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5/12/2016

Trump: Muslim Ban Was “Just a Suggestion”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:37 am



Donald J. Trump press release, December 7, 2015:

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

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It now turns out that was “just a suggestion.”

We have a serious problem, and it’s a temporary ban — it hasn’t been called for yet, nobody’s done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on.

It will be awesome when we find out that the wall was “just a suggestion” as well.

People say he’ll never back off of that pledge because his supporters would revolt.

Nope. They will still support him.

103 Responses to “Trump: Muslim Ban Was “Just a Suggestion””

  1. This is part of the charm offensive on Paul Ryan.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Cult of personality. It’s going to make Patrick’s fake DPRK news feed look real.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  3. In the future, all politicians will have a degree in RTF. this will complete the conversion with the media.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  4. Gahhhh! I meant convergence
    !

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  5. Trump could come out against football and they’d still support him. He could announce he was gay and they’d still support him. He could choose Pelosi as his running mate and they’d still support him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  6. Cuz he’d be the first to lie.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  7. yes yes just a suggestion

    we gotta be careful about this muslims and suggesting a total ban is a-ok

    he has lots of suggestions, especially from his goldy sack soros men

    its okay to go back on his word anyway

    as long as pee-stank doesn’t take the cake

    and we get that melana-pup

    it’ll be great

    yes yes

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  8. meh

    meanwhile pee-stank is selling out america’s national security for profit

    Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

    i know which one i trust to defend america (it’s Mr. Trump)

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  9. Sure, RKS, but all the other ones who lied to us at least looked like Presidents. I mean you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel, here, with a couple of characters from a Martin Scorsese movie, with Tiny Donnie and Melania.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Let me be the first to say I don’t think Trump legislatively will accomplish anything of note. He is a boorish ass.

    Let me also be the first to say he has a very very good shot at changing our Culture and making it cool to be “Conservative.” At minimum cool to speak the truth even if upsets the snowflakes.

    Win the culture war, win the vote. Or something like what Mark Steyn says.

    So, I am playing the long game here or whatever Kaynes did not say. Trump 2016.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  11. It keeps coming back to this:

    Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.”

    He paused for a few moments, as though to allow what he had been saying to sink in.

    “Do you remember,” he went on, “writing in your diary, ‘Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four’?”

    “Yes,” said Winston.

    O’Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

    “How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. #9 I could scrape any lower than Obama. The Left is evil. Trump is not a leftist. Cafone 2016!!!!

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  13. .. I could not scrape any lower than Obama ….. (* well we could but now we are talking Bernie *)

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  14. Cafone 2016!
    .
    .
    .
    Cuz we need an asshole to run the lunatic asylum!

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  15. How long until “make America great again” is tossed under the bus?

    I really hope that people get tired of this flim-flam before the convention.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  16. #15 No one is tossing Trump before the Convention other than Trump himself dropping out.

    Like the stages of death here with folks.

    Cafone 2016!

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  17. At minimum cool to speak the truth even if upsets the snowflakes.

    He admittedly is the only public figure in the public arena right now who acknowledges the phrase “political correctness” or “politically correct.” He said in one interview he can play that game as well as anyone else, which is what he did when he tried to play nice-nice with London’s new Islamic-leftist mayor the other day and, hilariously enough, got burned in the process.

    I wish staunch conservatives like Ted Cruz would start expressing a greater awareness of that dynamic, because the debacle of 21st-century America is as much due to the socio-cultural as it’s due to the governmental-political.

    Mark (a3bba5)

  18. You people who know these things can comment,
    my understanding that it is nigh unto logistically impossible to register new party candidates in many or most states at this time,
    but the convention is still for trump to totally destroy himself and be replaced, yes??
    by anybody?
    because the R’s already have their foot in the door of the state election boards, even if the name in front of the R is not there yet?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  19. During the primary fight, the Branch Trumpidians were prospects; now they are clients.

    jb (9badd6)

  20. 2. Cult of personality. It’s going to make Patrick’s fake DPRK news feed look real.

    SPQR (a3a747) — 5/12/2016 @ 7:48 am

    These Trumpkins are something else. Anthropologists should study them.

    So should psychiatrists.

