Breaking Story: Shootings in San Bernardino [UPDATED]
[guest post by JVW]
Hot Air is updating the story. As of 12:20 pm Pacific Time the reports are that 20 people have been shot. Some unconfirmed reports on Twitter are claiming that 12 are believed killed. A local television news station is also reporting that same number of deaths, and that police are looking for up to three white males dressed in military gear as suspects. [Edit: Cleaned up some clunky wording in my original post.]
Expect some very heated arguments in the coming days.
UPDATE: Bob Owens, the editor of Bearing Arms, is also providing updates on Twitter. He is apparently following the action on police scanners.
UPDATE 2: Predictably, the LA Dog Trainer already has an editorial up (and, no, I’m not going to link to those jackwaggons) excoriating everyone who thinks the Second Amendment is (1) a part of the Constitution and (2) applies to individual citizens and not the militia. They denounce the Heller decision, the NRA, gun manufactures, and pretty much everyone who doesn’t fully agree with Dianne Feinstein on this issue, and more or less drone on as if they were all auditioning for a guest column on the Huffington Post or Slate. I don’t recommend anyone bother reading it.
– JVW
Hot Air already included a Tweet from a HuffPo lefty who wants this to be all about Planned Parenthood. None of us looks forward to how Obama will capitalize on this incident.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:25 pmfwiw,
https://twitter.com/bob_owens/status/672146906164936704
narciso (732bc0) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:35 pmInteresting. Thanks narciso. I imagine there will be lots of developments like this over the next few hours.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:38 pmi’ve been afraid of this
climate change has hit San Bernardino very very hard
especially at high tide
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:40 pmUPDATE: Bob Owens, the editor of Bearing Arms, is also providing updates on Twitter. He is apparently following the action on police scanners.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:46 pmthis is from an earlier report in the feed,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/243078-breaking-active-shooter-in-san-bernadino-california/
narciso (732bc0) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:52 pmIf it turns out to be Muslims or Illegal Aliens then the Left won’t care.
But they creamed their pants when they heard about “three white males.”
I think they busted a nut right out of their nob.
Rodney Ling's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:52 pmIf it turns out to be Muslims or Illegal Aliens then the Left won’t care.
Except of course for the general inveighing against our nation’s “culture of guns.”
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:53 pm“Sayed”-Irish fella? Sounds like “workplace violence” to me.
Bugg (db3a97) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:57 pmMark Moultaskaka the vile garbage from Daily Kos beclowning himself saying the “three white guys” name Faroooqqiiii are GOPers.
Rodney Ling's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 12:59 pmThose fucking white male christians are at at it again!!!
Rodney Ling's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:00 pmBring in the Syrians! Alluh Ahkbar!!!!!!!
… it must get worse for us as a people before it gets better. We still have too many people with their heads firmly buried in the sand or people whose only interest is undoing the USA — “fundamentally transforming it” that is.
Los palos enseñan.
Rodney Ling's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:08 pm“If it turns out to be Muslims or Illegal Aliens then the Left won’t care.
But they creamed their pants when they heard about “three white males.”
I think they busted a nut right out of their nob.”
– Rodney Ling’s Spirit
The reverse could never by said of “the Right,” of course.
Who is Rodney Ling, anyway?
Leviticus (f9a067) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:22 pmWell, the Boston bombing was done by Caucasians — literally.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:24 pmConservatives don’t care if a (non-Muslim, non-illegal) white male shoots someplace up? Evidence please.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:25 pmThe bias in reporting is stark. Any shooters/bombers are always GOP/Tea Party, even if later proven to be left wing nutjob Democrats.
Huffington beclowns itself by leaving up comments asking if the victims shot back at all. With what weapons you left wing bozos?????
PCD (39058b) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:27 pmGerald, he didn’t say that. But you can’t deny that if it turns out that these are Moslems and/or illegal immigrants many of us will make political hay of it.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:27 pmIs it a gun-free zone? Do you actually know that for a fact, or are you just assuming because it usually turns out to be one?
Milhouse (8489b1) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:29 pmWhoever it is, and without blaming anyone, Obama really needs to come out and be a peacemaker. No more scolding, no more disgust for the American people. I doubt if he has it in him, but he’s got to try.
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:29 pmWhoever it is, and without blaming anyone, Obama really needs to come out and be a peacemaker.
I just checked out my window and I didn’t see any pigs flying, so I’m guessing that the President will slip into his usual mode of moral scold, chiding us backwater bitter-clingers for our inability to comport to his obviously superior moral code.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:34 pm#13 Q:Who is Rodney Ling, anyway?
That be Rodney King’s half chinese brother with a different father. Mom figured since the last name’s were different there was no need to be creative with the first name so make it the same.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:34 pmConservatives don’t care if a (non-Muslim, non-illegal) white male shoots someplace up? Evidence please.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:25 pm
I just don’t see where I misread Leviticus.
Whether conservatives make political hay out of it is a different question.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:44 pm#16: Milhouse,
If a house is burning, and someone yells “Fire!”, is that hayworthy?
It wouldn’t surprise me if PP was on a jihadists list of suitable targets. I just did a search on “riyhad abortion clinics” and found two prospective hits. One was “abortionpilldoctor” and they promised discretion with their mailings to clients. The other was a clinic in India which is just a few hours by air to the east. But as to the imams’ views on abortion, I’m just guessing here.
Based on his remarkably insightful remarks in Paris, I’m sure if jihadists are found to be the culprits, Kerry will regard the attack as a legitimate, or at least rational, act.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:51 pmListening to Shep Smith on Fox ignore the Faroquiiiiii name makes me sick.
He claims folks don’t know anything about who they are looking for.
Lord knows if the name is right but the name is reported ……. but Shep is too busy dreaming about his new dreamy boyfriend to care.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 1:54 pm#14 LOL. MUSLIMS bro. Get it thru your thick skull.
Not the White Male Christians with the Tea Party you were fantasizing about.
It looks the same here — more religion of peace types.
But we shall see …..
We can’t jump to conclusions because it does not suit the Left’s demented war on white male christian conservatives.
Like the Planned Parenthood or SC Shootings.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:00 pmI have a prediction.
Up to now, “swatting” has usually been false reports of some man killing his wife. Wasn’t that what was claimed about Patterico when he got swatted?
From now on, at last some swattings will be false claims of mass killings like is genuinely happening today.
Steven Den Beste (99cfa1) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:09 pmGreetings:
The Jihad Watch web site is reporting a Farooq Saeed as a suspect.
11B40 (0f96be) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:11 pmFarook Saeed is reporting Jihad Watch as a suspect.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:15 pmWhich is it?
Gerald A (949d7d) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:18 pmThey’re equally credible.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:22 pmF*** you Milhouse. Some of spent a good chunk of our lives defending this country and we hate to see TFG in the WH destroy it.
