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8/9/2015

Black Lives Matter To Bernie Sanders: We Matter, You Don’t, So Shut-Up. Sanders To Black Lives Matter: Okay.

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:27 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Remember that time two white guys were heckled and booed and shut down by the Black Lives Matter crowd? Well, it’s happened again. This time to Bernie Sanders.

In an ugly confrontation at a campaign rally in Seattle, Sanders found himself aggressively confronted by two Black Lives Matter protesters who obviously don’t believe in other people’s right to free speech, and threatened to shut down the event if they didn’t get the microphone. And what did Sanders do? He did what was expected of him: he caved.

Sanders was unable to regain control of the microphone, or of the event itself.

Later in the day, Sanders spoke at the University of Washington before 12,000 supporters. He addressed the issues that were the subject of the protesters earlier in the day:

“No president will fight harder to end institutional racism and reform criminal justice system,” he said, according to The Associated Press. “Too many lives have been destroyed by [the] war on drugs, by incarceration; we need to educate people. We need to put people to work.”

There’s something funny about a poor old white guy who is confronted, verbally harassed and told to shut-up by militant blacks, and yet continues to vow to fight institutional racism…

ADDED: Commenter Beldar brings this our attention, via Althouse:

Bernie Sanders didn’t want to stand too close to Marissa Johnson, which she just might consider evidence of how racist he is … like all those other white progressives who think so well of themselves. And so Bernie couldn’t get close to the microphone, and Bernie gave up trying and left — in a white Jeep — to go to the Comet Tavern where people had paid $200 to $1,000 to hear Bernie proclaim that “When we stand together, when black and white stand together, when gay and straight stand together, when women and men stand together… when we stand together, there is nothing, nothing, that we cannot accomplish.”

–Dana

74 Responses to “Black Lives Matter To Bernie Sanders: We Matter, You Don’t, So Shut-Up. Sanders To Black Lives Matter: Okay.”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. Prof. Althouse pointed out that Sanders’ later speaking venue was before a paid — and therefore presumably more safe from hecklers — audience (ellipses and italics hers):

    Bernie Sanders didn’t want to stand too close to Marissa Johnson, which she just might consider evidence of how racist he is … like all those other white progressives who think so well of themselves. And so Bernie couldn’t get close to the microphone, and Bernie gave up trying and left — in a white Jeep — to go to the Comet Tavern where people had paid $200 to $1,000 to hear Bernie proclaim that “When we stand together, when black and white stand together, when gay and straight stand together, when women and men stand together… when we stand together, there is nothing, nothing, that we cannot accomplish.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  3. All causes are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

    Simon Jester (f60352)

  4. Yahoos like this make me understand why so many people but into the “The Police Can Do No Wrong” narrative. It’s swill, but wishing the out of control cops and these idiots on each-other is soooooo tempting.

    And I suspect that, in some quarters, that is more or less the idea.

    One day the rank-and-file blacks are going to realize just how much they have been used by people claiming to fight for “justice” in their name, and all freaking hell is going to break loose.

    I hope Al Sharpton is at the epicenter when it does.

    C. S. P. Schofield (ab2cdc)

  5. Beldar,

    Nice catch. It made me laugh. White jeep!

    I’ve added it to the post.

    Dana (86e864)

  6. Where was Hillary while all this has been going on? Strange that no BLM protests ever occur during one of her campaign events.

    John (a289ed)

  7. John,

    Hillary hasn’t steered clear of the BLM outrage, either.

    Dana (86e864)

  8. and booed and shut down by the Black Lives Matter crowd?

    That needs to be qualified with “Black LIBERAL Lives Matter.”

    Simply put, if that same crowd envisioned the life of someone like a Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell hanging by a thread, they’d say, well, dude, sorry, I have no time to save you.” A muffled “Uncle Tom [snerk]!” or “Oreo sellout [snerk]!” might also be heard coming from that same bunch of very compassionate, generous, humane leftists.

