Donald Trump Says One Thing But Does Another. So What’s New?
[guest post by Dana]
Hypocrisy. It appears to be a theme today! Hypocrites abound on the left, the right, and those who maniacally dance all across the board like Donald Trump. The candidate, whose “Make America Great Again” campaign focuses on bringing jobs back to America (from China, Mexico, and elsewhere), continually boasts:
I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. I’ll bring back our jobs and I’ll bring back our money.
Now he is calling for a boycott against Apple until the company cooperates with officials. This reminds of Trump’s speech at Liberty University last month, when he promised:
“We’re going to get Apple to build their damn computers and things in this country instead of in other countries.”
And in the same speech, the self-proclaimed “free-trader” said:
Free trade is good. But we have to do it [force them back to the US]. Or we won’t have a country left.
All of which strikes me as funny, because:
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 2/20/2016 @ 10:08 ami can’t afford clothes made in america
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:15 amSo all that “Make America Great Again” is just a convenient hype? Huh. I did not know that.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:21 amAmericans like diversity, our shirts are imported from China and our jackets from Mexico. We even import our presidential candidates from Canada, Cuba, and New York City.
ropelight (b80664) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:48 amYou can’t win a out trump supporters and we won’t vote for canada turd crud (the new nixon) for dog catcher and rubio is a punk!
trump our next president (1d176a) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:54 amBlack people are coming to steal your lawn, Perry. You better bring it inside.
nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:59 amAlmost all of Donald Trump’s claimed net worth now is tied up in the “Trump Brand,” and it consists of “goodwill.” Goodwill is the value of a person or business’ reputation insofar as it is perceived by the public to be an accurate prediction of future ability to perform one’s contractual obligations and deliver goods or services as promised.
So Donald Trump is rich because people believe he’s rich.
Well, he is rich; his daddy’s fortune, which he’s squandered repeatedly, he’s pulled back together repeatedly through deceit and braggadocio. But he’s nowhere as rich as he claims, and the most valuable piece of his portfolio — the “Trump Brand” — depends entirely on the fickle whims of the public and, in his case, his continuing ability to continue deceiving people.
Almost all of his revenue now comes not from real estate or businesses that he owns or controls, but rather from companies who pay him licensing fees — like this clothing maker did — for the use of the Trump name.
When I see that, it’s like looking at something which has “Solid 24k Gold” written on it in magic marker. “Wow,” I think, “that claims to be gold.” But it turns out to be cardboard and spray-paint on closer examination.
happyfeet, have you got gold spraypaint on your nose? narciso? ropelight?
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:59 amTrump’s licensing fee, in this case, is his “cut” on the con-job being perpetrated by the clothing manufacturer, who wants the Trump allure (cough-cough-sputter) to rub off.
In other words, the clothing manufacturer recognizes that Trump has fooled some substantial number of people into thinking that “Trump” signifies something good, rather than something foul and vulgar. And there are indeed enough stupid people who’ve bought into that fantasy — shall I list the commenter names here? Do any of them have Trump-brand anything in their houses? Have you been fleeced by the markups charged by the businesses in Trump Tower? — so that getting a few percentage off these sales can turn into real money.
If Trump had an ounce of integrity or believed for an instant in any of the crap he’s peddling as a candidate, of course he’d be careful what companies do with the Trump name that he licenses.
But he’s has no integrity, and very few of the suckers will notice, and the ones who have it brought to their attention will ignore it and make excuses for him. (Pro-Trump commenters here, that’s your cue to self-identify again, to proudly point to the “Sucker” stamp on your foreheads because Trump has told you that it really says “Trumplike Genius.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 12:04 pmnonono Mr. Beldar you are not doing the understands
here’s is my thinking
I cannot have another 4 dreary years of fascist and corrupt rule on my head whether it’s the nasty old man or the disgusting old woman i can’t have this in my life
Mr. Trump is the frontrunner
right now he’s the most likely one what will save us all what will save you and me and america
that has to count for something
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 12:06 pmTrump hypocrisies…
1. Questions Cruz’s faith, lambasted Pope for reflecting on his.
2. Screams bloody murder about illegal immigrants taking American jobs, hires them for golf courses and building projects.
