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2/9/2016

Profile of a Trump Supporter

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:30 am



Alternate title: How’s That Whole Democracy Thing Working Out For You”?

A reporter found the woman who yelled at a Trump rally that Ted Cruz is a “pussy” and interviewed her for her further insights, which are as follows:

“I watched the debate, and [Ted Cruz] just comes across as a pussy,” she told Mic on the floor of the Verizon center. “He doesn’t have the balls to stand up to Putin. He doesn’t have the balls to stand up to other leaders of others countries.”

When asked whether she trusts Trump, she answered, “He’s got the balls the size of watermelons, whereas the other ones got the balls of little grapes.” She then specified the size of other candidates’ testicles. “The other one, Rubio, [has balls] like a raisin.” When asked about the other candidates, she answered, “They’re nobodies.”

If it makes you feel any better, her vote counts the same as yours.

P.S. The “Gimme Free Stuff or Die” state selects its preferred nanny today. I’ll open a thread this evening. If you can’t wait, use this.

129 Responses to “Profile of a Trump Supporter”

  1. Nk said on the other thread if someone painted a swastika on a Trump building, the police wouldn’t know if it was from a supporter or someone opposed to him. Truth is, it would be from a supporter.

    John Hitchcock (6dce1b)

  2. yes, we can trust their account,

    http://mic.com/policy

    narciso (732bc0)

  3. A nitwit in every crowd… sometimes more than one.

    Colonel Haiku (8f010c)

  4. it’s possible, but the fact they don’t give her name, sends up flags,

    narciso (732bc0)

  5. She’s tea-baggin’… she’s tea-baggin’…

    Colonel Haiku (8f010c)

  6. The lady quoted in the post said one more thing that was left out: “China has a wall and it has like no Mexicans at all.”

    nk (dbc370)

  7. I keep reading the same think piece, over and over, written by different people. The think piece says, yes, Trump is a boor and a buffoon. But we need to listen to what his supporters are saying.

    I’m . . . not so sure about that.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  8. Hey man, I’ve lived here all my life. Please don’t lump me in with all the Massholes that moved north as tax refugees over the decades. Voted for Ted by the way.
    Once upon a time this was a conservative state. Importation of refugees from third world hell-holes by the hundreds annually occurs in Manchester alone. Thousands every year from Mass. Out of state college students allowed to vote in our local elections. Only one outcome is possible.

    Town Drunk (4399c4)

  9. i do NOT question her commitment to sparkle motion

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  10. 8. Cheers

    mg (31009b)

  11. The lady quoted in the post said one more thing that was left out: “China has a wall and it has like no Mexicans at all.”

    nk (dbc370) — 2/9/2016 @ 7:47 am

    I wonder if she’s one of the pro-Trump people that have been popping up here lately.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  12. Barefootin‘ “Tea-baggin'”

    Everybody get up and dance,
    You make her nervous when you got no pants
    Take off your shorts and lift your meat,
    She’ll give it a glance and then toot sweet
    She’s tea-baggin’, she’s tea-baggin’
    She’s tea-baggin’, she’s tea-baggin’

    Went to a debate the other night,
    New Hampshire skeezer was out of sight
    Threw way her wig, shouted out to teh Trump
    Talked some smack, put him flat on his rump
    She was tea-baggin’, She was tea-baggin’,
    She was tea-baggin’, she was tea-baggin’

    Colonel Haiku (8f010c)

  13. No way all those trump supporters vote, what say you Mr. happyfeet?

    mg (31009b)

  14. no way jose

    voting’s for squares!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  15. The comments by that lady are so over the top. Was she a plant, to try to make Trump look bad? Democrats did some of that stuff at Tea Parties rallies several years ago. They’d have people show up waving Confederate flags and controversial signs so the media would say, “Hey, there’s some Confederate supporters…maybe the Tea Party is…racist!”

    Not that Trump doesn’t attract people who themselves might be over the top boors.