    Mark (a467c8)

  9. If you go to the 1:10 mark here, you can see Sanders respond in the moment to what happened.

    Dana (86e864)

  10. Black olives do matter!

    neighbor of kalamata (dbc370)

  11. The Democrats think they have the black vote sewed up but they may not be correct.

    “I do think that the African-American vote may be the most important demographic as it relates to the presidential race,” said Doug Thornell, a longtime Hill staffer who is now the managing partner of the high-powered Washington-based communications firm SKDKnickerbocker. Thornell warned, however, that candidates asking for the black vote will not succeed by speaking in rosy platitudes.

    “We did a poll last December in which African-Americans said that racism was the No. 1 issue in the country, ahead of the economy,” he told me. “So the critical thing for any of the candidates, Democratic or Republican, is that they’re going to have to talk about issues African-Americans really care about — things like economic opportunity, criminal-justice reform and voting rights.

    First, racism is far more prevalent on the black side than the white.

    Second, “Economic Opportunity” does not mean a $15 minimum wage. They have got to get smarter about this.

    Third, “Criminal Justice Reform” does not mean driving cops off the street,

    Finally, “Voting Rights” is not the same as vote fraud. I understand some blacks have indicated they are comfortable with voter ID. If so, they may be getting smart about this issue.

    The greatest threat to black life, aside from young black men with illegal guns, is Latino illegal aliens. They are taking the jobs that blacks need if they are going to get onto the ladder of success.

    Next, Republicans are always going to have trouble with the black vote because blacks make up a disproportionate share of government workers. If the GOP is serious about shrinking government, that is going to be a conflict from now on.

    I just don’t know how the GOP is going keep its promises about the economy and shrinking government and appeal to the middle class black voter.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  12. I’m not concerned so much at institutional racism as much as I am about people
    who make a big deal about shouting Black Lives Matter but then who do little
    or nothing about all the black lives lost in the Democrat run cities all over
    the country being taken by other blacks.

    What do they plan to do about that? Those lives being taken are not the fault
    or responsibility of the so called power structure and if they are, that power
    structure is made up of mostly black politicians.

    How do they square that?

    Black lives matter? Then show me that Blacks really care by them stopping the
    crime and the conditions that feed it. Not all the conditions that feed crime
    and murder are created by government or racism. And the solutions definitely
    can be effectuated by the community. but they refuse to do so and the black
    politicians refuse to exhort them to do so.

    Then they wonder why nothing happens. We can’t make blacks care about their
    community and take pride in it and stop criminals. The community can and it’s
    up to the community to do so. Many are in other cities.

    jakee308 (c37f85)

  13. The emperor has no clothes.

    MooseOtto (44dfde)

  14. as a strong black woman my gut tells me that a white cracker socialist like Bernie Sanders simply does NOT have the fortitude the magnanimity or the effective grasp of policies to lead us into the future to a more better America only Mr. Governor Scott Walker has the proven ability to govern in a way that gives all of us a better safer more prosperous tomorrow

    happyfeet (5546fb)

  15. I just don’t know how the GOP is going keep its promises about the economy and shrinking government and appeal to the middle class black voter.

    I’m still waiting for a politician (presumably a non-liberal one, because a typical Democrat would never admit to the following) to point out that some of the most economically and socially dysfunctional, interminably stagnant or failing sections of America are cities or communities dominated by liberals/Democrats — up to 90-plus percent — places like Detroit, Michigan, etc. I’ve yet to see that reality given even a bit of prominence or acknowledgement, certainly in most public debates.

    Mark (a467c8)

  16. Mike,

    So the very things the NYT report suggests that Democrats and Republicans need to address with the black voters, and the very things that Sanders said he was going to talk about (economic opportunity, criminal-justice reform and voting rights. ) before being booted off stage, were clearly not what black protesters wanted to hear about. So, now what?

