Patterico's Pontifications

On the bright side, either it won’t be Hillary, or it won’t be Trump.

So there is a silver lining either way.

Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:48 am

yes yes we all need closure

esp teddy-pie and carly-pupperoni

i know two Rs that i just adore

so so sad that we won’t see them more

against Mr. Trump they would inveigh all day

now they can play

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:52 am

So basically crony capitalism vs crony marxism

crazy (cde091) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:04 am

It’s incredible that, out of more than 300,000,000 people, these two characters are the standard bearers for their respective parties.

I don’t know how to say this tactfully, but:

We are Doomed.

orcadrvr (3cc3b1) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:09 am

By the time this election is over in November, we’re all going to wish we’d been born in Canada. Even ropelite! (LOL)

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:20 am

Happy, being a minimum wage $15 per fluffer has taken its toll on your soul. #sosad

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:27 am

@orcadrvr:It’s incredible that, out of more than 300,000,000 people, these two characters are the standard bearers for their respective parties.

In every election of my lifetime, that has been true: except maybe 1980 and 1984, but YMMV.

Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:31 am

Hillary is not a Marxist. She is a Progressive. Very little different from Trump, and there in a positive way. She is less greedy, not at all hedonistic, and cares more for her personal dignity and public reputation. I would further bet that she cares more for America, too, and is less likely to issue H1-B visas to a stable of Slovenian “models” and their “fiances”.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:33 am

If he’s the nominee then we fight to stop him from doing damage to the country.

Or Hillary too.

Hillary can do less damage so that’s the least horrible/disgusting/no good option we have. If she’s elected then we fight like hell to stop her. One hopes that Trump won’t cost us the Congress.

I think institutionally Hillary can be slowed. Also, emotionally/psychologically. She’s not a fanatic like Trump. Trump and his supporters want an authoritarian leader and won’t accept limits on his power. He’s far more dangerous.

Both are dangers; it’s a question of how we can minimize the damage and danger. I won’t vote for either but obviously one of the two will be, heaven help us, the next president.

But it’s the same as with every other president or Congress. Eternal vigilance.

SteveMG (205671) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:42 am

She is less greedy, not at all hedonistic, and cares more for her personal dignity and public reputation.

I’m not sure about the greedy part but I do think she cares more about her image than Trump.

The man is completely and totally unfit to be president. Hillary is not, at least, emotionally unstable. We have her record in the Senate and while it was a liberal one, it wasn’t crazy liberal.

It’s an awful, awful, choice we have.

SteveMG (205671) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:45 am

We are a LOT closer to civil war than I had thought.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:46 am

Indiana wants me
Lord, I can’t go back there

Colonel Haiku (1ec93b) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:46 am

8… all evidence to the contrary, nk? She’s a flippin’ walking criminal conspiracy. Back away from the crack pipe… NOW!

Colonel Haiku (1ec93b) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:49 am

And she still looks good compared to Trump. He is what you see when you turn over a rock. And so are his supporters. Like that maggot in the Indiana video. If you think I want to be in the same tent as that kind of trash ….

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:56 am

Indiana’s a foregone conclusion.

So, a man with no previous political experience, opposed by his own party’s Establishment and funding his own campaign has destroyed, one by one, the strongest GOP field in recent memory.

If that doesn’t impress you, it damn well should.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:07 am

Put the right people around Trump, like Jeff Sessions on immigration, and you get great policy. Our job is to get the right people around Trump. (And to shoot Chuck Schumer if he gets within 100 meters.)

luagha (ee6350) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:08 am

SteveMG- that’s my thought too. She’ll just be like Obama and try to change a lot of things, but will fail a lot. Especially with at least a GOP House. Sure they’ll cave, but not like they would with Trump. I could easily see another mass shooting in the country, and Trump suddenly decides to make a push for an scary looking gun ban. And a compliant Congress will go right along with him.

Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:09 am

I favor Cruz, but I sympathize with the difficulty of trying to convince Trump supporters that doing things the usual way will fix the results of doing things the usual way.

Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:14 am

It’s small consolation, but Athens went thru the same process in 450 – 404BC. With no technological innovation, but with an extension of citizenship to tens of thousands of landless men, an innovation in a realm other than technology, they raised a fleet that allowed them to dominate the Aegean and collect tribute to pay those 40,000 citizens who rowed the 200 triremes. Under Pericles, they prospered albeit at the expense of the landed class who were outvoted and discarded once the walls to Piraeus were built, just as Democrats today pit the urban poor against rural and middle class America. But under the demagogues who followed Pericles, who whipped the mob back and forth to suit their lust for power, they stumbled. And even at the last minute they might have saved themselves, but the demagogues, out of envy and fear of the one competent commander who could win against the Persian-funded Spartan fleet, cast Alcibiades aside and proceeded to squander what should have been a winning effort.

Our Republic was designed with checks and balances to protect us from such mob rule. But our judiciary has thrown away the last traces of the system that could have saved us. And for what? Preserving the reputation of a child-man elected to the presidency who uses Federal agencies and “services” to punish political opponents, and administrative orders to circumvent Congress? Using the concept of inter-state commerce to allow the central government to coerce farmers and all others in the minutest of economic activities? Simply stopping the administration from encouraging millions of illegal parasites who will feed on our welfare benefits appears to be beyond the reach of the judiciary, as are the many court orders routinely ignored by the administration. None of this had to happen. A Congress with courage and a willingness to lose their cherished pensions and financial benefits in a battle to preserve the Republic might have been able to slow the course of this avalanche of catastrophe, and in time reverse the rot. But we elected complacent cowards and pensioners, we cast a whale upon a beach in Churchill’s words. Only the most mediocre of minds could work willingly on such a project over such a long period of time in so many realms of government. And yet these foolish progressives, the elite of our political system, continue to live under the illusion that they are wiser and better educated than any other collection of mortals, past or present. Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton are suitable icons for this government of fools.

BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:19 am

The “usual way” Trumpanzees object to is that their government is not giving them enough free stuff like it’s been giving to furriners and coloreds.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:20 am

In a major crisis we have no idea what Trump will do. We have no idea who will advise him. Sessions and…. anyone? And he has no record of listening to anyone on public policy matters anyway. His supporters think that’s a positive since they support him no matter what.

Trump said that the internment of innocent Americans in WWII was right. That’s frightening. We know today that none of these people were agents of the Japanese government. NONE were threats. None of them. And he still says it was the right thing to do? Sorry, even IF every single one were agents of Tokyo their due process rights were completely denied. Only in exigent circumstances can the government take such actions. And only then for a short period; they can’t deny you your rights for years. This is what FDR did. And Trump says it was the right thing to do?

We have some idea with Hillary, what she’ll do, who will advise her. I assume many of the Clinton crowd will be with her. Those are not crazy lefties – yeah, Blumenthal notwithstanding.

Trump simply has an authoritarian streak in him that I don’t see with Hillary. Not to the same degree.

Again: it’s a question of the least bad option.

I’ll write in someone….not sure who but it won’t be either of the two.

SteveMG (205671) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:21 am

Go screw a sheep, nk. You know you want to.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:23 am

That struck home, eh Boris? Anyway, New Zealanders are not eligible for welfare benefits from the U.S. government.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:26 am

Boris – congrats on your support of a big government leftist. Hates guns. Loves crony capitalism. Loves universal healthcare. Loves Democrats. Way to go.

JD (34f761) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:31 am

Did you have your eye on one sheep in particular, nk, or are you easy?

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:32 am

I stopped caring about the future of this pathetic, sick country years ago. My only hope for this election was that Bernie Sanders bit the big one.

CrustyB (69f730) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:34 am

And congratulations, JD, on your support of a loser who just had his clock cleaned by The Donald. Maybe he’ll learn how it’s done next time.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:34 am

Don’t worry, Boris, if I come after yours I’ll pay you first.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:35 am

@nk:less likely to issue H1-B visas to a stable of Slovenian “models” and their “fiances”.

The threat to American citizens’ jobs is not coming from Slovenian models. And the emergency rooms and welfare rolls are not being overrun with them either.

Numbers are of the essence in immigration questions. Hillary will be pursuing immigration amnesty most definitely, and no pretense at border security. We cannot be sure exactly what Trump will do but we know for a fact what Hillary will do.

Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:38 am

@SteveMG:We know today that none of these people were agents of the Japanese government. NONE were threats. None of them.

Meet Michelle Malkin.

Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:39 am

Never doubted you would, nk.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:40 am

stevenMG
Just for grins, look at what the US authorities were looking at in early ’42. But the “they never did anything wrong” issue is loaded. Because it legitimizes looking at an ethnic group and whether any of them “did anything”. ‘cuz I don’t think you want to apply that today, do you?

Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:52 am

@SteveMG: Before I get accused of endorsing everything written in a book that I have merely mentioned without comment, I will point out that in that that book there are documented a few cases of Nisei working on behalf of Japan during WWII. You can find these cases discussed on the Wikipedia talk pages for the Japanese internment, where the editors strive mightily to keep these from being mentioned in the main article.

And not of that justifies the internment: which was also done in Canada, we should not forget.

Just pointing out that “not one” is false, as false as “not one” victim of the “McCarthy era” being an agent of the Soviet Union or a Communist.

Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:53 am

Just wanted to be clear that was what you supported, Natasha.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:54 am

You think that Trumpanzee that confronted Cruz in Indiana even wants a job, Gabriel? He wants to be able to buy beer with his LINK card. And even if he did want a job, so he could be eligible for “compensation” and Social Security, and some employer was foolish enough to hire him, it would take five of him to do the work of one Mexican.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:58 am

The guy I support has won the nomination. Your guy lost miserably and will be going back to the Senate. Clear enough, JD?

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:58 am

“Like that maggot in the Indiana video. If you think I want to be in the same tent as that kind of trash …”

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:56 am

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So you’d vote for criminal trash to protest pedestrian trash?

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:01 am

Hillary is better than Trump. I know it’s not saying much. Did I mention that she has better hair and bigger … ahem … hands?

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:03 am

And it’s a fair bet that she got more p_____ than Trump when she was younger, but she has the grace not to brag about it.

Advantage: Hillary

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:05 am

Boris, Trump is not impressive. What is impressive is the utter stupidity of the people he has voting for him. JFK assassination nonsense from the National Enquirer? You should be ashamed of yourself for having anything to do with the orange con man.

SPQR (a3a747) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:05 am

Yeah, she eat moar chicken any man ever seen… she does have that persistent cough… can’t dislodge that Humahairball.

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:07 am

So, a man with no previous political experience, opposed by his own party’s Establishment and funding his own campaign has destroyed, one by one, the strongest GOP field in recent memory.