    The funny part is that Trump is the candidate who’s suggested that Putin is not someone we have to worry about. So for this lady to make “standing up to Putin” a litmus test for being “tough,” well…maybe she doesn’t follow the foreign policy beat.

    Reagan’s 11th Commandment got tossed out the window a long time ago during this primary season.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  16. Was she a plant, to try to make Trump look bad?

    No, she was a plant trying to make Trump look good. There’s no way Trump wasn’t expecting her to say exactly what she said, exactly when she said it. The only question is whether she did it for free or pay, and how much.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  17. Reagan’s 11th Commandment got tossed out the window a long time ago during this primary season.

    Trump is not a fellow Republican.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  18. Who cares what the nutty fool said, she’s dead wrong about every candidate mentioned, with the possible exception of Marco Rubio. He’s a GOPe jellyfish, the others are all head and shoulders better than any Democrat now in the race or sniffing around the margins waiting to step in when Hillary’s blood soaked chickens come home to roost.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  19. I suppose it would have been pretty funny if Trump had merely said, “She called Senator Cruz a vulgar name?? Let’s not do that—that’s not nice! That’s not what this campaign is about!”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. How about spreading a rumor for the LIVs that the government is concerned that some people should not vote, and is using the Trump campaign to identify those voters. If you vote for Trump, they’ll take away your vote!

    Fight stupid with stupid.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  21. What he should have said was: “Sorry, ma’am, that doesn’t bear repeating.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. I keep reading the same think piece, over and over, written by different people. The think piece says, yes, Trump is a boor and a buffoon. But we need to listen to what his supporters are saying.

    I’m . . . not so sure about that.
    Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/9/2016 @ 7:48 am

    I haven’t yet read a comment from a Trump supporter who wasn’t a boor and a buffoon, just like their idol.

    John Hitchcock (6dce1b)

  23. It should be noted that NH allows uncommitted voters to vote in the primary of their choice. So this is not a GOP primary and GOP members may not even be the majority of voters.

    OTOH, it will show how many people in NH are uninterested in picking between the Socialist and the Marxist.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. Who cares what the nutty fool said, she’s dead wrong about every candidate mentioned, with the possible exception of Marco Rubio. He’s a GOPe jellyfish, the others are all head and shoulders better than any Democrat now in the race or sniffing around the margins waiting to step in when Hillary’s blood soaked chickens come home to roost.

    ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 8:39 am

    Agreed on all counts. I am quite sure I could selectively quote Rubio fans to make them come across terribly.

    I guess the only real issue here is how Trump handled it, repeating her slur into his microphone in order to get the slam in without the culpability. I really worry about Trump when it comes to personal accountability and also petty vindictiveness.

    He should have simply ignored the comment completely. Cruz would not have repeated it, and I think partly because it is bad for America to have our presidential candidates in the gutter. The presidency should be a high aspiration, not a shock contest.

    But that is not how it works today. Society has taught Trump the wrong lesson about attention for its own sake.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  25. i’m a hit that widger get me some wireless

    things

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  26. How about a Trump/Christie ticket?

    I know most of the active commenters here aren’t keen on Trump, but if a few of them can put that aside for a hypothetical (the active expression of which would be to refrain from using the question as an opportunity to launch into a gratuitous attack on Trump) I’d be interested in a discussion of the strengths inherent in an Executive team of Trump and Christie.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  27. Anybody else think narciso had a point when he insinuated that the woman interviewed in the article might not actually have been the Trump supporter who insulted Cruz, on the grounds that

    1. The article is published in a blatantly pro-Democrat source

    2. The article doesn’t give any corroborating details, such as the woman’s name

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  28. It is hard to combat boorishness when on stage. One way to shut this down is to so humiliate the person on stage that they are speechless. I don’t know how you could do this to Trump and still keep his voters.