    Dana (86e864)

  17. Sanders wants to be President? He can’t handle a pair of black women but he expects us to believe he can handle Putin? Or the mullahs? This guy’s a socialist dumbass.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  18. I am resigned to never understanding left-wingnut politics. I just want to keep it away from me.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  19. I just don’t know how the GOP is going keep its promises about the economy and shrinking government and appeal to the middle class black voter. Mike K.

    The GOP isn’t. The entire black constituency has been irredeemably ruined by the democrat party. The dems took an entire demo of America and by propaganda, manipulation, lies and bribery turned them into bought and paid for lemmings with a dash of victim sauce. No GOP’er will ever be able to crawl that low so the AA vote as well as their communities is lost.

    That said a smart operator can make a little headway into the AA community, at east those who moved beyond the victim/thug/hoodie stereotype and actually embraced the American dream. And as Mike K also pointed out blacks make up a huge part of government employment so trying to dislodge that will cause problems. But by pointing out the poor and abused state of blacks in democrat run areas we may be able to live to see the day a few crawl out of the rubble and see thee light. I hope it won’t be too late because right this very minute the democrats are busy replacing the blacks as their most valued voters. They are bringing in illegals to replace the blacks so as the blacks awaken to the screwing they’ve been getting by the dems the Hispanics will be ready to replace them.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  20. So, now what?

    Ultimately, any sane person has to throw his hands up in despair and vote with his feet and the moving van. Or a phenomenon that is as old as time.

    If anyone believes race has greater importance and meaning in the story of Sanders and “Black Lives Matter,” consider the following ongoing debacle, which although it does involve two different racial groups in a distant part of the globe is nonetheless being mirrored to a degree closer to the Americas, in Venezuela (ie, where the ultra-liberal government is now trying to seize the crops of farmers), where racial strife and differences don’t really exist, much less what happened in mostly homogenous China during the ruthless, conniving era of Mao.

    Therefore, the one commonality that ties all these different places and peoples together? The extremism, tyranny and self-destructiveness of leftists/socialists/communists.

    telegraph.co.uk, July 13, 2015: Zimbabwe’s government has for the first time suggested it may give official permission for some white farmers to stay on their land, 15 years after it sanctioned widespread land grabs that plummeted the country into an economic crisis.

    Douglas Mombeshora, the Zanu-PF Lands Minister, said provincial leaders had been asked to draw up a list of white farmers they wanted to stay on their farms deemed to be “of strategic economic importance”.

    “We have asked provinces to give us the names of white farmers they want to remain on farms so that we can give them security of tenure documents to enable them to plan their operations properly,” Mr Mombeshora said.

    Beneficiaries of the land grabs that started in 2000, mostly President Robert Mugabe’s officials and allies, will in future also have to pay a small rental per acre which will be used in part to pay compensation to evicted white farmers.

    More than 4,000 white farmers lost their land after Mr Mugabe lost a referendum to the new Movement for Democratic Change party and, in a bid to regain popularity, authorised land grabs by disaffected war veterans. Today, fewer than 300 white farmers remain on portions of their original land holdings in Zimbabwe and many of the seized farms lie fallow, meaning the former Breadbasket of Africa has to import food to feed its population.

    Mark (a467c8)

  21. I don’t think this is one of those Profiles In Courage ghost-written for JFK.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  22. SKDKnickerbocker specializes in dealing with Progressive pols and orgs….
    and currently is attempting to scrub PP.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  23. Mark, I’m trying to figure out why there is one white farmer left there let alone 300. They must be the whites willing to “play ball” with the dictator and his cronies. I don’t consider them white, I consider them red.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  24. this bernie sanders
    he will sell hisself the rope
    used to hang hisself

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. if black lives matter
    they will do world a favor
    do it Trotsky-style

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. “were clearly not what black protesters wanted to hear about. So, now what?”

    Good question. The best the GOP can hope for now, I believe, is that black turnout goes back to traditional levels.

    Second, there is a small but growing black conservative element that are open to arguments based on pure economics. Charles Payne, for example, is an example. I used to listen to a Saturday radio show he had and I didn’t know he was black until I saw him on Fox.