If that doesn’t impress you, it damn well should.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:07 am

That’s not quite right.

The democrats and the media have destroyed the strongest GOP field in our lifetimes.

Trump won from all those early open primaries, with winner takes all delegates giving him huge totals. Democrats crossed over in droves, but they want Hillary to win and wisely gave her the only chance she had by picking the village idiot.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:08 am

Mr. The Donald is a much better person than the moist pee-stanky old lady.

He’s got a lot of curb appeal plus retsyn crystals and he has the right policies especially some of them.

Pee-stank will continue the vicious rape of America what food stamp started. Ask you mama what this means.

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:12 am

The guy I support has won the nomination. Your guy lost miserably and will be going back to the Senate. Clear enough, JD?

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:58 am

So at the end of the day, Cruz will remain a powerful Senator who won that office against impossible odds, and also did incredibly well in a presidential race, given where he is in his career, bolstering himself going forward, but being only a footnote in this election to most people.

Trump, on the other hand, will be known the way Dukakis and Romney are, for getting their asses kicked. And he won’t have actually won any office. Unless you believe the current BS that he’s beating Hillary. Which is as plausible as Ted Cruz’s dad gunning for JFK.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:14 am

Dustin, the “village idiot” has amassed a $4 billion personal fortune, had a top-rating TV show, and wiped the floor with 16 “respectable” candidates en route to winning the GOP nominated nation. Image what he could’ve done if he weren’t such an idiot, huh?

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:16 am

that is pessimisms Mr. Dustin and it’s silly

Mr. Trump will beat pee-stank. She’s revolting and ghastly and a criminal to boot.

Nobody likes her except her humador.

Nobody.

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:16 am

Mr. The Donald is a much better person than the moist pee-stanky old lady.

This is complete BS. I pity those who are so steeped in bias they believe this. It’s absolutely ridiculous, even for me, who is well aware of Clinton’s corruption. Trump, who gave generously to Clinton’s last presidential campaign, is more corrupt, more sleazy, and a bigger criminal. He is also unstable and must not be given power over our military.

I hope the GOP pulls off a miracle and nominates someone else.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:17 am

He’ll eviscerate the cackling witch as surely as he did every one of his opponents to date, make no mistake.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:19 am

that is hyperbole

Mr. Trump he loves America and he’ll do everything he can to help this wretched country up off her knees.

Hillary will just pee all over everything.

advantage: Mr. The Donald

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:19 am

Dustin, the “village idiot” has amassed a $4 billion personal fortune, had a top-rating TV show, and wiped the floor with 16 “respectable” candidates en route to winning the GOP nominated nation. Image what he could’ve done if he weren’t such an idiot, huh?

Boris (77667e

He was born with that wealth. How on earth did he “amass” this? You don’t even know what he amassed as he is clearly hiding his income level and is a notorious hustler who probably is far less wealthy than he would have been if he put his inheritance in a bank account. You don’t go bankrupt over and over by being successful.

Having a reality show doesn’t impress me as far as intelligence goes. To say the least.

He did not ‘wipe the floor’ with his opponents. He got about $2 billion in free media coverage from democrats and has struggled to seal the deal until very late. His primary victory is inferior to the last several, in fact, and it’s also a fact that even today the majority of Republicans do not support Trump and he has had to rely on democrats to get to where he is in the totals. At the end of the day, Obama is the president. Winning elections means a lot, but it doesn’t mean you’re right or a good choice.

BTW please continue campaigning for Trump in this way. It’s a huge turn-off and it is critical that Trump loses if he is nominated.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:24 am

it would take five of him to do the work of one Mexican.

Mainly because the Mexican wouldn’t drink til after work, knowing there are 5 other Mexicans who’d like his job. Meanwhile Sunglasses would show up plastered, and be complaining all day about how hard the work was, how he wasn’t being paid enough, and doing a crappy job at everything.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:26 am

Hillary will do more damage, because the Media and Academia will support her expansion of Obama’s nihilistic leftist world view.

Trump will lose to her, unless he is suddenly, miraculously granted political genius AND a ground game.

He has neither, the leftist media will shred him.

Steven Malynn (4bc33a) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:27 am

Dustin – Boris just hearts his leftist celebrit@rd. Point and laugh.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:28 am

“Just pointing out that “not one” is false, as false as “not one” victim of the “McCarthy era” being an agent of the Soviet Union or a Communist.”

Yes, I am aware that there were Japanese – not American – spies in Hawaii shortly before Pearl Harbor. And they provided information to Tokyo before the attack. And there were fears that Japan had spy rings, possibly including Americans, in the US during the war.

The question is: Were any of ordered to in the camps working for the Japanese government?

My reference was to those interned NOT every single Japanese American.

SteveMG (205671) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:28 am

At least that has been my experience with home upgrades. Hire the guy who has Mexicans working for him and the job is done right, on time and on budget. Hire the guy who has “Americans” working for him and everything is slapdash, takes more time and they hit you up for “unexpected” extras.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:29 am

that is pessimisms Mr. Dustin and it’s silly

Mr. Trump will beat pee-stank. She’s revolting and ghastly and a criminal to boot.

Nobody likes her except her humador.

Nobody.

happyfeet (a037ad)

More people like Hillary than Trump. She is so happy that Trump is the nominee. Mock the serious conservatives all you like, but you know I’m right. Hillary got the opponent she needed. For all the conspiracy theories Trump’s fans believe, it’s surprising they don’t wonder about how a guy who donated to Hillary’s last presidential run is now her only reason for being our probable next president.

In fact, how on earth is he going to debate her if his donations endorsed her being president? He’s not going to win.

I would be happy to take bets on this.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:29 am

Mr. Trump is the future, pee-stank reeks of the past. And pee.

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:31 am

Ok, Dustin, I get it. Mr. Trump’s entire life and success to date has just been a non-stop series of felicitous accidents, and not at all impressive to a true winner such as yourself.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:32 am

It should be pointed out, again, those with short attention spans: a third of the party has repeatedly said that they will not vote for Trump. When they don’t vote for Trump. Please don’t act surprised, or feel betrayed — you knew this going in and you did it anyway. It’s on you.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:33 am

Dustin – Boris just hearts his leftist celebrit@rd. Point and laugh.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:28 am

Boris gets to do the laughing if Indiana goes his way today. I’m not in the mood.

It’s dismaying these people give Trump credit for this, when he’s had such a massive media advantage. He has no campaign outside this top-down media thing. Fox News, Drudge, and the website that took Breitbart’s once good name will all stand by him, but this media dependency is going to crush Trump if the GOP is insane and allows him to be the nominee. This should be obvious, but the fantasy of Trump University and Trump Chinese Menswear and Trump Steaks wins a lot of chumps over, and they really think he will magically overcome this.

hopefully they show the wisdom of nominating someone else.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:34 am

He is as successful as Kim Kardashian, Boris. Only with more bankruptcies.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:34 am

teddy-pie and carly-pupperoni are down but not out

they just have to get the votes

have they brought up about the fetuses yet?

that’s always a crowd-pleaser

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:37 am

@SteveMG: I am aware that there were Japanese – not American – spies in Hawaii

False. There were Americans of Japanese descent involved. They worked for the consulate.

Were any of ordered to in the camps working for the Japanese government?

How they could have known that before the fact I am not sure, but at least one was.

Again, not defending the internment. Just correcting your false statements.

Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:38 am

Yeah, and a third of Hillary’s supporters in 2008 “said” that they wouldn’t vote for Obama. It was obvious BS. People bitch about not getting the candidate they’d have preferred sox months out from the election, but when push comes to shove, they fall in line.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:38 am

Hillary needed a bogeyman on the other side to win. Cruz might have served, but Trump is out of central casting. You could not order up a grosser caricature of a Republican, as seen from the Left, as Donald Trump. He is the living, walking, talking embodiment of their stereotypical right-winger.

Not even Shatner’s “Denny Crane” was this on target. Trump is to Republicans as Stepin Fetchit was to black folk.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:39 am

The villain from central casting has already pulled even with the witch in the latest polls.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:43 am

Boris – what Kevin said was entirely accurate. And he is not alone. I am not a sheep, and will not fall in line with your Bill of Rights hating leftist authoritarian impulses. Good luck.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:47 am

To those who say “But Hillary is so terrible, even Trump can win” I gotta say, think how much better a landslide for our side would have been. Hell even that slime Kasich leads her by 10 points.

Rubio, Walker, Romney — good god many people regret not voting for Romney, and up against Hillary it would be Shinola vs sh1t. But any reasonably competent and sane Republican could wipe the floor with her. As it is, we’ll be lucky not to lose too badly.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:47 am

Ok, Dustin, I get it. Mr. Trump’s entire life and success to date has just been a non-stop series of felicitous accidents, and not at all impressive to a true winner such as yourself.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:32 am

I am confident I’m a bigger winner than the guy who left the mother of his kids and bragged that he did so for a “hot piece of ass.” I do not have millions, but I was not born with millions. I have never filed for bankruptcy or even ever been late paying a debt, so as far as personal and financial character I am more successful, objectively speaking.

I’ve also never lost an election, so given a few months I’ll have on your majesty.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:48 am

Yeah, and a third of Hillary’s supporters in 2008 “said” that they wouldn’t vote for Obama. It was obvious BS. People bitch about not getting the candidate they’d have preferred sox months out from the election, but when push comes to shove, they fall in line.

This is different. This is visceral. This is a matter of living with one’s self. It would be a betrayal of everything I believe in to vote for this mamzer.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:50 am

Ok, Dustin, I get it. Mr. Trump’s entire life and success to date has just been a non-stop series of felicitous accidents, and not at all impressive to a true winner such as yourself.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:32 am

If I had started life with a family worth hundreds of millions, I really do think I would have done a better job that little Donny, who would have been personally BANKRUPT if his dad had not stepped in.

As they say, he started life on 3rd base. He didn’t hit no triple.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:55 am

Assuming Trump does clinch the nomination, we will be going into a general election where both major party candidates owe their status overwhelmingly to states that they have no hope of carrying in the general election unless the other side loses in a landslide (HRC: the South; Trump: the Northeast). There is a definite sense that the entire US political system is playing Russian Roulette with a few extra bullets in the chambers–both sides might end up with metaphorical holes in their heads before we’re done.

M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:55 am

Kevin M – it will be an illusion of choice in November.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:56 am

In fairness Kevin, if Trump had simply wanted to make money he would have probably made different choices with his life. Clearly, he wanted to be famous and influential even more than he wanted to be rich, and–God help us all–he has succeeded in that beyond our wildest nightmares.

M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:57 am

Uh-uh. I bet that loser Trump secretly wishes he could be more like you, Dustin.