Call that “making political hay” if you want. But after Pearl Harbor ADM Kimmel was relieved wasn’t he? In the Navy when a ship is lost in combat there’s a board of inquiry, and if the Captain is culpable then there’s going to be a court martial.
If this is what I think it is, then just as in those examples it’s the guy at the top who is toblame. I realize Prom Queen never takes the blame for anything, but he’s the one leaving the border unguarded, he was the one playing down the ISIS threat because it didn’t fit his reelection arrative according to LT GEN Flynn (Ret), former DIA commander. If CENTCOM J2 was cooking the intel to make everything look all rosy it’s because of Prom Queen, he’s the one who won’t attend his daily briefing, and he’s the one who apparently refuses to be briefed if he doesn’t consider a group to be a terrorist group even if it’s on an official US listing, and he just said hours before the Paris massacre that ISIS was contained.
I don’t know if he gave his testimony today, but the CJCS testified that ISIS is most definitely not contained.
I expect President never-let-a-crisis-go-to-waste to politicize this because he said after Oregon that he ought to politicize this. While I’m at it, f*** him, too.
But somebody correct me if I’m getting any details wrong so far.
1. Target had had something like 600 developmentally disabled patients. Very hard to move. That would keep first responders tied up a good long while, wouldn’t it?
2. The suspects clearly knew the building, ingress and egress.
3. They moved very methodically.
4. The GMC Yukon was not parked at the target but drove up as they were exiting.
5. The shooters calmly got in, and the SUV drove away very calmly (later dumped).
6. They kicked things off by shooting up a Christmas party. Anyone see any symbolism there?
It’s not political, Milhouse. The buck stops, and his time it’s got to really stop, with the commander of this ship. In this case, the CinC.
If this is what I suspect. I could be wrong. This was no group of crazed loners, though.
Enjoy your Christmas shopping season, folks. I hear there’s a cell of grinches in every state in the union.
I could be wrong. I hope I am. But if turns out to be ISIS then this time time somebody’s heads have got to roll. I mean symbolically, as in getting fired and if appropriate prosecuted.
Nobody ever gets fired in this administration no matter badly they screw up, how many veterans dies waiting for appointments at the VA or no matter how many state or Navajo reservation water supplies they pollute with mine wastewater or how many confidential records the Chinese steal because nobody will get off their @$$es and fix vulnerabilities that were identified years ago.
This time it will be different.
How’s that for playing politics, Milhouse?
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:35 pmI’m listening to the radio and I’m hearing a lot of nonsense. Some people think it can’t be ISIS because the shooters didn’t stick around to commit suicide. Seriously? It’s stupid to think your enemy is going to do everything the same way every time.
How does anyone know it’s over yet? It’s still early in Kali. They could have secondary, tertiary, even more targets picked for today. Or they could wait for another day to collect their 72 virgins. Just because they didn’t wait for cops to show up and get in a shoot-out in San Bernardino doesn’t mean anything.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 2:45 pm#32
If it is an Atheist we will be told there is no war on Christmas and to be tolerant.
If it is a Moslem we will be told Islam is a religion of peace and to be tolerant.
If it is a GOP Voter we will be told all Conservatives are evil murderers.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:01 pmLet me jump to an admittedly unfounded but educated guess; these attackers are not done.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:03 pmHas anyone present reported the gunmen where shouting Allahu Akbar?
ropelight (896a6c) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:10 pmNo reports of that, ropelight. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t.
If they remained silent it just means they want to deny the cops as many cues as possible. They left a lot of witnesses. If they remain silent no one knows what language they were speaking, or, if they were to speak in English they might have identifiable accents.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:22 pmAbout two hours agoe the news was reporting the police found an abandoned black GMC Yukon. It had been abandoned in Pasadena.
Now, I’m hearing that the San Bernardino PD have shot the h3ll out of a black SUV, that there’s a body lying next it, and the cops are searching the neighborhood.
Who the h3ll knows what’s going on? If they were still driving around in the get-away vehicle up until a few minutes ago then this wasn’t at all what it first appeared.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:35 pmHeat words in the coming days?
Go to social media whether its twitter or facecrack and the usual suspects of the left from Chucky Pierce and Bob Bates of Esquire are calling for the abolishment of the 2nd Amendment and that all the gun owners are terrorists. On over to all the rest of the print media from the Atlantic to the WaPo, LAT, NYT, etc that are just talking about how evil the NRA is, Wayne La Pierre has blood on his hands and that this is now the “new America” where its more dangerous here than in Aeppo Syria.
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:41 pm3 anonymous shooters who execute mass carnage and escape sound like bought and paid for mercenaries.
gbear (fad6d1) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:44 pmCui bono?
Less than ironic if fast & furious weapons were used.
My sister-in-law is from Lake Arrowhead and has friends and family in San Bernardino; she reports they are all fine.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:49 pmVery glad to hear it, aphrael.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:50 pm@38 That just sounds too tin foil cap like to me.
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 3:51 pmThe reverse could never by said of “the Right,” of course. — Leviticus (f9a067)
Well, I’ll be honest. If a sickening, bloody act of violence involves liberal whites, or liberal blacks, or liberal Latinos, or liberal Asians, or liberals males, or liberal females, or liberal Jews, or liberal Christians, or liberal Muslims, or liberal GLBTers, or liberal straights, etc — or any group that pings the hearts of many on the left (as has been the case with a good portion of the notorious instigators of murderous rampages — or the types who the left loves to sympathize with — during just the past 10 years), while I don’t bust a nut (as Rodney characterized the response of many on the left), I am reminded of studies that show a good percentage of liberals (compared with conservatives) exhibit traits that are just the opposite of true compassion, true generosity, true tolerance.
And then I go “hmm” and snicker.
Mark (74fce8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:19 pmIs it a gun-free zone? Do you actually know that for a fact, or are you just assuming because it usually turns out to be one? — Milhouse (8489b1)
Another reason, Milhouse, why you shouldn’t claim or imply you don’t have more than a bit of liberal bias, and why I’m not imagining that particular trait (which is underwhelming to me—certainly if it involves a person who is well past his teenage or college years) based on at least some of your posts.
Mark (74fce8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:26 pmThis certainly wasn’t at all what it appeared. And I’m glad it wasn’t. But it’s still very curious.
This is up at Drudge:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-dramatic-video-shows-police-storming-inland-regional-center-20151202-story.html
They know it’s going to happen?