    I have two or three black neighbor families in “all white Orange County” who seem to be comfortable living on my small street. I haven’t talked any politics with them but I don’t talk politics with any neighbor.

    My parents were Roosevelt Democrats and all my family was. Some were upset when I cast my first vote for Nixon in 1960. I would not expect any inroads into black or Latino votes for another generation.

    Blacks have been peculiarly closed to small business, the route out of ghettos for so many minority groups. I know quite a few black doctors so there is a group with ambition and the ability. Some them predate affirmative action so that is also not the reason.

    Just as some countries have been “cursed” with natural resources, blacks have been cursed with being a protected class.

    All we can do is to keep trying to rescue the culture and here we may have allies with black churches. Abortion may be a path to cooperation here. I am pro-choice but the Planned parenthood videos are devastating. UCI got into serious trouble selling body parts from donated bodies for use in arthroscopy courses ten years ago. It is a federal crime coming from the transplantation community.

    Gay rights is also an Achilles heel with blacks.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  27. Black lives matter more to Whites than they do to other Blacks.

    ropelight (49b88d)

  28. So if Bernie is afraid of two fat chicks what’s going to happen when he confront a nuclear armed Iran. I know, I know,

    f1guyus (9cbd15)

  29. Mike K,

    It interests me that you are a pro-choice doctor. I think doctors have to put their feelings aside and do what’s best for their patients, just as lawyers have to represent people even whenthey are guilty. But what I hear you saying isn’t that you would do a medically-necessary abortion but that you believe abortion is a good policy choice.

    I don’t want to put words in your mouth but I wonder if you are concerned about the medical risks of reduced access to abortion. I ran into something similar with a pediatrician who believes vaccines are so important that he felt even immune-compromised children should be vaccinated, even though the CDC warns against it. Would you be willing to share more about your views?

    DRJ (1dff03)

  30. I’m glad DRJ asked the question. I asked last week about your pro-choice stand, especially in light of the “devastating” videos. I hope you will offer further thoughts on the issue, Mike K.

    Dana (86e864)

  31. the problem is it’s misnomer, they aren’t talking about the lives caught in the crossfire in Baltimore, New York, Chicago, et al, only about those casualties caused by law enforcement,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  32. I was a medical student in the early 60s and saw women die from botched abortions. One I will never forget was done by a UCLA medical student on his girlfriend with green soap. Green soap is liquid soap and was about the worst illegal abortion agent we saw. I wanted to write the dean of UCLA medical school.

    In 1969, right after abortion was legalized in California (before Roe v Wade) I did a few abortions. I was on GYN and they did them on GYN admitting and the residents hated it. I did a few to help out and I hated it. Soon the County hospital hired docs to do them and resident were off the hook. These were 20 week abortions and the babies looked like small infants and tried to breathe. I’ll never forget the experience.

    I remember one young woman of about 26 who was a college student and told me she had had seven abortions.

    I think it should be legal in the first trimester and after two abortions, a woman should be sterilized.

    I remember one woman I tried to convince she should have an abortion. She was dying of recurrent melanoma that I had removed about five years before. At the time I had warned her not to get pregnant as I think pregnancy stimulates melanoma. She wouldn’t have the abortion even if she died. Her OB and I watched her very carefully and did a C section as soon as the baby was viable.

    You know what ? The melanoma, which was all through her body, including her chest X-ray, disappeared. I don’t think it ever recurred. I have the story in my book.

    Anyway, I am pro-choice but dinosaur-like in what should be the restrictions.

    I operated on a baby in 1967 that weighed i pound 10 ounces. She was the smallest baby ever operated on. She went home at 4 pounds when she could turn herself over in the incubator.

    My middle daughter weighed 5 pounds when she was born. She is six feet tall. Unfortunately, she is a Democrat.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  33. If Black lives matter, why doesn’t the life of the black guy run off the road by black activists matter? I am confused.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168224/Black-Mississippi-flag-supporter-dies-traffic-accident.html

    And what the heck is with kids today? They love The Beatles and they protest exactly like their forebears 60 years go. The girl raising her fist in the midst of this plenty is pathetic. Get a life!!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  34. Dr. K., something occurred to me. Folks are generally not consistent in their viewpoints.

