Rubio Fan-Boi Shamelessly Repeats Phony Fact-Check to Call Ted Cruz a LIAR!!!!!!11!!!!!11!
Every conservative who is not brain-dead despises Big Media “fact checkers.” Nothing raises a conservative’s blood pressure like seeing a “fact checker” 1) evaluate a truthful claim by a conservative, 2) acknowledge that the facts are true, yet 3) refuse to admit the claim is true because spin spin spinnity spin.
So, for example, when Ted Cruz says the IRS tax code has more words than the Bible, a fact-checker analyzing that claim has an obligation to pronounce it true. Yet we have seen a Big Media fact-checker acknowledge the truth of Cruz’s facts, yet refuse to pronounce his claim true, because derp derp derp. When Carly Fiorina says she went from secretary to CEO, we have seen a Big Media fact-checker say: yep, she started off a secretary, became a CEO, therefore three Pinocchios, because derp derp derp.
So-called “conservatives” who go around touting such dishonest “fact checking” pieces, because those pieces favor the candidate for whom they are shamelessly cheerleading, deserve to have their conservative card revoked, for good. Then, someone should take a metaphorical two-by-four to their head, in the form of a scathing post that lays out their duplicity.
This is such a post. It is another in my series of posts debunking the absurd screeching of Rubio fan-boi “AG Conservative” in a post deceptively titled 6 Blatant Ted Cruz Lies about Marco Rubio. This evening’s debunked lie is this:
3) Cruz claims that Rubio “supports citizenship for 12 million people here illegally” (Debate) and “advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally”
(http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/cruz-distorts-rubios-immigration-stance/)
As noted in the factcheck link above, this is clearly false. The assumption here is that Rubio advocates for citizenship for every illegal currently here, but even the dreaded Gang of Eight bill would have not allowed anything near that. Rubio has always said that anyone that is here illegally and convicted of another felony must be deported and given the requirements before anyone could possible obtain citizenship, the number that would actually ever reach that point is much smaller than 12 million.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/cruz-distorts-rubios-immigration-stance/
Let’s look at the FactCheck.org analysis of Cruz’s claim that that “advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally.” The specific quote from Cruz was: “He even advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally.” How does FactCheck.org handle that?
The Gang of Eight Senate immigration bill, S. 744 — which Rubio voted for but later backed away from — would have withheld Registered Provisional Immigrant status from those convicted of felonies, three or more misdemeanors, certain foreign offenses or unlawful voting.
Rubio’s campaign noted that Rubio also supported a failed amendment to the Gang of Eight bill sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn that would have gone even further to preclude from residency anyone who had committed misdemeanor offenses including domestic violence, child abuse and neglect, assault resulting in bodily injury, the violation of a protection order, or driving while intoxicated. The amendment also would have excluded from residency anyone convicted of three or more misdemeanors other than minor traffic offenses. (See page 4427 of the Congressional Record.) Cruz also voted in favor of the amendment.
So one could argue that Rubio’s plan would allow those convicted of some misdemeanor crimes to obtain legal residency, but Cruz’s blanket claim that Rubio “advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally” omits the criminal exceptions that Rubio has outlined.
(I love that “one could argue” bit. That’s fact-checker speak for “it is true but we don’t like it, so rather than saying it’s true, we’ll say ‘one could argue’ it.”)
But Cruz didn’t say Rubio “advocates amnesty for all criminals who are here illegally.” He said Rubio “advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally.” And Rubio absolutely does advocate amnesty for criminals who are here illegally. Namely, criminals who meet the other requirements of the Gang of 8 law, whose specific crimes are not the crimes that the Gang of 8 bill (or the amendment that Rubio voted for) said would deprive them of a chance at legalization.
Therefore, to call this claim by Cruz a “blatant lie” is . . . well, we won’t call it a “lie.” But it’s not accurate.
P.S. It would end the post with a strong partisan flourish if I could devastatingly show that Cruz’s other claim — that Rubio “supports citizenship for 12 million people here illegally” — is also true beyond the shadow of a doubt. Vindicated, and vindicated again! Pow! Biff! Bam!