    They trust Trump implicitly. But he’s on trial for fraud and violating the RICO act. And the people who he defrauded talk, they say exactly the same thing the Trumpkin voters are now saying. Trump is a great builder and real estate mogul. He’s successful. He’s gotta know what he’s doing. They want to be a part of whatever he’s doing.

    So they bought into his “Trump Tower” condos and his “Trump Resorts” (I’m including these people in the group he defrauded as at his Baja “Trump Resort” at least they sued the DTs for fraud and the DTs settled; I believe the DTs settled a suit at Tampa as well, and there may be more) and they
    wanted to enroll into the DTs “Trump University” because the DTs promised he could make anyone successful in real estate.

    And it was all BS. None of that stuff was his. He just put his name on it and participated in mulitmillion dollar ad campaigns lying to people that these were actually his developments and it was actually his “University” where he was intimately involved in developing the curriculum and all the instructors were hand picked by him.

    None of it was true. As a matter of fact, when he was named as a defendant in the SoCal Trump “University” RICO/fraud class action suits he objected that he couldn’t be sued as he wasn’t actually involved in “Trump University” in any way.

    I’m scratching my head, legal Beagles. Help me out. What kind of defense is this? Because that was the heart of the lawsuit against him. He had participated in a $6M dollar ad campaign to convince everyone otherwise. And Trump just admitted to the fact it was all a lie, and somehow the fact none of it was true should have shielded him from liability.

    Anyways, Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel laughed that out of court.

    What was the basis of Trump’s next motion to dismiss? That the plaintiffs should have known he was defrauding them by October 2009 and therefore it’s their own damned fault and the statute of limitations had run out.

    As a motion to dismiss, Judge Curiel laughed that out of court. The Judge ruled that Trump may well prevail and prove the plaintiffs knew or should have known that the DTs had devised a scheme to defraud them via mail and wire by October 2009 but that remained to be proved and in any event wouldn’t settle all the common issues in the suit.

    This is the guy the Trumpkins are trusting to build a wall. The guy who conned people out of their lifesavings trusting that he’d build a condo or a resort. Those things never got built (Trump has a long history of promising to build things and not building them). Hence the lawsuits, some at least
    successful. If he won’t do what he says for millions of dollars, what are the odds he’s going to do anything for worthless votes which he can’t deposit in his bank account?

    Oh, and that Gonzalo Curiel is the judge Trump slandered on Fox a while back, claiming that since the gentleman is Hispanic he refused to dismiss the lawsuits apparently because of ethnic pride. Trump claimed that since he’s so tough on the border the Hispanic judge denied him his rightful justice.

    More lies. When the DTs was trying to get these lawsuits dismissed he wasn’t “tough” on the border. He was in the media saying that Mittens lost the 2012 election because Mittens was “maniacal” and “mean-spirited” about deporting people. He was saying that he didn’t really know what the Dem immigration plan was (I believe that; you’d have to be brain-dead not to know what the Dems planned to do and The Donald “nuclear triad” Trump fits the description) but he believed their hearts at least were in the right place.

    It’s a matter of record; anyone can check these facts. But would the Trumpkins?

    No, never. Their standard for calling someone a liar is if that someone says something that doesn’t conflicts with what their precious is saying. Like all his previous fraud victims they trust his promises. Their precious, the admitted fraudster. I’m going with that because he has
    settled fraud lawsuits brought against him.

    It’s unbelievable to me. They’re going down the same garden path, falling for the same sales pitch, as all the thousands of people Trump has ripped of in the past. It is a cult of personality. So, yeah, the guy who knows his Trumpkins will stay loyal if he commits murder in broad daylight knows they’ll stay loyal if he doesn’t build the wall.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  21. * Their standard for calling someone a liar is if that someone says something that doesn’t conflicts with what their precious is saying.

    * Editing error.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  22. Steve, part of Trump’s attraction is that he is a boldfaced brass gonad liar. Alpha male trait.

    The others are sneaky shamefaced gutless liars who try to avoid getting caught. Beta make trait.

    They want the alpha male.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  23. Beta *male* trait.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  24. 6. Cuz he’d be the first to lie.

    Rodney King’s Spirit (e2dd8e) — 5/12/2016 @ 8:07 am

    Can you name another candidate who ran for President while be sued for fraud and RICO act violations? Can you name another candidate who has settled various fraud lawsuits brought against him?