    Example. If we decided we could harvest stem cells from executed inmates, we would never hear the end of the charges of barbarism and inhumane treatment.

    Late stage abortions? Not so much.

    It’s all narrative, and wholly emotional.

    Simon Jester (0dd00c)

  35. Old bernie pulled a boehner.

    mg (31009b)

  36. Thank you, Mike K. I can see how that would affect your view of abortion. I am so glad you comment here.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  37. The pediatrician I mentioned above had interned in New Orleans many years ago, and he saw hundreds of poor children and teenagers die from preventable diseases because they hadn’t been vaccinated. It still affected the way he treated his patients forty years later, and I could see why. Some things have a life-long impact on us and it’s as if they just happened.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  38. If Bernie had cojones, he’d carry bear spray to every event, and use it on those attempting to take over his forum

    But he doesn’t and wouldn’t even if he could

    Wussie…

    Horatio (d01b1a)

  39. Anyway, I am pro-choice but dinosaur-like in what should be the restrictions.

    I’ve analogized a desire, mainly from folks on the right, to place restrictions (certainly far-reaching ones) on abortion with a desire, mainly from people on the left, to force integration in public schools through massive busing programs. Simply put, it won’t work, it didn’t work, it hasn’t worked.

    But if the right feels gung-ho about limiting abortions, that at least pertains to a life-or-death matter. By contrast, the left of today (eg, Obama and his minions) is desirous of dusting off not so much a failed throwback idea of the past as much as a newer version of it. Namely, the implementing of very aggressive efforts to force HUD-subsidized housing onto communities all over America, particularly in non-“diverse” neighborhoods. IOW, liberals never learn, they never give up.

    Mark (a467c8)

  40. Where was Hillary while all this has been going on? Strange that no BLM protests ever occur during one of her campaign events.
    John (a289ed) — 8/9/2015 @ 1:58 pm

    1. When was BLM founded, and why? To bus in protestors to Ferguson when the locals weren’t as loud and violent as desired.
    2. Who paid for the out of towners and their travel? George Soros
    3. Who still provides all the group’s financial support? George Soros
    and, finally:

    4. Who has given at least $1 million to a Hillary PAC already, and is the principal backer of Media Matters and Think Progress, two leftist organizations that defend Hillary from attacks?

    Hey, I’m not giving you ALL the answers.

    Estragon (ada867)

  41. If black lives don’t matter then why should white conservative lives matter? They were just explaining to bernie and his white upper class liberal supporters that they are not as important as rich white people think they are!

    not sambo (e01173)

  42. What the hell is that?

    JD (34f761)

  43. If Black lives matter, why doesn’t the life of the black guy run off the road by black activists matter? I am confused.

    And I am confused by the article repeatedly calling this an accident.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  44. Bernie Sanders is old. Few old people have any fight in them. They want peace and quiet and “daily regularity”.

    neighbor of kalamata (dbc370)

  45. Feta does that; black olives can be constipating.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. Thanks for your thoughts abortion, Mike K. My life too has spanned the before and after of Roe v. Wade too, and I knew women who had abortions when they were illegal. They were safe and uneventful but I’m sure you saw the bad cases at the hospital. So I reluctantly went along with safe, legal and rare standard because the law didn’t stop women anyway. I was a fool of course to believe that the abortion zealots would stop at that. I thought that doctors would be handling each case with the dignity and gravitas called for at such a monumental step. Instead the videos show they are filled with derision for the babies and almost a sense of glee at their terrible daily tasks.