Trump has won. Ted crashed and burned. Not much point arguing about the rest. Check back with me in November.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:57 am

It’s like what they say about Hillary in the D party.

“You don’t have to fall in love. You just have to fall in line.”

luagha (ee6350) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:58 am

I will not be falling in line.

And your lack of character is showing, Natasha.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:01 am

Most of the people whining about how Mr. Trump “started on third base” would pi55 away whatever money they started with in 15 minutes flat, let alone growing it by a factor of ten. Most of these whiners wouldn’t last a day in his world.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:04 am

Kevin,

… Trump is out of central casting … He is the living, walking, talking embodiment of their stereotypical right-winger.

The reason is obvious. He is playing the part, and he’s doing it without any knowledge of what Republicans believe. He’s using the media stereotype as his guide, which unsurprisingly fits nicely with the media’s intended narrative. This is the reason he stumbled so obviously when asked about David Duke, etc. On the one hand, the media says that’s who Republicans are, but on the other hand, Trump has to stand up before and audience of Republicans and Trump knows they that won’t buy into the fabrication. If he was a little quicker mentally, or if he a Republican or two advising him (Cristy doesn’t count,) he could avoid these embarrassing reveals. He might even learn something, like checks and balances and the three branches of government. It wouldn’t surprise me if he couldn’t explain these things should a reporter dare to ask him.

BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:04 am

Boris -‘it would help your case if you didn’t have to lie to make it. His current net worth could have been achieved by him with simple basic investments that returned 4-5%.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:06 am

#72: Mr. Eiland, excellent point. But Hillary! won’t need those southern votes in the Electoral College, whereas Trump will need to burrow into any number of “blue” states, including the northeast.

BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:10 am

Well, he didn’t just make “simple, basic investments”, did he, JD? He made it in real estate, a brutally tough business to succeed in. Try it yourself some time, and be sure to let us know how you did.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:13 am

Florida is more plausible than NY for Trump, certainly. As always, Ohio will be crucial.

M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:15 am

I think we can put West Virginia safely in the R column regardless of who the nominee is:

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/03/no-hillary-did-not-apologize-for-bragging-about-putting-coal-miners-out-of-business/

*sighs and waits for another round of HRC accurately being called arrogant, and her sycophants accusing those accurate accusers of sexism and racism*

M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:17 am

Spot me a couple hundred million and I’ll see if I can avoid bankruptcy four times, Natasha.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:18 am

Illegal immigration, anchor babies, replacing the electorate, and the 15-point Media Bonus make it a tough slog for anyone with a R after his name, Trump, Cruz, or whoever.

Trump, like any R, is going to need the Reagan Democrats. People who are not interested in politics, who are realists and therefore natural conservatives, but who have been battered by the Media all their lives telling them that ‘only racists vote Republican’ et al.

It wouldn’t be easy for Cruz. It wouldn’t be easy for Kasich (who is really the weaksauce one the Media wants to destroy up against Hillary) and Trump is going to need all those Master Persuader salesman powers that Scott Adams of Dilbert fame talks about.

luagha (e5bf64) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:20 am

I wouldn’t spot you a dime, JD as you are obviously utterly clueless about the realities of operating a business.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:23 am

Anyone who thinks the democrat party is returning to Clinton control aren’t paying attention. Hillary and Bill’s future belongs to Obama and his sidekicks. To believe Hillary represents some kind of return to Bubba’s so-called middle of the road politics requires one to believe Hillary can survive the exposure of Hillary’s corrupt and dishonest activities as Secretary of State. Obama owns them. Ironically, Trump is the most Bubba-like candidate in the race.

crazy (cde091) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:24 am

Uh-uh. I bet that loser Trump secretly wishes he could be more like you, Dustin.

Trump has won. Ted crashed and burned. Not much point arguing about the rest. Check back with me in November.

Boris (77667e)

No, I bet Trump wants to be absolutely nothing like me. He would find my values pathetic. My fidelity to my word and wife stupid. He also has said he does not want my support. So do not blame me or the vast majority of Americans who listen to this and do not support Trump. It is you, the guy who is crowing like the bully’s insecure lackey, who is responsible for what’s coming with Trump’s future.

I’m not sure how Cruz’s performance in this primary isn’t anything but excellent. But in a field of 12 with democrats crossing over in open primaries, was powerful too.

Dustin (4f3256) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:24 am

Trump had an early head start with name recognition and his tapping into the “angry I’m fed up with DC and this PC nonsense” and for a long time he could win with no more than 40% or so because the rest of the vote was split.

We never did get to a one on one, with Rubio being the weight around the neck of Cruz for awhile, then Kasich.

Trump finally got over 50% of the Republican vote in states where the Republicans will not win anyway.

At this point there are 4 weak candidates for president.

MD in Philly (062f39) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:27 am

Another “excellent” performance from Ted coming right up in Indiana, Dustin. In fact, the excellence of his performance there is about to seal the nomination for Mr. Trump.

Boris (77667e) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:28 am

I wouldn’t be surprised if HRC is not the Dem candidate, nor that Trump will get slaughtered.
After Obama won twice, nothing will surprise me,
Though some things will be more curious than others.

Will or will not HRC be sacrificed to make way for a pro-Obama leftist?

MD in Philly (062f39) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:32 am

Mencken’s Law: No one has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

Trump has proven this, utterly. He has managed to grab the attention of every last Beavis and Butthead, every last Gilligan and Ginger. It is the revenge of the losers, they finally have a “Winner” on their side. It’s better than the Lottery.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:32 am

Feeling a little tingle up your leg, Boris? Which part of the Bill or Rights do you hope Trump goes after first? Maybe he will donate to Hillary’s campaign, again.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:33 am

Dustin – you are correct, Trump and his ilk would view those honorable characteristics as a sign of weakness.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:46 am

Cruz is blaming fox and my how he has changed his tune about Trump since last year. I’d recommend he read Dana’s earlier post for a lesson in being an adult.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34202856

spokanebob (e86321) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:46 am

interesting bob stewart, one has to understand that thucydides the chronicler of the period, was allied to pericles, donald knox, apprised me of that fact, in that way the pelopenessian war was much like vietnam started by the wise men, and then managed by who they considered a ruffian like cleon, there is also the roman parallel, marius represented the people, sulla
the aristocrat class, caesar came the former, mark anthony came to represent the latter,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:52 am

Isn’t Boris a New Zealander? What’s he care about our election? Is he one of Stefan Molyneux’s towel boys like Christoph who is a Canadian? As is Molineux, BTW. They worry a lot about the browning of the white “culture”. Do you worry a lot about the “mixing of the races”, Boris? Do you go camping with Milo Yiannopoulos?

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:52 am

# 65

Hillary needed a bogeyman on the other side to win. Cruz might have served, but Trump is out of central casting. You could not order up a grosser caricature of a Republican, as seen from the Left, as Donald Trump. He is the living, walking, talking embodiment of their stereotypical right-winger.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:39 am

Trump being a democratic – has no idea what republicans really believe. It was quite evident when he attempted to pander to the sterotypical progressive view of republicans

Joe - From Texas (debac0) — 5/3/2016 @ 11:53 am

Kasich was a problem, but I don’t know if the cooperation was a good idea.
Fox has been and is a problem, but I don’t know what is the best way, if there is one, to address it, unless perhaps by illustration with specific examples.
And Trump deserves criticism, but what kind and the timing of it, I am not sure what would have been / is a good idea.

MD in Philly (062f39) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:00 pm

20 20.The “usual way” Trumpanzees object to is that their government is not giving them enough free stuff like it’s been giving to furriners and coloreds.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable complaint to me.

James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:02 pm

Uh-oh…
Shepherd Smith just used the big L word with Cruz…
He is a…LAWYER!!!!!!

MD in Philly (062f39) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:03 pm

the problem with the cruz/kasich alliance was somewhat like those collaborations in the late roman republic, neither wants to cede ground, also the first rule of fight club,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:04 pm

#97 – I’ll admit you just totally confused me. What does that mean?

spokanebob (1aaf2a) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:05 pm

Smith is accusing Cruz of “pounding the table…”
But not those words.

MD in Philly (062f39) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:07 pm

Cruz’s campaign went off the rails and into a ditch once he started playing around with the loony bin of Glenn Beck. Nobody likes apocalyptic nonsense 24/7. Remains to be seen if he ever really had a shot, but from that point on he was going to lose.

Trump grasps any prospective GOP nominee has to be polite and respectful to social conservatives and evangelicals, and probably will wind up agreeing with them on policy most of the time. But social issues are death to Republicans because for most those issues are settled and over. You can like or dislike that reality, but it is a reality.If you want to spend your time and political capital on abortion or gay marriage you are wasting it.There’s a muddle in the middle and most Americans are live and let live people.

Bugg (db3a97) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:08 pm

the political establishment, then as now, thought their cunning cunning plans were perfect, just stupid and malicious people ended up carrying them out, they thought that of nixon and reagan, and w, and they believe that of either cruz or trump because this is truly ‘the best of all worlds’ moreover the narrative they promote like thucydides tale, confirms the point,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:11 pm

Don’t be H8in’ on teh Milo, nk!

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:14 pm

Boris… you election busy-bodies have busied your last body.

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:19 pm

51Mainly because the Mexican wouldn’t drink til after work, knowing there are 5 other Mexicans who’d like his job. Meanwhile Sunglasses would show up plastered, and be complaining all day about how hard the work was, how he wasn’t being paid enough, and doing a crappy job at everything.

So what? The American government should be working to promote the interests of Americans over those of foreigners however hard working.

James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:21 pm

Cruz is blaming fox and my how he has changed his tune about Trump since last year.

Cruz lost this on his own. He let Trump run wild the first part of the campaign, using him to drive out as many candidates as possible and hoping to pick up Trump’s support when he “inevitably” faded.

Instead, he should have gone after Trump from the get go, along with all the others, rather than giving him cover. They could have strangled Trump in the crib if they tried, but instead Cruz backed him up.

Then Cruz spent his time bashing Rubio, still thinking Trump was no real threat. Even after it was plain that the Cruz vs Rubio act turned everyone off. It even let Trump look reasonable by comparison. Meanwhile Bush, Rubio, Kasich and Christie were fighting it out for the mainstream, again giving Trump a bye.

Then when it came down to Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Trump, Cruz had so alienated Rubio that Marco wouldn’t give him the time of day, even for a VP spot (assuming Cruz offered it as he should have).

Then he couldn’t cut a deal with Kasich as VP after Florida, when it was IMPERATIVE to make it a two man race. When he finally tried, a couple weeks ago, it was too little, too late, and Kasich had to think his chances were better with Trump. The abortive criss-cross deal was the booby prize from that.