    Davod (f3a711)

  29. It’s a false hag operation?

    Colonel Haiku (8f010c)

  30. Who are you trying to kid? We all care about the Pajama Boy-ification of our culture. I may not speak as colorfully as Pvssygirl, but I think along those lines. Don’t you? She’s just not a great judge of fruit size, confusing bluster with manliness, as she does. Put aside her misjudgment about Trump, I pretty much agree with her. Although I think she’s wrong about Cruz, it should be noted that even in her hierarchy, Trusted Ted ranks second. Would you argue with her judgment about Senator Raisinette and the assortment of nobodies who round out the field? I wouldn’t. By my math, of the nine candidates remaining, she correctly pegged eight of them. Not bad.

    ThOR (a52560)

  31. I guess the only real issue here is how Trump handled it, repeating her slur into his microphone in order to get the slam in without the culpability. I really worry about Trump when it comes to personal accountability and also petty vindictiveness.

    He should have simply ignored the comment completely.

    Then there would have been
    no point in having her say it in the first place.

    Cruz would not have repeated it,

    Cruz would not have had her say it in the first place.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  32. Democracy is a total bust and we’re pointing at this dummy as the reason?

    No, expunge the low-information voters and we are still screwed and this Republican nomination will exemplify.

    DNF (755a85)

  33. Someone must find the audio of Hillary Clinton talking about Sanders accepting $200k from Wall St…. my wife tells me it starts off with her sounding reasonably rational and then elevates to a screeching shrewish ending… wife says it’s a real hoot!

    Colonel Haiku (8f010c)

  34. Milhouse, I want to compliment you on your clear headed analysis of my remarks regarding Megyn Kelly’s look at the first FOX NEWS debate. The shrill harpies were howling for my blood, attempting to initiate a feeding frenzy, but you interceded with a calm and mature, reasoned, adult grasp of the underlying issues.

    Again, my compliments. I haven’t always been kind to you, actually I’ve been unkind at times. But I’m not ungrateful, although I’m aware you were motivated by an innate sense of fairness rather than any personal affection for me, still I was the beneficiary of your efforts. You could have remained silent and avoided an unprincipled assault, but you didn’t. I recognize your courage and I salute you as a honest man.

    Thank you.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  35. Oh yeah? Well you’re just a big doody-head!

    (Maybe I should have spelled that “your” instead.)

    CrustyB (69f730)

  36. You’re welcome, ropelight. But you’re still wrong about Trump, and about Rubio’s eligibility.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  37. I just can’t believe that Donnie Trump would repeat such a slur into a microphone. His obsessive supporters must be outraged (!!!) by such behavior.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. Milhouse, we shall see if the voters select Trump. I could be wrong, I was wrong once back in 1957 about the Studebaker Golden Hawk, but about Rubio’s eligibility I’ll go with the Constitution and let the chips fall where they may. It wouldn’t be the first time contemporary expediency won out over the Founder’s well considered prescriptions.

    In the meantime, rest assured I’ve gained new appreciation for your habit of nitpicking details. Again, thanks.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  39. …When asked whether she trusts Trump, she answered, “He’s got the balls the size of watermelons, whereas the other ones got the balls of little grapes.” She then specified the size of other candidates’ testicles. “The other one, Rubio, [has balls] like a raisin.” When asked about the other candidates, she answered, “They’re nobodies.”

    I am really, really getting tired of this guy. Who the hell is he to talk about someone’s b***s. Like he’s ever done anything b***sy. He’s a pampered rich boy who thinks he’s b***sy because nobody in his social circle ever called him out and gave him the @$$ kicking he deserved.

    That said, Hillary! can not be president.

    I very well may end up with two choices in November. Death, and a fate worse than death.

