Open Thread: GOP Debate
On a Saturday night? What are we, Democrats?
It will be interesting to see where the fire is aimed. At the person everyone says won in Iowa: Marco Rubio, who “won” by coming in third? (Coming in third isn’t everything. It’s the only thing!) Or Ted Cruz, who actually won? Or Donald Trump, who is heavily favored to win New Hampshire?
By the way, Mary Katherine Ham will be one of the moderators! Go MKH!
Coming up in moments. I plan to be in the comments.
You can live stream the debate here.
Ding!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:03 pmRight now it’s Cardhu 12 for me. Never tried it before.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:04 pmWas glad to see MKH added.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:05 pmI’m going to go ahead and declare Marco Rubio the winner, just so I can be in line with Big Media.
I know it hasn’t started, but I know an incipient narrative when I see one.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:06 pmI hope they have to take rubio off on a stretcher.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:08 pmI’m sure the winner will be one of the two non-authentic Hispanics… Hopefully it will be a night of brains over beauty.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:10 pmVery, very smooth. (The Cardhu. I know you were curious.)
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:10 pmHow were the pancakes?
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:11 pmThe alternative narrative: Trump won by not losing. And look at what a gentleman he was! Uncharacteristic!
It’s kind of annoying to be facing THREE HOURS of this when we all know what they will say at the end.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:11 pmmg: Haven’t had them yet. I think we’re actually going to get dinner at our favorite Greek restaurant instead. Haven’t quite decided. Thanks again to happyfeet for the kind gesture.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:12 pmI just really hope Trump doesn’t get fixated on menstruation tonight.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:13 pmI just watched 10 minutes of How I Met Your Mother at my undisclosed location. Trump will be a breeze.
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:14 pmHey! I know that Greek restaurant!
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:14 pmCardhu 12 sounds good. I’ve seen it a million times but never tried it. I’ll pick up some next time.
felipe (56556d) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:14 pmOh look it’s Lindsey Graham and John McCain.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:15 pmDana,
You do!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:15 pmIs Fiorina being allowed to participate in the debate?
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:15 pmThe primary ads along with the debate will make this way too long.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:16 pmWe need to do that again, P.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:16 pmCome on out, Ben.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:17 pmWHAT IS CARSON DOING???
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:17 pmHigh DRAAAAAAMA. Good stuff, Ben!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:17 pmwhat a disaster
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:17 pmHIlarious! No Kasich
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:18 pmGood Lord. He can’t even figure out when he’s supposed to come on stage. Sheesh.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:18 pmabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy and z
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:18 pmABC is lost.
Moderators already exposed as tools. Niiice.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:19 pmIs the moderator going to say WHY Cruz said that about Trump?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:20 pmHugh Hewitt, on Twitter, of course making excuses for the moderators.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:20 pmTed never does well when he gives “policial” answers. Voters know when he switched from his directness.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:23 pmI hope you are happy GOPe. This could have, and should have, been a conservative debate. This Muir crap is what you get.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:24 pmwhiny lispy fruit loop is whiny
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:25 pmThey should all walk off the stage.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:29 pmWhy do I get the feeling rubio was given his questions for rehearsal purposes.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:30 pmIf Ted has such a vaunted machine, how is it that for two consecutive debates, they failed to salt the audience with Ted supporters???!!!!!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:32 pmohnoes latino ken doll’s settings are stuck
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:33 pmRubio, you already delivered that line.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:33 pmLol, happyfeet.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:33 pmTwice.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmHe said the same thing THREE TIMES IN A ROW.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmRubio needs a more gravelly voice. It would help.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmthat’s just creepy rico
just creepy
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmWow. Rubio sub-routine crashed! I am stunned. He walked right into that Christie uppercut! Kasich loving life right now, by the way.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmWith visions of a Berliner* dancing in his head, Christie goes for Rubio’s throat.
* a German jelly donut
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmRubio keeps repeating himself multiple times in a row.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:35 pmThe Jersey Pumpkin scored.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:36 pmHook boosh
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:36 pmIf Christie/Rubio was a boxing match, they would’ve ended that a long time ago and taken Rubio to the hospital in an ambulance.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:36 pmGQ guy and Granny Clampett moderating? I just tuned in…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:37 pmwhats the bell for?
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:37 pmKasich still being ignored by the moderators. Amazing.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:38 pmLong hair on an older woman is not attractive. Just my opinion.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:38 pmThank God. It can’t last. He’ll interrupt any second now.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:39 pmIt’s a circular firing squad. And that’s not a Chris Christie joke!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:39 pmWhy is Skeletor in a fright wig running this debate?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:39 pmI’m watching Notre Dame – North Carolina basketball instead. I haven’t watched any of the debates. Does that make me a lazy and bad voter, or does it mean that I’m way smarter than the people who burn 180 minutes of their lives on this dog-and-pony-show? I think I could argue either way.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:40 pmMartha Raddatz is kind of a punk.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:40 pmReince Preibus, take a bow-and please LEAVE. WHY?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:40 pmadmiral ackbar to the white courtesy phone ‘it’s a trap’
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:41 pmThe impossible is happening – moderators worse than MSNBC!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:41 pm“Implicating our allies”-what the hell is Rubio talking about?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:42 pmIs Kasich a mailmans kid?
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:42 pm55… That’s what I was looking for… the correct action figure to compare Raddatz to.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:43 pmQuite a bit of policy discussion in the thread? Um. I thought the Jon Stewart approach was awful? I guess that doesn’t apply if you don’t like the candidate.
You see, that’s the strategy the hurts Republicans and Conservatives.
But have fun. The trouble is, you won’t be able to complain when folks pile on the nominee.
We do tend to shoot ourselves in the foot. It’s the gleeful providing ammo to the progs that saddens me.
Simon Jester (7130cd) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:43 pmi don’t care this much about north korea
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:45 pmHugh Hewitt says Latino Ken doll (that’s a keeper, happyfeet) line being repeated three times is a win for Rubio.
Whaa?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmsimon, the rnc’s ability to steer right into the ambush is extraordinary, #they has one job’
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmdoes anyone care this much about north korea
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmYou need a handkerchief, Simon?
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmMan up for christ sake, team republican is a bunch of babies.
Is it true? Is ABC doing a more in-the-tank job than PMSNBC did?
