Trump to Cruz: My Wife Is Hot And Yours Is Ugly
I was not going to write about the “Trump attacking Cruz wife” thing because somehow it seemed like another desperate attempt for media by Trump. But it’s escalated to the point where I want to explain to Trumpeters exactly what they are supporting. They are supporting this:
"@Don_Vito_08: "A picture is worth a thousand words" @realDonaldTrump #LyingTed #NeverCruz @MELANIATRUMP pic.twitter.com/5bvVEwMVF8"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2016
Trump supporters, this was predictable and you own it. Sean Hannity, you own this. Sarah Palin, you own this. Chris Christie, Rick Scott, Newt Gingrich, Scott Brown . . . you own it.
This got started when one of those super-PACs, in this case not even one that supports Cruz but just one that opposes Trump, put out a picture of Melania Trump naked. Dana blogged about that here. Cruz had nothing to do with it. How do we know that? When even a straight Trump sycophant like Sean Hannity admits it, you know it’s true:
Earlier I said a pro-Cruz PAC pushed the Melania ad. Incorrect, the group has no affiliation with Cruz & as I said, Cruz condemned it
— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) March 24, 2016
There is no excuse for what Trump is doing.
But of course, it will make many Trump supporters even more proud of the guy. Because supporters like that are sick, twisted, dark people. And there are a lot of them.
Mr. Trump has a point. The First Lady is going to be in the public eye a lot for 8 years. Who would you rather look at, Mrs. Cruz or Mrs. Trump?
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 7:50 amYou’re an idiot, Boris.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 7:57 amAnd you accuse Mr. Trump’s supporters of being vulgar, huh?
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 7:58 amYou can look at any store-window display manikin and see “Mrs. Trump” No. 3.
And I don’t think this will work out well for Trump, for that reason. Not with most men and women.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 7:59 amI think it will work out fine. Note that Mr. Trump is also not too subtly underlining his wealth and success which allows him to have a supermodel wife.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:03 amHot! Sounds like Bela Lugosi when she speaks. What’s not to like?
Colonel Haiku (232ecf) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:11 amPatterico, I’m surprised that you are so outraged that there are a lot of sick, twisted, dark people. In your profession, you deal with such types 9 to 5. It is my belief that far more lefties fit your description than any other political persuasion, because the doctrine of the ends justify the means frees them from considerations of conscience and responsibility for unplanned consequences. Community organizers, for example, use them as storm troopers to block highways, and if that doesn’t do the job, to blow up police stations and political opponents. All at arms length of course.
So a few of them are attracted to Trump, so what. I’ve done a fair amount of neighborhood politicking and I can assure you that a lot of people who support Republicans (other than Trump) can be rather unpleasant. But we give the vote to all these people, and it really doesn’t do much good to imply that all Trump supporters are somehow tainted or responsible for the attitudes of a few. Indeed, the incident that started this whole thing was done by a woman who wasn’t a Cruz supporter, she was just a nasty, sick, twisted person who wanted to harm Trump.
But Trump’s response is despicable, and I think we should focus on that. It is, after all, a replay of his school yard taunt of Carly Fiorina. We’ve seen this before, and it suggests this is the kind of person Trump really is.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:12 amBoris, it’s not so much that we accuse Team Trump of being vulgar as it is that Team Trump reveal themselves to be vulgar.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:14 am“Vote for me, because the other guy’s wife is ugly!” is gutter politics.
Torcer (55f1cc) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:15 am
Let’s look at the husbands, too.
This is what Mrs. Cruz sees when she looks at her husband: https://www.tedcruz.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LifeMarriageFamily672.jpg
This is what Mrs. Trump sees when she looks at her husband: https://forensicinvestigationblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/money-bags-gcg-version-copy-gif.gif?w=468
Safe to click.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:16 amCruz Supporter, in your opinion what does someone who immediately goes for a crude ad-hominem attack such as #2 reveal himself as?
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:23 amCapable of quick discernment.
Rick Ballard (9cd867) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:26 amnk, I’m sure Ted Cruz is a fine family man. But those are a dime a dozen. Success at Mr. Trump’s level is rare indeed.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:28 amWhy do I bother writing the posts carefully, since you don’t read them carefully?
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:33 amFortunately for Trump he can get a new wife when Melania’s beauty fades. Apparently there are plenty of beautiful young immigrants willing to do that job.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:34 amBoris, Patterico didn’t say anything “crude” to you in #2. In fact, it wasn’t really an ad-hominem attack. He was simply responding to your idiotic assertion that we should give consideration to the beauty of a potential First Lady when determining which candidate to support.
Because if that’s your standard for voting for a candidate, then all you Trumpkins should have been on the Marco Rubio bandwagon from day one. His wife is probably the hottest of any candidate who’s ever run.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:39 amGreetings:
After eight years of Michelle Obama either would be an improvement, no ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:39 amFrom Trump’s own Twitter account? Wow!
The thing that made it possible for me to vote Romney four years ago was that although the man lacked a conservative political compass, his personal, moral compass was quite remarkable. I didn’t admire the politics, but I admired the man.
How it is possible for anyone – and, especially a conservative – to support such a loathsome creature is beyond me. The problem with Trump isn’t that he has been financially bankrupt, but that he is morally bankrupt. If past election results and current polling projections tell us anything, Mr. Trump is in very good company. I guess that’s who we Republicans now are.
I’d like to address the ad that got this whole thing going. Although it seemed like a cheap shot when I first read about it, I figured Presidents and their families are regularly subject to cheap shots – just recall the cheap shots directed at the Bush girls and Chelsea Clinton. It comes with the territory. And many sources commented, that with such a beautiful spouse, the ad would completely backfire. But it didn’t, thanks to Trump’s hot-headedness and reflexive nastiness.
It is instructive to see just how a potential nominee deals with such criticism, especially after 7 years with the thin-skinned Obama. This episode gave us just that chance. In retrospect, I’d like to commend the PAC behind the ad. It gave all Americans a chance to get a true measure of the man so many support. I wish that they and others keep it up and make Trump’s supporters own the man under the cap.
ThOR (a52560) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:40 amMelania is professionally made up in that photo, and posed. It was also probably carefully photoshopped to remove the slightest flaw.
Heidi was just…there, doing what she was doing.
It’s a stupid comparison.
Dianna (004c4f) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:41 amPatterico, hear hear.
SPQR (8bad86) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:41 amI wouldn’t call her ugly by any stretch, but average. Fits her husband as a better half.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:47 amIn closing you aimed a portion of your salvo at Trump supporters:
I can see no reason to say such a thing if you didn’t intend to cast a shadow on anyone who supports Trump. It would have been better to ask whether Trump’s behavior made current supporters question their allegiance to the guy. Let them choose, instead of blindly categorizing them as allies of sick, twisted, dark people.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:52 amYou can’t shame the shameless, and anyone with any sense of shame has already abandoned Trump.