There’s lots of places where the clients and their parents are sometimes angry. But I’ve never heard of a place that has active shooter drills every month or so.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:28 pmHCF’s here in #Failifornia are all #GunFreeZones, because that makes them safe from violence.
if you’re lucky, and it’s a government facility, you *might* have a couple armed security types somewhere on campus, but nothing suitable for repelling a coordinated attack by people bent on violence. they’re only there for the random unhappy person, not this sort of thing.
redc1c4 (51aab8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:36 pmI also heard that you need an e-card to get in the door of the place, but maybe it was left open for people coming to the party? As to targeting…I don’t know. Maybe the building, but they could have headed for the sound of all those voices.
I wonder if the Saeed Farook tip is for real, but it could be a revenge/jihad thing if he was a disgruntled employee.
JVW, I know it was a fantastical thought, LOL. A scorpion gotta be a scorpion.
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:37 pmDoesn’t Cal State U have a sizable Arabic Studies Program in San Bernadino?
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:37 pmBy “places” I meant places where they work with the developmentally disabled. Such as those with autism, Down’s syndrome, mental retardation, etc.
Does anybody know what kind of place this Inland Regional Center is? Because it’s the only place that works with the developmentally disabled I’ve ever heard of that has active shooter drills every month.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:38 pmno one’s shopping anyway…
and if we do, it’ll be at a gun store or on line.
redc1c4 (51aab8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:40 pmThe LATimes, yes I know not considered reliable, has an ongoing updated story
Currently there is a story that there was an argument at a party using the space but not affiliated with the facility, and that someone left the party mad and came back armed, perhaps with an accomplice or two.
Perhaps there is an Islamic jihadist component,
maybe a work place violence incident or a Hassan work place violence incident.
Maybe we need to wait, and hope we hear some truth along the way
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:41 pmglass doors aren’t bullet proof… nor are the windows next to them.
a round or two and you’re inside.
redc1c4 (51aab8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:42 pm#49: got mad & came back loaded for bear, pipe bombs and all?
the Slimes is likely just making stuff up, so they don’t have to take the terror angle seriously.
redc1c4 (51aab8) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:43 pmCurrently there is a story that there was an argument at a party using the space but not affiliated with the facility, and that someone left the party mad and came back armed, perhaps with an accomplice or two.
As somebody on Twitter put it, who the hell has friends that they can enlist on the spur of the moment to go shoot up a social services center? It certainly sounds like people who are predisposed to mass violence.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:49 pm#49, #51, if this report is true (and who knows, at this point), it could be that someone at the event made sure that the intended target was there before beginning the assault. But until more facts become public what this is about is going to remain unclear.
Katherine (f9c276) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:49 pmAgree that best to wait for more facts,
yes, it sounds like not the “usual” disgruntled employee out for personal revenge
but it does sound like an odd target if no personal issue involved, and if there was an individual target, again, why such a setting
who knows,
but the twitter feed by Owens seems very helpful, including pictures of an escape car riddled with holes,
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:57 pmsomething somewhere about a helicopter armed with an M-4
i have no idea, just passing it on
@44
Actually, there are a number of places that are taking on “active shooter drills” or “anti-terrorism drills” and making them mandatory for all of the staff and management to participate in. Yes, some of them are becoming monthly events, like fire drills. Simply because in some cases the cities, businesses or other entity; they can prove they are reducing the potential insurance risks by having people trained what to do if something goes down the people know what to do.
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 4:58 pmCharles, I believe public entities, from school boards to agencies of the Federal leviathan, are “self insured”, meaning those few of us who still pay taxes are on the hook for all their misadventures. Their “drills” are simply to reinforce the propaganda that substitutes for effective policies.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:13 pmCharles, the fire dept. generally doesn’t show up and conduct those monthly fire drills. Usually it’s just the employees practicing to evacuate the building.
At this place it’s the San Bernardino PD that gears up and does the monthly active shooter drills. And it’s the staff and management just sitting around watching them.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:15 pmAnd who has friends who not only up for that at the spur of the moment, but have their ski masks, BDUs, and body armor ready to go?
At this point, I know, it’s ridiculous for me to expect that the LHMFM got even those basic facts correct.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:30 pmcui bono?
this is gonna go a long way towards knocking the planned parenthood shootings out of the news i bet
happyfeet (831175) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:31 pmATF agents found a pipe bomb on one of the suspects… don’t know if it was Farouk Suq-maDiq or not.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:36 pm#59: you missed the early news reports that mentioned there was a PP abattoir down the road a few miles.
#54:
if your objective is sow fear, etc, what better to attack than a #GunFreeZone full of handicapped, their families, and health care w*rkers?
soft target & helpless victims.
redc1c4 (51aab8) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:51 pm#61: redc1c4, indeed. Consider “Major” nidal hasan, an executioner of nurses and their patients.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:55 pmUPDATE 2: Predictably, the LA Dog Trainer already has an editorial up (and, no, I’m not going to link to those jackwaggons) excoriating everyone who thinks the Second Amendment is (1) a part of the Constitution and (2) applies to individual citizens and not the militia. They denounce the Heller decision, the NRA, gun manufactures, and pretty much everyone who doesn’t fully agree with Dianne Feinstein on this issue, and more or less drone on as if they were all auditioning for a guest column on the Huffington Post or Slate. I don’t recommend anyone bother reading it.
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 5:57 pmSo white males with Muslim names.
Here’s the skinny on the source of all these migrants, Crack Whore is behind that as well:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-02/russia-presents-detailed-evidence-isis-turkey-oil-trade
Here a Nebraskan ships the oil via his railways, Erdogan has only dirt roads but plainly the US is fighting a proxy war with ISIS, is starting another WW in Europe with ISIS, and will declare martial law here by means of ISIS.
DNF (755a85) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:04 pmWe know Obama will call for more gun control but this is looking like international terrorism. I don’t think Obama can blame a video so will we see him blaming insensitive Americans for having a Christmas party at government expense?
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:06 pmthere must’ve been a lot of people there what didn’t believe in the second amendment just like the la times
many of them are dead now or in the hospital
i believe a lot in the second amendment and I had a tasty sammich and we had firecakes donuts again today
tomorrow i’m gonna believe in the second amendment some more and knock out some christmas shopping and make some tea (pu-erh) so i need to stop and get some half n half at the cvs on my way in to work
guns! love em!
happyfeet (831175) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:06 pmWe don’t know much, but we know enough that this involved organized planned shooters, likely Arabic ones. But the “party’ story sounds really implausible. Nobody shows up to a Christmas party, gets a tad displeased (lack of pigs in a blanket perhaps? no buffalo chicken dip?warm beer?) and THEN goes and gets 2 heavy-armed tactically-dresses pals to shoot up the place 10 seconds later, leaving in an organized fashion. That could be the most ridiculous thing the MFM has ever tried to sell. Which given how The One glided into office is saying something. Simply these BASTARDS will do ANYTHING to not say IT’S ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:07 pmI don’t think Obama can blame a video so will we see him blaming insensitive Americans for having a Christmas party at government expense?