Since I was not ever a real Cruz die-hard (except in the #nevertrump sense) I can look at his campaign with some detachment. Even with all these mistakes he still could have won.

Except for one thing, which was also Romney’s problem: he could not seem to get angry when it was time to be angry. Trump had no such fault. The thing yesterday with the sunglass yahoo is a case in point. Cruz’s supporters think it was great of him to feign respect and engage the drunk as if he had an important point. Nonsense. He should have said: “You’re drunk. Come back when you’re sober” and moved on. People are tired of this false modesty and pussyfooting, and Trump does no have those faults. Cruz treats everyone like they were Justice Ginsberg, when not everyone is deserving of such respect.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:28 pm

By not caring about electoral politics, do you mean to say you don’t care about the US Senate race in California? Sen. Boxer is going away; this race is the most important Senate race in decades.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:29 pm

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/lapd-commissioner-trump-supporters-look-inbred/

Wonder how brave folks get on this site……. #LOL, not. Regardless,

1) LAPD Commissioner should be FIRED. Immediately.
2) Racism and Bigtotry should be treated the same on both sides.

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:32 pm

#51 Letting go hungry would solve lots of these entitlement problems.

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:33 pm

So what? The American government should be working to promote the interests of Americans over those of foreigners however hard working.

Employers, homeowners, and consumers are Americans too.

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:33 pm

So what? The American government should be working to promote the interests of Americans over those of foreigners however hard working.

Pretty much the way they saw it in the old South under Jim Crow.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:34 pm

@ Boris, who wrote (#15):

So, a man with no previous political experience, opposed by his own party’s Establishment and funding his own campaign has destroyed, one by one, the strongest GOP field in recent memory.

If that doesn’t impress you, it damn well should.

It does impress me, actually.

Just not favorably. It terrifies me, not because of anything it says about Trump, but because of everything it says about the people he’s been able to con into voting for and supporting him.

Donald Trump is going to end up on the ashpile of history at the end of a long trail of chaos. It hope that it ends on June 7, but it may continue to July. If it goes to November, there will be a very great deal of chaos indeed, and then another Clinton in the White House.

Yeah, I’ll be “impressed” when that happens, too.

Beldar (fa637a) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:36 pm

By not caring about electoral politics, do you mean to say you don’t care about the US Senate race in California? Sen. Boxer is going away; this race is the most important Senate race in decades.

The jungle primary just makes it a single-party event. The only Republican in the race who I recognize is Ron Unz, and I really doubt the party is going to back him. Maybe Trump will. They seem to be running the usual assortment of NoCal party hacks.

It’s going to be Sanchez vs Harris and my only preference is getting a different attorney general.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:40 pm

Trump wins indiana back to the black teenage tranny hookers for randy ted!

cruz is a slime (7addde) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:41 pm

To believe Hillary represents some kind of return to Bubba’s so-called middle of the road politics requires one to believe Hillary can survive the exposure of Hillary’s corrupt and dishonest activities as Secretary of State

Only a very, very liberal person will ever deem Hillary as middle of the road. But if they’re using a benchmark like Nicolas Maduro, the guy now running Venezuela (into the ground), perhaps one can stretch and squeeze and deem her as being centrist. But only in the ridiculous context of that.

In terms of how she fares compared with Bill, she reportedly leans further left than he does.

Then again, because all Democrats/liberals today exist during an era when the middle of the socio-political spectrum has shifted further and further to the left, just about all of them are quite leftwing by the standards of decades ago.

For that matter, because most of us — most Americans — are increasingly desensitized and influenced by political correctness and the who-gives-a-damn culture around it, we’re all more to the left than in the past, more than we realize.

Feel-good, pop-culture liberalism has been like the invasion of the body snatchers.

Mark (7cb211) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:46 pm

114Employers, homeowners, and consumers are Americans too.

True. So it is a question of what is on balance the best level of immigration to promote the interests of current Americans. I think existing levels of immigration particularly illegal immigration are too high and Americans as whole would be better off if they were lower.

James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:46 pm

Levels of illegal immigration are always too high, not just currently. We should have total control of our borders. That is also part of Cruz’s platform that gets lost in the Trumpkin mouth-foamings. Or is it foam-mouthed mouthings?

nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:52 pm

I love the way the same people who have been predicting Trump’s demise since the primaries started expect us to just believe that Trump is DOOMED!1!!1 in an election against Hillary because they say so. They’ve been wrong over and over again. Don’t they ever get tired of being so stupendously wrong 100% of the time? How conceited they must be to believe that unless they approve of a candidate, then that candidate must have no chance of winning the election. Here’s a news flash. We don’t need them. We’d love to have them, but if they want to go over in the corner and sit in your poopy pants all day, they are free to do just that. And don’t be shocked when their views are ignored, again, because they threw a temper tantrum, again.

They even keep recycling the old “Trump gets whipped in closed primaries” nugget of gerbil poop, ignoring that the facts just don’t back them up. Cruz’s only significant wins in a primary were in OPEN states (TX, WI). In fact, Trump has won 7 to Cruz’s 3. The sad fact is that Cruz is only in this race because he has done very well in caucuses. Trouble is, there are no caucuses in the general election. Just voters voting for candidates, indirectly electing electors who don’t vote against the winner of the popular vote in their state. Without back-room deals, faithless delegates, and stacked committees, Cruz would be at the same level as Bush.

Oh, and if you are so sure that it is a slam dunk, take it up with Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:53 pm

115 Pretty much the way they saw it in the old South under Jim Crow.

Not really. Jim Crow stood for favoring white Americans over black Americans not for favoring Americans over foreigners. Do you think it is improper for the American government to favor Americans over foreigners?

James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:53 pm

well it’s a cyclical thing the way crested in the teens, and the anarchist wave after the second world war, shaped the response to that wave, hence the 1920 and 24 immigration bills,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 12:59 pm

in an election against Hillary because they say so.

I don’t mind the criticism of Trump from various Republicans and certainly conservatives because he deserves it and the criticism is rarely, if ever, incorrect. But I do pause when it comes to any of those same people expressing even a bit of tenderness towards — or rationalizing away even a bit of the devoutly liberal crud oozing out of — Hillary, much less the person she hopes to replace.

Mark (7cb211) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:01 pm

All the Trumpkims out gloating today are special. Prowler – good luck alienating 60% of the Republican base and running a faux Republican against someone Trump previously supported, praised, and wrote checks to.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:03 pm

first world war – you know, the few days before Judge Hanen’s restraining order on DAPA, PBS was running “The Italian-Americans” on a continuous loop, if almost to say “Look, it wont turn out so bad after all”.

urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:07 pm

prowlerguy, and I believe you can look it up. I don’t think I predicted Donald Trump’s demise. Indeed I have said repeatedly you won’t go broke betting on infinite human stupidity. Which is effin’ Trump. In spades.

I may not have said it in the exact words, but far from predicting Trump’s demise I would have said this guy would go far.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:15 pm

Compare Jim Crow to discriminating against Foreigners? Oh dear god.

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:15 pm

Mark – Detroit awaits your glorious arrival.

JD (2e3880) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:16 pm

I’m quite interested in Trump’s bringing up a tabloid story linking Ted Cruz’s father to Lee Harvy Oswald.

That got me to thinking… Ted Cruz is from Texas. Kennedy was shot in Texas. Ted Cruz has never, not even once, attempted to prove where he was on November 22nd, 1962 (when Kennedy was shot.). In fact, there is no record, none, of Ted Cruz’s whereabouts during that period – the record is in fact utterly blank for that period and years after, until a medical record places him in Calgary, Canada, on December 22nd, 1970. Therefor, Cruz was one of the Kennedy assassination conspirators.

Hey, it makes every bit as much sense as the National Enquirer story. 🙂

Arizona CJ (da673d) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:17 pm

it’s good allah, all around, you’re dismissing time machines though,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:22 pm

Time machines, how silly of us not to take those into account. Maybe Hillary can get to the bottom of that when she releases all the info about aliens and UFO’s.

JD (2e3880) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:25 pm

whats ted cruz’s father doing with oswald?

jfk wants to know (7addde) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:27 pm

Perry hearts you too, ropelight.

JD (2e3880) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:28 pm

Has Ted Cruz ever proven that he doesn’t have access to a time machine? No, he has not!
/national enquirer mode
🙂

BTW, on a serious note; I suggest not putting too much faith in polls as to what will happen in Indiana today – no matter what our personal desired results happen to be. There are complicating factors, such as early voting. There are also polls showing Trump ahead, and Cruz ahead (and clearly, they can’t both be right). Finally, there’s Michigan; Sanders was polling way behind, around 20 points, and won. Polls are often far less accurate than pollsters like to claim.

Arizona CJ (da673d) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:56 pm

JD @ 126: So now it is 60%??!??!?? I guess in for a dime, in for a dollar. Are you looking that the same election results I am? Because I’m not seeing 40%, let alone 60%. Where, pray tell, did you get that figure from? The same place Ted got his prediction (which he presented as a fact) that Trump would nominate an anti-2A leftist to the Supreme Court?

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:03 pm

Hey, it makes every bit as much sense as the National Enquirer story.

Said the Clintons in the ’90s and the Edwards fans in 2007

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:05 pm

What percentage of the Republican vote, overall, is Trump getting. It is not a majority, correct? If 60% overstates his lack of appeal to Reoublican voters, my sincere apologies. Would your tender sensibilities be soothed if I had said 55%?

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:07 pm

Ropelight – prowler supports wild conspiracy theories too!

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:08 pm

Why wouldn’t he nominate someone that opposes the 2nd amendment, since Trump
Does himself?

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:09 pm

JD lies again:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:17 pm

What wild conspiracy theory do I support, you lying Ted-lite coward?

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:17 pm

Shouldn’t we have a new post on Cruz’ fisking of Trump.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:20 pm

JD,

40% as of today per The Green Papers. The Wino has a 40-41% floor for the GE. The Bag Lady has a 47-48% floor at current subsidy levels.

Rick Ballard (0ef036) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:21 pm

narciso… do you boil those peyote buttons before you eat ’em?

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:21 pm

Shouldn’t we have a new post on Cruz’ fisking of Trump.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:20 pm

==================================

A jolly good fisting would be more emotionally satisfying… no?

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:23 pm

i’m poking fun at such a risible theory, it validates my misgivings about trump,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:23 pm

Prowler – I could give a crap what he currently claims. Before he tried to hijack Team R he claimed to hate guns. Trump’s positions change by the hour, and by the audience.

Prowler – you affirmed the JFK Cruz connection, no?

Mr Ballard – thank you. I understated Trump’s support by a whopping 1%, and prowler almost had a seizure.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:24 pm

Mr. Cruz is so negative and demeaning on Mr. Trump.