This post is useful, however, for those who are still undecided, and for raising enthusiasm among Trump opponents.
I have no personal experience as a nude model. My second-hand understanding, however, is that it is the very rare modeling session in which only “covered nude” photos — like the one from GQ, in which Trump’s then girlfriend was nude but was artfully concealing her naughty bits — are created. Rather, those sessions tend to include a lot more revealing photographs than this particular one, even if they’re never published. Likewise, my second-hand understanding is that most professional models who do nude work do so more than once. Photographers also tend to get very broad-form and open-ended releases from their models which permit the photographers to do pretty much what they want to with the resulting photographs, without seeking further consent from the model.
My speculation is, therefore, that there are more, and more revealing, photos of this Mrs. Trump — and probably of both of her two predecessors, who were also professional actress-slash-models — which are likely to be found, re-published, and/or leaked as the campaign progresses.
But if you are indeed the kind of man who believes that it doesn’t matter what you say, so long as you have a “young and beautiful piece of ass” next to you, none of this is actually upsetting. Rather, it’s affirming. I think this is faux indignation, pretend indignation, by Trump.
Regardless, he has nothing to complain about from Ted Cruz here — not that that will stop him from falsely blaming Cruz. Trump is a coward, a bully, and a whiner. He certainly does symbolize a particular kind of American man in the romantic image he presents: That is, the kind of man who is physically and morally repulsive, but rich enough to more than make up for that.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:55 amHah!!!!
MD not exactly in Philly (c92d72) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:55 amWhat Rick said.
@ Boris: I don’t choose among presidential candidates by looking at prospective first ladies the way a teenager chooses among porn websites. You obviously do. That puts you in the shameless category. Are you also a Trump fan?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:58 amCS, so it’s fine and not crude at all to call the *ahem* “Trumpkins” idiots, etc. because they so self-evidently are? That does not strike you as being in any way patronizing?
BTW, I disagree with your assessment of Mrs. Rubio.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 8:59 amWhat Bob said,
MD not exactly in Philly (c92d72) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:00 amMy opinion, fwiw, is if one can’t shame the shameless, don’t try or make it look like one is trying.
(Hat tip to nk’s rules for non-inflammatory discourse).
I can’t agree, Bob. Why should one more crude tweet, in a long string of crude and vulgar statements, make a difference to Trump’s supporters? They have shown who they are. This post is warning the rest of us why we shouldn’t give in to Trumpmania.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:01 amAfter all, this latest outburst from Trump provides a new glimpse of the man’s character, and I expect most Trump supporters will be disappointed in this revelation, if it comes to their attention. And even then, it will take a while for the significance of his behavior to sink in.
If some become more attached to Trump because of this, then we will have a measure of them. But until they choose, we can’t assume his supporters are broadly supportive of this behavior.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:03 am@2. Except he’s not. When are you going to learn Americans want to be entertained.
Melania Trump is a 10. Heidi Cruz is 10 for .99/lb.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:04 amThis untouched subject is why the GOP will both lose in 2016 and founder as a national party:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-24/what-killed-middle-class
You are doing absolutely nothing for middle America, in fact, you are actively undermining the health of this nation.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:06 amWe had nude models in art class in college. Male and female. I felt pity for them more than anything. That they would humiliate themselves that way to earn their daily bread. But it was 1977 for them, and only ten years since I’d left the farm for the big city for me.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:07 amBeldar, it’s certainly not my first criterion, but Mr. Trump is highlighting every possible advantage he has over Ted Cruz. And as I said above, the real point isn’t Mrs. Trump’s looks per se, but his own success and status as a winner.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:09 amBob,
Why do you think this crude tweet among hundreds will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for Trump supporters? And that doesn’t include the things he’s said in speeches and elsewhere. Trump supporters love this stuff.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:11 amTrivia is all that interests this decadent society.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:12 amRead Boris’ comments. Trump is a Winner!
I rest my case.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:12 amYou should be haranguing Trump supporters, DNF.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:14 amLook, this tweet reveals nothing that we didn’t already know about Trump: he’s vulgar, shameless, misogynistic, and operates at a 12-year old level of crude. And if you support him, then it reveals as much about you as it does about him. But what concerns me more is what Trump’s tweet before this one:
To me, this is far more troubling because I think Trump and his supporters really believe he will do this. Think about it: Trump, the new standard bearer for morality and Christianity.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:14 amShow me your $4 billion personal fortune, top-rating TV show and juggernaut presidential campaign, DRJ.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:16 amI am an American, Boris, so I am Trump’s equal. I am also a Texan, which makes me better than Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:18 amBy your standards, the Walmart family should be America’s First Family.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:19 amwhoever made that picked a bad pic of Heidi on purpose so there’d be a heightened contrast between Heidi and Melania to where everyone who sees it will think oh Melania is much more prettier than Heidi
it’s like the meme that went around earlier this year with Dr. Ben Carson’s wife juxtaposed with food stamp’s wife
you see one pic and you’re like oh how pretty and then you look at the other one and you’re all swipe left swipe left
but does this really affect you on a political level it’s a good question
i guess all in all it would have been better if Liz Mair had used more better discretion
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:21 am37. Your opinion is precious, in a bad way.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:22 amit’s certainly not my first criterion, but Mr. Trump is highlighting every possible advantage he has over Ted Cruz. And as I said above, the real point isn’t Mrs. Trump’s looks per se, but his own success and status as a winner.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:09 am
If it’s not your “first criterion,” can we assume it is indeed, at least one of your criterion for a presidential candidate?
Further, Boris, why do you consider the photos evidence of Trump having an advantage over Cruz? Shouldn’t the fact that a 69-year old man who is seeking the highest office in the land revealing himself to be no different than a teenage boy playing a game of “my girlfriend’s hotter than your girlfriend” be just a tad troubling? Do you really want a teenage boy running the country?
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:24 amI take issue with your logic, DRJ, but I appreciate that you don’t sink to the rudeness of so many anti-Trump commenters on this site, including Mr. Patterico himself.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:26 amExplain why, DNF. Trump is the one who is leading the primary but he doesn’t want to talk specifics. Why isn’t he the problem?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:27 amYes, vote for Trump. He’s a winner. Because owning a business and being a billionaire equals being qualified to be president. President Soros anyone? President Bill Gates?
He shows his toughness by mocking people’s looks, calling them names, and attacking them and their families. Yes, that’s apparently Churchillian toughness today.
But calling one of his supporters an idiot is just so irresponsible.
The whole thing is a nightmare, isn’t it? Everything he does to show he’s unqualified is viewed by his supporters as just more evidence that he’s qualified. Up is down and down is up and leadership is shown by screwing lots of women and mocking people on social media.