Unfortunately, intellectual honesty precludes me from saying this. Indeed, FactCheck.org quotes Cruz as saying: “He [Rubio] advocates legalization and citizenship for everyone here illegally.” That’s clearly not true. The Gang of Eight bill did not seek to legalize “everyone” here illegally. There were specific criteria set out in the bill. And Cruz has no other basis I am aware of to make the claim, besides Rubio’s support for the Gang of Eight bill.
Which doesn’t make Cruz’s statement a LIE, by the way. It’s just inaccurate. Maybe he forget the qualifier.
What you just witnessed was a Cruz supporter acknowledging that Cruz said something not entirely accurate. Fanbois like AG Conservative will never do that. Trust me. They scream liar at Cruz even when he is telling the truth, but if you give them evidence of Rubio lying, they’ll spin, ignore, and spin some more.
It’s why I have decided to have no more personal interaction with such people on Twitter. It just makes me mad. But I’ll continue refuting their BREATHLESS CLAIMS OF LIES BY CRUZ here on the blog.
I’m just getting started, in fact!
UPDATE:
@Patterico You 3rd "debunking" concludes by admitting that Cruz lied about Rubio? hahaha these are hilarious. Keep going.
— AG (@AG_Conservative) February 23, 2016
My statement in the post, by the way, was “Which doesn’t make Cruz’s statement a LIE, by the way.”
Do you see what I mean?
UPDATE:
My statement in the post, by the way, was “Which doesn’t make Cruz’s statement a LIE, by the way.”
Do you see what I mean?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/22/2016 @ 7:44 pmI have said it before
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 2/22/2016 @ 7:51 pmas many know
that I would prefer to believe nothing
until cross examined by patterico
on the stand
under oath
in front of Chuck Norris
in his prime
hasta manana, todos
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 2/22/2016 @ 7:52 pmRubio backer here, as a preface. (See my “Buckley Rule” explanation in comments to Patrick’s “Rubio Said One thing Here and Another there” #2/2.
This appears to boil down to, “Was Ted Cruz REALLY TRULY in favor of legalizing (if not citizen-izing) illegals, when he proposed an amendment to the Gang of Eight bill to that effect?”
My answer is, No. Just as Cruz says, this was a poison pill, a test to see if the leftist would accept anything less than citizenship for illegals as part of the deal. (And no, they wouldn’t. Cruz made his case brilliantly, if harshly.)
I reject the fact-checker’s view here. And I’m still for Rubio, albeit largely because I don’t think my preferred candidate, Cruz, can win in 2016.
Mitch (bfd5cd) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:03 pmPatterico, I love you man. I may have never come up on your radar, but here’s some homespun wisdom.
Gus (a084f0) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:04 pmTrust yourself. The MFM The 3rd estate, the MEDIA, The “Pundits” are mostly and nearly all LIBERAL CLOWNS, who were raised lib, went to lib schools, had lib parents and graduated for ULTRA LIB Colleges Universities and then LIBTARD “Journalism” read URINALISM Grad schools. If your INTELLECT, YOUR BRAIN, your INSTINCTS, and your GUT tells you something. TRUST YOURSELF and NOT PUBLIC sentiment.
I had a “rumble” a “fist fight” in High School. The same High School that Steven Hayes went to.
My rival met me at the appointed time and the appointed place. Both of us had a couple buddies/pals with us. My rival said. Gus (hahahahahhahaha, not my real name) only one rule!! No punching in the face. Our FIGHT was a 2 hitter!!!! I hit him in the face, and he hit the ground.
Don’t play by ALYNSKY’S rules. It’s heads you lose, tails they win.
So, Patterico, if Rubio is the candidate, will you not vote for him either? It’s beginning to sound that way.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:41 pmWhat difference does it make, they’re both ineligible.
ropelight (97ef16) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:45 pmHe’s really annoying the hell out of me, but I would have to vote for him, for the Court.
Of course, my vote would make zero practical difference and amounts to nothing but virtue-signaling. But that is how I would vote.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:53 pmBy the way, Kevin M, it may surprise you, but I am not necessarily averse to a legislative form of DACA. What Obama has done is unacceptable and illegal, and I worry about the incentives, but while I believe in holding adults accountable for their actions, I understand the humanitarian impulse towards allowing children brought here through no fault of their own to stay.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:55 pmRenounce Twitter.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/22/2016 @ 8:59 pmLong-form is your forte. You can still do one-liners here if you want to. Others are already doing it.