I abjure this snooty behavior very much.

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:26 pm

Obama has all sorts of stuff posted on his website, that doesn’t make it accurate. Or true. Or anything along those lines. Trump’s well thought out and considered opinions are subject to change within the hour, i.e. His ability as a leader to make US troops commit war crimes, because … leadership.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:27 pm

Oh, so you want to go back to the part of the race where there were 12 candidates, and claim that because he “only” got 30% then, that indicates that 70% are against him? If that’s that standard, then what percentage has Cruz alienated? 80%? 90%?

When Trump is getting >50% of the vote in CLOSED primary after CLOSED primary, how can you say he has alienated >60%. Perhaps let’s look at a respected polling group with a trend line to look at, shall we?

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/191264/cruz-image-plummets-trump-improves-among-republicans.aspx?g_source=Opinion&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

Maybe you just got your unfavorable/favorable numbers backwards. But even at his worst, Trump’s numbers have never been underwater (not even close) but now Ted does, in fact, have higher unfavorable than favorable. Suck to be you, I guess.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:32 pm

A lot of Republicans will be looking for an alternative to Trump in the general.

I’ve been trying to figure out who we should draft. It needs to be someone from the mainstream who doesn’t mind sacrificing what remains of his career out of a sense of duty to the nation. A good choice would be a loose cannon in his own right and probably someone with a score to settle with Trump.

I’m thinking John McCain.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:32 pm

And waterboarding is not a war crime, no matter how much left-wing zealots like you want to make it so.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:33 pm

Sayeth Trump before he began to hijack Team R

“I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:34 pm

I said nothing about waterboarding, I was referring to his plans to target innocent women and children with attacks by the US military because leadership, prowler. Later he denounced himself.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:35 pm

Of all the votes that have been cast, how many were cast for someone not named Trump? That is the figure I was referring g to, and that Mr Ballard linked to. Ignore it all you want. If it weren’t for Hillary, Trump would have the worst negatives ever. Congrats. That is some feat.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:38 pm

There’s a rumor that Ted Cruz’s great great great grandfather was allegedly seen at the railroad terminal in Washington on July 2, 1881 when President Garfield was shot.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:38 pm

Ya know JD, war crimes are like hate speech, different people see or hear the same thing and one thinks it’s okay the other thinks it’s a crime. Both usually have a credible place when used by a real conservative but we’ve seen how they can be used by leftists so watch where you’re going with that stuff.

Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:38 pm

prowlerguy,

You’re calling JD a left winger, yet YOUR candidate for President has contributed to Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuckie Schumer during the past decade.
(LOL)

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:40 pm

here is an illinois funny

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:41 pm

gotta love today’s internet technology

happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:41 pm

Prowler – I could give a crap what he currently claims. Before he tried to hijack Team R he claimed to hate guns. Trump’s positions change by the hour, and by the audience.

Not unlike Ted’s position on illegal immigration. In the Senate, he (and he alone) introduced an amendment to the immigration reform bill that would have allowed any immigrant in the US to remain, indefinitely, without even the pretense of trying to become a US citizen. He also introduced a bill that would have expanded the H-1B visa program by 500%. So put together, he wanted to screw both the blue collar workers whose jobs are stolen by illegals and skilled workers, whose jobs are given to immigrants who depend on their employer for their visa status, and thus will work for half the wages of a citizen.

So in the past, as a private citizen, Trump expressed dismay over mass killings (but never actually advocating gun control). In your mind, this is the same as introducing legislation that is 100% at odds with your campaign’s positions now.

Prowler – you affirmed the JFK Cruz connection, no?

No, I didn’t. You need to learn to read, you illiterate ankle-biter.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:42 pm

JD’s words speak for themselves, CS. Those who claim water-boarding is a war crime (and thus want Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld convicted of same) are either hard-core leftist or RINOs trying to ingratiate themselves with their DC pals.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:45 pm

Never mind. You don’t care. You are making shlt up about Cruz, since he spoke of the wall long before Trump ever did. When that becomes his starting point for negotiation, I will laugh at you.

In #138 you weren’t expressing your support for the National Enquirer?

That amendment has been discussed ad nauseum for being the poison pill it was designed to be. Your inability or unwillingness to accept that is on you.

Which Trump do we believe? The one that said he hated guns, the one that supported the assault weapons ban and longer waiting periods, or the one that now claims to be the strongest supporter of the 2nd Amndment?

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:48 pm

Prowler – I was not speaking of waterboarding. You made that up. Try reading

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:49 pm

I said nothing about waterboarding, I was referring to his plans to target innocent women and children with attacks by the US military because leadership, prowler. Later he denounced himself.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:50 pm

Need me to repeat that again, prowler? Or maybe I should use smaller words? Would that help?

Hoagie – I was being quite precise. I don’t give a crap that this buffoon can’t read. This specific point has been brought up repeatedly by myself and others here.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:54 pm

prowlerguy,

Your talking points are not on point. But they are just “talk.”
Next time, eat your Wheaties and take a multi-vitamin before you bring that stuff around here.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 2:55 pm

You are making shlt up about Cruz

I’m making up his congressional record? It’s there, if you will only read. Oh, that’s right, you can’t.

In #138 you weren’t expressing your support for the National Enquirer?

I was simply pointing out the fact that casting doubt on a story exclusively because it comes from the Enquirer (especially a political one) is a rather stupid example of an ad-hominem argument, given their track record. On the substance of the story, there isn’t really enough to judge on. There is a photo of a man who certainly resembles a young Rev Cruz handing out pro-Cuba flyers with Oswald. Cruz also fought with Castro during the revolution. On the other side, Cruz claims he was not in New Orleans until later, and he turned against the revolution when it went Marxist. Not much to corroborate on either side.

And on a side note, you can hate guns and support the 2A, much as you can hate the MSM and support the 1A. They are not orthogonal positions.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:01 pm

His support of that amendment as a poison pill has been addressed as nauseum. You refusal to look beyond it on its face, is on you. So, you weren’t supporting the Trump/NE smears about Cruz’s father, but maybe kinda?

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:04 pm

This is the best of the idiocy we can expect between now and NOV. May god have mercy on our collective souls.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:07 pm

Yea, I know Cruz Supporter. That darn Gallup showed that Ted is more unpopular with Republicans that he is popular. But that isn’t on point in a discussion about alienating Republicans.

And pointing out the actual vote tallies, as opposed to the fairy tale of “open primaries” isn’t on-point either.

Nothing matters to the Cruzies. Facts, figures, and especially voters are of no interest to them. After Ted is thrashed again and again and the dream of a contested convention that they can win is stomped to death before their eyes, they will go off in a corner and sulk and cry and spit and throw their poopy diapers all over the room, and insist that Trump can’t win without them.

Then they get to watch as Trump cleans Hillary’s clock in the general, despite their votes for her. And they will cry some more.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:07 pm

prowlerguy,

There’s a signature that looks like Donald Trump’s signature on checks made out to the campaigns of Hillary, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuckie Schumer.
For someone like you, that may not be a problem.
But for actual conservatives, it is.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:07 pm

prowlerguy,

You’re supporting a lifelong Democrat. It just so happens that he’s talking about building a wall, and then he tells an untouchable hottie that she’s bleeding from her wherever, and all that stuff resonates with guys like you.
You’ll go to the mat for The Mr Donald, huh?
(LOL)

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:10 pm

Poison pill my a**. Here are Ted’s thoughts, in Ted’s own words:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529473/ted-cruz-want-immigration-reform-pass

So, was he lying then or lying now? Either way, he is a liar.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:11 pm

Prowler – Trump is more than capable of earning my support. I notice you ignored the rest of the comments that showed you made shlt up about waterboarding

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:12 pm

We have two Stalinists running on the Democrat ticket and a Democrat running, and leading the field, as a Repulican.

This is NOT going to end well.

I wanted to give Trump a chance, and I did. But he has basically said anything and everything over the past several months. I don’t think he has any core beliefs other than doing what is best for Donald Trump RIGHT NOW.

Trump is not a conservative, and he is not even a Republican (although that matters little to me). Anyone who expects trump to govern as a “conservative” is deluding themselves and will be disabused of these notions shortly after the general election.

The choice appears to come down to who America hates least, and Trump seems to be losing that battle right now. Of course, anything can change between now and November BUT the media is going to turn on Trump after the primaries just like they turned on McCain and Romney. It is hard to beat a Democrat and the media. I suspect they will eventually reveal Trump was their UUUUGE joke on the GOP all along and way too many people fell for it.

The Republic is in dire, existential danger.

WarEagle82 (5bf75f) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:15 pm

Just as you are voting AGAINST Trump, I am voting AGAINST the DC political establishment of BOTH parties. BOTH parties long ago stopped putting the needs of the American people first. BOTH parties are guilty of crony capitalism. BOTH parties are guilty of corruption and graft and perversion of the Constitution. I doubt you would argue with any of those points. But yet you expect me to support a life-long politician who has served the most RINO of RINOs, who continues to feed at the public trough.

You can stand with that establishment if you wish. That is your right. But don’t even pretend to be a patriot or a free thinker or a true conservative, because the status quo is none of those things.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:17 pm

mao and chiang kai shek, guzman and fujimori, lets be creative with our godwin violation,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:17 pm

If anyone reading these comments had any last remaining doubt about prowlerguy’s spectacular dishonesty, just read this whopper (#163):

So in the past, as a private citizen, Trump expressed dismay over mass killings (but never actually advocating gun control).

This is what’s called “lying through your teeth,” not merely exaggerating, not merely misstating something, but deliberately telling a material falsehood for the intended purpose of deceiving people.

In 2000, Donald Trump wrote a book called “The America We Deserve.” In it, you’ll read this:

It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. After a tragedy like the massacre at Columbine High School, anyone could feel that it is too easy for Americans to get their hands on weapons. But nobody has a good solution. This is another issue where you see the extremes of the two existing major parties. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within seventy-two hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Supporting an “assault rifle” ban and longer waiting periods for all gun purchases is clearly not the same thing as “expressing dismay over mass killings.” Only someone trying to lie to you would ever so contend.

Even Trump’s supposed “general oppos[ition]” to gun control as of in 2000 was a sham, as his criticisms of the NRA and GOP make clear. Indeed, what that comparison actually tells us — besides the fact that prowlerguy is a methodical liar — is that Trump, in his own unprompted words in his own damned book, adopted and used both the language and means of the Left. That’s because he’s a progressive Democrat in his tiny black heart.

Beldar (fa637a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:19 pm

(The link to Reason in my comment above contains less than the full quote from the book; here’s a link to the more complete quote, including the reference to the Democrats.)