Insane, just insane.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:27 amDRJ,
I tend to think of his supporters as the Trump Otto Club (vide A Fish Called Wanda). I also believe Trump to be a pig from snout to tail who revealed his contempt for his followers with his ‘murder on 5th Ave’ pronouncement. Every attempt to defend the day’s message from the Trump sty is a test of credulity and gullibility as well as a demonstration of Trump’s contempt for his rubes.
It’s a curious phenomenon and the fact he is continuing to drive his unfavorable rating higher with his feces flinging indicates he isn’t being driven by any concern for political viability.
Rick Ballard (9cd867) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:27 amMy Texan logic or my Walmart logic? The Texan part is a joke but the Walmart comment is sincere, according to your logic.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:28 amTrump mocking the looks of the wife of his opponent is okay but calling one of his supporters an idiot for defending the mocking is the problem.
Unbelievable, it really is.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:28 amDRJ, this is one more example of Trump’s intemperate behavior, but I rather doubt most of the people who go to his rallies are as aware of his failures as readers of this blog are. I also watch Kelly on Fox News, most week nights, for 30 or 40 minutes, and these things are often discussed there. But if you don’t do these things, your view of Trump and the rest of the candidates may be quite different from ours.
I expect this tweet will receive a great deal of attention. The photo of Heidi is very unflattering, and the MSNBC types will enjoy plastering this up for their viewers edification while they discuss the morality of Trump seeking revenge on Cruz. All the while neglecting to mention the fact that Cruz wasn’t responsible for the initial insult. The Trump supporters will see what Trump did, and if they can figure out that the issue isn’t one of revenge as the lefties will paint it, then they can decide whether Trump acted honorably. I trust that most will not support Trump’s abuse of Heidi Cruz, assuming they have all the facts.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:30 amI agree, Rick. He’s acting like a circus monkey. It reminds me of when the students at UT-Austin voted for a cartoon character for student body President because they thought student government was a joke. It was but this isn’t.
UT ended up with Paul Begala as President and Trump may give us Hillary. Small world, isn’t it?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:32 amShow me your $4 billion personal fortune, top-rating TV show and juggernaut presidential campaign
So what you’re saying is that your criteria for one holding the office of the presidency is based on money and television? Shouldn’t the bar be a bit higher than that for the highest office in the land?
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:33 amTrump is on the MSM 24/7. People know who he is. This is why they love him.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:33 amI trust that most will not support Trump’s abuse of Heidi Cruz, assuming they have all the facts.
At this point doesn’t the record show that they either don’t care or they think it’s proof of Trump’s toughness and willingness to fight for his cause or campaign?
“The record” meaning comments on the internet. Which may or may not be a fair reflection of his voters.
His supporters simply view him as tough, as fighting for them, and if he goes a bit overboard with his comments it’s for a good cause, i.e., them.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:35 amExactly, SteveMG.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:36 amAnd you accuse Mr. Trump’s supporters of being vulgar, huh?
Among other things.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:37 amTrump is on the MSM 24/7. People know who he is. This is why they love him.
And hate him. See the latest CNN polls.
He’s a great divider; you either really like him or really don’t. There’s no in between.
The perfect candidate for our times, though.
We’ve been deadlocked politically as a (roughly) 50/50 country for the most part. I think this election will break that. The Democrats will rout the Republicans and control Washington for the next generation.
The GOP will be in its wilderness years, split among its various factions.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:38 amI don’t wish for a President Trump. That out of the way, I don’t believe for a minute Cruz supporters have not made some (very puzzling in their ridiculousness and irrelevance)very nasty personal remarks about Trump’s bride. At least some of my goonier political-list facebook friends in the cruz camp were wasting my scroll time with that silly business.
I was kind of shocked to see Liz Mair made any issue of Melania’s bearskin moments. I didn’t realize she was nuts. Even if it was just her idea of a side-talking savvy political consultant trick, it was so …..inept. If nothing else is means all eyes on trump and all eyes on a person easy to put eyes on (the one she was busting on.)
It’s awful all over. I don’t much care for anyone’s methods, even the Cruz commercials no one under 40 sees.
Mrs Cruz is a handsome woman, and I’m sure was occasionally the most beautiful girl in the whole wide room, which is more than I can say. But any already a Trump supporter is likely to be thrilled with the side-by-side.
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:40 amStill, when you break it down, the only thing I’m hearing/reading from Trump supporters about why they support him is that he has a big mouth.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:40 amit really doesn’t do much good to imply that all Trump supporters are somehow tainted or responsible for the attitudes of a few
But they ARE tainted by and responsible for the attitudes of TRUMP. It wasn’t a supporter who tweeted that preadolescent crap, it was Trump himself. He’s YOUR guy, so YOU own it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:42 amDana, “certainly not my first criterion” is a rhetorical device; in reality it’s not a criterion for me at all. But for some it might be, and I think I’ve addressed your other points already in previous comments. As for “teenage boy”, I’m sure you understand that one does not attain Mr. Trump’s level of success and achievement without a very strong character and skill set.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:42 amThese incidents are not anecdotes or outliers or isolated events. We have them nearly every day. There’s a pattern (and read about him before his candidacy; there’s more evidence).
It’s him, it’s the real man.
Appalling, but this is who he is.
He’s a billionaire who has run successful businesses. He’s a winner. So that means we ignore his ignorance on public policy and public issues, his insecure emotional makeup, his complete lack of qualifications otherwise. Simply because he’s made money and has a “R” after his name.
Is this what his supporters think?
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:45 amSuccess at Mr. Trump’s level is rare indeed.
So are inheritances and family resources at his level. Had it not been for his family’s support, Trump would have gone into PERSONAL bankruptcy the first time his companies did.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:45 amTrump is a businessman who has used his political connections and economic wealth as leverage to create more wealth and power.
Cruz is a successful litigator who has improved the lives of millions with his victories in critical Supreme Court decisions as well as giving voice to many more conservatives and exposing the fraud within the heart of the GoPe.
Which is the greater success?
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?
njrob (bb5594) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:45 amWhy do I bother writing the posts carefully, since you don’t read them carefully?
Patterico, this is why you could never be a demagogue. People like Trump just toss crap out. If it’s a problem later, they just lie about it. This would probably affect your self-esteem if you did it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:48 amStill, when you break it down, the only thing I’m hearing/reading from Trump supporters about why they support him is that he has a big mouth
And he’s made money.
Hell, Hillary’s made a lot of money gaming the system. More than $100,000 per speech. She must be smart, right? So, that makes her qualified to be president? Because she was smart enough to manipulate things to become rich (obviously not the level of Trump) that means – connecting A to B – that’s she qualified to be president.
Substitute any wealthy person for Trump: Soros. Gates. Marck Zuckerberg.
Are they qualified simply because they made billions? Many billions more than Trump.