Renounce Twitter. 😀
Okay, I’m off to shout at those kids on the lawn.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:01 pmWhy I want Cruz: He is more likely to prosecute the bejeezus out of Obama’s criminals. His cleaning out of the DoJ and other swamps will be ruthless and thorough and his reform agenda will be comprehensive.
What I don’t like about Cruz: He tends to have trouble listening to people. He also seems willing to put ideology before practicality or even humanity. Not the softer, gentler path. He also seems to have trouble connecting with people, and doesn’t seem to care.
Why I like Rubio: He’s human. He connects with everyone in the room. He is conservative enough — actually more conservative on social issues that Cruz — but seems like he’s able to get things done. While I’d prefer Cruz’s positions on some issues, they don’t do a damn bit of good if they remain just issues. Rubio can get 80% of what he wants while Cruz is still holding out for 100%. I also prefer his take on immigration. Sorry, but I do, so long as it never includes citizenship.
Why I don’t like Rubio: He’s slick. He sounds great telling truth and he sounds great telling bullsh1t. He probably will let most of Obama’s crooks slide. WHY WON’T ANYONE ASK ABOUT THAT? But he’s such a contrast to Hillary that those young’uns will have to rethink their devotion to Mother Hubbard.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:02 pmI have a question. When Rubio presented immigration reform as his preferred method to deal with DACA on Spanish language television, was he presenting that same immigration reform to English audiences?
And then this new day one repeal was a bit of retail politics adjustment overlaying his previous position?
Is that the way of it?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:04 pmOff-topic, slightly:
I would like to see a constitutional amendment introduced that would prevent amnesty EVER allowing illegals to be naturalized.
Such as: “No person, having entered the country unlawfully as an adult, may be naturalized.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:05 pmSounds like Cruz’s amendment to the Gang of 8.
But I agree.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:07 pmPatterico–
It may surprise you but I have really no problem with a lot of illegals being deported. Particularly those who show no signs of making a life for themselves here, the grifters, and the recent arrivals.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:12 pmIt might be fun if Cruz offered that up as an actual resolution and then asked Rubio to sponsor it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:13 pmI’d settle for enforcing the laws already on the books.
ropelight (97ef16) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:14 pmThe laws on the books say:
“Only welfare recipients can come in from Mexico. We welcome you! Workers stay home.”
And they’ve been that way since Teddy Kennedy wrote them in 1965. Pretty much why the system is so screwed up.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:26 pmI have renounced Twitter, for what it’s worth. Now if I can muster the energy to delete my 4K+ tweets over the next few months, I’ll be even more happy about the action.
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:33 pmEvery c̶o̶n̶s̶e̶r̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ person who is not brain-dead despises Big Media “fact checkers”
FIFY 😉
Bradley J. Fikes (87aae0) — 2/22/2016 @ 9:44 pmIt pains me to say this…
http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/02/22/video-dick-van-dyke-endorses-bernie-sanders-he-may-be-the-last-voice-we-ever-hear
but somebody tell me about the last Gran Torino or
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/22/2016 @ 10:30 pmThe whole quotations mark thingy continues to elude me.
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/22/2016 @ 10:34 pmI doubt anyone cares. But I lowered myself down, right hand, and
I pressed myself up.
I made sure to do it slow. So it would be harder.
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/22/2016 @ 11:39 pmhaiku, I used something called tweetdelete.net to clear my twitter account. Then I disabled the app in twitter settings. It worked fine without any bad side effects. Twitter makes it very tedious to delete even a small number of tweets.
Dustin (804029) — 2/23/2016 @ 12:55 amI’m going say this for the sake of Cruz. Cruz should join Trump and take out this Power grab establishment that will lie steal and cheat and election with Rubio as their front man. Cruz and Trump should join forces. Trump should learn to take Cruz’s lead when it comes to dealing with DC. The people need to win here and Cruz is the only man that has fought for the people. Trump talks about restoring for the sake of the people but he doesn’t have a record to prove it. If Trump is this nee found republican… put his money where his mouth is and adopt a Cruz philosophy….