    This is beyond lying. But this is exactly the kind of false moral equivalence
    I expect from a leftist. Which Trump is, and as the mask slips and he returns
    true to form as the crooked influence-buying NY establishment liberal he has
    been his whole life I expect you to follow right along and become one.

    And don’t sell him short; he could accomplish a lot, what with his warm, long friendships with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Who just may be House Speaker and Senate Majority leader.

    Unlike the victims of his Trump Towers, Trump Resorts, and Trump University
    scams you won’t be able to sue him. Suckers.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  25. kishnevi, I never knew so many people liked having someone lie to them right in their face. I never knew there was so much money in it. I may have to revise my business plan.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  26. “I may have to revise my business plan.”

    One word, Steve57: Advertising.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  27. Has it occurred to you #Trump Supporters that you’ve been Scammed?

    Torcer (654698)

  28. “BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON GOT AT LEAST $100 MILLION FROM MIDDLE EAST SHEIKS: The Clintons have done something that has never before been done by any U.S. political figures – Using speaking fees, business partnerships, foundation grants and who knows what else made possible by public service to make themselves fabulously wealthy, without apparent regard for who suffered the consequences.”

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  29. So basically, we should all be preparing for civil war.

    (This is the poster previously known as luagha. Minor name change. )

    Ingot (9fd5d5)

  30. why the suggestion resonates,

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/911-commission-saudi-arabia-hijackers

    I figure scowcroft and baker, had a lot to do with the decision making, that procluded disclosure initially,

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. These Trumpkins are something else. Anthropologists should study them.

    So should psychiatrists.

    Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 8:47 am

    I’m having for the second day a Twitter back-and-forth with a dude (with a crucified Christ avatar) who got on my case for cyber-smacking Herman Cain upside his shiny head for saying “Get your egos out of the way” and unite for Trump. He’s comparing Cruz to Satan for calling himself a Christian and “lying” to the “ordained” government about his “poison pill” legislation.

    I replied that Trump called himself “A GREAT Christian!” before going into his theatrical performance of calling Ben Carson an incurable, pathological person the equivalent of a child molester, and he was giving Trump a pass for being insincere about his professed Christianity. He said that Trump was a Christian, but that saying he was a “great” one was — and I’m NOT making this up — “an exaggeration phrase.”

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  32. Ted Cruz on political correctness Mark.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. The beauty of a cult of personality is that it sheds itself of the bonds of ideology and, ultimately, fact. Does it really matter if we are fighting against Eurasia or Eastasia? What matters is that we are for Oceania.

    The earliest Americans were cultists, too. Little has changed.

    The only real question is what will happen first: Caitlyn’s transition back to Bruce or Shorty’s transition back to liberalism?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  34. Well, I am just shocked and stunned by this turn of events.
    Yes, shocked and stunned.
    And surprised.
    And saddened.

    Yep, shocked, stunned, surprised and saddened.

    But unlike many, I haven’t been suckered.

    Evan3457 (79ccc1)

  35. Please no more ‘feets.

    I can only take so much Tourette Syndrome.

    Steve Malynn (1d7837)

  36. Shouldn’t we be seeing a wave of Trumpsters coming in to tell us what a brilliant move this is and how he’s just setting up the awesomest of all awesome deals?

    M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3)

  37. You know how it is, one man’s blood oath is another man’s metaphor.

    Just in this case they’re the same man.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  38. pragmatism. (jpg)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  39. sadfeet is happyfeet’s opposite. More sadfeet, please.

    DRJ (15874d)

  40. sadfeet is kind of a pooper i think

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  41. This reminds of how Bill Clinton–once safely elected in November 1992–reneged on his middle class tax cut promise even before being sworn in, claiming that “new information” had forced him to. Problem was–he cited information that was available in August 1992. Translation: he lied. Trump is following a path well blazed by his opponents decades ago.

    M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3)

  42. Just remember Cruz isn’t a man of his word unless he lets Trump insult his wife and still endoeses him.

    But who cares if the precious doesn’mean a thing he says. He made TEN BILLION DOLLARS!

    Steve57 (bb7262)

  43. Scott at #41:

    Bingo. Only I think he’s saving that ploy for “The Wall” if he actually gets elected, which is quite possible.