    A nurse friend of mine at a big medical system quit her nurse anesthetist course because the nurses got stuck with all the abortions. The doctors hated doing them, so the low man on the totem had to, and she didn’t want to be the one.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  47. Mark, I’m trying to figure out why there is one white farmer left there let alone 300. They must be the whites willing to “play ball” with the dictator and his cronies. I don’t consider them white, I consider them red.
    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/9/2015 @ 4:28 pm

    Because it is their property and for most has been in their family more than a century. They are fighting for what is theirs against incredible odds and facing risk of life and limb every day, yet lowlife idiots on the internet feel free to mock them in ignorance.

    Estragon (ada867)

  48. And because it’s all they have. At least on the farm, if they stay alive they have a living. If they left they’d have to start from nothing.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  49. What I want to know is why anyone was commemorating Michael Brown’s yahrzeit. Surely by now everyone knows that he got what he deserved, and the world is a better place without him. So why would genuinely “peaceful protesters” rally for him? Have they no genuine grievances to air?

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  50. 47. 23. Mark, I’m trying to figure out why there is one white farmer left there let alone 300. They must be the whites willing to “play ball” with the dictator and his cronies. I don’t consider them white, I consider them red.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/9/2015 @ 4:28 pm

    Because it is their property and for most has been in their family more than a century. They are fighting for what is theirs against incredible odds and facing risk of life and limb every day, yet lowlife idiots on the internet feel free to mock them in ignorance.

    Estragon (ada867) — 8/10/2015 @ 1:43 am

    They’re more like bull riders, convinced they can ride it out until the bell.

    There is neither time nor space for me to go into how these people hacked their farms out of nothing. Some families had their farms for a century. Some had them since WWII, and they started with not much more than a war surplus Land Rover and a case of warm beer.

    They aren’t quitters. It’s a pleasure to hunt with them.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  51. I don’t feel sorry for white Rhodesians. They made the Boers of South Africa look like angels. Pre-revolution Rhodesia was like pre-Civil War North Carolina. The whites treated the blacks like dirt, without even the pretense of “separate development”. Mugabe was merciful to let them live.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. nk, I don’t know how to be gentle about this but you’re totally effed up. Again.

    I know some former Rhodesian special forces. Not white Rhodesians trying to rehabilitate their image.

    They made the cut, they were treated with respect.

    And Mugabe deserves to burn in h3ll.

    I bought a t-shirt in Johannesburg. On the front it had a picture of Robert Mugabe, with the inscription “Rob Mubabe!”

    On the back it said, “Before he robs you!”

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  53. …The Selous Scouts have become legendary during their short existence.(16)They basically are a 300-man tracking unit, about half African, half European, who can travel and survive in the bush for extended periods on limited rations. The Selous generally work from friendly lines forward. In pursuit of terrorists, they also radio for reinforcement, if required.

    Their selection course is rough. Every eight months, up to 400 trained soldiers may be screened to select about 100 candidates for the arduous training course. Of these, only one-sixth will complete a four-week endurance and survival course, with constant deprivation of food and sleep. Once in the unit, the men are prepared literally to follow terrorist spoor for weeks on end in all types of Rhodesian terrain while living off the land…

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  54. Next, tell me what great guys the Polizei Division of the SS were.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. It’s not often that a person can in one sentence humiliate, embarrass, berate and degrade you while at the same time showing the world how much a nasty a$$hole he can be. Estragon, congratulations you managed to take what could have been a teaching moment and turn it into a real display of intolerance and ignorance yourself.

    Did you notice how Steve57 corrected me without being a fat-a$$ed anonymous bully? Try it some time ya filthy pig. Thanks Steve57, I’ll read more about it. And Estragon, FU. If you can’t treat fellow posters with respect when you disagree with them then perhaps you should post on a leftist blog. That seems to be their standard MO.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  56. Hoagie, the white Rhodesians made themselves “indispensable” by keeping the blacks under them totally ignorant and uneducated. Like the Southern slaveowners. Mugabe thinks he “needs” them for their white man’s juju. You see it all over post-colonial Africa.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. the reaction in Seattle seems to be that MJ is a rude jerk who only speaks for her small group.

    seeRpea (348a52)

  58. 56. Did you notice how Steve57 corrected me without being a fat-a$$ed anonymous bully? Try it some time ya filthy pig. Thanks Steve57, I’ll read more about it. And Estragon, FU. If you can’t treat fellow posters with respect when you disagree with them then perhaps you should post on a leftist blog. That seems to be their standard MO.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/10/2015 @ 6:30 am

    Whatever credit there is to be distributed belongs to my dad, the Senior Chief.