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 5:23 am19.The laws on the books say:
“Only welfare recipients can come in from Mexico. We welcome you! Workers stay home.”
And they’ve been that way since Teddy Kennedy wrote them in 1965. Pretty much why the system is so screwed up.
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and they get treated better than US soldiers are treated because the democrats hates the military. ISIS has never been stronger…. The US has never been BO weaker…. And BOB DOLE endorses Rubio…. that should be the Kiss of death.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 5:31 amI wont vote for Rubio…. and neither will most conservatives AND HILLARY will be your next president…. exactly what Cruz said would happen. The establishment / ruling class in DC WANTS Rubio or Clinton….BUT they prefer Clinton….. Its Cruz or bust for me….
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 5:35 amYes but where Barry van duke and Randolph mantoot stand.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 5:59 amIt that was too obscure, remember how they got the cast of Andy giffith to do an ad for Obama in 2008
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:04 amJRT,
If you sit out the general election because Cruz doesn’t become the nominee, and Hillary ends up winning, she actually becomes YOUR President, too. And those Supreme Court nominees are for life—not just four years of a presidential term.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:22 amIf you happen to have the personal finances and assets to weather four more years of Leftist insanity, then I salute you on your good fortune, but these Obama/Hillary policies really hurt working people who make it from paycheck to paycheck, who don’t have any money saved for a rainy day—or saved for four years of a Left Wing Presidency.
Your kind of talk—I’ll just sit home on Election Day, enabling Hillary to win, so take your punishment, America!—sounds a lot like the lack of compassion for other people’s hardships that the Lefties always try to label us with when they accuse Paul Ryan of wanting to push Grandma off the cliff in her wheelchair, etc.
Excerpt from Christine Ayala describing Kevin McCarthy’s appearance on Morning Joe as reported in the Dallas Morning News:
ropelight (e16666) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:28 amPoliticians pandering to mouth-breathers is what’s got us to this mess. If they want to vote for Trump or Hillary or the Devil, let them, and may the Devil take them.
nk (dbc370) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:29 amAnd that wasn’t the problem in the last election, white blue collar voters stated away in drives, something the vaunted autopsy missed.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:30 amYeah, Cruz’s claim is misleading, and so is Patterico in defending Cruz since he bolded the wrong part of the paragraph, specifically “…but Cruz’s blanket claim that Rubio ‘advocates amnesty for criminals who are here illegally’ omits the criminal exceptions that Rubio has outlined.”
WarrenPeese (b535a8) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:34 amCruz also gets dinged for constantly misusing the term “amnesty“, but that’s a problem with the party in general.
Bret Stephens wrote a good piece in the Wall Street Journal asking where Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh were several months ago when Trump could have used a little deflating rather than cheerleading. Oh yeah, he mentions they were the ones shaking the pom-poms.
…and now, Levin sits here behind his microphone and yells (no, really, he YELLS) that Trump’s not talking like a conservative, and he’s flip-lopping, and that his attacks on Cruz are dispicable.
Yes, Mr. Levin, we warned you all about Trump last summer.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:36 amjrt for Cruz, you won’t vote for Rubio. Several guys here won’t vote for Trump. It amuses me that I’ve never heard a democrat, EVER, say they won’t vote for a democrat. And you guys wonder why we lose. Tell me the next time a democrat poses they’ll never vote for Sanders cause they’re loyal to Hillary!. Or vice versa. They would vote for Hitler if he ran as a democrat and don’t think they wouldn’t.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:42 amSo dropping AG off my Twitter feed. Had not caught he was a Rubio lover. Then again I haven’t been too active as of late.
ESUBERE (6e1fc7) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:42 amBecause functionally it doesn’t matter of you’re for zaphod or red queen, they are all borg
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:45 amRubio is a mess. Rubio is a waste. Rubio is big fat mess.
The Emperor (3e86e5) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:46 amIs AG Conservative an Aggie?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:55 am#25… thanks, Dustin. I got started and “tedious” doesn’t do it justice.
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 6:58 am“I doubt anyone cares. But I lowered myself down, right hand, and
I pressed myself up.
I made sure to do it slow. So it would be harder.”
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/22/2016 @ 11:39 pm
Do tell! Wait a minute… what are we talking about here?!?!
