Patterico's Pontifications

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Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/13/2016 @ 7:50 am

ikes this is scary

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 7:53 am

Makes my daughter’s decision — and it was her decision — to go to a Catholic high school in the Fall look very sound. But, then, I’ve always trusted her instincts to begin with.

But what is it with the SCOAMF pulling this in an election year? Did Tiny Donnie make them that confident that social issues will not be at issue?

nk (dbc370) — 5/13/2016 @ 7:57 am

I’m a wizard mind you! I prophesy a remake of Porky’s in the future. Instead of drilling a hole through a wall, horny 16 year olds will instead walk boldly through the girl’s locker rooms raging hard-on in full view shushing angry naked and humiliated teenage girls holding little towels over their naughty parts, and assuring them that in fact they also are teenage girls. In this version of Porky’s there won’t be an angry ballbricker yanking away at a horny boy’s sausage, instead it will be some transvestite snidely questioning Peewee’s gender identity.

Jack (ff1ca8) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:04 am

horny boy sausage srsly

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:07 am

Greetings:

One of the things that is interesting to me in this regard is that unlike homosexuality, gender dysphoria is yet to be purged from the diagnostic manual and yet this never seems to show up in these conversations and/or dictats.

11B40 (6abb5c) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:10 am

One Texas school superintendent has already said that the president’s letter is going into the paper shredder:

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:10 am

The Supreme Court SSM decision is why this is happening.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:13 am

Here’s why:

Absent recognition of LGBT as a suspect class, the assertion of transgender rights under the Due Process or Equal Protection Clauses may rely on the equality and dignity formulations ofObergefell v. Hodges (2015).

In Obergefell, Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion explained that “[t]he Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity.” Hence, the liberties protected by the 14th Amendment extend to “intimate choices that define personal identity and beliefs.” Law professor Lawrence Tribe has celebrated that “Obergefell’s chief jurisprudential achievement is to have tightly wound the double helix of Due Process and Equal Protection into a doctrine ofequal dignity,” and the decision’s establishment of same-sex couples’ freedom to marry was “understood by all to directly redress the subordination of LGBT individuals.”

And Scott Skinner-Thompson, associate law professor at NYU, has noted the case’s potential implications for trans rights: “The court’s recognition that both due process and equal protection require that individuals be permitted to self-determine—to define and express themselves—has unmistakable extension to rights for the transgender community. . . . . Understanding that transgender identity is, in part, about access to the ability [to] express and define oneself makes the relationship between the court’s ruling and transgender rights clear.”

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:17 am

Did Tiny Donnie make them that confident that social issues will not be at issue?

When an out-and-out leftist is currently in the White House, I’m not sure why you think a big squish-squish like Trump is somehow the big influencer at the moment. I mention that, nk, even more so since you did mention not long ago that you do have shades of liberalism in your philosophy or take on the world.

As for the ongoing socio-political debacle that is America, and Western civilization, in the 21st century, this particular situation does crop up in light of the former Bruce Jenner reportedly regretting his decision to become a female.

Mark (3a3812) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:27 am

From their push to turn sexual intimacy into a codified process flow and disrupt biological functions, while turning the use of restrooms into a weird amalgam of the Birdcage Meets Sisters of teh Perpetual Defecation to cater to the less than .01ers, these control freaks, led by Teh Won, will stop at nothing.

Colonel Haiku (ea7bff) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:36 am

You’ll worry less about this if if your daughter knows karate. Or if her big brother does.

f1guyus (5a4596) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:44 am

This is actually pretty funny to me. On my campus, there is a big, big push for “nongendered bathrooms.”

Yet the same people claim that there is a “rape culture” present.

Where is Jonathan Swift when you need him?

Simon Jester (2708f4) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:50 am

This will not end well. It was my experience coaching in inner city high schools that the administrations were very adept at playing the discipline game. Rather than enforce simple rules on campus, like don’t gang up on someone you don’t like and kick the hell out of him at lunch, which would lead to eight or nine disciplinary actions against a favored racial class, which could result in Federal intervention, the administration would look the other way. This had the expected result of encouraging the more violent ones to feel comfortable in their bad habits. By the second month in the fall semester, these characters, generally incoming 9th graders, misjudging the situation, could be counted on to overstep a hitherto nonexistent line, and committed a felony in view of a police officer. The police then charged the culprit. Having a felony arrest, the undesired student was then assigned to a special school, never to be seen again at the nice school with the excellent racial discipline record. Of course, there was the victim of the felony to be concerned about, but more often than not it was someone who was attacked off of school grounds, as in the sidewalk fronting the school, and so no one at the school needed to be concerned.

Letting aggressive boys into the girls bathrooms on campus will create a problem that can’t be handled by this method of exporting the bad behavior to a locale were the police can step in. The girls bathrooms on campus will be a special little universe, a sort of free fire zone. And even the most obtuse gangster in training will understand that what he can do on campus freely, in the privacy of the girls bathroom, is not something that will be overlooked on the sidewalk in front of the school.

BobStewartatHome (404986) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:53 am

Not content with just breaking America, Obama seems determined to grind us to sh!t before he leaves office.

This is what happens when people reject the idea of having any standards at all. What kind of insanity has gripped our nation when grown adults fail to realize there are two sexes? Not three, or five or thirty five. Two. Why does such a simple and obvious truth strike fear in the hearts of leftists?

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:53 am

Surely Mr. Not-PC will tell them to stuff it, right? The guy who wanted to kill terrorists’ families won’t quail at the thought of offending little Chrissie, will he?

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:00 am

Absent recognition of LGBT as a suspect class, the assertion of transgender rights under the Due Process or Equal Protection Clauses may rely on the equality and dignity formulations ofObergefell v. Hodges (2015).

So, where does this end? Can I assert a right to live as a black man, and wear blackface all the time, and expect the state to protect me from invidious discrimination, public and private, and to treat any assault or other physical confrontation as a hate crime?

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:04 am

But what is it with the SCOAMF pulling this in an election year? Did Tiny Donnie make them that confident that social issues will not be at issue?
nk

This is his standard MO. He is laying in the administrative rules that will allow the bureaucrats to punish rebels in the future, long after Obama’s gone.

I got an email from our diversity gal back in 2010 asking us to answer a federal “voluntary” survey about our ethnicity, or the college could risk losing federal money. I refused. I refused the second email too, about the “voluntary” survey. Eventually I left for another job. Also got the email there, with an asterisk that said “supervisor will make visual identification” if employee declines to answer. This is all to force employers to hire people of certain races.

Patricia (5fc097) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:05 am

This needs a coordinated national response. At at least 100 high schools across the nation, a group of boys, at least five or six but the more the better, approach the principal and demand access to the girls’ locker rooms, declaring themselves to be girls. They are ready for the principal to come up with all sorts of ad hoc criteria to distinguish them from actual “trans-girls”, but these will have been obviously made up on the spot, and will be easy to challenge as without legal foundation.