This is silly.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:50 am@16. Wife 2, Marla Maples is from Georgia. But then, the Old Confederacy may still be a world unto itself.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:52 amSteveMG,
They’re all wealthy, yes, but it’s only Trump who isn’t afraid to say anything to anyone at any time without any sense of restraint or discretion. To his followers, that’s a feature, not a bug.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:52 amso it’s fine and not crude at all to call the *ahem* “Trumpkins” idiots, etc. because they so self-evidently are?
I agree. I don’t know they are idiots, so I’ve desisted. But they are quite evidently misogynistic and racist, so I’m going to focus on that instead.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:52 amAre they qualified simply because they made billions? Many billions more than Trump.
His middle-of-the-road politics aside, Gates would probably be a pretty good President. His success was due to two decades of careful building and organization and a thorough understanding of business. Soros got his start auctioning Jews’ belongings for the Nazis and Zuckerberg is the classic hit-it-rich wunderkind. But Gates understands how to make things work.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:58 amSince a picture is worth a thousand words: https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/ca3d6437eb62e62e6647c6f43e6292e639af14b5912bec828be1c8492a0e5e2d_large It’s a comparison photo, too. Safe.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 9:59 amKevin, he started out with some money from his father, but he added zeroes to it. Most people would have frittered it away, much less been able to build an iconic brand and grow the business into what it is today. Most of the people who knock him for having a rich daddy wouldn’t last a day in his world.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:00 amHappy Purim everyone. Whether you celebrate it or not, have a wonderful day. I won’t be around much, since I’ll be busy all day running around delivering these.
Catch you all tomorrow.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:00 amShow me your $4 billion personal fortune, top-rating TV show and juggernaut presidential campaign
Leaving aside the questions about Trump’s real net worth, which could well be negative as it has been in the past, your objection to Romney is that he isn’t rich enough?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:01 amBoris, when his companies were tottering the first time, he had guaranteed a lot of loans with his personal wealth. His family bailed him out that time or he would have been penniless when they went bankrupt, just like a lot of the little companies that did business with him went under when he stiffed them.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:05 amNo, my objection to Romney was that aside from issues of his conservatism, he was a polite loser who lacked the will to take the fight to Obama.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:05 amBoris,
Patterico calling you an “idiot” is not example of being “crude.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:07 amAn example of being “crude” is saying that Megyn Kelly is “bleeding from her wherever.”
Chag Purim Sameach, Milhouse.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:09 amThe fact remains that the man is a ignorant, classless, clueless lout. Near as I can tell, his only support comes from people who hate Mexicans and view women as sex toys, and/or are so angry they can’t think straight.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:12 amwill our story shine like a light
or end in the dark
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:17 am“The AI chatbot Tay is a machine learning project, designed for human engagement. As it learns, some of its responses are inappropriate and indicative of the types of interactions some people are having with it. We’re making some adjustments to Tay.”
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:20 amButton, button, who’s got the button?
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:20 amTrump: I’ve got one.
Putin: I’ve got one.
Xi: I’ve got one.
Trump: Mine’s hotter! Watch this!
“He’s a fighter.”
His supporters think that things like this means he’s a fighter. Name calling, mocking, ridiculing is, for them, proof that he’s a fighter.
For what cause? For what purpose? To do what?
To defeat Hillary. Then what?
It doesn’t matter. It should but for them it doesn’t.
Amazing.
You’ll have greater success talking to that back wall behind your computer.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:33 amI missed the part where Cruz disavowed Liz Mair’s attack on the candidate’s wife.
I do recall the part where Cruz supporters unilaterally declared wives as fair ball, with the caveat that children would still be out of bounds.
But then again I remember a rather dark and ugly suggestion by Cruz supporters regarding Ivanka Trump.
Or is it just open season on adult children? Well isn’t that a convenient formulation.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:34 amWhere did Cruz say “That’s a terrible thing Liz Meir did. I don’t want to have that kind of campaign.”
And don’t bother with the excuse Mr. Ted didn’t have time. He has to pen reporters against the wall for them to pay attention.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:39 amHe has time for that, he has time to disavow a coordinating pac squirrel.
Do you mean the dark and ugly suggestion by Trump that if Ivanka were not his daughter, “perhaps” he’d be dating her? There’s video, right here from the horse’s a___’s mouth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:41 amNot to mention the talk of black lists and revenge by other Cruz sycophants.
When your people are dipping down to Joe Stalin to inform their tactics, you have a hell of a nerve calling anybody else sick or twisted.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:45 amTrump said it! The video I linked is Trump saying it! Click the video and see for yourself or shut up! La-la-la I can’t hear you either.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:49 amTrump and his supporters want to go to Washington and destroy the establishment, throw out crooks like Rove and others and clean the stable out. Toss them all out. Never let them run things again.
But now they’re the ones complaining about blacklists and banning of people.
I mean, for crissake.
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:52 amUnless there is an Article V Convention called, Trump is the next best thing.
cedarhill (9ed7e3) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:53 amI missed where we came up with a rule where you are responsible for things that people not associated with you do and say. When did this come about?
Is Trump responsible for statements made by racist groups who endorse him?
Of course not.
Notice that the Trump supporters are trying to turn things away from what he did?
SteveMG (6f6dc7) — 3/24/2016 @ 10:55 amTrump and his supporters want to go to Washington and destroy the establishment, throw out crooks like Rove and others and clean the stable out. Toss them all out. Never let them run things again.
Trump is a guy who BRAGS of bribing people and lying to everyone to make money. It’s kind of like hiring Gerlado Rivera to get rid of yellow journalism.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:10 amMy biggest challenge these days is to not sink into despair over what is going on. Trump is allowed to label people (pathological/liar/lazy etc) and it is is at that moment fact. His supporters just mouth the words and don’t see that they are really supporting a divider. Trump is as bad as Obama, he is dividing people. Only it isn’t the blacks he is riling up in opposition to him, it’s the white folks in their support which often translates to hatred, not just anger. They say, “we’ve had enough of the last 8 years of being told we are the problem!” and so they become part of the problem themselves. Anyone that can’t see the division being built by this man and the hatred being spewed by his campaign, if not by his own mouth has just chosen to ignore it. Can I understand the anger? To a degree yes as I’ve had it with political correctness myself BUT I’m willing to look at the policies and issues and see that Trump has smoke and mirrors and in the end he is going to do what is good for Trump and nothing else. If Trump wins this fall we are replacing Obama with Obama White.
marci (1cb271) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:10 amUnless there is an Article V Convention called, Trump is the next best thing.
What, a king who might do ANYTHING? Where did you get that crack? It must be AWESOME!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:11 amhttp://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-has-denounced-the-ad-and-said-spouses-are-off-limits-cruz-spokeswoman-stewart/
I must say, Duck-duck-go did not find this,
and most of the hits on my search were the usual 3rd party sites stirring up trouble,
i don’t know how to do an internet search to get what I want anymore, everything is the third and fourth hand kerfuffles over things, not the original.