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:47 pm#61 Bugg, have you ever spoken on TV? It’s hard. It’s reasonable and expected for someone to trip over a word every few minutes or so. Rubio explained clearly in his answer (twice) that we have a policy of shooting down a missile in mid-flight if it poses a threat to our assets or assets belonging to allies.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:47 pmDeport all 50 million of these crimaleins.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:49 pmShut up Kasich.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:49 pm71-done some public speaking, but no, I’ve never been on TV. But also I am not running for president.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:50 pmKasich says he should be running as a Democrat. His words.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:50 pmis a win for Rubio
yup the narrative’s in place
so far Mr. Trump is the only one what heard and thinks hey let’s try and disrupt that
not that i think he succeeded (so far)
but it’s interesting he’s the one who sees the narrative coming – Candidates Maul Each Other While Establishment Boy Stands Above The Fray And Keeps His Sights On Obama
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:51 pmDeport 11.5 BILLION undocumented immigrants?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:51 pmEnd the Hollywood tax cuts too, Ted!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:52 pmThat’s more than the population of the Earth.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:52 pmNice answer by Cruz.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:53 pmCruz is doing very well. Rubio looks rote, rehearsed, shallow.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:53 pmAnd end the tyranny of Steponpoupolus!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:54 pmGotta deport the zombies, too. And the vampires. And the Lupi. And the German Cockroaches.
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:54 pm“Bill Clinton deported TWELVE MILLION illegals.” Why in hell didn’t ted lead with that in his response?!!!!!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:54 pm#66 Patterico, what Hugh Hewitt is saying about “three times” is the public relations/marketing axiom that you need to repeat your important word/phrase/slogan three times for the average person to have a better ability to process it. A lot of political consultants teach that, and that’s why in radio ads for “Joe’s Plumbing” they’ll mention the phone number or website three times or so. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition.
Look, we here are all junkies about politics, history, and the like, but there’s a large swath of the electorate even among the GOP primary voters, who don’t pay attention to who said what and who supports what policy. Like you mentioned earlier in another thread, lots of Americans watch Snooki! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:54 pmroobs wants 20,000 new federal employees?
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:54 pmRubio is a liar. GONG him.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:55 pmEnough with the governor bit, Christie. We get it and it’s boring.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:55 pmi want a wall and i want mexico to pay for it and i want it to have cool murals thank you
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:55 pmSomeone take the fat guy out to Pine Barrens, please.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:55 pmRubio/amnesty/2016
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:56 pmSomeone better hold a mirror under Dr. Carson’s nose… or check for a pulse.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:57 pmChristie is spanking Rubio with a paddle. I know Christie screwed Romney having dealt with FEMA in NY after Sandy.And his hug of Obama was a betrayal that means he cannot ever be trusted. But Christie’s smacking Rubio off the head with a baseball bat repeatedly.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:57 pmWhat’ll it be? A paddle or a bat? Pick your take.
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:58 pmrepeal
replace (with something awesome)
private companies bad
deregulation and competition
HSAs!
pls don’t die street people not in the street
ok thx
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 5:59 pmJeb just fell into the orchestra pit.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:00 pmI just saw a bubble thought come out of Mr. The Donald’s head what said hey this Ted guy would make a great veep
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:00 pm‘Not let anybody die in the street?’
DCSCA (a343d5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:00 pmEven if you shoot them in the middle of 5th Ave., eh Donald.
Kasich would drop the mean age of the Democrat Candidates from 72 down to 69.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:01 pmAnother Ted answer that “sounded” like avoidance. Did he not just her DT talk about the elimination of state lines and expansion of the HSAs?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:01 pm#93 Bugg, Christie comes across as Sonny Corleone when he does it. That kind of “I’m gonna whack with him a bat!” plays in certain quarters, but it’s not very Reaganesque. The circular firing squad thing does not appeal to me all that much.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:03 pm#66 Patterico, what Hugh Hewitt is saying about “three times” is the public relations/marketing axiom that you need to repeat your important word/phrase/slogan three times for the average person to have a better ability to process it. A lot of political consultants teach that, and that’s why in radio ads for “Joe’s Plumbing” they’ll mention the phone number or website three times or so. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition.
This classic bit from “Cheers.”
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:03 pmIt’s all very depressing. They are all awful.
SarahW (67599f) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:04 pmHey jeb go cut some brush
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:04 pmjebbio heads straight for the weeds
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:04 pmBoy, has the worm turned. Trump has finally lost the GOP culture.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:05 pmIt’s all very depressing. They are all awful.
Candidates? Moderators? Both? Do tell.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:06 pmwell more like clemenza teaching michael to shoot,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:06 pmI love trump telling the donors to eat crow.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:07 pmthe audience is trashy where did these people come from
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:07 pmTrump is ready to throw tomatoes at the audience. And vice versa. Love it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:07 pmThey are – almost to a man – by leaps and bounds better than what and who the opposition is offering
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:08 pmSo far Rubio and Trump both have been hammered.
I like it!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:08 pmThis is better than saturday night live.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:08 pmI think Trump may drop as low as 4th in New Hampshire as a direct result of this debate.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:08 pmSo there’s that.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:09 pmi want a wall and i want mexico to pay for it and i want it to have cool murals thank you
The Berlin Wall had REALLY cool murals and world-class graffiti. Just not on the side what put it up.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:09 pmI can’t stop giggling. And I have not had booze in decades.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:10 pmNotre Dame just upset #2 ranked North Carolina.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:11 pmThey should quit early…if they have time.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:11 pmyeah I’m thinking more Dali
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:12 pmBoy, the Democrats – personified by Karl and Steponpoupolot – are sure afraid of Rubio.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:12 pmRubio says Obama knows exactly what he’s doing and Trump says he’s just incompetent and doesn’t know what he’s doing. So it’s not ideology it’s competence according to Trump. Who here agrees with Trump?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:13 pmOptimistic. You already know my prediction: Rubio edges out Trump then Cruz. Although I’m feeling a little better about Cruz’s chances — and I think Kasich/Bush/Christie may surprise people.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:13 pmstop just stop, kasich.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:14 pm“We want to conserve, we want to conserve our money, we want to be smart ….”
Says the four-time bankruptcy champion.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:15 pmRubio pivots to canned answer.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:16 pmPatrick, I responded to your gloomy prediction at length on that thread earlier tonight. I’m not nearly so gloomy.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:16 pmThere goes Mr. Roboto.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:16 pmKasich and I have had our disagreements – bad blood started when I refused to buy grass from him at teh ’76 convention – but he really, really annoys me when he gets that twitchy smirk going!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:16 pmDoes Kasich think being praised by the NYT is a badge of honor?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:17 pmTrump isn’t wrong here. Honda has plants in the US because Reagan put his foot down. It can be done.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:17 pmThe gang of eight medallion will never leave the neck of Rubio.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:17 pmNew Hamster is squishville. And, being from New England — more specifically, the Beantown Burbs — they like their loudmouths, too. So, for that reason, people like Trump and Christie get a bump, while the Conservative in the race — Cruz — starts off with a deficit.