Beldar (fa637a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:21 pm

As I said, Cruz needs to cut a deal with Trump to “own” the Senate and the House.

Cruz can have a great impact in the Legislative Branch whiling allowing the Idiot to be POTUS..

Let the two figure it out and move on to beat Hitlery.

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:22 pm

Oh, I’m so sorry about that JD. The oversight was not intentional, but CS has a lot of hateful lies that need tending to. I was mistaken. Your “war crimes” was not in reference to water boarding. My mistake. My apologies. But to be fair, you did not specify in your post which “war crime” you were referring to, and waterboarding has come up here before. It would have been nice if it had taken less than 22 minutes to finally state your position. But I was mistaken and apologize.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:24 pm

I generally oppose gun control,

From your own smoking gun. Not exactly the anti-2A position that Cruz (and you) accuse him of.

And my “dismay” comment came from the reaction of Cruzites when they found his tweet after Obama’s speech after Sandy Hook. You are so all over the map it is hard to figure out which wild conspiracy theory you are running with right now.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:28 pm

OH look, the slimy ambulance chaser from TX speaks. No, the other one, not Ted. Are they all like that in TX?

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:31 pm

Off to go see Ted get his butt whipped on national TV, and hopefully we can get some cryin’ Cruz supporters running for their safe spaces on the record too. A good night of TV ahead.

prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:32 pm

It was reported this morning on CBS This Morning taht although the latest polls showed Hillary leading bernie by 50-46 therewere some signs the Hillary Clinton was secretly very worried about losing Indiana, and West Virginia, too.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:33 pm

BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:19 am

19.It’s small consolation, but Athens went thru the same process in 450 – 404BC.

Pericles negotiated a secret peace with Persia at that time. Persia suopplied money which Pericles used to rebuild the Acropolis. He also built a temple, but under the strict conditions that it could not be used for idol worship.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:36 pm

Bob Schieffer just delivered a few minutes ago a commentary on the CBS Evening News on things nobody would have expected that happened in this Presdidential campaign. He said maybe it is not a low but we’re in the deep end. It sounds like he ddi it now becaus eothey think it may be over.

It’ll probably be up here soon:

http://www.cbsnews.com/evening-news/

He mentioned a man flying around on his private hjet appealing to the working poor. A candidate explaimnng collecting $600,000 for speeches from bankers by saying “Well, that’s what they offered”

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:44 pm

Prowlerguy, idiot, you need those supporters to win in November. Don’t be such a (dumb) dick.

Memo, same advice I would give the Cruz people. STFU, you need Trump supporters even if you think Trump an idiot (as I do).

Rodney King's Spirit (db6706) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:48 pm

Put the right people around Trump, like Jeff Sessions on immigration, and you get great policy. Our job is to get the right people around Trump. (And to shoot Chuck Schumer if he gets within 100 meters.)

luagha (ee6350) — 5/3/2016 @ 9:08 am

You’re out of your mind. And I’ll tell you why.

Just days after Sessions endorsed Trump (after earlier, in my humble opinion, having purchased Sessions’ own policy with cash or favors and slapping his gold lamé logo on it), Trump doubled back on the spur of a moment brought to him by his nemesis, Megyn Kelly:

Republican Donald Trump nows says “we need highly skilled people in this country,” so he’s “changing” and “softening” his position on H1-B visas.

At Thursday night’s debate hosted by Fox News, moderator Megyn Kelly noted that Trump’s campaign website says that more visas for highly skilled workers would “decimate American workers.” But at one of the Republican debates, Trump “spoke enthusiastically in favor of these visas. So, which is it?” Kelly asked.

“I’m changing. I’m changing,” Trump responded. “We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have […] So, we do need highly skilled, and one of the biggest problems we have is people go to the best colleges. They’ll go to Harvard, they’ll go to Stanford, they’ll go to Wharton, as soon as they’re finished they’ll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they’re not able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.

“So you’re abandoning the position on your website,” Kelly said.

“I’m changing it, and I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.”

Trump’s campaign walked that back just minutes after the debate.

Get it through your skull: Trump says schtuff to get him through the next news cycle, sucking all the oxygen out of the proverbial room and putting the opposition on the defensive with irrelevant ad hominem attacks that guys like Bill O’Reilly call “news.”

This is the guy. He’s not changing. And you’re ready to trust him with four years at the helm of this country?

Like I said, you’re out of your mind.

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:51 pm

Scheiffer needs to take his liver pills and crawl back in bed.

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:52 pm

WarEagle… NOT ENUF CAPS, take yer blue pill, you have a case of electile dysfunction

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:56 pm

Exit polling shows that Ted won late-deciders.

I’ll take some comfort in that my efforts helped create this nice piece of reality.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:58 pm

Idiocracy is real! De-evolution is real!

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:58 pm

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 3:51 pm

Get it through your skull: Trump says schtuff to get him through the next news cycle,

But they can’t, because it boggles their mind that someone would be that cynical.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:02 pm

Two thumbs up for Ed!

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:03 pm

Fox calls it for Trump

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:04 pm

We’re all Trumpkins now.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:04 pm

prowlerguy, the high point of my day has been demonstrating — through your words here, and your candidate’s words in his book — that you are a flat-out liar. Runner-up was reading your response, in which you did exactly what your candidate does when he’s called on his lies — you made something up, something utterly insupportable, personal, and vile — and hurled it at me.

I don’t pity you, but I very much pity the people who have to live with you. I’m glad I’m not one, and while I reserve the right to continue exposing your falsehoods, this will be the last time you and I converse directly here.

Beldar (fa637a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:05 pm

Ropelight blows.

Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:05 pm

ropelight blew and the white foam flew, and the voters followed free.
We were the first to burst into that joyous glee.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:09 pm

If Trump wins by 20 points tonight, it is pretty well all over. Cruz is NOT going to make any gains in California.

I don’t think anyone thought this cycle would play out this way 6 months ago.

Again, the Republic faces an existentialist threat.

American won’t be the same with either a Trump or Clinton presidency. And I don’t mean that in a good way.

WarEagle82 (5bf75f) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:11 pm

The question is, not by what percentage Trump wins over Cruz, but what percentage he gets. 40%, 45% or over 50%. Many people may have decided they are not going to cast strategic votes for Cruz.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:13 pm

As an aside, as someone who has been intermittently commenting here for *thirteen years* … I’ve never seen the rancor as high as this.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:15 pm

There’s also the Kasich factor. If that idiot would’ve gotten out sooner, Cruz might have had a chance. Glad to see the late deciders went Cruz, but its too little too late.

I think we have to accept that Trump will be the nominee. And also accept that Clinton will be president. We now need to focus on the down ticket races, hoping to keep at least the House, and hopefully the Senate.

Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:16 pm

I second that.

felipe (325ff3) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:17 pm

There is a deep irony to me in that the wing of GOP voters the Left loooooves to deride as ignorant, know-nothing, Jesus freaks demonstrated these very traits and in the process, have handed them their all-time greatest general election, across and down all ballots. The Senate is gone and the House is actually in jeopardy.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:17 pm

The rancor’s never been this high before. And, Cruz Supporter, nk, Kevin, Gerald, Steve57, Beldar, et al are responsible.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:18 pm

I seconded aphrael’s sentiment.

felipe (325ff3) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:18 pm

prowlerguy,

Are you really as angry at Megyn Kelly as The Mr Donald is?
Sad!

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:18 pm

Add Ed to my list.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:19 pm

Lyin’ Ted admits in meltdown presser he lied about Trump all these months.

He really doesn’t like him. Another lie. Ted just doesn’t get it.

DCSCA (a343d5) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:20 pm

oh yes it has been over macho grande, subsequent retractions were few and far between,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:21 pm

I think in order for that to work, Sen. Toomey, Sen. Portman, Sen. Kirk, and Sen. Ayotte need to start running away from Mr. Trump *now*.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:21 pm

I think Kevin has said that the only value to registering in a party now in Califronia is to vote in a Presidential primary. The only other thing that happens is that somebody gets political mail.

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:21 pm

#191: RKS, I am an agnostic, so Cruz’s appeal to religious fervor has no claim on me, but I need my self respect a heck of lot more than I need to work-, let alone vote-, for Trump. I am a delegate to the State Convention, but if Cruz is out of the race, meaning Trump is assured the nomination, I will not go. This will save my family well over $1,000. Nor will I submit my name for election as the PCO (Precinct Committee Officer) in my neighborhood in the coming election. I am too old to throw away a life of discretion and temperance on some flotsam and jetsam like Trump. I know the people who will assume my neighborhood role in a Trump candidacy, and I suppose I wish them well. But in my town with about 45 precincts, fewer than five Trumpeteers will answer the call. So more than likely the spot will remain vacant. And those five, spread over the rest of the town, are living in an alternate universe.

The only thing conservatives who believe in the concept of constitutional government with rights derived from individuals can do at this point is look carefully at their Congressional and Senate candidates, and work hard for those who deserve support, and ignore the fools who only seek reassurance that they are members of the elite … meaning employable on “K” after the voters figure them out.

BobStewartatHome (404986) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:21 pm

207. Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:16 pm

There’s also the Kasich factor. If that idiot would’ve gotten out sooner, Cruz might have had a chance.

In many, many, states, Kasich is stronger than Cruz. Kasich may be a stand-in for “Somebody else”

Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:23 pm

Sammy – he’s right. Aside from the presidential primary and the party central committee, partisan registration is meaningless. For other races, the ‘primary’ is all candidates from all parties, and the general election is the top two candidates regardless of party.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:23 pm

The rancor’s never been this high before. And, Cruz Supporter, nk, Kevin, Gerald, Steve57, Beldar, et al are responsible.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:18 pm

And you, and prowlerguy, and happyfeet, et al are totally innocent right? Just like Cruz’s dad is guilty of killing JFK?

Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:24 pm

We can all agree that our world is in the midst of many revolutions. Economic, technological, robotics, AI, scientific. It is unsurprising that political revolutions follow in its wake.

Many pies are going to grow, shrink, transform, appear, and disappear. Those who perceive themselves in danger of losing life, liberty, livelihood, or power will all fight.

The choices of our next President will determine only how many die in those struggles already begun, not if.

I could wish for someone with the persuasive skills of Trump and the constitutional skills of Cruz, but none was on option.

luagha (ee6350) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:30 pm

The primary person responsible for the animus is Trump himself, imo.

We have no idea who the president will be or how it will happen.
It is in the hands of the one’s doj, and who he wants to be his Mendeyv (sp)

I am disturbed to think people who consider themselves “evangelical Christians” voted for Trump,
knowledge of theology is on par with the “knowledge” of lots of other things.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:32 pm

ropelight, Patterico has the capacity to vet participation on this board, and he made a great mistake when he failed to put you on his spam filter. You are a sick, angry, ignorant person immersed in self-delusions. And you are not alone. You have just published an enemies list, and I regret that I am not on it. I don’t hide behind a stage name.