What marci said.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:15 amI have got to go.
Oh, and I’ve told Jewish friends that I’ve always wanted to go to a Purim celebration, from what I hear it can be quite an event,
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:18 ambut never had an invitation yet.
of course, to be fair, I’ve never thought to ask ahead of time.
A Cruz PAC publishes nude pics of Trump’s wife on the day of the Utah caucus, and you want to accuse Trump of sharp practice?
Moral compass? You have none.
By your calculation Admiral Nimitz was a war criminal for shooting back after the Pearl Harbor misunderstanding.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:19 amMy research tells me it is not a “Cruz PAC”, but a anti-Trump PAC, which is a difference. If you can demonstrate that I have a misunderstanding, and where Cruz said he was OK with the attack ad or refused to distance himself from it, please share it with us.
I have been on the record saying I think it was a bad thing to do, no matter who did it.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:25 amThe success of inheriting a ton of money, and then making the same amount of money running business as investing would have done? A successful businessman does a lot better than way the investment returns would have been.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:25 amR.I.P. Ken Howard, actor best known as the star of The White Shadow
Icy (23ecdd) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:30 amA Cruz PAC publishes nude pics of Trump’s wife on the day of the Utah caucus
It was a lone-wolf anti-Trump PAC, run by someone everyone knows is nuts. Go back and look at the post yesterday — I don’t recall anyone here saying it was the thing to do. I said “the tackiness could not be overstated.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:30 ama fine family man
Those who truly are, are not so common, unfortunately.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:31 amTake all of the actors in Hollywood. How many are successful by standards of financial success? How many are successful by standards of being a “fine family man”.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:32 amCruz could retort: “At least I’m faithful to my wife.”
But he won’t.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:34 amPeter Schiff:
“One of the data points that Yellen likes to cling to most fiercely are the reports that show consumers are confident that the economy has improved and that it will continue to do so. But those reports, which I have always believed are poorly constructed, are completely at odds with what voters (who are also consumers) are actually saying at the polls. Presidential primary exit polls in state after state indicate that the economy has been the top issue on the minds of voters. Generally speaking, this should indicate that people are not overly optimistic about the economy. If they were, other issues, such as immigration, national security, the environment, and health care, would be cited as their top concern.”
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:35 amI remember Donald Trump spending the better part of a week disavowing some dude who just said a nice thing about his campaign.
Every time Trump talked to a new reporter they wanted another condemnation of David Duke.
Well what about Liz Meir? I haven’t heard one discouraging word about her from the Cruz campaign.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:37 amAnd neither have you.
It’s odd, but Drudge doesn’t have this linked anywhere, and the previous stuff about wives and “spilling the beans” seems to have disappeared from the Drudge site altogether.
If DRUDGE is embarrassed by something Trump has done, is HAS to be bad.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:38 amWe have the government we deserve.
Eat your peas.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:40 amOnce again for clarity: Trump mocked the looks of Cruz’s wife.
Cruz did not mock the looks of Trump’s wife.
Who is the party that needs to apologize here?
Life can sometimes be hard; this is not one of those occasions.
SteveMG (635551) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:44 ampapertiger with low reading skills once again.
Gerald A (945582) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:46 amCamille Paglia:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/24/camille_paglia_this_is_why_trumps_winning_and_why_i_wont_vote_for_hillary/
Ah, but he is one of us.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:49 ampapertiger with low reading skills once again.
He actually said “heard” and it is really hard to hear anything with your fingers in your ears going “LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:51 amMy biggest challenge these days is to not sink into despair over what is going on.
I don’t have that problem since I gave in to the despair.
See? I can play Dr. Phil too.
SteveMG (32f2b8) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:52 amDNF, we’ve already covered that. Paglia is wrong.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:54 amDid I miss the daily string of Cruz condemnations of Liz Meir and her brand of gutter politics?
Or did he?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:56 amThis crowd wants desperately to make a winner of one who has never been an Executive, who is not speaking to the concerns of the electorate and has higher negatives than the boor they seek to replace.
Are any of you good at what you do in real life? ‘Cause you really suck at winning.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:57 ampapertiger
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:57 amMD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:15 am
114. Oh god, I missed a discussion. Were you involved? Were there bodily noises?
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 11:59 amas suspected even gail gadot can’t save it,
http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/v/446713/Batman-verses-Superman-review
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:02 pmPretty much everyone else condemned Liz Meir, except for Cruz.
He went blind deaf and dumb when it came time to stand up on the side of righteousness.
Look at that. Mrs Cruz’s Wall Street employer is getting nervous about the rise of Trump.
What do you know.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:02 pm120. And cupidity is so mom and apple pie Murican.
While our studied losers have been crushing DT, their giant is diminishing.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:06 pmpapertiger knows Trump’s behavior cannot be justified.
So papertiger makes shit up to try to justify it. Specifically, papertiger pretends the PAC is connected to Cruz when it is not.
Am I surprised to see papertiger make stuff up to defend the indefensible?
No, I am not. Because papertiger is a Trump supporter, even after Trump’s latest attack, and therefore lacks morals. papertiger deserves no respect and will get none from me.
Fume away, dishonest cultist. Stamp your little feet.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:06 pmDropping by from work…
“Although Trump is roughly even in his favorable/unfavorable numbers with likely GOP male voters (50/47), he is 10 points under water with GOP women (40/50) and net -28 (33/61) with Independents, who comprise one-third of the Wisconsin electorate.
Colonel Haiku (232ecf) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:06 pmIn contrast, Cruz has a +32 favorability with Republican men (64/32), +26 with women (58/32), and +4 (48/44) with Independents.”
heck of a job, goose, do they pay you for this kind of advice,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507856/Lindsey-Graham-says-Republicans-probably-lose-White-House-race-2016-tells-Trump-Cruz-knock-war-Twitter-wives.html
yes, the huntress, who vanderleun said reminded him of audrey hepburn, they were quick to find an unflattering pick,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:07 pmNot only should wives be out-of-bounds, but Trump’s son Joffrey should be too.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:09 pmthe poll in my previous post was national.
Colonel Haiku (232ecf) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:09 pmToo many trolls here now. Got things to do.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:10 pmMelania needs to take Trump’s phone away after dark. You’d think he could find better things to do…
crazy (cde091) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:10 pmsorry it was this one,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/review/
yes, this hunger games has been played with live ammo, if you want to make the analogy, the virtuous man, vs, ruthless magnate you can do so,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:11 pmCruz’s campaign has denounced the ad, according to this link that was already posted and yet ignored by the dishonest papertiger:
http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-has-denounced-the-ad-and-said-spouses-are-off-limits-cruz-spokeswoman-stewart/
When he calls certain Trump supporters “idiotic sinpletons” and “mindless locusts” repeating falsehoods, papertiger, he is talking about people like you, and what you are doing in this very thread.