    Evan3457 (79ccc1)

  44. Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/12/2016 @ 12:07 pm

    LOL! Thanks, man, that was great.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  45. #24 Steve …. I have the pleasure of owning a middle market company and I can’t remember a time I did not get litigator bills coming in for one thing or another. Trump getting sued? LOL, that means he is in business. We live in a sad world and I find the fact he is getting sued as a badge of honor.

    And in terms of a candidate so brazenly flip floppish, no, Can’t remember. More reason to admire him for getting away with it. I can appreciate a good pathological liar like Obama, Nixon, Clinton et al from a purely clinical way.

    As I said, the dude is a CAFONE 2016, but he just might be able to undo PC. And that alone is worth my support.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  46. I support Cafone 2016! b/c I think he will shame, insult, berate and humiliate the PC Crowd. That will, over time, help the Conservative cause. Face it Conservatives speak truth but no gives a shit cuz it don’t “feel good.” Cafone 2016! lays them bare for the world to see as phoney liars also.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  47. Vote Cafone 2016! Not Cabrona!

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  48. sadfeet is kind of a pooper i think
    sadfeet is a spot-on parody of someone who desperately wants to be seen as an edgy provocateur.

    Scooby and scrappyfeet (f80a28)

  49. yeah not

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  50. “#24 Steve …. I have the pleasure of owning a middle market company and I can’t remember a time I did not get litigator bills coming in for one thing or another. Trump getting sued? LOL, that means he is in business.”

    As a fellow business owner, I can attest to this; It seems the more successful you are, the bigger a target for litigation you become. However, I differ on the badge of honor sentiment – I see it as an occupation hazard. But I understand from where RKS is coming.

    However, a lawsuit in the restaurant business is seen, even by others in the same business, as damning evidence of some kind of failure. Never being sued is the badge of honor, there.

    felipe (325ff3)

  51. Scooby and scrappyfeet (f80a28) — 5/12/2016 @ 12:55 pm

    Heh, I see an idea whose time has come. Let the grand parody continue.

    felipe (325ff3)

  52. sadfeet is kind of a pooper i think

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/12/2016 @ 12:12 pm

    no no

    we need some unity i think

    yes yes a feets unity

    fight for the right goldy sacks man!

    fight for battering women!

    fight for borish authoritarianism over pee-stank!

    yes yes it will be great

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  53. goldy sacky peestank harvardtrash what make mr the donald failmerica i think

    meghans coward daddy harvardtrash foodstamp peestank i think

    advantage mr the donald i think

    Scooby and scrappyfeet (f80a28)

  54. 😐

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  55. Ah, c’mon, Mr. Feet. Don’t be a pooper.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  56. I’m being crushed by too many feets. I feel like a grape.

    Steve Malynn (1d7837)

  57. Wow, RKS! Thanks for telling me something I didn’t know. I own a business too. And while I might someday get sued I have know idea what I’d have to do to catch a RICO/fraud case. But Trump does.

    Again, thanks for demonstrating that false moral equivalence that is the special province of leftists.

    Steve57 (bb7262)

  58. Who ever topped happy’ pee stank with poo stank….is brilliant.

    Poo stank loses, doesn’t it?

    Danube River Guide (76b104)

  59. Trumo, dump–poo stank. That seals it.

    Danube River Guide (76b104)

  60. You really do argue like a liberal, RKS.

    Successfully sued for fraud = not the first candidate to lie.

    A superior court judge finds that Donald Trump did in fact commit the predicate acts to support the allegation that he committed RICO act violations = all businessmen get sued

    What’s next, RKS? It’s uncommon but not unheard of for defendants who testify in civil cases to get charged with perjury. How are you going to downplay that? Maybe say, “all politicians try to spin the facts?”

    Steve57 (eca648)

  61. Earlier today, the Trump administration released a statement on the South Border Wall. This statement comes after President Trump mysteriously ordered a complete halt of work twelve hours ago.

    “Here’s the issue: After going out and personally inspecting the wall, and talk to the workers, I found out that the border with Mexico is actually much longer than my advisers thought. I hire the best advisers, the best, but all advisers makes mistakes, no matter how good they are. Because Congress didn’t set aside enough money for the wall, we’re going to have to use it as-is.”

    “I want to remind everybody that I never wanted to build a wall. When I talked about a wall on the campaign trail, I was speaking of a metaphorical wall – a wall of peace. I was against a border wall from the beginning. I said, it’ll cost too much. It won’t prevent people from climbing over it. But DC was all for it, and I was trying to help them out.”