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:17 pmroobs turned his back on the so-cons with his definition of conservative
just flat out turned his back
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:18 pmAnti-Refugee Rallies Sweep Europe As Nationalists Declare “We Will Not Surrender Europe To Islam”
“German media put the number [of protesters in Dresden] at up to 8,000,” Reuters notes.
“We’re demonstrating against the Islamisation of Europe, we’re demonstrating against immigration, against an invasion,” Robert Winnicki, leader of Poland’s far-right Ruch Narodowy (National Movement), told a crowd of hundreds in Warsaw.
At the rally in Birmingham, PEGIDA supporters carried signs that read “TRUMP IS RIGHT.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-06/anti-refugee-rallies-sweep-europe-nationalists-declare-we-will-note-surrender-europe
sound awake (04e750) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:18 pmAm I the only one who realizes that Scott Adams is supporting the Pointy-Haired Boss for President?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:19 pmALL, JVW. Throw in the unwholesome worthless chavs in the audience whose absent alcoholic parents never taught them deportment.
But you can guess which group is the worst of it for me. Once expects debate moderation to stink, an audience to think it’s at a european soccer match or a taping of “Judge Judy.”
Our party has nothing and no one ready to be a national leader, and it is very, very painful to me that this is so. I hate them all (as candidates) and this is too painful to watch.
SarahW (67599f) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmI’m waiting for him to say “we have to negotiate smarter” or something.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmFat Boy is attempting mind control… he is staring right into my soul.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmI probably sound a little negative.
SarahW (67599f) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmI used to be more optimistic.
Kasich makes me want to go Postal.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:21 pmFOURTH TIME!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:21 pmLong-faced GQ boy feeling his oats, getting argumentative.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:22 pmHow many freaking times is Rubio going to give the same canned answer?!
Four so far.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:23 pmRubio isn’t wrong here, but it sounds canned, rehearsed. A decent sound bite, but perhaps nothing more behind it.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:23 pmi can’t even stand how smarmy roobs is
oh neat jebbio has the same definition of conservatism as roobs does
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:24 pmRaise alphabet news media taxes to 75 %, choke on it David Muir.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:24 pmSomeone better hit Kasich and stop his b.s.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:25 pmStop it Christie!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:25 pmOur party has nothing and no one ready to be a national leader, and it is very, very painful to me that this is so. I hate them all (as candidates) and this is too painful to watch.
Jeeze, SarahW, this is supposed to be the best crop of candidates that the GOP has ever fielded. I’m afraid that you may be hoping for a white knight (yeah, I denounce myself) who is never going to come.
Maybe if it is as bad as some folks are saying, Carly will benefit by not being there.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:25 pmMe, upon hearing Marco Rubio say the same thing for the fourth time:
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:26 pmDuring the break, someone said to Rubio — someone insane, mind you — “You need to clarify your remarks about Obama doing this on purpose and wanting to be America.”
Rubio’s first mistake was hiring that guy. His second was listening to him. His third was on national TV and couldn’t have been more obvious. He’s really, really rattled.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:27 pmFunny line, Ted. Just at the wrong time. So frustrating that he has such a tin ear.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:27 pmTed will need ice on his podium poking finger
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:27 pmGoddam it! Christie ordered me to buy a mixed dozen of Krispy Kremes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:28 pmAt least the daughter got some eye candy with David Muir. The candidates probably made a mistake letting him moderate. None of them could look as good. I’ve had enough. Nothing new or interesting from anyone, not even Trump sushing Jeb.
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:28 pmi’m betting it’s alex conant, formerly with tpaw’s campaign,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:29 pmRubio has finally gone off the cliff completely here. Think Will E Coyote.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:29 pmJVW – Is a white knight anything like a large flaming space-rock? 🙂
SarahW (67599f) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:30 pmThe variation of cadence, pace, tone; the lists rapid-fire; the strategic pauses: Cruz is at his rhetorical best tonight.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:30 pmI finally figured out what makes Rubio look so weird. Droopy left eyelid. Still droops no matter how high he puts his left eyebrow.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:30 pmsunni days sweeping the clouds away
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:31 pmOne of these guys ought to make the point that our frackers are doing more to save Western Civilization than any other group, including this useless excuse for an administration
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:31 pmwe know what ADHD looks like
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:31 pmCredit where it is due…Rubio is killing it in re sunnis/shia/kurds. Excellent.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:31 pmAll it takes is some shia to hit the fan to ruin your sunni day.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:32 pmRight-on, Col.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:32 pmTrump is content to be silent. He was rattled tonight too — will he find another way to get booed? Magic 8 Ball predicts: Yes!
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:32 pmApplauding Bugg for 167.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:33 pmMr. Trump understands the banking hand motions
he’s the only one up there that knows the banking hand motions
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:33 pmwhat the hell was that evil smirk on jebbio’s face when the crone mentioned chaos in Libya
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:34 pmThe donor crowd is just one more reason the R.N.C. stinks.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:35 pmThink ABC is very consciously asking questions to solicit belligerent responses. Because there is no domestic political support for more Middle East military adventures. IT’S A TRAP.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:35 pmI’m a minute or two behind (DVR-delay), so Mr. Feet, I read your comment at #171 just in time to appreciate how apt it was for Trump’s latest answer.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:36 pmyes yes Mr. Bugg Libya in chaos is not a problem for me
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:36 pmlol
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:37 pmthere is little support for long term military expeditions, but there should be flights out of sigonella, targeting the jayvees’ operating bases,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:38 pmI would bring it back to use on Democrat operatives with bylines.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:38 pmCruz looked shaken in that waterboarding answer.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:39 pmthe people sniggering at Mr. Senator Cruz’s answer about waterboarding, I don’t get that
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:39 pmTrump goin’ medieval on Muir’s ass… Yes!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:39 pmYes or no, Senator. Can you do that? Once?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:40 pmTo the extent that tonight matters, all the establishment squishes are going to get a big bump, and the front-runners are going to lose ground.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmThat’s it. I’m for Trump.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmthe audience is determined to validate Mr. Trump’s observations about them
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmBush donors sniggering during the pause he gave them.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmGas the crowd, already. What a joke they are. Cow Hampshire should be embarrassed.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmYou’re joking, right?