You’re beneath contempt, papertiger, using lies to trying to justify a despicable attack on a candidate’s wife.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:13 pm124. Like rooting for the Washington Generals.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:13 pm123, 126. Conflation then.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:14 pm@92 Kevin M
I was rewatching The Aviator the other day. I haven’t read the actual congressional record but as far as the movie goes, Howard Hughes bragged about bribing politicians in order to make money.
Maybe he should have run for president.
pinandpuller (a12946) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:15 pmPlease calm down.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:15 pmEven if Cruz bore any responsibility for the GQ-cover-tweet of Melania, that would not justify Trump’s attacking my-wife-is-hotter-than-yours response.
Mitch (341ca0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:15 pmthe upshot of it, was the ceo of panam, juan trippe, played slimely by baldwin, was the one who was blocking his twa expansion,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:18 pmAgainst the background of Brussels this is so small ball.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:18 pmWe need to dig up FDR and have him face the music for the Midway atrocities committed by his acolytes.
Their dastardly attack on the Imperial Navy can not be allowed to go unanswered.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:19 pmWhat I see from this post, and others like it on the internet this morning, is an incomprehensible garble of arcane tags and links.
What the heck, exactly, happened? What, exactly, does that clutter of codelines and link redirects MEAN? I get that that @ lines are directed at whomever is listed there, but following the link indicates this is a tweet by someone called Don Vito, not Trump?
I’m not trying to defend, or condemn, Trump, or anyone, here. I’m just lamenting that it sure would be nice if somewhere, amidst all the voluminous talk, somebody had spared a sentence to describe what happened that we’re supposed to be upset about to those of us who despise twitter and thus don’t know its lingo or format.
Shorter version: did Trump “retweet”, or in other words echo that twitter post? Or did he originate it? Or something else entirely?
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:24 pmThat is certainly one of the stupidest analogies I have ever seen, papertiger. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:25 pmshort answer, liz mair who has a taste for shoe leather, put this pic outthere on her pac, trump seeing how a cruz surrogate, andrea mcwilliams made the same argument sans picture, last week, went ballistic, in his understated way, honestly there should be no more ‘fighting in the war room’ because the reality is too fracking important, on trump’s side, and the #2willing for hillary, have not learned anything from what happened on tuesday?
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:28 pmThank you for God’s mercy, Pat. I think you need a healthy dollop of it too.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:29 pmIt is Donald Trump quoting a supporter on his Twitter account, Arizona CJ. It is Trump’s way of doing a retweet.
Please do not start with the “it was just a retweet” stuff, folks. I have had enough sophistry to last me the rest of the month.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:29 pmMovie quote, dipstick. Maybe JD will explain it to you. I have wasted enough of my time on you.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:31 pmAm I the dipstick? You’ll have to make your snide more specific for to get a rise out of me.
Are we having fun on a slow news day or what?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:35 pmI am not commenting to interact with you, dishonest Trumper, but to amuse myself and others at your expense. It is specific enough for its purpose.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:38 pmBilly Madison is the hero in that story. Ok good one.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:38 pmPlease do not start with the “it was just a retweet” stuff, folks. I have had enough sophistry to last me the rest of the month.
So not only is the guy a horse’s ass, but he doesn’t even understand the basics of how Twitter works.
Here’s the part where his acolytes assure us that he has a cutting-edge Twitter strategy that the rest of us can’t begin to comprehend.
JVW (34f70e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:39 pmcan we concur that red queen ought to be the target,
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-founder-isis-video/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:42 pmEveryone who supports Trump’s actions here is cordially invited to go perform various sexual acts upon themselves. I won’t pretend to respect any of you. The line is drawn, and it’s your choice whether you step across.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:42 pmWhy do you suppose Cruz didn’t apologize for the Melania is a gold digging bimbo jab?
That would have been good politics for him.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:42 pmTed Cruz just responded to Trump in a press conference. It was just terrific. I’ll post it when it comes online. His bottom line was a sort of Come at me, Donald, real men don’t bully women.
On what hand, I’m glad he defended his wife, and reminded voters Trump is made of, I’m not sure how wise it is for him to be the one stepping into Trump’s mud. It might be best to let his supporters do the condemning of Trump. I would have included the media and Republican leadership in that calculus, but, you know…
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:44 pmGateway Pundit links are presumptively stupid and unreliable. If you have a real source, provide that link. I’m done clicking links to that site.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:44 pmMaybe Cruz is just not very good at this vocation.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:45 pmDana,
People keep saying he isn’t good at making news. Maybe he just did.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:46 pmOh: I stand by my comment about Boris, by the way.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:47 pma john oliver clip wasn’t handy just now,
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rudy-giuliani-says-hillary-clinton-helped-create-isis-2016-03-24?siteid=rss&rss=1
narciso (732bc0) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:48 pmIt was angry, passionate, and precisely what was called for, and it was what every married woman would be proud to have her own husband do if she were in the same position as Heidi Cruz. It was a genuine moment of love. I suspect whether he thought it might cost him the presidency, he would, as an honorable man and loving husband, still have made the comments.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:49 pmNow we’ve come full circle. The perfect Cruz supporter has been found here.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:49 pmTrumps behavior CAN be justified. His supporters eat it up. It’s effective. IT WORKS. I don’t know who you are trying to persuade, but it won’t be anyone who supports him as of now. Low info unsure people will just assume that Cruz started it, or that he may as well have, by his stupid non-response. I told you Cruz wasn’t good at this. He’s just not perceptive enough and he has bad people (as in bad at media management)
Trumps a vulgar lout. I think that’s common knowledge. It has been his public persona since the freakin 80’s. In this stupid time to be alive, it’s SALESMANSHIP.
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:49 pmI would be glad to compound now for nothing worse than Mitt via brokered convention. But face it, people in America are mostly numb to vulgar and unfair attacks in politics. I want my Reagan back, but it’s really the people that went.
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:52 pmI think we make a mistake when we assume papertiger is representative of anybody other than himself. He is unwittingly like one of Obama’s strawmen. Why do we waste so much time on him? And why do we treat him as though he speaks for the majority of Trump supporters? His assertions are based on fictional anecdotes which drag the discussion into endless of repetitions of facts disproving his assertions. Worse, these facts are easily verified but he does not make the slightest effort to respond to those facts other than denying them.
hf is similar, but he’s a bit more slippery. Never dealing in facts, his contributions are nothing but a clash of emotions, metaphors, and stream of consciousness ramblings about food.
I think we can do better.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:54 pmBetter than what? What is better?
How many Times can you restate the obvious about the awfulness of Trump?
Is there some good outcome to be hoped for? I’m kind of hoping for the last-minute punk solution where Trump just wanders off at the eleventh hour, and maybe something is left to salvage.