    “To compensate for my adviser’s oversight, I’m increasing everyone’s chocolate ration from nine to ten grams!”

    Aut (69bead)

  62. Trump in 2018: “We have reached an agreement with Mexico to postpone discussions on the building of the wall. I am not giving up on this, but there is something more important right now. Mexico has agreed to…”

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  63. 41. M. Scott Eiland (3a0fd3) — 5/12/2016 @ 12:13 pm

    This reminds of how Bill Clinton–once safely elected in November 1992–reneged on his middle class tax cut promise even before being sworn in, claiming that “new information” had forced him to. Problem was–he cited information that was available in August 1992. Translation: he lied.

    Clinton had had his plan endorsed by Goldman Sachs. They go back a long time.

    Shortly after he was elected Clinton attwmpted to pull all investigations into himself into one hand, and was looking for alawyer whom he could trust, he picked – or Janet Reno picked – but that’s the same thing – Clinton made it really look like she was a last minute choice and was therefore independent of him, which also had the effect of discouraging the Senate from taking too much care in her confoirmation – anyway, she named as special prosecutor who wasn’t really a special prosecutor, Robert B. Fiske Jr – the man who had protected Goldman Sachs from Giuliani’s investigations into insidere tradinbg. Giuliani had two main targets in the 1980s – one was Michael Milken, and the other was Goldman Sachs and in particular Robert E. Rubin, whom at first he did not dare to subject to Senate confirmation. Robert freeman was the person who would lead to Rubin – in the end when Giuliani left the U.S. Attorney’s office to run for mayor the first time in 1989.

    I think what happened, Fiske created a fictitious example of insider trading which led nowehere that Freeman could plead guilty to. And complained about the leak, too. This comes from reading between the lines of “Den of Thieves.”

    Fiske was the perfect person to have control of all investigations into matters Clinton. Anyway, Clinton and Reno had intended that the 3 federal judges charged with appointinmg a special prosecutor confirm the appointment when she called for a real special special prosecutor in 1994, but they named Kenneth Starr instead. Fiske still was able to issue a report about the Vincent Foster death.

    About the economy, Clinton came up with a substitute plan that involved raising taxes and arranged matetrs so that it passed by one vote in both the House and the Senate. Of course raising taxes did minimal damage to the economy – but it didn’t help, of course. He intended to make the republican Party look partisan but the public correctly interpreted what happened.

    Bill Clinron knows what helps the economy – monetary policy – but Bill and Hillary Clinton don’ argue taht – they want Republicans to be wrong.
    waa looking for alwyer whoim he co

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  64. Don’t let these poopers get to you, hap. You’ve got a fan-base here, and I’m part of it.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  65. Fair enough, ThOR.

    But you have to clean up after him, and feed and water him. He isn’t potty trained. He is potty mouthed!

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  66. Yesterday, reading hap’s “Rubio isn’t even a trivia question” comment in slot #3 left me thinking: What could I possibly add to that? I did add, but my blah-blah-blah didn’t come close to hap’s simple, six-word declarative.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  67. thank you Mr. ThOR

    happyfeet (831175)

  68. Steve57,

    You are being an ass. So he is being sued? Who cares. People with businesses that big are all being sued ALLLLLLLLLLLL the time. Anyone killing Bill Gates for his Anti-Trust lawsuit? Bill is (D) so he is a great guy with his Foundation. Again, point is being sued and being a big corporation go hand in hand. You also lose lots too cuz Jury’s will pimp themselves out for a feel good judgement. Yet even at times when the Govt “gets you” many times things get tossed out also in appeals. As may I add has happened lots in the NY Courts b/c the Prosecutors are lying scumbags and the Cops to boot.

    Also, I never wrote “Successfully sued for fraud = not the first candidate to lie” — you made that up all by yourself. I don’t see what one thing has to do with the other but you tried to assign it to me. I will clarify however … the fact Trump lies about his positions and then flip flops is not an unusual characteristic of politicians. If in Trump’s case it bothers you more than in sayyyy Cruz’s then so be it. I am no one’s fan boy ready to lick privates for pleasure. Some folks here are.