After two or three such attempts have been refuted, they hand the principal a letter signed by all their parents backing up their demands, and a letter from a lawyer (from one of the legal foundations that deal with this sort of thing) saying “I represent these young women, and if they are not allowed to use the girls’ locker room I intend to file suit for them”.

Once the principal has had a few minutes to absorb this, they pull the next card: “Oh by the way if you do let us into the locker room, expect a law suit by our sisters who will claim that they are being denied a safe space to undress. Why yes, they have the same lawyer, who will be just as happy to represent them as us.

“The only way we don’t sue you is if you declare an official policy that people with penises don’t belong in the girls’ locker room no matter what they call themselves, and reply accordingly to the letter you got. Yes, the 0bama administration may go after you, but then again they may be bluffing; one way or another you’re taking a risk, so pick your side now.”

Milhouse (87c499) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:06 am

Obama is doing this because he can. And every day he discovers something new that he can do. Our only hope is that he suddenly learns how to play golf, and decides to devote himself to a new career while the green’s fees are covered by the WH slush fund.

The danger is that our foreign adversaries are watching all this, and they too will realize that there are many things that they can do, that they hadn’t even considered before. And like Obama, they will realize that their window of opportunity is now, not next year.

BobStewartatHome (404986) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:09 am

So, where does this end? Can I assert a right to live as a black man, and wear blackface all the time, and expect the state to protect me from invidious discrimination, public and private, and to treat any assault or other physical confrontation as a hate crime?

Yes, actually. You already can do that, and the police do have to protect you as much as they protect anyone. A more interesting question is whether a public school student could assert the right to do so at school. In principle yes, the law would be on your side, but it would take a few lawsuits to get it through the heads of reluctant principals.

Milhouse (87c499) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:12 am

What kind of insanity has gripped our nation when grown adults fail to realize there are two sexes? Not three, or five or thirty five. Two

Oh, the DOE/DOJ agree that there are two. They just say that membership in one or the other does not depend on anatomy but on personal declaration. If you say you’re a girl then you’re a girl, and are entitled to use the girls’ room, and if the other girls are mean to you because of your penis then they’re bigots and must be disciplined.

Milhouse (87c499) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:15 am

It doesn’t end, Kevin. That’s the point.

Also, forcing religions to back down was part of the plan, so the issue becomes how do we let people have everything they want and balance any conflicts — as long as it’s only secular balancing.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:15 am

Someone mentioned das Jenner somewhere this morning…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3587561/The-real-reason-Caitlyn-Jenner-considering-returning-man-Kardashian-biographer-reveals-Christian-belief-sinful-date-women-gender-struggle.html

kishnevi (31ba4e) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:44 am

As noted by morning Jolt, there is no definition of how you determine sex.

Now all the transgender promoters say that sex isn’t binary. And Facebook offers more than two choices for sex.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html

Why shouldn’t bathrooms, then, have to accomodate 56 different genders, not just two?

You could maybe claim there is some kind of discrimination when some people aren’t offered a private bathroom, but why try to stuff people into just two genders, when the whole premise of these people is that there are not just two genders?

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:55 am

8. The Supreme Court SSM decision is why this is happening.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:13 am

Of course it’s all of one piece, and I agree with the analysis in your followon comment. As far as it goes. But it doesn’t go far enough.

We’re already dealing with the absurd, reality bending consequences of the Obergefell just on the SSM marriage issue alone. Some states, like Kali, require that insurers provide same-sex couples with “fertility” treatments along with heterosexual couples. I put fertility in scare quotes because with same-sex couples it is not a matter of fertility. It is a matter of biological impossibility. Both people can be fertile, doesn’t matter. Two people of the same sex can not produce children together.

It is now “hurtful” and indeed “hateful” to point out this reality. That there is no such thing as marriage “equality” because nature in the form of biological reality gets the final say. You can call a relationship between two people of the same sex a marriage just like a union between two people of the opposite sex. But they are functionally different. Therefore, not equal. But PC requires us to blind ourselves to the facts lest we be called “homophobes” and bigots for saying chromosomes matter.

This was the first step in un-mooring reality from what is socially acceptable,, at least in some circles.

It continued; now in some states when a lesbian or gay couple outsources its procreation to a third party the happy couple gets to list a woman as the father or a man as the mother depending on whether they are part of the L or G portion of the increasing list of insane possibilities. And worst of all we’re all supposed to be “polite” and buy into the fiction that some dude is really that kids mom instead of acknowledging the reality the kid’s mom is actually a woman who is now out of the picture. Or that the butch lesbian is the kid’s dad, when in fact “dad” contributed the contents of the turkey baster.

In other words, we’re all supposed to walk in lockstep and buy into the lie or suffer the consequences.

George Orwell was there at the beginning of this, and he thought it was curable at the time but unfortunately things have turned terminal.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

George Orwell, “Politics and the English Language,” 1946

…I have not here been considering the literary use of language, but merely language as an instrument for expressing and not for concealing or preventing thought.

But then, that’s what PC is all about. Concealing or preventing thought. “Homophobe” is in the final analysis devoid of meaning; like most of the left’s vocabulary (racist, bigot, Islamophobe, now Transphobe, etc.) it’s simply a verbal grenade people of the left throw at others to shut them down. The point being is that if we change to definitions of words so that they no longer convey anything, and shut people up who would use words that do accurately describe reality, then reality ceases to exist. Indeed, without the words to express it the idea of objective reality ceases to exist.

This war on biological reality continues in the bathrooms and locker rooms of our nation’s schools.

I did find this portion of DRJ’s comment #9 interesting.

…Hence, the liberties protected by the 14th Amendment extend to “intimate choices that define personal identity and beliefs.” Law professor Lawrence Tribe has celebrated that “Obergefell’s chief jurisprudential achievement is to have tightly wound the double helix of Due Process and Equal Protection into a doctrine ofequal dignity,” and the decision’s establishment of same-sex couples’ freedom to marry was “understood by all to directly redress the subordination of LGBT individuals.”

It has had the opposite effect. Now the 97-99% of people who are not gay or transgender have no right to a shred of dignity or privacy. In Fort Worth schools they used to have a policy that anyone who identified as “transgender” (again a biological impossibility) could use a single-stall
restroom. But that won’t due for our totalitarian overlords. That would imply that the straight kids who do not want to compromise their dignity or privacy by having to appear in various forms of undress in front of someone clearly of the opposite biological sex have rights that anyone should respect.

Actually, those straight kids and their parents opposed to this madness have the law entirely on their side.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PJI_letter_to_FHS_10-1.10.13.pdf

Since when has this administration respected precedent or the Constitution when it gets in the way of fundamentally transforming the United States? The thing is the Obama administration realizes they don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to imposing boys on girls and girls on boys in bathrooms and locker rooms (I realize the latter sounds like a teenage boy’s dream but if you remember when you were a kindergartner or in early elementary school you might not have enjoyed it so much). That was the importance of Loretta Lynch’s Orwellian “Jim Crow” speech (again with the George Orwell). As the SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled students to not check their rights at the schoolhouse gate. They retain those rights and as the Pacific Justice Institute (which has been
on the front lines fighting this lunacy) one of the most fundamental of those rights is the right of “choosing not to undress or be in a state of full or partial nudity in the presence of members of the opposite biological sex. To this end, federal courts have recognized that anti-discrimination laws which ostensibly would give individuals no discretion in sharing intimate spaces such as bathrooms with the opposite sex yield to higher privacy considerations and common sense.” (The letter then goes on to cite case law.)