    Assuming he’s looking down, he’d get a laugh. But, no, really. I learned to control my temper from him. And he was a hothead.

    You get a 17 or 18 year old and you have to make something that’s going going to be combat ready.
    Thanks, dad!

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  59. I wasn’t comparing you to a 17 year old, Hoagie.

    I was reflecting on how some of the lessons I’ve learned in life.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  60. Hoagie, the white Rhodesians made themselves “indispensable” by keeping the blacks under them totally ignorant and uneducated.

    nk, your do-gooder side may be getting the better of you, if only because of the fact that most parts of Africa where racial strife and division have never existed — but where there has been no lack of ruthless tribalism and various forms of political extremism (but mainly of the socialistic variety) — have nonetheless been a shambles in their own right.

    Your POV and sentiment would be correctly aligned if the situation in Africa were analogous to, as another example, the confiscation of agriculture land from Japanese immigrants in California.

    Mark (a467c8)

  61. telegraph.co.uk, July 13, 2015: Zimbabwe’s government has for the first time suggested it may give official permission for some white farmers to stay on their land, 15 years after it sanctioned widespread land grabs that plummeted the country into an economic crisis.

    Okay, then why “57.Hoagie, the white Rhodesians made themselves “indispensable” by…”? Are we talking Zimbabwe or Rhodesia? Obviously I don’t know much about Africa but these are two separate countries. Or are you saying these countries did the same thing regarding the whites?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  62. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/21/do-white-liberals-have-a-bernie-sanders-problem/

    Where the WaPo realizes that the liberal progressive line only has rich whites patrons who speak towards the issues and attempt to shutdown the legitimate protests about legitimate questions over liberal policy.

    Charles (674bdb)

  63. Remember how Nass and rosenberg scapegoats hatfill because of his one time tie to the selous scouts

    narciso (ee1f88)

  64. Zimbabwe was Rhodesia. It was an unrecognized state. It started out as British colony or, better said, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Cecil Rhodes’ South West Africa Company. The whites declared it an independent nation in 1965 because Britain wanted to transition it to a republic with black majority rule. No nation on Earth recognized that. Then the native population revolted, won, and renamed the place Zimbabwe.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. Well you’re leaving bishop muzorewa whose election Mugabe deligimitated.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  66. nk,

    Zimbabwe was Southern Rhodesia. Zambia was Northern Rhodesia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia_%28region%29

    JoeH (2a89bd)

  67. True enough, JoeH, but Southern Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe, called itself simply “Rhodesia” or “Republic of Rhodesia” after 1964. It is a little confusing like your link says.

    Anyway, my point is that it was basically a “company town” with white overseers and black coolies.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. There is such a stark contrast between the way Bernie handled this situation, and the way Ted Cruz handled the code pink hecklers.

    I think the answer is clear as to which better displays the character of leadership.

    Fangbeer (f2e935)

  69. Here’s a liberal take on the situation:

    http://gawker.com/dont-piss-on-your-best-friend-1723074461

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  70. Busy and traveling, no time to read everything,
    but I saw a “Bernie 2016” bumper sticker on the PA turnpike yesterday.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  71. but I saw a “Bernie 2016″ bumper sticker on the PA turnpike yesterday.

    Hopefully on the pancaked dumbsh*t who was wearing it…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. Hillary refuses to take questions from anyone, Bernie is intimidated at his own rally, and Trump can’t stop whining on Twitter about a debate. Democrats, socialists, and Democrats pretending to be Republicans are really pathetic.

    tops116 (d094f8)


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