    With respect to getting in a tizzy over lying in Court versus lying in Life and then ascribing some superior moral weight to the Courts …frankly FUCK THE COURTS. The biggest liars and scum bags are lawyers and they run that shit hole. Lying to a liar called Judge … no worse than lying to your wife about the porn under the bed. That they (Lawyers) have guns to take away your freedom is just a different remedy disgusting lawyers have that poor angry wives don’t. Lying is lying but somehow when Lawyers lie (which is often) they somehow get the Courts to protect them and other Lawyers jump to their defense. That is how scum bag Lawyer Harry Reid could smear Romney about taxes and walk away. Just scum bag lawyers so fact is Court is about what you can prove, even if the proof is a lie itself.

    So, once again, ask me how much I give a shit the AG of New York (a partisan hack who lies) has a hard on for Trump? I can wipe my ass with what “lawyers” say about other people. They are the worst crap on the Planet if only because they think themselves noble when all they are, are $400 per hour or more whores. Which is fine, but own it.

    And last I checked legal eagle lying whores have been POTUS lots more than Businessmen. Maybe that is why we took this pretty cool Constitution thing and turned into the crapper we have today. Lawyers lying on top of lies to use lies to get what they want.

    So Trump lies, whatever.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  69. Let me also give an example of Liars lying….. Ted Cruz IMHO has had sex with women/men other than his wife since his marriage. Can’t prove it but in spite of his denials you can easily parse his statements to find the wiggle room. He never actually states “I never had sexual relations with another human being”

    He said he has been faithful …. ok, what does that mean? Like he never fell in love with a good ol whore?

    He said the allegations where garbage … ok what does that mean? Like them saying you have 5 lovers is pure garbage but in reality you only take one at a time … so not true, not 5 (just 1).

    Bu the never actually denies the charge which in my world means he is guilty but just can’t be proven (yet). So he plays the Lawyer word games.

    Funny enough today I read an Affadavit from a Lawyer who specifically wrote something in a way that can easily mislead but his statement was not inaccurate. It was true but a truth told in a way to mislead the reader. So Trump lies … LOL. If Lawyers go a day without a lie or misrepresentation it would be a miracle.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  70. You really do argue like a liberal, RKS.

    Successfully sued for fraud = not the first candidate to lie.

    A superior court judge finds that Donald Trump did in fact commit the predicate acts to support the allegation that he committed RICO act violations = all businessmen get sued

    What’s next, RKS? It’s uncommon but not unheard of for defendants who testify in civil cases to get charged with perjury. How are you going to downplay that? Maybe say, “all politicians try to spin the facts?”
    Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 2:53 pm

    Remember the “deep bench”? I sure do.

    Some people decided they preferred “He’s not as bad as Obama or Clinton. Almost, but just a smidgen better.”

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  71. Law as a Weapon: How RICO Subverts Liberty and the True Purpose of Law

    Much of the growth of federal criminal procedures has been tied to the expanded use of RICO—the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act of 1970. RICO has succeeded in blurring the lines between state and federal law enforcement and in overturning the protections inherent in the due-process guarantees of the U.S. Constitution.

    happyfeet (831175)

  72. Dirty diapers were left in a bathroom.

    we’ve talked to her about that

    she won’t listen

    happyfeet (831175)

  73. “Insecure, transparently phony, privately nasty, and unlikable, she [Hillary Clinton] has no political gifts other than her marriage. Her performance since law school has ranged from, at best, undistinguished, to a disastrous tenure as Secretary of State. She embraced foreign interventionism and regime change that had clearly failed in Afghanistan and Iraq, rebranding it as a “Responsibility to Protect.” At Clinton’s behest, the people of Libya were “protected” out of Muammar Gaddafi’s dictatorship and into the bloody chaos of a failed state and new Islamic State stronghold. She blessed arms shipments from Libya to Syria to help US-backed rebels foment a revolution similar to the one that had failed in Libya. Her characterization of Vladimir Putin as Hitler set up a cardboard devil that prevented her from understanding either the point of view of the other major nuclear power’s leader or the subtleties of one of the US’s most important international relationships. One expects far better from America’s chief diplomat…”

    https://straightlinelogic.com/2016/05/09/running-the-table-by-robert-gore/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. well their apparent contacts with jarrah, atta and el shukrijumah were more of note,

    narciso (732bc0)

  75. Attorney Robert W Wood writing in Forbes magazine 5/12/16 offers reasons why Trump shouldn’t release his tax returns.