3. Righteously indignant as to how Cruz treated Carson in Iowa, but called the man pathological akin to a child molester.
4. Accuses Cruz of beholden to wall street for a million dollar loan, owes over 400 million to various banks.
5. Smears Cruz as nasty and maniacal, has history of insulting cripples/women/etc.
6. Accuses everyone of being a liar, but does so himself about supporting OIF/healthcare mandates/etc.
7. He’s the greatest businessman ever, can’t sell meat or liquor to save his life.
8. Everyone’s a loser except him…long history of failed ventures that screwed investors/municipalities/banks/etc.
We can do this all day. Why exactly does this guy attract supporters? All the candidates are flawed, nothing can hold a candle to the Donald.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/20/2016 @ 12:08 pmTrump is the Trojan Horse
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 12:33 pmhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3382313/posts
Trump socks made in Bangladesh, monogrammed handkerchiefs made in Vietnam…
Dana (329707) — 2/20/2016 @ 12:51 pmHis golf courses have plenty of cimaliens working for him.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:03 pmWhy exactly does this guy attract supporters?
First, something I alluded to a while back as a rather simplistic idea that has taken hold: Many of his supporters are fixated on the idea of “an enemy of the GOPe is a friend of mine”.
Second, this is a big part of it:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-elephant-in-the-room/article/2001170
His positions on the border and Muslims are of course totally un-PC. His political incorrectness is probably the single best thing about him.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:21 pmplus he’ll be the greatest jobs president God ever created
and not a moment too soon if you ask me
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:22 pmMr. Feet, before May 6, 1937, the German passenger airship LZ 129 Hindenburg was the frontrunner in trans-Atlantic luxury fast travel, and was widely seen on both sides of the Atlantic and all around the world as the harbinger of the future. Then it tried to moor at Lakehurst, New Jersey.
The bigger — the YUUUUUGER — they are, the harder they fall.
The question here isn’t whether Trump will explode, it’s how much damage he will do to the GOP and the country before he does, and how much more difficult it will be for the GOP or the country to recover if he gets any closer to the nomination.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:32 pmAsk the people laid off in his four waves of corporate bankruptcies about that job-creating thing, Mr. Feet.
Failure doesn’t create jobs.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:32 pmJeb Bush is running a PC campaign. John Kasich is running a PC campaign. Marco Rubio is running a mostly-PC campaign. Ted Cruz isn’t. He does stay within the bounds of truth and decency, but pointing out the deceits of the GOP Senate leadership is emphatically not politically correct.
The people who are Trump fans aren’t attracted to him because he’s shaken off political correctness. They seem to be attracted because he’s vulgar, which is a different thing altogether. I think they may wish they could shout the word “p*ssy” in front of a big crowd and be cheered for it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:36 pmCurious isn’t it? Rather than extol Ted Cruz’s virtues, his supporters obsessively denigrate Trump. They know vitriol doesn’t change minds, but they can’t help themselves, they do it anyway ignoring the damage it does to their own credibility, oblivious that it also confirms their candidate’s reputation for nastiness and dirty politics.
As Trump’s support grows stronger, his detractors grow more unhinged, and the Cruz campaign less and less likely to attract available voters as other candidates drop out.
Yet, like moths to a flame, Cruz’s supporters seem compelled by some irresistible urge to spend themselves in folly.
ropelight (b80664) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:36 pmI’d guess that at some point both Rubio and Cruz have had a situation where a painter, plumber, gardener, caterer etc has had illegal aliens working the project.
Trump has thousands of people working indirectly for him throughout a broad empire that includes hospitality Hotels, restaurants are businesses where illegals use fake documents to gain employment, same for golf courses. I doubt Trump personally hired any illegals and his official position on illegals working for him would be “you’re fired”.