Since the law is against them, the administration is moving to get PC on their side. If you would stand on your rights, you’re no better than a Klansman or an old fashioned Democrat; i.e. southern racist segregationist. In other words, if you’re a 14 y.o. girl and you don’t want to shower with a 16 y.o. boy then there’s something wrong with you! Only a bigot would assume that the intact and erect male genitalia confronting you in the shower means “she” is not a girl.

Hence “transphobic.”

There is a method to this madness. If you believe, as the radicals on the left do that we must smash the bourgeois family and create the new soviet man then we must start smashing a lot of eggs.

I’m not joking; I’ve known a lot of emigres from communist countries. This is how it works (it’s also how cults work). One of my favorite websites is the People’s Cube.

http://thepeoplescube.com/

It’s political humor and satire written from the perspective of what it was like to grow up andlive in the USSR. Perhaps unremarkabley not to different from growing up and living in this Obamanation. One of their sections is titled/subtitled, “The Current Truth subject to change without notice.”

Your children will not be allowed to grow up to become citizens in a free country but will be indoctrinated to become docile clients of an all powerful nanny state where protests will be allowed but only if the protests are for more nanny statism (see the current crybullies demanding more safe spaces from reality and larger and more powerful administrations to banish and crush unapproved thought as hate speech and microaggressions if you doubt me). Dissenting opinions will not be allowed and the PC speech and thought police have their way dissenting opinions will not even be able to be formed as the language to express them won’t exist. And that nanny state will control everything including what was formerly known as objective reality. It will
dispense it on a daily basis and as noted at the People’s Cube it will be subject to change without notice. They’ll get used to it; they’ll know no other way.

Sometimes, Winston, the party needs the answer to be five, sometimes three. It really doesn’t matters how many fingers the party apparatchik is holding up.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:57 am

The DOE/DOJ’s premise is that there are only two genders, and that both depend only on a person’s choice.

Milhouse (87c499) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:58 am

23. Also, forcing religions to back down was part of the plan, so the issue becomes how do we let people have everything they want and balance any conflicts — as long as it’s only secular balancing.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:15 am

Religion and family are the two primary competitors with the state for a person’s affection and loyalty. Totalitarians have always hated that. Therefore they must both be
destroyed.

The Obama administration isn’t forcing the Little Sisters of the Poor to commit an excommunicable sin because there’s some crying need for mostly elderly nuns to provide themselves or what limited lay help with contraceptives and abortifacients. It’s to eliminate them as competition. It’s a deliberate assualt; either violate your vows or pack up and go home.

The US Constitution says we have the right to the free exercise of religion. Obama the constitutional scholar keeps talking about “freedom of worship.” Proving that he is indeed quite the constitutional scholar. Because that was the right people had under the old Soviet Constitution.

Remember Julia? Married to the state. She had a cat and a vegetable garden and a cradle-to-grave nanny state.

Remember the 2012 Democratic National Convention? Government is the one thing we all do together. They’re making that true by imperial decree using the hammer of the administrative state.

Or as another political philosopher Obama no doubt approves of (the jutting chin of Obama certainly bears a striking physical resemblance) once said, everything for the state, everything within the state, nothing outside the state.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:12 am

@Steve57

In other words, we’re all supposed to walk in lockstep and buy into the lie or suffer the consequences.

That’s the real problem here.

And with transgenderism, in other contexts, they argue that there are more than two sexes. So why suddenly with bathrooms, is it binary? Facebook allows 56 genders! (although you can discover all the possibilities only by trial and error)

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:17 am

As I said recently,
I, even I,
am surprised at how fast this has come and has been doubled (suit against NC) and now tripled down.

As a political maneuver, I would have thought this would not have come until HRC was in office.
Unless they are afraid HRC will lose and need to do this now.

As I said before, I think a respectful but firm stand against this is a political winner.

Early word is that Trump is opposing by saying it is not a federal issue,
but was also initially against the NC state effort to “protect a two separate bathroom policy”.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:18 am

I read an article linked at PowerLine yesterday about some leftist who wrote that he thought the transgender movement was trying to inappropriately demand the rest of society to fall into line. he claimed to be a card-carrying lib, only hating republicans,
but he was slammed

I forget where I saw it, anybody else see it?

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:22 am

This was never just about bathrooms, just like it was never about gay marriage. It’s about crushing dissent as social norms are redefined while simultaneously eliminating any remaining Judeo-Christian values. Morality must go. All the progressives needed to get this in full motion was was a willing president.

Objectors be warned:

Some of us care little about the debate over public bathrooms. We do, however, care about the ongoing destruction of federalism, individual choice, and good-faith debate.

One reliable way to quash dissent and force moral codes on others is to liken your cause to that of the civil rights fight. Every liberal issue is situated somewhere on the great historical arc of “equality” and “justice.” If a person stands against even one of these causes—which were once great but are increasingly trivial—they have, according to the cultural imperialists of the Obama administration, aligned themselves with the Klan. Literally.

He’s right, as evidenced by this from Loretta Lynch:

This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation; we saw it in the fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education; and we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions that were intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:23 am

Unless they are afraid HRC will lose and need to do this now.

the cultural leftists in the Obama Administration aren’t taking anything for granted, including maybe HRC’s position on these issues.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:23 am

i been holding it all day

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:25 am

I don’t know how many “genders” there are but I do know there are only two sexes and choice has nothing to do with it. If you keep using their nomenclature, genders, they will always win. Force them to use the word “sex” in this context just as they should be forced to use “baby” in the abortion context. Orwell? He who controls the language controls the argument.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:25 am

I’ll be curious to see if feminists, who have been fighting back against the injustice and stigma of having to endure menstrual cycles, will push back against this ultimate war on women given that young women in high schools everywhere will now be forced to tend to their feminine hygiene needs in the presence of males. Heh.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:27 am

Waiting to see the kerfuffle over the first transgender who becomes all state girls hs basketball star and needs to shave her face along with her legs.
I think this was mentioned above, try to get them tied up in knots over their aggrieved community rivalries.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:31 am

Dana is right – this is not about bathrooms, or public schools. It is about the negation of the category of “woman.”

There is now no such thing as a “sex, “ other than what the federal government deems (or something similar to what the Fourth Circuit held and most certainly, the Supremes will hold), and any person born with a penis (hereinafter referred to as a “man”) can decide at any time, for any duration of time, that he is, in fact and truth, exactly the same as a person born with a vagina (hereinafter referred to as a “woman”). Therefore, the category and identity of “woman,” are destroyed except as women or women’s places, spaces, physicality, etc. serve the needs of men who insist they are “women.”