    Should Donald Trump release his tax returns? It depends on whom you ask. It is not legally required for candidates for public office to release any tax returns. Only tradition requires it. So, perhaps, does the kind of ‘nothing to hide’ vetting that is supposed to leave no aspect of a candidate’s life unexamined.

    Even so, should he release them? Trump breaks with many traditions. Moreover, there are some good reasons for him not to release them…

    Not releasing them makes Mitt Romney mad. In fact, Mitt Romney even says not releasing them is ‘disqualifying’. It is unclear if Mitt Romney is helping Trump or hurting him, whatever he may intend. Indeed, the fact that Romney has been all over Trump may have improved Trump’s prospects rather than tarnished them. Maybe Mitt’s enmity is a good for Mr. Trump.

    Some of the returns are under audit. Tax professionals may know nothing about politics. But many tax professionals agree that releasing returns under audit is not wise. In an audit, the IRS is reviewing the returns. But releasing returns to the public means that everyone will pick through them mercilessly. Commentators and political foes will query, question and criticize. The IRS could well get attack ideas from these almost certain interchanges. Better to wait.

    Even returns that are not under audit could be impacted. Someone with complex returns is likely to have carryover items from one year to the next. Even closed years can be impacted. And certainly more recent returns can.

    Political power brokers, operatives, and party officials—of both parties—seem to be outraged that Trump is breaking with political tradition. Does this contribute to Trump’s odd mystique? It just might.

    Delegates surely won’t be frozen. Still, some people are already saying that Trump’s tax returns trump votes. Some take the view that convention delegates should actually abstain from voting if Trump fails to produce the tax returns. This systemic politicking could benefit Trump too. An outsider takes on the meisters of the convention.

    IRS leaks of the returns might help Trump. Some people are already warning that if Trump fails to hand over his returns, it is likely that someone from the IRS–or somewhere else–will leak them. If the IRS did this, it would be quite serious indeed. And even if the returns contain the kind of bombshells Mitt Romney has foreshadowed, Trump could make some hay over this. He has already suggested that the IRS might be targeting him with audits. Can you imagine his attack on the IRS if a would-be Lois Lerner tried to out his returns?

    Hillary Clinton is mocking him. The fact that Hillary is sounding a little like Mitt Romney–yes, this is a strange time indeed–may benefit Trump too. Mrs. Clinton has gone on the attack, playing the secrecy card. Trump’s response will surely be in kind about Hillary’s private email server, undisclosed speeches, Clinton Foundation irregularities, and more.

    Elizabeth Warren is angry at everything Trump. Conceivably, that could be good for Trump, too. He is unlikely to convert Sen. Warren into a fan no matter what he does. A few tax returns won’t matter. And like Romney, perhaps Trump gets more from annoying her. Republicans in the House and Senate do not agree with her politics. Many Democrats do not either.

    Bernie Sanders has been pretty quiet about this flap. He has had his own flap over tax returns, with Hillary badgering him about transparency. He finally managed to release his 2014 tax return, but even that was slow in coming. He and Jane have been busy.

    There’s always tomorrow, next week, next month. Trump said in an interview that he did not plan to release his returns before the general election. But then he revised his pledge to say that he would release the tax returns after his audit. Hopefully, that will be soon, he suggests.

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  76. #68

    I’ve made this case before, but I’d like to say again that the bench turned out to be wide, not deep.

    #69
    hf- a little off topic from the article, but now when I cash a check for over a couple hundred dollars, I keep the check stub in the envelope with the cash so the greedy cops who like to seize assets on slim to no probable cause of anything, anywhere, get to see a check stub that says an amount, but also says *f**k o**..
    A friend of mine is an attorney who does asset recovery from the Feds and sometimes local PD, SO etc. She has lots of horror stories to tell about abusive behavior from law enforcement who use law as a weapon. I guess you could make the case that in some instances, the RICO violators are in law enforcement

    steveg (fed1c9)

  77. #71 Trump is not a smidgen better, he is a lot better than Clinton or Obama. Just right now, from what I can see, Cruz Supporters are big cry babies. Just look at what Obola is doing to our bathrooms in Public Schools. Hillary would continue that and expand it.