Should we award a prize to whomever discovers the first lefty who tries to blame this on the House vote against Obama’s plans to bring in Syrian refugees?
JVW (d60453) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:08 pmWell, the police are saying there was an argument and someone left, but they cannot say whether that person was involved in those who came in the attack.
As pointed out, even if it was the same person coming back with associates, it clearly wasn’t an unplanned attack by a disgruntled employee and friends.
It may have been a planned thing by an employee that was there earlier, and that was involved in why that was the site for the attack, as opposed to somewhere else.
Why plan an attack at a Christmas party of county mental health workers at a specific site unless there was a personal contact,
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:19 pmdoesn’t mean it wasn’t “terrorism” even if there as a co-worker contact.
Tayep erdogan and farouk sayef, what are the odds.
narciso (732bc0) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:27 pmABC news just said they are now going to have to determine whether local or international terrorism. Surprised to hear that even suggested by media.
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:28 pmNarcisso,
Do you have. A link?
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:31 pmMultiple lone wolves as per the MFM, and local terrorism rather than international. Smiles, SMILES, everyone! Welcome, my friends, to Fantasy Island!
Bugg (fa64ec) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:31 pmFBI announced that they are looking at a terrorist. Not willing, they said, to go with that yet, but they’ve switched their focus to that…
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:34 pmAs of a few minutes ago that’s still the story being reported on ABC radio news.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:36 pmI saw this tweet by Jon Gabriel:
“I’m sick of these white male NRA Republicans and their mass shootings beca… um, Sayeed Farook? Hey, let’s not vilify an entire group.”
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:39 pm@67
The “party” line came from the fact that on the Facebook page or some other social media site there was a holiday party video and photos of the residents at this location. However, it also has for rent conference rooms and currently some of the media is reporting that there wasn’t so much a party, but rather a meeting of a government board (media is conflicting about whether its a PTA like meeting, some committee of the city council or some other council of government like environmental health sort of meeting). At which the attack begun in this meeting point and not in the actual residency portion of the building. However, just like the nutter who shot up CO Springs neighborhood. The investigation wasn’t done, but because he hid out in Planned Parenthood building, then he was targeting abortion providers. The reality might be completely different, doesn’t matter anymore. The “truth” has been established that he was hunting abortion providers and the patients of said providers.
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:43 pmSo the “truth” here will be that it wasn’t terrorism (even if will be ruled that later) but instead it will be some nutter who tried to killed and in later printings of the history books did kill some disabled folks. That is the way it works now.
gotta love this from Associated Press propaganda sluts Amanda Lee Myers and Justin Pritchard
happyfeet (831175) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:48 pmStayed Farouk, suspect, and now his brother, too.
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 6:59 pmPer LAT: Two law enforcement sources identified one of the deceased suspects as Syed Farook, an American citizen.
Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.
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Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 7:03 pmFrom Owens Twitter.
narciso (732bc0) — 12/2/2015 @ 7:11 pmWhich newspapers were the two “suspects” delivering?
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 7:34 pmPicture of the dead muslim sob right here gleened from the Free Republic feed here.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 7:36 pmWhere was the United States Army?
Michael Ejercito (d74b61) — 12/2/2015 @ 7:48 pmFrom NY Daily News:
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:01 pmhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471?cid=bitly
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:02 pmMuslims? Shocked!
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:07 pmI saw some picture of the muslims …. 3 caucasians? Really?
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:09 pm@84
That would be Posse Commitatus Act (or Pussy Communists for those of you from LA or any place south of the Mason-Dixie Line) that prevents the DoD from doing Law Enforcement on the US or its territories unless the President (or someone else in the National Command Authority if the POTUS can’t be found) authorizes it. So the US Army was in Ft. Irwin and the Marines were in Miramar and 29 Palms and did nothing but watch this from the news. The US Law Enforcement is radically different than most of the rest of the world. We don’t have a federal army unit that also acts as domestic police with super jurisdictional powers, like what the UK, France, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Italy, Germany, Israel or any number of other nations do.
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:12 pmThe narrative is becoming clear:
… another example of workplace violence.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:14 pmKcal 9 news: Residents say they noticed a new family move in to the house now surrounded and robot going into, and said that a lot of young men were always going in and out but they didn’t want to report it because they were afraid being accused of racial profiling.
Dana (bbb6de) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:16 pm@86
Is that the same NY Daily News that publish this bit of hate?
Charles (174c38) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:17 pmSandy Burgler, ex-Clinton national security adviser, dead at age 70.
What ring of perdition does a politically motivated thief, traitor, and co-conspirator land in?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:26 pmLA Times reporter Rich Serrano says police idrntified second suspect as a 28-year-old female Qatar resident named Tayyeep Bin Ardogan.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:39 pmTheRe is a third suspect still at large, a female.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:43 pmAny relation to Recep Tayeep Erdogan, the president of Turkey?
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:46 pmTayyeep Bin Ardogan
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/2/2015 @ 8:48 pmFarooq Sayeed
Kinda Atallah
“I’m sick of these white male NRA Republicans and their mass shootings beca… um, Sayeed Farook? Hey, let’s not vilify an entire group.”
One can never be too absurd in parodying the reaction of far too many people on the left.
One indication of just how sickeningly “leftie” our leader probably is (or is, period) compared with even the socialist/leftist president of France, is that if a US city ever experienced the same bloodshed that Paris went through recently, Barry Obama, unlike Francois Hollande, would clumsily and grotesquely politicize the whole thing and, worse of all, struggle not to proclaim that the US had it coming. IOW, I don’t believe even Hollande has been as much a stereotypical ass-backward liberal as Obama would be.
Mark (f713e4) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:29 pmThis may be dumb question but I read that Farooq may have worked for the County inspecting restaurants and other food providers. If that’s true, could he as a Muslim inspect places that serve pork products, or is preparing pork to eat different than eating pork?
If he objected to doing these inspections on religious grounds, should the County have to give him a religious accommodation that allowed him not to inspect those places?
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:29 pmMaybe he was a disgruntled employee because they wouldn’t give him an accommodation ….
Dana (86e864) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:36 pmIt’s Farooq and his jiwhorey wife. Ain’t it something how CAIR – the unindicted co-consprators – tried to get out in front of this and spin it!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:43 pmHis title was enviromental health specialist (check the second picture in the link from my post at 83).