Absent some type of world wide catastrophe, most clothing purchased in the USA will be made in Asia for the forseeable future.
So Trump will be levying a tariff on his brand(s) and seeing the operators of his hotels and golf courses fire a good percentage of their staff.
Or not. Because Presidents hardly ever get much of what they campaign on done.
I’d prefer Cruz to Trump, but right now it doesn’t look like Cruz can get enough delegates to beat him.
In the end I think it’ll be Trump?Cruz* vs Hillary/Bill.
* the ? mark was on purpose
steveg (fed1c9) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:43 pmThe question here isn’t whether Trump will explode, it’s how much damage he will do to the GOP and the country before he does, and how much more difficult it will be for the GOP or the country to recover if he gets any closer to the nomination.
i just don’t even agree that Mr. The Donald is a GOP candidate, but to the extent that he is it’s one hundred percent a reflection of the very real and very damaging failures that Team R has perpetrated on America for years and years and tears
but no, Mr. Trump is not properly understood as a GOP candidate. GOP candidates are losers like weirdo Mitt Romney and Meghan’s coward daddy that have been emphatically rejected by america (multiple times)
(and Mr. Cruz is walking in their footsteps with his banal adherence to the nostrum of the three legged stool i think)
if Mr. The Donald wins he’ll be representing his supporters not “the GOP” and I think everyone understands that he’s not a for reals R, so he can’t damage the R brand, just his own, and any for reals damage he might do? That’s the duty of the Rs in congress to mitigate.
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:47 pmAsk the people laid off in his four waves of corporate bankruptcies about that job-creating thing, Mr. Feet.
is the epitome of creative destruction really
capitalism is messy god love it
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:47 pmThe people who are Trump fans aren’t attracted to him because he’s shaken off political correctness. They seem to be attracted because he’s vulgar, which is a different thing altogether. I think they may wish they could shout the word “p*ssy” in front of a big crowd and be cheered for it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:36 pm
One opinion, which perhpas is correct,
but it is not mine.
His positions on the border and Muslims are of course totally un-PC. His political incorrectness is probably the single best thing about him.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:21 pm
As I have stated before, that is my opinion. He is the first person well known in the public eye who said “enough of the BS, everybody with a brain knows we need to control the border and quit calling Fort Hood workplace violence. How hard is that???”
I don’t believe that all Trump supports think of his vulgarity as a fixture,
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:47 pmand I think that many of them put up with it (for the moment) because they still appreciate his outspokenness and they don’t know enough about Cruz to realize he is as much as an anti-Repub-e, if not more, than Trump.
Ted Cruz isn’t. He does stay within the bounds of truth and decency, but pointing out the deceits of the GOP Senate leadership is emphatically not politically correct.
Ted Cruz is pandering, same as Mr. The Donald, just more narrowly. And more prissily.
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:48 pm#19 ropelight, it sounds like you just made the argument against Trump’s candidacy. After all, Trump’s the one always engaging in name-calling and insults, isn’t he?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:49 pmi think that image of Mr. Cruz reading children’s stories to america was a really really bad mistake
it’s indelible
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 1:55 pmIt’s heartbreaking to see Trump’s sycophants screaming that President Trump will force all these American manufacturers to bring manufacturing jobs back to America when even he refuses to do it himself. I wish Cruz or Rubio would stand in front of a camera, holding one of the dress shirts from the Donald J. Trump Signature Collection, and reveal the tag in back that says, “Made in China,” or “Made in Mexico.” That would go viral.
Of course, the Trump Fan Boys would say with a straight face that all it does is “prove” once and for all that Megyn Kelly is a bimbo, and that Dr. Ben Carson was not really all that good of a surgeon! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:03 pmIt’s heartbreaking to see Trump’s sycophants screaming that President Trump will force all these American manufacturers to bring manufacturing jobs back to America when even he refuses to do it himself.
there isn’t even a single “sycophant” on this thread saying anything at all like this
not one
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:11 pmropelight’s main pro-Trump argument is that Cruz is ineligible to be President. Then ropelight jumped on the Goldman Sachs “sweetheart loan” lie. Cruz doesn’t have a reputation for nastiness and dirty politics.