If a man decides he is a woman (even if just for that afternoon) he has the right to enter spaces set aside for women, such as their bathrooms, locker rooms and changing rooms. He may state that he “feels” like a woman (apologies to Shania Twain), and must be treated like one; he may claim he is afraid to toilet, shower or change with men. An accommodation such as allowing a separate space for a him who feels like a her is not acceptable – he must watch women toilet, shower and change. It does not matter that his internal reality has no correspondence with actual reality, and that the women do not share his delusion and do not want to be the objects of this particular “male gaze.” The women in that toilet, dressing room or locker room exist in reality only to provide the “therapy” he states he needs and to provide him a space away from the “male gaze.”

Women therefore have no voice or right to object to any “male gaze.” How can a woman know that a particular man is, in fact, a man? She has no right to object to a “male gaze” anywhere – only a bigot and transphobe would assume a man is not, in fact, a woman – and a lesbian woman at that.

Traditional women’s teams have no right to federal funds under Title IX. Who is to say that the men who say they are women cannot populate the women’s lacrosse, soccer, softball, swimming and tennis teams? No one can say that. These men, who are now, in fact, women, can push every woman off the team. No set-asides for women. This is because men who say they are women are as much women as vagina-women. They are better women, because they are, on average, stronger and faster. The best woman for the job will always be a man.

So, if a man cannot or does not want to make the men’s team, all he has to do on tryout day is “identify” as a woman. If 15 to 20 such men decided to do that for the lacrosse or tennis teams, it is highly likely the entire team would be men – identifying as women of course. And since no one can “discriminate” against such men, and because there is no requirement other than the man’s bald assertion that he is a woman, the school gets credit under Title IX for supporting “women’s” sports.
Olympic and professional sports will soon follow.

There is no need to encourage women in the STEM fields, if there are enough men who identify as women in those fields. Who is to say that those men are not women? No one can say that – so when colleges, medical schools, engineering firms, etc. report the percentages of men and women in their programs or on the job, they will get “woman” credit for every man who identifies as a woman on the day the reports are prepared. Even the “Vagina Monologues” performances have been canceled because of the men who say they are women. No category of “vagina” is allowed – even in the arts. “Women’s Studies” are becoming “Gender Studies” – no category of “woman” allowed.

Women will have no protection against job discrimination, college or graduate school entry, or choice about being housed with men in dorm rooms, hospital rooms, or prisons under the same criteria. All a man has to do is state to the company, hospital, prison or college that he “identifies” as a woman (at least on that day!) It does not matter if he is married to a woman, that he is a father or will father children, that he dresses and presents as a traditional male. Who is to say that he is not a woman? No one can say he is not a woman.

In time, vagina-women can be pushed back out of the academy and labor force into the jobs the men never wanted anyway. They will lose all privacy in hospitals, dorms, prisons. Rape in prison? Heck, that has been happening for decades. So what?

Women’s physicality, their relative vulnerability do not matter – they exist only to confirm certain men at certain times in their claims that those men, are, in fact, women. The only vulnerable ones are the men claiming to be women. Men can claim unlimited protection, which is to inhabit the spaces of women. Women may not claim any such protection.

Women now have no say as to who is in their “identity group.” Contrast this with black identity. Black identity groups are more popular than ever – “safe spaces” away from whites on college campuses, “Black Lives Matter,” and “black power” are all acceptable expressions of “black identity.” Rachel Dolezal, a white person who attempted to be “identified” as black was shut down – others “questioned” her racial identity. The government and the media approve of black (and Hispanic) identities as categories. They deny that a “woman identity” is a real category.

Reducing “woman-ness” to the thoughts inside a man’s head inevitably results in limited utility for “woman” in society. The only utility vagina-women will have (outside of confirming a man’s identity as a woman) will be as breeders, models and actresses (and maybe not even as models and actresses – see Sports Illustrated).

A misogynist paradise – woman-hood defined owned exclusively by men! Woman’s utility reduced to breeder. The women’s movement completely obliterated, your daughters left with whatever educational and vocational crumbs the men do not want – enforced by the government, courts and thought leaders of that movement. Brilliant.

Ro (5f03b7) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:35 am

As referred to above by Dana and previously:

Alinsky paid homage to Lucifer, the first radical.

Lucifer lead the rebellion against God,
and nothing has changed since.

The underlying organizing principle of the left (unknown to some of the superficial left) is simply hatred of God and all that He has done and stands for,
the logic is chaos and everyone devouring each other in the end (See Screwtape Letters)
unbridled hatred hiding under hurt feelings and yearning to go back into Eden.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:42 am

Is is discriminatory to charge men who identify as women higher insurance rates than women who identify as women?

I’m sure there are other cans of worms that allowing people to choose what gender they are can open up, but this is the first that I thought of.

Diffus (7b30f9) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:45 am

Why isn’t babytalker delighted about this? Isn’t this the kind of thing he likes? Doesn’t he realize this is what happens when you don’t have a “butt-snuffler” like Ted Cruz making an issue of the Federal government threatening you with financial retribution if they don’t turn their religious beliefs and their understanding of basic biology on a dime?

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:46 am

It’s about making sure identity groups will have something to fight about, Ro. That’s the lifebloood of the Democratic Party.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:46 am

saying all humans are the same, no male and female, (because “gender” is what we want it to be)
is akin to saying humans are just another type of animal
is akin to saying there is no God-man distinction, because there is no God, or if there is, “god” is no better than a human
no objective right and wrong

it is not coherently logical,
except to see the logic of being in opposition to that which is coherent and “holds together”

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:46 am

hf was against transgendered people, not just against the idea
there is ample PP electronic record substantiating this

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:47 am

that is to say, he was against them before he was for them

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:48 am

We told happyfeet this would happen after Obergefell. Steve57 specifically used transgenders as an example but hf never responded to that point.

DRJ (15874d) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:03 am

There will always be causes for the Democrats to fight about. They will make sure of it because their very existence depends on it.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:07 am

I would like to know if the White House has implemented this new bathroom policy?

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:14 am

Dana, the White House as well as Congress is specifically excluded fro this policy. SOP.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:18 am

This idea of people “identifying” as something has got to stop. We had that Dolezal idiot identifying as black or Warren identifying as Indian and now men identifying as women. This is ridiculous. These people need psychological treatment not reinforcement of their delusions. This is insanity. We have men who are psychologically delusional and identify as women creating law throughout the republic. This is nothing less than mass hypnosis or hysteria.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:27 am

Who is going to do the write up of the Trump/Miller/Baron exposé in the WaPo? Trump’s hissy fit and threats to Bezos are amusing.

Rick Ballard (1e7f0c) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:28 am

If only there were some technology that allowed people to eliminate behind closed, locked doors.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:35 am

Oh, that’s right: it’s closed, locked doors. That’s the technology.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:37 am

i’m not a tranny fan but i don’t really care where they pee as long as they don’t keep peeing in their pantsuits to where they walk into a room and all you smell is rank stale old lady urine

old lady urine’s like cat urine if it gets on something you pretty much have to just throw it away

I can’t emphasize this enough how disgusting it is

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:41 am

If only there was some technology that allowed people to dress and shower behind closed, locked doors too.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:44 am

“This idea of people “identifying” as something has got to stop.”