BTW Happyfeet tends to capture what was called the Zeitgeist in the 70s, but as that word belongs to the 70s and David Bowie, it probably has it’s own word now (and HF knows it.)
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:11 pmKeeps the comment section lively.
Let’s all go on record – I speak for myself. Any of the others of youse speaking on behalf of a third party (in a paid capacity maybe) well shame on you for perpetrating the fraud, and/or thanks for high estimation of Patterico’s blog.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:13 pmMy husband is the breadwinner and is #nevertrump. I can’t muster up more than “this world” and an eyeroll.* I’m awfully tired of Trump hysteria in any direction, which seems very much a guy thing.
Save the party? We’ll, be better at selling. Nominations are for closers.
*This has been a husband-sponsored message (although his would be different.)
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:18 pmDonald Trump puts the loser in closer.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:20 pmI respect that Sarah. Let’s make it a corollary, you are allowed to speak for your significant other by proxy without demerit.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:22 pmLeviticus: and yet as of right now isn’t the problem that he ISN’T losing enough?
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:22 pmDonald puts the T in rump?
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:24 pmCruz video responding to Trump is up now.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:24 pmyou really don’t remember
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:28 pmwas it something that he said?
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:29 pmare the voices in your head
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:29 pmcalling heidi cruuuuuz?
happyfeet (a037ad) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:29 pmIt is so refreshing to come and see posts like this. Just last night I overheard this covered on someone’s TV, and naturally they skipped the first part of Cruz’s response to Trump’s initial attack, the part where Cruz said he had nothing to do with it. Thus they left Cruz with Trump’s smear intact.
Kudos to you for this post.
I need to get back here more. I used to post here often, but for no particular reason have been out of the habit.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:32 pmAnti Trump ads try to win over Mormons by slut shaming Melania
Lots of returns on that.
Cruz denounces ads
Not even one return on that one.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:33 pmlook for sense but I get next to nothing
SarahW (67599f) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:33 pmHey boy welcome to reality
Today I just heard a caller to Rush Limbaugh to bring up Trump’s attack on Cruz’s wife. Basically she asked him how he could continue being neutral after this incident. It was disheartening to see Rush change the subject to the folly of establishment Republicans preferring Hillary to Trump. Maybe Rush prefers Cruz, but is careful not to alienate his Trump supporting listeners who might still listen to reason. Maybe (unlike Dennis Prager) he is afraid of losing a substantial portion of his audience altogether. Maybe he even regards this as a strategy to persuade Trump supporters that Cruz is a better alternative (Yesterday to his credit, Rush bitch-slapped a Trump-bot who was spouting off idiotic talking points against Cruz). At any rate, I now feel more inclined to listen to Dennis Prager.
Tony (ff2fe4) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:35 pmDana, your video doesn’t show Cruz disavowing the attack on Melania.
I mean Cruz is fond of his wife. That wasn’t in doubt, was it?
Let’s stipulate that Cruz likes the wife he’s got.
How is his huffy comment anything more than a continuation and escalation of the type of gutter politics you all claim to be against (when it’s your candidate on the receiving end. When it’s Trumps wife on the receiving end, not so much)?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:45 pmRush change the subject to the folly of establishment Republicans preferring Hillary to Trump
This is their ace card: “Do you want Hillary to win?”
If you oppose Trump then you want Hillary to win. Or don’t care. You’re going to hear that a lot from now on. In fact, it’ll be the only thing you hear.
As for me: If a candidate is unqualified to be president then I’m simply not voting for him or her. Just because they have an “R” after the name doesn’t warrant my vote.
If others elect a Clinton or Trump then there’s nothing I can do. I can only control my own vote.
SteveMG (d69a9d) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:46 pmTrump attacks Cruz’s wife. Cruz gets angry.
And Cruz is escalating the ugliness.
Geezus on a biscuit.
SteveMG (d69a9d) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:48 pm#176: papertiger, changing your default search engine to something other than Bing might open new worlds for your searches. Fox News websites appear to be one of those URLs that Bing doesn’t recognize. However, I tried the same search on Yahoo and got the same non-answer. On the other hand, if you search on the phrase “cruz denounces melania ad” you will get a couple of hits on both Bing and Yahoo. The hits include LHMFM websites that edit Cruz’s remarks to feed into the leftie narrative about Cruz, plus several websites pointing out that the LHMFM is playing games with Cruz, and also a youtube video of Cruz saying he had nothing to do with the ad and thought it totally inappropriate.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:55 pmAnd Cruz is escalating the ugliness.
I thought that only the left had the monopoly on this kind of grotesque moral equivalence. Here is Cruz’s response:
Donald, real men don’t attack women. Your wife is lovely, and Heidi is the love of my life
Tony (ff2fe4) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:57 pmI thought moral decline was more or less the exclusive domain of the Left. These are church people voting for Trump. What, exactly, passes for a Southern Baptist sermon these days?
This is a clarifying time for me. Now I’m gaining a better understanding of why I overvalued the “New York Values” critique – those values are more widespread than I realized. But, also, how I undervalued the “short fingers” critique.
Finally – and I hate to admit this – this whole Trump thing has got me re-evaluating my perception of the GOPe.
ThOR (a52560) — 3/24/2016 @ 1:58 pmTony,
There’s new post up with Cruz response here.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:00 pmEveryone who supports Trump’s actions here is cordially invited to go perform various sexual acts upon themselves. I won’t pretend to respect any of you. The line is drawn, and it’s your choice whether you step across.
Patterico (22ba8e) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:42 pm
— HEAR HEAR times some YUUUGE number!
Icy (23ecdd) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:04 pmR.I.P. Garry Shandling
Icy (23ecdd) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:08 pmChoosing a mate is the most important voluntary commitment an adult makes in his or her life. That’s why who these candidates chose matters to me.
It’s not what matters most to me when I’m picking a candidate, but I think it’s insane to say it shouldn’t matter at all.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:14 pmthat’s because you left the second search so vague. “ads”. You get results pertaining to other ads. But all you have to do is read this blog to see he did condemn the ad you’re trying to suggest he did not.
And there’s no comparison. Trump made a nasty attack personally, whereas Cruz denounces an outside ad that wasn’t remotely as ugly. You twist and dissemble to blame the innocent while holding no standard to the guilty.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:16 pmTrump’s trying to push Cruz into apologizing for something he didn’t do just as Cruz mistakenly did over the Carson kerfuffle. Cruz appears to recognize that. I can’t wait to see what Trump’s little fingers will type tonight.
crazy (cde091) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:20 pmBobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/24/2016 @ 12:54 pm
What Bob said,
yes, about Bing and searches,
as I said above, most of my hits were third hand stirring the pot and nothing of help. The link I did find and posted was very clear, though not Cruz himself but an official Cruz spokesperson,
I found using Google, which I would prefer not to do, but the link was not among the first two pages on Duck-Duck-Go
I know I’m being manipulated by the search engine characteristics, but I have no clue how to get around it
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (940922) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:20 pmI bet one could start a business doing searches that found what one really wanted.