If I go only by ropelight’s posts I have no idea Trump’s virtues are supposed to be. Other than contrived anti-Cruz stuff, he mainly says everyone needs to jump on Trump’s bandwagon because he’s going to win and posts Drudge internet polls.
I won’t comment on the absurdity of ropelight using “unhinged” to describe anyone.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:25 pm18… but pointing out the deceits of the GOP Senate leadership is emphatically not politically correct
Apparently politically correct means something different to you than it does to me. Republicans are not one of the protected groups that it is politically incorrect to criticize.
James B. Shearer (0f56fb) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:41 pmWhy not? I certainly had you in mind.
ropelight (b80664) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:41 pmropelight, is President Trump going to bring back manufacturing jobs from China and Mexico?! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:47 pmMr. ropelight is not unhinged i know this for sure cause i been reading a lot of his comments you know who’s unhinged is that jorge ramos
what a sleazy pooper that guy is
greasy sleazy cheesy chinesey
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 2:55 pm“bern” got his yellow teefers smashed in by a disgusting and incontinent old woman
in contrast to “bern” me I’m having the most amazingly good day
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:02 pmThanks Don-o for keeping my brothers mowing your greens, fairways, tees and rough. With the money sent back we buy heroin and walk it back to the U.S.A. for yuuuuge profit.
Lee Trevino (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:07 pmC’mon, happyfeet…you know very well that many of Trump’s sycophants have been championing his cause that he’s going to make America win again! Because we never win anymore! We’re going to win! And stop losing! And Mexico’s going to build a wall—and pay for it! And China’s not going to get any more of those good trade deals! And we’re going to bring back jobs to America!
Whether or not YOU or ropelight or papertiger specifically actually totally undeniably said that at some point in time in some post at Patterico.com…well, I never claimed that, and you know it.
But Trump and his sycophants have been screaming that they’re going to bring back manufacturing jobs to America. It’s just hilarious that he wants other manufacturers to be compelled to do what he’s not even willing to VOLUNTEER to do.
It’s very simple…”Donald J. Trump Signature Collection,” made in China. And made in Mexico.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:10 pmOops!
But Trump and his sycophants have been screaming that they’re going to bring back manufacturing jobs to America.
yes yes i like how they scream
jobs are measurable
I think Mr. Trump will for reals look to job creation as a metric of his success, and I think he’ll move the dial however he has to for so he can make good on his boastings
contrast him with the spineless marxist “food stamps have multipliers” harvardtrash loser in your white house’s once respected oval office
is very stark contrast
happyfeet (831175) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:16 pmTrump probably has more illegals working for him than Hormel.
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:34 pmBeldar, you gentle soul. You worry that Trump is going to damage the GOP? My dear fellow, that is our intention. We want the GOP torn down and crushed and everyone associated with it cast adrift to die in the wastelands. Trump is our man for that. With the GOP power centers destroyed we might actually have a chance to build a party that concerns itself with liberty and the constitution.
Mr Black (3efb66) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:40 pmWell, if we train all those Mexicans here in Amurican factories, then make them all go home to Mexico and hire them there, it’s kind of like we’re hiring Americans, see?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:45 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCT6Bdoh8c0
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:49 pmBeldar, you gentle soul. You worry that Trump is going to damage the GOP? My dear fellow, that is our intention. We want the GOP torn down and crushed and everyone associated with it cast adrift to die in the wastelands. Trump is our man for that. With the GOP power centers destroyed we might actually have a chance to build a party that concerns itself with liberty and the constitution.
And this is the truth. Whether they are mobys, like Trump himself, or fringe fools like Mr Black, or the nihilists or anarchists that infest these interwebs — they just want to tear it all down.
They’re like Dr. No — they think that THEY will rise once the powerful are crushed. It is only the orchestrated conspiracies of the Bilderburgers that have been holding the world back from the anarcho-capitalist/Marxistist/fascist/monarchist/Christian/whatever utopia that the masses secretly strive for.