– Rev. Hoagie

Yeah! How can society effectively oppress people if they have the capacity to re-categorize themselves?!

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:46 am

“If only there was some technology that allowed people to dress and shower behind closed, locked doors too.”

– Rev. Hoagie

If only. Let’s get a R&D team on that one, stat.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:47 am

But Trump is the Anti-Christ.

#48, I could care less if in the WH men are defecating in women’s mouths. What I want to know is if Obama’s Daughters are subject to this at school or anywhere else?????

I know the answer but curious to see if the WH and Obola himself are a-OK with it.

Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:48 am

If anyone’s interested the Big East Girls Softball Championships are on TV. The score is tied at 6 runs each. Butler (vs DePaul) is threatening at the top of the 5th. Excellent game.

ropelight (bff1e7) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:50 am

Congress is the only effective check on tyrannical bureaucracy. Until Congress holds tyrannical bureaucrats responsible for their unlawful and/or unconstitutional decrees there will only be more of them. Elections and appropriations aren’t enough. Those who would abuse the power they’ve been given have to be removed from office permanently if there is to be any hope of turning back the tidal wave of administrative tyranny. While hopeful, the likelihood that our Congressional representatives have the courage to act is low.

crazy (cde091) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:50 am

jesus wants us to be nice to his trannies

that’s what my mom would say

one must be kind she’d say to me

and i’d be like i know mom i know

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:07 pm

Yeah! How can society effectively oppress people if they have the capacity to re-categorize themselves?!

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:46 am

I’m trying and failing to figure what that means. It actually resembles some of papertiger’s remarks.

Gerald A (945582) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:09 pm

#59 ropeliar,

By the way, on the Golf Channel, they’re showing a replay of the 1988 British Open. In case anyone’s interested. (LOL)

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:20 pm

President Obama’s daughters go to private schools. The president’s sweeping directive is directed to public schools across the nation. So, Sasha and Malia are exempt.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:27 pm

I’m trying and failing to figure what that means. It actually resembles some of papertiger’s remarks.

That’s a typical asinine snark, Gerald A. I suppose it means people need to re-categorize themselves from white to black or male to female to avoid being oppressed by those racist, bigoted, misogynistic, Islamophobic, homophobic, Christian, white-privileged males. In other words, leftist victims.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:28 pm

Tthanks obammy you just won the election for trump!

thanks obammy (19c2e9) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:36 pm

I think it is demeaning to force transwomen to sit and pee when their plumbing would allow standing.

URINALS IN THE GIRL’S ROOM! NOW!!!!1!!

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:40 pm

#64 Exactly.

Elitists can pay to immune themselves from their laws.

How is that fair and equitable?

Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:41 pm

Thanks obammy you just won the election for trump!

No reporter will force Hillary to defend this.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:41 pm

Don’t eat the yellow snow.

Frank Zappa (31009b) — 5/13/2016 @ 12:44 pm

republican super pacs will show mrs. clinton opening bathroom door for man following young girl into bathroom and saying vote trump if you don’t want this.

thanks obammy (19c2e9) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:03 pm

Of course, in the interest of fairness, this ruling will be extended to every to every outhouse, loo, ceramic convenience in the land…..just wait for it.

askeptic (02878f) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:10 pm

Leviticus,
If you ever wondered why some people have a knee jerk reaction to your posts
It is because you sometimes make knee jerk comments.

I posted about this issue some time ago (i.e., a few months or more) when I first learned it was law in MA that students had the right not only to use the bathroom of the sex/gender they identified with,
but to try out for and belong to the sports team of their “identity”,
a 17 with male genitalia had the right to be on the girls basketball team and shower with them after practice/games,
and in MA and other smaller jurisdictions where this has been adopted if any of the female teammates have an issue, it is considered that there is a problem with them for not being ok with it.

Obama and the full weight of the federal government may have not yet tried to make us all eat broccoli,
but now they can tell us that not only can’t we grow wheat on our property if they say so,
but they also have told us that Suzie needs to let Johnny->Jonni use the same bathroom and even locker room/showers.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:31 pm

‎MD in Philly: MA does not currently have that law, but that’s true for about this week. The 2011 transgender anti-discr‎imination law did not include public facilities (huge outcry threatened to sink the entire bill until that was removed), but the state senate just passed a bill that would allow transgendered people to access the bathroom and locker rooms of their choice.

bridget (ad480e) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:55 pm

56. …Yeah! How can society effectively oppress people if they have the capacity to re-categorize themselves?!

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:46 am

Brilliant. If North Carolina re-categorizes itself as the sovereign Duchy of Grand Fenwick then the US government can’t sue it for anything as it has no jurisdiction.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:56 pm

Or if Texas re-categorizes itself as “The Republic of Texas.” As a different version of the same example.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:59 pm

74. …but the state senate just passed a bill that would allow transgendered people to access the bathroom and locker rooms of their choice.

bridget (ad480e) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:55 pm

No doubt they had advance word of the WH intentions on this issue. In the name of all that is tolerant, and inclusive, and in the promotion of safe spaces for all, we can no longer tolerate anyone who doesn’t want to shower with a person of the opposite biological sex. In the name of inclusion we must exclude them. Because even though women who have been sexually assaulted object to these bathroom/locker room laws, they are committing microaggressions against their next potential violators by speaking up and depriving them of a safe space to rape.

See how easy it is? Unpersons don’t count. The special snowflakes have Uber-rights.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:02 pm

Bridget
Thank you for your correction
I must have accessed articles in the middle of the proposed law and thought it had already passed.
Or maybe I am conflating two things
As of now, can a boy who identifies as a girl get on a girls sports team?

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:07 pm

The way to get around the bathroom gender issue is to say bathrooms are sex specific, not gender specific.

Activist claims is that gender is fluid and that sex is the biological aspect.

TheNaBr (0c7c2f) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:09 pm

There was a story recently of a woman at a gym (planet fitness??) who complained of a man in the women’s locker room and was told to put up with it,
Unless that was a false flag story

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:09 pm

‎Steve57: I don’t think they had advanced warning from the White House; rather, I think the Obama Administration is trying to force states to buckle under by making this a fait accompli.

Kaeley Triller, who authored a Federalist article about this, flew to MA to talk about her experiences as a victim of sexual abuse and why this law is a bad idea. It is insane to me – you have this lady whose abuser laughed at her while she showered, who later showered in her underwear out of fear and trauma, talking about feminism and not victim-blaming and… tough crackers, say the progressives.

bridget (ad480e) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:12 pm

MD in Philly:

Boston has a law on the books, I think, but the Commonwealth does not yet. There is a Planet Fitness story out of Michigan, but I think it was the result of a PF policy, not state law.

Good question on the sports teams. I should know… I think the answer is that this bill would allow men on the women’s teams.‎

bridget (ad480e) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:16 pm

76. Or if Texas re-categorizes itself as “The Republic of Texas.” As a different version of the same example.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 1:59 pm

From your lips to Gov. Abbott’s ear.