@ papertiger,
Dana, your video doesn’t show Cruz disavowing the attack on Melania.
So what. The quote from Cruz is at the post.
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:21 pmREPUBLICAN SENATOR TED CRUZ (Tex.): That ad was completely inappropriate, and we had nothing to do with it.
Scream warning to all except papertiger
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (940922) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:25 pmTHERE YA GO, from links on the next thread.
Goldman Sachs is not for nothing know as the “Vampire Squid”. They are constantly pushing the dead rabid dogs in their inventory on customers including Sovereigns and Municipalities as good as gold, Fed scrip even.
Past Goldman directors and VP’s litter the central banks of the West and are directly responsible for the Crisis of 2008, TARP, and the Wrecovery.
You people are simply effete prudes with no moral compass and frankly what passes for thought around here is an embarrassment.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:39 pmIf you’re a Trump supporter and really want him to win, you’d say, “Donald, don’t do things like this. Get off twitter. Let your surrogates handle this.”
But being a Trump supporter means always defending what he does.
When he apologizes, they’ll say he apologized, isn’t that good enough.
And then, a week or two later when he does it again they’ll defend it again.
I never thought something like this would happen here. Not in the 21st century.
SteveMG (47f539) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:40 pmYou want to have some fun.
In that same “inept” search engine (BING) you type in “Trump d…”
DO IT NOW. Okay I’ll do it for you.
automatically Bing completes my thought to “Trump Disavows David Duke; Trump disavows the KKK;Trump disavow David Duke (no ‘s’)”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:44 pmThen other sundry Trump disabled reporter, Trump disaster, Trump disqualified, Trump dismisses Christie, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Do you really think it’s a good sign that, first and foremost, your candidate is known online for ultimately deciding he doesn’t support Nazi sympathizers?
DRJ (15874d) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:49 pmOn my part, I thought it was very restrained of me not to mention Roxxxy The Sex Robot http://www.cracked.com/blog/my-review-of-the-roxxxy-sex-robot/ in order to demonstrate that you don’t need billions of dollars to have a lifelike sex toy, only around $7,000.00.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:50 pmOops! Darn that stream of consciousness. I denounce myself.
nk (dbc370) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:51 pm@ Patterico #146;
Thanks for the clarification. Okay, *If* I understand the concept of a retweet correctly, it’s much akin to forwarding an E-mail to an entire contact list (?) without comment. If I received such a comment that way, I’d think the forwarder approved of the content. If that’s correct, then by retweeting, Trump is saying he approves of the original, right?
If so, I’ll call that sleazy.
I also call the SuperPac’s use to Trump’s wife’s photo sleazy. If that had come from Cruz’s campaign, I’d certainly call him sleazy for it, but that’s not a Cruz superpac, and he disavowed the ad, so he’s fine IMHO.
Frankly, I consider the sleaziness here small ball; I’m far more concerned regarding Trump’s display of a very thin skin – something he’s shown many times before.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:56 pmThis silly little echo chamber represents no more than 30% of the Right, and refuses to see that DT not being a positive choice for the GOP is entirely the point being pressed by a healthy 50%.
People are done with our Political Class and see nothing good to come from any effort grounded in comity between factions in DC.
You are just pizzing in the wind.
If you want you can hook up with the 20% that support Kasich and Rubio but it will cost you and you will lose anyway.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 2:58 pmDRJ – Would it be possible for you to hear my response through your partisan rage?
Give me a fair hearing.
What that shows me as I tick done the list is how many times Donald Trump has been dismissed and besmirched, and the immoral license self bestowed upon themselves by his detractors.
You can attack Trump in any underhanded way, no boundaries, no off limits, truth is whatever feels handy as a tactic, because that is what our culture has been informed is the acceptable way to approach Donald Trump.
Are you hearing it?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/24/2016 @ 3:01 pmThe Presidency has been gutted and reduced to a laughingstock the world over. The demand that it be restored to its former importance is buffoonery.
The head of our State is a spokesmodel without the power to effect any change in the dreadful inertia of decline.
Deal with it.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 3:07 pmMelania is FaceTuned / Perfect365’ed (Photoshop-like photo touchup apps) to within an inch of her life in that shot. She looks like a CGI character.
Alex (f15f55) — 3/24/2016 @ 3:07 pm202. “You [] attack Trump in any underhanded way, no boundaries, no off limits, truth is whatever feels handy as a tactic, because that is what our culture has been informed is the acceptable way to approach Donald Trump.”
FIFY.
And then attempt to bully you into agreeing with their drivel.
DNF (755a85) — 3/24/2016 @ 3:10 pmTrump supporters, this was predictable and you own it. Sean Hannity, you own this. Sarah Palin, you own this. Chris Christie, Rick Scott, Newt Gingrich, Scott Brown . . . you own it.
Does the Establishment own any of it? They have lied to us, condescended to us, and at best ignored us for thirty years. Repeatedly we have been told that we have to hold our nose, and vote for the “most electable”, who always turned out to be the Establishment darling. We repeatedly gave the GOP Congressional landslides after promises to get things done, only to watch the Establishment attack the Tea Party and Conservatives while cutting deals with the Democrats. Today the hot topic among the Establishment is “how do we ignore the base, and steal the nomination from both Trump and Cruz”.
But the Establishment bears no responsibility?
I get the Trump supporters. I am nearly as angry as they are, I just haven’t gone full Howard Beale yet.
You want to get rid of Trump? Have a press conference tomorrow….Priebus, Ryan, McConnell…maybe Romney and Jeb in the background. The first thing you do is apologize to the base for the last thirty years. Next McConnell announces he is retiring from the Senate, and Ryan steps down as Speaker. Finally Priebus announces the party’s whole-hearted support for Cruz, and announces they are going to start running pro-Cruz ads instead of anti-Trump ads.
that would be a good start.
gahrie (12cc0f) — 3/24/2016 @ 3:48 pmWith that attack on Mr. Trump, Cruz has blown his chance at VP or a SCOTUS nomination in a Trump administration. He should’ve known better.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 6:07 pmYou do stand-up regularly, Boris?
Dana (0ee61a) — 3/24/2016 @ 6:12 pmDana, if you find that amusing then I guess you’ll be in stitches once Mr. Trump becomes President.
Boris (d466a1) — 3/24/2016 @ 6:19 pm“With that attack on Mr. Trump, Cruz has blown his chance at VP or a SCOTUS nomination in a Trump administration.”
Don’t you think Trump probably has someone else in mind? Vice President Dice Clay would gladly tell Cruz to blow his SCOTUS.
In other 80s news, what a shame about Shandling.
JP (4b9d5a) — 3/24/2016 @ 6:54 pm