Which is why it is useless to try to appeal to reason. There is none. There is just mindless rage and hatred. This will end badly.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:53 pmEven if Trump is elected, the only question is how long he will serve. The two parties will still control Congress, the bulk of Trump’s “support” will have come from “not Bernie” and he will continue to do things that boggle the mind. Impeachment is a certainty, the only question is when, and if the VP gets impeached first.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2016 @ 3:59 pmtrump/madoff
mg (31009b) — 2/20/2016 @ 4:01 pmKevin M,
Trump’s an angry guy, and he appeals to people who embrace fifth grade name-calling on the playground. “Hey fatso!” “Hey four eyes!” “Hey cissy!” “Hey jerk!” “Hey loser!”
They just to want to break stuff. They don’t have a good grasp of history, so they don’t understand how fragile civilizations are. They think you can just blow it up, and then re-inflate it. Just like has been succesfully accomplished in….oh, which country exactly?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/20/2016 @ 4:11 pm#43, Surely, it’s a heavy burden to know the future with such certainty. The pain must be nearly unbearable. Have a nice glass of warm milk and think about spotted puppies happily frolicking on a green grassy sward.
ropelight (b80664) — 2/20/2016 @ 4:12 pmSouth Carolina early results are just starting to come in. Trump in the lead, followed by Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Carson, and Kasich.
Caution: Very early results.
ropelight (b80664) — 2/20/2016 @ 4:15 pmYes, but he produces 100% of all his bullshit right here in the US. That has to count for something, no?
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 2/20/2016 @ 4:53 pmYou worry that Trump is going to damage the GOP? My dear fellow, that is our intention. We want the GOP torn down and crushed and everyone associated with it cast adrift to die in the wastelands. Trump is our man for that. With the GOP power centers destroyed we might actually have a chance to build a party that concerns itself with liberty and the constitution.
The problem with this, of course, is that while you tear down and crush everyone associated with the GOP, you assume that it is the good conservative that will fill the void, and ignore the fact that an even angrier soul might find a way in to power.
Mostly what concerns me is that I feel via Trump, we are witnessing the dumbing down of American politics in so much as any critical thinking and reasoning about policy and issues are concerned. It simply does not matter what the foundation of Trump candidates see as the underpinning of Trump’s political philosophies and his understanding of the Constitution. How are these not critical to the candidate as a whole? So you are voting with anger and rage and frustration. I understand that. But that just means that you are voting for the person with the biggest mouth *saying* the right things with nothing to back it up. In the very, very short term, it might feel like a swaggering victory and a brash take-no-prisoners win, but so what? At the end of the day, he will have to actually govern.
Dana (86e864) — 2/20/2016 @ 5:42 pmJust like has been succesfully accomplished in….oh, which country exactly?
Well, Germany. Twice, or even three times depending on how you count. But, oy!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2016 @ 6:06 pmThe problem with this, of course, is that while you tear down and crush everyone associated with the GOP, you assume that it is the good conservative that will fill the void, and ignore the fact that an even angrier soul might find a way in to power.
Von Hindenburg was a stuffed shirt and completely ineffective at rescuing Germany from the disaster of WWI and Versailles. So, everyone was down with getting rid of him, but they had no real plan on who should lead. So, this guy Hitler gets a mild plurality of the vote…
Czar Nicolas was a clueless fool who could not see he had to devolve power until it was far past too late. Everyone agreed the system had to be blown up and a system responsible to the people replace it. But there were some folks who were readier than the others and they had a plan…
Brutus and Cassius and the other Senators knew that Caesar threatened a dictatorship. They had been squabbling for years, letting Rome drift into ruin and only woke up when their cheese was threatened. So they killed him and blew everything up. They all died. So did Antony who sought to profit. And Emperors ruled for more than a millennium.