If I were a progressive, meaning I believed in the therapeutic effectiveness of the last century of psychology and pharmacology, I would encourage you to seek treatment. But progressivism is a myth, as are mind altering drugs, and there is no treatment for what ails you.

BobStewartatHome (404986) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:33 pm

ropeliar,

You support a vulgar, obscene candidate who has called Carly Fiorina “too ugly to be President” and who has said that Megyn Kelly was “bleeding from her wherever.”
Yet you accuse the people who object to that kind of talk as the people who are actually profane.
Oh, ropeliar…go back to reading about your Loch Ness Monster conspiracies, eh?

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:34 pm

> as are mind altering drugs [a myth]

i’m pretty certain that mind altering drugs aren’t mythological.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:34 pm

My loser ballot.

I voted Cruz, Stutzman for Senate, and Peterman for the House. Each were clearly the conservative choice, although Young is pretty darn good (think a Rubio).

I’ll be that Young loses thanks to GOP conservatives staying home, just as they did with Romney in 2012. Congressman Walorski, who was a yooge Boehner acolyte, and is in what should be a pretty safe seat, is in major trouble. If South Bend Dhimmicrats smell blood in the water, and/or are fevered to vote for HRC, Walorski is gone.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:37 pm

210. The rancor’s never been this high before. And, Cruz Supporter, nk, Kevin, Gerald, Steve57, Beldar, et al are responsible.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:18 pm

Thank the Lord! A couple of hours ago you were claiming I hadn’t said anything memorable enough to deserve individual mention.

I take it Trumpy the insult clown won Indiana?

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:39 pm

I ain’t got noplace to go.

There may be trouble ahead
But while there’s moonlight
And music and love and romance
Let’s face the music and dance

SarahW (67599f) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:39 pm

Bob, I didn’t publish an enemies list. I pointed the finger at the hate mongers who tried to silence opposing points of view. They’re the angry curs. You didn’t make the list because your commments, although wrongheaded, didn’t have the personal hatred characteristic of the others, till now.

I’ll give you a dishonorable mention.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:44 pm

‘feets is laughing all the way to pulling the lever for Hillary.

Rope, come November, you will be crying that all of us Cruzers cost Trump the general election.

It will be silly, because the doors will be blown off, but you will still claim Trump was betrayed.

Steven Malynn (4bc33a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:47 pm

Steve, I don’t want to hurt your feelings again so I threw you a bone.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:48 pm

I was right about Trump right from the beginning and now I’ll take the next step: if Hillary runs against Trump he’ll win in a landslide.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:50 pm

We’re all Trumpkins now.

To quote Victor Laszlo, “I’ve never accepted that privilege”

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:50 pm

228. I ain’t got noplace to go.

SarahW (67599f) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:39 pm

Sure, there’s always someplace to go. And I appreciate the “Officer and a Gentleman” riff.

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2016/02/fullbore-friday_12.html

It’s not always to the bottom. Lifeboats are lifeboats for a reason.

16 years pass. You are 60 years old. History, as it does, intervenes.

Your nation is at war again. There is only one thing to do. You volunteer. You go to sea. You get Command.

Folks, I present to you a man, and officer, of the highest caliber. If you need to measure yourself by others – you could do much worse than Captain Edward Coverley Kennedy, RN.

His command at age 60? HMS Rawalpindi, built in 1925, an Armed Merchant Cruiser (a converted passenger ship). The ship you go to war with.

SCHARNHORST and GNEISENAU were … 38,000 tons and armed with nine 11-inch guns as their main armament and twelve 5.9-inch guns as their secondary battery. With a speed of 31 knots and a crew of over 1450 sailors, they were at the time the most advanced battleships built by Germany.

…The British ship stood no chance. Kennedy took immediate evasive action but was outrun. Ordered to surrender, he faced a momentous choice — whether to give in or to fight.

Turning to his chief engineer, he remarked calmly: “We’ll fight them both, they’ll sink us, and that will be that. Goodbye.” They shook hands.

The Rawalpindi’s first salvos hit the Gneisenau but fell short of the Scharnhorst. Both ships opened fire, to devastating effect. Fifteen minutes later it was all over…

Cheers, Sarah.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:53 pm

I wish I wasn’t right about Trump.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:54 pm

http://www.norseboat.com/NorseBoats.html

I intend to make Fiji by July at the latest.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:57 pm

ropeliar,

You’re just angry at those of us on your enemies list because we dare to speak truth to insanity. You’ve smeared the Bush family and the Hinckley family, and now you attack anyone who speaks up against The Mr Donald Corleone.

Donald Corleone contributed money to Harry Reid, and you have a soft spot for him as a result.

Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:57 pm

MD, take 2 aspirins and get a good night’s sleep. You’ll feel better in the morning.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:58 pm

“I am disturbed to think people who consider themselves “evangelical Christians” voted for Trump, knowledge of theology is on par with the “knowledge” of lots of other things.” – MD in Philly

Ditto. I have little experience with evangelicals, so I’m don’t know what to make of it, though it leaves me wondering about the moral calculus involved in embracing Trump and rejecting Cruz. My preconception has always been that evangelicals are social conservative/”values voters.” Maybe that’s been oversold.

Since many of these Trump-backing evangelicals are also southerners, perhaps it is more a reflection of southern culture than evangelical belief. Mormons, on the other hand, seem to loathe Shorty, but they’re westerners.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:59 pm

i’m pretty certain that mind altering drugs aren’t mythological

Point taken, I was referring to their professed “therapeutic” efficacy. We’ve chemically lobotomized a sizable fraction of a generation of young boys whose crime was that they didn’t behave like girls.

BobStewartatHome (404986) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:59 pm

235. I wish I wasn’t right about Trump.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:54 pm </blockquote'

Me, too, brother. But we both know we're right, and what's worse, the Trumpanzees will never admit they're wrong no matter how much evidence piles up.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:01 pm

I’ve never seen the rancor as high as this.

As I said, this is visceral. It’s like seeing your home town bombed. The hijacking of the GOP by people who have never lifted a single finger to get it to where it was — the biggest majorities in a century and 31 statehouses controlled absolutely, just waiting for a rational Presidential candidate to roll up a century of Democrat rule…

But no. We get this sh1theel. Voted in mostly by unemployable drunks blaming their “bad luck” on Mexicans and women who don’t respect the proper place of the white man. And so, all of it utterly wasted. By the time we get it back, the Supreme Court will have 17 Communists on it.

Trump won’t make America great. Trump won’t make America anything because he’s going to lose. And in doing so, he’ll take down out last best chance for victory.

So, yes. The rancor is high. Because these mamzers have contributed to a catastrophe and they have not the wit to understand.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:02 pm

As I’ve said before, civil war is closer than we think.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:03 pm

It looks like Trump will win Indiana by +16% give or take a point.

I am an evangelical Christian and I don’t see how an evangelical Christian could ever vote for Trump. From what Trump has said and done, he seems to be barely a cultural Christian. I don’t ever recall him speaking of a conversion experience. He knows nothing of the Bible.

It looks like the race will come down to Trump versus any Democrat NOT indicted by the FBI before the general election.

God save the Republic because we surely won’t do it.

WarEagle82 (5bf75f) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:06 pm

God save the Republic because we surely won’t do it.

If He’s inclined, I have a suggestion…

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:07 pm

Kevin, I recommend curling up with a good book for a few days. No civil war, secession or other hysterical things will occur. If Cruz had bested Trump you would be telling a Trumper what I am telling you.

spokanebob (a59bb9) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:11 pm

I do need to remind this board, when some of you, decided one candidate who was more naive and worthy then trump, was depicted as a crook, corrupt, and borderline crazy, she was a born again who chose to share her faith, to battle in the media, and they went with the now former counsel for aljazeera, and led the way to searchlight’s poodle, chris coons, subsequently we discovered ‘the rest of the story’ who when some of you jump to the wrong conclusions, you break your shins doing it,

narciso (732bc0) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:14 pm

245. …If He’s inclined, I have a suggestion…

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:07 pm

He brought the sword, Kevin.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:15 pm

We’re all Trumpkins now.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 4:04 pm

To that, I say what I said when in February 2009 Newsweek said “We’re All Socialists Now”:

Like hell!

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:26 pm

Pat asks in a tweet a few moments ago, “What, now?”

I’ll answer here: The Big, Bad, Wolf is at the door and the fool pigs (Significant majority of Americans) who refused to believe it possible are about to be slaughtered.

My guess is we will see a de facto suspension of the Bill of Rights within 10 years at some point. It is likely that we will be in the throes of an epic economic collapse, which will serve as the trigger. Temporary or not, I’m not sure. That ends the American Republic and experiment.

What emerges won’t necessarily by dystopian, but it very well could be.

My best advice to anyone is to max out on the enjoyment of the beauty and (albeit shrinking) bounty America now enjoys. We won’t see anything like it within 25 years.

Ironically enough, that makes me a new “live for today” pig without a reasonable shelter for the coming storm! Go figure.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:29 pm

We’re all Trumpkins now.

ropelight (5c7740)

Over my dead body …

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:29 pm

Bob,

You really do not understand. This is not just a win or a loss. I don’t give two craps about Ted Cruz, but I do care that Donald Trump not be President. It is an existential mistake. The election now devolves into two catastrophic choices. At this point I think Hillary is a better choice because her stupidities will be bounded.

I will not feel better about this next week, or next month, or next year. Maybe after Trump is dead and I can sh1t on his grave.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:31 pm

Goodbye, Republican party.

Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:33 pm

A recommended book: Flashback by Dan Simmons. America 25 years from now, drug-addled and run by Japanese advisers. He blamed Obama, but he will probably have to update it if Trump wins.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:33 pm

I also know confessing evangelical Christians who liked Obama…

Alinsky’s patron spirit can appear as an angel of light and deceive many

Either Trump or Obama, plain to me as 1+1=/3 in terms of on the side of good.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:34 pm

I also take comfort that Ted is getting out with grace and class before the odious Kasich decides to accept the will of the people.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:37 pm

The people chose Barabbas.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:39 pm

Long winded Ted Cruz is on FOX NEWS now speaking to his supporters while the legend below states:

TED CRUZ TO DROP OUT OF GOP PRIMARY RACE.

ropelight (5c7740) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:39 pm

Cruz stunk in the deep south.
N.Y. values statement should have had the names of N.Y. liberals intertwined in the statement.
Cruz’s father should have kept quiet.
Florina was a complete flop.

mg (31009b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:40 pm

Fiorina.

mg (31009b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:40 pm

Col.-41
effing hilarious.

mg (31009b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:42 pm

I do think its unfair to saddle Shorty and his followers with all of this.