    What sin have I committed to rate this?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  40. i like Mr. Trump he’s nice

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  41. Steve57,

    But Donnie Trump is a self-made man. He only inherited a quarter billion dollars.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. #39, Steve, you have aspired to independent thought, which is forbidden to ordinary men, and reserved only to those uppity few who arrogantly assume the prerogatives of demigods. Pain and suffering are the wages for such presumptuousness. It has always been so. Bite the apple and live to regret it. It’s man’s oldest lesson.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  43. Elephantiasis will give you balls the size of watermelons but I thought you caught it from worms in Africa not hookers in Slovenian cathouses.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. Someone should have asked the nutty woman at the rally if Donnie Trump was exhibiting his “watermelon-sized balls” when he dodged Megyn Kelly at the Iowa debate. Everybody else showed up. …‘cept for Donnie Tuff Guy.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  45. I voted today for Ted Cruz because I believe in federalism and the separation of powers. Trump is appalling, a man with no principles but his own will to power. But every candidate has followers who make a weak case for them. If you’re going to vote for Trump, the one pretty solid reason is indeed because he does have the cojones to say the outrageous thing that one is forbidden to say. Can you imagine McCain or Romney with such an effective defense to Hillary Clinton calling them sexist, or any other charge?

    David Pittelli (b77425)

  46. Am I really thinking independently if my thinking lands Trump in White House?

    I could turn out to be a reluctant Trump voter. I’ll never be an enthusiast.

    Which part of the s**t sandwich do I want to eat first?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  47. @ ropelight, who asks (#26): “How about a Trump/Christie ticket?”

    No thank you. I’d prefer to vote for someone who’s conservative.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  48. “You’re welcome, ropelight. But you’re still wrong about Trump, and about Rubio’s eligibility.”

    Milhouse (87c499)

    Can you vag’splain this, Milhouse?

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  49. 47. @ ropelight, who asks (#26): “How about a Trump/Christie ticket?”

    No thank you. I’d prefer to vote for someone who’s conservative.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 2/9/2016 @ 11:53 am

    I’d prefer that, too.

    But I’ve not been getting what I prefer since the late ’80s.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  50. Beldar, there was a caveat in the second paragraph.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  51. http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/02/are-you-ready-to-settleforhillary/

    Not. Willing. To. Settle. For Hillary.

    I’d rather swim with sharks.

    I’d vote for a tarantula before I’d vote for Hillary!

    If I can’t have a tarantula, I guess Trump will have to do.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  52. Look morons trump supporters want are jobs brought back from over seas and close the border to illegals who work cheap. At least he doesn’t want to put you ayn randist sociopaths in a re-education camp like bernie sanders does! Trump can’t be bought. goldman sachs has already bought canada crud,

    trumpet (43da34)

  53. Early reports are that turnout is “abysmal.” That’s bad for Trump.

    Beldar predicts a fractured result in which Trump pulls out a narrow win dramatically behind his polling. Rounding to integer values produces two ties:

    First: Trump 20
    Second (tie): Kasich 18
    Second (tie): Cruz 18
    Fourth (tie): Bush 14
    Fourth (tie): Kasich 14
    Sixth: Christie 11
    Seventh: Fiorina 5

    Beldar (fa637a)

  54. Gotcha. Protectionist, nativist, liar.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  55. Oops, that was for trumpet.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  56. @ trumpet (#52): I want unicorns that poop gold nuggets grazing on my lawn in between the Victoria Secret models. The odds of that are much better than the odds that Trump could do even a single one of the things you list.

    Why would you possibly think he could do those things? He’s not even a successful businessman, as evidenced by his four waves of corporate bankruptcies and the fact that his supposedly huge fortune is equivalent or less than what he’d have if he’d just taken the money his daddy gave him and put it into mutual funds.

    He’s not successful at anything but bragging and lying. You think those qualities will bring jobs back to America?

    He’s all talk. He’s a con man. He’s not a public servant; he’s not a private success. He’s a reality TV star who believes his own hype.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  57. He’s all talk. He’s a con man. He’s not a public servant; he’s not a private success. He’s a reality TV star who believes his own hype.