MD, you really ought to move down to Texas. I’ll loan you a sidearm. Every medical officer in the next Texas revolution needs a decent sidearm.

But if you persist in staying in Philly, be advised Dixie Gun Works is having a sale on these.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/popup_image.php?pID=14020

Was $815, now only $699!

Don’t take this as legal advice, but I believe a 20×20 gauge muzzle loading pistol remains legal even in your jurisdiction. It’s terrifying as h3ll; I pointed mine at my reflection in the mirror and scared the bejebus out of me. And it’s absolutely reliable.

I have never confronted a miscreant with one, but I imagine the reaction to me pointing mine at some guy breaking into my home with a 9 would be about the same as when Crocodile Dundee says, “That’s not a knife. This is a knife.” Then there’s that beautiful double click x2 as you draw the hammers back. It sort of reminds me of the USS Missouri or Iowa. Outdated, perhaps, but with really big guns.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:17 pm

Steve57
Like the John Wayne movie where the one character used a short shot gun with a pistol grip.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:24 pm

I am puzzled that what I thought I was sure that I read about MA is apparently not true.
No time to retrace my mistake now.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:25 pm

Leviticus,
If you ever wondered why some people have a knee jerk reaction to your posts
It is because you sometimes make knee jerk comments.

I don’t believe that Leviticus’s comments on this subject are the least bit knee-jerk, but instead are made with the intent to make people who object to the president issuing such sweeping decrees, blackmailing schools, and using minor children to push his agenda look like fools. His derision is almost palpable. And how sad that is considering that he is a young man and is witnessing the steamrolling of the people by heavy-handed authoritarianism and apparently it does not matter.

We have a president willing to blackmail public school districts to comply with this decree which directly impacts minors. The usury of minors should be something to which we all object. Because you have to admit it’s a gross inconsistency that students have to have written permission to take an aspirin at school but a teenage guy can willy-nilly decide he identifies as a girl, and uses their bathroom, no? By the way, at my high school, the restrooms were a part of the locker room where girls also showered and changed.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:27 pm

i been holding it all day

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/13/2016 @ 10:25 am

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Give it a rest, you’ll go blind.

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:30 pm

bridget @81, I was being facetious about the MA legislature getting advance word, but really not anything else.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:31 pm

So, where does this end? Can I assert a right to live as a black man, and wear blackface all the time, and expect the state to protect me from invidious discrimination, public and private, and to treat any assault or other physical confrontation as a hate crime?

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:04 am
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Depends… do you know any Jolson?

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:33 pm

Do you ever get the feeling that the Obama Administration games out its political strategy as if they’re playing a giant game of “Simon Says”? It would explain a lot.

M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:35 pm

As noted by morning Jolt, there is no definition of how you determine sex.

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Trust me, Sammeh, you’ll know it if/when you’ve had it.

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:36 pm

Doc @84, El Dorado. I had forgotten the name of the movie, too, I just remembered the character you were referring to was played by James Caan so I searched on it really quickly.

Yeah, it’s like that. But it’s different. I’ll avoid the temptation to give you TMI.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:40 pm

If only there were some technology that allowed people to eliminate behind closed, locked doors.

Leviticus (efada1) — 5/13/2016 @ 11:35 am

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Forget it, Leviticus, you live in New Mexico… where it’s illegal to use metal knobs or handles, much less locks, on outbuilding doors…

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:41 pm

89. …Depends… do you know any Jolson?

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:33 pm

Sure. There’s one living in my pants. Says he needs to shower in the girl’s locker room at L.A. Fitness.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:42 pm

These Obama Democrats! They’re always mincing for a fight.

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:44 pm

If I get pulled over for speeding, I will identify as a race-car driver and the roadway will have been identified a racetrack.

mg (31009b) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:46 pm

Jolson, not Johnson, Steve… let’s get something straight… oh… wait.

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:47 pm

Never understood why folks think having firearms makes them more emancipated from Govt Tyranny than not having firearms. Unless you plan to use them on the Govt, they are as useless as a eunuch to a trailer tramp.

Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:49 pm

There are many adult males (18 years) in high schools across the nation. They would be able to use the bathrooms with minor girls. What could go wrong?

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:51 pm

RKS, I believe I’ve mentioned already you argue like a leftist. The important thing about guns is to have them and assert your right to have them for whatever use you see fit.

If you wait until you decide you need to fight the gub’mint, it’s already too late to go shopping.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:54 pm

“… It is insane to me – you have this lady whose abuser laughed at her while she showered, who later showered in her underwear out of fear and trauma, talking about feminism and not victim-blaming and… tough crackers, say the progressives.”

bridget (ad480e) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:12 pm
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She doesn’t know how fortunate she was. Most of the yohans I know who hale from Massachusetts would’ve used that underwear to make soup.

Colonel Haiku (d9e504) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:55 pm

Johnny Cash sings a transphobic hate crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/13/2016 @ 3:21 pm

Since everything is about Trump.
The bottom line is that this is not a reason to vote for Trump.
For one thing, he’s more likely to agree with the SCOAMF even if he lies and says he is not.
But the more important thing is that it’s not an important national issue.
We have much more bigger fish to fry at the national level.
Very much bigger.
Much very much bigger.
This is a dangerous distraction.

Deal with it at your local level.
With your school board, local school council, mayor, alderman, state representative, governor.
Or send your kid to a private school.
Or homeschool her.

nk (9faaca) — 5/13/2016 @ 3:37 pm

98. Being forced to depend completely on the government to keep from being randomly robbed or murdered when we know full well law enforcement can’t be everywhere at once is arguably tyranny as well.

M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3) — 5/13/2016 @ 4:02 pm

According to some highly educated and paid buffoons, Dan Patrick compared 0bama to Judas. Of course he did no such thing. I make no pretense at being a Christian, nor have I even read the New Testament in any organized way, but I know enough to spot the error immediately. As eny fule kno, Judas didn’t offer anyone any money; he was the one who accepted the payment in question. Patrick was comparing 0bama to the priests who paid Judas, and Texas to a better Judas who turned them down.

Milhouse (87c499) — 5/13/2016 @ 4:56 pm

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 2:27 pm

I think you are missing Leviticus’s point: in a truly free country, individuals decide who and what they are.

You are focused mostly on the social aspect of boys are boys, girls are girls, etc. I would urge you to concentrate your fire on the Constitutional aspect. Fedgov has no business being involved in this, period: it is for the local community to figure it out. If on 21 January 2017 President Trump were to mandate that boys only go to male restrooms it would still be a abuse of power.

kishnevi (28fa9f) — 5/13/2016 @ 4:59 pm

105
Perhaps Dan Patrick reads Ann Barnhardt
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2015/07/16/jesus-christ-economist-with-handy-visual-aids-and-a-video-appendix/

kishnevi (9cb6b5) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:03 pm

poopers harvardtrash lifeydoodles i think

ima make a stupid pop culture reference i think

failmerica peestank harvardtrash

im so clever

Scooby and scrappyfeet (3274d3) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:13 pm

kishnevi makes good points. I shouldn’t have been as flippant as I was with my initial comments. I definitely do not like the idea of the Executive legislating through executive orders, much less “sweeping directives,” and that aspect of this story does bother me. Protecting civil rights is one thing; mandating one-size-fits-all rules is another thing.