Right?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:42 pmIt’s STROKE of a pen, not STRIKE of a pen, Ted.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:42 pmrescind on day one yes yes
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:42 pmMr. Cruz wants a mandate
and neither of them are icky so-con mandates
this is his way of saying happy I’m sorry i hurt you
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:43 pmWe should be using water boarding and much worse on half of the world, but yes, Patterico, I’m joking.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:44 pmWhew
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:44 pmKasich i am pleading you to go away
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:45 pmkasich’s face looks like a fat girl’s butt
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:45 pmIs Kasich really Ned Beatty Junior?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:45 pmMKH doing much better than other clown moderators.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:45 pmin radio ads for “Joe’s Plumbing” they’ll mention the phone number or website three times or so. Repetition
A phone number or a website you really have to repeat because people have to remember it exactly, or write it down. That’s not the case for other things.
The repetition could be, though, because the audience is not the same, or for emphasis. But that depends if it obvious that it is being deliberately repeated. If it is answer to a question, and it doesn’t vary, it could also look like he has nothing else to say, or that it is canned. If the repetition is limited to one sentence or so, it may be good. If more is repeated and the entire answer is repetition, especially when it calls for somethinbg to be added, it is not so good.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmMore gas for the crowd,
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmKasich has a car with a 2nd back seat. Gotta see that car.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmKasich was just talking again.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmWhy iS MKH on the kid table over Skeletor?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:46 pmThe JV mod Muir couldn’t lay a glove on Ted on “waterboarding.” Great response, and yes, he was verrrry careful knowing the mines Muir laid for him.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:47 pmKasich does kind of have a purdy mouth…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:47 pmOh Good Lord. Kasich gets a big cheer from these idiots.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:47 pmThe left side of his mouth has the same droop that Rubio’s left eyelid has.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:48 pmIt is stroke of the pen, as in:
“Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool.” — Paul Begala, Clintonista, to the New York Times in 1998, regarding his boss’ great fondness for executive orders.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:49 pmheroin yes this is an issue I’m passionate about
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:49 pmThis audience is not a GOP audience, but it is a pretty fair slice of where America is, in its willful ignorance.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:49 pmboosh wants more money going to insurance companies. And the crowd applauds. Cow Hampshires finest.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:49 pmgod miriam was such a loser
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:50 pmPanderTed is NOT a good look.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:50 pmwhere’s miriam
back at the crack house
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:50 pmThe personal side of Cruz. Familiar to those of us who have read his book.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:51 pmthat was SO lame almost as bad as when kitty got hypothetically raped
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:51 pmUm, dead, happyfeet.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:52 pmA poignant story. I respect people who struggle with addiction(may be I’ve dealt with it in my family). . But this is the kind of thing best handled by individuals, families, churches, police. Cruz is right; the only federal role really is the border.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:52 pmi mean dukakis not genovese
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:52 pmYeah, it’s so lame to hear about a personal tragedy that is relevant to the question.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:52 pmLook closely and you’ll see the intravenous tube hydrating Rubio from a lithium battery powered pump on a one quart reservoir of Gatorade.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:53 pmwhat can i say i’m lutheran we don’t just trot it out
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:53 pmGod does that question suck.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:54 pmReally good night for Cruz. I hope he realizes it and takes his winnings now and avoids anything “out there.” The Southern voters got what they needed to get, and the story of the night is Rubio and Christie’s bickering.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:55 pmIt’s the Darwin Principle… survival of the fittest. The weak get culled from the herd.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:56 pmMary Katharine hasn’t aged in the ten years she’s been in the public eye. She’s like the Kevin McCarthy character in the old “Twilight Zone” episode.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:58 pmroobs is monotonously and homogeneously passionate about every damn thing without discrimination or differentiation
it’s so phony
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:58 pmDr. Carson is such a good guy. And that is a simple but great answer. He isn’t gonna win, but damn, that was good.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:58 pmTrump misspoke. He said, “I’m the last person [Hillary Clinton] wants to run against.”
He meant: “I’m her last and maybe only hope to run against.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:59 pmWell, maybe that’s not what he meant. But it’s true.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:59 pmSince the media doesn’t do its job, start hitting the Democrats – Clinton and Sanders – hit them hard, relentlessly, and with no mercy. They deserve it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 6:59 pmRubio and Christie’s bickering
christie didn’t get the same memo jebbio got huh
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:00 pmThe Washington Post has an ongoing transcript of the debate. Here are quote from four of Rubio’s answers:
ONE:
TWO:
THREE:
FOUR:
Verbatim quotes.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:01 pmthere is a fiction
we have to dispel it
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:02 pmOf COURSE the ABC panel thnk Christie and Kasich and Bush and Kasich are winning. Ultimate bias conformation. Moderates are the truth tellers!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:03 pmI don’t disagree with that, no matter how many times I hear it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:03 pmAnd let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that twitter adds value. Twitter does NOT add value.
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:05 pmTrump did a great job there. Kasich whining about “da commun=ity” makes me want to punch him in the face.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:07 pmthat was an unfortunate juxtaposition
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:08 pmThese effing mods (except MKH)… if this was a Dem debate, there’d be hugs, smiles, it’d be all sh*ts n’ giggles.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:08 pmStop the Debates, Please.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:08 pmTrump doesn’t even pretend to answer questions. It’s just random chain-of-conscious phrases, the more banal the better.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:09 pmJUST YOU WATCH!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmI want the pumpkin to ignore every question and berate rubio.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmWhat’s going on with the Little Sisters of the Poor?