    Obama isn’t on the ballot this time around.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  58. cruz-19
    trump-19
    kasich-18
    boosh-14
    alfalfa-14

    mg (31009b)

  59. Ack. I left out Rubio. I blush.

    Re-calculating:

    First: Trump 20
    Second (tie): Kasich 17
    Second (tie): Cruz 17
    Fourth (tie): Bush 12
    Fourth (tie): Kasich 12
    Fourth (tie): Rubio 12
    Sixth: Christie 7
    Seventh: Fiorina 3

    Beldar (fa637a)

  60. Cruz picks up libertarians, disgruntled rubio fans and fed up Trumpsters.

    mg (31009b)

  61. @ ropelight: Yes, Obama and Trump share the same massive egotism unsupported by actual accomplishment. Obama’s just less vulgar. I will give Trump credit for actually owning businesses, which Obama hasn’t ever done. But then, Obama hasn’t been through bankruptcy four times.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  62. Trump probably thinks having filed bankruptcy so many times makes him the leader in the clubhouse.

    mg (31009b)

  63. Dang it. My proofreading is awful, now I’ve got Kasich listed twice.

    My first effort was correct, I just had wrote “Kasich” the second time when I meant to write “Rubio.” So:

    First: Trump 20
    Second (tie): Kasich 18
    Second (tie): Cruz 18
    Fourth (tie): Bush 14
    Fourth (tie): Rubio 14
    Sixth: Christie 11
    Seventh: Fiorina 5

    Beldar (fa637a)

  64. Nor has Obama created any jobs (shovel ready or not) even though he spend many many millions feathering the nests of his political cronies, Obama never built any towering monuments except the ones to his monumental ego, and Obama hasn’t been through a personal bankruptcy but he’s set the nation up for one hell of a broken bench.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  65. If Trump gets less than 25%, its a loss for him.

    Steve Malynn (b5f891)

  66. I was going to say! I mean Kasich is as two-faced as Souter, but he doesn’t bet two ballot lines.

    I don’t think that Christie will do that well at all and I think Fiorina will beat the spread.

    If you are right and Trump is a narrow winner, his collapse is well under way. Too bad we can’t have Bush and Kasich out at the same time.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  67. *get

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  68. alfalfa-14

    really?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  69. I’ve had discussions with those that think Trump can prevail with his 35% ceiling of supporters because of the winner take all states. There are only 13 pure Winner take all States, 11 states that have a 50% threshold, then go winner takes all – and 26 states with proportional distribution. If we do not get a single vote leader who breaks the 50% barrier before SC primaries, why would any of the others go that way? Until we get candidates dropping, the idea that any one the candidates will win the nomination prior to the convention is a wild ass guess – the incentives are for any candidate who breaks double digits in a state primary to stick it out, and for any candidate with a war chest to stick it out – if only in order to be a player during the Convention on July 18.

    In this election cycle, we really have a better chance at the National convention brokering the nomination, than at any time since the primary system was introduced. (1960?)

    Steve Malynn (b5f891)

  70. Any other extraneous conditions to impose on New Hampshire’s voters, Mr Steve Malynn? Or, does a 25% requirement apply to all the other candidates as well as to Trump? We’d all like to have confidence in a fair result.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  71. Trump can’t be bought. goldman sachs has already bought canada crud,

    trumpet (43da34) — 2/9/2016 @ 12:08 pm

    How exactly has Goldman Sachs bought Cruz?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  72. Gave his wife a fancy job and loaned Cruz big money when he needed it.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  73. Gave his wife a fancy job and loaned Cruz big money when he needed it.

    ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 12:56 pm

    So then Goldman Sachs and other financial institutions have bought Trump.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  74. Gave his wife a fancy job and loaned Cruz big money when he needed it.

    Excuse me? Are you seriously suggesting that Mrs Cruz’s job is some sort of sinecure to bribe her husband, or that the loan they got was not available to anyone else?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  75. So then Goldman Sachs and other financial institutions have bought Trump.