But what the hell, let’s just burn it down. What could go wrong?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/20/2016 @ 6:18 pmI don’t recall anyone name Mr Black posting here before. Yet another newbie with a deranged post. Someone who has posted under other names?
I think Beldar is talking about Trump destroying the GOP’s chances of winning this year either by being the nominee and losing, or destroying the eventual nominee’s chance of winning, and in the process also losing other races down the ballot. I don’t know how that destroys the GOP power centers. Actually I don’t know what the GOP power centers are. Is it the RNC? Will it be destroyed after Trump loses to Bernie?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/20/2016 @ 6:30 pmCase closed.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/20/2016 @ 7:18 pmDana,
I suggest that we don’t even need Trump to demonstrate the dumbing/numbing down of the electorate,
A friend of a domestic terrorist who went to a racist church who had no experience should never have gotten close to a nomination, let alone election:
Neither should a pathologic serial liar whose main qualification is enabling a philandering husband,
Nor someone who apparently never held down a job until he was elected to the government
Though in some ways it is really a moral dumbing down, in that people can no longer discern when they are being lied to.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 2/20/2016 @ 7:39 pmBrutus and cassius, that’s late in the game, the centerpiece was between marius and sulla, the victors of the jugirthan war.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/20/2016 @ 7:46 pmGerald A, I have been a reader and infrequent poster here for somewhat longer than 10 years, so take your snobbish condescension and shove it. As to other posters who imagine that a vote for Trump is a vote for chaos and mob rule, have you looked around lately? The GOP is not representing you, at all. In fact they don’t even pretend to do so anymore. They have betrayed their voter base (us) and will not be reformed simply by a handful of elected officials being voted out every 2 years. The party establishment itself is rotten to the core, the entire structure is corrupt and works against our interests. THIS is the noble cause you’re defending? That a corrupt and dishonest party must get our votes because reasons?
This is not a political argument, it’s an argument for slavery. We must vote in the same masters regardless of our treatment because they are our masters and keep stability. No thank you. Some instability and chaos is exactly what we need to empty this den of traitors out. On our current trajectory, this country is doomed and the GOP is helping us to our doom. They are not worth saving, nor is the country they are making worth saving. A liberal fascist state with a liberal fascist society. A little water on the tree of liberty wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Mr Black (3efb66) — 2/20/2016 @ 11:42 pmI still cannot identify the reason in that meandering bit of nonsense why we should want Trump to get nominated and lose to Bernie or Hillary. Your previous post said Trump would “destroy the GOP power centers”. I don’t understand what that means either.
It’s hard to find any Trumpers who seem to have a clear idea of what they’re talking about, and I doubt the sanity of quite a few of them.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/21/2016 @ 8:50 amWill it be destroyed after Trump loses to Bernie?
The hope Mr Black espouses, and which I have seen elsewhere, is that the GOP needs to completely die and be either rebuilt of replaced by a fundamentally different major party: one which is faithful to the principles of constitutional government as they see them.
This supposes at least some of the following:
1) That people yearn for such a thing.
2) That they might be trained to yearn for such a thing,
3) That the “forces of evil” (those who will never YFSAT), left unchecked, won’t stack the deck so badly that there is no path forward even if points 1 or 2 comes to pass.
They point to the Republicans coming out of the Whig Party in the 1850s as an example of what can happen. However, they generally gloss over a few small points.
1) There was never really any such thing as a “Whig” Party — that was simply the anti-Jacksonian wing of the Democrat-Republican Party that was fracturing over Jackson’s executive excesses and of course, slavery. It elected only two Presidents (Harrison and Taylor), both of whom died in office, and were succeeded by woeful vice-presidents (Tyler and Fillmore) neither of who where Whigs by the time they left office (Tyler was cast out, and the Whigs died during Fillmore’s term).
2) The Whigs struggled and died because they could not deal with the slavery issue, and this inevitably led to civil war.