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmGreat answer from Rubio.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmWould note several 1993 and 9/11 bombers lived in Patterson, New Jersey. We will not hear that tonight. Christie is a squish on this.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:12 pmCarson is a must listen when questioned about his profession.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:12 pmzika gets all up in your pee pee says Dr. Carson but government will fix it
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:13 pmChristie shouldn’t have mentioned “bridges”…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:13 pmthis is the dippiest question yet by far
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:13 pmNo matter how high he raises that left eyebrow, the eyelid still droops.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:14 pm245 – Bugg Obamacare requires they pay for medical insurance for their employees which helps pay for medicines and care which prevent pregnancy and end pregnancy.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:14 pm@ Bugg (#245): Little Sisters of the Poor v. Burwell, a recent religious liberty decision of the SCOTUS.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:15 pmi do not believe hoochies should have to sign up for selective service
i think selective service should be eliminated
it has no function and it never will
especially with all the killer robots google is building
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:15 pmHistrionic Skeletor questions eventually… sort of a poor, blind man’s Peggy Noonan.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:15 pmThe crowd is embarrassing.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:16 pm“we have to reform our procurement process”
“i’m the guy who could do that”
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:16 pmThe donors like them some Jeb!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:16 pmCorrection, a pending SCOTUS case.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:17 pmPat – Are you saying Rubio is a Banana Split?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:17 pm
Skelator almost had Teh Jeb in her fiendish rat claws…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:17 pmRight on Mr. Carson
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:18 pmThis moderator is a jackass.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:18 pmThe booshes were so blind in their presidencies – Jeb is the man to fix it.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:20 pmTalk about how the corrupt VA keeps the “office administrative” jobs for current civil service applicants and pushes veterans coming back into the workforce to the janitorial opportunities.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:21 pmyes yes the greatest people need the most coddling
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:22 pmVaht is Cruz… chopped livah?!?!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:23 pmAnother minefield from Muir to Cruz. Why didn’t he go after Christie who expressly attacked paying ransoms on that very stage?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:24 pmespecially with all the killer robots google is building
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPAOxrH7Ro&feature=youtu.be&t=1m22s
SarahW (67599f) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:24 pmCan’t believe no one stole Trump’s signature line, and that he didn’t inject himself to use it himself, during the VA discussion: “You’re fired!”
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:25 pmthat’s so much more entertaining than this dippy debate thank you
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:25 pmGreat question from MKH. I hope she presses him on his abortion stance.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmFINALLY!!!!!!!!!!! An abortion question citing real polling!!!!!!!!! Right to Lifers are the vast majority.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmWhen not speaking, Trump looks asleep. Torporific!
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmFollow up on his own position. Follow up.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmFOLLOW UP
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmTHERE IT IS
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmThe moderators are bad, but the two fools who take over the commentary during the breaks are an embarrassment. Fortunately, I’ve got golf on 625. A couple of great putts, two near great putts by Phil M., but no real fireworks.
Does it seem to you that Cruz is being shorted time wise? And you gotta love that haggard faced lady who pointed out that Cruz missed a committee hearing in which a NH police chief testified. She meets every expectation for a LHMFM hack. But she seemed to be unable to distinguish between registering for the selective service and being drafted. In fact, she seemed to think that the draft was still in effect. Oh well …
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:28 pmwhere does MKH get off saying Team R is a pro-life party
just cause a bunch of rapid so-cons take over the platform committees doesn’t make it true
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:29 pmRubio’s brow is a now a waterfall.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:29 pmHe ended up doing well on that.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:29 pmsorry i mean rabid so-cons not rapid so-cons
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:29 pmyes yes let’s abort the rape babies good call Mr. Christie
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:31 pmJeb’s fans in the audience are trying to save his candidacy. But proportionately, are they more or less than the 8% he might win if he has a very good day, even in NH? I doubt it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:31 pmhappy, coddling? I’m retiring after twenty-five years, mostly because of the unfocused, unprofessional and political nature of today’s service. All of that has nothing to do with how some that were actual patriots were treated by those you elected (and approved the promotions of certain senior officers).
happy, careful on making light of an actual travesty.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:32 pmi want to bail but i’m morbidly fascinated to hear roobs do his closing statement
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:32 pmthat how we ended up with 55 million two generations wiped out from human history,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:33 pmYay for MKH. Her questions were the best, and her delivery improved as she went along. I hope it will boost her career.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:34 pmhappy, careful on making light of an actual travesty.
bosh and pickles go back and read the transcript
these people are super awesome!
so awesome they need government helps in all facets of their life!
the logics, they are not strong in Mr. Kasich
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:34 pmI am going to see Ted tomorrow in Peterborough, N.H.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:35 pmA 2 and a half hour Cruz. One way.
Vis-a-vis NH, Trump was hurt tonight. Rubio and Kasich sealed the deal with the voters who refuse to believe America is facing an existential crisis. Cruz solidified the true-believers.
Nationally, Rubio’s theme of attacking BHO and HRC cemented the impression he is the one most likely to win a general election. Cruz cemented himself with the Southern evangelicals with his sincere and personalized response to the drug issue.
Jeb had a great night, but it is far too little, far too late.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:35 pmRubio!
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:36 pmHF-
Heard Rush Limbaugh recount a story of golfing with some Catholic buddies who’s daughters had reached their 20s and started to..get after it.And how these men who had previously been adamantly pro life suddenly were okay with their daughters having abortions. Suspect there’s a lot more of that than anyone admits. Abortion is a bad ugly thing. When the left celebrates it, they lose When we say pay for your emanating penumbrial right yourself, stop late term abortions, sensible limits, we win. But when you start asserting abortion needs to be banned, the GOP loses votes. At a loss why they continue to be absolutist when it’s a loser position instead of merely trying to limit it.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:36 pmhappy, sometimes I can’t tell if you are making cute or a concerted cogent point. Bet you don’t know either.
Have you served?
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:37 pmOT,
I know this is a first world problem…
but there is an advantage to meeting lawyers face to face to discuss financial-legal concerns of the elderly
instead of via a phone conference…
scan this, merge that, send that
and where did that get saved to, it’s not in the folder where it is supposed to be????
Forms, forms,
everywhere a form,
filling up my desk and cluttering my mind,
sign this and fill out that
can’t you read the form…..
(for those of you younguns that don’t know the reference: https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=5+man+electrical+band+signs&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:38 pmNever would have made it through this debate without everyones posts, thanks all.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:39 pmKasich…Hope.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:39 pmKasich is Kermit the Frog.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:39 pmi agree Mr. Bugg I just do not get the obsessiveness i never will
people have to make their own way in life, make their own choices, and that’s a very very conservative view I think
it’s a quintessentially conservative view i think
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:40 pmHow lame, a question about the Super Bowl.
Patricia (5fc097) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:42 pmso is the seductiveness of sin, at first it was only the first trimester, but then they moved it to the second, and with a wretched ghul, like dr. gosnell, all the way to the 3rd, they voided the hyde amendment, and moloch’s minions are paid off even faster then the federal debt,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:42 pmAre you kidding me a family pan, Pathetic.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:43 pmWell, mostly good debate…both Trump and Rubio were revealed for their shallowness. The governors had a good night, especially Christie. Carson, eh. Cruz neither impressed nor hurt his brand (anybody else wonder that he intentionally didn’t interposed himself when others did?).