At the same time, I think there is an undue measure of fear-mongering around this issue. There’s a balance to be struck here – one that accounts for the unfairness inherent to either extreme. Imagine being the transgender girl who has to use the boy’s restroom under the current policies, and think about the risk of abuse in that situation, and tell me there isn’t a third way available.

Leviticus (cf50ec) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:25 pm

The bottom line is that this is not a reason to vote for Trump.

my feeling is we should all vote for Mr. Trump anyway irrespective of this reason

the pee-stank apocalypse is nigh

happyfeet (831175) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:36 pm

kishnevi,

Of course it is true that this is not the business of the federal government, but unfortunately, our president doesn’t feel this way.

But likewise, kishnevi, I would urge you to consider the ramifications of such a decision. Minor children are being used a tools to further an agenda that is ultimately an assault on the foundational beliefs of our society. To ignore this, or to brush it away is to be foolish and not look at the long term impact. Just because one person accuses objectors to this as fear-mongerers doesn’t mean that it is so. It actually might be a reasonable response to what is happening. You say “in a truly free country, individuals decide who and what they are,” and ultimately, I agree with that. However, that does not mean that the public has to agree with nor recognize that individual’s decision. To force one to buy into it would be to deny an individual the right to make the decision for themselves.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:38 pm

yes, it’s a constitutional overreach, but at the center of it, is catering to a microfraction of mal adjusted sad souls, who need to be a clue wholesale,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:38 pm

One of the easiest and obvious solutions is for the student in question to use the restroom in the nurse’s office. It respects both those who believe this decree is a violation of their privacy and overreach of the federal government, as well as giving privacy to the student in question and protecting their right to go to the bathroom without offending or being offended.

Of course, this solution would be rejected by those who support the president’s decree and want to see this become law because it’s not toilet access they really want. It’s just the engine to the end goal.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:41 pm

a tranny saw my penis i know i know

it’s serious

happyfeet (831175) — 5/13/2016 @ 6:07 pm

mommy

why does everybody have a bomb

happyfeet (831175) — 5/13/2016 @ 6:13 pm

Imagine being the transgender girl who has to use the boy’s restroom under the current policies, and think about the risk of abuse in that situation, and tell me there isn’t a third way available.

Leviticus (cf50ec) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:25 pm

Imagine the Transgender “girl” asking you out on a date. How bigoted of you to say no and not make out with xer.

njrob (45945e) — 5/13/2016 @ 6:42 pm

All of this gender-ID insanity reminds me of a recent editorial cartoon that ran in the Augusta (Ga.) Chronicle. It showed a man in drag applying some deodorant. The caption read: “Strong enough for a woman who identifies as a man, but made for a man who identifies as a woman.”

Deuce Frehley (73c323) — 5/13/2016 @ 7:26 pm

All the insanity, now the gender insanity, is part of a larger scheme, and that is to rid the public space of morality and use incentives and disincentives to elicit proper behavior — all as promulgated by the state and its powerful agents, of course.

We humans have tried this before and we’ve failed. The new order of the French Revolution was, of course, explicitly based on the cult of Reason, the religion of man. Communism similarly crushed religion to become godlike. Even Enlightenment individualism, taken to the limits were have today, where you can choose your own gender, creates chaos, can be tempered only by religious belief.

I think that’s one reason why the Founding Fathers said we could only survive by being a moral and religious people. Once you remove the higher power as the source of order, the state takes over.

Patricia (5fc097) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:25 pm

You’ve hit the nail on the head, Patricia. Well said. And good to see you.

Dana (0ee61a) — 5/13/2016 @ 8:52 pm

Now don’t be flashing no trannies, happyfeet! Wouldn’t be prudent.

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/13/2016 @ 9:08 pm

Leviticus,
I expect most of us here are very concerned about the well being of the individual child and family dealing with such a situation.
In fact, I think most of us are actually much more concerned with the well being of the individual child and others involved than most of the people making a fuss and trying to impose this point of view. Many people are more concerned with an issue that the people involved.

Prior to this recent movement over transgender rights, there have been doctors and others working with these people for years. They have found that 70-80% of the time the situation resolves itself after a period of benign neglect. Now you have people that want to imprint a psychopathology permanently on a child instead of letting the issue resolve itself.

Yes, the federal government imposing its will is a very serious issue,
But a society that thinks the way to handle less than 1% of people with a profound psychological issue is to make the rest of society fall into line with the approved groupthink fantasy is a society gone off of the deep end, whether they want that imposition coming at the federal, state, or local level.

I think it is wrong that some Muslim countries make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, whether they do so at a national, regional, or local level.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/14/2016 @ 5:09 am

I would say, emphatically ….
Actually, I will say emphatically ….
I say, emphatically, that our interest in those children is infinitely more benign than the interest of the proponents of these policies. They’re grooming new crops of victims.

nk (9faaca) — 5/14/2016 @ 5:36 am

109. …I think there is an undue measure of fear-mongering around this issue. There’s a balance to be struck here…

Leviticus (cf50ec) — 5/13/2016 @ 5:25 pm

Fear mongering? There is a safety issue involved here. I’m not saying “trans” people, whatever the h3ll that means, are predators. I am saying that sexual predators are the kind of people (horrors, shudder, clutch pearls) aren’t prone to honesty. Give them a loophole and they’ll drive a truck through it. “What, I canz uze the girlz bathroom at Target?” How do you think they’re going to use it? It is insane not to acknowledge it.

As for the rest I agree that there’s a balance to be struck. But it isn’t me obstructing it. It’s the LGBT absolutists who insist that everyone genuflect in their direction.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:16 am

Happyfeet used to loathe trannies when their mere existence threatened his BS narrative du jour. now the icky transtesticled gender benders are useful for him to call people haters and happy hearts them again.

JD (ceff4c) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:25 am

Leviticus – ask an 8 year old girl if she wants people with cranks sharing the bathroom with her.

JD (ceff4c) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:27 am

121. …But a society that thinks the way to handle less than 1% of people with a profound psychological issue is to make the rest of society fall into line with the approved groupthink fantasy is a society gone off of the deep end, whether they want that imposition coming at the federal, state, or local level.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/14/2016 @ 5:09 am

Hear, hear. What I am demanding, and not in any pipsqueaking voice, is to call it like I see it.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:28 am

People don’t fear the Bruce Jenners or RuPauls of the world.
Whom they actually fear is a cynical heterosexual predator taking advantage of these rules so they can have easy access to women’s public restrooms under the premise of “I identify as a woman.”

Sorry, but the 8 year old girl in the next stall “identifies” “you” “as a man.”

Can you imagine the fraternity boy pranks that will take place?