    Good point. Trump has borrowed from how many people in his life? And have any of his wives ever worked for anyone but him?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  76. Banks loan money to people who have the assets to secure the loan, valuable assets they can foreclose on if specified payment dates aren’t met. Moreover, loaning money the bank is holding for safekeeping for depositors to bank employees and their politically connected husbands is well outside the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices.

    Should the loan fail to perform, the bank regulators would be bringing suit against the bank’s executive decision makers. Count on it.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  77. Part Rubio’s hair down the middle and I see Alfalfa.

    mg (31009b)

  78. Multiple divorced couples is a large voting block Trump has locked up. And their kids.

    mg (31009b)

  79. Rubio’s pate is devoid of hair, he wears a rug, along with his elevator shoes.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  80. “Moreover, loaning money the bank is holding for safekeeping for depositors to bank employees and their politically connected husbands is well outside the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices.”

    Any lie in a storm, I guess. He borrowed against his 401k.

    JD (f36f05)

  81. When did Cruz become a candidate in comparison to when his wife went to work for GS? Do you know that? Or are you just trying to smear by innuendo?

    JD (f36f05)

  82. Banks loan money to people who have the assets to secure the loan, valuable assets they can foreclose on if specified payment dates aren’t met. Moreover, loaning money the bank is holding for safekeeping for depositors to bank employees and their politically connected husbands is well outside the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices.

    Should the loan fail to perform, the bank regulators would be bringing suit against the bank’s executive decision makers. Count on it.

    ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 1:13 pm

    Are there any Trump supporters who don’t make everything up?

    Cruz’s loan was a margin loan secured by his brokerage account. I know Trump has said it’s unsecured but he’s a pathological liar, which you never seem to figure out.

    Further, you know nothing about “the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices”, although papertiger, trumpet etc. probably think you do.

    I doubt banks only loan money secured by assets. Were all of Trump’s loans secured?

    If not, then according to you and that loon trumpet’s argument, Trump is the one who has been bought.

    Tell us again how the CIA combined with the Hinckley family to try to assassinate Reagan.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  83. ropelight, I’m all in favor of snark and jokes, but instead of investing so much time making juvenile cracks about Marco Rubio’s elevator shoes, or fumbling the facts about Ted Cruz’s personal loans, or making wild moonbat allegations about George H.W. Bush conspiring with the Hinckley family to assassinate Ronald Reagan, why don’t you wisely spend your time attempting to persuade us why Donnie Trump should be the nominee?

    …and “Marco Rubio wears elevator shoes!” is not a legitimate “reason” why Donnie Trump should become the nominee.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  84. Where are you guys getting the numbers? I’d like to follow it.

    John Hitchcock (6dce1b)

  85. Why?

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  86. Lesson for today: Never try to use a smartphone phone browser to do tables with numbers, even simple ones, when working from memory.

    My predictions above — all three of them — left out Ben Carson. Mea culpa.

    Yesterday they were predicting record turnouts. Now they’ve backed down to saying that turnout is “strong and steady,” as compared to this morning’s “abysmal.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  87. #83, Gerald, I know more about the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices than you give me credit for. My father ran a credit reporting bureau when was in public school, both my sisters retired from bank managing positions, and both my brother and I were Sr Loan Officers, him for only 2 years but me for over 10 years.

    Your claim that I know nothing about lending is just plain wrong. Why would you make such an adamant statement without having the foggiest notion about what I might know? I think you betray an unthinking prejudice, or a peculiar penchant for making yourself ridiculous.

    As for a margin loan, let the markets take a dip and see how fast the margin calls go out. There’s nothing secure about a margin loan, they’re among the most unstable lending instruments offered by the financial services industry.

    Additionally, making a margin loan to the politically ambitious husband of a high ranking bank executive is more than a red flag, it’s a flashing red light, both to bank regulators and to the watchdogs at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Those folks don’t mess around.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  88. But then, Obama hasn’t been through bankruptcy four times.