Pretty grim path, with an exceptionally unlikely outcome for freedom. But if it is destruction you want, why is Trump necessary? Why not just elect Bernie?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/21/2016 @ 9:20 amMr Black, do you actually view everyone from Kasich to Cruz as coming from the same cookie cutter? If so, what is it that you are finding lacking that you suppose the people want?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/21/2016 @ 9:23 amLast summer someone said the same thing. Maybe it was him. But what does nominating Trump have to do with that objective? Unless he means Trump will WIN and then somehow dismantle the GOP machinery. Even then I don’t know how he’d do that, but why in the world would he do that, even if he could. A bigger better machinery under his control would serve his interests.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/21/2016 @ 9:46 amA Trump win would put a completely crazy man in as the face of the GOP. He becomes the head of the Party and the GOP would have to answer for him for decades, should it even survive the encounter. Imagine the Democrat party had George Wallace won the nomination in 1972. Something like that.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/21/2016 @ 10:35 amhe would NOT be the face of the GOP nobody thinks he’s a Republican he’s the guy who’s gonna castrate the chambermaids and cast them out of the temple
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 10:43 amwhat Mr. Trump will do is give the geriatric socialist party and their butt-stupid tatted-up hyper-indebted millennial youth brigades permission to declare america their enemy and openly act against the United States
and that will be very interesting I think
a self-immolation of which the poets will sing
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 10:46 amCruz should thank Trump for gelding Jeb Bush and his GOP “kingmakers”.
steveg (fed1c9) — 2/21/2016 @ 11:13 amA race between Rubio, Cruz, Bush only might have been a much harder road for Cruz.
The frustrations Trump has tapped into, and his fanning of the flames of discontent have helped Cruz enormously.
Cruz had been painted as a crazed bomb thrower, but now is the “sane alternative” and now is a very comfortable #2 in the race rather than back in the pack in an establishment race.
hf- “he’s the guy who’s gonna castrate the chambermaids and cast them out of the temple”
steveg (fed1c9) — 2/21/2016 @ 11:26 amLets not drag palace eunuch Lindsey Graham back into this…
Republican kingmaker lindsay graham was sad. His endorsement had proved to be wholly worthless! What’s a girl to do?
“Oh I know!” burbled Lindsay excitedly. “Spa day! We’ll have a day of beauty to put all this unpleasantness behind us!”
And quick quick as a bunny he slipped into a darling kimono, walked out to his cabriolet, dropped the top, and off and away he was!
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 11:32 amOf course Trump is effectively branding Cruz as a nasty liar that no one likes, and Cruz needs to convince the public that the real nasty liars are over there on the Team Democrat and Team Socialist.
This is an interesting race because there are two contenders running under different party banners who are not really members of that party.
If Sanders ran as a Socialist, he’d lose and Hillary would lose.
If Trump ran as the Bull Moose Party candidate, he might win and Cruz would lose.
Right now it looks like Bull Moose vs. anointed one Hillary (no way she wins a fair primary. This “Superdelegate” thing is rife with scandal and sleaze… Cruz and Trump should send operatives in and be ready to expose it after Clinton is coronated head of her party
steveg (fed1c9) — 2/21/2016 @ 11:37 amyes yes by the time the nasty disgusting incontinent old woman sews it up she’ll have alienated well over half the berntards i bet
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 11:48 amOkay. So nobody likes Trump. Or nobody here.
Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 2/21/2016 @ 1:27 pmBut here’s a question: Would Trump’s name on the actual, by-golly election hurt the repubs/conservatives down-ballot? Help? No difference?
i like Mr. Trump fine he has his good qualities for example he is very insouciant
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 1:35 pmWould Trump’s name on the actual, by-golly election hurt the repubs/conservatives down-ballot? Help? No difference?
Some of his supporters hate Republicans and conservatives, judging by a number of posts here. Those people would not vote the straight R ticket even with him at the top of it. I think it would hurt.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/21/2016 @ 1:35 pmprincipled conservatives will be in more demand than ever with Mr. Trump at the top of the ticket i think Mr. Aubrey
happyfeet (831175) — 2/21/2016 @ 1:36 pm