Just a few days ago, John Boehner reminded us of not only the immorality of the party elite, but also of the negligence of conservative opinion leaders for not holding the Boehners accountable. By any standard, John Boehner is a reprehensible human being, but did we ever hear about it while he was Speaker. Did we hear anything about the even more reprehensible Hasters?

George Will thinks we should band against Trump? Where was he over the past two decades? He sure wasn’t holding the elite responsible for their duplicity. Where was Will standing up for Cruz when he filibustered? On the other side, that’s where. John Boehner, George Will and a very long line of mainstream Republicans are holding the door open for Trump. Let’s not forget that.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:43 pm

252. Bob,

You really do not understand. This is not just a win or a loss. I don’t give two craps about Ted Cruz…

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:31 pm

Kevin, they should not have won. In a sane world this wouldn’t happen. They won,

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:49 pm

257 – MD That is precisely what I said to my new friends at the local Cruz campaign HQ earlier today.

It would be wonderful if we were looking at only three days for the ultimate victory we desire, though. Ominously, it appears we have been promised a pretty bad end.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:51 pm

Well,
Even many of those who knew the joy of the ultimate victory in 3 days,
Were around 40 years later or so to see the earthly outworking of the choice that was made.

May the ropelights of the world remember their role when the time comes
Unless His mercy intervenes in another way first.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 5:59 pm

Ed, do you think Pence’s backing down on the legislative fight disillusioned many?
Did he even have more influence at this time to help Cruz if he had wanted to?

The screams of a few have held so much power…

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:02 pm

Allright. Enough whining. First of all, I’m not convinced Cruz is out. Second of all, so what? Do you go nuts over cheap losses? I don’t know about the rest of you but I’ll be back. It won’t be the first time I looked into some smoking hole and clawed out.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:06 pm

The people chose Barabbas.

And if the people had chosen Jesus instead, would there ever had been a Good Friday or an Easter?

WTP (094b61) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:08 pm

242 … The hijacking of the GOP by people who have never lifted a single finger to get it to where it was …

They contributed their votes, votes that the GOP needs. If you build a movement dependent on people you do not like or respect (“unemployable drunks”) you need to be careful to keep your true opinion to yourself lest it all come crashing down when they realize they are being played for fools.

James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:09 pm

I just realized something pretty great: California media just lost out on millions and millions in campaign revenue!

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:09 pm

Ed, did you see my questions above?

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:11 pm

Cruz lost this on his own. He let Trump run wild the first part of the campaign, using him to drive out as many candidates as possible and hoping to pick up Trump’s support when he “inevitably” faded.

I don’t believe that’s true, and I don’t think the record will reflect that. Everyone who went foursquare after Trump was decimated, and the ones who strategically refused to do so — Cruz and Kasich — were the last two standing. I don’t think there’s anything that Cruz could’ve done that would have made a difference because — as Frank Luntz said in that focus group study that made his legs shake — it didn’t matter what the hell Trump said, a large percentage of Republicans wanted him. Too damned large.

It’s been pretty clear to me for the past eleven months that I overestimated the median intelligence of the Republican electorate. I thought that the reason why there had not yet been a GOP version of Obama (or, for that matter, Bill Clinton) is because that sort of cockeyed hero worship was improbable among people who thought that the Constitution, competence, and traditional values were important. I believed that when people matured and drifted to the right, that meant they had less faith in any one person than in the process — a process that doesn’t work when you tinker with it to resemble those that have failed around the world.

But as I’ve slowly watched the Grand Old Party morph into the Donner Party, I’ve come to realize that Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber, when he was caught on video bragging to his Ivy League egghead buddies about how he brilliantly fooled the “stupid” American voters with their short attention spans, was spot on. He may have been specifically talking about Democrats who would’ve revolted against legislators who supported the Obama version of Romneycare if they had been fully informed, but he sure was right about the short attention spans. What’s worse about Trump-humpers’ squirrel-distracted minds is that they watched this sort of thing happen in 2008. They seethed as they watched mind-numbed worshipers tout the supposed legendary greatness of a man based on a stirring stump speech and a bumper-sticker slogan. And now they are the numbed ones. So numbed, that when he told them without a twinge of fear that they would stick by him if he murdered someone on the streets of New York in broad daylight, they cheered. They agreed, they would let him get away with murder.

And they love that about themselves.

Think about that. For more than a few seconds. And then say “How dare you!” when he’s compared to the world’s most despised tyrants.

Stupid American Voters now come in two flavors: Donkey, and Elephant.

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:14 pm

Steve57,

Right. It’s too early to throw in the towel. Let’s wait until the process is complete.

With two thoroughly reprehensible nominees, the time has never been better for a third-party candidate. That will be the next step, after the convention.

I don’t sit home. Most of us need somebody to vote for. For me, it may be Gary Johnson, but it will be somebody. In my home congressional district, we threw out the repulsive Pete Stark using the newly adopted open primary system. I can see how putting up a moderate between the hated Clinton and Trump could work. That’s why I suggested McCain, above.

If we don’t get Cruz, at a minimum, the strategy should be to force congress to pick the winner after a dead-heat election.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:17 pm

269 242 … The hijacking of the GOP by people who have never lifted a single finger to get it to where it was …

They contributed their votes, votes that the GOP needs. If you build a movement dependent on people you do not like or respect (“unemployable drunks”) you need to be careful to keep your true opinion to yourself lest it all come crashing down when they realize they are being played for fools.
James B. Shearer (1f62d7) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:09 pm

I worked on the Broden campaign. I went door to door. Which means I placed my life on the line. And it was worth it down in Oak Cliff.

Steve57 (412496) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:18 pm

In my home congressional district, we threw out the repulsive Pete Stark using the newly adopted open primary system.

Eric Smalwell is a liberal Dem too. He’s just not a total a-hole, which Pete Stark was. Given a choice between a Republican and a-hole Stark, they picked a-hole for forty damn years.

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:20 pm

After all, as the generally stupid Karl Rove figured out 16 years ago, a lot of Independents and Republicans sit out elections. These same folks have now given us Trump. Since they haven’t voted for our guys, why should we feel any compunction about not voting for theirs? I sure won’t. Just say no.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:22 pm

LN Smithee, this is a digression, but: I’m not familiar enough with Rep. Stark to understand the description of him as a “total a-hole”. Could you elaborate?

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:24 pm

LN Smithee, this is a digression, but: I’m not familiar enough with Rep. Stark to understand the description of him as a “total a-hole”. Could you elaborate?

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:24 pm

Google his name along with “voice mail,” “town hall”, and “out the window” for starters.

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:26 pm

LN Smithee – yikes. That’s awful, and precisely the kind of thing I don’t want from *anyone*, let alone an elected official.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:28 pm

Oops. Sorry, MD.

There were three basic fights in my opinion as the last legislative session was closing. 1) Sex rights, 2) Making sure Common Core stayed dead here, but dumping the unique to Indiana testing Pence sheparded, and 3) Roads funding. Pence refused to agree to a super-sensible long-term funding mechanism and ratio that the GOP leaders, and the people, wanted. We came within a whisker of losing out on any significant road fixes this Summer. Pence got his way by spending $400 million of the $2 billion in the state’s rainy day fund he had zealously (ruthlessly?) built up.

I believe Pence made the correct political decision to walk away from the sex rights fight. He’s gonna retain more squishy RINO support, which as we all saw tonight is becoming the predominant force in the Indiana GOP, as opposed to disaffected moral majority types who may stay home.

Yes. If Pence had come out swinging as early and in the manner Walker did, it would have made a big difference. I very much doubt it would have prevented Trump from winning, though.

Pence is in yuge trouble now. I think he will lose. It’s possible the Trumpists may come out in droves and carry him, but I think the down ballot here is in enormous trouble.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:28 pm

LN Smithee – yikes. That’s awful, and precisely the kind of thing I don’t want from *anyone*, let alone an elected official.

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:28 pm

Apparently, there are some people who might’ve voted for Stark if he was an “R” and not a “D.” Because that’s the sort of guy Trump is.

L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:34 pm

Ed from SFV – what do you make of Young’s chances in the General?

aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:35 pm

aphrael – The same thing, and he has a bigger disadvantage with a super-low name recognition as of tonight. It is a major plus for him that he beat Hill to win his House seat, so presumably Hill will not enjoy a solid base in his home CD. Being a retired Marine is nice, too. However, Donnelly won the Lugar seat largely because Romney kept a ton of GOP voters from bothering. This, I believe, will be the decisive dynamic again.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:41 pm

I am not sure that it is the squishy rino types that came out
I think there has been the rise of the “I’m tired of being pi**ed on types”
Which includes those of”traditional values” without the grace and love of Christ.

I think a lot of people have had it with being told they need to bake a cake or else,
People who are not loving of those with issues and differences,
But people who want the Chicago way,
You push me,
I’ll hit you.

That is what I have said for a long time,
If you refuse to reason with people when reason is possible,
You will not be able to reason with them later.
You dictate what people are allowed to do, they will resent it.
You try to dictate to the majority what they should do,
Don’t be surprised when they refuse.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:42 pm

Cruz just announced he’s suspending his campaign.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:50 pm

Smithee, Little Lord Fortney was one of the biggest D-bags to ooze down the Hershey Highway.

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2016 @ 6:52 pm

MD – I would suggest that Pence never carried the same weight with the Legislature and electorate that Daniels ever did.

Ed – Young is a pretty compelling person, more of a Cotton type, and I would be really surprised if he didn’t carry the day.

JD (52076d) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:07 pm

JD – Certainly valid beliefs. A month ago, I would have bet most anything Trump could not win Indiana by 10 points, let alone 15. And yes, Pence is no Daniels. He was rare. A Doc Bowen with an edge.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:11 pm

Check out Larry Sabato’s first electoral map, DJT vs. HRC. If anything, I think he is generous to DJT – who loses 347-191.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:38 pm

Ed from SFV,

Thanks for all the work you did for Cruz in Indiana.

ThOR (df0186) — 5/3/2016 @ 7:41 pm

Remember all the calling the Cruz phone banks did in/near Evansville I told you about?

Trump carried that county (Vanderburgh) 451K to 315K. Just wow.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:15 pm

Kindly disregard my last post (291) I completely misread the Secretary of State’s results page. I quoted statewide results.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 8:26 pm

My reading of the Indiana SOS site indicates that Vanderburgh County went 14K – 9K for Trump.

Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:04 pm

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