Maybe he ran into me on a Daily Caller message board. I ruin global warming cranks on a daily basis.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:44 pmThis LA Times update reports that a former coworker says if Farooq is the same person who worked for the County, he was quiet/reserved and went to the holiday party last year. The department they worked in had turnover issues, turmoil, and management problems, which I suppose could lead to workplace violence. She also said she heard they recently had a shower for Farooq’s baby and he had returned from paternity leave.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:46 pmSayedd is a twofer, an Islamic terrorist and a domestic ecoterrorist,
/also a tasty desert topping.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:47 pmDemocrat leftwing scum floats on top like the floaters they are.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:47 pmre #44: Maybe not all States, but CA is quite concerned about extreme belligerence related to health care operations http://www.calhospitalprepare.org/active-shooter
seeRpea (1a565c) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:48 pmThat may not be the same person. The spelling of the first name is different and the reports say this suspect is 20 years old, which is probably too young to be a doctor.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:50 pmSo DRJ you are saying he was on the verge of losing his $50k per annum government job???
We can blame Jerry Brown’s creative bookkeeping.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:51 pmWay too early. It could just as easily be that trigger-happy cops shot down an innocent couple (and one of their own in the crossfire). Like they did twice chasing Dorner.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:53 pmHow old do you have to be to become Captain Planet for a state government?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:54 pmAnd thank you for proving Leviticus right. Milhouse too.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 9:55 pmAnd thank you for proving Leviticus right. Milhouse too.
Colonel and Captain Obvious
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:01 pmNothing burger. You know except the families of the victims. Which you can’t send condolences to because you know that’s racist. It’s right there on a New York paper.
I’m sick and I’m tired. Everyone has to pretend it’s not this, that or another because it might hurt the university children or the religion of peace or the crazies. Nope. Inanimate objects kill people.
What a sorry lot my generation engendered, barely removed from the ones who defeated Nazism. What a sorry lot we all are. What a worthless, brow-beaten herd of sheep a once proud nation has become.
Did you know that a climate conference is the ultimate humiliation to terrorists? I don’t think they think so.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:07 pmPolice spokesman on Fox just confirmed my formulation of things , which in turn was me just parrotting what was already reported at Free Republic.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:13 pmThe LA Times reports Farook had gone to Saudi Arabia and came back with a wife he had met online. Is that Tayyeep or someone else? I wonder if he did more than court his future wife on that trip.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:16 pmThe media questions are only interested in what kind of gun did the killing.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:16 pm20 would be young for someone who has been working for awhile. It seems likely that he’s older than the first reports said, but do you think he’s a doctor or has a PhD? It seems strange for someone like that to be a restaurant inspector.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:19 pmReporters said that guns were legally purchased.
Dana (bbb6de) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:19 pmI wonder if he did more than court his future wife on that trip.
He probably did. They have a baby. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:21 pmThe photo that was linked to upthread is different from the one local So. Cal. news posted on TV.
Dana (bbb6de) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:22 pmInitially, the police press conference was scheduled for 9pm but it didn’t happen till 1am. Nothing new was revealed the police didn’t already know earlier. So why the delay?
Perhaps to give CAIR time to develop a media strategy, assemble the appropriate spin team dignitaries, practice their crocodile-tear delivery techniques, and weed out anyone who couldn’t restrain themselves from a Dr Strangelove response.
ropelight (896a6c) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:40 pmAnyone know where the shooter couple’s 6 month old baby was during the attack? Or, where the baby is now? I was disappointed the topic wasn’t addressed at the 1am press conference. The press didn’t express any interest in the welfare of the child, nor did the police volunteer any information.
ropelight (896a6c) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:52 pm1:00 a.m.? It’s only 11:00 p.m. in California now.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 10:54 pmNk time zone differences for some folks. So 9pm PST is 1am EST
Charles (4203a2) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:02 pmnk, thanks for pointing out my omission of EST. It’s late here and my comment was not up to snuff.
ropelight (896a6c) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:07 pmI won’t ask what you guys doing up at this late hour. I have a medical excuse, 2 of ’em.
ropelight (896a6c) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:09 pmUsing the logic of Bernie Sanders, it’s all about climate change, which caused Farook and his woman to shoot up a center for the developmentally disabled. After all, there is a bad drought in California, and climate change is the cause of the drought. Certain parts of San Bernardino are hardest hit by the drought, and all this weather turned Farook and Malik into radicalized Muslims. The ideology has nothing to do with it. No sirree.
WarrenPeese (297984) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:22 pmThey (who may or not be Farook and his woman) did not shoot up a center for the developmentally disabled. They shot up a Christmas party, held by county employees who had rented a party room at the center for the developmentally disabled.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:28 pmAccording to news reports and the San Berandino police.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:29 pmEither one of whom I believe implicitly, always, with complete faith and trust that they are telling me the absolute truth after a meticulously thorough investigation.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:30 pmWell, nk, that just changes everything!
WarrenPeese (297984) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:32 pmCommon denominator.
Gus (7cc192) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:45 pmIZZLAM.
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST
Bullshit. Complete and utter LIBTARD TAX dependent BULLSHIT.
Gus (7cc192) — 12/2/2015 @ 11:47 pmguns don’t kill people anymore then atomic bombs cause hiroshima. a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun sometimes so lets give guns to the families of newtowns dead children and let them use n.r.a. leaders and pro gun congressmen for target practice!
nate (4789f4) — 12/3/2015 @ 12:54 amIndeed they did not. My first thought was that if this was terrorism, the terrorists chose the target because it was full of patients who would be difficult to evacuate. They would be more useful alive, sort of like filling the roads with refugees would delay the arrival of opposing force. The terrorists could move on to a secondary target while the police and other first responders were still evacuating and clearing the first. Shoot and scoot.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:10 amAlthough all the witnesses say there were three shooters, the authorities sound like they are almost ready to say it was done by only two people involved. The public release of information has been pretty bad.
If what Steve57 said above is correct, and the car in which they drove away was not parked there but driven there by another person, that makes at least four, and since there is no record, as Powerline blog says, of a mixed gender assault team (that would probably be somewhat un-Islamic and in any case unusual, although not impossible) the woman killed with Syed Farook, who turns out to be his wife, may not have been part of the assault team, and that leaves 3 men on the loose, maybe all three who took part in the assault. (The 3rd man arrested has now been released – he’s considered not involved.)
You know they were saying in the late afternoon that possibly one was arrested and one was “down” – they were treating the SUV like it might be boobytrapped, or at least have loose explosives in theer. The police were clearly not wary of someone in the car, though. There wass something on the ground that the helicopter couldnt see. Now hey say two dead people, a man and a woman = Syed and his wife.
It doesn’t sound like the suspicious house with men coming and going is the same house where Farouk lived with his wife, baby and mother. And it’s also not the getway car – maybe.
Farook was identified as a result of a tip – not clear where that tip came from – and the only thing known is that he had an argument there and he left.
He may even have been part of he conspiracy – and yet not part of the 3-person assault team.
It’s not clear what the argument was about – it ould have been staged.