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:43 pmTED
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:43 pmFat-boy lied about Reagan’s abortion views.
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:44 pmMarco Rubio:
It’s DISPENSE WITH, not DISPEL WITH. With DISPEL, you go directly to THE FICTION, and do not include the word WITH.
Is the transcript right? Did he say DISPEL WITH?
I guess that by the third time, he’d forgotten the word altogether, or knew that he had, while he hadn’t the first time he repeated it. He didn’t use the word FICTION at all the third and fourth times. The third time, he said JUST NOT TRUE and the fourth time he tried the old “ANYONE WHO BELIEVES..trick.
He didn’t find a good ending to ANYONE WHO BELIEVES – all he could come up with is JUST DOESN”T UNDERSTAND, and OK?
Hillary Clinton would, YOU KNOW, say ANYONE WHO HAS (EXAMINED or some other word) and maybe LOOK
It is not true, really, what Rubio says. Not about all things, anyway.
Obama makes mistakes because of incompetence, too – his Syrian peace talks are an example of that, and so was of course, the technical failures of healthcare.gov in 2013.
And there are other situations where he doesn’t understand what is wrong with what he is doing – but he may understand that something is politically valuable to him, or he may think it is, and maybe doesn’t understand the whole issue really, but he doesn’t understand that what he is doing is wrong. Example: The minimum wage.
And in other cases he does understand something is no good – like with disapproving the Keystone pipeline. When that’s the case he does try to either limit the damage or comes upo with some reason for doing that. I am not sure what category his war on Louisiana charter schools belongs in.
In a lot of things, he’s half-hearted, in my opinion, and that may mean he recognizes that the policy is wrong. And/or it’s really being driven by lower ranking people, and he doesn’t understand it at all. But it can sound justified.
I think there are very few things taht he understands the consequences of it are bad, and goes ahead anyway. When he does he tried to limit it. Example: Reviews of alleged bad police killings. What he really should do is try to straighten people out. Instead, he arranges reviews, albeit he does not indict anyone unjustly.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:44 pmstay puft needs to be handled with the particle accelerator,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:45 pmTed rocked the closing. Stoked to see him tomorrow.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:47 pmExcellent. Take 9 pro-Cruz voters to the polls. Um, if you live in New Hampshire, that is.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:48 pmClintonista talking heads on ABC are boosting Trump. What a strange world we live in.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:49 pmI can’t believe there is anywhere in NH that is 150 minutes away from anywhere else in NH.
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:50 pmReagan did not include rape and incest in his definition of self defense. Only death or physical harm to the mother.
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:50 pmthat was the first one where i watched the whole thing
it was pretty sucky
way too much north korea and another tedious rehash of immigration and the abortion thing was very off-putting
oh.
also we have to reform our procurement process
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:50 pmkasich imposed medicaid funding against his state’s wishes, 6.6 billion in costs up to now, what happens when the ‘free money’ goes away, as with with the cop program in the 90s, will a future governor have to cut the funding, or raise taxes, or probably both,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:50 pmhappy, what no snarky retort full of nothing much. Thought I’d hear about you swimming in agent orange, with perhaps a short rhyme about your brain melting. Nothing? Shame, bet it would have clarified my doubts.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:50 pmThe death cult has to falsify everything to push their pro-death on babies agenda.
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:51 pmBill Kristof mentioned the repetitions too. Maybe he’s following the blog!
Patricia (5fc097) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:51 pm162:
I think that is where they stuck the icepick in.
Random Numbers (744102) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:52 pmRubio’s early performance will kill him in this primary. At least I can hope.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:52 pmback in the nam we had a saying
“we have to reform our procurement process”
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:52 pmDriving North from Cape Cod. I think he picked up more than nine with his closing statements.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:54 pma generation who went to war, came back and the services to care for them, were terribly inadequate, to be charitable. the ones who covered up the frauds, were reinstated and even
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:54 pmpromoted under the new administration,
happy, got it loud and clear. Feel free to eat the corn out my…
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:55 pmSarahW, I felt more hopeful after this one. Trump
Patricia (5fc097) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:56 pmseemed more sane and the others seemed more acceptable as conservative candidate. But maybe they’re hypnotizing me lol through the tv
As MD in Philly would surely affirm and possibly expand upon, a drooping eyelid is called “ptosis,” which is a wonderful Scrabble word. I’ve had one for almost thirty years now, a sequela from a temporary and long-resolved neurological issue. It’s worse — that is, the discrepancy between left and right eyelid — when I’m tired.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:58 pmTrump looked like an unhinged ahole in the first half of the debate…less so in the latter. Breitbart and Gateway Pundit will only reflect the good performance.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:58 pm311-Cape Cod is the south east corner of Massachusetts.
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 7:59 pmI phone says 2 and a half.
It’s a bigger deal for Rubio because his entire appeal is based on his looks, pretty much. Also on his supposedly skillful delivery, revealed tonight to be totally canned.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:00 pmcanned roobs
canned audience
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:01 pm325… Patterico would say that may disqualify you from seeking the presidency, Beldar.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:01 pmsucky questions
i want a list of the questions
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:02 pmPatterico, you got a re-tweet by Hugh Hewitt earlier. I think it was the one about Cruz.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:03 pmWe won’t hold it against you, though.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:04 pmI think NH will be telling…the impact of this debate and importance of conventional ground game. Reagan +40 swing due his debate is telling for those fickle Yankee electorate. Who knows what they will digest and take to heart.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:05 pmI look that way too but not because the lid droops – one eye bulges making the other look squintier.
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:07 pmwho’s side is stay puft on,
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/11/23/hezbollah-condemns-rubio-shaheen-bill-to-block-its-financing/
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:09 pmLocal boston t.v. loves them some govna’s
mg (31009b) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmI knew it! nk is popeye!
John Hitchcock (61d4f8) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmI wish Carly had been in the debate. That was kind of rotten that she was excluded.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmWas Trump right that the audience was composed of donors?
nk (9faaca) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:10 pmI’ve been playing online poker — Texas Hold’Em — during tonight’s debate. My $5000 initial table stake when I sat down, I’ve turned into $49,538.
Play money, of course.
I may therefore have missed a few good exchanges. But I think tonight’s debate won’t hurt Cruz (whom I don’t expect to win in NH.