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:00 amWhy would I put dishonest spin in bold?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:07 amWhy, to fool WarrenPeese , why else?
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:19 am@43, nothing important, coronello. Just something a Green Beret said to me once.
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:29 amDo tell! Wait a minute… what are we talking about here?!?!
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:00 am
Just a guess, but that’s what I do when I sit down on the couch with a drink in one hand and have to get up again to reach the remote.
nk (dbc370) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:31 amNice guess.
But wrong.
Steve57 (b30def) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:37 amI’m giving up Twitter as well, as a protest vote against silencing conservative voices and the hours I have frittered away on Twitter is nothing short of shameful.
But, on this article – am really missing the ❤️ button!
AmericanGypsea (aa7032) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:38 amjrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 5:35 am
There is no difference between Cruz and Rubio in the kinds of judges would appoint, in my opinion.
Kasich would probably appoint Kennedy or Roberts types which is still far better than what Hillary would appoint. Kennedy has voted right on a bunch of things like guns and affirmative action. He even voted that the Obamacare mandate was unconstitutional. He has a pretty good voting record on abortion although he’s not a vote to overturn Roe. Roberts is similar to Kennedy. He did not join Kennedy’s wacko SSM decision but he voted to allow the Obamacare mandate. Neither is another Scalia but they’re far better than the alternative.
What Trump would appoint is anybody’s guess, but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t appoint a Scalia.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:41 amI’d be fine with President Rubio as long as he let Ted Cruz make all the important decisions, like picking a Supreme Court Justice, down-sizing government, cutting regulations, and making immigration policy decisions — but that won’t happen.
And I think AG_Conservative is an Aggie.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/23/2016 @ 7:59 amTesting. ❤️
nk (dbc370) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:02 amI’m not aware of any polls here in VA, but if it appears on the eve of the primary on March 1st that Rubio clearly has the better shot to win I may be forced to vote for him. I have to be pragmatic. If he and Cruz are about even then of course I’ll vote Cruz.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:23 amIt’s about stopping Trump at this point, Gerald A, but the SEC primary will help us tell who can do that best.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:30 am#54
Stopping Trump from winning as many states as possible on Super Tuesday is necessary IMO.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:41 amThere is no difference between Cruz and Rubio in the kinds of judges would appoint, in my opinion.
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I think Rubio is no different than a Joe Biden…. only interested in saying and doing what is needed to get elected…. Career politician… He went against FL and he will go against the rest of the nation. Trump and Cruz are both “the buck stops here”…. I will only vote for whomever Cruz endorses and I most likely wont vote unless Cruz is the candidate for the general election.
I have never been a fan of Beck but he is going above and beyond measure to expose Rubio’s lies and twisting of Ted’s words. Rubio is using what he himself said to try and paint Cruz with saying….. Rubio must go….. Rubio is not up for his senate seat in FL because he cut his deal with the GOP DC Establishment/Cartel.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:49 amshort and squat
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:51 amrooster or?????
hen
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:52 amwhy is Carson and Kasich still in. Kick them out… for low numbers.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:56 amback at the ranch:
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/4-arrested-in-spain-morocco-for-isis-armed-group-ties-1280490
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:59 amRubio is the GOP Cartel Establishment pick….. Trump is his own man and has mostly moderate democrats and disgruntled BO voters supporting him. Cruz is the only true conservative candidate. Trump and Cruz should team up and blow this popsicle joint. Trump is too old for two terms. Cruz should run as Trumps VP and call it a day. Trump has much to learn. Maybe some of Cruz would rub off onto him.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:02 amI mean of course if Rubio clearly has the better shot to win in VA (not other states) I’ll vote for him.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:04 am“One thing that people like about Trump — as a major contrast to Obama, and also to Hillary and Sanders — is that whatever his other flaws, he appears to believe in America.”
– Glenn Reynolds
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:06 amJRT,
What are the terms of this secret “deal” that Rubio allegedly “cut” with these unidentified shady characters in the backroom of a smoking lounge in Washington DC? Or did they merely just meet in broad daylight for lunch at McCormick & Schmick’s? And inquiring minds want to know—did Karl Rove order the grilled salmon?