One thing that occurs to me is: If he knew what was coming and had let some people in, he might want to ger out of there but have a good excuse for leaving. Ot maybe he might have been the driver of the getaway car. In that case, sine he couldn’t know exactly when it would end, he must have been in telephone (cellphone) contact, probably via text with one or more of the killers.
It looks like Islamic terrorism and perhaps even what ISIS was claiming it was going to do – in which case this would actually be a minor plot, while there are other plots in the works. You can think of other possibilities – non-ISIS jihadists, an unaffiliated group, or people against vaccinations, but a very elaborate plot related to ISIS seems to be the best idea.
The workspace connection would be more because it was ready at hand and available than because someone thought this was the best target.
By the way, this was a “Holiday Party” and not a Christmas party – after all this was December 2nd.
No way was this a spontaneous decision, altough it is possible something caused someone to jump the gun. A very elaborate plot with some elements of a cover-up in place seems to be the best idea, and
Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:47 amand the cover-up may be working. The cell has not been busted, but if the authorities act like it has, the cover-up is working. Syed Farook may even have been selected as the fall guy.
On the other hand the Daily News says (in an artivle written before the second person was identified as a woman) that both people pulled from the car were wearing assault style clothes. so that could make the part of the initial team.
What was though unusual about the car is that it was within a mile of the attack, and yet it was 3 or 4 hours later. But Syed lived around there?
Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:55 amThe names have changed:
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 3:56 amWere either of these two people on the government’s radar? I hope so but it seems not, which suggests there could be far more threats here at home than the government knows about.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 4:04 amNate is that genocidal Perry
JD (34f761) — 12/3/2015 @ 4:53 amWherever one finds death and hate one will find Perry. This time hiding as “Nate” and encouraging his fellow citizens to commit murder on people because they believe in the Second Amendment. Wow! What a lousy American but what a great leftist, communist and seditious moslem sympathizer.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 5:30 amSo we have a jihadi couple who drop their baby off at Grandma’s house before waging war, and we have a group of workers at a holiday party who taking smiling group photos minutes before they are shot and killed/injured. It sounds like a tragic, unbelievable TV show but it’s real.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 5:35 amI think we will see more people deciding to embrace the “If you see something, say something” policy.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 5:39 amReally, DRJ? I doubt it because the leftists have instilled political correctness so well people (other than myself) are afraid to call it for what it is. Like this guy who watched some unusual activity but didn’t want to be called racist.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 5:56 amI saw a blurb saying a neighbor was suspicious but didn’t say anything because “they didn’t want to be accused of racial profiling”
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/3/2015 @ 5:58 amThat may not be true, it may just be an alternative narrative
but we know such an attitude has tragically prevailed before, as that terrible situation in England and the child predation.
#141 …. no we won’t b/c TODAY being called a racist is worse than using common sense or doing good things for your community.
Look at Clock Boy in Texas. See something, say something = big jury award for Islamist boy and praise from billionaires and Obola to his intelligence. All this in spite of having an Islamist daddy politically active back in Africa and a sister who was guilty of making bomb threats on the same school.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:02 amI would have a problem with denouncing my neighbors on suspicion, too. That’s KGB-style totalitarianism. It’s very different from witnessing an actual crime in front of your eyes.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:03 amWell, middle eastern men congregating together by itself is something I’m not sure is something to investigate. People are social and birds of a feather flock together, I assume wherever there are people of ME background they may get together out of shared interests
I do think “undercover” people in mosques to identify which ones are advocating violence and war against the US government is certainly warranted.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:04 amif there really was a white “christian” sect that advocated violent overthrow of the government and random acts of violence to terrorize I would be happy to have them monitored as well.
(Infiltrating to see who still believes in marriage being between one man and one woman, not so much).
Just look how Perry’s demented mind works, DRJ. We have a couple, Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, both with Middle Eastern sounding names, both identified as moslems, with firearms BOMBS and remote control bombs and both having recently returned from Saudi Arabia. The logical conclusion from dumbass Perry is they’re Teaparty’ers and NRA members. That’s how incapable he and his ilk are of taking logic to it’s conclusion. Moslem names + bombs + Saudi = NRA to this deluded putz. And if you look around the internet all the leftists are spouting the same crap. It’s like they are programmed. Or mentally ill. Or both.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:05 amI had a neighbor that was looking suspicious. It was a house that I passed walking the dog and we saw a lot of women in burkhas and multiple cars parked there as though there was a meeting. My daughter is an FBI agent and we told her about it. She said they checked on the address and nothing came of it. Too bad those neighbors were afraid to report their suspicions.
The Flying Imams and possibly the “Clock Boy” incident might have been planned to discourage reporting suspicions. Certainly, the medical staff at Fort Hood had plenty of warning about Major Hassan and did nothing, probably due to the influence of senior generals like Casey who said “The worst thing that could result is a change in the Army’s Diversity.”
Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:05 amThe LA Times and many other liberal news media, websites, and pundits are framing this as another in a long line of gun crimes: “355 mass shootings in 2015” — says the Washington Post.
WaPo cites the Guns Are Cool website that defines mass shootings as 4 or more people shot in one event (as opposed to the FBI definition of 4 or more murdered). This definition includes terrorism but also personal disputes, gang, domestic, and police shootings.
That’s part of why The Atlantic calls guns “America’s top killing machine,” because it is estimated that guns will kill more than cars this year. I wonder how many lives guns would have saved in the hands of the innocent victims at that holiday party?
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:06 amI have an acquaintance/friend of my sons who is in Homeland Security, having been an air marshal at one point. He said “of course” the flying Imams was some sort of dry run, and “it happens all of the time”, as if there was enough surveillance going on to keep an eye on folks to see when it went from thinking to acting.
I saw a blurb (but didn’t read it and now lost it) about some recent grad of that school in Texas who is Muslim and wrote with accolades as to how well she was treated in that school, that there was no “Islamophobia”, and if someone had raised suspicion they had earned it.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:11 amJust another tragic occurrence of Workplace Violence.
Lorem Ipsum (cee048) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:11 amI don’t think being alert to unusual activities especially by those who fit the profile of “terrorist” is denouncing anybody, nk. Why is it that if this were 1943 and the house next door had Nazi flags nailed on the walls and guys goose stepping around the property calling the FBI would be okay but the murdering moslems are somehow hands-off because Freedom of Religion? F of R only works when it’s a real religion not a political dictatorship hiding as one.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:15 amNow that this has happened in America, I think most people have a survival instinct and will worry when they see suspicious activity and/or groups of Arabs/Muslims. I think this is especially true if thsee shooter wrren’t on any watchlists. Of course, some people won’t do anything and some won’t be concerned, but some will.