    No Beldar, but he’s caused thousands of them.

    Rev. Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  89. I’m letting the fatuous arguments of the Trumpers affect me too much. I need to keep things in perspective – that is a Biblical perspective.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  90. ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 2:51 pm

    I’ll take your word for it that you worked in banking ropelight. Possibly margin loans are less secure than some other kind of secured loans, but I have no idea what that’s supposed to suggest. Brokerages make those loans all the time. If they charged the standard interest rate that any other margin loan pays (and I assume they did) what is the point? You imply that there were some grounds for denying Cruz a margin loan under the same terms they would make one to anyone else. On what grounds were they supposed to deny Cruz a loan?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  91. Thanks, mg. I don’t know when the polls close in NH, but I’ll be watching that site.

    John Hitchcock (6dce1b)

  92. Luntz is now predicting Trump and Sanders each win by at least 10 points. It sounds like the massive turnout advantage many were predicting for Trump in Iowa is materializing in NH.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  93. Gerald, it’s been my experience that significant loans to employees or close relatives require special approvals from lending oversight committees or exemptions signed by top management (at least at the VP level).

    Add to that the volatility of a margin loan, and the potential scandal of a loan to a national political figure and you’ve got the makings of a very hot potato should any number of things go sour.

    Gerald asked, On what grounds were they supposed to deny Cruz a loan?

    On the same grounds that other loan applications are rejected. The loan committee declined to make the loan based on inadequate security. A bad loan of exactly this sort is the kind of thing that encourages bank executives to spend more time with their families.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  94. “the potential scandal of a loan to a national political figure”

    He was no such thing at the time of the loan.

    JD (f36f05)

  95. Good Allah, there might be a million reasons why this was wrong, not that I believe that but for arguments sake, yet you chose 2 fatuous reasons and go on about potential for this if lots of other things happen and otherwise make up scenarios based on pure speculation.

    JD (f36f05)

  96. Actually, Gerald, there’s another element involved: loan to value ratio. If Cruz wanted to borrow cash equal to say 50% of the value of his 401, the bank would likely feel quite comfortable, assuming of course, Cruz has a strong track record of meeting financial obligations on time.

    As the LTV ratio creeps up bankers feel less and less comfortable. Once LTV nudges over the 70-75% level the issue of underlying security becomes more and more pressing.

    Now, we all know the rules for big shots are less stringent and much more flexible than the standards imposed on ordinary borrowers. Noblesse Oblige Nevertheless we all know what happens when a big fish goes belly up.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  97. Yes, when a bigshot like Trump goes belly up, as he is wont to do, lots of little people lose their shirts.

    John Hitchcock (6dce1b)

  98. My predictions above — all three of them — left out Ben Carson. Mea culpa.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 2/9/2016 @ 2:49 pm

    Izzok, Beldar. Most everyone else’s predictions left Ben Carson out as well.

    Yes- that’s a smartass reply. It’s intended to provoke a smirk.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  99. Trump’s son isn’t much better than this supporter. He compares waterboarding to being in a fraternity. The White House turning into Animal House?

    DRJ (15874d)

  100. Trump’s son isn’t much better than this supporter. He compares waterboarding to being in a fraternity. The White House turning into Animal House?

    DRJ (15874d) — 2/9/2016 @ 4:15 pm

    I don’t have a problem with waterboarding, but perhaps Master Eric needs to undergo it, just once for his father. Just to see just how “frathouse” it really is.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  101. Ropelight- when did Ms Cruz go to work there in comparison to Mr Cruz’s entrance into national politics? And why do you insist this loan was done when he was a national political figure?

    JD (f36f05)

  102. I guess this kind of stuff is why the GOP deserves to lose. People with country club attitudes looking down their noses at any form of expression that doesn’t fit with their own cultural values. Could that be why the influence peddlers in the GOP manage to pick candidates that they get along with on the cocktail circuit but which ordinary GOP voters reject? Food for thought.