I think Trump has hurt himself in New Hampshire since the Iowa results, and tonight I think he hurt himself worse. But the kind of GOP voter who’s as delusional as Trump himself — the kind who can’t distinguish between seizing property to build a pipeline that will benefit the entire country, versus building a casino parking garage — will still vote for him. I will be surprised if that turns out to be as many as 20% of New Hampshire voters, and I don’t think Trump will end up in first place; if he does, it will, I predict, be a near-tie.
I think a lot of NH folks who might have ended up voting for Rubio if there’d been no debate tonight, might be having second thoughts. He hurt himself.
It’s likely to be a very, very fragmented vote. I think New Hampshire will almost certainly end Dr. Carson’s campaign; and I think it’s possible that Jeb might also recognize the inevitable — although he has the money to continue, which Carson doesn’t.
I think Rubio, Christie, Bush, and Kasich end up splitting the traditional NH Sununu-Republican vote. So the question becomes: How many others will show up — will there be the kind of turnout of Cruz voters that his campaign got in Iowa, for example? — and can they propel someone else, either Cruz or Trump, into first or second place? I think it might.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:11 pmBelfast, one or both of my eyelids do that when I’m physically exhausted…has to be a fairly common complaint. Or I hope so.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:11 pm– 2015-12-22
wow almost a third of the most conservative Rs don’t want abortion to be illegal in most or all cases
that’s almost one in 3 conservative Rs!
oh my goodness
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:11 pmmy eyelids are perfectly symmetrical
everyone says so
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:12 pmFreakin kindle…Beldar not Belfast.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:12 pmNew Hampy, New Hampy
New Hampy, New Hampy
New Hampy, New Hampy
New Hampy, New Hampy
Eeny, meeny, miney, moe
Catch a junkie by the toe
If he holler, let him go
If he don’t, do the New Hampy
New Hampy
(Skinny like a monkey is)
New Hampy
(Junkie twist)
New Hampy
(Nonsense)
New Hampy
Jack and Jill went up a hill
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:15 pmTo cop
Jack fell down and broke his crown
Jill went into a nod and did the New Hampy
Beldar, your analysis is pretty much my own. The only thing is the governors…who knows, maybe one will surprise us all.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:16 pmDrooping eyelid could be a brain tumor. Could be nothing at all. Rubio looks pretty healthy, certainly compared to Chris Christie or Donald Trump.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:17 pmI’m getting tired of all these excellent extemporaneous speakers such as Rubio, Cruz, and Fiorina. Jindal, too, although he got zero traction.
We need to revert back to the old days when we Republicans would pray that our World Class Public Speaking Champions such as Bush or Dole or McCain or Ford would even be capable of giving a somewhat rehearsed sounding answer on a debate stage in between all of their answers and statements that began and ended with, “Umm, and uh, well, you know, ummmm…” (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:19 pmDid Marco Rubio get plastic surgery on one eye but not the other?
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:20 pmChildren standing next to old people always look immortal, the future. Fortunately, the child speaks and truth is known of their difference. Christie deserves a big fat hug for pointing that out.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:21 pmMy droopy eyelid is left over from an episode of this, which felt like Athena had burst through my skull with her axe but wouldn’t go ahead and climb out; instead she just kept bashing my skull, for about two weeks. Then I got better. But my eyelid still blinks, and I always look like I have a concussion because one pupil’s smaller than the other. I doubt Rubio’s eyelid is anywhere nearly as significant, but again, perhaps someone with medical expertise can opine for us.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:22 pmoh that’s in the Althouse comments too
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:23 pmer, my eyelid still droops. And blinks, and can, on command, even wink.
Did Rubio wink at any of his kids? They’re cute.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:23 pmThe Washington Post transcript also has Marco Rubio talking about “the Girls Count Act.” Could that be, maybe “the Girl Scout Act?” (some kind of law he helped pass in Florida?)
Anyway, this is not tyeh way to answer the inexperience question. He basically arguing that experience or inexperience doesn’t mean very much. That may be more or less true, but it doesn’t mean that knows what he is doing is wrong. He can point out, or say, that after seven years Barack Obama isn’t so great, so that experience made somebody good, he’d be very good by now. Or does only the experience BEFORE somebody becomes president matter, and the pace of the presidency is too hectic to learn on the job? Maybe no amount o experience helps some people, and others need little or none.
He can say that a lot of what goes into good or bad decisions is general background, and judgement and you have ideological bias, and say that after seven years Barack Obama isn’t so great. That’s maybe worth repeating a third time. But you don’t say that Obama knows what he is doing is wrong – that if he is destroying the country, or its military, or its ability to fight wars, orits economy, it’s because that is exactly what he wants to do. That is, unless you see some real reason to think so.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:23 pmThough I’m pissed at happy, he did nail Rubio as rico suave. Crystal clear this evening he’s either a robot with great empathy circuits or an overly rehearsed RINO prepared to say whatever necessary.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:25 pmI’m not a Christie supporter, not by a longshot, but damn, I think he had the best night of this, or any 2016, debate. He really hammered Rubio, and Rubio going into infinite loop(y) mode just as Christie hammered him for mindlessly repeating himself… wow, talk about playing into the other guy’s hands. I suspect foul play – somebody must have tinkered with Rubio’s software.
Governor Christie, thank you.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:27 pmMD says he’s getting bilateral ptosis since it is getting late,
But yes, he says
Causes include brain tumors, myasthenia gravis, MS, multiple other reasons for cranial nerve neuropathies, getting smacked in the face
And schlager blade duels
Hence colonel Klink and his monocle
I myself will go with simple fatigue and stress.
Painted Jaguar (a sockpuppet) (deca84) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:30 pmmaybe he’s melting
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:31 pmThough I’m pissed at happy, he did nail Rubio as rico suave.
pieter, the secret to enjoying being a commenter here is not to take happyfeet seriously. He’s great at coming up with awesome one-liners like Rubio as rico suave, but don’t think for a moment that you will elicit from him anything other than playful and glib responses.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:31 pmJVW, roger.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:32 pmMy neuroanatomy was never as good as MD’s, and his is pretty rusty these days as well,
Painted Jaguar (a sockpuppet) (deca84) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:38 pmBut I think ptosis and a pupil abnormality would worry me more than just the ptosis,
But if I say anything more I’ll reveal my ignorance at the moment
So I won’t
Perhaps it’s time to start rumors, humans can’t function properly without talking sh!t…my rumor is that Elon Musk and Google own the robot we call Senator Rubio, unfortunately the Wi-Fi connection briefly failed and he went into safe mode which entailed repeating canned campaign rhetoric.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:38 pmI admired Rubio’s attack on the Democrats as abortion extremists. And his comment about no abortion questions in the Dem debates. It seems abortion’s kind of on the back burner lately.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:39 pm+1
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:40 pmAs Beldar’s link explains, in one way that term merely describes a certain collection of symptoms and findings, not an actual specific and mechanistic explanation.