I think another reason people won’t do anything is if they don’t trust government or law enforcement to do anything about it. I have my doubts about the DOJ, Homeland Security, ICE, etc.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:15 amIf you are reluctant to believe in the ferocity of action by these agencies, DRJ, just try donating to a conservative PAC. They’ll be all over you like white on rice.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:32 amThe TSA is doing a good job. No terrorist has gotten on a plane in the United States with more than 3ozs of toothpaste.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:32 amI wonder how many lives guns would have saved in the hands of the innocent victims at that holiday party?
Another “gun free zone.”
California has pretty strict laws and concealed carry permits are rare, I know of a couple of doctors, both female, who had them but they are hard to get unless, of course, you are a big contributor to a sheriff.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:44 am<blockquote
I don't believe that for a New York minute, DRJ. That's the most blatant piece of leftist generated and leftist perpetuated propaganda and misinformation since man made global warming.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:48 amConsider the possibility Syed Farook was curious about jihad and began to look online for information and in the process was exposed to extreme ideas about the religious responsibilities of young Moslim men. He began to meet and associate with like minded Moslims here. Over time as he became more and more radicalized he was identified as eligible to import a trained jihadi into the US and encouraged to do so.
He goes to Saudi Arabia to marry the trained terrorist he’s been introduced to online, and brings her home to California. She instructs him in tactics and techniques of mass murder and they go on to worship their god in the way he finds most pleasing and to collect their reward for strict adherence to the most sacred tenets of Islam.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:55 amNow multiply what ropelight said in #157 by hundreds of thousands and you have Obamas refugee policy.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:58 am17. Millhouse, you are a complete Useless Fool Idiot.
Well, idiot, let’s hear you list the Facilities that are gun welcoming. Please highlight ones that had a shooting, then narrow it down to GOP or Tea Party on the trigger. The crickets are chirping now.
There is one solution to this and it starts with hitting Obama in the mouth with an aluminum baseball bat, with a dose to the party-line “Millhouses” out there.
Sheriff Joe is asking a lot given how the Cowardly Democrat party sues to get even for every good deed someone does.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:06 amDr Mike said on another website that it’s getting easier to decode what government officials say, such as “We don’t kniw yet ifit’s terrorism” means it is terrorism, but we don’t want to admit it yet. Dr Mike is right, as usual.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:08 amI’ll take the Atlantic seriously when my bacon, tomato, and cheese sandwich grows wings and flies out the window.
And “it is estimated” is somebody trying to lie to you no matter who is saying it. Like the “estimated” Million
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:09 amFelonMan March where maybe 5,000 showed up. And, in Chicago, every year we have an “estimated 1 million people expected to attend the gay pride parade” and maybe 8,000 show up. Every year and they keep on saying it.I wonder if any of the deranged leftists and MFM things will apologize for blaming this terrorist activity on the NRA, GOP, and white men ?
JD (34f761) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:10 amAlso, years back I sent a note to Neil Cavuto about the “Dog Trainer” that he couldn’t finish reading because he was laughing so hard. I don’t have a UTube of it.
I said the LA/NY/Times was so full of feces that I couldn’t use it for a liner for my catbox. The cat went elsewhere because he thought the freshly changed with new litter catbox was full of Sh*t because I used the Times as a liner.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:10 amOh, if you see a terrorist, shoot for the head, especially between the eyes. Remember Democrats are not terrorists, just full of their stupid self.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:14 amFirst 2 center mass, 3rd in the head.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:23 am165. You don’t practice enough. During “zombie culls” you have to put 2 kill shots through the brain case with a .22LR to clear that bay and go on to the next course of action.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:27 amPerhaps with zombies PCD, but in Nam I put two center like ropelight said. Never failed to bring the commie down.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:30 am167 and 165, Terrorists do wear body armour, I don’t carry .45 armour piercing, .45 hollow point or .45 ZombieMax like the government was buying.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:37 amLooks like our very strict gun control laws here in California prevented yet another mass killing.
MSL (a70192) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:49 amIt sounds like a tragic, unbelievable TV show but it’s real.
You could also say that about November 2008 and, most certainly, November 2012.
Mark (f713e4) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:50 am169. Gun Control laws just prevent the honest citizen from defending themselves.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:51 am“WaPo cites the Guns Are Cool website that defines mass shootings as 4 or more people shot in one event (as opposed to the FBI definition of 4 or more murdered). This definition includes terrorism but also personal disputes, gang, domestic, and police shootings.”
– DRJ
Doesn’t that seem like a more accurate definition? I mean, if I got shot and survive, I was still shot, right? So why should it be different for a group of 4 or more? And why should the motive matter when it comes to measuring the number of incidents?
Leviticus (dfc5ce) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:11 amLeviticus,
I don’t have a problem with including people who are shot rather than murdered. However, that website is crowd-sourced and is not based on FBI or other official statistics, so there is a possibility of errors. My main concern is that I don’t think it’s helpful to compare domestic violence incidents, gang shootings, and bar fights with (as this seems to be) terrorism. The victims are all dead or hurt but the similarities end there, and why just care about guns?
I think it makes more sense to look at the causes and solutions for each group. Dealing with domestic violence incidents seems completely different to me than dealing with gang shootings or terror attacks, whether they are by gun or knife or whatever.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:36 amOn this guys best day, he was a personification of the adage; I’m from the government and I’m here to screw you.
355 times ~ 4 or more shooting victims does not equal ~ 33,000 road fatalities.
I want better government screening of motor vehicle operators, starting with illegal aliens and working your way back from there. There aught to be a department.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:05 amBTW I just saw a different picture of would be EPA rep Farook from ABC news. It’s definitely the same guy from the Free Republic post, who was making $50K plus doing the brown shirt for the State of California.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:14 amBut the President JUST TODAY said we were safe from ISIS attacks!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:22 amDRJ,
I agree. I don’t really think that restricting gun ownership is the solution to this problem. But I do think it is important, for the sake of our social sobriety, to look the full cost of private gun ownership in the face on a regular basis.
I trust the State less than I trust my neighbor, so I’d rather my neighbor be armed than not (as a rule of thumb). But what in the hell is wrong with us as a society, that this keeps happening?
Leviticus (dfc5ce) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:26 amLeviticus
The country is made of sinful humans
Over 300 million of them
And a press that reports things
Unless it is something that is not convenient
Like how many were shot in gun controlled Chicago last weekend, last week, last month
And according to Obama, if you don’t like it,
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:49 amYou can move to France where such things don’t happen
I don’t really think that restricting gun ownership is the solution to this problem. But…
If you really meant what you expressed in your first sentence, there shouldn’t be a need for a “but.”
Moreover, the bigger question — certainly in this particular case and what occurred in Paris several days ago, etc, etc — is: What in the hell is wrong with Islam that this keeps happening?