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:32 am

that’s such a misnomer Mr. JD I still hate trannies I just can’t get excited about predatory bathroom tranny menace

happyfeet (831175) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:36 am

oh, Ok, happyfascist. what you can or can’t get excited about is dispositive. In your world.

On the other hand I’ve actually called the cops on pervs who camped out in the girls changing room when they were taking upskirt photos of the girls changing next to them.

Sorry if anyone is upset I didn’t step in sooner. I compromised myself. I was working for a Dayton-Hudson corporation. Target. I’ve learned my lesson.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:01 am

I wasn’t working at a Target. I just threw that out there as an example of a Dayton-Hudson corporation.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:03 am

Leviticus – ask an 8 year old girl if she wants people with cranks sharing the bathroom with her.

Actually I’m gonna say don’t do that

Patterico (46eeea) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:14 am

my tranny target on peterson has the most disgusting starbucks i ever been to my whole life

at the bar where you add the splenda everything is always empty and one time there were just two splenda packets left and i tried to grab em but they were stuck to the bottom of the thingy

this is unacceptable

happyfeet (831175) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:15 am

Someone might take it the wrong way

Patterico (46eeea) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:18 am

Mr happyfeet,

Sometimes you pretend to not know what the opposing argument is.
Nobody’s accusing “trannies” of being predators. We’re accusing hetero men who will pretend to identify as a “woman” so they can have easy access to the women’s restrooms.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:18 am

I have some friends who have issues with their gender identity, so I’m sympathetic. However, this issue could be handled by people with common sense instead of the heavy-handed mandate approach of Charlotte and Obama administration.

The reality is that this nonsense is insane left wing virtue signaling. Indeed, the small number of people supposedly being benefitted only makes the virtue seem tastier.

SPQR (e36e01) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:21 am

you have a very dim view of men

happyfeet (831175) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:21 am

happyfeet, if I wanted an incoherent opinion, there is a schizophrenic begging on the nearby corner outside this donut shop that I would have asked.

SPQR (e36e01) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:32 am

@134, slow down pilgrim, you’re riding too fast. How do you know none of those rapists actually identified as hetero trans? They could have been lesbian trans, and same sex rape isn’t exactly unknown.

My head hurts, trying to keep track of all this when really I’d rather be doing something else.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:32 am

I hear that bit of misdirection everywhere – that transvestites were already discreeting using the women’s facilities.

This is not a problem and it was never a problem and doesn’t need a solution.

Removing any right to confront and/or remove the now invited creepers, peepers and predators who use access laws as a shield is the issue.

SarahW (67599f) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:33 am

i was talking to CS

donuts are a sometimes food btw

happyfeet (831175) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:33 am

discreeting – discreetly

SarahW (67599f) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:33 am

135. I have some friends who have issues with their gender identity, so I’m sympathetic.

SPQR (e36e01) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:21 am

The closest, the absolute closest, I’ve come to a friend with gender identity issues, again the absolute closest, was a vegetarian fighter pilot.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:37 am

“People with cranks,” if they were using the girl’s bathroom, would be in a stall like everyone else. Problem solved.

carlitos (902498) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:38 am

We used to rib him that the squadron was routinely strafing the caribou herds or Canada and Alaska. Just Because.

Which Ironically became our nickname for the invasion of Panama. Just ~~Cause~~ Because.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:43 am

Steve57, a vegetarian fighter pilot.

That is so wrong.

SPQR (e36e01) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:48 am

This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation

The left always needs a prototypical victim — somewhere, someway, somehow — to shed tears for. Now that racial and ethnic minorities are old news, a new minority group has to be dredged up to ping the consciousness of liberals.

It’s not too different from the way the left, after decades of environmentalism and truly legitimate forms of pollution already being dealt with, turns to an innocuous gas, CO2, to ping the consciousness of people who wear on their foreheads the label of “I’m a heartfelt, caring, wonderful, beautiful soul.”

All this idiocy about the need for unisex bathrooms and locker rooms occurs on the heels (stilettos?) of the former Bruce Jenner reportedly having doubts about his/her transformation, and members within the US military (already Nidal-Hasan-ized), in order to express solidarity with women’s rights over the past few years, having male recruits demonstrate on college campuses by walking around in high-heel shoes.

There are ongoing reports of various school districts in the US starting to frown upon teachers referring to their male and female students as “boys and girls.”

The lunacy of political correctness will not end well.

Mark (c7fa43) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:49 am

here is a picture of a trannybama

happyfeet (831175) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:50 am

145. Steve57, a vegetarian fighter pilot.

That is so wrong.

SPQR (e36e01) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:48 am

Totally. Which is why we used to play with the gun camera recordings to f**k with his mind.

Strafing the caribou.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 9:58 am

Grey whales. That was another big deal of the vegetarian fighter pilot. But the squadron didn’t encounter them as often during training. Otherwise we would have screwed with his head about grey whales, too.

Steve57 (eca648) — 5/14/2016 @ 10:07 am

ISIS is setting people on fire, Iran is developing a nuke, North Korea is testing nukes, China is seizing islands in international waters, the American economy stinks, yet the left wingers want to spend all day asserting the virtues of allowing men into women’s public restrooms.
Not to sound too cynical about it, but I’m surprised that the lefties haven’t considered that Muslim societies segregate women from men. Aren’t lefties concerned that allowing men into the women’s rooms will be perceived as un-Islamic? It seems like with every other issue, they’re always so careful not to upset or offend any Muslim anywhere.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/14/2016 @ 10:21 am

Nobody’s accusing “trannies” of being predators.

Then I will. There was one guy who would hang around my high school in a mini-dress and blonde wig. He could pass for a woman, and a lot of my classmates thought he was one until other students put them wise. Another (maybe the same guy) would do the same thing at the neighborhood movie-house. And there have been news stories of lesbians masquerading as teenage boys and dating high school girls who were arrested and prosecuted for doing it.

nk (9faaca) — 5/14/2016 @ 11:58 am

“With a new Cold War in the offing, a possible indictment hanging over the Democratic front runner, the European Union poised to break apart, and the middle class disappearing not just in the US, but in Germany, the Obama administration has adopted what Seth Cropsey calls “the Alfred E. Neuman defense policy” and concentrated on launching a toilet revolution overturning rules for using the bathroom. For absurdity it rivals the droll story told in The Atlantic about the Venezuelan businessman who in the middle of the economic collapse tries to comply with “an obscure clause … requiring the factory’s restrooms to be stocked with toilet paper at all times” only to find himself raided by the secret police for buying black market lavatory paper claiming they had busted a major hoarding operation, “part of a U.S.-backed ‘economic war’ the Maduro government holds responsible for creating Venezuela’s shortages in the first place”.

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/05/13/its-inclusive/

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:44 pm

quelle surprise,

http://theothermccain.com/2016/05/14/australian-gay-marriage-crusader-was-fugitive-wanted-on-kiddie-porn-charge/

narciso (732bc0) — 5/14/2016 @ 8:48 pm

Wapo agrees with me for once:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/05/13/the-obama-administrations-bureau-of-bathroom-management/

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/15/2016 @ 2:21 pm