    Sorry but only one candidate can/could/would turn back PC and also embolden the cowardly silent majority to fight back, that is Trump. Cruz could never get that done. Win the culture argument, win elections.

    Love Cruz but Cafone 2016!

    #78 The biggest criminals in our Nation are in the Govt. The biggest liars. The biggest parasites. They just say things in nice lawyerly that make fools of allegedly smart folks.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  78. Just look at what Obola is doing to our bathrooms in Public Schools. Hillary would continue that and expand it.

    Sorry but only one candidate can/could/would turn back PC and also embolden the cowardly silent majority to fight back, that is Trump. Cruz could never get that done. Win the culture argument, win elections.

    Rodney King’s Spirit (e2dd8e) — 5/12/2016 @ 7:20 pm

    Are you not aware of Trump advising NC to repeal their bathroom law? Trump has no evidenced no interest whatsoever in the culture war.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  79. Trumpkin = Chump = Sucker

    Beldar (fa637a)

  80. Beldar, I understand you’re a pretty good lawyer. Keep your day job because you suck at politics.

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  81. Mr. g I can’t imagine anyone more better to reform the system than someone who’s had a RICO gun pointed at his head

    happyfeet (831175)

  82. Trump hired Perez Hilton as a judge in one of his beauty contests to disqualify a Miss Silicone who said that she believed marriage was between a man and a woman. In the culture wars, Tiny Donnie is on the libertine side.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Ropelight, I’m trying to think of something you’re good at. Because you definitely suck at logic, consistency, standing up for Constitutional principles, and pretty much everything else.

    John Hitchcock (ddb4db)

  84. Well, John, I’m pretty good around boats, commercial fishing, residential construction, prospecting, airplanes, cooking, SCUBA diving, chess, soft ball, ping-pong, darts, and women. But, what I’m best at is spotting fools and four-flushers. I can smell ’em 2-3 hundred yards upwind.

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  85. And you found yourself a doozy in Tiny Donnie and have had your nose firmly wedged in his crack since.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. hahahaha

    stop. you’re killing me.

    Leviticus (960aea)

  87. Prospecting for Nuggets of Defensibility up Donald Trump’s As*crack: the Ropelight Story

    Leviticus (960aea)

  88. “Prospecting for Nuggets of Defensibility up Donald Trump’s As*crack: the Ropelight Story”

    Leviticus, well played.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  89. Riddle me this, Batman –

    When does ro = du ?

    Matador (793547)

  90. #83 ropeliar,

    You’re also good at lying, and at being a pooper, as Mr happyfeet might say. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  91. Actually, I’m so good at spotting fools and four-flushers, I don’t even have to look for ’em. They get nervous and just can’t help but give up and reveal themselves.

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  92. Only when conjoined with …pelight

    Matador (793547)

  93. See what I mean?

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  94. Dupelight!

    Your wall is gone and your Four flusher hain’t even got the job yet!

    Matador (793547)

  95. Holy bill of goods, Batman! Dupelight’s been duped!

    Matador (793547)

  96. Of course spotting a fool is one thing, and holding him out for ridicule is another, but neither one guarantees he won’t choke and soil himself.

    ropelight (ae2ecc)

  97. Ted Cruz on political correctness Mark.

    That link is a good reply, DRJ. Cruz gets it—he’s on target. But his getting lost amidst all the media noise and one-minute sound bites shows that the superficial qualities of a public figure are quite influential and can either help or hurt that person gain traction among the populace. We do live in the age of short-attention spans and speed-dial impatience, so a candidate is even more dependent on finding a hook or gimmick that helps him viscerally with the electorate.

    Because Cruz wasn’t able to develop the so-called cult of personality, which would have worked in tandem with his being the best of the candidates running for the presidency, he got sort of drowned out in all the commotion.

    Mark (3a3812)

  98. 98. …Because Cruz wasn’t able to develop the so-called cult of personality, which would have worked in tandem with his being the best of the candidates running for the presidency, he got sort of drowned out in all the commotion.

    Mark (3a3812) — 5/12/2016 @ 10:16 pm

    Cruz would never have wanted a cult of personality developing around him. If he had, he’d have been a self-aggrandizing reality TV star.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  99. I like reading your website. Thank you so much!

    NBA (7fd0b0)


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