Mark (74fce8) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:49 amOr maybe you could move to Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Libya,
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:51 amEtc etc
The left opened the doors of the mental wards, the media chooses to facilitate the celebrity status that is then given to the mentally ill attention seekers, a large faction of our society bathes itself in a smelly sewer of grievance and perceived victimhood and the rest of us can’t seem to put a stop to this via a national reality check.
And we’ve allowed a sizable number of people inside our borders who should’ve been stopped at the other end. We’ve asked to be “proper F’d” and we are reaping the whirlwind, so to speak.
Colonel Haiku (933076) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:53 amThe country is made of sinful humans
Beyond that, handguns weren’t necessarily any less plentiful decades ago when all the violent behavior of deranged people witnessed during the past few years or decades wasn’t quite so common. Along with that, and if anything, restrictions on guns are greater today than in the past, while social-political restrictions on “do your own thang,” “if it feels good, do it!” and “gangsta-rap behavior is hip and cool!” are much lower, if not non-existent.
Mark (74fce8) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:55 amI agree. I don’t really think that restricting gun ownership is the solution to this problem. But I do think it is important, for the sake of our social sobriety, to look the full cost of private gun ownership in the face on a regular basis.
Let’s have that conversation in tandem with a conversation centered around whether it is a good idea to continue to allow Muslim immigration into this country, seeing as how U.S.-born Muslims (and, for that matter, Muslims born in most western countries) appear to be susceptible to Jihadi recruitment.
JVW (d60453) — 12/3/2015 @ 11:03 amsomething to consider:
http://shoebat.com/2015/12/03/88800/
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 11:16 am#177, Let’s be fair and look at both sides of Leviticus’ coin: examine the full cost of eliminating private gun ownership and then compare it to the full cost of retaining gun ownership…for the sake of our social sobriety.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 11:35 amYou can have my gun until I take it back from your cold, dead fingers.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2015 @ 11:49 amOr does this sound better:
You can have my gun if you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.
Leviticus, it isn’t like these things don’t happen in other developed societies. This article looks at other OECD countries and, I believe, is the latest data for OECD countries.
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/348197-obama-said-mass-shootings-dont-happen-in-advanced-countries-like-in-us-one-chart-proves-him-wrong/
If you just compare total shooting deaths then, of course, the US has far and away the most total fatalities from mass shootings. But as the article points out there are 34 member countries of the OECD. And the US has 25% of the total population of the entire combined member population.
This year on a per capita basis France will undoubtedly rank higher than the US, which is a competition we don’t want to win.
Also, r.e. your earlier assertion that it makes more sense to count you as a statistic if you get shot and survive, actually it doesn’t. If you get shot and survive no one is going to do an autopsy on you to figure out exactly what happened. It’s not always clear-cut if you’re wounded whether you were shot or were injured by something incidental to the shooting. Perhaps you didn’t stop the bullet, it passed through and through. Hate to tell you but it might be a cops bullet, who knows? Just be thankful you didn’t stop it.
There are just too many variables. The bottom line is if you’re injured then the priority is saving your life, not gathering evidence. There are several reasons why the FBI’s definition of a mass shooting begins and ends with those killed in the shooting.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 12:33 pmI wondered about that Steve, as with the calculations about health care costs, when individual countries in Europe have 1/5 even 1/6 our populations,
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 12:57 pmI reported a coworker who said that Jews were pigs and monkeys and drank the blood of Muslim children and that the US deserved 9/11 because they stick their nose in everybody’s business. The person on the phone seemed irritated that I was calling.
Tanny O'Haley (c674c7) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:08 pmYou can have my gun if you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.
Unfortunately, I’m almost certain that Hillary! does indeed have cold, dead fingers, to match her cold, dead heart.
JVW (d60453) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:22 pmLeviticus:
I don’t know. I’m sure there are a number of reasons but let me offer one as an example: It could be something as simple as the fact that the media covers every incident and it gives people ideas.
I’m not being flippant. When I was in college in the 1970’s, the local and college papers deliberately did not publish stories regarding the many, many student suicides — even if they occurred in public — because they had learned doing so resulted in copycats. I found this out after witnessing someone jump off a building on campus and wondering why there was nothing in the local or college papers. Even way back then, the media choose not to publish these suicides because they had learned that reading about a student’s suicide was suggestive enough to make others copy it.
So maybe the cost of being informed about these incidents is that some people will, for various reasons, view them as good ideas instead of things to avoid.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:59 pmUnlike my college years, I don’t want the media to protect us from this. I want to know.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/3/2015 @ 1:59 pmYou forgot her cold, dead shark-like eyes, JVW.
As an aside it’s a complete mystery to me why Hillary! is having such trouble connecting to the average voter on a personal level. Especially now that the software engineers have vastly improved the humor and warmth algorithm.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:03 pmMost people don’t know this, but Hillary! has a third eyelid to protect her cornea from her struggling prey.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:08 pmIf Hillary! can’t consume the entire carcass of her prey in one night, she will usually cover it in leaves and keep watch on it from a perch in nearby trees.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:19 pmHillary! doesn’t have fangs to inject her venom. Rather, she must grab her prey and chew. The venom flows into the wound she inflicts from glands in the back of her mouth through grooves in her molars.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:28 pmNormally, though, her prey dies within 8 hours from the bacterial infection caused by her bite.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:29 pmFun Clinton fact! The Clintons decided to settle in Chappaqua, New York, upon leaving the White House dead broke only after failing to find more comfortable habitat for Mrs. Clinton in the fabled Chupacabra, New York.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:47 pmI would have figured it was the distended jaw that swallowed guinea pigs as with Diana,
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:54 pmguinea pig not included:
http://cultfaction.com/2014/10/13/heroes-of-cult-jane-badler/
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:56 pmAhh, but that’s only the most obvious adaptation, narciso. It’s really the more subtle ones that make Hillary! such a unique predator. She has a special valve in her throat that closes automatically so that she won’t ingest water whilst dragging her prey to the bottom in her jaws.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 2:59 pmthat was just my excuse to post a Diana pic from the 80s,
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 3:02 pmOh, sorry, narciso.
Hillary! is capable of swallowing mammals as large as a black-tailed jack rabbit whole. When she does, she coughs up the inedible parts, the fur, bones, claws, etc., back up in a compact unit the size of a quail’s egg.
If you find a number of these under a tree this is your greatest clues to determine Hillary!’s favorite perch, and perhaps could lead you to discover her leaf-covered larder of prey, which has been known to draw her out of cover and it is advised one carry a slug-loaded 10 gauge shotgun just in case.
Even a slight clawing can prove fatal if untreated, given the nearly seven decades worth of rotten flesh under her nails.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/3/2015 @ 3:14 pmI know she was the villainess,
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/672549313298481152 (ht/Bob Owens,)
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 3:32 pm