Painted Jaguar (a sockpuppet) (deca84) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:41 pmJVW,
I enjoyed your link (way up the thread) about the messaging axiom which was integral to that old ‘Cheers’ episode about “Beer and pretzels,” “Beer and pretzels,” and “Beer and pretzels.”
But apparently messaging is bad in politics. I yearn for the old days when our not very telegenic (think Bush, Ford, McCain) GOP nominees couldn’t string four sentences together on the debate stage in front of the camera, much less repeat them again twenty minutes later. Those guys all won their elections, didn’t they? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:43 pmAbortion is back burner for most because it’s no longer yes-no but when. I’m pro life, but you’d be hard to convince me the first ten weeks is more than hopeful tissue. If otherwise, explain the common place nature of miscarriage. Let the states determine their collective conscience.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:44 pmfeelings
has them
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:45 pmPatterico, roger.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:46 pmFiorina’s take on abortion has probably been the best elucidated by a republican candidate.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 8:51 pmChristie and his pro life shtick was a little over the top…there are limits to preserving human life- abortion, execution, war, etc. Only Democrats are allowed to believe in the mutually exclusive BS of killing the unborn after the first trimester and getting rid of state sanctioned execution.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:00 pmhappyfeet, you know that I’m your biggest defender here. When others were calling for your banishment a couple of months back, I rode to the rescue and insisted that you bring a welcome amount of levity to this gathering.
JVW (d60453) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:00 pmyes yes and thank you very much
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:02 pmYes Carly should have been there!
Patricia (5fc097) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:04 pmIT’S NOT A TUMOR!
Racists
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:12 pmIt’s Saturday Night. People who are paying sporadic attention to the TV behind the bar have a better chance of hearing Marco’s catch phrase then what was said by the other candidates.
He was going for the barfly constituency
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:17 pmLike most of you, checked the internets to see what folks are thinking…fairly close to the comments here.
pieter (ec44a2) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:24 pmin retrospect it was having to hear the lispy fruit loop whining about Mr. Cruz that was the low point
you’re a lispy barely coherent fruit loop
you never had a chance
he does
so you know what?
just deal
stop whining and just get over yourself
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:47 pmCarly has bought time during the Super Bowl in NH.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:54 pmOne thing I haven’t seen discussed. Trump indicated he would not only bring back waterboarding but that he’d go medieval on ISIS, presumably this means actual torture like the rack and removing fingers and stuff. How does this play with the average voter wrt the temperament question? It seemed like a number of people were taken aback.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:57 pmCarly has bought time during the Super Bowl in NH.
that’s such a meg whitman thing to do
happyfeet (831175) — 2/6/2016 @ 9:59 pmRubio’s challenge to the news media to ask the Dems about abortion and suggesting that Hillary would be OK with an abortion on delivery day what a high point for him. Anyone in NH who’s primarily moved by social issues had to like this.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:00 pmYes, but her pitch probably won’t be promoting meg whitman.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:01 pmWe shouldn’t nominate an intelligent telegenic guy like Rubio who speaks knowledgeably on foreign policy issues without hemming or hawing or getting his tongue tied.
Instead, we need a salt-of-the-earth, un-robotic, flawed-looking Jerry Ford to insist that there’s no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe. (Well, there was definitely no domination by Jerry Ford during that debate.)
Instead of nominating the ambitious, hungry (and thirsty! guffaw, guffaw!) son of a bartender and Motel 6 maid, we need to nominate an ambitious entitled Bush, who like President Daddy, might famously get caught on camera during a low-energy moment of a debate looking at his watch out of sheer boredom. We really need another McCain who refused to lower himself to actually debate his opponent during the debates. We need a George W. Bush, who when asked during a primary debate to name an influential political philosopher, replied, ‘Uhh, Jesus.’ (And that’s exactly what I yelled at the TV in response to his response—except I added the word, ‘Christ.’ LOL)
We need a Mitt Romney who when at the pivotal moment on the debate stage, famously became a shrinking violet in the presence of a woman named ‘Candy’ as she literally carried water for the President of the United States.
That’s winning!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:02 pmyou’re torching strawmen, there, cs, should get an extinguisher,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:06 pmEasy there hombre. I think we all know Rubio’s quirk was a planned bit of strategy, to get his quip talked about.
It worked, didn’t it?
Well done, Marco.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:08 pmHeh: “Christie Smokes A Cuban” – post-debate article up at the Daily Caller.
Dana (86e864) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:16 pmChristie:
But this is a Barack Obama who’s had seven years of experience as president! Christie, if elected, would also have seven yeasr of experience – but only as Governor.
Is it Christie’s contention that experience as Governor gives a person the experiece to know how to run things, but experience as president does not??
You could actually a case for that, incidentally. Maybe you need to learn gradually how to delegate effectively.
I’ll tell someone who didn’t have executtive experience: Richard Nixon. And the result was Watergate.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:47 pmThat Washington Post transcript has got have a dozen obvious mistakes I noticed. Donald Trump did not say CONVERSE but CONSERVE, every time. It’s EMINENT domain, not IMMINENT domain. The city where ISIS says there will be is not TIBET but Dabiq. In he previous debate Marco Rubio corrected his pronunciation because he said it sounded like he had Dubuque.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:55 pmI admit that Rubio was uncharacteristically tongue-tied. I think that Christie spotted a habit and devised a way to knock him out of his tracks. Because boy did he. There was a moment when the Marco doll was on its side and kicking in circles on the floor.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 10:57 pmWhat gets me is just how little of a killer instinct Jeb Bush has. Every time Chris Christie talked about his hurricane (which, technically, was not a hurricane), I expected Jeb to say something like, “Oh, you had a HURRICANE? I have a FILE CABINET labeled “Hurricanes”. But no.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/6/2016 @ 11:01 pmIt’s kind of like Tin Cup on the 18th tee. Dave Sims might have won the open, but…
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/6/2016 @ 11:29 pmChristie urinated on rubios’ boots and then wiped his hands on his tie.
mg (31009b) — 2/7/2016 @ 3:22 amOne for the pumpkin.