Marco Rubio and Joe Biden reside on opposite sides of the political spectrum. This moral equivalency stuff is nonsense. If Rubio (or fill in name of any other “RINO!!”) is a secret Democrat in Republican clothing, then wouldn’t it be wiser for him to just flip over to the Democrats where he could be fawned over by the media?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:08 amRubio has shown his colors. He ran as a tea party and then designed the gang of 8 amnesty Bill that only Cruz fought against. Cruz is the toughest on amnesty but Trump is better than Rubio as a seconds because Trump wont cut the deals Rubio will. There is something fishy with Rubio…. You will see. Time will tell with slick Marco
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:20 amJRT,
When you say there’s something “fishy” with Marco, is that a subtle tip-off that he was the one who ordered the grilled salmon at McCormick & Schmick’s? Come on, you’re holding us hostage with suspense. Tell us about this “deal” that Marco cut with Washington insiders over lunch, so that he wouldn’t run for re-election. Although, it all seems shockingly(!) counterintuitive. Usually, in conspiracies, don’t people “cut a deal” so that they can get the blessing to run for re-election—rather than to give up their Senate re-election bid?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:26 amIt’s some bad gefilte Mark Levin ate before his last program.
nk (dbc370) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:32 amWhy are you fighting about Cruz or Rubio as an alternative to Trump? Jeb! is going to be the nominee. Trump is actually helping Jeb! by taking all the oxygen away from the other contenders.
Always trust content from Vox.
Bradley J. Fikes (87aae0) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:35 am#63
Rush just quoted Trump saying he’ll prosecute Hillary if elected. It’s fine that he’s willing to say that…and nobody else would say that, which is why many people are drawn to him.
But: There’s no larger principle there. It’s a one of a kind issue unrelated to anything else and is purely a tactical thing to help himself get elected. It has nothing to do with moving the nation in a conservative direction. And I tend to doubt that she actually will get indicted if he’s elected.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:36 amIm saying Rubio’s dry mouth, sweating and fast talking on top of lying about Cruz is a tip off.
As much as Trump is a hypocrite…..I don’t trust Rubio and think Trump is slightly better
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:40 amJRT,
That’s kind of a let down. I was looking forward to hearing the details of this alleged secret meeting. Next time you tease us with Washington DC gossip, you’ll understand if I’m skeptical, won’t you? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:47 amLevin was on fire last night…. He played the “why Cruz in more dangerous than Trump” audio from what was posted here and the Biden bit posted here as well. Levin is close in line with this site. Levin also could not get one supporter for Rubio on the phone AND every Florida caller was not happy with Rubio…. Rubio is NOT up for re-election of his Florida senate seat. No wonder…
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:47 am71.JRT,
That’s kind of a let down. I was looking forward to hearing the details of this alleged secret meeting. Next time you tease us with Washington DC gossip, you’ll understand if I’m skeptical, won’t you? (LOL)
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:50 amCruz Supporter (102c9a)
73.71.JRT,
That’s kind of a let down. I was looking forward to hearing the details of this alleged secret meeting. Next time you tease us with Washington DC gossip, you’ll understand if I’m skeptical, won’t you? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a)
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Rubio is not up for reelection to his senate seat. He needs to win the presidency to continue with his career in politics so he can be like his idol Joe Biden, also slick but from the opposite… no wait same party as the rest of Rubio’s buddies are from……HOW can anyone NOT see a deal Rubio made. He will run on what the voter wants to hear and then he will Govern on what DC pays him to do.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:55 amWhat a yapper on this snapper!
Colonel Haiku (250e3e) — 2/23/2016 @ 9:56 amNo WAY Trump will ever prosecute Hillary. Hillary has so much blackmail on Trump and others in her back pocket that she keeps her safe and she knows it…. This is why she is so bold about getting away with her crimes because she threatens to blow the whistle on them all. Only Cruz doesn’t have dirty laundry for Hillary to drag out….. Trump will have much that she will threaten to use on him when the time is right. Rubio too…. there is dirty laundry there.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 10:02 amJRT,
Yes, we know Rubio’s not up for re-election. That’s why it was so funny to hear you suggest that he cut some sort of deal to NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION. That’s what you literally wrote in #56. See below.
“Rubio is not up for his senate seat in FL because he cut his deal with the GOP DC Establishment/Cartel.”