    Mr Black (3efb66)

  103. Water-boarding should be reserved for the sort of animals it was used on: like the three murderous terrorists it was actually used on.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  104. Drudge has it
    Ted-24
    Kasich-24
    Trump-24

    mg (31009b)

  105. No one – even sh*t-for-brains lefties – deserve the kind of nation/future the sh*theel Prog Dems will deliver.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  106. Maybe for a trailer and F150 as security you’d need a 50% LTV ratio. For a real home equity loan, you’re golden at 80%; and for CDs, money markets, retirement accounts, annuities, insurance policies, up to 100% of cash-out value. There are also the metrics of credit score and income to debt service ratio, but is there any doubt that a U.S. Senator and Goldman Sachs managing director couldn’t meet them?

    nk (dbc370)

  107. Called it for Sanders…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. For Trump, too, dammit.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. and trump

    mg (31009b)

  110. Kasich? You must be joking… you really must be joking.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. With 7% reporting? Ok, then.

    nk (dbc370)

  112. cow hampshire is boston suburbia.

    mg (31009b)

  113. Didn’t fox call it this a.m.

    mg (31009b)

  114. Clinton’s implosion and troubles can only mean one thing… https://t.co/IuIBeJRzpP

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. When last seen, Chris Christie was drowning his sorrows in a two-dozen box of bacon-infused maple bars…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. Banks loan money to people who have the assets to secure the loan, valuable assets they can foreclose on if specified payment dates aren’t met.

    Which describes the Cruzes’ loan exactly.

    Moreover, loaning money the bank is holding for safekeeping for depositors to bank employees and their politically connected husbands is well outside the standard guidelines for prudent lending practices.

    Bulldust. Utter bulldust. Banks regularly lend money to their employees, on the same terms as they do to anyone else. Which is what GS did here.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  117. Cruz was not a national political figure. He was barely a state political figure! And the loan was at the exact same terms all brokerage clients get.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  118. #105, JD, Heidi Cruz went to work for Goldman Sachs in 2005 while her husband worked in the Bush White House. The GS loan was used to finance his 2012 campaign for the Senate.

    From Wikipedia:

    Between 1999 and 2003, Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to President George W. Bush on the 2000 George W. Bush presidential campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He was the first Hispanic, and the longest-serving solicitor general in Texas history. Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law from 2004 to 2009 at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.

    Cruz is now among the most prominent of national political figures. When he got the GS loan he was a prominent political figure in Texas, and a man with a distinguished career in Washington DC, and well established among the most prominent Hispanic political figures in the nation.

    However, Cruz was not in the US Senate when he got the GS loan, he used the money to finance his successful Senate campaign.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  119. Disregard my opening sentence. Ted Cruz was Solicitor General of Texas when his wife went to work at Goldman Sachs.

    ropelight (f6c4db)

  120. Ted Cruz is a good man. Better than ropelight gives him credit for. His vote isn’t for barter or sale.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  121. Disregard my opening sentence. Ted Cruz was Solicitor General of Texas when his wife went to work at Goldman Sachs.

    ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 5:24 pm

    Nope, you said

    while her husband worked in the Bush White House.

    , so it must be true. I mean, everything else you’ve said about that loan purchase of Cruz by Goldman Sachs was true, wasn’t it?

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  122. Ropelight – you could have just noted you were wrong in your assertion.

    JD (f36f05)

  123. Barely a state figure with a 5-4 record in the supreme court.

    mg (31009b)

  124. A bad loan of exactly this sort is the kind of thing that encourages bank executives to spend more time with their families.

    ropelight (f6c4db) — 2/9/2016 @ 3:23 pm

    This is what’s so absurd about you. Where are you getting that it’s a bad loan? You’re making something up out of thin air. It’s a bad loan if he defaulted on it. Did he default on it? Is there some logical reason to think he’s going to do default? It’s no more risky than any other margin loan. Why would it be?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)


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