif we lost a carrier, like the yorktown 76 years ago, what would the reaction of the intelligentsia today, they probably would say it was their fault,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:58 pm