I’m just cheerfully funnin’ with you JRT because you take such a “there’s a secret cabal pulling strings” approach to everything.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 10:35 am❤️
nk (dbc370) — 2/23/2016 @ 10:37 amI’m pretty much at the point where I would vote for Trump over Rubio. Is he terrible? Yes. Worse than Rubio? Probably. But I don’t think that the folks who comprise the establishment (who aren’t monothlic, nor a conspiracy) in general, won’t learn the lessons that need to be taught any other way. It’s incredibly frustrating when I deal with local party chairmen and officials who look at this as some betrayal after folks like myself have worked on their campaigns for years and gotten broken promises on health care, the budget, the courts, the many, many institutions in government without even serious proposals. Indeed conservatives seem to be vilified as much by our “own team” as by liberals. We’re mad as hell and Rubio lying about his intentions and then running around yelling about how everyone else is lying and pretending to be above it all is as sanctimonious as all the other BS we’ve suffered. It’s incredibly off putting and I’m done with it. Luckily I’m in Texas. I would say 35% of the people I know here are of the opinion that Texas would be better off on it’s own. I’d say half of the people I know think that might happen in their lifetime. I bet that sentiment is shared by a lot of people, left and right, around the country. It’s a bad sign of things to come and it’s why the stakes of an ever growing government need to be lowered. If not, well at least I’m in Texas.
John (e6b936) — 2/23/2016 @ 10:59 amGood job. I’m interested in the truth, and if that means pointing out that my guy wasn’t accurate or sloppy or lied, or whatever the case may be, ok. I’m tough enough to take it. As long as we apply the same level of analysis to every candidate, it’s good.
Now, about Rubio. Like a lot of FL voters, I voted for the guy when he ran against Charlie Crist for the Senate. Back in those days, Rubio sounded like a Tea Party guy. He said all the right things. However, what he’s done since then has shown his true character.
The point is that Rubio lied. Unfortunately, he has kept it up by accusing Cruz of supporting amnesty via his poison pill amendments. So the issue of character remains in play.
InRussetShadows (41a564) — 2/23/2016 @ 11:39 am77.JRT,
Yes, we know Rubio’s not up for re-election. That’s why it was so funny to hear you suggest that he cut some sort of deal to NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION. That’s what you literally wrote in #56. See below.
“Rubio is not up for his senate seat in FL because he cut his deal with the GOP DC Establishment/Cartel.”
I’m just cheerfully funnin’ with you JRT because you take such a “there’s a secret cabal pulling strings” approach to everything.
Cruz Supporter
He doesn’t have his senate seat career..to fallback in if the executive positions doesn’t pan out….. Why are you having a hard time seeing that he is desperate to cut a deal with DC.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 1:31 pmJRT,
You actually said he already cut a deal with the secret DC cabal.
I believe the reason he’s not running for re-election to the Senate is because FL law prohibits a person from running for two federal offices concurrently. It has nothing to do with any secret deal to guarantee him the Presidency.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/23/2016 @ 1:45 pmlayers of editors,
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/227449/
I think we’re speaking of the phasing in of e-verify prior to other provisions of the bill,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/23/2016 @ 2:13 pmhttp://thefederalist.com/2016/02/22/rubio-needs-to-move-aside-for-cruz-not-vice-versa/
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 2/23/2016 @ 2:24 pmWhy waste your energy talking about messed up Rubio and wasted Cruz? Focus on the man who’s on track to win the nomination; Trump. Trump2016. Trump will obliterate Hillary. I can’t wait for the general election. Go Trump!
The Emperor (364267) — 2/23/2016 @ 3:16 pmChimperor is a moron.
JD (e36ade) — 2/23/2016 @ 3:37 pmJD is a mess.
The Emperor (364267) — 2/23/2016 @ 3:41 pmDonald Trump’s Elect Hillary Tour continues full speed….
What the Truck? (acddd7) — 2/23/2016 @ 4:29 pmAG_Conservative is truly embarrassing himself with his dishonest nonsense. I’d be over there helping you ridicule him Patterico, but I’m done with Twitter. Burn it down.
SPQR (4764ea) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:49 pmTeh Chimperor!
SPQR! Greetings! Agree re: Twitter… ashes to ashes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/23/2016 @ 8:57 pm